Re: Fedora 13 feature list seems kind of thin ?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 17:37:27 -0700,
  Linuxguy123  wrote:
 
> We finally got a 2.6.32 kernel in F12 the other day.  Will F13 have a
> 2.6.33 ?

Yes, F13 is already using 2.6.33. Rawhide is getting 2.6.34.

> Not much else ?   Is there stuff going in that isn't listed ?

Nouveau 3d should at least be able as experimental.
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Re: message during the cleanup during yum update

[Les]

I know it is bad form to reply to my own message, but I continued by
looking with my friend Google and discovered that people already are on
the track of this thing and a fix is apparently eminent.

Thank you Fedora team.  Ignore my occasional (well maybe too frequent)
panic attacks.

Regards,
Les H

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 21:06 -0800, Les wrote:
> Hi, everyone, 
>   I received the following messages tonight when updating.  Can anyone
> tell me what I need to do about this?
> 
> groupdel: group 'saslauth' does not exist
> Non-fatal POSTUN scriptlet failure in rpm package cyrus-sasl
>   Cleanup: abrt-desktop-1.0.7-1.fc12.i686
> 124/160 
> warning: %postun(cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-4.fc12.i686) scriptlet failed, exit
> status 6
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Les H
> 


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Re: message during the cleanup during yum update

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 03/11/2010 11:06 PM, Les wrote:
>   I received the following messages tonight when updating.  Can anyone
> tell me what I need to do about this?
>

You can ignore it. See[1].

[1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-March/133163.html
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message during the cleanup during yum update

[Les]

Hi, everyone, 
I received the following messages tonight when updating.  Can anyone
tell me what I need to do about this?

groupdel: group 'saslauth' does not exist
Non-fatal POSTUN scriptlet failure in rpm package cyrus-sasl
  Cleanup: abrt-desktop-1.0.7-1.fc12.i686
124/160 
warning: %postun(cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-4.fc12.i686) scriptlet failed, exit
status 6


Regards,
Les H

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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 22:09 -0600, Rick Sewill wrote:
> Did they move /var/named to /var/www/named?

nope... pebkac ;-)

Craig


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Broadcom Wireless Gone

[Fedora User]

I just noticed that my wireless (which has been working flawlessly
since installing F12) is no longer available. NM has wireless grayed
out as "disabled."

I uninstalled and re-installed kmod-wl and broadcom-wl. I deleted the
connection and re-created it in the NM dialog. No joy.

I notice using iwconfig:
IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:""  
Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: Not-Associated   
  Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:24 dBm   
  Retry min limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
  Encryption key:off
  Power Managementmode:All packets received
  Link Quality=5/5  Signal level=0 dBm  Noise level=0 dBm
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

Given that NM requires an associated AP, it looks like it is not able
to negotiate WPA2.

Unfortunately, I am not sure when this occurred. 

Kernel=2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686.PAE
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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Rick Sewill]

> > 
> > /opt (and /usr/local) are likely to contain stuff that wasn't installed
> > via rpm or yum, thus needs to be preserved. That's all. YMMV.
> > 
> 
> what about /var ?
> 
> /var/www/html
> /var/www/named
> /var/lib/dhcpd
> /var/lib/imap
> /var/cache/samba
> 

Did they move /var/named to /var/www/named?
At one time I needed to do my own DNS and have a /var/named 
laying around.  I guess it depends what's in the /etc/named.conf file.

Probably all of /var/lib should be examined -- I don't know where
asterisk, mysql, or other packages keep their data.

And /var/spool/cron -- if you have any user cron jobs.

All of /var/spool should be examined for directories to back up.

And ... /sbin/ifup-local and /sbin/ifdown-local if you have those files.
Those files, if present, are referenced from files in the 
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts directory.  I'm sure there's a good
reason those files are in /sbin; I wish they were in /usr/local/sbin.

And consider /root -- it's up to you whether you want to back this up

And /boot/grub/grub.conf -- /etc/grub.conf is a symbolic link.
I dual boot so my grub.conf has other boot directives in it.

Hopefully, /etc/grub.conf is the only symbolic link to worry about.
I did "find /etc -type l" and grub.conf was the only symbolic link
pointing to something I needed to worry about.

I'd check for symbolic links in the directories you back up.

Do hard links cause backup problems?
Are there any hard links one has to worry about when doing backups?
At this moment, I can't think of any.

I haven't had to create any block or character special files in the
/dev directory in a while.  I suggest you keep a text file detailing 
any special /dev files you might have created.  I am thinking of the 
case where you are doing something with a device driver for something
that is not supported in FC12.  Hopefully, this won't apply.  
I'd keep a text file detailing anything like this in my /root.

Finally, I'd examine the sub-directories in /usr/src.
Before FC12, my webcam wasn't supported.  I kept source code
in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES for building a driver for my webcam.
You may have something in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES or 
/usr/src/redhat/RPMS that you need to add to FC12.  If possible,
keep information in a text file describing where you got the
code rather than try to back up /usr/src/redhat...but as a last
resort, be prepared to back up stuff, if necessary.

I'd actually keep a text file detailing any changes 
I make that are not part of standard Fedora.
It's easier to go to a text file where I keep a list of things from 
livnia or source files I need to get something working that isn't
supported, then to discover something is missing and have to remember 
where I got it and how I had to install it.

I'd also generate a text file, on a regular basis,
yum list all > /root/yum-list-$(date '+%Y%m%d').lst
so I have a list of Fedora packages that were in my system.


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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 22:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:54 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 20:13 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:29 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I back up all of /etc and /usr/local. Also /opt if it exists.
> > > > 
> > > > Is /opt really likely to contain some configuration information
> > > > that a reinstall wouldn't set up? ISTM that, if the system
> > > > is "modern" enough to use /opt for its install, then its config
> > > > would also be in /var. Not so?
> > > 
> > > /opt (and /usr/local) are likely to contain stuff that wasn't installed
> > > via rpm or yum, thus needs to be preserved. That's all. YMMV.
> > > 
> > 
> > what about /var ?
> > 
> > /var/www/html
> > /var/www/named
> > /var/lib/dhcpd
> > /var/lib/imap
> > /var/cache/samba
> > 
> > come immediately to my mind
> 
> I don't run public services on my personal machine so much of that
> doesn't matter to me. Plus anything with "cache" in its pathname is
> excluded by my backup script as a matter of course.
> 
> I do back up /var/log though. You never know.

yeah but if it's a samba server... unfortunate that redhat packagers
chose to use /var/cache/samba for important files

also remembered...

/var/lib/mysql
/var/lib/pgsql
(database users... not necessarily 'public' services)

Craig


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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying --[SOLVED]

[William Case]

Thank you Michael;

I have saved the remarks that you sent me for future use.  The whole
solution was contained in those notes.

For those who maybe having similar problems.

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 13:37 -0500, William Case wrote:
> Hi;
> 
> On and off for the last few years I have tried to get readline to bind
> commands as I want them but they never have. I am sure I am doing
> something stupid or mis-interpreting the manuals and all the previous
> advice I have received. I posted this problem over a week ago on the
> Fedora Forum but got nothing helpful.  So here -- slowly -- is my
> problem.
> 
Ultimately the answer was to substitute \e for \M in the 'bind' command
and/or .inputrc.  Strictly following the bash quotation rules as pointed
out got the 'bind' command working.

However, and perhaps defensively, I have to blame the bash manual
description for my difficulties.  Nowhere is there a suggestion that \e
might be substituted for \M, if \M (Alt) isn't working as the Meta key.
\M (Alt) does work as the Meta key in my Emacs.   In fact, all the
examples and cursory explanations lead one away from the e\ solution and
all the sites that I googled were substantially a repeat of the manual.

There is no explanation of what key strokes mean e.g. a meaningful
translation of "\eOd", "\e[1;5D", "\e[5D", etc. or a link or a suggested
site to find further information.  As a result I had no inkling of what
the key bindings as shown in /etc/inputrc were.

Reference to Emacs is misleading in this context.  Yes I understand what
emacs mode is, but as used in the manual I fully expected to be able to
use and/or create emacs bindings that are familiar to me.  None worked.

Thank you for the introduction to the ^V key sequence.  Where would I
find a manual description of its use?  cat -v I had never used before
and had to look it up in man cat.  It will remain part of my command
repertoire.
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Re: Problem with an external usb HD - slow usb

[Mike McCarty]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 19:24 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:

[...]

>> However, in a broader context, simply because a driver is closed
>> source and proprietary does not mean that it is of no use to anyone.
>> AIUI, nVidia provides some Linux drivers which are closed, and used
>> by people here, as an example.
> 
> I made no such generalization. You're taking a far too literal reading
> of an off-the-cuff phrase

A bald statement like "it isn't any good to anyone" might be taken to
mean "it isn't any good to anyone" by normal reading, I think. It
sounded to me like a blanket disparagement. If I misunderstood, then
sorry.

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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:54 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 20:13 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:29 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I back up all of /etc and /usr/local. Also /opt if it exists.
> > > 
> > > Is /opt really likely to contain some configuration information
> > > that a reinstall wouldn't set up? ISTM that, if the system
> > > is "modern" enough to use /opt for its install, then its config
> > > would also be in /var. Not so?
> > 
> > /opt (and /usr/local) are likely to contain stuff that wasn't installed
> > via rpm or yum, thus needs to be preserved. That's all. YMMV.
> > 
> 
> what about /var ?
> 
> /var/www/html
> /var/www/named
> /var/lib/dhcpd
> /var/lib/imap
> /var/cache/samba
> 
> come immediately to my mind

I don't run public services on my personal machine so much of that
doesn't matter to me. Plus anything with "cache" in its pathname is
excluded by my backup script as a matter of course.

I do back up /var/log though. You never know.

poc


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Re: Problem with an external usb HD - slow usb

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 19:24 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:13 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> It's likely that the disk came with a special driver for Windows,
> >>> whereas the Linux version is using a generic driver. I'd guess the
> >>> answer is probably in the Windows driver code, but of course it will be
> >>> binary and proprietary so it's of no use to anyone.
> >> Clearly it's of _some_ use to _someone_. It just isn't of use to _you_.
> > 
> > No, it's of no use to anyone using a non-Windows system. Isn't that what
> > we're talking about on this list?
> 
> Actually, my other reply wasn't quite apropos to your question in
> this exact context. This particular driver is not especially useful in
> this particular context, except as a comparison of what can be
> done using the exact same hardware. Also, people who use Fedora
> use it on dual boot systems. This echo is "Community support for
> Fedora users", some of whom are also Windows (of various versions)
> users.
> 
> Comparisons and contrasts between the performance of the identical
> same hardware using different drivers is of definite benefit for
> diagnostic purposes.

Of course. That's why I brought it up in the first place.

> However, in a broader context, simply because a driver is closed
> source and proprietary does not mean that it is of no use to anyone.
> AIUI, nVidia provides some Linux drivers which are closed, and used
> by people here, as an example.

I made no such generalization. You're taking a far too literal reading
of an off-the-cuff phrase, and missing the point I was trying to make,
to wit, that proprietary (and usually undocumented) drivers can do
anything at all and we aren't going to know about it without enormous
effort. IOW "what can be done with the exact same hardware" in practice
*cannot* be done except via the proprietary driver. The OP's question
about his disk system performance could well be unanswerable.

All this is of course completely hypothetical.

poc

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Re: Cannot Upgrade To Fedora 12 - CD not detected

[Mike McCarty]

Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Dennis Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> I am trying to upgrade to Fedora 12, but nothing works.
>> No matter what I do, system always boots to my current Fedora 11.
>>
>> I can try Fedora LiveCD, Fedora 12 ISO 1 CD, OpenSuse LiveCD, Fedora 11 CD
>> Nothing works.
> 
> Are you saying that you put in a Fedora-12 Live CD,
> but it doesn't boot?
> Maybe you need to change the boot order in the BIOS?

I concur. This certainly sounds like a BIOS issue, not Fedora.

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Re: Cannot Upgrade To Fedora 12 - CD not detected

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/11/2010 06:15 PM, Dennis Mattingly wrote:
> I am trying to upgrade to Fedora 12, but nothing works.
> No matter what I do, system always boots to my current Fedora 11.
>
> I can try Fedora LiveCD, Fedora 12 ISO 1 CD, OpenSuse LiveCD, Fedora 11 CD
> Nothing works.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.

Make sure your BIOS looks at the CD first, THEN the hard drive.  That's
the most common problem.
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Re: Cannot Upgrade To Fedora 12 - CD not detected

[Timothy Murphy]

Dennis Mattingly wrote:

> I am trying to upgrade to Fedora 12, but nothing works.
> No matter what I do, system always boots to my current Fedora 11.
> 
> I can try Fedora LiveCD, Fedora 12 ISO 1 CD, OpenSuse LiveCD, Fedora 11 CD
> Nothing works.

Are you saying that you put in a Fedora-12 Live CD,
but it doesn't boot?
Maybe you need to change the boot order in the BIOS?


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Cannot Upgrade To Fedora 12 - CD not detected

[Dennis Mattingly]

I am trying to upgrade to Fedora 12, but nothing works.
No matter what I do, system always boots to my current Fedora 11.

I can try Fedora LiveCD, Fedora 12 ISO 1 CD, OpenSuse LiveCD, Fedora 11 CD
Nothing works.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 20:13 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:29 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > 
> > > I back up all of /etc and /usr/local. Also /opt if it exists.
> > 
> > Is /opt really likely to contain some configuration information
> > that a reinstall wouldn't set up? ISTM that, if the system
> > is "modern" enough to use /opt for its install, then its config
> > would also be in /var. Not so?
> 
> /opt (and /usr/local) are likely to contain stuff that wasn't installed
> via rpm or yum, thus needs to be preserved. That's all. YMMV.
> 

what about /var ?

/var/www/html
/var/www/named
/var/lib/dhcpd
/var/lib/imap
/var/cache/samba

come immediately to my mind

Craig


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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[Michael Elkins]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 08:15:43PM -0500, William Case wrote:
> Now the question is, how do I set it up in my .inputrc?  Just try "\e
> \C-b": backward-word ? Or \e^B ?

Just put the following line in your ~/.inputrc:

"\e\C-b": backward-word

The man page says the colon *must not* have a space after the key
sequence.

> How can I test that readline is even reading my .inputrc?

$ bind -P | grep backward-word

You should see something like:

backward-word can be found on "\e\C-b", "\eb".

Note the addition of the new key binding to the stock binding of M-b.

me
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Re: Problem with an external usb HD - slow usb

[Mike McCarty]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:13 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> It's likely that the disk came with a special driver for Windows,
>>> whereas the Linux version is using a generic driver. I'd guess the
>>> answer is probably in the Windows driver code, but of course it will be
>>> binary and proprietary so it's of no use to anyone.
>> Clearly it's of _some_ use to _someone_. It just isn't of use to _you_.
> 
> No, it's of no use to anyone using a non-Windows system. Isn't that what
> we're talking about on this list?

Actually, my other reply wasn't quite apropos to your question in
this exact context. This particular driver is not especially useful in
this particular context, except as a comparison of what can be
done using the exact same hardware. Also, people who use Fedora
use it on dual boot systems. This echo is "Community support for
Fedora users", some of whom are also Windows (of various versions)
users.

Comparisons and contrasts between the performance of the identical
same hardware using different drivers is of definite benefit for
diagnostic purposes.

However, in a broader context, simply because a driver is closed
source and proprietary does not mean that it is of no use to anyone.
AIUI, nVidia provides some Linux drivers which are closed, and used
by people here, as an example.

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Re: network bridge default MTU -- apparent change

[Joe Conway]

On 03/11/2010 04:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:20:04 -0800
> Joe Conway wrote:
> 
>> So I can at least work around the issue this way after starting the VM,
>> but still don't understand the root cause.
> 
> The vnet0 may be coming from the "default" network that libvirt
> provides. If you are using bridging for everything, you can
> eradicate the default network like so:

That's the weird thing -- br0 has mtu == 576 before vnet0 even exists,
right after booting up, and even though the only existing interface
attached, eth0, has mtu == 1500.

Also worth noting is this all worked perfectly up until 2 days ago, and
the only system changes have been due to "yum update" (I looked at
/var/log/yum.log but nothing jumped out as an obvious cause).

> virsh net-destroy default
> virsh net-undefine default
> 
> Getting rid of the default also gets rid of the dnsmasq process
> libvirt starts and other cruft you don't need for pure bridging
> (like insane junk added to iptables).

Unfortunately:

virsh # net-destroy default
error: failed to get network 'default'
error: Network not found: no network with matching name 'default'

virsh # net-list
Name State  Autostart
-


(There are none listed)

Joe



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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[William Case]

Hi;
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 16:42 -0800, Michael Elkins wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 07:18:28PM -0500, William Case wrote:
> > ]$ bind "\e\C-b": backward-word
> > 
> > Tried it on a several word command line from History.  No motion.
> 
> Because of the peculiarities of shell quoting, you need to quote the
> key sequence inside single quotes because the double quotes are
> significant to bind
> 
> bind '"\e\C-b"':backward-word
> 
> Also note the lack of space around the colon when using the 'bind'
> command as opposed to putting it in ~/.inputrc.
> 

An explanation or example with the man bash bind command would be
helpful !!

Did it. Got it.  The '"\e\C-b"':backward-word
binding works.  

Now the question is, how do I set it up in my .inputrc?  Just try "\e
\C-b": backward-word ? Or \e^B ?

How can I test that readline is even reading my .inputrc?

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Re: Problem with an external usb HD - slow usb

[Mike McCarty]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:13 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> Clearly it's of _some_ use to _someone_. It just isn't of use to _you_.
> 
> No, it's of no use to anyone using a non-Windows system. Isn't that what
> we're talking about on this list?

There are those who install Windows drivers on Linux systems.

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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Mike McCarty]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:29 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> I back up all of /etc and /usr/local. Also /opt if it exists.
>> Is /opt really likely to contain some configuration information
>> that a reinstall wouldn't set up? ISTM that, if the system
>> is "modern" enough to use /opt for its install, then its config
>> would also be in /var. Not so?
> 
> /opt (and /usr/local) are likely to contain stuff that wasn't installed
> via rpm or yum, thus needs to be preserved. That's all. YMMV.

Ok, that corresponds to my thinking. So, anything in /opt either
isn't part of the *system* backup but part of the *data only*
backup, and doesn't configure the system, or if Fedora decides
to start putting some stuff in there, then I think the config
would go into /var.

That's why I listed /opt as "not necessary" for a *system only*
backup. I would put it on *data only* backups, as defined by
the OP, since it shouldn't contain any configuration data used
by the OS, as opposed to later installed stuff not necessary for
boot, mounting NFS, DHCP, SELinux setup, etc.

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Re: Nvidia problem after kernel 2.6.32.9-70.fc12 update

[Michael Hannon]

Howdy.  Just to add my $0.02, we've got a couple of dual-monitor systems around 
here, both running Fedora 12, 64-bit.  We're using akmod-nvidia on both 
systems, and both systems are fully patched and rebooted with the latest kernel.

Our experience is that the video works flawlessly on both systems, EXCEPT that 
only ONE monitor is recognized on each system.  I haven't tried to track this 
issue in detail, but I do know that before the recent patches -- and reboots -- 
both systems could "see" two monitors.

I note that there seems to be some activity related to nvidia in the 
"updates-testing" section of the RPMFusion site:


http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/testing/12/x86_64/repoview/index.html

so it may be that a fix is on the way.  I hope so.

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Audio skips in rhythmbox, fine in other gnome apps

[Dan Irwin]

Hello,

Is anyone else experiencing an issue where audio in rhythmbox skips
way more then it should?

For the record I don't think this is a pulseaudio issue. If I open a
folder containing mp3s in gnome, and hover my mouse cursor over a
file, the file plays flawlessly (I assume through gstreamer and
pulseaudio). Playing the same file in rhythmbox can sometimes skip.

I have also loaded up albums in vlc and played with skipping. I have
loaded up songs in the gnome movie player, again without issue.

This seems to be related to rhythmbox only, and is bloody hard to
reproduce. Sometimes songs will skip, and If i restart rhythmbox, the
same song will play without issue.

Or should I just switch to amarok or another decent player?

Cheers,

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Re: Problem with an external usb HD - slow usb

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:13 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > It's likely that the disk came with a special driver for Windows,
> > whereas the Linux version is using a generic driver. I'd guess the
> > answer is probably in the Windows driver code, but of course it will be
> > binary and proprietary so it's of no use to anyone.
> 
> Clearly it's of _some_ use to _someone_. It just isn't of use to _you_.

No, it's of no use to anyone using a non-Windows system. Isn't that what
we're talking about on this list?

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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:29 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > 
> > I back up all of /etc and /usr/local. Also /opt if it exists.
> 
> Is /opt really likely to contain some configuration information
> that a reinstall wouldn't set up? ISTM that, if the system
> is "modern" enough to use /opt for its install, then its config
> would also be in /var. Not so?

/opt (and /usr/local) are likely to contain stuff that wasn't installed
via rpm or yum, thus needs to be preserved. That's all. YMMV.

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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[Michael Elkins]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 07:18:28PM -0500, William Case wrote:
> ]$ bind "\e\C-b": backward-word
> 
> Tried it on a several word command line from History.  No motion.

Because of the peculiarities of shell quoting, you need to quote the
key sequence inside single quotes because the double quotes are
significant to bind

bind '"\e\C-b"':backward-word

Also note the lack of space around the colon when using the 'bind'
command as opposed to putting it in ~/.inputrc.

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Fedora 13 feature list seems kind of thin ?

[Linuxguy123]

Is it me or does the Fedora 13 feature list seem kind of thin for
regular desktop users ?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/FeatureList

SIPWitch looks interesting.  

We already have KDE4.4, though I am anxiously awaiting 4.4.1...

We finally got a 2.6.32 kernel in F12 the other day.  Will F13 have a
2.6.33 ?

Not much else ?   Is there stuff going in that isn't listed ?

Thanks



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Re: network bridge default MTU -- apparent change

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:20:04 -0800
Joe Conway wrote:

> So I can at least work around the issue this way after starting the VM,
> but still don't understand the root cause.

The vnet0 may be coming from the "default" network that libvirt
provides. If you are using bridging for everything, you can
eradicate the default network like so:

virsh net-destroy default
virsh net-undefine default

Getting rid of the default also gets rid of the dnsmasq process
libvirt starts and other cruft you don't need for pure bridging
(like insane junk added to iptables).
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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Mike McCarty]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> I back up all of /etc and /usr/local. Also /opt if it exists.

Is /opt really likely to contain some configuration information
that a reinstall wouldn't set up? ISTM that, if the system
is "modern" enough to use /opt for its install, then its config
would also be in /var. Not so?

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Re: network bridge default MTU -- apparent change

[Joe Conway]

On 03/11/2010 02:52 PM, Joe Conway wrote:
> On 03/11/2010 02:31 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> Check all interfaces under "ifconfig -a" and see if any of the participants 
>> in the 
>> bridge have a small MTU.  IIRC, the smallest MTU will be propagated
>> to the bridge so it doesn't overrun the least-capable interface.
> 
> # ifconfig -a
> br0   UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1
> eth0  UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> loUP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
> sit0  NOARP  MTU:1480  Metric:1
> virbr0UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> vnet0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1
> wlan0 BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> 
> I had failed to notice vnet0 before -- that seems to be the culprit! Now
> the next question is why did it change (or get added?), and how do I fix
> it? Thanks for getting me to the next step!

Interestingly after a reboot:


# brctl show
bridge name bridge id   STP enabled interfaces
br0 8000.18a9051f09f0   no  eth0

# ifconfig
br0   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1
eth0  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
loUP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1


So what is causing br0 MTU == 576 here?

Now, if I start up a VM:


# brctl show
bridge name bridge id   STP enabled interfaces
br0 8000.18a9051f09f0   no  eth0
vnet0

# ifconfig
br0   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1
eth0  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
loUP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
vnet0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1

# ifconfig vnet0 mtu 1500

# ifconfig
br0   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
eth0  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
loUP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
vnet0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1


So I can at least work around the issue this way after starting the VM,
but still don't understand the root cause.

Joe





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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[William Case]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 16:07 -0800, Michael Elkins wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 07:02:20PM -0500, William Case wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:41 -0500, William Case wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 12:58 -0800, Michael Elkins wrote:
> > > > You can verify what your own setup does by pressing ^V (or just use cat)
> > > > and pressing meta-control-b to see what the terminal is sending.
> > > 
> > > ]$ ^V then Alt-Ctrl+b returns "^["
> > > cat returns nothing.
> > Sorry Michael:
> > 
> > ]$ cat -v
> > ^[^B^C
> > 
> > When input cat -v [Enter] then Alt-Ctrl+b
> 
> Yes, so you get the same behavior as my setup where Alt-Ctrl-B ends up
> sending ESC followed by Ctrl-B (the Ctrl-C is just from you exiting the
> program).  You should be able to bind to "\e\C-b" just like I was.
> 
> The Ctrl-V trick didn't work because it only echos back the next
> character.  Since Alt-Ctrl-B is returning two keys, it only shows the
> next one, and then bash is getting the ^B,

So ...

]$ bind "\e\C-b": backward-word

Tried it on a several word command line from History.  No motion.

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Re: Problem with an external usb HD - slow usb

[Mike McCarty]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

[...]

> It's likely that the disk came with a special driver for Windows,
> whereas the Linux version is using a generic driver. I'd guess the
> answer is probably in the Windows driver code, but of course it will be
> binary and proprietary so it's of no use to anyone.

Clearly it's of _some_ use to _someone_. It just isn't of use to _you_.

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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[Michael Elkins]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 07:02:20PM -0500, William Case wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:41 -0500, William Case wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 12:58 -0800, Michael Elkins wrote:
> > > You can verify what your own setup does by pressing ^V (or just use cat)
> > > and pressing meta-control-b to see what the terminal is sending.
> > 
> > ]$ ^V then Alt-Ctrl+b returns "^["
> > cat returns nothing.
> Sorry Michael:
> 
> ]$ cat -v
> ^[^B^C
> 
> When input cat -v [Enter] then Alt-Ctrl+b

Yes, so you get the same behavior as my setup where Alt-Ctrl-B ends up
sending ESC followed by Ctrl-B (the Ctrl-C is just from you exiting the
program).  You should be able to bind to "\e\C-b" just like I was.

The Ctrl-V trick didn't work because it only echos back the next
character.  Since Alt-Ctrl-B is returning two keys, it only shows the
next one, and then bash is getting the ^B,

me
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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying -- Typo Fix

[William Case]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 19:02 -0500, William Case wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:41 -0500, William Case wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 12:58 -0800, Michael Elkins wrote:
> > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 01:37:29PM -0500, William Case wrote:
> > > > "\M-\C-b": backward-word
> > > > "\M-\C-f": forward-word
> > > 
> > > > As I say, I have tried several different versions e.g "\M-\C-b": and
> > > > "\M-\C-f: but nothing works. Even after using C-xC-r or rebooting.  (I
> > > > am familiar with emacs bindings.)
> > > 
> > > In my setup Meta-Control-B sends a two character sequence of ESC ^B.
> > > 
> > > The following seems to work:
> > > 
> > > "\e\C-b": backward-word
> > > 
> > > You can verify what your own setup does by pressing ^V (or just use cat)
> > > and pressing meta-control-b to see what the terminal is sending.
> > 
> > ]$ ^V then Alt-Ctrl+b returns "^["
> > cat returns nothing.
> Sorry Michael:
> 
Typo Fix

]$ cat -v
^[^B

When input cat -v [Enter] then Alt-Ctrl+b

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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 15:21 -0700, Stuart McGraw wrote:
> I currently backup user only my user files with the 
> understanding that if I lose important system files, 
> I will reinstall the system from distribution media.
> 
> Yesterday I had a little accident when I accidentally
> deleted an unknown number of files in /var.  But 
> since the rpm database was still intact, I was able
> to "rpm --verify" all my packages, identify those 
> with missing /var files and reinstall just those 
> rpms.
> 
> Which leads to my question...  Are there certain 
> files and directories that should be saved because
> they are unusually important and can help recover 
> from common problems, without backing up *all* the 
> system files?  In my case above, having the rpm 
> database was critical.  I backup config files in 
> /etc and elsewhere that I've modified.  Are there 
> other *really* important system files I should be 
> saving?

I back up all of /etc and /usr/local. Also /opt if it exists.

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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[William Case]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 18:41 -0500, William Case wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 12:58 -0800, Michael Elkins wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 01:37:29PM -0500, William Case wrote:
> > > "\M-\C-b": backward-word
> > > "\M-\C-f": forward-word
> > 
> > > As I say, I have tried several different versions e.g "\M-\C-b": and
> > > "\M-\C-f: but nothing works. Even after using C-xC-r or rebooting.  (I
> > > am familiar with emacs bindings.)
> > 
> > In my setup Meta-Control-B sends a two character sequence of ESC ^B.
> > 
> > The following seems to work:
> > 
> > "\e\C-b": backward-word
> > 
> > You can verify what your own setup does by pressing ^V (or just use cat)
> > and pressing meta-control-b to see what the terminal is sending.
> 
> ]$ ^V then Alt-Ctrl+b returns "^["
> cat returns nothing.
Sorry Michael:

]$ cat -v
^[^B^C

When input cat -v [Enter] then Alt-Ctrl+b

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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:41:41 -0500
William Case wrote:

> ]$ ^V then Alt-Ctrl+b returns "^["
> cat returns nothing.

Speaking of what the terminal is sending, I have indeed
often been confused by "helpful" terminal apps and
distro modified default configs that cause the terminal
apps to send totally wacky nonsense when some key is
pressed (as near as I can tell because that was the personal
preference of the maintainer and therefore everyone should
benefit from his preferences being the dedault). Often
keys you are absolutely certain will send one thing
actually send something else. I don't know if it
explains any of your problems, but it has certainly
caused me to waste lots of time in the past.
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Re: Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Mike McCarty]

Stuart McGraw wrote:

[...]

> since the rpm database was still intact, I was able
> to "rpm --verify" all my packages, identify those 
> with missing /var files and reinstall just those 
> rpms.

Congratulations on your recovery.

> Which leads to my question...  Are there certain 
> files and directories that should be saved because
> they are unusually important and can help recover 
> from common problems, without backing up *all* the 
> system files?  In my case above, having the rpm 
> database was critical.  I backup config files in 
> /etc and elsewhere that I've modified.  Are there 
> other *really* important system files I should be 
> saving?

One can argue that /etc is mandatory for any backup
which is intended to back up the system itself.

If you are comfortable with reinstall of the exact
same version of the system itself, then here are
some hints of what to back up...

Typical root level directories one might find are

/binsystem user programs, not needed
/boot   system boot programs & config, not needed
/devin modern systems, managed by udev & not needed
/etcsystem configuration, needed
/home   user data files, not needed (for the system)
/initrd system files, not needed
/libloadable libraries, not needed
/lost+found file system recovery, not needed
/media  mount points, not needed
/mntused for temp mount point, not needed
/optpossibly empty, not needed
/proc   not a real directory, not needed
/root   root's home directory, not needed
/sbin   system maintenance programs, not needed
/selinuxcontains some configuration files, needed
/sysnot a real directory, not needed
/tmpno useful information, not needed
/usrperhaps needed, if /usr/local contains stuff
/varperhaps needed

Incidentally, making a correct backup which is a true atomic event
is not something easy to do with the system in "normal operating
mode". I use single user mode, unmount all file systems (except
for / being mounted ro) and do an fsck before doing backups. I then
mount all file systems I want to back up ro (except the one to receive
the actual backup, if any) and do the backup with everything static.

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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[William Case]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 12:58 -0800, Michael Elkins wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 01:37:29PM -0500, William Case wrote:
> > "\M-\C-b": backward-word
> > "\M-\C-f": forward-word
> 
> > As I say, I have tried several different versions e.g "\M-\C-b": and
> > "\M-\C-f: but nothing works. Even after using C-xC-r or rebooting.  (I
> > am familiar with emacs bindings.)
> 
> In my setup Meta-Control-B sends a two character sequence of ESC ^B.
> 
> The following seems to work:
> 
> "\e\C-b": backward-word
> 
> You can verify what your own setup does by pressing ^V (or just use cat)
> and pressing meta-control-b to see what the terminal is sending.

]$ ^V then Alt-Ctrl+b returns "^["
cat returns nothing.


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Re: Installing on a Macbook Pro

[Chris Smart]

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Chris Smart  wrote:
> However, if you're only going to boot Fedora, then you don't need
> rEFIt. Fedora does support booting from an EFI system, maybe you
> should install with the F12 efidisk image. Perhaps something on my
> blog will help you:
>

Also, I've found that the Arch and Gentoo wikis have lots of helpful
information:

"http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Apple_Macbook";
"http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Apple_Macbook_Pro";
"http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook";

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Re: Installing on a Macbook Pro

[Chris Smart]

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Evan Klitzke  wrote:
>
> The problem that I have is that I've been using refit
> (http://refit.sourceforge.net/) as my EFI boot environment. So right
> now when I boot my computer, refit loads, and then that loads grub,
> and grub boots the kernel normally. It's my understanding that
> overwriting the OS X volume would break refit, making my computer
> unbootable.

Not quite true.. OS X sits on the second partition, the first is a
VFAT partition which holds your boot loader. Deleting the OS X
partition should not remove rEFIt.

However, if you're only going to boot Fedora, then you don't need
rEFIt. Fedora does support booting from an EFI system, maybe you
should install with the F12 efidisk image. Perhaps something on my
blog will help you:

"http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/07/23/linux-on-an-apple-xserve-efi-only-machine/";

The Macbook Pro does have MBR emulation however (unlike an Xserve), so
you *should* be able to boot with a generic MBR and use gptsync under
Fedora to write the table.. Did I say "should"?

Either way, I highly suggest that you back up your entire drive
(perhaps just a direct dd) and then experiment. You can always dd
everything back if it goes belly up..

If backing up is not an option, I have a Macbook Pro 2.1 which I can
experiment with and let you know how I go.

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Re: network bridge default MTU -- apparent change

[Joe Conway]

On 03/11/2010 02:31 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 03/11/2010 02:14 PM, Joe Conway wrote:
>> In the last few days I've noticed network connectivity issues from
>> multiple virtual machines (fedora, centos, winxp) running on a fedora 12
>> host. What seemed odd was that I could ping by host name, showing that
>> both the basic network functionality as well as DNS was working. What
>> was failing was browser access to any site outside my own subnet.
>>
>> I'm reasonably sure the issue is the MTU setting for my host bridge
>> (br0) interface. It currently shows:
>>
>> # ifconfig
>> br0   [...]
>>UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1
>>[...]
>>
>> I would have expected MTU:1500. In fact most of the examples I've found
>> show other people with br0 having MTU=1500.
>>
>> My short term workaround has been to manually set MTU to 576 in each of
>> my VMs. This works, but I'm wondering:
>>
>> 1) Have others seen this?
>> 2) Is there any way to manually increase MTU for the bridge interface?
>>
>> WRT #2, I tried:
>>
>>  ifconfig br0 mtu 1500
>>
>> and get this error:
>>
>>  SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
>>
>> I also tried adding MTU=1500 to ifcfg-br0. No joy.
>>
>> Any ideas?
> 
> "brctl show" will show how all the bridges are built.

# brctl show
bridge name bridge id   STP enabled interfaces
br0 8000.18a9051f09f0   no  eth0
vnet0
virbr0  8000.   yes

This is pretty much as I expected based on research...

> Check all interfaces under "ifconfig -a" and see if any of the participants 
> in the 
> bridge have a small MTU.  IIRC, the smallest MTU will be propagated
> to the bridge so it doesn't overrun the least-capable interface.

# ifconfig -a
br0   UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1
eth0  UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
loUP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
sit0  NOARP  MTU:1480  Metric:1
virbr0UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
vnet0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1
wlan0 BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

I had failed to notice vnet0 before -- that seems to be the culprit! Now
the next question is why did it change (or get added?), and how do I fix
it? Thanks for getting me to the next step!

Joe



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Re: Nvidia problem after kernel 2.6.32.9-70.fc12 update

[Marcel Rieux]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Dario Lesca  wrote:

> The nvidia module is missing.

I haven't updated yet because I'm still waiting for kmod-nvidia, the
module needed by the kernel for nvidia cards (proprietary driver only,
I'm not sure. I suppose so,) Now, when I do "yum update", kmod-nvidia
is still not there, the new kernel is also missing... but the kernel's
firmware and headers are there.

Once again NVIDIA drivers are creating a mess. Go to Google, enter
2.6.32.9-70 and fedora, you'll see. People with no experience give all
kind of solutions that are very unlikely to work. You just need to
wait for kmod-nvidia to arrive. And, every time you update, you have
to check if there's a kernel update and if the accompanying nvidia
module is there.
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Installing on a Macbook Pro

[Evan Klitzke]

Hi all,

I'm running Fedora 12 on an older macbook pro. For a long time I've
had a co-installation of Fedora and OS X. Since I never use OS X, I'd
like to install over the OS X partition (my plan is to try to install
the F13 alpha over the OS X partition, and keep my existing F12
installation in case something goes wrong).

The problem that I have is that I've been using refit
(http://refit.sourceforge.net/) as my EFI boot environment. So right
now when I boot my computer, refit loads, and then that loads grub,
and grub boots the kernel normally. It's my understanding that
overwriting the OS X volume would break refit, making my computer
unbootable.

It's also my understanding that:
 * GRUB 0.9x does not support EFI volumes
 * GRUB 2 supports EFI, but isn't supported by Fedora

The GRUB 2 package description specifically states:
: This is a development snapshot, and as such will not
: replace grub if you install it, but will be merely added as another
: kernel to your existing GRUB menu. Do not replace GRUB (grub
: package) with it unless you know what are you doing.

Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed? At this point I don't
care about support for OS X (or Windows), I just want to make sure
that whatever I do next I'll be able to boot an operating system after
rebooting my laptop.

Thanks.

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Re: KVM and screen savers

[William Henry]

- "François Cami"  wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:23:17 -0800
> Rick Stevens  wrote:
> 
> > On 03/11/2010 12:47 PM, François Cami wrote:
> > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:44:15 -0500 (EST)
> > > William Henry  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On my F12 laptop I experience the following issue:
> > >>
> > >> If my cursor is in a KVM instance (RHEL 5) and I leave the
> machine for a while the Fedora screen saver with lock does not kick
> in.  That is until I press CTRL-ALT to take focus from the RHEL
> instance back to my Fedora 12. Then the screen saver kicks in.
> > >>
> > >> Apart form being a little annoying it is also probably a security
> issue. If I want the screen saver to kick-in after 5 or 10 min of idle
> time and require a password it is probably NOT a good idea for the KVM
> focus to somehow override this setting.
> > >
> > > Agreed.
> > >
> > > Could you please open a bug against Fedora 12 at
> bugzilla.redhat.com?
> > > The most likely component is virt-manager judging from your
> description.
> >
> > To be honest, I don't see a disconnect on that.  If the cursor's in
> a
> > KVM window, I'd expect the main screen to remain active as it's
> being
> > used to display the KVM window.  I'd think it'd rather annoying to
> have
> > the main screen (and consequently the KVM window) go into screen
> saver
> > mode while I was working on the VM.
> 
> Except that if the host's Xorg is used to display an application like
> OpenOffice.org or Firerox, I would still expect it to lock the screen
> if there is not keyboard activity. The key is not the displaying of
> anything but the inputdev activity.
> 
> Likewise, if I am working on the VM through the host, the host will
> see keyboard or mouse events and should not enable its screensaver.
> 
> I still feel it is a bug :)

+1.

Let me be clear.  This is after there has been no activity (keyboard or mouse) 
for either the host or the guest. (I'll use the host guest terminology)

So  e.g.  I've been working in a guest and the focus is there.  I leave my 
machine and go make a cup of tea and then get interrupted with a phone call.   
I return to my machine and the screen saver with lock has not kicked in (if I 
had it enabled in the guest then the guest would have that but I'm not worried 
about that.) I decide to check email on my host and I CTRL-ALT out to the host. 
Then the screen saver and lock kicks in.  So as long as someone didn't ctrl-alt 
out they could see what's running on my desktop. (And it is also annoying to 
have the unexpected behavior of the screen saver kicking in at this time versus 
when I return from wherever.)

I think what should happen is that the host also recognizes the lack of 
activity and turns on the screen saver. Can it do that?

William  

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Re: network bridge default MTU -- apparent change

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/11/2010 02:14 PM, Joe Conway wrote:
> In the last few days I've noticed network connectivity issues from
> multiple virtual machines (fedora, centos, winxp) running on a fedora 12
> host. What seemed odd was that I could ping by host name, showing that
> both the basic network functionality as well as DNS was working. What
> was failing was browser access to any site outside my own subnet.
>
> I'm reasonably sure the issue is the MTU setting for my host bridge
> (br0) interface. It currently shows:
>
> # ifconfig
> br0   [...]
>UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1
>[...]
>
> I would have expected MTU:1500. In fact most of the examples I've found
> show other people with br0 having MTU=1500.
>
> My short term workaround has been to manually set MTU to 576 in each of
> my VMs. This works, but I'm wondering:
>
> 1) Have others seen this?
> 2) Is there any way to manually increase MTU for the bridge interface?
>
> WRT #2, I tried:
>
>  ifconfig br0 mtu 1500
>
> and get this error:
>
>  SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
>
> I also tried adding MTU=1500 to ifcfg-br0. No joy.
>
> Any ideas?

"brctl show" will show how all the bridges are built.  Check all 
interfaces under "ifconfig -a" and see if any of the participants in the 
bridge have a small MTU.  IIRC, the smallest MTU will be propagated
to the bridge so it doesn't overrun the least-capable interface.
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Re: KVM and screen savers

[François Cami]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:23:17 -0800
Rick Stevens  wrote:

> On 03/11/2010 12:47 PM, François Cami wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:44:15 -0500 (EST)
> > William Henry  wrote:
> >
> >> On my F12 laptop I experience the following issue:
> >>
> >> If my cursor is in a KVM instance (RHEL 5) and I leave the machine for a 
> >> while the Fedora screen saver with lock does not kick in.  That is until I 
> >> press CTRL-ALT to take focus from the RHEL instance back to my Fedora 12. 
> >> Then the screen saver kicks in.
> >>
> >> Apart form being a little annoying it is also probably a security issue. 
> >> If I want the screen saver to kick-in after 5 or 10 min of idle time and 
> >> require a password it is probably NOT a good idea for the KVM focus to 
> >> somehow override this setting.
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > Could you please open a bug against Fedora 12 at bugzilla.redhat.com?
> > The most likely component is virt-manager judging from your description.
> 
> To be honest, I don't see a disconnect on that.  If the cursor's in a
> KVM window, I'd expect the main screen to remain active as it's being
> used to display the KVM window.  I'd think it'd rather annoying to have
> the main screen (and consequently the KVM window) go into screen saver
> mode while I was working on the VM.

Except that if the host's Xorg is used to display an application like
OpenOffice.org or Firerox, I would still expect it to lock the screen
if there is not keyboard activity. The key is not the displaying of
anything but the inputdev activity.

Likewise, if I am working on the VM through the host, the host will
see keyboard or mouse events and should not enable its screensaver.

I still feel it is a bug :)

François
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Backup, what system files are *really* important?

[Stuart McGraw]

I currently backup user only my user files with the 
understanding that if I lose important system files, 
I will reinstall the system from distribution media.

Yesterday I had a little accident when I accidentally
deleted an unknown number of files in /var.  But 
since the rpm database was still intact, I was able
to "rpm --verify" all my packages, identify those 
with missing /var files and reinstall just those 
rpms.

Which leads to my question...  Are there certain 
files and directories that should be saved because
they are unusually important and can help recover 
from common problems, without backing up *all* the 
system files?  In my case above, having the rpm 
database was critical.  I backup config files in 
/etc and elsewhere that I've modified.  Are there 
other *really* important system files I should be 
saving?
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Re: KVM and screen savers

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/11/2010 02:00 PM, BeartoothHOS wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:44:15 -0500, William Henry wrote:
>
>> On my F12 laptop I experience the following issue:
>>
>> If my cursor is in a KVM instance (RHEL 5) and I leave the machine for a
>> while the Fedora screen saver with lock does not kick in.  That is until
>> I press CTRL-ALT to take focus from the RHEL instance back to my Fedora
>> 12. Then the screen saver kicks in.
>
>   Are you by any strange chance saying KVM as in switch, rather
> than as in virtualization??

If you read his initial post, he says "if my cursor is in a KVM
instance".  My reading is that's KVM virtualization, not a keyboard-
video-mouse switch.  Identical acronyms strike again!  :-)
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network bridge default MTU -- apparent change

[Joe Conway]

In the last few days I've noticed network connectivity issues from
multiple virtual machines (fedora, centos, winxp) running on a fedora 12
host. What seemed odd was that I could ping by host name, showing that
both the basic network functionality as well as DNS was working. What
was failing was browser access to any site outside my own subnet.

I'm reasonably sure the issue is the MTU setting for my host bridge
(br0) interface. It currently shows:

# ifconfig
br0   [...]
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST  MTU:576  Metric:1
  [...]

I would have expected MTU:1500. In fact most of the examples I've found
show other people with br0 having MTU=1500.

My short term workaround has been to manually set MTU to 576 in each of
my VMs. This works, but I'm wondering:

1) Have others seen this?
2) Is there any way to manually increase MTU for the bridge interface?

WRT #2, I tried:

ifconfig br0 mtu 1500

and get this error:

SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument

I also tried adding MTU=1500 to ifcfg-br0. No joy.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Joe



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Re: KVM and screen savers

[BeartoothHOS]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:44:15 -0500, William Henry wrote:

> On my F12 laptop I experience the following issue:
> 
> If my cursor is in a KVM instance (RHEL 5) and I leave the machine for a
> while the Fedora screen saver with lock does not kick in.  That is until
> I press CTRL-ALT to take focus from the RHEL instance back to my Fedora
> 12. Then the screen saver kicks in.

Are you by any strange chance saying KVM as in switch, rather 
than as in virtualization??
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Re: KVM and screen savers

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/11/2010 12:47 PM, François Cami wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:44:15 -0500 (EST)
> William Henry  wrote:
>
>> On my F12 laptop I experience the following issue:
>>
>> If my cursor is in a KVM instance (RHEL 5) and I leave the machine for a 
>> while the Fedora screen saver with lock does not kick in.  That is until I 
>> press CTRL-ALT to take focus from the RHEL instance back to my Fedora 12. 
>> Then the screen saver kicks in.
>>
>> Apart form being a little annoying it is also probably a security issue. If 
>> I want the screen saver to kick-in after 5 or 10 min of idle time and 
>> require a password it is probably NOT a good idea for the KVM focus to 
>> somehow override this setting.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Could you please open a bug against Fedora 12 at bugzilla.redhat.com?
> The most likely component is virt-manager judging from your description.

To be honest, I don't see a disconnect on that.  If the cursor's in a
KVM window, I'd expect the main screen to remain active as it's being
used to display the KVM window.  I'd think it'd rather annoying to have
the main screen (and consequently the KVM window) go into screen saver
mode while I was working on the VM.

I don't know that the host would (or could) know when the VM goes into
screen saver or if it'd be a "good thing" to have that propagate to the
host.  I don't use KVM or Xen for GUI-based systems generally (unless
I'm forced to fire up Winblow$ in a VM).  Most of my virtualizations are
for Linux-based servers which I run in non-GUI mode.

I can say that I've run into a similar thing using Synergy.  I have the
Synergy server (the thing that owns the keyboard and mouse) on an F11
machine, with two F12 machines as Synergy clients.  If I have the mouse
on one of the clients, the server's screen saver does kick in (in
Synergy the keyboard and mouse are shared but the display is not--
unlike KVM) so this is expected.

However, the energy saver (screen blanking) on the server doesn't occur
until I move the mouse back to the server's screen and hit a key.  I
suspect this is just the way Synergy works, rather than a bug in an
underlying library.  It's not that annoying.  I expect it.  It's just
kinda odd.

As Alice once said, "Curiouser and curiouser!"
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Re: readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[Michael Elkins]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 01:37:29PM -0500, William Case wrote:
> "\M-\C-b": backward-word
> "\M-\C-f": forward-word

> As I say, I have tried several different versions e.g "\M-\C-b": and
> "\M-\C-f: but nothing works. Even after using C-xC-r or rebooting.  (I
> am familiar with emacs bindings.)

In my setup Meta-Control-B sends a two character sequence of ESC ^B.

The following seems to work:

"\e\C-b": backward-word

You can verify what your own setup does by pressing ^V (or just use cat)
and pressing meta-control-b to see what the terminal is sending.

me
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Re: KVM and screen savers

[François Cami]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:44:15 -0500 (EST)
William Henry  wrote:

> On my F12 laptop I experience the following issue:
> 
> If my cursor is in a KVM instance (RHEL 5) and I leave the machine for a 
> while the Fedora screen saver with lock does not kick in.  That is until I 
> press CTRL-ALT to take focus from the RHEL instance back to my Fedora 12. 
> Then the screen saver kicks in.  
> 
> Apart form being a little annoying it is also probably a security issue. If I 
> want the screen saver to kick-in after 5 or 10 min of idle time and require a 
> password it is probably NOT a good idea for the KVM focus to somehow override 
> this setting.

Agreed.

Could you please open a bug against Fedora 12 at bugzilla.redhat.com?
The most likely component is virt-manager judging from your description.

Regards,

François
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Re: Fedora 12 installing

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 19:07 +, psmith wrote:
> On 11/03/10 16:01, Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 08:50 -0700, David Bartmess wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/10/2010 10:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
> >>  
> >>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Bartek   
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  What genius decided that?  Stupid.  Are you sure?  That little three-key 
>  combo has gotten me out of more than a few X-server lockups with Fedora 
>  due to misconfiguration by the installer.
> 
> 
>   
> >>> Upstream X.Org. I'm sure if you search it, you will find lots of
> >>> discusions about it. You can always switch to a terminal and kill X
> >>> manually (or just the process hanging), or you can re-enable it in an
> >>> xorg.conf if you really want to.
> >>>
> >>> -c
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Where can I find this to turn it back on? And what is the setting? I
> >> can't find an xorg.conf file anywhere on my system.
> >>  
> > 
> > well the intent is not to run with any xorg.conf at all because that
> > allows you to switch components (keyboards, mouse, monitor, videocard)
> > without any need to reconfigure.
> >
> > but if you want one, it should go where it always has gone... /etc/X11
> >
> > The argument is 'DontZap "false"'
> >
> > Section "ServerFlags"
> >  Option  "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
> >  Option  "AutoAddDevices" "true"
> >  Option  "DontZap" "false"
> > EndSection
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> try looking in
> 
> System > Preferences > Keyboard > Layouts > Layout Options > Key 
> Sequence To Kill The X Server
> 
> and ticking the little box :)

I don't use Gnome

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Re: Fedora 12 installing

[psmith]

On 11/03/10 16:01, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 08:50 -0700, David Bartmess wrote:
>
>> On 3/10/2010 10:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
>>  
>>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Bartek   
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
 What genius decided that?  Stupid.  Are you sure?  That little three-key 
 combo has gotten me out of more than a few X-server lockups with Fedora 
 due to misconfiguration by the installer.


  
>>> Upstream X.Org. I'm sure if you search it, you will find lots of
>>> discusions about it. You can always switch to a terminal and kill X
>>> manually (or just the process hanging), or you can re-enable it in an
>>> xorg.conf if you really want to.
>>>
>>> -c
>>>
>>>
>> Where can I find this to turn it back on? And what is the setting? I
>> can't find an xorg.conf file anywhere on my system.
>>  
> 
> well the intent is not to run with any xorg.conf at all because that
> allows you to switch components (keyboards, mouse, monitor, videocard)
> without any need to reconfigure.
>
> but if you want one, it should go where it always has gone... /etc/X11
>
> The argument is 'DontZap "false"'
>
> Section "ServerFlags"
>  Option  "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
>  Option  "AutoAddDevices" "true"
>  Option  "DontZap" "false"
> EndSection
>
> Craig
>
>
>
try looking in

System > Preferences > Keyboard > Layouts > Layout Options > Key 
Sequence To Kill The X Server

and ticking the little box :)


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Re: Mail Server

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 15:40 +0200, William Mungwiro wrote:
> Hi All, im running Fedora 10 and i want to configure the sending of
> email both internal and external. can anybody email me the
> instructions on how to do it at 
> mungwirowill...@gmail.com as soon as possible.

1) Fedora 10 is no longer supported. You should upgrade to F11 or F12.
2) Your Subject line mentions "mail server" but your message body says
nothing about setting up a server. It just asks about how to send mail,
which could refer to simply configuring a mail client. What exactly do
you want to do?

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Re: Problem with an external usb HD - slow usb

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 10:28 -0300, Luigi Castro Cardeles wrote:
> 2010/3/9 Roberto Ragusa :
> > Luigi Castro Cardeles wrote:
> >> 2010/3/9 Mikkel :
> >
> >>> slow speed
> >>> high speed
> >>> full speed
> >
> >> so:
> >> low-speed - uhci
> >> full-speed - ohci
> >> high-speed - ehci
> >
> > When the USB group created the 2.0 specifications it made
> > a good effort to confuse "good speed" (480Mbit/s) with
> > "awful speed" (12Mbit/s) devices, so to manage to sell
> > all the ancient stuff by putting a USB2.0 label on them.
> >
> > This thread clearly demonstrates how successful they were.
> > :-(
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> but using the same external hd on windows is faster then on linux...
> at that point, i am trying to understand that :D
> the device is: philips case sde3275fc/97
> still struggling with that.

It's likely that the disk came with a special driver for Windows,
whereas the Linux version is using a generic driver. I'd guess the
answer is probably in the Windows driver code, but of course it will be
binary and proprietary so it's of no use to anyone.

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readline + binding; still frustrated after 4 yrs of trying

[William Case]

Hi;

On and off for the last few years I have tried to get readline to bind
commands as I want them but they never have. I am sure I am doing
something stupid or mis-interpreting the manuals and all the previous
advice I have received. I posted this problem over a week ago on the
Fedora Forum but got nothing helpful.  So here -- slowly -- is my
problem.

I can find "\e-f": forward-word and "\e-b": backward-word
in /etc/inputrc and they work.

However, I find the \e- key combination a bit of a finger reach and I
use forward-word and backward-word a lot so I wanted to add a key
modifier combination that was easier. I have tried several different
versions of key binding in ~/.inputrc but nothing seems to work. Here is
the latest version of my ~/.inputrc:

# Bill's inputrc for ReadLine

# '$include' directs readline to the file
# with 'universal' settings.

$include /etc/inputrc

$if mode=emacs

"\M-\C-b": backward-word
"\M-\C-f": forward-word

$endif

As I say, I have tried several different versions e.g "\M-\C-b": and
"\M-\C-f: but nothing works. Even after using C-xC-r or rebooting.  (I
am familiar with emacs bindings.)
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I have checked that the emacs mode is on:

]$ env
...
VISUAL=emacs
GIT_EDITOR=emacs


]$ set -o (which tells me )
...
emacs on
...
vi off.

So the mode=emacs has nothing to do with the key binding problem I am
having.



For the above file:

]$ bind -P
...
backward-word can be found on "\eOd", "\e[1;5D", "\e[5D", "\eb",
"\202", ...
...
forward-word can be found on "\eOc", "\e[1;5C", "\e[5C", "\ef",
"\206".

...
__

Where do "\202" and "\206" come from and what are they. While we are at
it, where can I find a meaningful translation of "\eOd", "\e[1;5D",
"\e[5D", etc. I know what \e is but what do [, O, 1 mean? How could I
find them on a keyboard?

I have tried:
]$ bind "\C-\M-b": backward-word
and
]$ bind "\C-\M-f": forward-word

to no effect.
___

Meta (ALT) -b works (does backward-word) for some reason (as
in /etc/inputrc) but \M-\C-b doesn't.
Meta (ALT) -f gives me the window menu, as it should. I don't want to
change that. But ~/.inputrc gives me nothing with ALT(Meta)-CTRL-f. I
was kind of hoping to figure out how to substitute \M-\C- for  all or
many of the "\e" bindings on my local or users .inputrc.

Currently ]$ env doesn't show INPUTRC which should be the correct
default.

In case it is helpful, my ~/.bash_profile contains # export INPUTRC=
$HOME/.inputrc [commented out #, and in at different times].

I am currently using Fedora 12 kernel version 2.6.32.9-67.fc12.x86_64.;
but as I said I haven't been able to figure this out over several
versions. Others don't seem to be having any problem at all. I would
deeply appreciate it if someone could help me sort this out.

I am sure that the problem comes from my doing something silly or from
staring at it too long, or making it more complex than it really is; but
for now I am stumped.

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Re: Firewall config and ftp server

[Tom H]

>> To clarify, several kernels ago the IPV4 iptables was defaulted to being
>> built into the kernel so it doesn't need a modprobe or insmod.  Ditto
>> with the IPV4 conntrack (snippet of the default kernel config file):

>> CONFIG_NF_DEFRAG_IPV4=y  <<< Built into kernel
>> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4=y  <<< Built into kernel
>> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROC_COMPAT is not set
>> CONFIG_IP_NF_QUEUE=m  <<< Module
>> CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=y  <<< Built into kernel

>> So remove those items from your /etc/modprobe.conf file.  It is also not
>> necessary to modprobe things like the NAT module and such...if
>> there are rules in your iptables config that require them, they'll
>> be drug in by iptables itself.  The "modprobe"able modules can be
>> found by doing a

>> ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter

> Would you mind to tell me how to apply the following iptables module into
> FC11 System ?
> ip_nat_ftp
> ip_conntrack_ftp

It seems to me that there has been an email pointing out that
ip_conntrack_ftp has been replaced by nf_conntrack_ftp and ip_nat_ftp
by nf_nat_ftp.
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Re: Firewall config and ftp server

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/11/2010 08:17 AM, Edward. S. P. Leong wrote:
> Rick Stevens wrote:
>> On 03/09/2010 07:47 PM, NoSpaze wrote:
>>
>>> Am Dienstag, den 09.03.2010, 23:09 +0800 schrieb Edward. S. P. Leong:
>>>
 NoSpaze wrote:

> # modprobe ip_tables
> FATAL: Module ip_tables not found.
>
>>> Again: this module does not exist! Maybe ip_nat or nf_nat?
>>>
>>
>> To clarify, several kernels ago the IPV4 iptables was defaulted to being
>> built into the kernel so it doesn't need a modprobe or insmod.  Ditto
>> with the IPV4 conntrack (snippet of the default kernel config file):
>>
>> CONFIG_NF_DEFRAG_IPV4=y<<< Built into kernel
>> CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4=y<<< Built into kernel
>> # CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROC_COMPAT is not set
>> CONFIG_IP_NF_QUEUE=m<<< Module
>> CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=y<<< Built into kernel
>>
>> So remove those items from your /etc/modprobe.conf file.  It is also not
>> necessary to modprobe things like the NAT module and such...if
>> there are rules in your iptables config that require them, they'll
>> be drug in by iptables itself.  The "modprobe"able modules can be
>> found by doing a
>>
>>  ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter
>>
> Hello to you,
>
> Would you mind to tell me how to apply the following iptables module
> into FC11 System ?
>
> ip_nat_ftp
> ip_conntrack_ftp

You should just write the rules you need.  The kernel should be set up
to autoload the modules it needs to support your rules.  If you're in
doubt, use the "-m modulename" option in the rule, e.g.

... -m nf_nat_ftp -s 10.1.0.0/24 

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Re: F13 alpha rt2860 wireless problem

[fred smith]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 08:57:10AM -0800, jack craig wrote:
> On 03/11/2010 07:24 AM, fred smith wrote:
> >Trying out F13 alpha on my eeepc 901.
> >
> >In previous versions, we had to go to a 3rd-party repo to get drivers for
> >the RTA2860STA wireless chipset. But F13 seems to have at least some
> >support built in, i.e., network manager detects the wireless hotspots
> >nearby and offers them up for connection.
> >
> >however it won't actually connect. it noodles around for quite a while
> >then reports failure.
> >
> >I've tried it with several different hotspots, including my own at home
> >(to which f12 connects just fine on the same hardware) as well as two at
> >work (all are WPA or WPA2), as well as a totally open, un-encrypted
> >router at work, and it won't connect to any of them.
> >
> >Is thre some other package I need (beyond what is on the live cd)? Or is
> >this fodder for Bugzilla?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >   
> having issues with my eeepc 1000 and its rt2860, i replaced it with a 
> Intel wireless card and it
> works fine on fc12 for me.
> 
> just fyi, jackc..

well, as I said above, the rt2860 works fine in f12 too.

I booted the f13 alpha on some j-random laptop around the office (an old HP
of some sort) and wireless didn't work there either, in exactly the same way
as on my eeepc. I did a lsmod and saw some ipw2200 things there which I 
think are the wireless driver modules, so it's not working at least on those
two different types of devices, with the same symptoms in both places.

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Re: gmpc sound not working Runaway; choose mt-daapd and rhythmbox

[Wendell Nichols]

On 03/11/2010 10:27 AM, birger wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 10:13 -0700, Wendell Nichols wrote:
>
>> Auh!  I finally understand!  The people who wrote the mpd (music
>> player daemon) and the clients created a fully networked architecture
>> for playing music where the DAEMON PLAYS THE MUSIC!
>> This is not streaming media at all.  The daemon has to be on your local
>> machine which completely defeats the purpose of consolidating your music
>> on a central server.  I started all this because playing music off nfs
>> mounts caused all sorts of problems when I put my laptop on and off the
>> docking station (network interruption and nfs problems galore!).
>> I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would set out to architect
>> it this way but its usless to me :(
>>  
> In 'landscape' type offices it is ideal. Instead of everyone playing
> their own music, people forgetting to turn off the music when they go,
> etc... Set up one system with decent speakers and mpd. Then everyone can
> add music to the queue, pause it when needed (boss on the phone) and so
> on.
>
> Ideal for any setting where you want one dedicated system to power the
> music but distributed control. Not what you wanted. Wrong tool :-)
>
>
> birger
>
>
Well I went back and tried a solution that I originally rejected because 
I thought it was "clunky".. turns out I was wrong (again).
I installed mt-daapd server on my server.  Changed the mp3 dir in the 
config file to point to my music dir, and started the server.  You can 
logon to a local web page with the admin password, but its unnecessary.
Then install rhythmbox on your laptop, start it and select File->Connect 
to Daap Share.. fill in the dialog and your local daap server gets added 
to the shared tree tab.  all my music is there, and indexed FAST.
This is what I've been looking for.  I'll experiment with the playlists 
to see how convenient it is.. but its already much better than playing 
music off shares...
thnx
wcn
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Re: [389-users] Password policies and account policies with PAM

[Morris, Patrick]

Ivan Ferreira wrote:
>
> Hi everybody.
>
>  
>
> I’m testing the password policies and account lockout policies on 
> Directory Server 1.2.2.
>
>  
>
> For account lockout policies, it seems that it does not works with pam 
> authentication, for example for services like login or ssh.
>
>  
>
> If I set the account lockout on 3 failures, I can login to the system 
> after any number of failures. No relevant messages on logs.
>
>  
>
> The same for the password change after reset. It’s not required to 
> change the password.
>
>  
>
> ¿Does anybody successfully configured password and account policies 
> for OS authentication?
>
>  
>
> In /etc/ldap.conf I have:
>
>  
>
> pam_lookup_policy yes
>
>  
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

That same setting works fine for me here.
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Re: gmpc sound not working

[birger]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 10:13 -0700, Wendell Nichols wrote:
> Auh!  I finally understand!  The people who wrote the mpd (music 
> player daemon) and the clients created a fully networked architecture 
> for playing music where the DAEMON PLAYS THE MUSIC!
> This is not streaming media at all.  The daemon has to be on your local 
> machine which completely defeats the purpose of consolidating your music 
> on a central server.  I started all this because playing music off nfs 
> mounts caused all sorts of problems when I put my laptop on and off the 
> docking station (network interruption and nfs problems galore!).
> I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would set out to architect 
> it this way but its usless to me :(

In 'landscape' type offices it is ideal. Instead of everyone playing
their own music, people forgetting to turn off the music when they go,
etc... Set up one system with decent speakers and mpd. Then everyone can
add music to the queue, pause it when needed (boss on the phone) and so
on.

Ideal for any setting where you want one dedicated system to power the
music but distributed control. Not what you wanted. Wrong tool :-)


birger

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Re: gmpc sound not working

[Wendell Nichols]

On 03/11/2010 01:26 AM, NoSpaze wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 10.03.2010, 11:16 -0700 schrieb Wendell Nichols:
> ...
>
>> gmpc on my laptop.  These things come from rpmfusion.
>> Every sound application on my machine is able to make noise except
>> gmpc.
>>  
> Same here. Maybe this entry in /var/log/messages is related:
>
> Mar 11 09:15:44 rodolfoap pulseaudio[9143]: main.c: Unable to contact D-Bus: 
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: /bin/
> dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: Autolaunch error: 
> X11 initialization failed.
>
> Cheers.
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> otbits.blogspot.com / counter.li.org: #367962
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>
>
Auh!  I finally understand!  The people who wrote the mpd (music 
player daemon) and the clients created a fully networked architecture 
for playing music where the DAEMON PLAYS THE MUSIC!
This is not streaming media at all.  The daemon has to be on your local 
machine which completely defeats the purpose of consolidating your music 
on a central server.  I started all this because playing music off nfs 
mounts caused all sorts of problems when I put my laptop on and off the 
docking station (network interruption and nfs problems galore!).
I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would set out to architect 
it this way but its usless to me :(
wcn
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Re: dmidecode not working?

[Suvayu Ali]

On 11/03/10 01:06 PM, Chris Kloiber wrote:
> Let me start by saying this may or may not be a Fedora issue.
>
> I recently purchased two Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P motherboards and am
> running F12 on them. The marketing for these boards say they support
> SMBIOS 2.4 and DMI, yet dmidecode says:
>
> [r...@phoenix ~]# dmidecode
> # dmidecode 2.10
> # No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry.
>

I have the exact same Mobo, and so far I have had no issues with either 
of the NICs. I have used Fedora 10 and 11 with this board. However I 
have not checked the BIOS version with dmidecode. I have done several 
BIOS upgrades since I bought the board. Gigabyte provides binary updates 
which you can use from a USB drive. Maybe you can try that?

Sorry I can't help any more as I am 15 hrs away from my system and I 
won't be back before next week. Hopefully this was of some help.

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Re: F13 alpha rt2860 wireless problem

[jack craig]

On 03/11/2010 07:24 AM, fred smith wrote:

Trying out F13 alpha on my eeepc 901.

In previous versions, we had to go to a 3rd-party repo to get drivers for
the RTA2860STA wireless chipset. But F13 seems to have at least some
support built in, i.e., network manager detects the wireless hotspots
nearby and offers them up for connection.

however it won't actually connect. it noodles around for quite a while
then reports failure.

I've tried it with several different hotspots, including my own at home
(to which f12 connects just fine on the same hardware) as well as two at
work (all are WPA or WPA2), as well as a totally open, un-encrypted
router at work, and it won't connect to any of them.

Is thre some other package I need (beyond what is on the live cd)? Or is
this fodder for Bugzilla?

Thanks!

   
having issues with my eeepc 1000 and its rt2860, i replaced it with a 
Intel wireless card and it

works fine on fc12 for me.

just fyi, jackc..

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Re: F13 alpha rt2860 wireless problem

[Ian Malone]

On 11 March 2010 15:24, fred smith  wrote:
> Trying out F13 alpha on my eeepc 901.
>
> In previous versions, we had to go to a 3rd-party repo to get drivers for
> the RTA2860STA wireless chipset. But F13 seems to have at least some
> support built in, i.e., network manager detects the wireless hotspots
> nearby and offers them up for connection.
>
> however it won't actually connect. it noodles around for quite a while
> then reports failure.
>
> I've tried it with several different hotspots, including my own at home
> (to which f12 connects just fine on the same hardware) as well as two at
> work (all are WPA or WPA2), as well as a totally open, un-encrypted
> router at work, and it won't connect to any of them.
>
> Is thre some other package I need (beyond what is on the live cd)? Or is
> this fodder for Bugzilla?

Probably bugzilla, are you able to connect if you set up a static IP +
gateway and dns in NetworkManager?

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Re: Fedora 12 installing

[Suvayu Ali]

On 11/03/10 05:01 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 08:50 -0700, David Bartmess wrote:
>> On 3/10/2010 10:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Bartek   
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What genius decided that?  Stupid.  Are you sure?  That little three-key 
 combo has gotten me out of more than a few X-server lockups with Fedora 
 due to misconfiguration by the installer.


>>> Upstream X.Org. I'm sure if you search it, you will find lots of
>>> discusions about it. You can always switch to a terminal and kill X
>>> manually (or just the process hanging), or you can re-enable it in an
>>> xorg.conf if you really want to.
>>>
>>> -c
>>>
>> Where can I find this to turn it back on? And what is the setting? I
>> can't find an xorg.conf file anywhere on my system.
> 
> well the intent is not to run with any xorg.conf at all because that
> allows you to switch components (keyboards, mouse, monitor, videocard)
> without any need to reconfigure.
>
> but if you want one, it should go where it always has gone... /etc/X11
>
> The argument is 'DontZap "false"'
>
> Section "ServerFlags"
>  Option  "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
>  Option  "AutoAddDevices" "true"
>  Option  "DontZap" "false"
> EndSection
>
> Craig
>
>

In fedora you don't need to edit the xorg.conf to enable the old 
C-M- behaviour you need to put this in one of your login 
scripts, `setxkbmap -option -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp'.

This could be any of the boot scripts or to make the setting per-user 
put it in your ~/.bash_profile (or what ever is the profile file for 
your shell). If this doesn't work then try to specify the above 
xorg.conf solution.

This was discussed in great detail in a thread titled "3 finger salute 
gone in F11" from the 3rd week of July 2009.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Firewall config and ftp server

[Edward. S. P. Leong]

Rick Stevens wrote:

>On 03/09/2010 07:47 PM, NoSpaze wrote:
>  
>
>>Am Dienstag, den 09.03.2010, 23:09 +0800 schrieb Edward. S. P. Leong:
>>
>>
>>>NoSpaze wrote:
>>>  
>>>
# modprobe ip_tables
FATAL: Module ip_tables not found.


>>Again: this module does not exist! Maybe ip_nat or nf_nat?
>>
>>
>
>To clarify, several kernels ago the IPV4 iptables was defaulted to being
>built into the kernel so it doesn't need a modprobe or insmod.  Ditto
>with the IPV4 conntrack (snippet of the default kernel config file):
>
>CONFIG_NF_DEFRAG_IPV4=y  <<< Built into kernel
>CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4=y  <<< Built into kernel
># CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK_PROC_COMPAT is not set
>CONFIG_IP_NF_QUEUE=m  <<< Module
>CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=y  <<< Built into kernel
>
>So remove those items from your /etc/modprobe.conf file.  It is also not 
>necessary to modprobe things like the NAT module and such...if
>there are rules in your iptables config that require them, they'll
>be drug in by iptables itself.  The "modprobe"able modules can be
>found by doing a
>
>   ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter
>  
>
Hello to you,

Would you mind to tell me how to apply the following iptables module
into FC11 System ?

ip_nat_ftp
ip_conntrack_ftp

Thanks !

Edward.

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Re: Fedora 12 installing

[Aioanei Rares]

On 03/11/2010 05:59 PM, Mark wrote:

David Bartmess wrote:

On 3/10/2010 10:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
   

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Bartek   wrote:

 

What genius decided that?  Stupid.  Are you sure?  That little three-key combo 
has gotten me out of more than a few X-server lockups with Fedora due to 
misconfiguration by the installer.


   

Upstream X.Org. I'm sure if you search it, you will find lots of
discusions about it. You can always switch to a terminal and kill X
manually (or just the process hanging), or you can re-enable it in an
xorg.conf if you really want to.

-c

 

Where can I find this to turn it back on? And what is the setting? I
can't find an xorg.conf file anywhere on my system.

   
This came outta nowhere, but it looks like an opportunity to ask 
someone that may know:
*Why are all of my Linux systems full of Sony crap (files) that I 
can't delete?* Chkrootkit sez

I have the LKM Trojan, which led me to all the files. Any ideas ?
What does your rootkit problem (?) have to do with the thread's subject? 
Ideas? gparted livecd.
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Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

[Mike McCarty]

Tim wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 20:35 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote:
>> The rpms are xz compressed but the isos are not.  That is what I am
>> asking, or is it too much compression?  When is so much too much?
> 
> Generally speaking, trying to compress something that's already
> compressed doesn't gain you anything.  Often, things will get bigger
> (e.g. new archive headers will be added to the file), and you're just
> creating more decompressing work to be done.

Yes, that's correct. However, when a file has very little
actual redundancy, sometimes recompression can have a dramatic
effect. In this case, it is unlikely that attempting compression
would help.

It is provable that any lossless compression algorithm which actually
causes one file to shrink must cause some other file to grow.

> The same applies whether trying to recompress the same file twice,
> directly.  Or, trying to compress something else containing them (the
> ISO with compressed files).

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Re: Fedora 12 installing

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 08:50 -0700, David Bartmess wrote:
> On 3/10/2010 10:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Bartek  wrote:
> >
> >> What genius decided that?  Stupid.  Are you sure?  That little three-key 
> >> combo has gotten me out of more than a few X-server lockups with Fedora 
> >> due to misconfiguration by the installer.
> >>
> >>  
> > Upstream X.Org. I'm sure if you search it, you will find lots of
> > discusions about it. You can always switch to a terminal and kill X
> > manually (or just the process hanging), or you can re-enable it in an
> > xorg.conf if you really want to.
> >
> > -c
> >
> Where can I find this to turn it back on? And what is the setting? I 
> can't find an xorg.conf file anywhere on my system.

well the intent is not to run with any xorg.conf at all because that
allows you to switch components (keyboards, mouse, monitor, videocard)
without any need to reconfigure.

but if you want one, it should go where it always has gone... /etc/X11

The argument is 'DontZap "false"'

Section "ServerFlags"
Option  "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
Option  "AutoAddDevices" "true"
Option  "DontZap" "false"
EndSection

Craig


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Re: Fedora 12 installing

[Mark]

David Bartmess wrote:

On 3/10/2010 10:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
  

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Bartek  wrote:
   


What genius decided that?  Stupid.  Are you sure?  That little three-key combo 
has gotten me out of more than a few X-server lockups with Fedora due to 
misconfiguration by the installer.

 
  

Upstream X.Org. I'm sure if you search it, you will find lots of
discusions about it. You can always switch to a terminal and kill X
manually (or just the process hanging), or you can re-enable it in an
xorg.conf if you really want to.

-c
   

Where can I find this to turn it back on? And what is the setting? I 
can't find an xorg.conf file anywhere on my system.


  
This came outta nowhere, but it looks like an opportunity to ask someone 
that may know:
*Why are all of my Linux systems full of Sony crap (files) that I can't 
delete?* Chkrootkit sez

I have the LKM Trojan, which led me to all the files. Any ideas ?
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Fedora 12 installing

[Andre Robatino]

http://ryanler.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/controlaltbackspace-shortcut-does-not-restart-the-x-server-in-fedora-11/



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Re: Fedora 12 installing

[David Bartmess]

On 3/10/2010 10:43 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Bartek  wrote:
>
>> What genius decided that?  Stupid.  Are you sure?  That little three-key 
>> combo has gotten me out of more than a few X-server lockups with Fedora due 
>> to misconfiguration by the installer.
>>
>>  
> Upstream X.Org. I'm sure if you search it, you will find lots of
> discusions about it. You can always switch to a terminal and kill X
> manually (or just the process hanging), or you can re-enable it in an
> xorg.conf if you really want to.
>
> -c
>
Where can I find this to turn it back on? And what is the setting? I 
can't find an xorg.conf file anywhere on my system.

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F12: Icon position in drawers in a gnome panel changes from top after logout and relogin to buttom

[Joachim Backes]

Hi,

having the following problem: Putting a drawer into a gnome-panel, and 
then adding a custom application launcher to the drawer (icon position 
in the drawer: top). After logging out an re-logging in, the icon 
position is now: bottom of drawer.


[Remark: the app is the NX client from nomachine.com, copied from the 
Applications menu to the drawer].


Anybody made similar experiences?

Kind regards

Joachim Backes 

http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes



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Re: [389-users] slapd didn't close connection and get into CLOSE_WAIT state

[Chun Tat David Chu]

Thank you Rich, I will definitely help testing the alpha release once it is
available.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Rich Megginson  wrote:

> Chun Tat David Chu wrote:
> > Hi Rich,
> >
> > Thanks for your explanation.
> >
> > I know that #567429 is a low priority bug, but is there a time frame
> > or which version of 389-DS will have a fix for this bug?
> Probably 1.2.6 or 1.2.7 final release.  Should show up in an alpha
> release in a few weeks.
> >
> > - David
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Rich Megginson  > > wrote:
> >
> > Chun Tat David Chu wrote:
> > > Hi Rich,
> > >
> > > Just a quick question.
> > >
> > > I submitted Bugzilla ticket# 567429 for this issue.  When I
> > check the
> > > status today, I noticed that the "Blocks" field is set to 434914.
> > > When I click on 434914, it said I am not authorized to view this
> > bug.
> > It's an internal tracking bug.  It's how we target bugs for a
> > particular
> > release.  If it's blocked that means it is an internal Red Hat
> > tracker.
> > >
> > > I guess my question is what exactly does the "Blocks" field mean.
>  I
> > > clicked on "Help" on the Bugzilla page and searched for "Blocks"
> > but I
> > > cannot find a definition for it.
> > Blocks means either that the bug really does "block" or prevent
> > testing
> > or solving the bug that it blocks, or it means it is a tracking bug.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: Nvidia problem after kernel 2.6.32.9-70.fc12 update

[Dave Martin]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 09:16:55AM -0600, Andre Goree wrote:
> I am also having these issues after the recent kernel update.  I even 
> installed the up-to-date akmod-nvidia package, to no end.
> 
> I was able to boot into the previous kernel and it worked though, so 
> that is my temporary workaround until I have more time to troubleshoot 
> the issue.

I'm also having issues.  Both nouveau and the Nvidia drivers fail with
the last two kernels.  I'm back to 2.6.31.12-174.2.22.fc12.x86_64 and
nouveau.


Here's the last chunk of my Xorg.0.log file:

(--) NOUVEAU(0): Chipset: "NVIDIA NV98"
(II) Loading sub module "int10"
(II) LoadModule: "int10"
(II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libint10.so
(II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.7.5.901, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0
(II) NOUVEAU(0): Initializing int10
(II) NOUVEAU(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
(II) Loading sub module "dri"
(II) LoadModule: "dri"
(II) Reloading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
(II) NOUVEAU(0): Loaded DRI module
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:00.0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card1
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card2
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card3
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card4
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card5
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card6
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card7
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card8
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card9
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card10
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card11
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card12
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card13
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card14
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card15
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns -1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card2
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card3
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card4
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card5
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card6
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card7
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card8
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card9
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card10
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card11
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card12
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card13
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card14
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card15
(EE) [drm] drmOpen failed.
(EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] error opening the drm
(EE) NOUVEAU(0): 879: 
(II) UnloadModule: "nouveau"
(II) UnloadModule: "dri"
(II) UnloadModule: "int10"
(II) Unloading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libint10.so
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.




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F13 alpha rt2860 wireless problem

[fred smith]

Trying out F13 alpha on my eeepc 901.

In previous versions, we had to go to a 3rd-party repo to get drivers for
the RTA2860STA wireless chipset. But F13 seems to have at least some
support built in, i.e., network manager detects the wireless hotspots
nearby and offers them up for connection.

however it won't actually connect. it noodles around for quite a while
then reports failure.

I've tried it with several different hotspots, including my own at home
(to which f12 connects just fine on the same hardware) as well as two at
work (all are WPA or WPA2), as well as a totally open, un-encrypted
router at work, and it won't connect to any of them.

Is thre some other package I need (beyond what is on the live cd)? Or is
this fodder for Bugzilla?

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Help needed on wireless

[RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA]

1) I have a wireless enabled  broadband DSL modem which has four Ethernet
ports.
2) I have Wi-Fi enabled laptop running on F!2 and I want to connect the
modem through wireless connection to access the internet.
3) The modem has SSID, network authentication is WPA-PSK. I am able to see
the available wireless networks from my laptop but I am not able to connect
one.

Please advise me.

thank you.

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Re: Nvidia problem after kernel 2.6.32.9-70.fc12 update

[Andre Goree]

Doron Bar Zeev wrote:
> 
> 
> I have the same problem ( X won't startup ) with the new kernel.
> There are these lines in /var/log/messages that seem to indicate what 
> serguei wrote:
> 
> Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc kernel: NVRM: this kernel module has the version 
> 190.53.  Please
> Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc kernel: NVRM: make sure that this kernel module 
> and all NVIDIA driver
> Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc kernel: NVRM: components have the same version.
> Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc gdm-binary[3080]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display 
> lasted 0.063718 seconds
> Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc gdm-binary[3080]: WARNING: 
> GdmLocalDisplayFactory: maximum number of X display failures reached: 
> check X server log for errors
> Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc init: prefdm main process (3080) terminated with 
> status 1
> Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc init: prefdm main process ended, respawning
> Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc init: prefdm respawning too fast, stopped
> 
> isn't there another workaround without downgrading?
> 


I am also having these issues after the recent kernel update.  I even 
installed the up-to-date akmod-nvidia package, to no end.

I was able to boot into the previous kernel and it worked though, so 
that is my temporary workaround until I have more time to troubleshoot 
the issue.

Andre Goree
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Re: Nvidia problem after kernel 2.6.32.9-70.fc12 update

[Doron Bar Zeev]

I have the same problem ( X won't startup ) with the new kernel.
There are these lines in /var/log/messages that seem to indicate what
serguei wrote:

Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc kernel: NVRM: this kernel module has the version
190.53.  Please
Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc kernel: NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and
all NVIDIA driver
Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc kernel: NVRM: components have the same version.
Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc gdm-binary[3080]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display
lasted 0.063718 seconds
Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc gdm-binary[3080]: WARNING: GdmLocalDisplayFactory:
maximum number of X display failures reached: check X server log for errors
Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc init: prefdm main process (3080) terminated with
status 1
Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc init: prefdm main process ended, respawning
Mar 11 16:39:17 DoronPc init: prefdm respawning too fast, stopped

isn't there another workaround without downgrading?
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Re: Fedora 12 installing

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 21:04 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 01:44 -0500, Tom H wrote:
> > Upstream, either Xorg or Gnome. One of the reasons, IIRC, was that
> > some people are using/could use that key combo by mistake.
> 
> How?  How could you accidentally press that awkward key combination?
> 
> I could buy it if the key sequence was ALT zxc but not three keys spread
> apart like that.

actually, I've done that more than once myself because I use a KVM
switch and need to send  to my Windows system to
wake it up or log in and there have been times that I accidentally
switch to one of my Linux systems and press the combination before the
screen is fully awakened.

Craig


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Keboard defaults changing at logon time with Gnome and F12

[Leslie S Satenstein]

By default my system has F12 in english, but the only keyboard defined is 
Canada.  After every boot or logon, I find that the user's keyboard has 
reverted to USA.  I have to delete the USA entry in order to recover the 
functionality of the Canada Keyboard..  I write in French and Spanish, and 
accented characters are essential, that is why I use Canada French. 

It is with the logon screen, where defaults are shown in the bottom of the 
screen.

By the way xorg.conf shows the correct default ca(fr)




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Re: [389-users] slapd didn't close connection and get into CLOSE_WAIT state

[Rich Megginson]

Chun Tat David Chu wrote:
> Hi Rich,
>
> Thanks for your explanation.
>
> I know that #567429 is a low priority bug, but is there a time frame 
> or which version of 389-DS will have a fix for this bug?
Probably 1.2.6 or 1.2.7 final release.  Should show up in an alpha 
release in a few weeks.
>
> - David
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Rich Megginson  > wrote:
>
> Chun Tat David Chu wrote:
> > Hi Rich,
> >
> > Just a quick question.
> >
> > I submitted Bugzilla ticket# 567429 for this issue.  When I
> check the
> > status today, I noticed that the "Blocks" field is set to 434914.
> > When I click on 434914, it said I am not authorized to view this
> bug.
> It's an internal tracking bug.  It's how we target bugs for a
> particular
> release.  If it's blocked that means it is an internal Red Hat
> tracker.
> >
> > I guess my question is what exactly does the "Blocks" field mean.  I
> > clicked on "Help" on the Bugzilla page and searched for "Blocks"
> but I
> > cannot find a definition for it.
> Blocks means either that the bug really does "block" or prevent
> testing
> or solving the bug that it blocks, or it means it is a tracking bug.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
>
>
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[389-users] Password policies and account policies with PAM

[Ivan Ferreira]

Hi everybody.

I'm testing the password policies and account lockout policies on Directory 
Server 1.2.2.

For account lockout policies, it seems that it does not works with pam 
authentication, for example for services like login or ssh.

If I set the account lockout on 3 failures, I can login to the system after any 
number of failures. No relevant messages on logs.

The same for the password change after reset. It's not required to change the 
password.

¿Does anybody successfully configured password and account policies for OS 
authentication?

In /etc/ldap.conf I have:

pam_lookup_policy yes

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Wireless stopped working- F12

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
> woodson2 writes:
>
>>
>> I installed F12 around the time it was released and it picked up my
>> wireless
>> card and worked like a charm.Suddenly last week everything stopped
>> working and I receive what appears to be a driver error when wlan0 tries
>> to
>> load.
>>
>> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
>> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
>> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
>> invalid argument "if902c7885".
>>
>>
>> lspci reveals
>>
>> Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN
>> Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02)
>> Subsystem: Dell Wireless 1370 WLAN Mini-PCI Card [1028:0005]
>>
>>
>> A quick google cam of with plenty of issues related to older versions of
>> Fedora but nothing in F12..Any ideas?
>
> Did you install the latest set of updates, which included a kernel 2.6.32.
> If so, you may have a problem with the new kernel. Try booting with the
> previous kernel.

If all else fails try using the latest drivers from
compat-wireless[1], this fixed the disassociation problem and poor
signal quality with the atheros wireless chipsets for me.

Richard

[1] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download
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Re: Problem with apache virtual host in new fedora 12 installation

[Daniel J Walsh]

On 03/10/2010 07:39 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
> On 03/10/2010 06:30 PM, Richard Cahilig wrote:
>
>> Yes. The user apache able to access /home/user. I even tried to changed
>> the owership to user apache and group apache but I still have error 403.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Steven Stern
>> mailto:subscribed-li...@sterndata.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On 03/10/2010 05:25 PM, Richard Cahilig wrote:
>>  >  Its stange because I don't have any .htacces file. What I have
>>  inside my
>>  >  web directory is a single index.html file and its permission is
>>  777. The
>>  >  user home directory is already world executable by default.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >  On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Craig White
>>  mailto:craigwh...@azapple.com>
>>  >  >>
>>  wrote:
>>  >
>>  >  On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 06:55 +0800, Richard Cahilig wrote:
>>  >  >  Hi,
>>  >  >
>>  >  >  I have problem with my new apache virtual host setup in my
>>  fedora 12
>>  >  >  server. I can't access it in the browser and I am receiving
>>  error 403.
>>  >  >  Please see the error below in my error_log.
>>  >  >
>>  >  >  [Thu Mar 11 14:24:40 2010] [crit] [client 127.0.0.1]
>>  >  >  (13)Permission denied: /home/user/.htaccess
>>  pcfg_openfile:
>>  >  >  unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable
>>  >  >  [Thu Mar 11 14:24:45 2010] [crit] [client 127.0.0.1]
>>  >  >  (13)Permission denied: /home/user/.htaccess
>>  pcfg_openfile:
>>  >  >  unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable
>>  >  >  [Thu Mar 11 14:24:48 2010] [crit] [client 127.0.0.1]
>>  >  >  (13)Permission denied: /home/user/.htaccess
>>  pcfg_openfile:
>>  >  >  unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable
>>  >  >
>>  >  >  I already disabled se linux and change the ownership of the
>>  >  >  "/home/user/public_html" directory to user "user" and group
>>  "user". I
>>  >  >  also change the file permission to 777 but I'm still having
>>  error 403.
>>  >  >  Please see my virtual host config below:
>>  >  >
>>  >  >  NameVirtualHost *:80
>>  >  >  
>>  >  >  ServerAdmin r...@localhost
>>  >  >  DocumentRoot /home/user/public_html
>>  >  >  ServerName example.com
>>  
>>  >  >  ServerAlias www.example.com
>>    
>>  >  >  ErrorLog /home/user/logs/error_log
>>  >  >  CustomLog /home/user/logs/access_log common
>>  >  >  
>>  >  >  Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
>>  >  >  AllowOverride None
>>  >  >  Order allow,deny
>>  >  >  Allow from all
>>  >  >  
>>  >  >  
>>  >  >
>>  >  >  Please help me. I don't know what seems to be the problem.
>>  >  
>>  >  seems pretty clear from the error...
>>  >
>>  >  Permission denied: /home/user/.htaccess pcfg_openfile: unable
>>  to check
>>  >  htaccess file, ensure it is readable
>>  >
>>  >  Given your intention to run without any security whatsoever,
>>  you might
>>  >  as well just do...
>>  >
>>  >  chmod 777 /home/user/.htaccess
>>  >
>>  >  I hope that you don't intend to make this accessible to the
>>  Internet.
>>  >
>>  >  Craig
>>  >
>>  >
>>
>>  But is the user "apache" able to access /home/user?  Probably not.
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> Why not change the DocumentRoot to /var/www/user and give apache:user
> access to /var/www/user?
>
> mkdir /var/www/user
> chown apache:user /var/www/user
> cd /home/user
> ln -s /var/www/user pubic_html
>
> That way, the files are easily accessible to "user" and the files are
> really in a place that httpd and selinux are happy with.
>
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>
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You can also set the file context for it by using semanage fcontext

man httpd_selinux

# semanage fcontext -a -t httpd_sys_content_rw_t '/home/user(/.*)?'
# restorecon -R -v /home/user

This should set up the directory as read/writab

dmidecode not working?

[Chris Kloiber]

Let me start by saying this may or may not be a Fedora issue.

I recently purchased two Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P motherboards and am 
running F12 on them. The marketing for these boards say they support 
SMBIOS 2.4 and DMI, yet dmidecode says:


[r...@phoenix ~]# dmidecode
# dmidecode 2.10
# No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry.

What could be wrong? I've never seen a system that fails on this command 
before, and now I have two of them? They also have a problem with the 
on-board LAN and probably Firewire. Neither onboard NIC is working, the 
first shows a MAC of ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff. The other looks ok, but fails to 
work. Disabling the on-board NICs and using an off-board, PCI NIC works. 
The Firewire controller (granted I don't really use it), also identifies 
itself oddly:


firewire_ohci :06:07.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 23 (level, low) -> IRQ 23
firewire_ohci: Added fw-ohci device :06:07.0, OHCI version 1.10
firewire_core: created device fw0: GUID , S400

I suspect these are all related. Possibly a bad BIOS although both 
systems are fully updated in that respect. Anyone else have a similar issue?


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Re: aoe - with freenas, openfiler

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

> Jatin K  :
>> better luck with picking a distro and setting up RAID etc with
>> AOE...
> is this[1] what you looking for ...
> [1] http://www.lbserver.org/aoe/

Not that hard with a stock distribution:
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/553

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Re: aoe - with freenas, openfiler

[Jatin K]

On 03/11/2010 04:54 PM, Michal wrote:
> On 11/03/2010 10:54, Vadkan Jozsef wrote:
>
>> Does anybody has a link to a distro, that supports ata over ethernet,
>> and it's like: freenas, openfiler
>>
>> sorry for the "interesting question" :D:S
>>
>> thank you!
>>
>>  
> I don't...though I would be interested to hear this also. However, you
> did specify freensd, openfiler...I'm not sure if you would have better
> luck with picking a distro and setting up RAID etc with AOE..rather then
> picking a ready made one...
>

is this[1] what you looking for ...

[1] http://www.lbserver.org/aoe/

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Re: aoe - with freenas, openfiler

[Michal]

On 11/03/2010 10:54, Vadkan Jozsef wrote:
> Does anybody has a link to a distro, that supports ata over ethernet,
> and it's like: freenas, openfiler
> 
> sorry for the "interesting question" :D:S
> 
> thank you!
> 

I don't...though I would be interested to hear this also. However, you
did specify freensd, openfiler...I'm not sure if you would have better
luck with picking a distro and setting up RAID etc with AOE..rather then
picking a ready made one...
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aoe - with freenas, openfiler

[Vadkan Jozsef]

Does anybody has a link to a distro, that supports ata over ethernet,
and it's like: freenas, openfiler

sorry for the "interesting question" :D:S

thank you!

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Re: Nvidia problem after kernel 2.6.32.9-70.fc12 update

[Serguei Miridonov]

On Thursday 11 March 2010, Dario Lesca wrote:
> This morning, after kernel + nvidia driver update I get this error:
> > Mar 11 08:46:45 lesca kernel: NVRM: API mismatch: the client has
> > the version 195.36.08, but Mar 11 08:46:45 lesca kernel: NVRM:
> > this kernel module has the version 190.53.  

Please, check

rpm -qa | grep nvidia

If you have xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-195.36.08-* and 
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-195.36.08-*

you can run

yum downgrade xorg-x11-drv-nvidia xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs

to get 190.53 version.

Also, it is better to

yum install akmod-nvidia

This will automatically install proper nvidia module even for older 
kernel if you need to downgrade in case if new kernel will not work.
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Re: Fedora 12 installing

[Tim]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 01:44 -0500, Tom H wrote:
> Upstream, either Xorg or Gnome. One of the reasons, IIRC, was that
> some people are using/could use that key combo by mistake.

How?  How could you accidentally press that awkward key combination?

I could buy it if the key sequence was ALT zxc but not three keys spread
apart like that.

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Re: Strange things during upgrades

[NoSpaze]

Am Mittwoch, den 10.03.2010, 17:20 +0100 schrieb Antonio M:
> 2010/3/10 NoSpaze :
> > Am Mittwoch, den 10.03.2010, 16:15 +0100 schrieb Antonio M:
> >> [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> >> '/var/cache/yum/i386/12/fedora/01a9150327554e6d65132266f7b065a5d107b4efb7afa78012fa3ffcc6f517e9-primary.sqlite.bz2'
...
> > # ls -l /var/cache/yum/i386/12/fedora/
> > insgesamt 122048
> > -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 43433984 25. Feb 08:25 
> > 01a9150327554e6d65132266f7b065a5d107b4efb7afa78012fa3ffcc6f517e9-primary.sqlite
...
> also on my system, such a file is not zipped, that doesn't mean that I
> can solve the problem :-)

?

backup; try bzip2ing, changing filename in repomd.xml, deleting the
whole ...12/fedora/; googling...

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