Re: iPod touch and F13?
On 15/06/10 07:28, Peter Lesterhuis wrote: --snip-- > How do I find the mount point of the ipod Touch? > try: "blkid" at the command prompt. look at the various mounts. and you may find the ipod. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
iPod touch and F13?
> > I just tried plugging my iPod touch on F13, and to my surprise, it did > appear on rhythmbox (as advertised on the release notes). However, even > though it offers a "create new playlist" option on the iPod popup menu and > allows me to drag songs to the iPod (it even says it is transferring the > files), lists aren't created, and songs don't show on the iPod. > > Is there any additional configuration I need to do? Any additional app? Or > is it still read-only support? > I have the same experience. I tried to use gtkpod to import music files, but you need to know the mount point in order to create the ipod repository and for some reason I can't find that. Couldn't find it in /media, nor in /mnt and right-clicking on the ipod's Desktop icon-properties didn't reveal a mountpoint. How do I find the mount point of the ipod Touch? Peter -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
[OT] posting to fedoraproject lists that I am not subscribed to
Hi, Is it possible to post to any of the lists I am not subscribed to? I am asking this because there is one thread on the fedora virt list that is of interest to me, but I don't want to subscribe to another mailing list just for that. Any suggestions? -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Monday 14 June 2010 09:02 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > ... Never had this problem with > Windows. Understand the topo? But then Windows doesn't have kernel updates ... -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
On 06/15/2010 01:28 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > There was a similar problem 35 years ago with consumer video recording and/or > playback formats. Ultimately, the consumer chose which format it preferred. > They will, again. It just takes time. > > Of course, it could be argued, that 35 years ago the consumer chose an inferior format. And, ask the question, "Will it happen again?". :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
--- On Mon, 6/14/10, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:32 -0700, > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > By that time, if Adobe is true to form, HTML5 will be > fully > > implemented and out for two years, and there'll be no > need Flash > > anymore. ;-) Praise the day! > > Wishful thinking, because all the pre-existing sites full > of Flash will > not be converted for you. I've read because of the iPad and Apple's "No Flash" stance, that Flash using sites are developing non-flash alternatives for it. I've read that this is happening quite rapidly with everyone in a panic because they don't want to loose the business. Ah! Don't you just love capitalism. Besides, choice is good. > Though I agree with the sentiment, it would be good to do > without the > unnecessary use of Flash. However I don't see the > replacement doing > away with encumbered data formats, ogg theora got dropped > as the > multi-media format. We're likely to have yet another > encumbered format > foisted upon everyone, as everyone knows that everyone uses > Windows, > with a few Mac users, all of which will get a licensed > player... There was a similar problem 35 years ago with consumer video recording and/or playback formats. Ultimately, the consumer chose which format it preferred. They will, again. It just takes time. B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
--- On Mon, 6/14/10, Greg Woods wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:20 -0700, > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > In any case, I don't think the "hole" will cause much > problems with Linux based systems. When you read of > the panic attacks people are having, it's usually about > Windows systems. > > Linux is vulnerable too, we should not be so complacent. > Windows is, of > course, always targeted first because of its > ubiquitousness, and there > are some design flaws in Windows (such as, the logged-in > user often has > too many privileges) that make it more vulnerable. But > let's not kid > ourselves and go around thinking we are invulnerable, > because we're not. > It would certainly be possible to exploit this > vulnerability on Linux > and do some sufficiently nasty stuff (such as turning your > machine into > a spam source) that wouldn't require getting root access. > It is only a > matter of time before the hackers turn their attention to > Linux, > particularly if they know that Linux users do not have an > update path > and are therefore likely to remain vulnerable. Windows is also targeted because it's easier in so many ways to infect or compromise. I'm not saying that Linux can't be infected, hacked, cracked, etc., but it's considerably harder simply because the system is designed, first and foremost, from the ground up with security in mind. With Windows, security seems to have been always an after thought, if thought about at all. In addition, Linux users tend to be more knowledgeable regarding the vagaries of computers and computing, and take reasonable precautions against such things. B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mounting KVM image
Hi, > Take it a step at a time: > > guestfish -a systmp-img.img --ro > > list-devices > > list-partitions > > lvs > > You can then mount the partition(s) that contain data you want to > read, for example: > > > mount /dev/vda1 / For me, this produced: > mount /dev/vda1 / libguestfs: error: mount: /dev/vda1 on /: mount: /dev/vda1 already mounted or /sysroot/ busy mount: according to mtab, /dev/vda5 is already mounted on /sysroot Is it referring to the host mtab or the guest one? > If you want to actually mount the partition(s) as filesystems on the > host, you need to use another command, guestmount. This uses FUSE and I thought this was the whole point of the "mount" commands you referenced above? If not, what is the difference? Where else would it mount it, virtually, within guestfish only? The docs say clearly not to use guestmount to mount partitions on a live system. What program can be used for this purpose, such as to perform a backup while the guest is actually running? I've managed to successfully mount the image using a simple guestmount command. Is there an option for it to be more verbose while it's starting, to have it print out information on what it's doing while booting, particularly for non-kvm-capable systems? Thanks, Alex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
--- On Mon, 6/14/10, Steve Underwood wrote: > On 06/14/2010 11:20 PM, Patrick > Bartek wrote: > > >> [snip] > > I thought 10.1 was the one with the problem. In > any case, I don't think the "hole" will cause much problems > with Linux based systems. When you read of the panic > attacks people are having, it's usually about Windows > systems. > > > > B > > > I believe 10.1 is supposed to be the "big fix" for problems > in > 10.0.. They wouldn't have release 10.1 > last Friday if it was > supposed to have the serious fault they reported a few days > before, > would they? You cut the part of my message where I said > 10.1 on a 32 bit > machine appears to be causing kernel faults. If it can do > that, who know > what nasty things it could do if its insecure. Well, 10.1 really "fixed" everything, didn't it? Even the Windows users had major problems with it. A kernel fault? Bad code, probably. Do programmers do flow charts anymore? B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how to set screen resolution for HP6710b on Fedora 13
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 14:07:35 +1000, L wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed Fedora 13 on HP 6710B. It looks all good, but the > screen resolution is set to 1024X800. I can set it to it max ( > 1650x1024?) I found some information claiming that the native resolution of the screen on that laptop is either 1680x1050 or 1280x800 depending on the model. So you should probably get one of those two by default. Setting the resolution higher than the native resolution might end up looking worse instead of better. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 00:02:33 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > This rhetoric makes sense only if you think that going the Sun way is not > the way to go for Red Hat. And if you want newbies to join the Red Hat's > ecosystem, telling them to RTFM just won't work. Things are going to have to > work without RTFM. You are complaining to the wrong people. RPMFusion supplies those packages. If people just use Fedora, then they don't have that problem. You should be discussing possible solutions to this issue with the RPMFusion developers. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: iPod touch and F13?
Andre Costa wrote: > I just tried plugging my iPod touch on F13, and to my surprise, it > did appear on rhythmbox (as advertised on the release notes). > However, even though it offers a "create new playlist" option on the > iPod popup menu and allows me to drag songs to the iPod (it even > says it is transferring the files), lists aren't created, and songs > don't show on the iPod. > > Is there any additional configuration I need to do? Any additional > app? Or is it still read-only support? I'm not up on all the steps needed, but if you've never written to the iPod touch with iTunes, you either need to do so or visit http://ihash.marcansoft.com/ to generate a file needed for libgpod using tools (gtkpod, rhythmbox, amarok, etc.) to write a valid iTunesDB to the device. -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ There are three ways to get something done: do it yourself, hire someone, or forbid your kids to do it. -- Monta Crane pgpCW9TLYGlei.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 23:03:13 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > Are you really sure that the maintainers of a repository that doesn't belong > to Fedora could stop a Fedora kernel upgrade? No I am not. Fedora can't do anything about it under the current policies. It essentially has no knowledge of 3rd party repos in its meta data, so there is no way to do this. There are ways that could be tried (such as using conflicts) but I am not sure if there are any that would work cleanly. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how to set screen resolution for HP6710b on Fedora 13
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 14:07 +1000, L wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed Fedora 13 on HP 6710B. It looks all good, but the > screen resolution is set to 1024X800. I can set it to it max ( > 1650x1024?) > > hope some help to fix it? If that resolution is not an option using GNOME or KDE display preferences then you will have to create an xorg.conf file... i.e. I use something like this... # cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "single head configuration" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" ModelName"LCD Panel 1280x1024" Modeline "1280x1024" 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +HSync +VSync HorizSync31.5 - 64.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 65.0 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "radeon" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor"Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 00:02 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > > Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is > somebody > > working for Ubuntu here? > > > This sort of rhetoric is unnecessary if you are looking for > help. > > This rhetoric makes sense only if you think that going the Sun way is > not the way to go for Red Hat. And if you want newbies to join the Red > Hat's ecosystem, telling them to RTFM just won't work. Things are > going to have to work without RTFM. > > But does Red Hat want to build an ecosystem to sustain newbies' > support? Where is it headed? Soon Google will have its tablet out. > applications will work in the browser. You tap this, you tap that and > it works. Hardware and software are going to be devised as one. A chip > with its own ID will make security stronger. (Of course, we all know > what this means confidentiality-wise, but will the newbie care? I > doubt it. ) Without security, the cloud would be just that, a cloud. > > They're going to sell music, movies, whatever. Ubuntu plays the same > game: they're going to have their tablet too: > http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/06/13/ubuntu_for_tablets/ > > So, you might think that Fedora/Red Hat will survive staying on idle > simple-user-wise, asking its users to RTFM like ArchLinux does and > caring about Sun's former customers? > > I doubt it and I certainly believe that having the kernels and the > kmods appearing in sync would be the lesser step in the good > direction. > > Excuse me for being a non-programmer and stating the obvious like I've > done so many times, Try to understand it can get frustrating and that, > short of rewriting the whole diatribe, sometimes a knee jerk comes > handy. feel free to use Ubuntu if it better suits your needs. Fedora remains committed to only free / non-patent encumbered, non-license encumbered packages and your complaint is about software (nVidia proprietary video drivers) that Fedora makes no effort to embrace. This is a conscious and deliberate decision. Whatever Google, Ubuntu, Sun, Arch or anyone else does is not material to the discussion - Fedora does not concern themselves with the 3rd party software that is clearly not compatible with the GPL license. You should be able to understand this. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 23:03 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III > wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, > Marcel Rieux wrote: > > > > So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel > and it will > > still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but > not with the new > > kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. Which > means newbies > > will be completely dumbfounded as to why their system > suddenly doesn't boot > > after an update. > > > > Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is > somebody > > working for Ubuntu here? > > > For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. > kmod-nvidia > is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia > update needs > to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. > > Are you really sure that the maintainers of a repository that doesn't > belong to Fedora could stop a Fedora kernel upgrade? the way it works is that rpmfusion cannot build their kmod's until Fedora ships a new kernel. So there is a lag of time between the kernel update and the packages from rpmfusion because they need the kernel source to build their packages. That's the way it works, there's little hope to change it but generally rpmfusion builds their specialized packages pretty quickly but there is a window of time when updating, you can get a kernel update but not the kernel modules. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
iPod touch and F13?
Hi, I just tried plugging my iPod touch on F13, and to my surprise, it did appear on rhythmbox (as advertised on the release notes). However, even though it offers a "create new playlist" option on the iPod popup menu and allows me to drag songs to the iPod (it even says it is transferring the files), lists aren't created, and songs don't show on the iPod. Is there any additional configuration I need to do? Any additional app? Or is it still read-only support? Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mounting KVM image
Hi, > OK, here's your problem: the offset option for losetup was not properly calculated. > http://www.campworld.net/thewiki/pmwiki.php/Linux/DiskImagesHOWTO Yes, you're right, but your calculation were also wrong. It's 512, not 1024. The link you sent was a great help in getting it working properly. Here is the full command list, for the archives: [r...@fedora ~]# fdisk -ul systmp-kvm.raw You must set cylinders. You can do this from the extra functions menu. Disk systmp-kvm.raw: 0 MB, 0 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 0 cylinders, total 0 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System systmp-kvm.raw1 * 1 48194 24097 83 Linux systmp-kvm.raw2 481958387536441913585 85 Linux extended Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(1023, 254, 63) logical=(5220, 254, 63) systmp-kvm.raw5 481968197969440965749+ 83 Linux systmp-kvm.raw68197969683875364 947834+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris [r...@fedora ~]# losetup -a [r...@fedora ~]# losetup /dev/loop0 systmp-kvm.raw [r...@fedora ~]# losetup -o $((1*512)) /dev/loop1 /dev/loop0 [r...@fedora ~]# losetup -o $((48196*512)) /dev/loop2 /dev/loop0 [r...@fedora ~]# mount /dev/loop2 /mnt/mytest [r...@fedora ~]# mount /dev/loop2 /mnt/mytest/boot The image is now mounted, and can be accessed from /mnt/mytest. Regards, Alex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
how to set screen resolution for HP6710b on Fedora 13
Hi, I have installed Fedora 13 on HP 6710B. It looks all good, but the screen resolution is set to 1024X800. I can set it to it max ( 1650x1024?) hope some help to fix it? -- http://etvillage.blogspot.com/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/15/2010 04:43 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > = > > > > So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it > > will still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not > > with the new kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. > > Which means newbies will be completely dumbfounded as to why their > > system suddenly doesn't boot after an update. > > Fedora doesn't really target newbies Google does, Ubuntu does, Mandriva does. Pretty much every distribution does. But Red Hat doesn't have to? Does Red Hat want to become the next Sun? Removing a kmod and a kernel doesn't make a system > unbootable. It will just make the system unbootable to a GUI with the default kernel, which will get the newbie completely confused. Never had this problem with Windows. Understand the topo? If you prefer to, you can switchover to using akmod I've had my fair share of problems with akmod and decided to stick with kmod. Here's what a newbie would have to learn in order to use akmod: http://fedorasolved.org/Members/zcat/akmods from "Doing the Work". Just past the first paragraph, he'll be back to Windows. Akmod is no excuse for kmod not working. If this excuse comes up every time a kmod is not in sysn with a new kernel, you might as well scrap kmod and tell new users that Fedora kernel updates are only possible after RTFM. Final. or set > yum to preserve more kernels by default or never remove older kernels at > all. Look up /etc/yum.conf for that. > That's not the problem. 3 kernel are kept. So you still have 2 kernels that you can theoritically boot from. Will the newbie figure out that if the latest kernel doesn't work, the former might? > Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is somebody > working for Ubuntu here? This sort of rhetoric is unnecessary if you are looking for help. > This rhetoric makes sense only if you think that going the Sun way is not the way to go for Red Hat. And if you want newbies to join the Red Hat's ecosystem, telling them to RTFM just won't work. Things are going to have to work without RTFM. But does Red Hat want to build an ecosystem to sustain newbies' support? Where is it headed? Soon Google will have its tablet out. applications will work in the browser. You tap this, you tap that and it works. Hardware and software are going to be devised as one. A chip with its own ID will make security stronger. (Of course, we all know what this means confidentiality-wise, but will the newbie care? I doubt it. ) Without security, the cloud would be just that, a cloud. They're going to sell music, movies, whatever. Ubuntu plays the same game: they're going to have their tablet too: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/06/13/ubuntu_for_tablets/ So, you might think that Fedora/Red Hat will survive staying on idle simple-user-wise, asking its users to RTFM like ArchLinux does and caring about Sun's former customers? I doubt it and I certainly believe that having the kernels and the kmods appearing in sync would be the lesser step in the good direction. Excuse me for being a non-programmer and stating the obvious like I've done so many times, Try to understand it can get frustrating and that, short of rewriting the whole diatribe, sometimes a knee jerk comes handy. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13: graphviz-php fails to load
PHP is failing to load the /usr/lib/php/modules/gv.so dynamic library due to an undefined symbol, zend_error_noreturn. From what I have read on the web, the missing zend_error_noreturn issue is usually due to changes in which compiler is used. The difference in how zend_end_noreturn is defined depends changes with GCC version 3 or greater then it was defined with GCC version 2. Note that how zend_error_noreturn is defined by different versions of GCC is controlled in Zend/Zend.h (according to what I have read, I do not have the php source code on my system and therefore cannot verify) The error can be reproduced if you run the command "php -m" or "php --version". The command runs but there is an error message at the beginning that states that it was unable to load the gv.so library. A temporary fix is to uninstall the graphviz-php package. I first noticed this issue when looking at the Apache 2.2 error_log file. Are other people seeing this problem? Does anyone have a long term solution that will allow the use of the graphviz-php package? System: Fedora 13 graphviz-php-2.26.0.2.fc13.i686 php version 5.3.2 (cli) (built: Apr 30 2010 05:43:36) Output from "php --version" [prompt]$ php --version PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php/modules/gv.so' - /usr/lib/php/modules/gv.so: undefined symbol: zend_error_noreturn in Unknown on line 0 PHP 5.3.2 (cli) (built: Apr 30 2010 05:43:36) Copyright (c) 1997-2010 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies with Xdebug v2.0.5, Copyright (c) 2002-2008, by Derick Rethans -- Steven F. LeBrun Quote: /"The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; and the realist adjusts the sails."/ -- Anonymous -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
Marcel Rieux wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Dale J. Chatham > wrote: [...] >> While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, >> really doesn't matter. Gonna have a lot of people angry and >> blaming Fedora. > > Exactly. It's no use trying to find culprits: it must work. Feel free to persuade nvidia to open their code so it can be included in the kernel. As long as it is non-free and not include in the upstream kernel, there will likely always be a day or so window when updates from RPM Fusion (or any third-party repo) lag behind and cause a temporary failure. Otherwise, harping about it here doesn't do any good at all. I don't think many folks doing the work to make Fedora happen have a lot of concern for non-free drivers. If you use them, you have to accept that it's not supported by Fedora -- simple as that. -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ So much havoc has optimism wrought in this world that pessimism appears not only a legitimate way of looking at things but a moral duty. -- Christopher Spranger, The Effort To Fall pgpXHosx8SAm0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
Marcel Rieux wrote: > Some might argue that those who might be blamed by the unenlightened > should do something to keep people from crashing their new systems and > not knowing why or how to work around it. > > While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, really > doesn't matter. Gonna have a lot of people angry and blaming Fedora. > > > Exactly. It's no use trying to find culprits: it must work. > So what exactly is Fedora supposed to do short of removing 3rd party repositories from yum altogether ? fedora does not control the policies of other repos. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > On 06/14/2010 06:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, > >Marcel Rieux wrote: > > > > For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. > kmod-nvidia > > is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update needs > > to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. > > > > Some might argue that those who might be blamed by the unenlightened > should do something to keep people from crashing their new systems and > not knowing why or how to work around it. > > While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, really > doesn't matter. Gonna have a lot of people angry and blaming Fedora. > Exactly. It's no use trying to find culprits: it must work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, > Marcel Rieux wrote: > > > > So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will > > still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not with the > new > > kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. Which means newbies > > will be completely dumbfounded as to why their system suddenly doesn't > boot > > after an update. > > > > Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is somebody > > working for Ubuntu here? > > For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia > is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update needs > to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. > Are you really sure that the maintainers of a repository that doesn't belong to Fedora could stop a Fedora kernel upgrade? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Requested classes
From: Ian MacGregor To: Fedora Classroom List Subject:Requested classes Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:57:58 -0700 Greetings, My name is Ian MacGregor and I am the wiki tender for the Fedora Classroom. Currently, there is a list of requested classes at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Suggest_a_class Knowing that there is likely a large number of folks in our community who possess the skills listed in that section of the classroom page, I am seeking knowledgeable individuals who are able and willing to teach one or more classes. Please look over the requested class list and see if there is a chance that you could help increase the knowledge of others by giving a class. the Fedora community is second to none, in my opinion, because of great folks like you who give when others are in need. Fedora classroom information: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom Teaching a class: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Teaching_a_class Thank you and I look forward to attending your classes! -- Regards, Rev. Dr. Ian MacGregor http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ardchoille42 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Perhaps or perhaps you are seeing problems others have not. In either > case, file a bug report with the details would be useful. > Thanks to Ed's answer, I could figure this is a possibility. So, I made a few tests. 1) I rebooted. I still had to select the first entry before I could paste it. In OOo, I could now paste, also after reselecting the fisrt entry, but a new line was added. 2) So, I shut down the computer and rebooted with the modem (which is configured as a router, shut down. Everything worked perfectly except that I couldn't get rid of the search box, as usual. But pasting in gedit or OOo was OK. I never had problems pasting in Thunderbird. When I rebooted with the modem on, it seemed to me that the PC and TX/RX lights flashed for a long time -- maybe 3 seconds -- after logging in. Since the problem doesn't exist when I cold boot with the modem closed, it seems the problem is not on my system. IOW, it looks like a hack. If I file a bug report, I'll probably be the only one with this problem and it won't be taken into consideration. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13 OpenJDK bugs ?
Is anyone else seeing major stability issues with OpenJDK on F13? I can reliably kill Netbeans by repeatedly resizing any dialog window before swing gets a chance to repaint. This does not happen when using Sun 1.6.20. If anyone is interested, I used abrt to report this to bugzilla. See 603962. Regards, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/15/2010 07:00 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > More fun with Klipper! > > > > Just as it used to do before, most of the time, it's impossible to > > paste in gedit unless the first entry is reselected. > > > > In OOo, either using the middle mouse button or CTRL + V, what appears > > are a empty spaces or ^^^ ^ > > > > Please don't tell me I'm a ranter. I know. I know that no Klipper > > developer uses OOo and no OOo developer uses Klipper. I'm the only one. > Even though using klipper, a KDE application, is a bit unusual in Gnome > I gave it a try > > Able to close search box by simply clicking anywhere else on the desktop. > Not here. You're really sure that if you select something after you made teh search it will appear at the top of the list? > Always able to select and paste any entry in gedit. > No problems whatsoever pasting into OpenOffice application > More on this in my Answer to Rahul. > All this on a fully updated F13 system. > I use fedora 12 fully updated... except the last update. I hope you realise that, despite nothing works on your system like on mine, I really appreciate your answer. From there I made other tests. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 20:53 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 19:05 -0600, linux guy wrote: > > Everything was fine in F12. Right now I have the following issues: > > > > 1) Network Manager doesn't have an icon in my system tray. > > 2) Firefox is a bit unstable from time to time. > > 3) Evolution refuses to connect to the network connection for the > > session. > > Sounds like NM isn't being started automatically by your session. You > don't mention if you use KDE or Gnome. If KDE, you can put > knetworkmanager (or nm-applet if you prefer) in Autostart, or just start > it and save the session. For Gnome, I don't know. For Gnome: System --> Preferences --> Startup Applications and add an entry for NM if it is not there (nm-applet --sm-disabled is the command in my F13). > If you configured the network outside NM, that's why Evo thinks it's not > connected. This might also be affecting FF (both of these apps ask NM if > the connection is up, and believe the answer it gives). > > The rule of thumb is: if you use NM, use it for everything. Don't try to > mix and match. Specifically, make sure NM is controlling the interfaces > you use. > > poc Germán. -- Germán A. Racca National Institute for Space Research (INPE) São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil http://gracca.tk - http://graccablog.tk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 15:38 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > > Should have mentioned, discspan.py already has the changes, I just > included the patch file if you want to see what changed. > > Richard, > > I just finished writing out the "0" disc. Before that I confirmed that your > "--test" fix works. Did you forward your patches to James? > > Thanks a bunch. ;-) Yup! Haven't heard back yet though. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 15:38 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > Should have mentioned, discspan.py already has the changes, I just > included the patch file if you want to see what changed. Richard, I just finished writing out the "0" disc. Before that I confirmed that your "--test" fix works. Did you forward your patches to James? Thanks a bunch. ;-) --Doc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: growisofs crashes system
On 06/15/2010 09:18 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:ector number sometimes > changes, but that's about the only variation.) > > I then tried burning from k3b using wodim instead of growisofs, and that > worked fine. Also, growisofs worked without problems in F12. > Just curious... Does it also file if you use "-Z /dev/dvd" or "-Z /dev/dvd=some.iso"? My F13 system doesn't have a DVD/RW drive to try for myself. -- QOTD: The only easy way to tell a hamster from a gerbil is that the gerbil has more dark meat. 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 19:05 -0600, linux guy wrote: > Everything was fine in F12. Right now I have the following issues: > > 1) Network Manager doesn't have an icon in my system tray. > 2) Firefox is a bit unstable from time to time. > 3) Evolution refuses to connect to the network connection for the > session. Sounds like NM isn't being started automatically by your session. You don't mention if you use KDE or Gnome. If KDE, you can put knetworkmanager (or nm-applet if you prefer) in Autostart, or just start it and save the session. For Gnome, I don't know. If you configured the network outside NM, that's why Evo thinks it's not connected. This might also be affecting FF (both of these apps ask NM if the connection is up, and believe the answer it gives). The rule of thumb is: if you use NM, use it for everything. Don't try to mix and match. Specifically, make sure NM is controlling the interfaces you use. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
growisofs crashes system
... and I have a pile of coasters to prove it. dvd+rw-tools-7.1-4.fc12.x86_64 (there doesn't appear to be an F13 rpm). The problem arose when trying to burn a DVD from k3b. Finally I tried it from the command line: /usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/sr0 -R -J My-Movie/ The system immediately freezes. It's wedged it won't even respond to pings. On rebooting last time I found nearly 900 copies of the following in /var/log/messages: Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: Info fld=0x0 Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1 (the third line sometimes has fld=0x1 and the sector number sometimes changes, but that's about the only variation.) I then tried burning from k3b using wodim instead of growisofs, and that worked fine. Also, growisofs worked without problems in F12. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
Everything was fine in F12. Right now I have the following issues: 1) Network Manager doesn't have an icon in my system tray. 2) Firefox is a bit unstable from time to time. 3) Evolution refuses to connect to the network connection for the session. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 18:32 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > On 06/14/2010 06:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, > >Marcel Rieux wrote: > > > > For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. > kmod-nvidia > > is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update > needs > > to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. > > > > Some might argue that those who might be blamed by the unenlightened > should do something to keep people from crashing their new systems and > not knowing why or how to work around it. And how are they supposed to do that? I'm trying and failing to follow the logic here. RPMfusion and other repos are not enabled automatically by the Fedora installation process; the user has to take specific action to enable them and should be aware of the potential consequences. Are you proposing to outlaw third-party repos? If not, what are you proposing in order to "keep people from crashing their new systems"? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On 06/15/2010 04:43 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > = > > So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it > will still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not > with the new kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. > Which means newbies will be completely dumbfounded as to why their > system suddenly doesn't boot after an update. Fedora doesn't really target newbies but let's make sure the details are understood. Removing a kmod and a kernel doesn't make a system unbootable. If you prefer to, you can switchover to using akmod or set yum to preserve more kernels by default or never remove older kernels at all. Look up /etc/yum.conf for that. > > Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is somebody > working for Ubuntu here? This sort of rhetoric is unnecessary if you are looking for help. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
On 06/15/2010 04:30 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > More fun with Klipper! > > Just as it used to do before, most of the time, it's impossible to > paste in gedit unless the first entry is reselected. > > In OOo, either using the middle mouse button or CTRL + V, what appears > are a empty spaces or ^^^ ^ > > Please don't tell me I'm a ranter. I know. I know that no Klipper > developer uses OOo and no OOo developer uses Klipper. I'm the only one. Perhaps or perhaps you are seeing problems others have not. In either case, file a bug report with the details would be useful. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
On 06/15/2010 07:00 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > More fun with Klipper! > > Just as it used to do before, most of the time, it's impossible to > paste in gedit unless the first entry is reselected. > > In OOo, either using the middle mouse button or CTRL + V, what appears > are a empty spaces or ^^^ ^ > > Please don't tell me I'm a ranter. I know. I know that no Klipper > developer uses OOo and no OOo developer uses Klipper. I'm the only one. Even though using klipper, a KDE application, is a bit unusual in Gnome I gave it a try Able to close search box by simply clicking anywhere else on the desktop. Always able to select and paste any entry in gedit. No problems whatsoever pasting into OpenOffice applications All this on a fully updated F13 system. -- Why is it that we rejoice at a birth and grieve at a funeral? It is because we are not the person involved. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On 06/14/2010 06:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, >Marcel Rieux wrote: > > For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia > is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update needs > to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. > Some might argue that those who might be blamed by the unenlightened should do something to keep people from crashing their new systems and not knowing why or how to work around it. While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, really doesn't matter. Gonna have a lot of people angry and blaming Fedora. But, if you want to take your customer service cues from British Petroleum, far be it from me, ... :) -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote: > > So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will > still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not with the new > kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. Which means newbies > will be completely dumbfounded as to why their system suddenly doesn't boot > after an update. > > Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is somebody > working for Ubuntu here? For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update needs to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Another funny update?
Here's the last update suggestion I received today: == PackageArch Version RepositorySize == Installing: kernel x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12updates 21 M Updating: fuse x86_64 2.8.4-1.fc12 updates 71 k fuse-libs x86_64 2.8.4-1.fc12 updates 74 k kernel-firmwarenoarch 2.6.32.14-127.fc12updates 973 k kernel-headers x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12updates 754 k sane-backends x86_64 1.0.21-2.fc12 updates 1.0 M sane-backends-libs x86_64 1.0.21-2.fc12 updates 2.0 M xscreensaver-base x86_64 1:5.11-4.1.fc12.respin1 updates 406 k Removing: kernel x86_64 2.6.32.10-90.fc12 @updates 103 M Removing for dependencies: kmod-nvidia-2.6.32.10-90.fc12.x86_64 x86_64 1:195.36.15-1.fc12.1 @rpmfusion-nonfree-updates13 M Transaction Summary == So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not with the new kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. Which means newbies will be completely dumbfounded as to why their system suddenly doesn't boot after an update. Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is somebody working for Ubuntu here? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 23:25 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote: > Il giorno lun, 14/06/2010 alle 11.35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan ha > scritto: > > > > I use Chromium rather than FF. The only problem is that Java (IcedTea > > plugin for x86_64) has decided to stop working, but I think FF users > > are seeing the same thing so it's a Java problem. > > There is a broken symbolic link in /etc/alternatives for > libjavaplugin.so.x86_64 > > I have resolve with this: > > > ln -fs /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so > > /etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin.so.x86_64 Thanks, but no. The link is correct but I get the error: /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so has crashed /var/log/messages contains: chromium-browse[28606]: segfault at f590 ip 003a75c7585c sp 7fff91954ea0 error 4 in libc-2.12.so[3a75c0+175000] which I guess is from the same source, though it doesn't mention Java. Note the reference to libc. I guess I'd better check BZ for this. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F12: Palmiquist
On 06/14/2010 03:37 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > Is there any way that I can use palmiquist (hard disk check) > to automatically check and report any hard-disk failures? > On F11, it was bubble-reported whenever there was a > failing HD, but on F12 this does not seem to be the case? > > Ok, never mind. It does report any HD failure automatically, just not warnings. I was not sure where to find Palmiquist in the menu, but now I have it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
More fun with Klipper! Just as it used to do before, most of the time, it's impossible to paste in gedit unless the first entry is reselected. In OOo, either using the middle mouse button or CTRL + V, what appears are a empty spaces or ^^^ ^ Please don't tell me I'm a ranter. I know. I know that no Klipper developer uses OOo and no OOo developer uses Klipper. I'm the only one. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F12: Palmiquist
Is there any way that I can use palmiquist (hard disk check) to automatically check and report any hard-disk failures? On F11, it was bubble-reported whenever there was a failing HD, but on F12 this does not seem to be the case? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
Il giorno lun, 14/06/2010 alle 11.35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto: > > I use Chromium rather than FF. The only problem is that Java (IcedTea > plugin for x86_64) has decided to stop working, but I think FF users > are seeing the same thing so it's a Java problem. There is a broken symbolic link in /etc/alternatives for libjavaplugin.so.x86_64 I have resolve with this: > ln -fs /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so > /etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin.so.x86_64 Hope this help -- Dario Lesca -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
Marvin Kosmal wrote: > So I just fixed my own problem.. only partly. > Don't know why I didn't notice it before.. > > There is a bar called "More Options" who reads all of what is on page until they have need? > Click on that and it brings up all the text and I can scroll to the bottom.. > > Thanks welcome. but you could do better by leaving at top so you can 'chop old wood' before you start replying. ;) -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 06/14/2010 04:33 PM, g wrote: >> thunderbird does produce disk i/o activity when in compose mode. >> >> there is a storing of message in 'drafts folder' and is set with >> 'preferences'. >> >> > This is true, I didn't think of it. Could also be related to my /home > logical volume is huge. to further clarify, maybe, i do not/would not relate volume size being huge to 'drafts' folder file. what is stored there and left, is what you save with 'file > save', 'file > save as', or . or a crash, which could be if you , or close out in some other way with out finishing properly with compose window. a simple viewing of 'drafts' folder will show you what is there. if 'drafts' folder is in bold type, you definitely have composed emails there. if you have any there that are shown as read, it is because you read what is there, or you move something there. > When I installed Fedora 13, It was relatively small, and I had another > folder for downloads, isos, and virtual machines. I don't know why this is as for lvm, only reasoning i can relate to thunderbird is that lvm is set too low and thunderbird is having to wait for space assignment. i never found need for lvm, i see it's advantages, but i can also see disadvantages. i do not use it. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 13:40 -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > There is a bar called "More Options" > > Click on that and it brings up all the text and I can scroll to the > bottom.. Hmm, I'm not seeing it. Do you mean the "More Actions" drop-down? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 11:32 -0700, bruce wrote: > are we doin a top/bottom post flame war again!!! No-one has flamed anyone so far, so hopefully that would be a no. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 04:33 PM, g wrote: > Jerry Feldman wrote: > > > >> I think the offline storage is very unlikely as there was not (or should >> not have been) any disk I/O activity at the times. >> > thunderbird does produce disk i/o activity when in compose mode. > > there is a storing of message in 'drafts folder' and is set with > 'preferences'. > > > This is true, I didn't think of it. Could also be related to my /home logical volume is huge. When I installed Fedora 13, It was relatively small, and I had another folder for downloads, isos, and virtual machines. I don't know why this is a very noticable problem on Fedora 13 when it was not in Fedora 12, except for the logical volume size. Again, I want to wait until it happens again so I can try to isolate the stuff going on rather than play a guessing game. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
[OT] A questions about Fedora/KVM friendly hardware
Hello, I was running Fedora's Virt-manager w/ Qemu/Kqemu, after some change in Qemu (no more support Kqemu) i have switched to VMware Player in my laptop/ and VMware Server in my home workstation/server (i have tested Virtualbox too), now i want to buy a new Motherboard/CPU that support Hardware Virt (my choose is AMD Phenom/Athlon) my question is: Does anyone have a experience with sapphire [1] motherboard with KVM under Fedora ? [1] http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=2&psn=000102 Best regards. -- Athmane Madjoudj -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12/13 network printer oddness
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:52 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Tim wrote: >> > On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 16:00 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: >> >> No, it's connected through IPP: >> >> >> >> ipp://hobbes.localdomain:631/printers/Photosmart-C5500-series >> > >> > Does "hobbes.localdomain" always resolve to the print server's IP >> > address? And does it do so on the other client computers? >> > >> >> Yup, I'm not using anything special, it's just a home network with all >> the IP->Host translations in /etc/hosts. >> >> I think it has something to do with my wife's laptop but I have no >> idea what's going on. I scanned her IP with nmap and it couldn't find >> any trace that her laptop is even there, however, all network >> connections coming FROM her laptop continue to work fine. I was out of >> town this weekend so I haven't had a lot of time to see what's going >> on but I'm going to try shutting down the firewall completely to see >> if it makes a difference. I don't think it will. I tried that last >> week just to see if the printer auto-discovery would work but I'm >> going to shut it down and try nmap again. >> >> Richard > > Is your wife's laptop running Linux? If not it may not see the printer > and you might have to use samba. Yes, I should have been more explicit, but both machines were F12 or F13 at the same time. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
On 06/14/2010 04:24 PM, g wrote: > why changed settings. how would google or any email client know what > you want to reply to? > > i know gmail and thunderbird do not know what i want to reply to, so > i have them set to start at top of quoted message While many email programs, such as T-Bird give you a choice of either top or bottom posting, some email programs can be set up on a per folder basis. When I reply in my Fedora list folder, my cursor is positioned at the bottom, but in some other folders I have it set up to top post. I don't remember where or how I set this up, but that is the way I have mine set up, and have had since shortly after I adopted T-Bird. I also know that Claws could do this. I don't know what capabilities other email programs have. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
On 6/14/10, g wrote: > Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > >> In my case. It is google... >> >> It wants to top post.. I have to fight it.. > > is google making you top post, or is google putting your cursor at top > of quoted so you can trim dead history and reply interspersed? > > >> Maybe there is a setting I haven't seen that will bottom post for me.. > > why changed settings. how would google or any email client know what > you want to reply to? > > i know gmail and thunderbird do not know what i want to reply to, so > i have them set to start at top of quoted message. > > just seems logical to me to do it that way. > > >> I much prefer that for technical stuff. (This list) > > lol. this is technical. ;) > >> YMMV > > fttt. > > > -- > > peace out. > > tc,hago. > > g > . > OK So I just fixed my own problem.. Don't know why I didn't notice it before.. There is a bar called "More Options" Click on that and it brings up all the text and I can scroll to the bottom.. Thanks Marvin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
Should have mentioned, discspan.py already has the changes, I just included the patch file if you want to see what changed. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage > wrote: >> >> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 10:37 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: >>> None of my code ended up in the rewrite but the --test and --disk-start >>> options were my ideas. >>> >>> I'm not sure if I did something wrong but when I tried to use it to >>> backup my pictures I ended up a disc short. I had ~21GB to backup on 5 >>> discs and only 4 were burned. Like I said, I'm not sure if it's a bug >>> or something I did so I'm very interested in your results. >> >> Richard, >> >> I sent James a very long epistle detailing the problems I encountered. >> >> --test didn't work for me, and my indicated 14-disc set ended up burning >> only 13. I had to reduce the DVD+R size in the .ini file from 4.377G to >> 4.365G to avoid overflow. I thought that might increase the disc count, >> but it didn't. > > Looks like it wasn't just me then. I'll take a look as the code and > see if it is something I can figure out. > > Richard > Ok, here is the new and improved script. This patch has not yet been accepted by the author but it should work for you. Summary of changes: - Burns the correct number of discs (needed a disc_num - 1 because lists start at 0, not 1) - Now defaults to not spewing all the file names, use -v or --verbose if you want to see it. - Spits out how many files will be written to each disk - "--test" redirects device to /dev/null, but still goes through all the motions including generating the iso files. If you've already burned your files, just burn disc 1 over since that's the one it was skipping. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks, Richard discspan.py Description: Binary data discspan.patch Description: Binary data -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: > I think the offline storage is very unlikely as there was not (or should > not have been) any disk I/O activity at the times. thunderbird does produce disk i/o activity when in compose mode. there is a storing of message in 'drafts folder' and is set with 'preferences'. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On 06/14/2010 09:19 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:25 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: >> Is it me or are there lots of little instabilities in F13 ? >> >> Firefox, Evolution, etc ? >> >> Thanks >> > > I am not seeing any instabilities in Firefox, etc. > -- > === > The price one pays for pursuing any profession, or calling, is an > intimate knowledge of its ugly side. -- James Baldwin > === > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net > Most desktop software included in f13 are stable (Gnome, Firefox, Thunderbird etc ...) if you have upgraded from a very old version of fedora try to remove dot files/dirs in you home dir. -- Athmane Madjoudj -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
Marvin Kosmal wrote: > In my case. It is google... > > It wants to top post.. I have to fight it.. is google making you top post, or is google putting your cursor at top of quoted so you can trim dead history and reply interspersed? > Maybe there is a setting I haven't seen that will bottom post for me.. why changed settings. how would google or any email client know what you want to reply to? i know gmail and thunderbird do not know what i want to reply to, so i have them set to start at top of quoted message. just seems logical to me to do it that way. > I much prefer that for technical stuff. (This list) lol. this is technical. ;) > YMMV fttt. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:25 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: > Is it me or are there lots of little instabilities in F13 ? > > Firefox, Evolution, etc ? > > Thanks > I am not seeing any instabilities in Firefox, etc. -- === The price one pays for pursuing any profession, or calling, is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side. -- James Baldwin === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12/13 network printer oddness
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:52 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Tim wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 16:00 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > >> No, it's connected through IPP: > >> > >> ipp://hobbes.localdomain:631/printers/Photosmart-C5500-series > > > > Does "hobbes.localdomain" always resolve to the print server's IP > > address? And does it do so on the other client computers? > > > > Yup, I'm not using anything special, it's just a home network with all > the IP->Host translations in /etc/hosts. > > I think it has something to do with my wife's laptop but I have no > idea what's going on. I scanned her IP with nmap and it couldn't find > any trace that her laptop is even there, however, all network > connections coming FROM her laptop continue to work fine. I was out of > town this weekend so I haven't had a lot of time to see what's going > on but I'm going to try shutting down the firewall completely to see > if it makes a difference. I don't think it will. I tried that last > week just to see if the printer auto-discovery would work but I'm > going to shut it down and try nmap again. > > Richard Is your wife's laptop running Linux? If not it may not see the printer and you might have to use samba. -- === Utility is when you have one telephone, luxury is when you have two, opulence is when you have three -- and paradise is when you have none. -- Doug Larson === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 09:50 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > In the past, Thunderbird would freeze temporarily while waiting to > obtain a GPG key or to load some graphics. However in Thunderbird 3.04 > on Fedora 13 (x86_64) I'm seeing some issues where the screen goes dark, > even while I am composing. After a short while, it cathes up. My system > is an x86_64 system with 6GB RAM and an AMD quad core processor. I have > 2 sources I get email from, (1) gmail via IMAP, (2) my ISP via POP. > AFAIK, Thunderbird downloads new email in the background, and has not > affected the performance. What is annoying is that this freeze occurs > while composing email, so that the other things, like waiting for a GPG > key to be downloaded or waiting for a very large email body to display > is not in play. I'm looking to see if anyone else is experiencing > similar issues for corroboration purposes. For instance, I encountered > it this morning before leaving for work. My system was relatively idle > with firefox and Gnome-terminal running. I think I had about 3 > relatively non-dynamic websites on firefox at the time. > > Same thing here, x86 platform. Freezes while typing are most annoying -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:43:25 -0700 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > I can't decide if top posting or folks that don't trim the quoted lines > to two or three lines of context are more annoying. What is whith this? > Have we had the invasion of the lazy people? We probably have the invasion of the webmail interfaces which make you do a heck of a lot of extra work to "properly" quote and edit replies (or in some particularly brain damaged cases make it almost impossible). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 03:25 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 06/14/2010 03:10 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> I moved to T-Bird from Claws (on Linux of course) a few years ago. I >> generally use the version on T-Bird that is on the current Fedora repo. >> The freeze condition that I see is just an annoying pain because it >> occurs while I am typing. it is possible that the issue may not be >> directly related to thunderbird, but possibly something with the nVidia >> driver, but my gut feel at the moment is that T-Bird is doing something >> that affects echoing the keystrokes. I need to do a bit more testing and >> see if I can find the culprit. >> >> > Things to look at: > > (1) Offline storage .. unlikely but possible if slow local disk. > > (2) Try latest 3.1.1.pre from upstream - I have no problems with it > (32 bit only fyi) .. > I think the offline storage is very unlikely as there was not (or should not have been) any disk I/O activity at the times. I don't think there was much downloading of content either. One possibility is to increase the time intervals of when it polls the servers, but usually I am aware of this being done. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
On 6/14/10, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > I can't decide if top posting or folks that don't trim the quoted lines > to two or three lines of context are more annoying. What is whith this? > Have we had the invasion of the lazy people? > > -wolfgang > -- In my case. It is google... It wants to top post.. I have to fight it.. Maybe there is a setting I haven't seen that will bottom post for me.. I much prefer that for technical stuff. (This list) YMMV Marvin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
I blame it on lazy people, busy people, unthinking people and T-1 speeds to the home :) In my case, when I do it, it's the last two items :) On 06/14/2010 02:43 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > I can't decide if top posting or folks that don't trim the quoted lines > to two or three lines of context are more annoying. What is whith this? > Have we had the invasion of the lazy people? > > -wolfgang > -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
top posting flame war (was NFS)
I can't decide if top posting or folks that don't trim the quoted lines to two or three lines of context are more annoying. What is whith this? Have we had the invasion of the lazy people? -wolfgang -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 03:10 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> > I moved to T-Bird from Claws (on Linux of course) a few years ago. I > generally use the version on T-Bird that is on the current Fedora repo. > The freeze condition that I see is just an annoying pain because it > occurs while I am typing. it is possible that the issue may not be > directly related to thunderbird, but possibly something with the nVidia > driver, but my gut feel at the moment is that T-Bird is doing something > that affects echoing the keystrokes. I need to do a bit more testing and > see if I can find the culprit. > Things to look at: (1) Offline storage .. unlikely but possible if slow local disk. (2) Try latest 3.1.1.pre from upstream - I have no problems with it (32 bit only fyi) .. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12/13 network printer oddness
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:52 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: >> I think it has something to do with my wife's laptop but I have no >> idea what's going on. I scanned her IP with nmap and it couldn't find >> any trace that her laptop is even there, however, all network >> connections coming FROM her laptop continue to work fine. > > There are two firewall presets for CUPS, one to use that computer as a > client, the other for if it's a server. You do need to poke a hole in > the firewall for it to work as a client that can find the servers in > your network. I'm not sure if you read the first message, but yes, I have the appropriate holes poked in the firewall. My other desktop (MythTV machine) works fine. I have also verified the firewall with "iptables -S | grep 631" Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
John Austin wrote: > 3. Does setting the "discard" option do everything that is required to enable > TRIM to do its job with no further action? Yes. > > 4. Is it safe to use the "discard" option yet? I am using ext4 on /boot. btrfs on /. No issues with /boot or /. There were a few mailings[1] about performance issues with btrfs, but I have not seen any negative effects in normal desktop usage. [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-bt...@vger.kernel.org/msg03443.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
Tim wrote: > We're likely to have yet another encumbered format > foisted upon everyone, as everyone knows that everyone uses Windows, > with a few Mac users, all of which will get a licensed player... WebM[1] seems to be the likely candidate. Fedora added support for it last week. [1] http://www.webmproject.org/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
Dale, if your statement was directed to my posting... get a better grip.. i was using the well honed process of SARCASM!!! every so often, on god knows how many forum/threads.. the issue of "correct" posting jumps up... those of us who've been using email since the early 80s no longer really care about the "correct" way.. it seems to bite some email police in the butts though! peace! On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > Actually, I have had a rather pleasant conversation with a gentleman > offline. It is folks who post things like this which offer nothing > constructive that encourage a flame war. > > Sometimes if you don't have anything useful to contribute, it's just > best, well, not to contribute. > > On 06/14/2010 01:32 PM, bruce wrote: >> oh my gawd!!! >> >> are we doin a top/bottom post flame war again!!! >> >> alright.. all who are frmo san fran.. which do you like, top, or bottom!! >> >> and what about people who like diagonal posting.. >> >> and how about side posting... for those who can't make up their minds... >> >> any others that have been left out?? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tim wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:07 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: >>> But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. >>> Hmm, couldn't have been a real usenet user then... >>> >>> But, given 15 years, and this being the *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 that I'm on) that insists on this standard, well, do the math. >>> And I've been on dozens of lists, of which none of them used top >>> posting. >>> >>> By the way, despite the "bottom posting" name, the idea is *not* to >>> quote all of the prior message and respond under it. But to remove all >>> of the prior post that isn't needed for your reply. Like I've done. >>> >>> Better still, is to intersperse your responses with the bits you're >>> responded to, like I did (otherwise known as "usenet style" posting). >>> >>> Or, for those cases, where you're replying to a huge amount of waffle >>> that defies easy editing, *briefly* summarise it before your response. >>> Those who really need to see the entire prior message can look at the >>> actual prior message. >>> >>> Then the next person gets to read a coherent conversation, top to >>> bottom, and doesn't have to scroll up and down, all over the place, to >>> make sense of replies disconnected from what they're responding to. >>> >>> order. >>> this >>> in >>> conversations >>> read >>> world >>> western >>> mainstream >>> the >>> in >>> us >>> of >>> None >>> >>> We don't put books back to front, nor the paragraphs. >>> >>> -- >>> [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r >>> 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 >>> >>> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I >>> read messages from the public lists. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> users mailing list >>> users@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >>> >>> > > > -- > Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. > Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." > > --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 > > There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. > -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 03:00 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > On 06/14/2010 01:56 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > >> Thanks Steve, >> but this is currently and has been off forever. >> I also can look at the add-ons. I only have Enigmail (for GNUPG), >> AdblockPlus, Remove duplicates, and English dictionary. I also have >> Thunderbrowse turned on (I thought I had it disabled), but I uninstalled >> it. I don't think that any of these are the culprit. As I did mentioned >> before while selecting a new message, if it is signed, it can take some >> time, but that is a known issue that I choose to live with. All of >> these addons have been installed prior to upgrading to Fedora 13 >> > From my experience with Firefox, perhaps one of the plugins is using > Java and that's the problem? > > Possibly, but at this point I would doubt it. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 01:08 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > On 06/14/2010 12:04 PM, Steven Stern wrote: > >> On 06/14/2010 11:50 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> >> >>> In the past, Thunderbird would freeze temporarily while waiting to >>> obtain a GPG key or to load some graphics. However in Thunderbird 3.04 >>> on Fedora 13 (x86_64) I'm seeing some issues where the screen goes dark, >>> even while I am composing. After a short while, it cathes up. My system >>> is an x86_64 system with 6GB RAM and an AMD quad core processor. I have >>> 2 sources I get email from, (1) gmail via IMAP, (2) my ISP via POP. >>> AFAIK, Thunderbird downloads new email in the background, and has not >>> affected the performance. What is annoying is that this freeze occurs >>> while composing email, so that the other things, like waiting for a GPG >>> key to be downloaded or waiting for a very large email body to display >>> is not in play. I'm looking to see if anyone else is experiencing >>> similar issues for corroboration purposes. For instance, I encountered >>> it this morning before leaving for work. My system was relatively idle >>> with firefox and Gnome-terminal running. I think I had about 3 >>> relatively non-dynamic websites on firefox at the time. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Try turning off global indexing. >> >> EDIT -> PREFERENCES -> ADVANCED -> GENERAL >> >> > I only see the "hang" when I upgrade T-Bird. Once I put up with the > eons that the first access takes, it's pretty easy to live with. > > > I moved to T-Bird from Claws (on Linux of course) a few years ago. I generally use the version on T-Bird that is on the current Fedora repo. The freeze condition that I see is just an annoying pain because it occurs while I am typing. it is possible that the issue may not be directly related to thunderbird, but possibly something with the nVidia driver, but my gut feel at the moment is that T-Bird is doing something that affects echoing the keystrokes. I need to do a bit more testing and see if I can find the culprit. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On 06/14/2010 01:43 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > > Let's not get into a flame war over this. I belong to and run a number > of listservs going back nearly 20 years. Many lists I am on (or have > been on) have the "though shalt not top post" commandment. There is a > sound reasoning for it. While I don't personally care whether a person > top posts or bottom posts, it has been the rule on this list as long as > I can remember. To specifically mention another list, I used to be on > the SuSE Linux English list that had the same rule. > > I have said before, not my list. Ya'll can make whatever rules you wish for whatever reason, it's my privilege or not. However, I've been doing this for a good 30 years. Chastising me for not doing it right every time really isn't going to do anything but frustrate us both. I'd suggest a comment in private is probably a much, much better way of handling this. The old credo is "praise in public, criticize in private". Had the original admonishment been made in private, this would never have gone to the list and it would never have had the potential to turn into a flame war. also, if you've nothing useful to add, refer to my prior post. -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 01:56 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > Thanks Steve, > but this is currently and has been off forever. > I also can look at the add-ons. I only have Enigmail (for GNUPG), > AdblockPlus, Remove duplicates, and English dictionary. I also have > Thunderbrowse turned on (I thought I had it disabled), but I uninstalled > it. I don't think that any of these are the culprit. As I did mentioned > before while selecting a new message, if it is signed, it can take some > time, but that is a known issue that I choose to live with. All of > these addons have been installed prior to upgrading to Fedora 13 From my experience with Firefox, perhaps one of the plugins is using Java and that's the problem? -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12/13 network printer oddness
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:52 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > I think it has something to do with my wife's laptop but I have no > idea what's going on. I scanned her IP with nmap and it couldn't find > any trace that her laptop is even there, however, all network > connections coming FROM her laptop continue to work fine. There are two firewall presets for CUPS, one to use that computer as a client, the other for if it's a server. You do need to poke a hole in the firewall for it to work as a client that can find the servers in your network. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 01:04 PM, Steven Stern wrote: > On 06/14/2010 11:50 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > >> In the past, Thunderbird would freeze temporarily while waiting to >> obtain a GPG key or to load some graphics. However in Thunderbird 3.04 >> on Fedora 13 (x86_64) I'm seeing some issues where the screen goes dark, >> even while I am composing. After a short while, it cathes up. My system >> is an x86_64 system with 6GB RAM and an AMD quad core processor. I have >> 2 sources I get email from, (1) gmail via IMAP, (2) my ISP via POP. >> AFAIK, Thunderbird downloads new email in the background, and has not >> affected the performance. What is annoying is that this freeze occurs >> while composing email, so that the other things, like waiting for a GPG >> key to be downloaded or waiting for a very large email body to display >> is not in play. I'm looking to see if anyone else is experiencing >> similar issues for corroboration purposes. For instance, I encountered >> it this morning before leaving for work. My system was relatively idle >> with firefox and Gnome-terminal running. I think I had about 3 >> relatively non-dynamic websites on firefox at the time. >> >> >> > Try turning off global indexing. > > EDIT -> PREFERENCES -> ADVANCED -> GENERAL > > Thanks Steve, but this is currently and has been off forever. I also can look at the add-ons. I only have Enigmail (for GNUPG), AdblockPlus, Remove duplicates, and English dictionary. I also have Thunderbrowse turned on (I thought I had it disabled), but I uninstalled it. I don't think that any of these are the culprit. As I did mentioned before while selecting a new message, if it is signed, it can take some time, but that is a known issue that I choose to live with. All of these addons have been installed prior to upgrading to Fedora 13. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
Actually, I have had a rather pleasant conversation with a gentleman offline. It is folks who post things like this which offer nothing constructive that encourage a flame war. Sometimes if you don't have anything useful to contribute, it's just best, well, not to contribute. On 06/14/2010 01:32 PM, bruce wrote: > oh my gawd!!! > > are we doin a top/bottom post flame war again!!! > > alright.. all who are frmo san fran.. which do you like, top, or bottom!! > > and what about people who like diagonal posting.. > > and how about side posting... for those who can't make up their minds... > > any others that have been left out?? > > > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tim wrote: > >> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:07 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: >> >>> But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're >>> fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. >>> >> Hmm, couldn't have been a real usenet user then... >> >> >>> But, given 15 years, and this being the *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 >>> that I'm on) that insists on this standard, well, do the math. >>> >> And I've been on dozens of lists, of which none of them used top >> posting. >> >> By the way, despite the "bottom posting" name, the idea is *not* to >> quote all of the prior message and respond under it. But to remove all >> of the prior post that isn't needed for your reply. Like I've done. >> >> Better still, is to intersperse your responses with the bits you're >> responded to, like I did (otherwise known as "usenet style" posting). >> >> Or, for those cases, where you're replying to a huge amount of waffle >> that defies easy editing, *briefly* summarise it before your response. >> Those who really need to see the entire prior message can look at the >> actual prior message. >> >> Then the next person gets to read a coherent conversation, top to >> bottom, and doesn't have to scroll up and down, all over the place, to >> make sense of replies disconnected from what they're responding to. >> >> order. >> this >> in >> conversations >> read >> world >> western >> mainstream >> the >> in >> us >> of >> None >> >> We don't put books back to front, nor the paragraphs. >> >> -- >> [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r >> 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 >> >> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I >> read messages from the public lists. >> >> >> >> -- >> users mailing list >> users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe or change subscription options: >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> >> -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Anyone got sound with Intel ICH10 chipset? (stopped after F13 upgrade)
Digging into this further, I'm seeing that "Phonon" is the culprit here... If I use mplayer, rhythmbox, or banshee to pump audio through PulseAudio, it works fine. Amarok (and all of KDE for that matter), when pumping audio through Phonon, gets all botched up. For fun, I tried updating to the latest KDE/Qt packages in "updates-testing", but they exhibit the same problem; stuttered audio on second song, sometimes requiring me to quit and restart Amarok before I can get it back on track (ooh, for all of _one_ song). :| On June 10, 2010, Graham TerMarsch wrote: > Before filing a bug I thought I'd ask and see if anyone here has got sound > working on Fedora-13 using an Intel ICH10 chipset. > > When I'd installed Fedora-12 on it last time I remember having to go > through some grief in getting PulseAudio working with it, but once I > followed the instructions online it worked great so I never thought about > it again. > > After having re-installed fresh with Fedora-13, though, audio isn't working > worth a ding. Sounds play, but stutter regularly. The more sounds you get > queued up, the worse it gets (e.g. when I scroll the wheel to change > desktops and it goes "bing" for each switch; worked great under F12 but > stutters and then stalls under F13). > > Most annoying of all, music w/Amarok only plays *one* song reliably. After > the song has ended, every song thereafter is out of sync and stutters > horribly. > > I'm running F13, 64-bit, using KDE-4.4.3 as my desktop. Motherboard is a > Gigabyte PE45-UD3P, with an Intel 82801JI (ICH10 Family) chipset, using > ALC889A codec. > > I've tried switching the Phonon engine from "Xine" to "Gstreamer" and back, > but the problem exists with both engines. > > I've tried "tsched=0" but that made things worse, with sounds not only > stuttering but also increasing in pitch. > > I've had a look at the h/w list for snd_hda_intel to see if any of the > quirks devices listed there were close to this one, but didn't see > anything that looked close. > > I've tried copying over the config I had on my old machine for PulseAudio > and ALSA, but that didn't make any difference either. > > So anyone out there got this working and would care to share the > secret? Or, shall I file a bug? :( -- Graham TerMarsch -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On 06/14/2010 01:07 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > > Yeah, just caught that after I hit send. > > But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're > fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. > > I frankly think such control is a bit Draconian, but it's not my list, > so, I'll do the best I can. But, given 15 years, and this being the > *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 that I'm on) that insists on this standard, > well, do the math. > > Let's not get into a flame war over this. I belong to and run a number of listservs going back nearly 20 years. Many lists I am on (or have been on) have the "though shalt not top post" commandment. There is a sound reasoning for it. While I don't personally care whether a person top posts or bottom posts, it has been the rule on this list as long as I can remember. To specifically mention another list, I used to be on the SuSE Linux English list that had the same rule. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
oh my gawd!!! are we doin a top/bottom post flame war again!!! alright.. all who are frmo san fran.. which do you like, top, or bottom!! and what about people who like diagonal posting.. and how about side posting... for those who can't make up their minds... any others that have been left out?? On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:07 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: >> But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're >> fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. > > Hmm, couldn't have been a real usenet user then... > >> But, given 15 years, and this being the *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 >> that I'm on) that insists on this standard, well, do the math. > > And I've been on dozens of lists, of which none of them used top > posting. > > By the way, despite the "bottom posting" name, the idea is *not* to > quote all of the prior message and respond under it. But to remove all > of the prior post that isn't needed for your reply. Like I've done. > > Better still, is to intersperse your responses with the bits you're > responded to, like I did (otherwise known as "usenet style" posting). > > Or, for those cases, where you're replying to a huge amount of waffle > that defies easy editing, *briefly* summarise it before your response. > Those who really need to see the entire prior message can look at the > actual prior message. > > Then the next person gets to read a coherent conversation, top to > bottom, and doesn't have to scroll up and down, all over the place, to > make sense of replies disconnected from what they're responding to. > > order. > this > in > conversations > read > world > western > mainstream > the > in > us > of > None > > We don't put books back to front, nor the paragraphs. > > -- > [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I > read messages from the public lists. > > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Subject: Subject: Re: Amazing problem of /boot
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 18:33 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > but if we have more kernels, it occupies more space, may be less, > though it may be good for testing purpose but for disk utility is it > okay always to have more than one kernel? I think some meaning is getting lost in translation. Unless you're running out of free space, or updates take too long to complete (as the computer has more files to compare), it's useful to keep more kernels. Only the one that you booted from is used, at the time. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:07 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're > fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. Hmm, couldn't have been a real usenet user then... > But, given 15 years, and this being the *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 > that I'm on) that insists on this standard, well, do the math. And I've been on dozens of lists, of which none of them used top posting. By the way, despite the "bottom posting" name, the idea is *not* to quote all of the prior message and respond under it. But to remove all of the prior post that isn't needed for your reply. Like I've done. Better still, is to intersperse your responses with the bits you're responded to, like I did (otherwise known as "usenet style" posting). Or, for those cases, where you're replying to a huge amount of waffle that defies easy editing, *briefly* summarise it before your response. Those who really need to see the entire prior message can look at the actual prior message. Then the next person gets to read a coherent conversation, top to bottom, and doesn't have to scroll up and down, all over the place, to make sense of replies disconnected from what they're responding to. order. this in conversations read world western mainstream the in us of None We don't put books back to front, nor the paragraphs. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: upgrading webcam....and pulseaudio
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:05:05 +0200 antonio montagnani wrote: > If webcam is connected to an USB portafter start-up, system seems to > work properly. > Any suggestion, any bug to file??? I've always had to create a modprobe.d config file to force the order of audio device assignment to be consistent regardless of what is plugged or unplugged at boot time. My /etc/modprobe.d/usbmic.conf file looks like: alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel options snd-hda-intel index=0 options and-card-0 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-ca0106 options snd-ca0106 index=1 options snd-card-1 index=1 alias snd-card-2 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio index=2 options and-card-2 index=2 (which, not that I look at it doesn't necessarily make any sense, but for some reason it seems to work. I have a feeling that those "and-card" entries are typos and should be "snd-card" :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:32 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > By that time, if Adobe is true to form, HTML5 will be fully > implemented and out for two years, and there'll be no need Flash > anymore. ;-) Praise the day! Wishful thinking, because all the pre-existing sites full of Flash will not be converted for you. Though I agree with the sentiment, it would be good to do without the unnecessary use of Flash. However I don't see the replacement doing away with encumbered data formats, ogg theora got dropped as the multi-media format. We're likely to have yet another encumbered format foisted upon everyone, as everyone knows that everyone uses Windows, with a few Mac users, all of which will get a licensed player... -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
upgrading webcam....and pulseaudio
I bought a microsoft VX5000 USB webcam (with integrated mike) replacing an old logitech device with no mike. Now when it is connected at start-up my system doesn't see the audio chip (ICH5), i.e. it is listed in lspci but not available in pulseaudio, therefore I do not have any sound at all (no music, no skype,etc..) If webcam is connected to an USB portafter start-up, system seems to work properly. Any suggestion, any bug to file??? -- Antonio Prima di stampare pensa all'ambiente Think about environment before printing Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora 13 Goddard on Casa Linux user number 362582 http://www.campingmonterosa.com http://www.studiodacolpaloschi.it --- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:07 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > On 06/14/2010 11:57 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > > On 06/14/2010 12:54 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > > > >> Ga > >> > >> I was wondering why I had to scroll past pages to find the newly added > >> part of the conversation. Having to scroll past pages of content isn't the fault of top-posting. It's the fault of posters being too lazy to edit their quoted material down to the part they are actually replying to. > >> Since it appears to be the rules, sure, but, gakk! See below. > >> On 06/14/2010 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:25 -0400, Ray Pittigher wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients > are doing from the server side? > > > > >>> [Please don't top-post, on this list. See the Guidelines] > >>> > >>> > > Then why are you choosing to violate the no top posting rule. > > > > > Yeah, just caught that after I hit send. > > But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're > fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. Perhaps you mean 15 years of using Outlook or corresponding with Outlook users. AFAIK top-posting is a creation of MS and is used largely in the business community, where the culture doesn't seem to understand the concept of threads or archiving and finds it necessary to copy every previous message when composing a reply. That's not the case on this list and the practice is widely disliked. > I frankly think such control is a bit Draconian, but it's not my list, > so, I'll do the best I can. But, given 15 years, and this being the > *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 that I'm on) that insists on this standard, > well, do the math. It's a guideline. No-one is enforcing it except by social pressure, same as with not hijacking threads or not posting HTML. That said, people who follow the guidelines have a better chance of being listened to. Not annoying the people you talk with is a good policy in general. For example, in private conversations I often use top-posting since it's what some people expect. List traffic is a different beast. And it's not an uncommon policy. In fact every Internet list of technical content I'm on follows the "no top-posting" policy, either through explicit guidelines or via tacit convention. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Shotwell -- not support .gif and .png?
I decided to compare shotwell to f-spot and had it import the files in ~/Photos that had been managed by f-spot. At the end, it failed to import all .gif and .png files. If shotwell is the default image manager for F13, how can it ignore these formats? -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 10:37 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: >> None of my code ended up in the rewrite but the --test and --disk-start >> options were my ideas. >> >> I'm not sure if I did something wrong but when I tried to use it to >> backup my pictures I ended up a disc short. I had ~21GB to backup on 5 >> discs and only 4 were burned. Like I said, I'm not sure if it's a bug >> or something I did so I'm very interested in your results. > > Richard, > > I sent James a very long epistle detailing the problems I encountered. > > --test didn't work for me, and my indicated 14-disc set ended up burning > only 13. I had to reduce the DVD+R size in the .ini file from 4.377G to > 4.365G to avoid overflow. I thought that might increase the disc count, > but it didn't. Looks like it wasn't just me then. I'll take a look as the code and see if it is something I can figure out. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 12:04 PM, Steven Stern wrote: > On 06/14/2010 11:50 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > >> In the past, Thunderbird would freeze temporarily while waiting to >> obtain a GPG key or to load some graphics. However in Thunderbird 3.04 >> on Fedora 13 (x86_64) I'm seeing some issues where the screen goes dark, >> even while I am composing. After a short while, it cathes up. My system >> is an x86_64 system with 6GB RAM and an AMD quad core processor. I have >> 2 sources I get email from, (1) gmail via IMAP, (2) my ISP via POP. >> AFAIK, Thunderbird downloads new email in the background, and has not >> affected the performance. What is annoying is that this freeze occurs >> while composing email, so that the other things, like waiting for a GPG >> key to be downloaded or waiting for a very large email body to display >> is not in play. I'm looking to see if anyone else is experiencing >> similar issues for corroboration purposes. For instance, I encountered >> it this morning before leaving for work. My system was relatively idle >> with firefox and Gnome-terminal running. I think I had about 3 >> relatively non-dynamic websites on firefox at the time. >> >> >> > Try turning off global indexing. > > EDIT -> PREFERENCES -> ADVANCED -> GENERAL > I only see the "hang" when I upgrade T-Bird. Once I put up with the eons that the first access takes, it's pretty easy to live with. -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On 06/14/2010 11:57 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 06/14/2010 12:54 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > >> Ga >> >> I was wondering why I had to scroll past pages to find the newly added >> part of the conversation. >> >> Since it appears to be the rules, sure, but, gakk! >> >> On 06/14/2010 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >> >>> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:25 -0400, Ray Pittigher wrote: >>> >>> >>> Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients are doing from the server side? >>> [Please don't top-post, on this list. See the Guidelines] >>> >>> > Then why are you choosing to violate the no top posting rule. > > Yeah, just caught that after I hit send. But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. I frankly think such control is a bit Draconian, but it's not my list, so, I'll do the best I can. But, given 15 years, and this being the *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 that I'm on) that insists on this standard, well, do the math. -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 11:50 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > In the past, Thunderbird would freeze temporarily while waiting to > obtain a GPG key or to load some graphics. However in Thunderbird 3.04 > on Fedora 13 (x86_64) I'm seeing some issues where the screen goes dark, > even while I am composing. After a short while, it cathes up. My system > is an x86_64 system with 6GB RAM and an AMD quad core processor. I have > 2 sources I get email from, (1) gmail via IMAP, (2) my ISP via POP. > AFAIK, Thunderbird downloads new email in the background, and has not > affected the performance. What is annoying is that this freeze occurs > while composing email, so that the other things, like waiting for a GPG > key to be downloaded or waiting for a very large email body to display > is not in play. I'm looking to see if anyone else is experiencing > similar issues for corroboration purposes. For instance, I encountered > it this morning before leaving for work. My system was relatively idle > with firefox and Gnome-terminal running. I think I had about 3 > relatively non-dynamic websites on firefox at the time. > > Try turning off global indexing. EDIT -> PREFERENCES -> ADVANCED -> GENERAL -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On 06/14/2010 12:54 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > Ga > > I was wondering why I had to scroll past pages to find the newly added > part of the conversation. > > Since it appears to be the rules, sure, but, gakk! > > On 06/14/2010 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:25 -0400, Ray Pittigher wrote: >> >> >>> Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients >>> are doing from the server side? >>> >>> >> [Please don't top-post, on this list. See the Guidelines] >> Then why are you choosing to violate the no top posting rule. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
Ga I was wondering why I had to scroll past pages to find the newly added part of the conversation. Since it appears to be the rules, sure, but, gakk! On 06/14/2010 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:25 -0400, Ray Pittigher wrote: > >> Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients >> are doing from the server side? >> > [Please don't top-post, on this list. See the Guidelines] > > AFAIK there is no general solution to this. As has already been noted, > NFS started life as a stateless server and some clients are still going > to use it that way since it has efficiency benefits among others. IOW > the server doesn't *know* what clients are "using" it, because the > server has no state to represent the fact that a file was opened by a > client but not yet closed. The client side does of course have open > files, but that's handled internally in the client kernel. > > NFSv4 changes this somewhat, but not all the time and not in every > situation. > > poc > > -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
In the past, Thunderbird would freeze temporarily while waiting to obtain a GPG key or to load some graphics. However in Thunderbird 3.04 on Fedora 13 (x86_64) I'm seeing some issues where the screen goes dark, even while I am composing. After a short while, it cathes up. My system is an x86_64 system with 6GB RAM and an AMD quad core processor. I have 2 sources I get email from, (1) gmail via IMAP, (2) my ISP via POP. AFAIK, Thunderbird downloads new email in the background, and has not affected the performance. What is annoying is that this freeze occurs while composing email, so that the other things, like waiting for a GPG key to be downloaded or waiting for a very large email body to display is not in play. I'm looking to see if anyone else is experiencing similar issues for corroboration purposes. For instance, I encountered it this morning before leaving for work. My system was relatively idle with firefox and Gnome-terminal running. I think I had about 3 relatively non-dynamic websites on firefox at the time. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:25 -0400, Ray Pittigher wrote: > Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients > are doing from the server side? [Please don't top-post, on this list. See the Guidelines] AFAIK there is no general solution to this. As has already been noted, NFS started life as a stateless server and some clients are still going to use it that way since it has efficiency benefits among others. IOW the server doesn't *know* what clients are "using" it, because the server has no state to represent the fact that a file was opened by a client but not yet closed. The client side does of course have open files, but that's handled internally in the client kernel. NFSv4 changes this somewhat, but not all the time and not in every situation. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
