Re: Gnome3 - Forced Fallback Mode

[Jatin K]

On Saturday 31 December 2011 12:18 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

I've been running Fedora 9 thru 14 in my lab over the years, but
these issues have me stumped.

Gnome3 works fine on some of my systems, but unfortunately my
classrooms machines with Nvidia Geoforce FX 5200 cards it only
works about 80%.



***curiosity***

how did you measure  the working condition of a Graphics Card percentage 
wise  ???


80% ... what does it mean ???

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Re: F16 - a good experience - except Zenbook trackpad + couple of other things

[Philip Rhoades]

Mike,


On 2011-12-31 08:52, mike cloaked wrote:
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Philip Rhoades  
wrote:



+1 from me too but has anyone got a solution to the Zenbook trackpad
hassles? (I am using XFCE) out and also:



What particular issues are you having with the trackpad - I don't 
have

that particular machine but I have startup commands to set touchpad
parameters using
1) Edits to the 50-synaptics file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/*conf
along the lines of:
Section "InputClass"
Identifier "touchpad catchall"
MatchIsTouchpad "on"
MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
Option "TapButton1" "1"
Option "TapButton2" "2"
Option "TapButton3" "3"
EndSection

This allows the touchpad to work even at the login greeter.

and
2) In the start menu I have separate items such as



Which file is that? - it doesn't look like it should be:

  /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu

Thanks,

Phil.



synclient TapButton1=1
synclient VertEdgeScroll=1

and also to disable touchpad clicks whilst typing but keep touchpad
dragging unaffected I have another line like:
syndaemon -t -k -i 1 -d

This ensures the touchpad functions I want still work in my xfce 
desktop.


Something similar may help you if these kinds of function are needed
on your system?


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Gnome3 - Forced Fallback Mode

[Michael D. Setzer II]

I've been running Fedora 9 thru 14 in my lab over the years, but 
these issues have me stumped.

Gnome3 works fine on some of my systems, but unfortunately my 
classrooms machines with Nvidia Geoforce FX 5200 cards it only 
works about 80%.

I've tired using gnome-tweak-tool, gconf-editor, and dconf-editor, 
but have failed to find a solution that completely works.

gnome-tweak-tool comes the closest with using the Font option 
and then changing the Text scaling factor to something else and 
then back to 1.0. This will fix the text on the top panel/bar and the 
gnome3 application list will show the text correctly in the far right 
panel, but it does not stay set after a logout and requires manually 
doing it after the next sign in.

Tried using strace to send the output to a file, but in just making 
that one change it produced ofter 200,000 lines of output. Lots of 
gettimeofday lines and others that I was able to filter out, but still 
left me with 10,000 lines that did seem to have anything obvious 
that might be a way to automate this process. 

The gconf-editor and dconf-editor had lots of options, but none 
seemed to be what I was looking for. There was a scaling factor, 
but it didn't make the process work.

Setting the Forced Fallback mode does get it working with the old 
menu style, but loses the gnome3, which seems to work mostly? 
But this still leaves the sign on screen with issues.

Then Sign in screen has the top panel/bar with what looks like 
light and dark brown lines going across the screen. The date/time 
is all bunched up in the center and most characters are 
unreadable. The 3 icons on the right are also messed up, but 
mousing over them gets them to display properly while over them.
Click on the date/time displays the calander, but only parts of it 
displays correctly. What should be Saturday December 31, 2011 
shows up withurd y December   , 20  . With the missing 
charcters as blurred versions. The calendar below shows all the 
text and numbers fine. In the Sign in Panel itself the Fedora Icon 
shows up again as a number of brown lines at the moment, but it 
sometimes has different colores, and sometines blocks of various 
colors rather and the image. One time it did show the image 
correctly, and the names were showing up in the older style, but 
then a restart went back to the gnome3 style. 
 



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Re: Listings Question About Ping

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 12/23/2011 6:56 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:


It is not the blinking that bothers me. Its the impossibility of reading
the file names in some colors. Black letters on a red background is a
good example.


Someone asked me to post if I found anything interesting on this thread. 
I already posted that potentially my problem with "colored ls's" exists 
because of protection issues when moving a cygwin file to a fedora box.


Well, I am still waiting for Best Buy to return my primary Linux box 
(online they claim its been fixed and is heading back to the store which 
supports my theory that it is a hardware, and potentially HP, whatever-up).


But I did notice tonight when trying to move a cygwin directory to a 
backup F14 box that 1) I am definitely seeing representational issue 
with how cygwin gets permissions and 2) a broken link on a Fedora box 
show up as red on black .. no blinking (I am tempted to caps that bit).


I might be dealing with a cygwin ssh view of a fedora box (you might 
gather that I don't have visual access to the fedora box ... lean times 
require lean setups which I do hope to change by begiining of the new year).


But, I need an example from the community of a "ls" showing a blinking 
item to understand why it might make sense.


Best,
Paul

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Re: Parallel Port Issues SOLVED

[Mark LaPierre]

On 12/30/2011 11:05 PM, Patrick Lists wrote:

On 31-12-11 04:48, Mark LaPierre wrote:


Anyone know how to find out if the parallel port is recognized? I have a
parallel port printer connected to my machine but I can't seem to get it
working.


It's been ages since I used a parallel port so not sure but have you
checked /var/log/messages? If there's nothing in there maybe turn the
printer off and on again while doing $ sudo tail -f /var/log/messages
and see if there's any output. Do you have the appropriate kernel
modules loaded like lp, parport and parport_pc?

$ modinfo lp
filename: /lib/modules/3.1.6-1.fc16.x86_64/kernel/drivers/char/lp.ko
license: GPL
alias: char-major-6-*
srcversion: 27AEFDE12562FE797EC95EE
depends: parport
vermagic: 3.1.6-1.fc16.x86_64 SMP mod_unload
parm: parport:array of charp
parm: reset:bool

$ modinfo parport_pc
filename:
/lib/modules/3.1.6-1.fc16.x86_64/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.ko
license: GPL
description: PC-style parallel port driver
author: Phil Blundell, Tim Waugh, others
srcversion: CF8320136E57DFCBBECA782
alias: acpi*:PNP0401:*
alias: pnp:dPNP0401*
alias: acpi*:PNP0400:*
alias: pnp:dPNP0400*
alias: pci:v135Cd0278sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9865svA000sd2000bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9865svA000sd1000bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9901svA000sd2000bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9815sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9805sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9755sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9715sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9705sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v14F2d0121sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v416Cd0100sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415dC11Csv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415dC118sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415dC114sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415dC110sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415dC104sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415dC100sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415dC004sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415dC000sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415d8403sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415d9513sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1415d9523sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v14DBd2121sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v14DBd2120sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9815sv1000sd0020bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v9710d9805sv1000sd0010bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v14D2d8001sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1592d0783sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1592d0782sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd9018bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd0104bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd0103bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd0102bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd0101bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v10B5d9050svD84Dsd4014bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1407d8800sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1407d8003sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1407d8002sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1407d8000sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v131Fd2021sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v131Fd2020sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v131Fd1021sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v131Fd1020sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1283d8872sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1106d8231sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias: pci:v1106d0686sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
depends: parport
vermagic: 3.1.6-1.fc16.x86_64 SMP mod_unload
parm: io:Base I/O address (SPP regs) (array of int)
parm: io_hi:Base I/O address (ECR) (array of int)
parm: irq:IRQ line (array of charp)
parm: dma:DMA channel (array of charp)
parm: init_mode:Initialise mode for VIA VT8231 port (spp, ps2, epp, ecp
or ecpepp) (charp)

There are various lp* commands that might help once you have made sure
the appropriate kernel modules are loaded, the parallel port is
recognized by the kernel and active and the cable and printer are ok:
lpstat, lpadmin, lpinfo. They are part of the cups rpm. $ rpm -ql cups
should give you a nice overview of available lp* files.

If all seems ok maybe try $ sudo system-config-printer to add it. I did
not see a way to add a parallel printer but I don't have one so maybe
it's detected dynamic.

Regards,
Patrick


Hey Patrick,

Thanks for the help.  I found the problem and it had nothing to do with 
the PPort.  The problem was with CUPS.  When it installed the filters it 
didn't do in under root ownership so none of it worked because it wasn't 
owned by root.  "chown -R root:root cups" fixed it all better.


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Mounting Motorola Atrix under Linux

[Wade Hampton]

Problem fixed by cycling power on phone  Both
partitions are now mountable so all is well.

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Re: Question about hard disk installation

[alick]

于 2011年12月31日 12:00, Craig White 写道:
> On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 11:31 +0800, alick wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a question about installing Fedora from hard disk.
>>
>> I downloaded a DVD iso, extract vmlinuz and initrd.img to
>> partition A, then I put iso file onto partition B.
>>
>> Since I have grub (grub1) from old version of Fedora, I can
>> use it to boot extracted vmlinuz, and start my installation.
>>
>> I already know that partition B should be ext2/3/4 or FAT, and
>> should never be formatted during installation.
> 
> why do you say - should never be formatted during installation? Default
> installation would normally reformat any partitions you designate for
> use and it's the only way to ensure that the install is clean.
> 
In my mind, during installing from hard drive, the software should be
copied from the partition which holds the ISO file. In case this
partition get reformatted at partitioning procedure, software then can
not be found. Is it so?

> Note that the 'format' is a quick format.
> 
> Would advise against FAT volumes for Linux use except in some
> 'dual-boot' instances.
> 
>>  Now I wonder
>> what requirements should partition A have. Can partition A be
>> formatted during installation? Is it necessary A is ext3/4?
>> Is it better that A is the same as B?
> 
> each partition is evaluated/used on it's own and can be any supported
> filesystem without regard to any other used. That said, the partition
> used for /boot should be ext2, ext3 or ext4 and it would appear that
> ext4 is now the default for /boot.
> 
>> Note: yeah I indeed have installed Fedora 16. During my installation
>> partition A is a small not-used ext3 partition. The installation
>> works as expected. Now I just want to know whether partition A
>> can be say my old / partition(which will be formatted).
> 
> partition A, B are vague references that don't have any particular
> meaning to me.
> 
Well, I use partition A to denote the partition which holds vmlinuz file
extracted from the ISO file. And I use partition B to denote the
partition which holds the ISO file. Hope I explain better.

> are you sure that partition A isn't being used in some fashion?
> 
> At any rate, if you are doing a complete/clean install, you would
> probably by default end up with 2 partitions... /boot (approximately
> 500M) and the rest of the hard drive which is one large lvm which would
> have lvm partitions for root (/) and swap and possibly /home
I have used Fedora for a while and now I normally do not use the default
partition scheme. I have an separated /home partition.
> 
> [...]

Sorry for my not-good English.

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Re: Question about hard disk installation

[alick]

于 2011年12月31日 11:46, Mark LaPierre 写道:
> On 12/30/2011 10:31 PM, alick wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a question about installing Fedora from hard disk.
>>
>> I downloaded a DVD iso, extract vmlinuz and initrd.img to
>> partition A, then I put iso file onto partition B.
>>
>> Since I have grub (grub1) from old version of Fedora, I can
>> use it to boot extracted vmlinuz, and start my installation.
>>
>> I already know that partition B should be ext2/3/4 or FAT, and
>> should never be formatted during installation. Now I wonder
>> what requirements should partition A have. Can partition A be
>> formatted during installation? Is it necessary A is ext3/4?
>> Is it better that A is the same as B?
>>
>> Note: yeah I indeed have installed Fedora 16. During my installation
>> partition A is a small not-used ext3 partition. The installation
>> works as expected. Now I just want to know whether partition A
>> can be say my old / partition(which will be formatted).
>>
>> Note again: this is my first post here. If this question is asked
>> and answered before, hope someone can point me there.
> 
> If all you have in this partition is the vmlinuz and initrd.img files
> you can do anything you want to the partition after you are booted into
> the system.  The vmlinuz file is uncompressed into a ramdisk on boot up
> so it is no longer needed on the HD.
> 
Thank you! This clear my doubts :)

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Mounting Motorola Atrix under Linux

[Wade Hampton]

Happy New Year.

I have a Motorola Atrix and an Atrix 2.  Both have internal and
external SD cards.  Plugging them into my Fedora 16 64-bit
both are recognized but only the external is mounted.  I can't
even manually mount the internal one.

One post I saw indicated that CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y
must be set when building the kernel.  I am on 3.1.6-1.fc16.x86_64.
AFIK it is set in the .config as provided by the kernel source RPM.

On my earlier Fedora (14 or 15, i386), both partitions were
mounted.  Both partitions are visible under Windows.
A test on an updated F14 shows only one is mounted, however.

From dmesg:

[ 9026.657123] usb 2-2: new high speed USB device number 23 using ehci_hcd
[ 9026.785933] usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=22b8, idProduct=7087
[ 9026.785943] usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[ 9026.785950] usb 2-2: Product: MB860
[ 9026.785955] usb 2-2: Manufacturer: Motorola
[ 9026.785960] usb 2-2: SerialNumber:  [REDACTED]
[ 9026.792361] scsi16 : usb-storage 2-2:1.0
[ 9027.799174] scsi 16:0:0:0: Direct-Access Motorola MB860
    PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
[ 9027.800260] scsi 16:0:0:1: Direct-Access Motorola MB860
    PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
[ 9027.802140] sd 16:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[ 9027.802674] sd 16:0:0:1: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0
[ 9027.824870] sd 16:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[ 9027.826869] sd 16:0:0:1: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
[ 9044.467450] sd 16:0:0:1: [sdc] 31116288 512-byte logical blocks:
(15.9 GB/14.8 GiB)
[ 9044.469565] sd 16:0:0:1: [sdc] No Caching mode page present
[ 9044.469575] sd 16:0:0:1: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through
[ 9044.474565] sd 16:0:0:1: [sdc] No Caching mode page present
[ 9044.474573] sd 16:0:0:1: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through

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Re: Parallel Port Issues

[Patrick Lists]

On 31-12-11 04:48, Mark LaPierre wrote:


Anyone know how to find out if the parallel port is recognized? I have a
parallel port printer connected to my machine but I can't seem to get it
working.


It's been ages since I used a parallel port so not sure but have you 
checked /var/log/messages? If there's nothing in there maybe turn the 
printer off and on again while doing $ sudo tail -f /var/log/messages 
and see if there's any output. Do you have the appropriate kernel 
modules loaded like lp, parport and parport_pc?


$ modinfo lp
filename:   /lib/modules/3.1.6-1.fc16.x86_64/kernel/drivers/char/lp.ko
license:GPL
alias:  char-major-6-*
srcversion: 27AEFDE12562FE797EC95EE
depends:parport
vermagic:   3.1.6-1.fc16.x86_64 SMP mod_unload
parm:   parport:array of charp
parm:   reset:bool

$ modinfo parport_pc
filename: 
/lib/modules/3.1.6-1.fc16.x86_64/kernel/drivers/parport/parport_pc.ko

license:GPL
description:PC-style parallel port driver
author: Phil Blundell, Tim Waugh, others
srcversion: CF8320136E57DFCBBECA782
alias:  acpi*:PNP0401:*
alias:  pnp:dPNP0401*
alias:  acpi*:PNP0400:*
alias:  pnp:dPNP0400*
alias:  pci:v135Cd0278sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9865svA000sd2000bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9865svA000sd1000bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9901svA000sd2000bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9815sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9805sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9755sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9715sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9705sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v14F2d0121sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v416Cd0100sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415dC11Csv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415dC118sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415dC114sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415dC110sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415dC104sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415dC100sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415dC004sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415dC000sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415d8403sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415d9513sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1415d9523sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v14DBd2121sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v14DBd2120sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9815sv1000sd0020bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v9710d9805sv1000sd0010bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v14D2d8001sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1592d0783sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1592d0782sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd9018bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd0104bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd0103bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd0102bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1409d7268sv1409sd0101bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v10B5d9050svD84Dsd4014bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1407d8800sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1407d8003sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1407d8002sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1407d8000sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v131Fd2021sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v131Fd2020sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v131Fd1021sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v131Fd1020sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1283d8872sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1106d8231sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v1106d0686sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
depends:parport
vermagic:   3.1.6-1.fc16.x86_64 SMP mod_unload
parm:   io:Base I/O address (SPP regs) (array of int)
parm:   io_hi:Base I/O address (ECR) (array of int)
parm:   irq:IRQ line (array of charp)
parm:   dma:DMA channel (array of charp)
parm:   init_mode:Initialise mode for VIA VT8231 port (spp, ps2, 
epp, ecp or ecpepp) (charp)


There are various lp* commands that might help once you have made sure 
the appropriate kernel modules are loaded, the parallel port is 
recognized by the kernel and active and the cable and printer are ok: 
lpstat, lpadmin, lpinfo. They are part of the cups rpm. $ rpm -ql cups 
should give you a nice overview of available lp* files.


If all seems ok maybe try $ sudo system-config-printer to add it. I did 
not see a way to add a parallel printer but I don't have one so maybe 
it's detected dynamic.


Regards,
Patrick
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Re: Question about hard disk installation

[Craig White]

On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 11:31 +0800, alick wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a question about installing Fedora from hard disk.
> 
> I downloaded a DVD iso, extract vmlinuz and initrd.img to
> partition A, then I put iso file onto partition B.
> 
> Since I have grub (grub1) from old version of Fedora, I can
> use it to boot extracted vmlinuz, and start my installation.
> 
> I already know that partition B should be ext2/3/4 or FAT, and
> should never be formatted during installation.

why do you say - should never be formatted during installation? Default
installation would normally reformat any partitions you designate for
use and it's the only way to ensure that the install is clean.

Note that the 'format' is a quick format.

Would advise against FAT volumes for Linux use except in some
'dual-boot' instances.

>  Now I wonder
> what requirements should partition A have. Can partition A be
> formatted during installation? Is it necessary A is ext3/4?
> Is it better that A is the same as B?

each partition is evaluated/used on it's own and can be any supported
filesystem without regard to any other used. That said, the partition
used for /boot should be ext2, ext3 or ext4 and it would appear that
ext4 is now the default for /boot.

> Note: yeah I indeed have installed Fedora 16. During my installation
> partition A is a small not-used ext3 partition. The installation
> works as expected. Now I just want to know whether partition A
> can be say my old / partition(which will be formatted).

partition A, B are vague references that don't have any particular
meaning to me.

are you sure that partition A isn't being used in some fashion?

At any rate, if you are doing a complete/clean install, you would
probably by default end up with 2 partitions... /boot (approximately
500M) and the rest of the hard drive which is one large lvm which would
have lvm partitions for root (/) and swap and possibly /home

> Note again: this is my first post here. If this question is asked
> and answered before, hope someone can point me there.

probably most questions have already been asked and answered here in
some form.

Craig



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Parallel Port Issues

[Mark LaPierre]

Anyone know how to find out if the parallel port is recognized?  I have 
a parallel port printer connected to my machine but I can't seem to get 
it working.


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Re: Question about hard disk installation

[Mark LaPierre]

On 12/30/2011 10:31 PM, alick wrote:

Hi all,

I have a question about installing Fedora from hard disk.

I downloaded a DVD iso, extract vmlinuz and initrd.img to
partition A, then I put iso file onto partition B.

Since I have grub (grub1) from old version of Fedora, I can
use it to boot extracted vmlinuz, and start my installation.

I already know that partition B should be ext2/3/4 or FAT, and
should never be formatted during installation. Now I wonder
what requirements should partition A have. Can partition A be
formatted during installation? Is it necessary A is ext3/4?
Is it better that A is the same as B?

Note: yeah I indeed have installed Fedora 16. During my installation
partition A is a small not-used ext3 partition. The installation
works as expected. Now I just want to know whether partition A
can be say my old / partition(which will be formatted).

Note again: this is my first post here. If this question is asked
and answered before, hope someone can point me there.


If all you have in this partition is the vmlinuz and initrd.img files 
you can do anything you want to the partition after you are booted into 
the system.  The vmlinuz file is uncompressed into a ramdisk on boot up 
so it is no longer needed on the HD.


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Question about hard disk installation

[alick]

Hi all,

I have a question about installing Fedora from hard disk.

I downloaded a DVD iso, extract vmlinuz and initrd.img to
partition A, then I put iso file onto partition B.

Since I have grub (grub1) from old version of Fedora, I can
use it to boot extracted vmlinuz, and start my installation.

I already know that partition B should be ext2/3/4 or FAT, and
should never be formatted during installation. Now I wonder
what requirements should partition A have. Can partition A be
formatted during installation? Is it necessary A is ext3/4?
Is it better that A is the same as B?

Note: yeah I indeed have installed Fedora 16. During my installation
partition A is a small not-used ext3 partition. The installation
works as expected. Now I just want to know whether partition A
can be say my old / partition(which will be formatted).

Note again: this is my first post here. If this question is asked
and answered before, hope someone can point me there.
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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Roger]

On 31/12/11 12:25, Ed Greshko wrote:

There is only one word to describe the continuation of this thread

"Ironic"

:-)


2 words
Boring and yuck.
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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Gary Waters]

On 12/30/2011 09:56 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 12/31/2011 10:38 AM, Gary Waters wrote:

I know this is going to seem to be a dumb question, but who is/are the
modertor(s) of this list? 1) I'm curious. 2) He/she/they must have
nerves of steel and must be patient beyond all imagination.


This is an un-moderated list.  A "moderated" list is one where each and
every post must be approved before it appears in public.

There are "list owners" that manage issues related to the list...but
they may or may not read the list on a regular basis.  Even if they do,
they generally stay out of the day to day opinionated discussions unless
someone really goes over the toplike threatening to hunt down
another user and bomb their homes or something like that.  :-)

If you have what you feel is a really pressing need to be addressed, you
can email them.  Their email address is easy to find.



It can be in between. I run several herpetology lists. New join requests 
are met with an auto-greet requesting them to write a brief reason as to 
why they want to join. This eliminates the spambots. Once new joins 
prove to be "sentient" they are removed from moderated status.


Problem children can be individually placed on moderated status, 
requiring screening and approval. Undoubtedly, this would be extremely 
labour intensive for a list this size; however, I'm sure the list owners 
sometimes take a peek and cringe at times. ;-)


GW
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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Ed Greshko]

On 12/31/2011 10:38 AM, Gary Waters wrote:
> I know this is going to seem to be a dumb question, but who is/are the
> modertor(s) of this list? 1) I'm curious. 2) He/she/they must have
> nerves of steel and must be patient beyond all imagination. 

This is an un-moderated list.  A "moderated" list is one where each and
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There are "list owners" that manage issues related to the list...but
they may or may not read the list on a regular basis.  Even if they do,
they generally stay out of the day to day opinionated discussions unless
someone really goes over the toplike threatening to hunt down
another user and bomb their homes or something like that.  :-)

If you have what you feel is a really pressing need to be addressed, you
can email them.  Their email address is easy to find.

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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Pete Travis]

On Dec 30, 2011 5:04 PM, "Joe Zeff"  wrote:
>
> On 12/30/2011 03:25 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>>
>> your reply suggests I didn't clearly communicate the concept of
>> extensible behavior sets (my words).
>
>
> I understand what you're getting at.  What you don't seem to understand
is that I've only logged into the Gnome Shell by accident, I didn't like
what I saw and the only thing I was interested in was getting out of it
again as fast as I could.  I don't like it, I don't want to use it and,
when I upgrade my computer and move to a 64-bit install, I won't have it
installed, except for those bits and pieces used by programs I want. I'm
not forcing you to try XFCE if you don't want to; why do you insist that I
try Gnome 3 after I've said that I don't want to use it?
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I'm not trying to single you out, Joe.  I'm a regular reader of your posts,
and generally appreciate what you have to say.  I'm usually content to
lurk, picking up tips or learning about things I'd like to research
further.  Don't take my comments as a conversion attempt or personal
criticism aimed at you or anyone else they may apply to.

My point is that I'm tired of reading broad criticisms of gnome3.  They are
often injected out of context, and even when marginally inappropriate, they
quickly derail the thread. I understand that some may not like it, and like
yourself, tried it briefly and moved on.  I'd like to see these folks drop
gnome3 from their list discourse with the same finality that they have
dropped it from their workflow.  When a user writes in with general usage
questions, or any typical support request,  that user will rarely find
value in a reply that does not address their problem.  I'm not going to dig
for examples, but there are many, and this thread is only one.

So, if you don't like gnome3, and you don't use it, why talk about it?  Is
there a benefit to yourself or the project to be gained?   Are these
complaints contributing to the signal, or the noise?

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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Gary Waters]

On 12/30/2011 08:55 PM, Craig White wrote:

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 17:48 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/30/2011 05:45 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

And the question of what happens when you plug six USB drives in,
well, we know better, hopefully she now realizes that's too much of a
good thing and not the way to do backup, but it does help us think a
bit about the edge cases we want to ignore.


And that question was on-topic and reasonable.  Not only that, IIRC she
managed to keep her other issues out of the discussion.  That's why I'd
welcome her back if and when she gets things under control.


I guess I missed the announcement where you became moderator of
fedora-list.

Craig




I know this is going to seem to be a dumb question, but who is/are the 
modertor(s) of this list? 1) I'm curious. 2) He/she/they must have 
nerves of steel and must be patient beyond all imagination.


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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Patrick Lists]

On 31-12-11 02:46, Craig White wrote:

Are Patrick Lists and Patrick O'Callaghan one and the same?


Nope. A quick look at the email headers from both our emails to the list 
will show you we are worlds apart.


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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[scott]

On 12/30/2011 8:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

There is only one word to describe the continuation of this thread

"Ironic"

:-)


And I thought the NANOG list could get fun to read at times.
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Re: No title bar on app windows under XFCE in one user

[Joel Rees]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:43:30 +0900
> Joel Rees  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Joel Rees 
>> wrote:
>> > [...]
>> >>> Also, Gnome's fallback has the same issues with loss of title bar.
>> >>
>> >> No idea there.
>> >
>> > Haven't checked yet to see if that's fixed.
>>
>> As Aaron indicates, Gnome is fixed, too.
>>
>> Now, what I am curious about is what kind of thing I might have done
>> to talk XFCE out of starting its own window manager in the first
>> place. Anyone with the time to enlighten me?
>
> There's an outstanding bug where if you have multiple windows that ask
> to save state, xfwm4 will timeout and not save the session correctly.
>
> You might have hit this...

I've definitely hit it. I know I've logged the thing out several times
with multiple browsers windows, multiple tabs, etc.

Okay, I can set aside the paranoia about the web sites my kids are
visiting, relative to AdobeFlash. (Well, all except for one, which
I've asked my daughter to give up on. It keeps interrupting her
digimon videos with ads, some of which are not for children, and then
re-seeking the video. I think it's on purpose, although the pipes are
under holiday stress, too, of course.)

Thanks.

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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 16:21 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/30/2011 04:02 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > I'm equally dismayed by your incessant whining about Gnome3 which I see
> > as much the same thing.
> 
> I'm sorry that you feel that way, Craig.  Please note, however, that I 
> always make it very clear that these are the reasons that I personally 
> don't use it and that I'm not suggesting that anybody else migrate away 
> from it unless they too don't like it.  And, I'd like to add that most 
> of what I don't like is the result of design decisions that don't make 
> the slightest bit of sense to me and that nobody on this list has tried 
> to justify.  Not that you have to of course, but it does strengthen my 
> belief that the Gnome devs are working in an ivory tower, neither 
> getting feedback from nor giving explanations to mere users.  As long as 
> what they wanted to give us was something I found easy to work with, it 
> didn't matter much, but now, it's just one more reason to leave and 
> never look back.  And, you'll note, when there's a post asking how to 
> get Gnome 3 to do something, I don't respond with a smart ass post 
> telling them to try XFCE, KDE, LXDE or something else, because that 
> wouldn't be answering their question.

I suppose we weren't supposed to notice more whining when it is
sandwiched between justification for the whining and
self-congratulations on your own perceived good behavior?

Craig



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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Michael Schwendt]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:10:37 +0100, PVDM (paul) wrote:

> Installation was fine, also extra installed packages via rpmfusion OK.
> However 2 remarks.
> - upgrade from F14 to F16 seems to work but is not perfekt in cleaning up
> old packages (I think this is not an intended upgrade path, but anyway)

It's normal that certain types of retired/obsolete packages are not
removed automatically. You need to erase them yourself (or roll your
own packages for software that still exists upstream). There is no
global garbage collector meta package in Fedora, which would remove
such packages. But there are tools like "package-cleanup" from yum-utils,
which you can use to find --orphans, or "yum list extras".

> - selecting of test-updates is not flawless, there are some package
> dependency issues I think, e.g. in gcc and perl-ExtsUtils-MakeMaker, so i
> suggest don't use

Bad idea. 

Ignoring updates-testing bears a risk that an update is declared stable,
because nobody is aware of the dependency issues (and the automated check
run by AutoQA is both easy to ignore and not reports false positives,
too).

Figure out the reason for the issues and report that in bugzilla or
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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 17:48 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/30/2011 05:45 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
> > And the question of what happens when you plug six USB drives in,
> > well, we know better, hopefully she now realizes that's too much of a
> > good thing and not the way to do backup, but it does help us think a
> > bit about the edge cases we want to ignore.
> 
> And that question was on-topic and reasonable.  Not only that, IIRC she 
> managed to keep her other issues out of the discussion.  That's why I'd 
> welcome her back if and when she gets things under control.

I guess I missed the announcement where you became moderator of
fedora-list.

Craig


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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 05:45 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

And the question of what happens when you plug six USB drives in,
well, we know better, hopefully she now realizes that's too much of a
good thing and not the way to do backup, but it does help us think a
bit about the edge cases we want to ignore.


And that question was on-topic and reasonable.  Not only that, IIRC she 
managed to keep her other issues out of the discussion.  That's why I'd 
welcome her back if and when she gets things under control.

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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Craig White]

On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 09:25 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> There is only one word to describe the continuation of this thread
> 
> "Ironic"

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

oh well, it is about the human condition of course and what one person
finds acceptable, another finds irritating and on it goes.

Are Patrick Lists and Patrick O'Callaghan one and the same?

Craig


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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Joel Rees]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> On 12/30/2011 05:28 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>
>> I think it's reasonable to presume contempt when you tell someone it's
>> time for them to leave.
>
>
> No.  Linda has severe issues that cause her to start new threads that have
> nothing to do with Fedora or Linux even and do nothing but waste everybody's
> time.  Not only that, she keeps dumping her issues into other threads,
> hijacking them and, again, wasting people's time.  This list is for tech
> support, not for discussing a member's delusions and if she can't accept
> that, she doesn't belong here.  Linda clearly needs help and I hope she gets
> it.  If and when she can behave herself here, she'll be welcome to return
> and I'll be glad to see it.

Some people don't know how to ask questions without going off-topic. I
seem to be one of them, myself.

It takes practice and experience to figure out how to approach the
list seamlessly. It takes being criticized. Sometimes it takes
sticking around in spite of being asked to leave.

I've spent my share of time on the openbsd lists. Very good lists if
you can learn to ride with the flow over there. I've seen them rail at
minor nuisances that this list puts up with every day. I've also seen
them say, "Don't let the door hit you on your way out." But that one's
for people who are already threatening to take their unwelcome
attentions and leave. I've also seen them turn around and help lots of
people who finally figured out the right questions to ask about the
problems they were having.

I don't want to see this list become an alt.religion.aliens newsgroup
or a m...@openbsd.org mailing list. Linda is kind of extreme. But she
is not telling us we all have to switch to distro Y or warning us how
Steve Ballmer is going to pull the fat out of the fire and then watch
out for Microsoft because of XYZ.

And the question of what happens when you plug six USB drives in,
well, we know better, hopefully she now realizes that's too much of a
good thing and not the way to do backup, but it does help us think a
bit about the edge cases we want to ignore.

If I worked HR for a company that wanted to start a Home Edition
commercial Linux OS product, I'd be looking for people like Linda to
help in the usability testing department. She can be a useful
influence here if we'll let her.

(And being useful is good therapy, but that's not really relevant here, is it?)

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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 05:20 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

I don't really care. Her questions do touch on a lot of the most
difficult usability (Stupid spell checker reminding me that
"useability" is not standard spelling. Yes, lateral thinking runs
pretty strong in my family.) issues.


If Linda were willing and able to keep her posts to things that are 
related to Fedora, or even to Linux in general, I'd have no problem with 
her.  Alas, from what I've seen of her, and of other similar people I've 
had to deal with over the years, I don't think she is, and that's a 
shame.  As I've said before, she needs help and I hope she gets it. 
Some of the help she needs is clearly Fedora/Linux related and I'd be 
happy to be able to help her with that if her other difficulties didn't 
keep getting in the way.

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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Ed Greshko]

There is only one word to describe the continuation of this thread

"Ironic"

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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Joel Rees]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Patrick Lists
 wrote:
> On 30-12-11 07:29, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> Reading her posts often reminds me of trying to teach my sisters how
>> to use something on the computer. All of them at once, on a day when
>> they definitely have their wires crossed.
>
> I solved that by advising my sister she should get a MacBook :)

Did she?

I got one of my sisters an iBook 12" G4 some seven years back, she's
still using it, and we are puzzled what to do to upgrade her by remote
because it's still sometimes the best she can do to remember how to
bring up e-mail. Fortunately, she's on good terms with the sales crew
at one of the local Apple specialist shops. (3rd party, would not ask
her to put up with a visit to the Apple Store.)

If we were to update her to the current version, I'd have to fly
across the ocean (because I'm the closest to free to do it) and
babysit her use the first few days. (Not a bad idea, really, for when
we can scrape together the money and time.)

All of my sisters have different places that they can deal with, which
can be confusing at times. But the also all think laterally, which
means that walking any of them through a problem involves a lot of
side trips (including teleportation and aliens and strange bugs at
times).

Women are not all one kind, but they have certain tendencies more than
men do, and Linda is just extreme in that way.

If she's real.

I don't really care. Her questions do touch on a lot of the most
difficult usability (Stupid spell checker reminding me that
"useability" is not standard spelling. Yes, lateral thinking runs
pretty strong in my family.) issues. The only way to tell if she is
real is to try to help her long enough to see if she stumbles. If you
don't care to participate, you can leave her alone.

I'm personally interested in partial solutions to the NP-complete UI
problems that she brings up. Well, some of them. Wish I had time for
actually tackling them, but NP-complete problems tend to require
lateral thinking and lots of letting things sit on the back burner, so
it's not so bad to not really have time now.

>> She could be a relatively thoroughly constructed troll, I'll grant
>> that. But I've known women who were just like this. (I've known a few
>> guys whose thought streams were as hard to follow, too, really.)
>
> Can't say I share that experience.

I think, if you thought about it, you could think of a few. If not,
you may need to get out more often. (Half kidding.)

But my children are mad at me for wanting them to shut off the game
machine. Leaving it playing the theme song in demo mode seems to help
calm their nerves so they can study, where it makes it hard for me to
work.

I know, cooperation requires a bit of give-and-take, so I'm not saying
we can't ask people like Linda to tone it down, and, I admit, she
crosses over the edge at times when she sees a problem that looks like
something she's trying to figure out and then starts talking about
conspiracy theories, but at least she has half-rational posts, as
well.

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change existing RAID10 to "far layout"

[Reindl Harald]

>> for better performance you could use RAID10 in the far layout instead 
>> (raid10,f2),
>> this is a direct replacement with the enhanced raid10 driver, which gives 
>> double
>> the sequential read speed compared to raid1. Use "--level=10 -p f2" as 
>> additional
>> parameters when creating arrays with mdadm.

hmm is there a way to change this in an existing RAID10?
i think i would like this for / where read-performance is much
more important and /dev/md2 is perfectly with near-layout
for write-performance (hughe data, virtual machines)


[root@raid ~]# mdadm --grow  /dev/md1 --level=10 -p f2
mdadm: RAID10 can only be changed to RAID0
[root@raid ~]# mdadm --grow  /dev/md1 -p f2
mdadm: RAID10 can only be changed to RAID0
[root@raid ~]# mdadm --misc  /dev/md1 -p f2
mdadm: option -p not valid in misc mode


md2 : active raid10 sdc3[0] sdd3[3] sda3[4] sdb3[5]
  3875222528 blocks super 1.1 512K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] []
  bitmap: 7/29 pages [28KB], 65536KB chunk

md1 : active raid10 sdc2[0] sdd2[3] sda2[4] sdb2[5]
  30716928 blocks super 1.1 512K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] []
  bitmap: 1/1 pages [4KB], 65536KB chunk

md0 : active raid1 sdc1[0] sdd1[3] sda1[4] sdb1[5]
  511988 blocks super 1.0 [4/4] []



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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Ed Greshko]

On 12/31/2011 01:50 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> Linda has severe issues that cause her to start new threads that have
> nothing to do with Fedora or Linux even and do nothing but waste
> everybody's time.  Not only that, she keeps dumping her issues into
> other threads, hijacking them and, again, wasting people's time. 

I've been taught since childhood

"Other people cannot waste your time.  Only *you* can waste *your* time."

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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 04:02 PM, Craig White wrote:

I'm equally dismayed by your incessant whining about Gnome3 which I see
as much the same thing.


I'm sorry that you feel that way, Craig.  Please note, however, that I 
always make it very clear that these are the reasons that I personally 
don't use it and that I'm not suggesting that anybody else migrate away 
from it unless they too don't like it.  And, I'd like to add that most 
of what I don't like is the result of design decisions that don't make 
the slightest bit of sense to me and that nobody on this list has tried 
to justify.  Not that you have to of course, but it does strengthen my 
belief that the Gnome devs are working in an ivory tower, neither 
getting feedback from nor giving explanations to mere users.  As long as 
what they wanted to give us was something I found easy to work with, it 
didn't matter much, but now, it's just one more reason to leave and 
never look back.  And, you'll note, when there's a post asking how to 
get Gnome 3 to do something, I don't respond with a smart ass post 
telling them to try XFCE, KDE, LXDE or something else, because that 
wouldn't be answering their question.


Yes, Craig, I know that I can install a handful of third party 
extensions and eventually end up with something that's not completely 
unusable for me, but why should I if there are other DEs that work the 
way I want without spending days or weeks of work fussing with them?

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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 03:25 PM, Pete Travis wrote:

your reply suggests I didn't clearly communicate the concept of
extensible behavior sets (my words).


I understand what you're getting at.  What you don't seem to understand 
is that I've only logged into the Gnome Shell by accident, I didn't like 
what I saw and the only thing I was interested in was getting out of it 
again as fast as I could.  I don't like it, I don't want to use it and, 
when I upgrade my computer and move to a 64-bit install, I won't have it 
installed, except for those bits and pieces used by programs I want. 
I'm not forcing you to try XFCE if you don't want to; why do you insist 
that I try Gnome 3 after I've said that I don't want to use it?

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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 09:50 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/30/2011 05:28 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > I think it's reasonable to presume contempt when you tell someone it's
> > time for them to leave.
> 
> No.  Linda has severe issues that cause her to start new threads that 
> have nothing to do with Fedora or Linux even and do nothing but waste 
> everybody's time.  Not only that, she keeps dumping her issues into 
> other threads, hijacking them and, again, wasting people's time.  This 
> list is for tech support, not for discussing a member's delusions and if 
> she can't accept that, she doesn't belong here.  Linda clearly needs 
> help and I hope she gets it.  If and when she can behave herself here, 
> she'll be welcome to return and I'll be glad to see it.

I'm equally dismayed by your incessant whining about Gnome3 which I see
as much the same thing.

Craig


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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[g]

On 12/30/2011 10:47 PM, g wrote:
> On 12/30/2011 09:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 12/30/2011 01:38 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>>> There is no browser.startup.homepage inabout:config
>> Try creating it then.
> -=-
> 
> if not there, you need to create it.
-=-

if you are not familiar with how to create...


open a blank page, enter about:config in url bar.

when page appears, right click any line, select "new > string".

in window enter string name;

  browser.startup.homepage

in next window, enter value;

  http://www.google.com/


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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Pete Travis]

On Dec 30, 2011 12:59 PM, "Joe Zeff"  wrote:
>
> On 12/30/2011 10:42 AM, Pete Travis wrote:
>>
>> But! Have you looked at extensions.gnome.org ?
>
>
> No.
fnord (I like that one!)

Please, humor me, try it.  Log into a gnome session, pop open a few
windows, and point Firefox at http://extensions.gnome.org .  I'm using an
alt tab modification and a workspace labeler.  I will make no claim that
you can find an acceptable configuration, or that you even want to, but
your reply suggests I didn't clearly communicate the concept of extensible
behavior sets (my words).
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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

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On 12/30/2011 10:33 PM, Kevin Martin wrote:
<>

> if that was "grep -l bing *" then you would get a list of the files that
> have the word bing in them and you *might* be able to work with that (like
> delete unnecessary files or edit them if there are ascii).
-=-

from 'man grep'

+++
 -l, --files-with-matches
Suppress normal output; instead print the  name  of  each  input
file  from  which  output would normally have been printed.  The
scanning will stop on the first match.
+++

which to my understand would only show 1 file's listing, or 1st match in
each file. without the '-l', he gets *all* lines of all files containing
'bing'. i have never used '-l', so i can not say just how it works.


> However, wouldn't it just be easier to stop firefox, move the directory 
> o8u6238s.default out of the way, and then restart firefox with a new 
> profile?  That should take care of the bing issue once and for all.
-=-

good point, and in a respect, yes. it would prove that problem is in his
current profile and not with firefox itself.

but he would have to go thru all configurations again and load in all of
his add-ons to safely use new profile.

i tend to believe that 'bing' problem is with an add-on and would/should
have proved out with restarting firefox with add-ons disabled. but it
did not.

because "browser.startup.homepage" is not in his 'about:config', there
in lies a part of his problem, which maybe that something is not allowing
his configuration setting to take. which is another problem in itself.


_normally_, firefox runs very well in linux. when it does not, it can
be a 'pita' to find problems. more so than with oos.

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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

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On 12/30/2011 09:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/30/2011 01:38 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> There is no browser.startup.homepage inabout:config
> 
> Try creating it then.
-=-

if not there, you need to create it.


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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

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On 12/30/2011 10:05 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
<>

> Let us be clear. You want me to cd to .mozilla/firefox/o8u6238s.default.
> o8u6238s.default is the name of my default file.
-=-

o8u6238s.default is your _profile_ directory.


> Then run: grep bing * > bing.out
> 
> That returns a file with 4 lines , 28 words and 110008 characters. The
> file is completely unreadable (mostly gobbely gook)
-=-

at start of each line that relates to a file you will see;

  nameoffile:

ie, name of file, followed by a colon, ":". what follows is the line
that contains 'bing'.

if you see "mostly gobbely gook" (ms os term), then file is either a
'hex' file or it is a 'data' file.

you can use command;

  file filename

to find type of file. see 'man file' for discription.


what is name of file/s that that contain 'bing'?

> Well you can find bing appearing in the file but not a line which you
> can easily deal with.
-=-

because it is not a standard text file.


> I could grep each file in the directory but that is a lot of work for a
> minor annoyance But maybe I will do it some day.

  grep bing *

greps all files. see 'man grep'.


> But in principle I am sure this method would trace down the problem.
-=-

it can.

as you posted;

}> There is no browser.startup.homepage in about:config

and Joe Zeff replied, yo need to create it.

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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[Kevin Martin]

On 12/30/2011 04:05 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 17:26 +, g wrote: 
>> On 12/30/2011 04:38 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> <>
>>
>>> No bing search plugin is present.
>> if you follow what Patrick suggested and find that problem is in your
>> profile, you can use new profile and rebuild or...
>>
>> ok. now the 'long part'.
>>
>> with firefox closed, open a file browser, move to your firefox profile
>> directory;
>>
>>   /home/aaron/.mozilla/firefox/.default/
>>
>> open a terminal, enter;
>>
>>   grep bing * > 00-bing.0001
>>
>> if file size great than 0, open '00-bing.0001' to see what files have
>> 'bing' in them.
>>
>> make a backup copy of files. open the files and insert '#' or required
>> comment mark at start of line/s that read 'bing'.
>>
>> also, if you find 'bing' and it shows a directory path, rename 'bing'
>> directory.
>>
>>
>> next open directory 'extensions', look for a directory with 'bing' in
>> name. if none, open each sub directory and view files, looking for
>> reference to 'bing'. or, open terminal and;
>>
>>   grep bing *
>>
>> no need to redirect to a file, unless you want. if any file does have
>> 'bing', move to top of path, in 'extensions' directory and append an
>> extension to that directory to block it being used.
>>
>>
>> i know this is a lot to go thru, but you can imagine what i have gone
>> thru to find these little 'tricks' to find problems.
>>
>>
> Let us be clear. You want me to cd to .mozilla/firefox/o8u6238s.default


>  is the name of my default file.
> Then run: grep bing * > bing.out
>
> That returns a file with 4 lines , 28 words and 110008 characters. The
> file is completely unreadable (mostly gobbely gook)
> Well you can find bing appearing in the file but not a line which you
> can easily deal with. 
>
> I could grep each file in the directory but that is a lot of work for a
> minor annoyance But maybe I will do it some day.
>
> But in principle I am sure this method would trace down the problem.
if that was "grep -l bing *" then you would get a list of the files that have 
the word bing in them and you *might* be able to work
with that (like delete unnecessary files or edit them if there are ascii).  
However, wouldn't it just be easier to stop firefox,
move the directory o8u6238s.default out of the way, and then restart firefox 
with a new profile?  That should take care of the bing
issue once and for all.

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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 17:26 +, g wrote: 
> On 12/30/2011 04:38 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> <>
> 
> > No bing search plugin is present.
> 
> if you follow what Patrick suggested and find that problem is in your
> profile, you can use new profile and rebuild or...
> 
> ok. now the 'long part'.
> 
> with firefox closed, open a file browser, move to your firefox profile
> directory;
> 
>   /home/aaron/.mozilla/firefox/.default/
> 
> open a terminal, enter;
> 
>   grep bing * > 00-bing.0001
> 
> if file size great than 0, open '00-bing.0001' to see what files have
> 'bing' in them.
> 
> make a backup copy of files. open the files and insert '#' or required
> comment mark at start of line/s that read 'bing'.
> 
> also, if you find 'bing' and it shows a directory path, rename 'bing'
> directory.
> 
> 
> next open directory 'extensions', look for a directory with 'bing' in
> name. if none, open each sub directory and view files, looking for
> reference to 'bing'. or, open terminal and;
> 
>   grep bing *
> 
> no need to redirect to a file, unless you want. if any file does have
> 'bing', move to top of path, in 'extensions' directory and append an
> extension to that directory to block it being used.
> 
> 
> i know this is a lot to go thru, but you can imagine what i have gone
> thru to find these little 'tricks' to find problems.
> 
> 

Let us be clear. You want me to cd to .mozilla/firefox/o8u6238s.default.
o8u6238s.default is the name of my default file.
Then run: grep bing * > bing.out

That returns a file with 4 lines , 28 words and 110008 characters. The
file is completely unreadable (mostly gobbely gook)
Well you can find bing appearing in the file but not a line which you
can easily deal with. 

I could grep each file in the directory but that is a lot of work for a
minor annoyance But maybe I will do it some day.

But in principle I am sure this method would trace down the problem.
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Re: F16 - a good experience - except Zenbook trackpad + couple of other things

[mike cloaked]

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Philip Rhoades  wrote:

> +1 from me too but has anyone got a solution to the Zenbook trackpad
> hassles? (I am using XFCE) out and also:
>

What particular issues are you having with the trackpad - I don't have
that particular machine but I have startup commands to set touchpad
parameters using
1) Edits to the 50-synaptics file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/*conf
along the lines of:
Section "InputClass"
Identifier "touchpad catchall"
MatchIsTouchpad "on"
MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
Option "TapButton1" "1"
Option "TapButton2" "2"
Option "TapButton3" "3"
EndSection

This allows the touchpad to work even at the login greeter.

and
2) In the start menu I have separate items such as
synclient TapButton1=1
synclient VertEdgeScroll=1

and also to disable touchpad clicks whilst typing but keep touchpad
dragging unaffected I have another line like:
syndaemon -t -k -i 1 -d

This ensures the touchpad functions I want still work in my xfce desktop.

Something similar may help you if these kinds of function are needed
on your system?

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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 01:38 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

There is no browser.startup.homepage inabout:config


Try creating it then.
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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 12:20 -0500, David wrote: 
> On 12/30/2011 11:35 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 22:36 +0100, Patrick Lists wrote: 
> >> On 29-12-11 22:21, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >>
> >> Not sure if this is related but have you tried clicking in the search 
> >> box on the logo/drop down arrow and then click on "Manage Search 
> >> Engines"? Bing is mentioned there. Perhaps you could try to click on 
> >> "Restore Defaults" or just remove Bing and everything you don't want.
> > I go to Manage Search Engines , I highlight Google and click Ok. I still
> > have the same problem. 
> > I even removed Bing from the list but it still shows up as my home page 
> > when I restart firefox.
> > I think I give up on this.
> > 
> >> Could it be a plugin that is messing with your settings? Have you 
> >> checked about:plugins?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Patrick
> > I looked at about:plugins but I can't imagine a plugin hat would affect
> > the default home page. Do you
> > have a suggestion.
> 
> 
> Late here so I'm sorry if this has already been suggested.
> 
> In the URL space type:
> 
> about:config
> 
> in the search space type:
> 
> browser.startup.homepage
> 
> Does that say 'Bing' something? 'About:home' would be whatever you set
> home to be in the GUI
> 
> about:blank would be a blank page
> 
> http://google.com would be...   :-)
> 
> also take a look at:
> 
> startup.homepage_welcome_url
> 
> and
> 
> startup.homepage_override_url
> 
> 
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> 
> "May your road lead you to warm sands."

There is no browser.startup.homepage in about:config
about:home returns a google web page.
about:blank is a blank page.
There is no startup.homepage in about:config

The homepage is still set to Bing. 
Your ideas seemed good but did not work out.
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Re: F16 (gnome/default)- cpu usage 100%

[Marvin Kosmal]

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Nermin Celik  wrote:

>
>> Try killing speech-dispatch and see what happens?
>>
>> It may be a bad install..
>>
>> You could remove it and reinstall
>>
>>
> 1.I killed the speech-dispatch and also the python. CPU usage went to
> normal level.
> 2. Restarted the computer and CPU usage was normal.
>
> However the screen froze in both instances.
>
> I'll reinstall F16 again and see what happens.
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Hi

It does not seem reasonable those two process should take that much CPU
power for a long period of time.

Unless the CPU is very underrated.  Which I doubt..

Good luck
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Preupgrade: Anaconda can't find upgrade root?

[Richard Shaw]

I tried using preupgrade to upgrade my F15 64bit to F16 and ran into
an issue with anaconda.

It gave me a somewhat confusion error:

https://plus.google.com/photos/112912133662927916698/albums/5692032713007961425?authkey=CJmNmIWD6M7WHQ

Or, if you want to skip the picture link:
---
Title: Upgrade root not found

The root for the previously installed system was not found
---

So which is it? The title says the upgrade root isn't found but the
contents say the root of the previously installed system was not
found...

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Antonio Olivares]

> > Still, it makes me wonder.
> I wonder what Red Hat will do with it in RHEL?
> In the shape Gnome 3 is currently in Fedora (comprising
> Fedora 16), it doesn't have any future in the commercial
> world, IMO.
> 
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The future is always uncertain.  How many devices(tablets) ares supported 
nicely by Gnome 3š interface?  Is Red Hat'š attention now away from the desktop 
(traditional Gnome 2) to Gnome 3 and target the Tablets and small devices like 
phones?  

I want to agree with your opionion, but we actually can't write off anything 
out there, some folks tell me that M$ dismissed Android before and now it 
trails Android big time :(, however, it(M$) still makes $$$ for every android 
device sold and the patent cr*p that they have many manufacturers''numbers that 
they don't really lose :(   A friend that has critized me through the years, 
now has a phone with android on it.  I told him you are using Linux, he still 
denies it.  He says it is Googles baby, and I told him that they are using 
Linux kernel.  

My $0.02 

Regards,


Antonio 

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Re: F16 (gnome/default)- cpu usage 100%

[Nermin Celik]

>
>
> Try killing speech-dispatch and see what happens?
>
> It may be a bad install..
>
> You could remove it and reinstall
>
>
1.I killed the speech-dispatch and also the python. CPU usage went to
normal level.
2. Restarted the computer and CPU usage was normal.

However the screen froze in both instances.

I'll reinstall F16 again and see what happens.
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Re: F16 (gnome/default)- cpu usage 100%

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 12:49 PM, Nermin Celik wrote:

Joe, nermin is me the user.


Well, you are taking up all of the CPU time, aren't you?

Seriously, whatever those two processes are is what's wrong.  And, it's 
probably best not to start out blaming your hardware for slowdowns 
instead of checking for software issues.  As you see here, top is an 
excellent starting point.

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Re: F16 (gnome/default)- cpu usage 100%

[Nermin Celik]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 12/30/2011 12:24 PM, Nermin Celik wrote:
>
>>  1947 nermin20   0   12912  656   448 S  90.0  0.0
>> 796:13.37   speech-dispatch
>>  1935 nermin20   0   84488  20m   11m R85.4  0.6
>> 798:50.77   python
>>
>
> There's your culprit.  I don't know what nermin is, but it's taking up
> almost all of your CPU time.
>
>
Joe, nermin is me the user.

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Re: F16 (gnome/default)- cpu usage 100%

[Marvin Kosmal]

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 12/30/2011 12:24 PM, Nermin Celik wrote:
>
>>  1947 nermin20   0   12912  656   448 S  90.0  0.0
>> 796:13.37   speech-dispatch
>>  1935 nermin20   0   84488  20m   11m R85.4  0.6
>> 798:50.77   python
>>
>
> There's your culprit.  I don't know what nermin is, but it's taking up
> almost all of your CPU time.
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Hi

Try killing speech-dispatch and see what happens?

It may be a bad install..

You could remove it and reinstall

HTH

Marvin
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Re: F16 (gnome/default)- cpu usage 100%

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 12:24 PM, Nermin Celik wrote:

  1947 nermin20   0   12912  656   448 S  90.0  0.0
796:13.37   speech-dispatch
  1935 nermin20   0   84488  20m   11m R85.4  0.6
798:50.77   python


There's your culprit.  I don't know what nermin is, but it's taking up 
almost all of your CPU time.

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Re: F16 (gnome/default)- cpu usage 100%

[Nermin Celik]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:

> On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 18:00 +1100, Nermin Celik wrote:
> > Just looking at System Monitor > Resources > , it shows that CPU1 and
> > CPU2
> > are 100% used, although l'm not running any programs. Hence it seems
> > that
> > my computer hardware is not compatible with F16 (default). Do you
> > agree?
>
> Unlikely, but run 'top' from a command line and see what's eating the
> CPU.
>
>
It seems that speech-dispatch and python are using the CPU. Is this normal?

Output of top command:

 top - 07:20:00 up 14:00,  2 users,  load average: 2.35, 2.26, 2.16
Tasks: 139 total,   2 running, 136 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
Cpu(s): 53.5%us, 46.5%sy,  0.0%ni,  0.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
0.0%st
Mem:   3357448k total,  3154420k used,   203028k free,76120k buffers
Swap:  5439484k total, 3508k used,  5435976k free,  2459724k cached

  PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S%CPU %MEMTIME+
COMMAND
 1947 nermin20   0   12912  656   448 S  90.0  0.0
796:13.37
speech-dispatch
 1935 nermin20   0   84488  20m   11m R85.4  0.6
798:50.77
python
 1218 root20   0   105m  48m  7396 S 11.0  1.5
24:29.52
Xorg
 1623 nermin20   0   464m  127m  33m S4.33.9
15:36.54
gnome-shell
30109 root20   0 0  0 0 S   4.0
0.0   0:08.90
kworker/0:2
 1982 nermin20   0  516m   197m   28m S   1.7 6.0
8:04.18
firefox
12300 nermin   20   0  65244  24m 14m S   1.7 0.8
12:43.04
gnome-system-mo
30130 nermin   20   0  75560  14m 10m S   0.7 0.4
0:01.01
gnome-terminal
29438 root   20   0 00 0 S   0.3
0.00:02.10
kworker/1:1
30190 nermin   20   0  28841084836 R0.3 0.0
0:00.65   top
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Re: F16 - a good experience

[夜神 岩男]

On 12/31/2011 03:25 AM, Roger K. Wells wrote:

On 12/30/2011 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote:

Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on
extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well.



+1

Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a
bunch of third-party extensions and mimic the way Gnome 2 worked just
to make Gnome 3 usable? Shouldn't Gnome 3 be easy for the average user
right out of the box? Am I the only person here who thinks there's
something wrong here? Of course, I don't use Gnome any more, and the
above is why, so you might not think I'm being objective here. Still,
it makes me wonder.


I think there is significant investment from some quarters in the 
concept that is Gnome3. And it reminds me of the Turkish proverb in 
someone's .sig: (Sorry, the name escapes me now who it belongs to...) 
"No matter how far you've gone down the road, turn back."

That's just a joke... but seriously...

The KDE spin stats are interesting, as are the XFCE ones.
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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 10:42 AM, Pete Travis wrote:

But! Have you looked at extensions.gnome.org ?


No.  As I've said here several times, when I found out what Gnome 3 was 
going to be like I migrated to XFCE and have no desire to go back again. 
 As such, I'm on the outside looking in when it comes to Gnome and only 
know what I read about it here.  I'm not trying to put Gnome 3 down, or 
get other people to stop using it unless they really don't like it 
because that would be contrary to the freedom of choice that's supposed 
to be one of the most important things in Linux.


Yes, clever programmers wrote extensions to Gnome 2, and many people 
used them.  On the other hand, most people didn't, and found that it 
worked for them just fine, out of the box.  With Gnome 3, however, many 
of the functions that people had come to depend on (Such as having the 
panel at the bottom of the screen instead of the top to take a simple 
example.) have been removed from Gnome itself forcing large numbers of 
users to choose between third-party extensions (that may stop working at 
any time because of an update to Gnome) or completely relearning how to 
use their system and changing habits that are in many cases years old.


I don't mind changing to something newer, even if it means changing my 
work habits, if I can see a profit to it.  If I didn't, I'd still be 
using punched cards and a typewriter with fan-fold paper, as I did when 
I first used a computer.  But, I'm not the type to change things simply 
for the sake of change.  I don't say, as some do, "It's new, so it must 
be better," any more than I say, "It's old and I'm used to it and I'm 
going to keep things like that forever."  I'm willing to change, but I 
need to see a benefit from it and, for me at least, the changes needed 
to use Gnome 3 just aren't there.


Sorry for going off so far like this, but once I got started, I realized 
that there was a good amount that needed to be said to make my position 
clear.  I haven't done any programming in well over a decade, and I'm 
retired now anyway, but I do tend to spend a fair amount of time 
thinking about things like this and every now and then I feel the need 
to share my conclusions with others.


If you're one of those who's happy with Gnome 3, I'm glad for you; if 
not, ask yourself it it's worth the time and effort you'd need to get it 
working the way you want.  If so, have at it; if not, consider migrating 
to a different DE.  In either case, I hope you all have a Happy New Year.

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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 12/30/2011 07:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote:

Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on
extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well.


Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a bunch
of third-party extensions and mimic the way Gnome 2 worked just to make
Gnome 3 usable? Shouldn't Gnome 3 be easy for the average user right out
of the box? Am I the only person here who thinks there's something wrong
here?

No you aren't.


Of course, I don't use Gnome any more, and the above is why, so
you might not think I'm being objective here.

I went the same route.


Still, it makes me wonder.

I wonder what Red Hat will do with it in RHEL?
In the shape Gnome 3 is currently in Fedora (comprising Fedora 16), it 
doesn't have any future in the commercial world, IMO.


Ralf

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Re: OT: How much RAM should I get in a new laptop ?

[linux guy]

Update.

After a bunch of order tuning, I ordered my XPS 17 with the 3D screen
(which got me 4 DIMM slots) and 16GB of RAM.  Yes, 16 GB.  I don't
feel I need that much right now, but as a package, it was cheap to add
it.

Not to advertise for Dell, but the complete system (i7, BD player, 16
GB, 3D screen, no 3d glasses, backlit keyboard, high end video card,
BT 3) for just under $1300.

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Dell.  This will be my first
Dell laptop, other than the Duo I already own.
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Re: Implementing a "sometimes" RAID on a laptop. (eSATA, SSD, RAID 1)

[linux guy]

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Pete Travis  wrote:
> A 17" laptop cuts an awfully large profile.   Are you sure there aren't two
> SATA bays?

My XPS 17 will have 2 SATA bays.   One for the SSD with the OS and the
other for a conventional HD with my data.I want to back both of
these drives up to an external drive.
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Re: File copy errors on EXT4 SSD but fsck says its clean ????

[linux guy]

That is what I though, when I read it during the session.  Thanks for
confirming that I had it right the first time.

Update: the drive went back to Intel this week.   They are sending me
a new replacement.   The service rep was telling me all about the 1.2
million hour MTBF spec as we completed the transaction.  I'm not sure
if they will tell me what they find when they autopsy it or not.  They
guaranteed me the drive would be destroyed and my data with it as
well.
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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Pete Travis]

On Dec 30, 2011 11:00 AM, "Joe Zeff"  wrote:
>
> On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote:
>>
>> Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on
>> extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well.
>
>
> Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a bunch
of third-party extensions and mimic the way Gnome 2 worked just to make
Gnome 3 usable?  Shouldn't Gnome 3 be easy for the average user right out
of the box?  Am I the only person here who thinks there's something wrong
here?  Of course, I don't use Gnome any more, and the above is why, so you
might not think I'm being objective here.  Still, it makes me wonder.
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Hey Joe,

Gnome2 was great, I agree.  One could add widgets and gadgets galore to aid
in their workflow, and that's gone now.

But! Have you looked at extensions.gnome.org? Its not widgets being offered
here, you're looking at drop-in modularity of entire behavior sets.  You
can activate them with a single mouse click! The extensions are written in
Java, which makes a fairly low barrier to entry, and the gnome project has
good documentation on making them and is responsive to questions asked in
this context.

The complaints about gnome3 I read here, to me, approximate this statement :

"The gnome devs are focusing too much on making their product extensible,
so that users can easily customize behaviors and drop in new features.
They should be focusing on creating the behaviors and features I want!  I
shouldn't be forced to take advantage of the extensibility at the core of
this software to have my expectations met!"

These statements loose validity with each repetition, and offer no support
value.  I'm subscribed to this list to learn, and I'm tired of reading
these snipes.
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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Roger K. Wells]

On 12/30/2011 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote:

Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on
extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well.



+1
Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a 
bunch of third-party extensions and mimic the way Gnome 2 worked just 
to make Gnome 3 usable?  Shouldn't Gnome 3 be easy for the average 
user right out of the box?  Am I the only person here who thinks 
there's something wrong here?  Of course, I don't use Gnome any more, 
and the above is why, so you might not think I'm being objective 
here.  Still, it makes me wonder.



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Re: Trouble with Burning Video DVD's

[Patrick Lists]

On 30-12-11 16:30, Frank Murphy wrote:

On 30/12/11 15:13, Charlie McVeigh wrote:

Lastly I used K3b to burn the .iso

image to a DVD+R disk.



This could be the problem.
Retry with a DVD-R,
they are better supported iirc.


I recall having the same experience with DVD+R not working everywhere.
At the time DVD-R seemed to be better supported. I have seen rewritable 
media have even more issues so don't be surprised if a DVD+RW (or 
DVD-RW) disc does not work at all in even more appliances. DVD players 
in older laptops and computers can also have issues. If available, a 
firmware update of the DVD player could improve that.


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Re: No title bar on app windows under XFCE in one user

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:43:30 +0900
Joel Rees  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Joel Rees 
> wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Also, Gnome's fallback has the same issues with loss of title bar.
> >>
> >> No idea there.
> >
> > Haven't checked yet to see if that's fixed.
> 
> As Aaron indicates, Gnome is fixed, too.
> 
> Now, what I am curious about is what kind of thing I might have done
> to talk XFCE out of starting its own window manager in the first
> place. Anyone with the time to enlighten me?

There's an outstanding bug where if you have multiple windows that ask
to save state, xfwm4 will timeout and not save the session correctly. 

You might have hit this... 

kevin


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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote:

Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on
extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well.


Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a bunch 
of third-party extensions and mimic the way Gnome 2 worked just to make 
Gnome 3 usable?  Shouldn't Gnome 3 be easy for the average user right 
out of the box?  Am I the only person here who thinks there's something 
wrong here?  Of course, I don't use Gnome any more, and the above is 
why, so you might not think I'm being objective here.  Still, it makes 
me wonder.

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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Joe Zeff]

On 12/30/2011 05:28 AM, Craig White wrote:

I think it's reasonable to presume contempt when you tell someone it's
time for them to leave.


No.  Linda has severe issues that cause her to start new threads that 
have nothing to do with Fedora or Linux even and do nothing but waste 
everybody's time.  Not only that, she keeps dumping her issues into 
other threads, hijacking them and, again, wasting people's time.  This 
list is for tech support, not for discussing a member's delusions and if 
she can't accept that, she doesn't belong here.  Linda clearly needs 
help and I hope she gets it.  If and when she can behave herself here, 
she'll be welcome to return and I'll be glad to see it.

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Mybe OT? Grub2 themes

[Frank Murphy]

I came across this for a good document on the grub2 stuff:

http://www.4shared.com/file/lFCl6wxL/grub_guidetar.html

Hope it's not too off topic.


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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Patrick Lists]

On 30-12-11 10:31, antonio montagnani wrote:

in this list a bunch of talebans (a list is easy to be prepared) think
to have the truth and of course the right to say what is right and what
is wrong.


Wow a semi-Godwin. With the atrocities that the Taliban have inflicted 
upon many innocent men, women and children it's quite offensive to call 
anyone on this mailing list a Taliban. Maybe you should first watch the 
videos and pictures of the horrific things that Taliban extremists did 
and then think again if you really want to call anyone on this list a 
Taliban.


AFAIK anyone has a right to speak up in this Community. It's what makes 
this Community great. And no it is not about right or wrong decided by a 
random Community member. Those in charge have clearly defined the 
purpose of this mailing list and the mailing list guidelines. This is 
about a simple request to stay on-topic and to follow the mailing list 
guidelines.



Do they want to make people move to other places???


If you mean a place like this Community where members simply stay 
on-topic and simply follow mailing list guidelines then yes that would 
be most welcome.



And thanks to their attitude (not the people they blame) makes this list
noisy


You could just ignore those posts or use a filter like others suggest. 
It will not deal with the cause but it will deal with the effects.


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Re: [389-users] How to debug the 389 ds

[Rich Megginson]

On 12/30/2011 02:05 AM, 馬小布 wrote:

Hi, guys:



When I installed the 389 ds on Fedora 15 x64 via the rpm, but when I  
start the admin console ,

the screen did not display the login name .


How is it supposed to know the login name?



That's to say, it did not display the UserID and Password and 
Administration URL .


This information is either provided to you, or you provided it, when you 
ran setup-ds-admin.pl


The 389 console version is 1.1.7.1, and java version is 1.6.0.22


Is the java problem? Or maybe something cause it 


It's not a problem at all?




Could anyone can give me some suggestions?


Thanks.





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Re: [389-users] Adding an index: how is this achieved?

[Rich Megginson]

On 12/28/2011 02:18 PM, Graham Leggett wrote:

Hi all,

I'm trying to add an index, and am currently epically failing at doing so.

The only documentation I can find is the obsolete


Why is it obsolete?


Redhat Directory Server guide at 
http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Directory_Server/9.0/html/Administration_Guide/applying-indexes.html,
 linked to from the 389-ds documentation website.

The docs recommend I use the db2index.pl script, which doesn't work for me:

/usr/lib64/dirsrv/slapd-myinstance/db2index.pl -D "cn=Directory Manager" -w 
`cat /etc/ldap.secret` -n myinstance -t myattribute
adding new entry cn=db2index_2011_12_28_14_49_34, cn=index, cn=tasks, cn=config
ldap_add: No such object

A look at the error log reveals this error:

[28/Dec/2011:14:50:35 -0600] - can't import to nonexistent backend myinstance

I am completely stumped. If my backend isn't called "myinstance" then I have no 
idea what it's referring to. Given there is only one instance on the server, I have no 
idea why 389ds can't figure this out for itself. In fact, I can't understand why 389ds 
didn't just handle indexes all on its own anyway.


How should 389ds handle indexes all on its own?  Can you explain please?


The docs suggest doing this:

cd /etc/dirsrv/slapd-instance_name
db2index.pl-D "cn=Directory Manager" -w secret -n ExampleServer -t sn

No idea where "ExampleServer" comes from, and no idea why it's not the same as 
"instance_name".

Which doc is this?  URL please?

I also find a shell script called db2index, as well as the perl script called 
db2index.pl. Any idea why there are two scripts that in theory do the same 
thing?
db2index is for when the server is offline - db2index.pl is for when the 
server is online.

Is there an up to date recipe somewhere that explains how to add an index to 
389ds?


/usr/lib64/dirsrv/slapd-myinstance/db2index.pl -D "cn=Directory Manager" -w 
`cat /etc/ldap.secret` -n userRoot -t myattribute

I'm assuming you know that you need to
* replace "cn=directory manager" with your directory manager DN if you have 
changed it from the default
* replace `cat /etc/ldap.secret` with your real directory manager password if 
it is not stored in /etc/ldap.secret
* replace myattribute with your real attribute name


Regards,
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Re: [389-users] entryDN attribute

[Rich Megginson]

On 12/23/2011 01:57 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:

Hi,

The entryDN OID from the 389 schema (back-ldbm.h:#define 
LDBM_ENTRYDN_OID  "2.16.840.1.113730.3.1.602") is different from that 
defined by RFC5020 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5020, "Object 
Identifier: 1.3.6.1.1.20"). Is it an intended difference?

No, it just means we haven't yet caught up to that rfc

Are there any technical reasons why it should be different?
We don't implement the component filter extensible matching rule for 
entrydn.  For other usage, as long as you use the attribute type name 
and not the oid you should be fine.



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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[g]

On 12/30/2011 04:38 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
<>

> No bing search plugin is present.

if you follow what Patrick suggested and find that problem is in your
profile, you can use new profile and rebuild or...

ok. now the 'long part'.

with firefox closed, open a file browser, move to your firefox profile
directory;

  /home/aaron/.mozilla/firefox/.default/

open a terminal, enter;

  grep bing * > 00-bing.0001

if file size great than 0, open '00-bing.0001' to see what files have
'bing' in them.

make a backup copy of files. open the files and insert '#' or required
comment mark at start of line/s that read 'bing'.

also, if you find 'bing' and it shows a directory path, rename 'bing'
directory.


next open directory 'extensions', look for a directory with 'bing' in
name. if none, open each sub directory and view files, looking for
reference to 'bing'. or, open terminal and;

  grep bing *

no need to redirect to a file, unless you want. if any file does have
'bing', move to top of path, in 'extensions' directory and append an
extension to that directory to block it being used.


i know this is a lot to go thru, but you can imagine what i have gone
thru to find these little 'tricks' to find problems.


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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

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On 12/30/2011 04:42 PM, Patrick Lists wrote:
<>

> Have you tried stopping Firefox, renaming your Firefox profile and start 
> Firefox again to see if the problem persists? I think you could try that 
> with these steps after you have quit Firefox:
-=-

this is a good procedure and will show problem is in his current profile.

<>
> And perhaps you could try to reinstall Firefox?
-=-

this is very questionable because problems as Aaron is having are
profile related, not firefox.


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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[David]

On 12/30/2011 11:35 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 22:36 +0100, Patrick Lists wrote: 
>> On 29-12-11 22:21, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if this is related but have you tried clicking in the search 
>> box on the logo/drop down arrow and then click on "Manage Search 
>> Engines"? Bing is mentioned there. Perhaps you could try to click on 
>> "Restore Defaults" or just remove Bing and everything you don't want.
> I go to Manage Search Engines , I highlight Google and click Ok. I still
> have the same problem. 
> I even removed Bing from the list but it still shows up as my home page when 
> I restart firefox.
> I think I give up on this.
> 
>> Could it be a plugin that is messing with your settings? Have you 
>> checked about:plugins?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Patrick
> I looked at about:plugins but I can't imagine a plugin hat would affect
> the default home page. Do you
> have a suggestion.


Late here so I'm sorry if this has already been suggested.

In the URL space type:

about:config

in the search space type:

browser.startup.homepage

Does that say 'Bing' something? 'About:home' would be whatever you set
home to be in the GUI

about:blank would be a blank page

http://google.com would be...   :-)

also take a look at:

startup.homepage_welcome_url

and

startup.homepage_override_url


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Re: DVD ISO copy weirdness

[Patrick Lists]

On 30-12-11 09:02, 夜神　岩男 wrote:

Any ideas?


What happens if you use

dd if=/dev/sr0 of=dvd.iso

That should ignore the file system and just copy block for block.


It should, but it doesn't. It only copies the first 9MB which, on
checking, copied the previews and ads from Disney (which were almost
more annoying than this problem in the first place).


Maybe it's a DVD with copy protection? Google for "linux copy protected 
dvd" or browse these links for more information:


https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/RippingDVDs
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-dvd-ripper-software.html
http://john-hunt.com/2008/03/05/ripping-copy-protected-dvds-on-linux-ripguard-puppetlock-arccos-etc/
http://old-wiki.flexion.org/DVDRipping.html?index

Good luck.

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Re: DVD ISO copy weirdness

[夜神 岩男]

On 12/31/2011 01:56 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:

2011/12/30 夜神　岩男:

It should, but it doesn't. It only copies the first 9MB which, on checking,
copied the previews and ads from Disney (which were almost more annoying
than this problem in the first place).

The way I usually do this is with brasero, just right-clicking and let it do
the rest.


Try using k3b.  Another user on this list had a problem burning a disc
using Brasero, but k3b worked great for them.  Perhaps you'll have
similar luck with ripping.  I've always used it and never had any
trouble ripping DVDs.

To make sure you get all the goodies from RPMFusion needed to rip a DVD, run:
yum install k3b k3b-extras-freeworld


Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of this.
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Re: DVD ISO copy weirdness

[T.C. Hollingsworth]

2011/12/30 夜神　岩男 :
> It should, but it doesn't. It only copies the first 9MB which, on checking,
> copied the previews and ads from Disney (which were almost more annoying
> than this problem in the first place).
>
> The way I usually do this is with brasero, just right-clicking and let it do
> the rest.

Try using k3b.  Another user on this list had a problem burning a disc
using Brasero, but k3b worked great for them.  Perhaps you'll have
similar luck with ripping.  I've always used it and never had any
trouble ripping DVDs.

To make sure you get all the goodies from RPMFusion needed to rip a DVD, run:
yum install k3b k3b-extras-freeworld

> I'm about to just not buy any more DVDs from Disney and switch to
> rental-only or go all-out pirate (admittedly an easier option). DVDs and
> Bluerays are way too expensive to let decay with no ability to copy them for
> legal use.

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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Patrick Lists]

On 30-12-11 12:34, mike cloaked wrote:

I know that recently some folk have posted of bad experiences with f16
- however I am running f16 on 6 machines (4 laptops and 2 desktops)
with 4 x86_64 and 2 i686 - and all are now stable, and running with a
responsive and crisp xfce desktop.  I can do everything that I need to
do, and one of the machines is a server and has performed flawlessly
since its install about a month ago.


Ditto here except I run GNOME3. Got F16 x86_64 on a workstation and 
laptop. Must admit that I am still struggling with GNOME3. Luckily the 
frippery extensions and some other good stuff on extensions.gnome.org 
allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well.



Have a great New Year all.


Have a great New Year too.

Regards,
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Re: F16 - a good experience

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On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 11:34 +, mike cloaked wrote: 
> I know that recently some folk have posted of bad experiences with f16
> - however I am running f16 on 6 machines (4 laptops and 2 desktops)
> with 4 x86_64 and 2 i686 - and all are now stable, and running with a
> responsive and crisp xfce desktop.  I can do everything that I need to
> do, and one of the machines is a server and has performed flawlessly
> since its install about a month ago.
> 
> Yes it does need some love and attention to get things configured and
> set up working as desired (and some lookups and learning) - but I am
> really pretty happy overall with f16 now - so this is general thank
> you to all developers and testers in getting f16 to a good working
> state - of course there are some residual bugs which need squashing
> (Name "any" system has zero bugs after all!).
> 
> Have a great New Year all.
> 
> -- 
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You created. The major bad experiences that were reported were Gnome
3.2 :-)
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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Patrick Lists]

On 30-12-11 10:00, nomnex wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:16:16 -0700
Craig White  wrote:

I don't share your obvious contempt for her presence and think
you have been unnecessarily harsh.


I think that too. I am a Fedora desktop user. My understanding is that
Fedora welcome a broad range of users.


Yes it does. That is not the issue. Craig feels that this list can not 
be compared to the other projects I mentioned. But those other projects 
also welcome a broad range of users yet the lack of a "Linda" person on 
any of their mailing lists shows that they are apparently capable of 
maintaining how they want their Community to interact and how members 
use their mailing lists. And those projects also have mailing lists with 
clearly defined purposes and guidelines. Just like this one.


 I have not problem with elitist

people, but tolerance has to come first, else it's being pedantic.


Agree. But I don't think there is any intent to be elitist here. AFAIK 
everybody is welcome. IMHO inexperienced end-users will have a harder 
time getting basic stuff to work like playing an mp3 or an avi movie on 
F16 then they will have on say Ubuntu or Mint. And from what I have seen 
Ubuntu's and Mint's support system seems to be very successful in 
getting inexperienced end-users going.



Patrick could have either filter her (his?) messages, either not
read them (what I did). No hard feeling on both sides.


Sure I could have ignored the trolling of this "Linda" person. But I 
chose not to because he/she decided to ignore the official purpose of 
this list and mailing list guidelines in spite of having been asked 
several times to stay on topic by other people on this list before I 
ever asked.


This is simply about staying on-topic on a mailing list with a clearly 
defined purpose and clearly defined mailing list guidelines. If this 
"Linda" person were to skip all those crazy stories about people bugs 
and other totally off-topic stuff then he/she is off course most welcome 
like anyone else (if I had any say in it, which I off course do not). 
Even if he/she wants to discuss an issue with booting EOL F14 with 8 USB 
sticks plugged in :)


Regards,
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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[Patrick Lists]

On 30-12-11 17:35, Aaron Konstam wrote:

Not sure if this is related but have you tried clicking in the search
box on the logo/drop down arrow and then click on "Manage Search
Engines"? Bing is mentioned there. Perhaps you could try to click on
"Restore Defaults" or just remove Bing and everything you don't want.

I go to Manage Search Engines , I highlight Google and click Ok. I still
have the same problem.
I even removed Bing from the list but it still shows up as my home page when I 
restart firefox.
I think I give up on this.


Could it be a plugin that is messing with your settings? Have you
checked about:plugins?


I looked at about:plugins but I can't imagine a plugin hat would affect
the default home page. Do you
have a suggestion.


Have you tried stopping Firefox, renaming your Firefox profile and start 
Firefox again to see if the problem persists? I think you could try that 
with these steps after you have quit Firefox:


$ cd $HOME/.mozilla
$ mv firefox firefox.org

And start Firefox again. If the problem persists then move back the 
Firefox profile:


$ cd $HOME/.mozilla
$ mv firefox.org firefox

And perhaps you could try to reinstall Firefox?

$ sudo yum reinstall firefox

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Re: No title bar on app windows under XFCE in one user

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 07:43 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Joel Rees  wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> Also, Gnome's fallback has the same issues with loss of title bar.
> >>
> >> No idea there.
> >
> > Haven't checked yet to see if that's fixed.
> 
> As Aaron indicates, Gnome is fixed, too.
> 
> Now, what I am curious about is what kind of thing I might have done
> to talk XFCE out of starting its own window manager in the first
> place. Anyone with the time to enlighten me?
> 
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It seems to be a bug in Gnome that does it. It happened to me in F15
also.
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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 22:53 +, g wrote: 
> On 12/29/2011 09:36 PM, Patrick Lists wrote:
> > On 29-12-11 22:21, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >> Disabling adons has the same behavior as not disabling them.
> 
> <>
> 
> > Not sure if this is related but have you tried clicking in the search 
> > box on the logo/drop down arrow and then click on "Manage Search 
> > Engines"? Bing is mentioned there. Perhaps you could try to click on 
> > "Restore Defaults" or just remove Bing and everything you don't want.
> -=-
> 
> a very good possibility. i forgot about that one. ;-(
> 
> i am still in 3.6.24 and do not have all the problems of later r/v. !yea!
> 
> 
> > Could it be a plugin that is messing with your settings? Have you 
> > checked about:plugins?
> -=-
> 
> disabling add-ons would/should have covered that.
> 
> looking at 'about:plugins' should show if 'bing search' is installed.
> 
> 

No bing search plugin is present.
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Re: Firefox 9 on F16 can not set Home Page

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2011-12-29 at 22:36 +0100, Patrick Lists wrote: 
> On 29-12-11 22:21, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > Disabling adons has the same behavior as not disabling them.
> > I can change the home page to Google and when firefox restarts it is
> > still Google. However if I shut the machine down Bing is back. There is
> > no Bing in by about:config display. I agree there must be a
> > configuration of some sort lying around that wants my home page to be
> > bing.
> >
> > I will try what is described in you link above but it might have to wait
> > a few days. Again thanks for staying with me on solving this problem.
> 
> Not sure if this is related but have you tried clicking in the search 
> box on the logo/drop down arrow and then click on "Manage Search 
> Engines"? Bing is mentioned there. Perhaps you could try to click on 
> "Restore Defaults" or just remove Bing and everything you don't want.
I go to Manage Search Engines , I highlight Google and click Ok. I still
have the same problem. 
I even removed Bing from the list but it still shows up as my home page when I 
restart firefox.
I think I give up on this.

> Could it be a plugin that is messing with your settings? Have you 
> checked about:plugins?
> 
> Regards,
> Patrick
I looked at about:plugins but I can't imagine a plugin hat would affect
the default home page. Do you
have a suggestion.



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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Patrick Lists]

On 30-12-11 07:29, Joel Rees wrote:

Reading her posts often reminds me of trying to teach my sisters how
to use something on the computer. All of them at once, on a day when
they definitely have their wires crossed.


I solved that by advising my sister she should get a MacBook :)


She could be a relatively thoroughly constructed troll, I'll grant
that. But I've known women who were just like this. (I've known a few
guys whose thought streams were as hard to follow, too, really.)


Can't say I share that experience.


Anyway, I can't be hard on her and then go try to ask my sisters to be
patient with the tech they don't understand. Would be a bit
hypocritical of me.


Yup.


I do wonder where she gets the time and money to do the things she
asks about, ... .


No idea either.

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Re: Trouble with Burning Video DVD's

[Frank Murphy]

On 30/12/11 15:13, Charlie McVeigh wrote:

 Lastly I used K3b to burn the .iso

image to a DVD+R disk.



This could be the problem.
Retry with a DVD-R,
they are better supported iirc.

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Re: Boot Disk

[Frank Murphy]

On 30/12/11 15:10, Alan Cox wrote:

Agreed. But you have to *know* the drive serial number or UUID to do
that. And there is, of course, a high probability that you will not have
that information available.


It's in procfs, sysfs, ioctls and via dmesg. It's not hard to get at !
and if you are doing it in advance you can also use labels which are even
easier to remember than uuids

Alan


If the labels are worn off / inaccessible
you can install hardware lister:
yum install lshw (lshw-gui)
which will return the serial numbers.


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Trouble with Burning Video DVD's

[Charlie McVeigh]

Not a Fedora problem exactly, but I am asking here anyways because there
are so many people smarter than me on this board. I am using Fedora 14
as I describe my situation below.

I created a photo sideshow using Imagination and rendered it as a .vob
file such that it is suitable for a video DVD. Using DeVeDe I built the
appropriate menu structure for the video DVD and generated an .iso file
ready for burning as a video DVD. Lastly I used K3b to burn the .iso
image to a DVD+R disk.

Here is were my problem begins – the video DVD will not play on every
device that I put it into. It plays fine on every computer in my house,
my son's Xbox, and a Sony DVD player connected to one of our TV's. It
does *not* play on a neighbors Mac Book Pro, but does play on their DVD
connected to the TV. When I go to another neighbor it does work on their
Mac Book but when playing on their DVD attached to the TV I get
“venetian blind” effect where the DVD is playing but I have stipes
across the screen like looking through a venetian blind.

I am pretty sure the problem is when I am rendering the .vob or creating
the .iso, but I simply don't see any options to tweak. What do I need to
do to get a video DVD that play reliably across many devices? 



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Re: F16 - a good experience

[paul van der meij]

Installation was fine, also extra installed packages via rpmfusion OK.
However 2 remarks.
- upgrade from F14 to F16 seems to work but is not perfekt in cleaning up
old packages (I think this is not an intended upgrade path, but anyway)
- selecting of test-updates is not flawless, there are some package
dependency issues I think, e.g. in gcc and perl-ExtsUtils-MakeMaker, so i
suggest don't use



2011/12/30 Maurizio Marini 

> On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:34:01 +
> mike cloaked  wrote:
>
> > responsive and crisp xfce desktop.  I can do everything that I need to
>
> but u are not using gnome 3 :)
>
> m.
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Re: Boot Disk

[Alan Cox]

> Agreed. But you have to *know* the drive serial number or UUID to do 
> that. And there is, of course, a high probability that you will not have 
> that information available.

It's in procfs, sysfs, ioctls and via dmesg. It's not hard to get at !
and if you are doing it in advance you can also use labels which are even
easier to remember than uuids

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Re: Boot Disk

[R. G. Newbury]

On 12/29/2011 11:30 AM, Alan Cox wrote:

which disk the initial load occurred from?  I did run dmidecode and found
nothing of value.


dmidecode is the wrong interface. EDD provides the drive to BIOS mapping
tables, DMI provides static configuration data.


Your two hard drives are otherwise (I presume) exactly alike.


Just use the drive serial numbers for that - or the UUIDs of the
partitions - much easier and basically how Fedora itself does it.

Alan


Agreed. But you have to *know* the drive serial number or UUID to do 
that. And there is, of course, a high probability that you will not have 
that information available.


(Ha! With Captain Murphy's thumb on the scale the probability is 
exactly: 1.00. )


The advantage of marking the actual disk is that you only need remember 
which way you installed...extra partition on sda/sata 1 or not.

Geoff


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Re: p21p1 is down after reboot

[Hiisi]

On 30 December 2011 16:31, Louis Lagendijk  wrote:
> did you enable network.service:
> systemctl enable network.service
>

Thank you, Reindl and Louis. Guys, you did it! And I'm feeling dumb.
What a shame!
sudo systemctl enable network.service
network.service is not a native service, redirecting to /sbin/chkconfig.
Executing /sbin/chkconfig network on
Warning: unit files do not carry install information. No operation executed.
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Re: F16 - a good experience - except Zenbook trackpad + couple of other things

[Philip Rhoades]

People,



Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:41:58 -0500
From: Lucélio Gomes de Freitas 
To: Community support for Fedora users 


Subject: Re: F16 - a good experience
Message-ID: <4efdcdb6.4010...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

+1

Em 30-12-2011 06:34, mike cloaked escreveu:
I know that recently some folk have posted of bad experiences with 
f16

- however I am running f16 on 6 machines (4 laptops and 2 desktops)
with 4 x86_64 and 2 i686 - and all are now stable, and running with 
a
responsive and crisp xfce desktop.  I can do everything that I need 
to

do, and one of the machines is a server and has performed flawlessly
since its install about a month ago.

Yes it does need some love and attention to get things configured 
and

set up working as desired (and some lookups and learning) - but I am
really pretty happy overall with f16 now - so this is general thank
you to all developers and testers in getting f16 to a good working
state - of course there are some residual bugs which need squashing
(Name "any" system has zero bugs after all!).



+1 from me too but has anyone got a solution to the Zenbook trackpad 
hassles? (I am using XFCE) out and also:


- the Webcam not recognised
- the USB Ethernet dongle not recognised

Suggestions about possible fixes appreciated!

Thanks,

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Re: F16 (gnome/default)- cpu usage 100%

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 18:00 +1100, Nermin Celik wrote:
> Just looking at System Monitor > Resources > , it shows that CPU1 and
> CPU2
> are 100% used, although l'm not running any programs. Hence it seems
> that
> my computer hardware is not compatible with F16 (default). Do you
> agree?

Unlikely, but run 'top' from a command line and see what's eating the
CPU.

poc

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Re: where is the config for dynamically added volumes in nautilus?

[Da Rock]

On 12/30/11 23:00, Antonio Olivares wrote:

I've googled for close to a week to
resolve this. I know that inserting a usb disk

(depending on

setup and version) causes a knock on effect by

calling dbus,

hal, and maybe more depending. But *how* does

nautilus (or

any other file manager system) find out that the

disk is

there and put an icon in the sidebar ("places")?

I've checked bookmarks, GConf- nothing I can see

anywhere

tells me how this is done. I figured there must be

a GConf

setting somewhere or another backend that stores

this

otherwise there'd be too many lookups.

Surely it can't be polling for it through hal
continuously?

Clues anyone?
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hal is no longer present in Fedora.  Which

version of Fedora are you running?

Now udisk takes care of mounting usb disks as they

become available.

I am trying to find a reference to indicate the

changes and make it available here, but can't seem to find
one.

Maybe this LWN article can help?

http://lwn.net/Articles/465921/

Yes, but there is still the same problem- my question is
how is it
notified/config/whatever? I used hal in the equation
because that is
what *was* used, and all the data I could find on the net
was based on
it (mind you it is only in hindsight this "trade secret"
has been
divulged, and even then... hmmm). But Udev still has to use
the same
method as well, right? So what gives? It has to be stored
somewhere...
so where?
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http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-269054.html

Hope these help in some way as I can't seem to find a page that can really show 
what is needed to address the problem?  :(
Hmmm. I think I'm asking the wrong question in the wrong place :( I'd 
say I'm asking a gnome developer question which I'm not so sure I can 
get a straight answer here.


NP. The reason I asked was due to the lack of docs available regarding 
the subject, and it looks like the gnome developers don't hang out here...


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Re: "It's time for you to leave."

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 06:44 +0100, Patrick Lists wrote:
> On 30-12-11 05:16, Craig White wrote:
> > On this list, we have a pretty wide variety of users including those
> > that are simply desktop only end users that simply want to use a
> > computer and aren't necessarily computer hobbyists nor system admins.
> > Thus the fedora-users list doesn't even slightly resemble the other
> > lists that you mentioned and it seems to be an unreasonable expectation
> > that you have.
> 
> IMHO those who are totally inexperienced end-users may be better off 
> with Ubuntu or Mint. Given the cutting edge nature of this project it 
> seems less suited for inexperienced end-users. The other projects I 
> mentioned also get their fair share of n00bs. Nothing wrong with being a 
> n00b. In many areas I am sure I am a n00b too. Yet those projects seem 
> quite successful in maintaining how they want their Community to 
> interact. Don't see why it's unreasonable to expect an on-topic mailing 
> list.

I'm not sure that I agree with the notion that Ubuntu or Mint is better
for inexperienced users. The only difference that I can see is that
because of the location where Ubuntu is based, they don't feel the same
encumbrance of the US licensing/patents and thus it may be a easier to
get mp3's to play.

But Ubuntu list (to which I subscribe) has the same issues with
topicality.

Also, as far as I can tell, Fedora welcomes users of all levels of
skill.

> Contempt? Nope, life's too short for that. If it's unnecessarily harsh 
> to point out the official purpose of this list and mailing list 
> guidelines then again let's agree to disagree.

I think it's reasonable to presume contempt when you tell someone it's
time for them to leave.

As for the guidelines - sure - but there are all sorts of off-topic
postings including those by generally knowledgeable and helpful
posters... ie the recent discussions on eye sensitivity on colors. No,
you demonstrated contempt for a single participant - and actually one
that was a fairly avid Fedora user who obviously uses aging hardware
that struggles with the recent releases that are making it harder to use
a computer with less than 2GHz processor and 1MB RAM.

and yes, I am amenable to agreeing to disagree.

Craig


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Re: F16 - a good experience

[Maurizio Marini]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:34:01 +
mike cloaked  wrote:

> responsive and crisp xfce desktop.  I can do everything that I need to

but u are not using gnome 3 :)

m.
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Re: where is the config for dynamically added volumes in nautilus?

[Antonio Olivares]

> >> I've googled for close to a week to
> >> resolve this. I know that inserting a usb disk
> (depending on
> >> setup and version) causes a knock on effect by
> calling dbus,
> >> hal, and maybe more depending. But *how* does
> nautilus (or
> >> any other file manager system) find out that the
> disk is
> >> there and put an icon in the sidebar ("places")?
> >>
> >> I've checked bookmarks, GConf- nothing I can see
> anywhere
> >> tells me how this is done. I figured there must be
> a GConf
> >> setting somewhere or another backend that stores
> this
> >> otherwise there'd be too many lookups.
> >>
> >> Surely it can't be polling for it through hal
> >> continuously?
> >>
> >> Clues anyone?
> >> -- users mailing list
> > hal is no longer present in Fedora.  Which
> version of Fedora are you running?
> >
> > Now udisk takes care of mounting usb disks as they
> become available.
> >
> > I am trying to find a reference to indicate the
> changes and make it available here, but can't seem to find
> one.
> >
> > Maybe this LWN article can help?
> >
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/465921/
> Yes, but there is still the same problem- my question is
> how is it 
> notified/config/whatever? I used hal in the equation
> because that is 
> what *was* used, and all the data I could find on the net
> was based on 
> it (mind you it is only in hindsight this "trade secret"
> has been 
> divulged, and even then... hmmm). But Udev still has to use
> the same 
> method as well, right? So what gives? It has to be stored
> somewhere... 
> so where?
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http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-269054.html

Hope these help in some way as I can't seem to find a page that can really show 
what is needed to address the problem?  :(

Regards,

Antonio 
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Re: F16 - a good experience

[John Austin]

On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 13:15 +0100, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> +1
> 
> I love F16, it is the most stable and enjoyable release I have run to
> date, and I have been running since F8.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Lucélio Gomes de Freitas
>  wrote:
> +1
> 
> Em 30-12-2011 06:34, mike cloaked escreveu:
> > I know that recently some folk have posted of bad
> experiences with f16
> > - however I am running f16 on 6 machines (4 laptops and 2
> desktops)
> > with 4 x86_64 and 2 i686 - and all are now stable, and
> running with a
> > responsive and crisp xfce desktop.  I can do everything that
> I need to
> > do, and one of the machines is a server and has performed
> flawlessly
> > since its install about a month ago.
> >
> > Yes it does need some love and attention to get things
> configured and
> > set up working as desired (and some lookups and learning) -
> but I am
> > really pretty happy overall with f16 now - so this is
> general thank
> > you to all developers and testers in getting f16 to a good
> working
> > state - of course there are some residual bugs which need
> squashing
> > (Name "any" system has zero bugs after all!).
> >
> > Have a great New Year all.
> >
> 
+1

Running 4 off F16 64bit (XFCE) onto Centos 6.2 server

Great

John





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