Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi,

Am 07.02.2011 06:45, schrieb NoOp:

> Stephan, I wasn't defending the extension issues... I filed the issue of
> not being able to import EPS graphics back in 2008:
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=90739
> [* Summary:   PDF Import not importing eps graphic]

> I was merely pointing out that the extension has limitations.

>> This makes it practically impossible to just do a minor rephrasing
>> of the text, which would be a very common task:
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/56838/materialliste.pdf
> 
> No argument there. As I said "but apparently it is what it is."
> 
> File a bug and/or:
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport
> "To further improve this extension, please continue sending us feedback
> at d...@graphics.openoffice.org."

Well, I *did* file the bug
(http://de.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=94306).

;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi,

Am 07.02.2011 01:01, schrieb Michel Gagnon:

> One option I find *very* interesting is the hybrid PDF format.

I agree 100%.

But the naming of the PDF import extension and the way it has been
promoted by OOo marketing makes people beleive, that they can just
open any PDF file for editing. This creates disappointment, which
IMO is bad.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Sigrid Carrera]

Hi Tom, 

On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 00:08:38 + (GMT)
Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hybrid?  How do you access that?

You need to have the PDF-Import Extension installed. Once you've done this, you 
can choose to save in the "hybrid" format, which includes the PDF and the .odt 
version of your file. 

HTH

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Tom Davies]

Hybrid?  How do you access that?
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Michel Gagnon 
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 7 February, 2011 0:01:02
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

Le 2011-02-06 09:21, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
> 
> Le 06/02/2011 14:40, Stefan Weigel a écrit :
>> 
>> PDF file format by it´s definition is not meant to open it for
>> reediting. IMO the PDF import function should have never been
>> introduced to OOo/LO at all.
> 
> I, for one, appreciate the pdf import thingy. But I'd say its purpose is more 
> a 
>tool to help changing small bits than anything else. One shouldn't use it for 
>mass changes.
> 

One option I find *very* interesting is the hybrid PDF format. It allows me to 
distribute files in PDF format for everyone, yet at the same time allow the few 
who want to edit them to do so without having to post two different file 
formats.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Michel Gagnon]

Le 2011-02-06 09:21, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :


Le 06/02/2011 14:40, Stefan Weigel a écrit :


PDF file format by it´s definition is not meant to open it for
reediting. IMO the PDF import function should have never been
introduced to OOo/LO at all.


I, for one, appreciate the pdf import thingy. But I'd say its purpose 
is more a tool to help changing small bits than anything else. One 
shouldn't use it for mass changes.




One option I find *very* interesting is the hybrid PDF format. It allows 
me to distribute files in PDF format for everyone, yet at the same time 
allow the few who want to edit them to do so without having to post two 
different file formats.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 06/02/2011 14:40, Stefan Weigel a écrit :


PDF file format by it´s definition is not meant to open it for
reediting. IMO the PDF import function should have never been
introduced to OOo/LO at all.


I, for one, appreciate the pdf import thingy. But I'd say its purpose is 
more a tool to help changing small bits than anything else. One 
shouldn't use it for mass changes.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi Glenn,

Am 06.02.2011 14:04, schrieb Glenn:

> If LibrO is based on OOo why does LibrO have these problems?

You will encounter the same problems with OOo.

These problems are not related to LibreOffice nor to OOo. PDF Import
is an extension from Oracle. You should direct your complaints to
the author of the extension, which is Oracle.

> My complaint is not with all of the problems cited here. However,
> what about PDF compatibility? This is critical.

PDF compatibility of OOo/LO is excellent. You can perfectly create
PDF files.

PDF file format by it´s definition is not meant to open it for
reediting. IMO the PDF import function should have never been
introduced to OOo/LO at all.

Stefan


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Glenn]

If LibrO is based on OOo why does LibrO have these problems?  My problem is 
using PDF files with LibrO as noted below.

I DO appreciate the efforts of the LibrO free developers, but can anyone fix 
these basic problems?

My complaint is not with all of the problems cited here. However, what about 
PDF compatibility?
This is critical.

On Feb 6, 2011, at 2:36 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote:

> Hi again,
> 
> Am 06.02.2011 02:07, schrieb NoOp:
>> On 02/05/2011 01:46 PM, Raffaele Mancuso wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Not supported:
>> 
>>* Native PDF forms
>>* Proper paragraphs
>>* Processing layout of LaTeX PDF
>>* Import of complex vector graphics elements
>>* Conversion of tables
>>* Import of EPS graphics
>>* RTL (right-to-left) text/font support
>> 
>> I know that doesn't help... but apparently it is what it is.
> 
> Does this disclaimer also cover the problem, that in many cases you
> get each single character as a separate object? I don´t think so.
> 
> This makes it practically impossible to just do a minor rephrasing
> of the text, which would be a very common task:
> 
> http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/56838/materialliste.pdf
> 
> Stefan
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi again,

Am 06.02.2011 02:07, schrieb NoOp:
> On 02/05/2011 01:46 PM, Raffaele Mancuso wrote:

> 
> Not supported:
> 
> * Native PDF forms
> * Proper paragraphs
> * Processing layout of LaTeX PDF
> * Import of complex vector graphics elements
> * Conversion of tables
> * Import of EPS graphics
> * RTL (right-to-left) text/font support
> 
> I know that doesn't help... but apparently it is what it is.

Does this disclaimer also cover the problem, that in many cases you
get each single character as a separate object? I don´t think so.

This makes it practically impossible to just do a minor rephrasing
of the text, which would be a very common task:

http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/56838/materialliste.pdf

Stefan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi Raffaele,

Am 05.02.2011 22:46, schrieb Raffaele Mancuso:

> Here is the screenshot of the pdf showing in LibreOffice:
> http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5357/pdfinlibreoffice.png
> Here is it in okular (as it should be):
> http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7338/pdfinokular.png
> Here is the pdf: http://www.box.net/shared/pxiql9ux87

I do confirm the problem with LO 3.3 PDF Import Extension 1.0.4 on
Ubuntu Linux 10.10

Similar problems to those examples in issue 94306

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi,

Am 05.02.2011 21:55, schrieb NoOp:

BTW, what´s your name, NoOp?

> On 02/05/2011 11:39 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote:

>> http://de.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=94306

> Which version of PDF import are you using? I just updated to 1.0.4
> (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/pdfimport)

Ok. LibreOffice 3.3 comes with PDF Import 1.0.3, but I also just
updated to 1.0.4 and I still encounter lots of problems on my Ubuntu
Linux machine.

> and the
> results are pretty good with the ga.pdf listed in that bug:
> http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/56834/GA.pdf

Try the other Bugdocs. ;-)

For example:

http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/56838/materialliste.pdf

Stefan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [bug] wrong import of pdf file

[Raffaele Mancuso]

I cannot update the pdfimport extention from the link you gave me. I have
downloaded the extention for linux x86, open it and a message box appear
saying that "the extention does not work in this computer".

Here is the screenshot of the pdf showing in LibreOffice:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5357/pdfinlibreoffice.png
Here is it in okular (as it should be):
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7338/pdfinokular.png
Here is the pdf: http://www.box.net/shared/pxiql9ux87



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