Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing
Nino Novak wrote: > Am 14.08.2013 18:39, schrieb Dave Barton: >> Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: >>> On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote: 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server is at best unreliable and frequently times out. >>> oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with >>> no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to >>> this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is >>> maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it. > so this looks to me like people have contributed to a site which took > their knowledge but later did (or does) not present it back to the > public in a satisfactory way. Based on my years of experience as a user of the site, I seriously doubt that this was/is the owner's intention. > Two thoughts: > > 1 - Does the owner sufficently understand the public need for high > availability of the forum's content? I am convinced that he does. The problem appears to be twofold: 1. His personal workload prevents him from giving sufficient attention to server administration and spam elimination. 2. His reluctance to accept much (if any) outside assistance. > 2 - How is the forum's content licenced? I have never found any notice on the site to indicate what the content licence is. IANAL, but the absence of such I notice and no mention of content licensing in the "Registration Agreement Terms", would lead me to believe the content is public domain, just like this email. > Nino The good news is that the site is currently accessible, albeit with the usual amount of spam adorning the main page. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing
Hi :) +1 I've not been a long term user (or contributor) of the site but i agree with Dave Barton about this. Maybe if a one or 2 of us could approach the owner? Let him know there might be a way for him to retain control but also make it easier for him to manage? It sounds like a simple day-to-day chore took down the website and that could be taken care of by someone or some organisation he could delegate that sort of thing too? Regards from Tom :) > > From: Dave Barton >To: users@global.libreoffice.org >Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 12:40 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing > > >Nino Novak wrote: >> Am 14.08.2013 18:39, schrieb Dave Barton: >>> Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: >>>> On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote: >>>>> 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was >>>>> referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server >>>>> is at best unreliable and frequently times out. >>>> oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with >>>> no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to >>>> this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is >>>> maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it. >> so this looks to me like people have contributed to a site which took >> their knowledge but later did (or does) not present it back to the >> public in a satisfactory way. > >Based on my years of experience as a user of the site, I seriously doubt >that this was/is the owner's intention. > >> Two thoughts: >> >> 1 - Does the owner sufficently understand the public need for high >> availability of the forum's content? > >I am convinced that he does. The problem appears to be twofold: > 1. His personal workload prevents him from giving sufficient attention >to server administration and spam elimination. > 2. His reluctance to accept much (if any) outside assistance. > >> 2 - How is the forum's content licenced? > >I have never found any notice on the site to indicate what the content >licence is. IANAL, but the absence of such I notice and no mention of >content licensing in the "Registration Agreement Terms", would lead me >to believe the content is public domain, just like this email. > >> Nino > >The good news is that the site is currently accessible, albeit with the >usual amount of spam adorning the main page. > >Dave > > > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing
He is surely renting hosting space from some company, and surely they possibly have the means to assist in the day to day maintenance, i.e fixing common issues, running tasks and housekeeping not involved in probing into restricted parts of the web pages, flagging him of web issues, which he deems private (only he can access and work with) content, issues such as spam, and blocking it. Really, so easy to resolve even if one does not have time for a supposedly public web space. Andrew Brown On 15/08/2013 02:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I've not been a long term user (or contributor) of the site but i agree with Dave Barton about this. Maybe if a one or 2 of us could approach the owner? Let him know there might be a way for him to retain control but also make it easier for him to manage? It sounds like a simple day-to-day chore took down the website and that could be taken care of by someone or some organisation he could delegate that sort of thing too? Regards from Tom :) From: Dave Barton To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 12:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing Nino Novak wrote: Am 14.08.2013 18:39, schrieb Dave Barton: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote: 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server is at best unreliable and frequently times out. oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it. so this looks to me like people have contributed to a site which took their knowledge but later did (or does) not present it back to the public in a satisfactory way. Based on my years of experience as a user of the site, I seriously doubt that this was/is the owner's intention. Two thoughts: 1 - Does the owner sufficently understand the public need for high availability of the forum's content? I am convinced that he does. The problem appears to be twofold: 1. His personal workload prevents him from giving sufficient attention to server administration and spam elimination. 2. His reluctance to accept much (if any) outside assistance. 2 - How is the forum's content licenced? I have never found any notice on the site to indicate what the content licence is. IANAL, but the absence of such I notice and no mention of content licensing in the "Registration Agreement Terms", would lead me to believe the content is public domain, just like this email. Nino The good news is that the site is currently accessible, albeit with the usual amount of spam adorning the main page. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing
Right on the money I believe... Step 1: formulate a proposal that allows the current owner to retain his emotional attachment to the site and yet still allows others to participate in the process. Step 2: ask him. I am more than happy to do that, but, I lack the skills or time be a real system administrator. So, I suppose that we would also need to have people who would be willing to help with that. The current forum uses a very old version of the software, would be nice to bring it up to date. On 08/15/2013 08:00 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 I've not been a long term user (or contributor) of the site but i agree with Dave Barton about this. Maybe if a one or 2 of us could approach the owner? Let him know there might be a way for him to retain control but also make it easier for him to manage? It sounds like a simple day-to-day chore took down the website and that could be taken care of by someone or some organisation he could delegate that sort of thing too? Regards from Tom :) From: Dave Barton To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 12:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] shifting focus to licencing Nino Novak wrote: Am 14.08.2013 18:39, schrieb Dave Barton: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 08/13/2013 02:32 AM, Dave Barton wrote: 1. http://www.oooforum.org The independent "unofficial" one Jim was referring to. For reasons nobody has been able to explain, their server is at best unreliable and frequently times out. oooforum was setup and is controlled by a single very busy person with no help from anyone else in any way. So, it uses resources available to this person and is maintained by this person. The other forum is maintained by a group of volunteers so there are more people to fix it. so this looks to me like people have contributed to a site which took their knowledge but later did (or does) not present it back to the public in a satisfactory way. Based on my years of experience as a user of the site, I seriously doubt that this was/is the owner's intention. Two thoughts: 1 - Does the owner sufficently understand the public need for high availability of the forum's content? I am convinced that he does. The problem appears to be twofold: 1. His personal workload prevents him from giving sufficient attention to server administration and spam elimination. 2. His reluctance to accept much (if any) outside assistance. 2 - How is the forum's content licenced? I have never found any notice on the site to indicate what the content licence is. IANAL, but the absence of such I notice and no mention of content licensing in the "Registration Agreement Terms", would lead me to believe the content is public domain, just like this email. Nino The good news is that the site is currently accessible, albeit with the usual amount of spam adorning the main page. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted