question on iptables, port 631 and CUPS

[Paul Allen Newell]

Hello:

I am noticing that when I install a printer on my local network, I get 
an entry added to iptables to the effect of:

+++
-A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m udp -p udp --dprot 631 -j ACCEPT
+++

It actually shows up multiple times, which makes it look like each time 
I reinstalled the printer to get things right it did an automatic entry 
without bothering to check if it already there.


Everything I can find online makes it sound like this is "to be 
expected". However, I am seeing examples of manual additions of this 
rule adding a "-s 127.0.0.1". I take this to mean that it limits the 
request to "coming from my machine".


Is this a good idea or even necessary? My knowledge of iptables (very 
limited but getting better) thinks that the default rule allows any 
source addr or destin addr and the only limitation is that it is 
restricted to port 631. It would seem that if I wanted to really limit 
it, I would make the source addr myself/machine and the destin addr 
limited to my LAN (192.168.2.*) --- I'm still searching my notes from 
this list for the proper syntax as I know I have been emailed that before.


Am I understanding all this correctly?

Thanks in advance,
Paul
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Voting for packages waiting on FE-NEEDSPONSOR state

[Alek Paunov]

On 20.03.2012 20:30, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:37 +0200
Alek Paunov  wrote:


Which is the proper way to vote and describe potential benefits of a
new package, with candidate maintainer who needs sponsorship.


Voting for what?


For the package. As a Fedora user (not a packager at the time being) I 
would be happy to see number of projects (whose upstream development I 
closely follow) as a Fedora packages, but don't know how/where to 
express this and how to share my humble points about the potential 
benefits to the Distribution if we have them.




Maintainers that need sponsorship have to use one of the methods on:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group

Basically you need to convince a sponsor that you are trustworthy and
ready to be sponsored.


What happens when the candidate maintainer has done the packaging task 
fairly well ([1] as instance), but obviously is not active enough in the 
sponsor seeking? Which is the mechanism to "unstuck" the important 
packages from this state?


Thank you again,
Alek

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718681
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

extensions

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I cannot install any extensions which work.

I did what it is said in 
https://github.com/ojo/gnome-shell-extension-cpufreq


but, no extension appear in gnome-tweak-tool

in fact I get:

(I also tried:
sed -i 's/THEME_EXT_NAME = 
"user-th...@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org"/THEME_EXT_NAME = 
"user-th...@gnome-shell-extensions.gcampax.github.com"/' 
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell.py

)

and several things that I found on the net!
Coud you help?



WARNING : Schema /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.shell.gschema.xml 
missing summary text: 

  1
  

WARNING : Schema /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.shell.gschema.xml 
missing summary text: 

  0
  

WARNING : Error detecting shell
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
"/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell_extensions.py", 
line 145, in __init__

shell = GnomeShellFactory().get_shell()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/utils.py", line 38, in 
getinstance

instances[cls] = cls()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py", line 
123, in __init__

v = map(int,proxy.version.split("."))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py", line 
46, in version
return json.loads(self.execute_js('const Config = imports.misc.config; 
Config.PACKAGE_VERSION'))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py", line 
39, in execute_js

result, output = self.proxy.Eval('(s)', js)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gi/overrides/Gio.py", line 148, 
in __call__

kwargs.get('flags', 0), kwargs.get('timeout', -1), None)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gi/types.py", line 43, in 
function

return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
GError: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name 
org.gnome.Shell was not provided by any .service files

WARNING : Shell not running
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell.py", 
line 57, in __init__

self._shell = GnomeShellFactory().get_shell()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/utils.py", line 38, in 
getinstance

instances[cls] = cls()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py", line 
123, in __init__

v = map(int,proxy.version.split("."))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py", line 
46, in version
return json.loads(self.execute_js('const Config = imports.misc.config; 
Config.PACKAGE_VERSION'))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/gshellwrapper.py", line 
39, in execute_js

result, output = self.proxy.Eval('(s)', js)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gi/overrides/Gio.py", line 148, 
in __call__

kwargs.get('flags', 0), kwargs.get('timeout', -1), None)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gi/types.py", line 43, in 
function

return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
GError: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name 
org.gnome.Shell was not provided by any .service files

WARNING : Could not list shell extensions
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gtweak/tweaks/tweak_shell.py", 
line 62, in __init__

extensions = self._shell.list_extensions()
AttributeError: ShellThemeTweak instance has no attribute '_shell'

(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed


(gnome-tweak-tool:9317): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 
gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_wi

Re: Help with sound on Fc16

[stan]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:05:26 -0700
don fisher  wrote:

> I am trying to find documentation on the alsa/pulse audio system. My 
> goal is to set it up independent of gnome or KDE.

This is the default configuration for Fedora out of the box.
 
> If I run KDE the sound works. If I run twm or equivalent, it does
> not. Why is the sound configuration buried in the window manager?

It isn't.  Go to a console, Ctl-LeftAlt-F2, and type aplay .
You should hear sound.  Gnome and KDE provide an extra layer of
abstraction on top of pulseaudio, but that shouldn't affect your
ability to use sound outside of them.  If you have a standard install,
LeftAlt-F1 should get you back to the gui.  If not, try LeftAlt-F7.  I
use mplayer to play music through pulse at consoles all the time.
Audacious should do the same in any window manager (it's worked in
every wm I've tried).

> What do I have to do to implement the same function that KDE provides?

Do you have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio installed?  It sets up the system
so that things that are sent to alsa are routed through pulseaudio, and
is the default on Fedora. If it is, and sound doesn't work, adding your
user to the audio group should work. Note that pulse only allows a
single user to have sound at any time unless it is run as a daemon
(last I checked).

-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Help with sound on Fc16

[don fisher]

I am trying to find documentation on the alsa/pulse audio system. My 
goal is to set it up independent of gnome or KDE.


If I run KDE the sound works. If I run twm or equivalent, it does not. 
Why is the sound configuration buried in the window manager? What do I 
have to do to implement the same function that KDE provides?


Thanks,
don
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 00:19 +1030, Tim wrote:
> But much less precise.  It's all very well to say "this," "that," and
> "the other," need to start after "this thing," is easier to set.  But
> if you definitely need "this thing," followed by, "this," followed by
> "that," followed by "the other," in that precise order.  Then the
> numbered scheme does exactly what you want.

Tim, the point of the systemd scheme is that it allows you to specify a
directed graph (actually a directed acyclic graph or DAG) of
dependencies. In terms of expressive power this is a superset of what
you can do with the number scheme. IOW anything you can do with the
number system you can also do with a DAG, but often without
overspecifying the order and hence losing potential parallelism.

I'm saying this from a theoretical standpoint. Whether the potential
parallelism is really exploited and if so whether it has a real effect
is another matter, as is the syntax of the systemd command set.

poc

-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

[stan]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:30:19 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, stan wrote:

> > I think pentium 4 is fairly old hardware.  I doubt either the kernel
> > developers or Fedora developers are using such hardware, and so you
> > could be hitting a regression that wasn't caught during
> > kernel development because no one is running that hardware.
> 
> Any idea how I would find out for sure?

This bugzilla seems especially pertinent to your problem.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=730007
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[T.C. Hollingsworth]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
> Chris Rouch wrote:
>
>> I'd agree that the systemctl syntax is clumsier. But on my machines,
>> the boot time has reduced dramatically.
>
> I agree that boot time seems to have been reduced,
> at a guess about 15% in my case.
> However, I hardly ever re-boot,
> so any saving there was outweighed many times
> by the fact that I had to read what seemed like a very long tome
> to discover how to start openvpn.
> I still haven't discovered the equivalent of "chkconfig openvpn on"
> under the new dispensation.

Unfortunately you have identified a *bug* in systemctl, wherein
`systemctl enable` doesn't work with '@'-type services.  There's no
reason why it shouldn't work, so I've filed it in bugzilla:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806488

In the meantime, you can work around this bug by manually creating the
symlink `systemctl enable` usually creates.  So, if you have a
configuration file '/etc/openvpn/client.conf' and usually start the
service with `systemctl start openvpn@client.service`, you would run
`ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service
/etc/systemd/multi-user.target.wants/openvpn@client.service` to
manually enable it.

-T.C.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Reindl Harald]

Am 24.03.2012 00:32, schrieb jdow:
> The drivers generally exist for MacOS and Windows. So installation is no big
> sweat and avoids esoterica such as trying to figure out how to use a mother-
> board raid 5 configuration under Linux.

why are you doing things permanently wrong instead read manuals
or buy the hardware for your needs?

if you have a hardware RAID controller the os
does even not know that it runs on a RAID
what you are speaking about are fake-RAIDs

so why the hell not using a linux software-RAID at all
this works and needes no driver or hardware support

> (I've done it. It took a lot of
> reading and a basic understanding of RAID

but you finally did not understand the basics because if you do so
you would realize that you have no real RAID controller, disable any
RAID function in BIOS and  install a software RAID which works out of
the box since many years with each hardware and linux kernel

> For Windows - it just works if
> you install it with the desired driver, which the motherboard manufacturer
> provides.

let window scotnroll a RAID is a little pervers :-)

> You are telling a fellow his video card will not work. I've never encountered
> that with Windows. I have, twice personally, with Linux.
> 
> I won't get into why I think this happens. That's a different argument that
> is generally quite unproductive.

so install windows if you have tender love with nVidia
or make a request at nVidia why they do not make
their dirvers opensource if they are not able to
provide a new one on 2012-03-23 for a kernel released
on 2012-03-19

what do you expect?
kernel 3.3 is FOUR days old

agai: if you are using a distribution with
brand new software and kernels you have to
buy hardware which is supported by the kernel

> On 2012/03/23 15:25, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> the other OSs just work?
>> who told you?
>>
>> they only do because the manufactoror put a driver
>> CD in the package or the OS is preinstalled
>>
>> install windows without additional drivers on
>> a brand new Sandy Brdige machine and i bet half of
>> the hardware will not work - install linux and ALL
>> hardware is working out of the box
>>
>> BTW:
>> why are you saying OSs when you mean windows
>> or can you install MacOS on any hardware?
>> or will another OSS system work on not supported hardware?
>>
>> seems you do not realize that Linux is these days
>> the OS supporting most hardware of all out of the
>> box and you must do something terrible wrong buy
>> unsupported hardware
>>
>>
>> Am 23.03.2012 23:10, schrieb jdow:
>>> In that regard the fellow MIGHT try nouveau. But my experience with nouveau
>>> is not exciting either. Video worked - nVidia sound was absent. YMMV. The
>>> other OSs just work.
>>>
>>> On 2012/03/23 14:54, Reindl Harald wrote:
 who cares the leading desktop OS

 i PRAY it will never be, there were made way too
 much mistakes to satisfy user who are not willing
 to learn and think what they are doing

 if you buy hardware which is not supported by your
 OS who the hell is resposible for your mistakes?

 "a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
 a graphics card

 Am 23.03.2012 22:50, schrieb jdow:
> Reindl, the solution to Linux problems should not including spending a lot
> of money on new hardware. No wonder Linux is not the leading desktop OS.
>
> {o.o}
>
> On 2012/03/23 07:43, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
>>> I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia 
>>> drivers downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no
>>> problem
>>> until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.
>>
>> in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
>> well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it
>>
>> get rid of nvidia graphics
>>
>> the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
>> of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
>> which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
>> a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers



>>
>>
>>

-- 

Mit besten Grüßen, Reindl Harald
the lounge interactive design GmbH
A-1060 Vienna, Hofmühlgasse 17
CTO / software-development / cms-solutions
p: +43 (1) 595 3999 33, m: +43 (676) 40 221 40
icq: 154546673, http://www.thelounge.net/

http://www.thelounge.net/signature.asc.what.htm



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Changing timezone configuration

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 16:45 -0400, Lázaro Morales wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> How after a fresh install of Fedora (without UI) it can be changed the  
> timezone configuration? Is the file `/etc/adjtime` the correct? If is,  
> What mean each value?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Lázaro.
> 
> Este mensaje de correo electrónico ha sido procesado por el servidor de 
> Frioclima
> 
> 

Use: system-config-date
-- 
===
I'd rather push my Harley than ride a rice burner.
===
Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net

-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[jdow]

On 2012/03/23 15:42, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 03/23/2012 03:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

the other OSs just work?
who told you?


My sister's computer has an nVidia card, but she uses Ubuntu, not Fedora. Every
time she reboots after a kernel update, she's prompted by the Package Updater to
re-install the binary blob. She clicks OK, it installs the blob for her and
reboots. As far as she's concerned, It Just Works.


Oh, you just struck home with that one. Touche' pussycat!

{^_-}
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[jdow]

On 2012/03/23 15:30, Reindl Harald wrote:



Am 23.03.2012 23:26, schrieb Joe Zeff:

On 03/23/2012 02:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

"a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
a graphics card


most of us on this list are running Fedora strictly on our home machines,
not in a production environment the way you do, and that means that any
money spent on hardware upgrades comes out of our own pockets


so what?

i had enough years with really few money, but if i needed
hardware i went to a shop and bought it - sometimes that
meant drinking 3 beers less


You still don't get it. There are people, usually retired and significantly
older than I am, who are down to their last dimes. A video card would very
literally mean no beans today or we eat cat food or dog food today rather
than real food. Beers? That's racist. I don't do beer, for one person here.
If somebody is hungry beers are not in the budget. Video cards certainly
are not in the budget. They cost too many cans of beans, too many days of
food.


don't get me wrong but if someones life depends on the money
a working graphis card these days will cost he has enough
other problems than a computer and solve them first


How about if their quality of life depends on safely getting online to
communicate with others and avoid isolation. Not all of us are solitary
critters like I am. And even I need a communicate with others fix even
if it's not always feasible for me to get out of the house. (I get rather
randomly spontaneous vertigo attacks thanks to a problem in my left ear.
So I can't drive. Online opens the world to me. Thankfully I have a modest
programming consultancy providing beans and a few other goodies in excess
of the cost of the machines on which I produce the software. Others are
not so lucky.)

Those others get attracted to Linux because it reduces the cost of getting
online.

I have it chiefly for the local network support, firewall, mail filtering,
etc around here. Later on Linux will be "it" for me when I stop my
programming efforts. And I want Linux to be as good as possible. So I figure
reporting problems and asking for help or rendering real help when I can is
providing for my own future quality of life.

{^_^}
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[jdow]

The drivers generally exist for MacOS and Windows. So installation is no big
sweat and avoids esoterica such as trying to figure out how to use a mother-
board raid 5 configuration under Linux. (I've done it. It took a lot of
reading and a basic understanding of RAID. For Windows - it just works if
you install it with the desired driver, which the motherboard manufacturer
provides.

You are telling a fellow his video card will not work. I've never encountered
that with Windows. I have, twice personally, with Linux.

I won't get into why I think this happens. That's a different argument that
is generally quite unproductive.

{^_^}

On 2012/03/23 15:25, Reindl Harald wrote:

the other OSs just work?
who told you?

they only do because the manufactoror put a driver
CD in the package or the OS is preinstalled

install windows without additional drivers on
a brand new Sandy Brdige machine and i bet half of
the hardware will not work - install linux and ALL
hardware is working out of the box

BTW:
why are you saying OSs when you mean windows
or can you install MacOS on any hardware?
or will another OSS system work on not supported hardware?

seems you do not realize that Linux is these days
the OS supporting most hardware of all out of the
box and you must do something terrible wrong buy
unsupported hardware


Am 23.03.2012 23:10, schrieb jdow:

In that regard the fellow MIGHT try nouveau. But my experience with nouveau
is not exciting either. Video worked - nVidia sound was absent. YMMV. The
other OSs just work.

On 2012/03/23 14:54, Reindl Harald wrote:

who cares the leading desktop OS

i PRAY it will never be, there were made way too
much mistakes to satisfy user who are not willing
to learn and think what they are doing

if you buy hardware which is not supported by your
OS who the hell is resposible for your mistakes?

"a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
a graphics card

Am 23.03.2012 22:50, schrieb jdow:

Reindl, the solution to Linux problems should not including spending a lot
of money on new hardware. No wonder Linux is not the leading desktop OS.

{o.o}

On 2012/03/23 07:43, Reindl Harald wrote:



Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:

I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no
problem
until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.


in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it

get rid of nvidia graphics

the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers









--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Lawrence Graves]

On 03/23/2012 05:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 03/23/2012 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

if people do not buy crap needing
closed surce drivers they would too have no problems


Unless I miss my guess, the main reason people are using older 
hardware is because they've been using it for years and aren't in a 
position to upgrade.  There's not much you can do when you're stuck 
with "trailing edge technology" except hope that support for your 
cards isn't dropped until you can save up enough to get something better.
I believe this thread has taken off on an unnecessary tangent. I started 
this thread because of a problem with nvidia-installer. Since I reported 
that problem, I have installed the new nvidia drivers 295.33 and my 2007 
Dell 9400 Inspiron with a Quadro FX2500m video card (which is still 
being supported by nvidia people ) is running good. I rebuilt this 
computer a little over 6 months ago and installed the lastest and newest 
hardware out there for this computer. If you don't mind, I would 
appreciate it if you would either change the subject line or drop the 
thread all together. What a man decides to do with his own property is 
his business and really there should be no discussion as to any 
decisions he makes with that property.:-)

--
Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: nouveau KMS regression with kernel 3.3.0-4.fc16.x86_64

[Ian Pilcher]

On 03/23/2012 05:06 PM, jdow wrote:
> Um, have you looked at what happens if  you bring the mouse to the edges
> of the screen? It looks like X did not recognize your screen and stuffed
> your specified 1920 size screen into a 1600 or smaller size screen which
> scrolls around as you move your mouse to the screen edges. You must beat
> X into understanding your monitor's true size, if this is the case.

That's not what's happening.

I forgot to get the xrandr output (and the screen is in the office), but
xrandr shows it running at 1920x1200, with the exact same modeline as
the working kernel.

-- 

Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com
"If you're going to shift my paradigm ... at least buy me dinner first."


-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/23/2012 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

if people do not buy crap needing
closed surce drivers they would too have no problems


Unless I miss my guess, the main reason people are using older hardware 
is because they've been using it for years and aren't in a position to 
upgrade.  There's not much you can do when you're stuck with "trailing 
edge technology" except hope that support for your cards isn't dropped 
until you can save up enough to get something better.

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, jackson byers wrote:


Note:"  without making any additional physical media", i.e, no DVD, just the iso
Note: "use your existing GRUB boot loader"



It assumes that I have grub2.  I don't.
That is why I didn't use it.


I think you  are wrong here;
the F16 is first to use grub2, yes.
But the f16 doc says to use your *existing* GRUB boot loader,
which for your F14 is your legacy GRUB.


From the docs:

12.2. Editing the GRUB Configuration
The GRUB boot loader uses the configuration files /etc/default/grub and the 
scripts in etc/grub.d/. To configure GRUB to boot from the new files, add a 
boot stanza to /etc/grub.d/40_custom that refers to them.
A minimal boot stanza looks like the following listing:



menuentry "Fedora Linux" {
set root=(hd0,0)
linux /vmlinuz-install
initrd /initrd.img-install
}


The stanza is for grub2.
Also from 12.2:

When you are finished, run grub2-mkconfig with root privileges and open the 
grub.cfg file to view the updated configuration. Locate your new menu entry 
stanza and determine its place in the stanza order.


grub2-mkconfig is grub2-only.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, jackson byers wrote:

So if you have the files extracted from the F16 iso
stored somewhere on your F14,
you should be able to directly use the Horsley prescription.


That is what I have been trying to do lately.
It hasn't been working.

--
Michael   henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu
"On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class,
whom I teach not to run with scissors,
that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword."  --  Lily
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 23:42, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 03/23/2012 03:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> the other OSs just work?
>> who told you?
> 
> My sister's computer has an nVidia card, but she uses Ubuntu, not Fedora.  
> Every time she reboots after a kernel
> update, she's prompted by the Package Updater to re-install the binary blob.  
> She clicks OK, it installs the blob
> for her and reboots. As far as she's concerned, It Just Works.

you realized the the OP has a stone-old nvidia card
which needs the legacy driver - did you?

the only reason why it MAY be supported currently
by Ubuntu is that they ahve way much older kernels

the older kernels are a much bader situation
i remeber last year as i became my new workstation
F14 which was still supported at this time did not
support the on-borad intel network card and the
X-Server freezed the whole day with the SandyBrdige
graphics - so yes we need recent kernels to support
recent hardware and if people do not buy crap needing
closed surce drivers they would too have no problems



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/23/2012 03:42 PM, jackson byers wrote:

I think you  are wrong here;
  the F16 is first to use grub2, yes.
But the f16 doc says to use your*existing*  GRUB boot loader,
which for your F14 is your legacy GRUB.


If you upgrade to F16, you'll have grub2 installed, but you'll still be 
using legacy grub.  It's not hard to change over, but it's something 
you'll have to do for yourself.  In fact, the upgrade will even modify 
/boot/grub/grub.conf correctly just as it did before grub2 came out.

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/23/2012 03:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

don't get me wrong but if someones life depends on the money
a working graphis card these days will cost he has enough
other problems than a computer and solve them first


And sometimes, keeping an older computer limping along until you have 
the money for an upgrade is part of solving your money issues.  I'd 
suggest that you show the less fortunate a little bit of Christian 
Charity, but under the circumstances it'd be a tad hypocritical of me as 
I wasn't raised as a Christian.

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

[stan]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:30:19 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, stan wrote:

> > I think pentium 4 is fairly old hardware.  I doubt either the kernel
> > developers or Fedora developers are using such hardware, and so you
> > could be hitting a regression that wasn't caught during
> > kernel development because no one is running that hardware.
> 
> Any idea how I would find out for sure?

Sorry, I don't, and doing so is likely to be difficult - you could try
searching. But you seem to be a rare case having a problem installing
from the DVD, and you have rare hardware; correlation isn't causation,
but... To see if it was introduced with the branch from 2.6.3x to 3.x,
which seems like a logical assumption, you could try using the F15
install DVD. It still used the 2.6.3x kernels, though it is now updated
to 3.2.x kernels as 2.6.42.x.

> > No.  I am suggesting you create a custom initramfs for the DVD
> > kernel for your system.  Use it instead of the generic DVD
> > initramfs.  I am suggesting this because it might allow the boot
> > process to bypass the problem it is having running the DVD kernel.
> > It should still find the
> 
> That also means that I would have to generate the image somehow.
> I've no idea how I would do that.
> 
That's the command I posted a few posts ago.
/sbin/dracut -f -H -v --debug  custom-2.6.42.10-1.20120315.fc15.x86_64.img 
2.6.42.10-1.20120315.fc15.x86_64 > dracut_output 2>&1
You use dracut.  Whatever name you use where I've used custom, you need
to use it in the grub boot stanza for booting the ISO from the hard
drive.  In the stanza you posted before,
initrd /isolinux/initrd.img
replace initrd.img with whatever you call the new image you create with
dracut.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

[jackson byers]

>> Note:"  without making any additional physical media", i.e, no DVD, just the 
>> iso
>> Note: "use your existing GRUB boot loader"

>It assumes that I have grub2.  I don't.
>That is why I didn't use it.

I think you  are wrong here;
 the F16 is first to use grub2, yes.
But the f16 doc says to use your *existing* GRUB boot loader,
which for your F14 is your legacy GRUB.

So if you have the files extracted from the F16 iso
stored somewhere on your F14,
you should be able to directly use the Horsley prescription.

Jack
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/23/2012 03:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

the other OSs just work?
who told you?


My sister's computer has an nVidia card, but she uses Ubuntu, not 
Fedora.  Every time she reboots after a kernel update, she's prompted by 
the Package Updater to re-install the binary blob.  She clicks OK, it 
installs the blob for her and reboots.  As far as she's concerned, It 
Just Works.

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 23:26, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 03/23/2012 02:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> "a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
>> a graphics card
> 
> most of us on this list are running Fedora strictly on our home machines, 
> not in a production environment the way you do, and that means that any 
> money spent on hardware upgrades comes out of our own pockets

so what?

i had enough years with really few money, but if i needed
hardware i went to a shop and bought it - sometimes that
meant drinking 3 beers less

don't get me wrong but if someones life depends on the money
a working graphis card these days will cost he has enough
other problems than a computer and solve them first



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/23/2012 02:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

"a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
a graphics card


When you're barely making enough money to pay the bills and put food on 
the table, any money spent on a new graphics card is too much.  I know; 
I've been there more than once over the last few decades.  And, as you 
haven't figured it out, yet, most of us on this list are running Fedora 
strictly on our home machines, not in a production environment the way 
you do, and that means that any money spent on hardware upgrades comes 
out of our own pockets.

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Reindl Harald]

the other OSs just work?
who told you?

they only do because the manufactoror put a driver
CD in the package or the OS is preinstalled

install windows without additional drivers on
a brand new Sandy Brdige machine and i bet half of
the hardware will not work - install linux and ALL
hardware is working out of the box

BTW:
why are you saying OSs when you mean windows
or can you install MacOS on any hardware?
or will another OSS system work on not supported hardware?

seems you do not realize that Linux is these days
the OS supporting most hardware of all out of the
box and you must do something terrible wrong buy
unsupported hardware


Am 23.03.2012 23:10, schrieb jdow:
> In that regard the fellow MIGHT try nouveau. But my experience with nouveau
> is not exciting either. Video worked - nVidia sound was absent. YMMV. The
> other OSs just work.
> 
> On 2012/03/23 14:54, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> who cares the leading desktop OS
>>
>> i PRAY it will never be, there were made way too
>> much mistakes to satisfy user who are not willing
>> to learn and think what they are doing
>>
>> if you buy hardware which is not supported by your
>> OS who the hell is resposible for your mistakes?
>>
>> "a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
>> a graphics card
>>
>> Am 23.03.2012 22:50, schrieb jdow:
>>> Reindl, the solution to Linux problems should not including spending a lot
>>> of money on new hardware. No wonder Linux is not the leading desktop OS.
>>>
>>> {o.o}
>>>
>>> On 2012/03/23 07:43, Reindl Harald wrote:


 Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
> I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
> downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no
> problem
> until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.

 in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
 well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it

 get rid of nvidia graphics

 the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
 of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
 which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
 a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers
>>
>>
>>

-- 

Mit besten Grüßen, Reindl Harald
the lounge interactive design GmbH
A-1060 Vienna, Hofmühlgasse 17
CTO / software-development / cms-solutions
p: +43 (1) 595 3999 33, m: +43 (676) 40 221 40
icq: 154546673, http://www.thelounge.net/

http://www.thelounge.net/signature.asc.what.htm



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: [SOLVED FOR REAL:] Re: recover from a bad F16 install

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 3/21/2012 9:59 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

On 3/21/2012 4:58 AM, Tim wrote:

If a power supply is sagging, other things may have started working,
*then* a drive may try starting up, afterwards.  This changes the load
on the power supply, and the output from a failing power supply may drop
(voltage go down, as it's less able to supply current).



Tim:

A tip of the proverbial hat to you.

Removed one hard drive and I was able to redo the install. It complained 
about "Error processing LVM" but a reinit all fixed that.


Once I get a "bare minimum install", I'll swap hard drives to make 
certain that it isn't a problem with the other one. Of course, given 
that it looks like power supply is sagging, at some point I will assume 
that it might not like "only one hard drive". Whether I spring for a 
new/used power supply to nurse this old beast along is a separate 
question (probably answered with a "no").


I really appreciate the suggestion to consider the power supply.

Once again, thanks (and thanks to everyone else who offered help)
Paul

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

[Michael Hennebry]

I really hate it when the assumption that I
am stupid gets in the way of communication.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, jackson byers wrote:


Michael,
Your responses have me more and more confused as to exactly
what you are trying to do:


Install F16.


My machine can still boot from my FC13 installation disk.
I copied FC13's vmlinuz to a hard drive and
tried again with the grub command line.



I have F14 installed, but F13 is the most recent DVD I can find.


why are you booting from F13 installation disk if you have F14 installed?
why do you need to find the F14 DVD?


On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote:


On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, jackson byers wrote:


Michael,
did you follow the Andras->Tom Horsley link?


Yes.  See my previous reply.
I've done some *experimenting* since.
My machine can still boot from my FC13 installation disk.


*Emphasis* added.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, jackson byers wrote:


Does this mean:
--you do not have F13 installed?
--your F14 install is somehow broken?


It means that I have precisely one install disk that I can boot.
'Tisn't one I want.


What version of  installed-fedora are you operating from?


F14.


What version of fedora is the iso you are extracting from?


F16.


the hdinstall, as per Horsley, and as per fedoraproject:
is meant to operate from an already existing fedora system,
which you don't seem to have.


On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote:

My machine is 32 bit.  Its cpu is a pentium 4.
[hennebry@localhost ~]$ uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.35.14-106.fc14.i686.PAE #1 SMP Wed Nov 23
13:39:51 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux



Chapter 12. Installing Without Media



12.1. Retrieving Boot Files
12.2. Editing the GRUB Configuration
12.3. Booting to Installation



Linux Required
This procedure assumes you are already using Fedora or another relatively modern 
>Linux distribution, and the GRUB boot loader. It also assumes you are a somewhat 
>experienced Linux user.



This section discusses how to install Fedora on your system without making any 
>additional physical media. Instead, you can use your existing GRUB boot loader to 
start >the installation program


Note:"  without making any additional physical media", i.e, no DVD, just the iso
Note: "use your existing GRUB boot loader"


It assumes that I have grub2.  I don't.
That is why I didn't use it.
I did try the prescribed minimal CD.
From another thread:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Michael Hennebry wrote:


I made a minimal CD to start an install from hard drive.
It doesn't work.

The boot menu asks me to install or troubleshoot.
Hitting enter for install results in lots of text
scrolling off the page followed by catatonia.
The first time, the last line was incomplete.
The next time I used
linux ks=http://www.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~hennebry/anaconda-ks.cfg
The last line before catatonia included something like "end of dump".

The CD is not bad.
It's an exact copy of the iso from which it was made.
I read it back and did a diff to make sure.
The iso's sha256sum is
a4a7cc83163a2cecf1420c64d48123d0887e165aa17a72b8920f8d70bf003a65 .

How do I debug this?


As you can see from the date, this is getting a bit frustrating.

--
Michael   henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu
"On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class,
whom I teach not to run with scissors,
that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword."  --  Lily
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[jdow]

When you are on social security with "unpopular" or "orphan" disabilities and
a mortgage to meet even $25 is a big lump to have to pay. You're presuming
too much of your peers here.

Help is getting something working not telling somebody to throw it all away
and start over unless that really is the only way.

In that regard the fellow MIGHT try nouveau. But my experience with nouveau
is not exciting either. Video worked - nVidia sound was absent. YMMV. The
other OSs just work.

{^_^}

On 2012/03/23 14:54, Reindl Harald wrote:

who cares the leading desktop OS

i PRAY it will never be, there were made way too
much mistakes to satisfy user who are not willing
to learn and think what they are doing

if you buy hardware which is not supported by your
OS who the hell is resposible for your mistakes?

"a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
a graphics card

Am 23.03.2012 22:50, schrieb jdow:

Reindl, the solution to Linux problems should not including spending a lot
of money on new hardware. No wonder Linux is not the leading desktop OS.

{o.o}

On 2012/03/23 07:43, Reindl Harald wrote:



Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:

I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.


in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it

get rid of nvidia graphics

the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers





--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: nouveau KMS regression with kernel 3.3.0-4.fc16.x86_64

[jdow]

On 2012/03/23 10:08, Ian Pilcher wrote:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806091

Anyone have any ideas what I can do to debug/correct/workaround this?

Thanks!


Um, have you looked at what happens if  you bring the mouse to the edges
of the screen? It looks like X did not recognize your screen and stuffed
your specified 1920 size screen into a 1600 or smaller size screen which
scrolls around as you move your mouse to the screen edges. You must beat
X into understanding your monitor's true size, if this is the case.

{^_^}
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Reindl Harald]

who cares the leading desktop OS

i PRAY it will never be, there were made way too
much mistakes to satisfy user who are not willing
to learn and think what they are doing

if you buy hardware which is not supported by your
OS who the hell is resposible for your mistakes?

"a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
a graphics card

Am 23.03.2012 22:50, schrieb jdow:
> Reindl, the solution to Linux problems should not including spending a lot
> of money on new hardware. No wonder Linux is not the leading desktop OS.
> 
> {o.o}
> 
> On 2012/03/23 07:43, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
>>> I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
>>> downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
>>> until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.
>>
>> in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
>> well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it
>>
>> get rid of nvidia graphics
>>
>> the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
>> of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
>> which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
>> a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[jdow]

Reindl, the solution to Linux problems should not including spending a lot
of money on new hardware. No wonder Linux is not the leading desktop OS.

{o.o}

On 2012/03/23 07:43, Reindl Harald wrote:



Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:

I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.


in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it

get rid of nvidia graphics

the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers





--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

[Michael Hennebry]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, stan wrote:


On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:23:54 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:


On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, stan wrote:



>> I have noticed that all my kernels end in .PAE .
>> Could that be significant?

Oops. I should have written .PAE.img


Kernels don't end in .img, that's the initrd / initramfs.  Here is a
sample kernel name:
vmlinuz-2.6.42.12-1.20120323.fc15.x86_64
Here is the rpm initramfs file name for that kernel:
initramfs-2.6.42.12-1.20120323.fc15.x86_64.img


Oops. Right the first time.
The kernels end in .PAE .  The ramdisk images end in .PAE.img .


I think pentium 4 is fairly old hardware.  I doubt either the kernel
developers or Fedora developers are using such hardware, and so you
could be hitting a regression that wasn't caught during
kernel development because no one is running that hardware.


Any idea how I would find out for sure?


No.  I am suggesting you create a custom initramfs for the DVD kernel
for your system.  Use it instead of the generic DVD initramfs.  I am
suggesting this because it might allow the boot process to bypass the
problem it is having running the DVD kernel.  It should still find the


That also means that I would have to generate the image somehow.
I've no idea how I would do that.

--
Michael   henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu
"On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class,
whom I teach not to run with scissors,
that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword."  --  Lily
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 21:49, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
> Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
>> most machines where systemctl is relevant do not evem have any DE
>> so what.
> 
> Presumably you are talking about Fedora, since you are contributing
> to a Fedora newsgroup.
> I would have thought an overwhelming majority of Fedora users
> are running services, and also have a DE.

hm - only i maintain currently 25 fedora isntances not having any DUI

>> the guy whining about openvpn does simply not recognize
>> that this is a SPECIAL CASE because it makes sense to
>> have it active as client in one network while another
>> instance providing openvpn as service on the same machine
> 
> First of all, I imagine there are very few people
> running an openvpn server and an openvpn client on the same Fedora machine.

first of all there are very few people running openvpn as
service at all, they majority running vpn-services as client
are the one with a DE

> Secondly, there are many services where one could in theory
> be running two instances on the same machine

not so much and they one who makes sense are not much
better useable - setup a second mysqld instance with
a systemd-unit takes 2 minutes (proven by done multiple times)



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Changing timezone configuration

[Maciek Borzecki]

try man 8 tzselect

--
Maciek Borzecki



2012/3/23 Lázaro Morales :
> Hello,
>
> How after a fresh install of Fedora (without UI) it can be changed the
> timezone configuration? Is the file `/etc/adjtime` the correct? If is, What
> mean each value?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Lázaro.
>
> Este mensaje de correo electrónico ha sido procesado por el servidor de
> Frioclima
>
>
> --
> users mailing list
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Changing timezone configuration

[Lázaro Morales]

Hello,

How after a fresh install of Fedora (without UI) it can be changed the  
timezone configuration? Is the file `/etc/adjtime` the correct? If is,  
What mean each value?


Thanks in advance,
Lázaro.

Este mensaje de correo electrónico ha sido procesado por el servidor de 
Frioclima


--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Timothy Murphy]

Reindl Harald wrote:

> most machines where systemctl is relevant do not evem have any DE
> so what.

Presumably you are talking about Fedora, since you are contributing
to a Fedora newsgroup.
I would have thought an overwhelming majority of Fedora users
are running services, and also have a DE.

> the guy whining about openvpn does simply not recognize
> that this is a SPECIAL CASE because it makes sense to
> have it active as client in one network while another
> instance providing openvpn as service on the same machine

First of all, I imagine there are very few people
running an openvpn server and an openvpn client on the same Fedora machine.

Secondly, there are many services where one could in theory
be running two instances on the same machine.

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin


-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

[jackson byers]

Michael,
Your responses have me more and more confused as to exactly
what you are trying to do:

>My machine can still boot from my FC13 installation disk.
>I copied FC13's vmlinuz to a hard drive and
>tried again with the grub command line.

>I have F14 installed, but F13 is the most recent DVD I can find.

why are you booting from F13 installation disk if you have F14 installed?
why do you need to find the F14 DVD?

Does this mean:
--you do not have F13 installed?
--your F14 install is somehow broken?

What version of  installed-fedora are you operating from?
What version of fedora is the iso you are extracting from?
Is either F15,F16 involved?



the hdinstall, as per Horsley, and as per fedoraproject:
is meant to operate from an already existing fedora system,
which you don't seem to have.

>Chapter 12. Installing Without Media

>12.1. Retrieving Boot Files
>12.2. Editing the GRUB Configuration
>12.3. Booting to Installation

>Linux Required
>This procedure assumes you are already using Fedora or another relatively 
>modern >Linux distribution, and the GRUB boot loader. It also assumes you are 
>a somewhat >experienced Linux user.

>This section discusses how to install Fedora on your system without making any 
>>additional physical media. Instead, you can use your existing GRUB boot 
>loader to start >the installation program

Note:"  without making any additional physical media", i.e, no DVD, just the iso
Note: "use your existing GRUB boot loader"


Jack
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:40:26 -0600
Lawrence Graves  wrote:

> I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
> downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem until the latest kernel was 
> introduced. Please advise or help.

You need to ask Nvidia, it's their driver and only they have the source
to it, so only they can help you. Probably you'll just have to wait for
them to release a new driver.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 18:36, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
> Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 23.03.2012 10:26, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
>>> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service
>>> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such
>>> file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service'
>>> for details.
>>> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl enable openvpn.service
>>> Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory
>>>
>>> Nb I know how to start the service,
>>> but I don't know any simple way to enable it.
>>
>> why the hell do you not read answers?
> 
> Please read more carefully the posting you are responding to

please try to understadn what people are telling you

> I had been advised that the commands I used would start and enable openvpn.
> I was simply pointing out that this is not so.

you were advised by people never seen openvpn and
blindly thinking it acts the same way as all other
services

 If your openvpn config file is /etc/openvpn/client.conf, do:


 ln -s /lib/systemd/system/openvpn\@.service
 /etc/systemd/system/openvpn\@client.service

 systemctl daemon-reload

 systemctl start openvpn@client.service

 systemctl status openvpn@client.service
> 
> Again, read what I said: I don't know any SIMPLE way to enable openvpn.
> I do not regard what you wrote as a simple way to enable a service.
> Also, as I pointed out, it did not work for me,
> though I am quite prepared to believe this was due to a typo
> or other error on my part.
> (I would not be likely to make an error with "chkconfig openvpn on".)

the quote above is NOT from me

you simply do not recognize that this is a SPECIAL CASE because it
makes sense to have it active as client in one network while another
instance providing openvpn as service on the same machine

how do you do that?
come on tell as the syntax to enable two openvpn instances
(one server and one client) with chkconfig!

ONE LAST time i post you the systemd-unit to let openvpn
behave like all the years before - only one instance possible
and after create this damned file you can even do
"chkconfig openvpn on" because it will be redirected to systemctl
in the right order

and if you like the simple syntax you can put as many
copies as you need under /etc/systemd/system/ for
different instances which different parameters
and use "chkconfig" for all of them

so please stop whine around because ONE SPECIFIC SPECIAL SERVICE
for nearly all others you can use "chkconfig" as all the years before

[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/openvpn.service
[Unit]
Description=OpenVPN
After=syslog.target network.target

[Service]
Type=forking
PIDFile=/var/run/openvpn/openvpn.pid
ExecStartPre=
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/openvpn --daemon --writepid /var/run/openvpn/openvpn.pid 
--cd /etc/openvpn/ --config openvpn.conf
ExecStopPost=
Restart=always
RestartSec=1

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: [389-users] Repair replication

[Rich Megginson]

On 03/23/2012 11:09 AM, Herb Burnswell wrote:

Thanks for the reply David.

>> 1. How can I find out which system(s) is/are master, consumer, hub, 
etc?
You should be able to determine the role of the Directory Server 
for each

system by logging into the LDAP console under
"Configuration->Replication".  The role is either "Single Master", 
"Hub" or

"Dedicated Consumer".

I was able to determine that we have two "Multiple Master" systems.  
Let's call them 'A' and 'B'.  System A has been the only system 
running for what appears to be several years (it is being backed up 
nightly).  System B has been off for some time but is running now.


>> 2. How do I confirm that the systems have the correct credentials for
replication? (I am receiving: "Unable to acquire replica: Permission
denied.")
   a. How can I change the bind dn "cn=replication,cn=config" credentials
on each system to ensure replication will work?
You can do that on the console as well.  Just navigate down the 
directory

tree and manually reset the password for the replication user account.
There's a possibility that your replication user account's 
password expired.


I can navigate to the screen to reset the password for the replication 
user account.  I have not reset the passwords yet as I am reading 
documentation to confirm that system B will simply update it's data to 
system A's upon resuming replication.
When you change the password of the replication user on B, you'll also 
have to update those credentials in the replication agreement on A for 
the agreement from A to B.


Note that if replication has been down for years, you will have to 
perform a manual replica initialization procedure - replication will not 
automatically "catch up" if it has been down that long.


>> 3. I assume that upon repairing replication (apparently it has not been
working for several years) the systems will all replicate to the most
recent information.  Correct?
I think that's the tricky part.  Make sure you backup your 
directory on all
the LDAP first so you have something to roll back.  I *believe* 
the last
step when setting up replication is initializing the directory and 
that
will wipe out directory on the other LDAP.  Someone on the list 
might  be
able to provide a better on this but I am just giving you a heads 
up that

this can be a complicated process.

Given the fact that system B has not been running for some time, 
ideally it would simply replicate to the current data on system A.  
After replication is reestablished the systems are set up to "Always 
keep directories in sync".  If anyone can confirm the behavior that 
will occur upon replication on these two systems it would be greatly 
appreciated.


Thanks in advance,

Herb


--

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:40:34 -0400
From: Chun Tat David Chu mailto:beyonddc.stor...@gmail.com>>
To: "General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project."
<389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org
>
Subject: Re: [389-users] Repair replication
Message-ID:
mailto:cancf8olyket99sb_ou4u3cer8u89ugwzhgubthekcf9hwnk...@mail.gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hey Herb,

You should refer to the Red Hat Directory Server administration
guide for
detail about setting up replication which you can locate in here.
http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Directory_Server/

>> 1. How can I find out which system(s) is/are master, consumer,
hub, etc?
You should be able to determine the role of the Directory Server
for each
system by logging into the LDAP console under
"Configuration->Replication".  The role is either "Single Master",
"Hub" or
"Dedicated Consumer".

>> 2. How do I confirm that the systems have the correct
credentials for
replication? (I am receiving: "Unable to acquire replica: Permission
denied.")
   a. How can I change the bind dn "cn=replication,cn=config"
credentials
on each system to ensure replication will work?
You can do that on the console as well.  Just navigate down the
directory
tree and manually reset the password for the replication user account.
There's a possibility that your replication user account's
password expired.

>> 3. I assume that upon repairing replication (apparently it has
not been
working for several years) the systems will all replicate to the most
recent information.  Correct?
I think that's the tricky part.  Make sure you backup your
directory on all
the LDAP first so you have something to roll back.  I *believe*
the last
step when setting up replication is initializing the directory and
that
will wipe out directory on the other LDAP.  Someone on the list
might  be
able to provide a better on this but I am just giving you a hea

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 18:42, schrieb Frank Murphy:
> On 23/03/12 17:37, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this
>>> rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui.
>>
>> Assuming, of course, that your DE has something like that. Not all
>> Fedora users run Gnome, you know.
> 
> s-c-s is DE agnostic, running fine on  Xfce

most machines where systemctl is relevant do not evem have any DE
so what.

what all the people crying here missing in systemctl start/stop is
that they can use their holy chkconfig and it will be redirected

the guy whining about openvpn does simply not recognize
that this is a SPECIAL CASE because it makes sense to
have it active as client in one network while another
instance providing openvpn as service on the same machine

[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ chkconfig httpd off
Hinweis: Anfrage wird weitergeleitet an »systemctl disable httpd.service«.
rm '/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/httpd.service'

[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ chkconfig httpd on
Hinweis: Anfrage wird weitergeleitet an »systemctl enable httpd.service«.
ln -s '/lib/systemd/system/httpd.service' 
'/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/httpd.service'




signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: booting from DVD image on hard drive partition

[stan]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:23:54 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry  wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, stan wrote:
> 

> > Perhaps Grub2 is using it somehow?  These suggestions are longshots.
> 
> grub2 is not installed on my machine.
> If it's packaged with the install kernel,
> then I would expecct them to be a matched set.

Then grub might be using it, and anaconda might not expect that from
the DVD.  As I said, this seems unlikely, but possible.

> >> I have noticed that all my kernels end in .PAE .
> >> Could that be significant?
> 
> Oops. I should have written .PAE.img

Kernels don't end in .img, that's the initrd / initramfs.  Here is a
sample kernel name:
vmlinuz-2.6.42.12-1.20120323.fc15.x86_64
Here is the rpm initramfs file name for that kernel:
initramfs-2.6.42.12-1.20120323.fc15.x86_64.img

> My machine is 32 bit.  Its cpu is a pentium 4.
> [hennebry@localhost ~]$ uname -a
> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.35.14-106.fc14.i686.PAE #1 SMP Wed
> Nov 23 13:39:51 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

I think pentium 4 is fairly old hardware.  I doubt either the kernel
developers or Fedora developers are using such hardware, and so you
could be hitting a regression that wasn't caught during
kernel development because no one is running that hardware.

> 
> >> > Another idea.  Maybe you can run dracut on the vmlinuz from the
> >> > DVD, and generate a custom (I think that is the -h option)
> >> > initramfs for your system.  Use it instead of the one from the
> >> > DVD when you boot from grub.
> >> 
> >> I've no idea how I would improve the initram already there.
> >> I don't even understand:
> >> dracut [OPTION]...   
> >> ?
> > initramfs
> 
> A sequence of bytes representing one partition
> containing the root file system?

From the man page, "dracut creates an initial image used by the kernel
for preloading the block device modules (such as IDE, SCSI or RAID)
which are needed to access the root filesystem."  In your case, this
will be the drivers for the hard drives you have.

> 
> >> ?
> > vmlinuz version
> 
> The name of a kernel?
No, the version of a kernel. In the kernel line from /boot
vmlinuz-2.6.42.12-1.20120323.fc15.x86_64
vmlinuz is the name, and the rest is the version.
> 
> > This is an example of the command I use to generate a custom
> > initramfs for my system.
> >
> > /sbin/dracut -f -H -v --debug
> > custom-2.6.42.10-1.20120315.fc15.x86_64.img
> > 2.6.42.10-1.20120315.fc15.x86_64 > dracut_output 2>&1
> > 
> > You should name the custom part whatever you want to call the
> > initramfs, and put the version of the vmlinuz in the second part.
> > It doesn't need the vmlinuz on the front.  If there are any errors,
> > they
> 
> What does the version do?

It tells it which kernel to create the initramfs for.

> 
> > will be in the dracut_output.  You could split the output so errors
> > go to their own file, > dracut_output 2> dracut_error, if you
> > want.  I've never tried this with a DVD image, so it might not work.
> 
> Are you suggesting that I make the DVD
> filesystem part of the initial ramdisk image?
> Wouldn't I also need whatever was in the prepackaged initial ramdisk
> image? How might the new ramdisk help me?

No.  I am suggesting you create a custom initramfs for the DVD kernel
for your system.  Use it instead of the generic DVD initramfs.  I am
suggesting this because it might allow the boot process to bypass the
problem it is having running the DVD kernel.  It should still find the
ISO image because of the kernel line parameters.  And you could be
right above.  I don't know if it requires the DVD ISO9660 fs or not in
the initramfs.  I think it should be able to get that from the kernel,
as it is probably compiled in or a module.  I don't know if this will
work, as this too is a long shot, but long shots seems to be all you
have left to try.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/23/2012 07:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

get rid of nvidia graphics


Sure; glad to, provided that you're going to buy me the new card.  It's 
always easy, isn't it, to throw somebody else's money at a problem.

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Frank Murphy]

On 23/03/12 17:37, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:

no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this
rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui.


Assuming, of course, that your DE has something like that. Not all
Fedora users run Gnome, you know.


s-c-s is DE agnostic, running fine on  Xfce.

--
Regards,
Frank
"Jack of all, fubars"
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:

no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this
rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui.


Assuming, of course, that your DE has something like that.  Not all 
Fedora users run Gnome, you know.

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Timothy Murphy]

Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 23.03.2012 10:26, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
>> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service
>> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such
>> file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service'
>> for details.
>> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl enable openvpn.service
>> Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory
>> 
>> Nb I know how to start the service,
>> but I don't know any simple way to enable it.
> 
> why the hell do you not read answers?

Please read more carefully the posting you are responding to.
I had been advised that the commands I used would start and enable openvpn.
I was simply pointing out that this is not so.

>>> If your openvpn config file is /etc/openvpn/client.conf, do:
>>>
>>>
>>> ln -s /lib/systemd/system/openvpn\@.service
>>> /etc/systemd/system/openvpn\@client.service
>>>
>>> systemctl daemon-reload
>>>
>>> systemctl start openvpn@client.service
>>>
>>> systemctl status openvpn@client.service

Again, read what I said: I don't know any SIMPLE way to enable openvpn.
I do not regard what you wrote as a simple way to enable a service.
Also, as I pointed out, it did not work for me,
though I am quite prepared to believe this was due to a typo
or other error on my part.
(I would not be likely to make an error with "chkconfig openvpn on".)




-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin


-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: [389-users] Repair replication

[Herb Burnswell]

Thanks for the reply David.

>> 1. How can I find out which system(s) is/are master, consumer, hub, etc?
You should be able to determine the role of the Directory Server for
each
system by logging into the LDAP console under
"Configuration->Replication".  The role is either "Single Master",
"Hub" or
"Dedicated Consumer".

I was able to determine that we have two "Multiple Master" systems.  Let's
call them 'A' and 'B'.  System A has been the only system running for what
appears to be several years (it is being backed up nightly).  System B has
been off for some time but is running now.

>> 2. How do I confirm that the systems have the correct credentials for
replication? (I am receiving: "Unable to acquire replica: Permission
denied.")
   a. How can I change the bind dn "cn=replication,cn=config" credentials
on each system to ensure replication will work?
You can do that on the console as well.  Just navigate down the
directory
tree and manually reset the password for the replication user account.
There's a possibility that your replication user account's password
expired.

I can navigate to the screen to reset the password for the replication user
account.  I have not reset the passwords yet as I am reading documentation
to confirm that system B will simply update it's data to system A's upon
resuming replication.

>> 3. I assume that upon repairing replication (apparently it has not been
working for several years) the systems will all replicate to the most
recent information.  Correct?
I think that's the tricky part.  Make sure you backup your directory on
all
the LDAP first so you have something to roll back.  I *believe* the last
step when setting up replication is initializing the directory and that
will wipe out directory on the other LDAP.  Someone on the list might
 be
able to provide a better on this but I am just giving you a heads up
that
this can be a complicated process.

Given the fact that system B has not been running for some time, ideally it
would simply replicate to the current data on system A.  After replication
is reestablished the systems are set up to "Always keep directories in
sync".  If anyone can confirm the behavior that will occur upon replication
on these two systems it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Herb


 --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:40:34 -0400
> From: Chun Tat David Chu 
> To: "General discussion list for the 389 Directory server project."
><389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [389-users] Repair replication
> Message-ID:
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hey Herb,
>
> You should refer to the Red Hat Directory Server administration guide for
> detail about setting up replication which you can locate in here.
> http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Directory_Server/
>
> >> 1. How can I find out which system(s) is/are master, consumer, hub, etc?
> You should be able to determine the role of the Directory Server for each
> system by logging into the LDAP console under
> "Configuration->Replication".  The role is either "Single Master", "Hub" or
> "Dedicated Consumer".
>
> >> 2. How do I confirm that the systems have the correct credentials for
> replication? (I am receiving: "Unable to acquire replica: Permission
> denied.")
>a. How can I change the bind dn "cn=replication,cn=config" credentials
> on each system to ensure replication will work?
> You can do that on the console as well.  Just navigate down the directory
> tree and manually reset the password for the replication user account.
> There's a possibility that your replication user account's password
> expired.
>
> >> 3. I assume that upon repairing replication (apparently it has not been
> working for several years) the systems will all replicate to the most
> recent information.  Correct?
> I think that's the tricky part.  Make sure you backup your directory on all
> the LDAP first so you have something to roll back.  I *believe* the last
> step when setting up replication is initializing the directory and that
> will wipe out directory on the other LDAP.  Someone on the list might  be
> able to provide a better on this but I am just giving you a heads up that
> this can be a complicated process.
>
> Good luck
>
> - David
>
> 2012/3/21 Herb Burnswell 
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm new to LDAP administration and have been tasked with fixing the
> system
> > replication of 4 Linux systems running Fedora Directory Services.  I am
> > very comfortable working with Linux/Unix but am not experienced with
> LDAP.
> > I've been reading the communications from this user group and reading as
> > much as I can from documentation.  I believe this environment is not too
> > complex but I am looking for some guidance, any assistance is greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Info:
> >
> > OS: Fedora Core 4
> > LDAP: Fedora Directory Server v 7.1
> >
> > First, I kn

nouveau KMS regression with kernel 3.3.0-4.fc16.x86_64

[Ian Pilcher]

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806091

Anyone have any ideas what I can do to debug/correct/workaround this?

Thanks!

-- 

Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com
"If you're going to shift my paradigm ... at least buy me dinner first."


-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Lawrence Graves]

On 03/23/2012 09:40 AM, John Wendel wrote:

On 03/23/2012 08:31 AM, John Horne wrote:

On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:47 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote:


On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia 
drivers downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem

until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.

in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it

get rid of nvidia graphics

the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers




I agree, I believe it is time for me to scrap my Dell 9400 Inspiron
with its FX2500m graphic video card and invest in a newer model. I am
going to miss her. She has been very dependable.


Likewise (time to scrap...). I can't run the latest F15 kernel because
I'm still waiting on the nvidia drivers, and the 100% CPU problem I have
is happening pretty much whenever I go near a web site (see previous
post about this). At work my F15 PC with Intel graphics has no such
problems.

(Generally my home PC is okay, so I should only need to replace the
graphics card :-) )



John.

I run the latest Nvidia drivers with F15 latest kernel. Since you're 
on F15, updates are going to stop soon, so just get the drivers direct 
from Nvidia. They work great for me.


John

I am using Fedora 16. I start with Beta every time there is a new release.
--
Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Michael Cronenworth]

Lawrence Graves wrote:

I agree, I believe it is time for me to scrap my Dell 9400 Inspiron with
its FX2500m


The FX series chips are not supported by the 295.33 driver. You have to 
use the legacy driver, which has not been updated for kernel 3.3 AFAIK. 
I'm using the 295.33 driver with my 9000 series chips and the 3.3 kernel 
without a problem.


I would suggesting using nouveau over the binary driver for your very 
old, slow chip. The NVIDIA binary driver will not provide you with a 
better experience.

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Compiling wine i686 on x86_64 system

[Fedora User]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:33:35 +0200
Pasha R  wrote:

> >
> > Do you mind if I ask why? The 64-bit package works perfectly for
> > things like TweetDeck and Picassa.
> 
> Latest 64-bit wine packages require their 32-bit counterparts to be
> installed, too.

They don't take up much space; They don't compete with each other and
they are necessary to run 32-bit programs like TweetDeck. 

Back around FC-2 or 3 (when it was "FC") I used to customize many, if
not most, of the packages that I used frequently. I would even
routinely re-work KDE and I always used a custom kernel.

These days, Fedora has become so complex and dependencies so intricate
that I avoid custom RPM's at all cost in order not to create issues
when other packages are updated.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[John Wendel]

On 03/23/2012 08:31 AM, John Horne wrote:

On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:47 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote:


On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:

I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.

in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it

get rid of nvidia graphics

the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers




I agree, I believe it is time for me to scrap my Dell 9400 Inspiron
with its FX2500m graphic video card and invest in a newer model. I am
going to miss her. She has been very dependable.


Likewise (time to scrap...). I can't run the latest F15 kernel because
I'm still waiting on the nvidia drivers, and the 100% CPU problem I have
is happening pretty much whenever I go near a web site (see previous
post about this). At work my F15 PC with Intel graphics has no such
problems.

(Generally my home PC is okay, so I should only need to replace the
graphics card :-) )



John.

I run the latest Nvidia drivers with F15 latest kernel. Since you're on 
F15, updates are going to stop soon, so just get the drivers direct from 
Nvidia. They work great for me.


John

--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: nvidia-installer

[Peter Reed]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:24:28 -0600
Lawrence Graves  wrote:

> I believe there is something wrong with the nvidia-installer and I
> don't know where to begin to troubleshoot this problem. Will someone
> advise. There is a patch out there but I don't know how to install it
> or where to install it. Please help.

Hello,
See this page(1) on what happened and how to fix it.

(1)http://weltall.heliohost.org/wordpress/2012/01/20/linux-kernel-3-3-rc1-and-nvidia-drivers/
Peter
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[John Horne]

On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:47 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote:
> 
> 
> On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: 
> > 
> > Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
> > > I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
> > > downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
> > > until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.
> > in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
> > well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it
> > 
> > get rid of nvidia graphics
> > 
> > the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
> > of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
> > which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
> > a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers
> > 
> > 
> > 
> I agree, I believe it is time for me to scrap my Dell 9400 Inspiron
> with its FX2500m graphic video card and invest in a newer model. I am
> going to miss her. She has been very dependable.
>  
Likewise (time to scrap...). I can't run the latest F15 kernel because
I'm still waiting on the nvidia drivers, and the 100% CPU problem I have
is happening pretty much whenever I go near a web site (see previous
post about this). At work my F15 PC with Intel graphics has no such
problems.

(Generally my home PC is okay, so I should only need to replace the
graphics card :-) )



John.

-- 
John Horne   Tel: +44 (0)1752 587287
Plymouth University, UK  Fax: +44 (0)1752 587001
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

nvidia-installer

[Lawrence Graves]

I believe there is something wrong with the nvidia-installer and I don't 
know where to begin to troubleshoot this problem. Will someone advise. 
There is a patch out there but I don't know how to install it or where 
to install it. Please help.

--
Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Ian Chapman]

On 03/23/2012 01:26 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:


There is way less wonky bash scripting in the new service file, because
it is mostly declarations, rather than code. As an added bonus, the old
postgrey init script never worked properly for me (it did not kill
cleanly, no idea why), but the new systemd service file works great.


Wish I could say the same. When systemd works - it works fine. The 
trouble is when it doesn't work - it just sucks for diagnosing what's 
going on. It's practically impossible to tell why something isn't 
working because you have no idea of the dependencies between services 
and when and how they get started. There is a lot of documentation but 
its very obtuse. I've seen services fail to start on boot but if you 
manually start them - they work. I've seen services fail to stop causing 
the system to hang (until you repeatedly press ctrl-alt-del) and so on. 
Never mind the weirdness like trying to stop a non existant service - 
the service shows up as failed with a systemctl -a. Can't see what use 
that is. I hate having to write .service on the end of everything - it's 
completely superfluous. I love the concept of systemctl but its human 
interface is just awful.



--
Ian Chapman.
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Lawrence Graves]

On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:


Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:

I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.

in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it

get rid of nvidia graphics

the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers



I agree, I believe it is time for me to scrap my Dell 9400 Inspiron with 
its FX2500m graphic video card and invest in a newer model. I am going 
to miss her. She has been very dependable.

--
Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: [389-users] Problems logging in with 389-console

[Rich Megginson]

On 03/22/2012 10:47 AM, Mike Mercier wrote:

Hi,

Sorry for the delay...

/var/log/dirsrv/admin-serv/access

127.0.0.1 - cn=Directory Manager [22/Mar/2012:12:43:32 -0400] "GET
/admin-serv/authenticate HTTP/1.0" 401 478

/var/log/dirsrv/admin-serv/error
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:26 2012] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:27 2012] [notice] SELinux policy enabled; httpd
running as context system_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:28 2012] [error] Could not bind as []: ldap error
-1: Can't contact LDAP server
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:28 2012] [error] Could not bind as []: ldap error
-1: Can't contact LDAP server
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:28 2012] [warn] Unable to bind as LocalAdmin to
populate LocalAdmin tasks into cache.
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:28 2012] [notice] Access Host filter is: *
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:28 2012] [notice] Access Address filter is: *
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:29 2012] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Unix) configured --
resuming normal operations
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:29 2012] [error] Could not bind as []: ldap error
-1: Can't contact LDAP server
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:29 2012] [error] Could not bind as []: ldap error
-1: Can't contact LDAP server
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:29 2012] [warn] Unable to bind as LocalAdmin to
populate LocalAdmin tasks into cache.
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:29 2012] [notice] Access Host filter is: *
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:29 2012] [notice] Access Address filter is: *
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:32 2012] [notice] [client 127.0.0.1]
admserv_host_ip_check: ap_get_remote_host could not resolve 127.0.0.1
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:32 2012] [error] Could not bind as []: ldap error
-1: Can't contact LDAP server
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:32 2012] [error] Could not bind as []: ldap error
-1: Can't contact LDAP server
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:32 2012] [notice] [client 127.0.0.1] unable to bind
to server [localhost.localdomain:389] as [(anonymous)]
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:32 2012] [crit] buildUGInfo(): unable to initialize
TLS connection to LDAP host localhost.localdomain port 389: 4


Can you post your /etc/dirsrv/admin-serv/adm.conf?
Have you configured your directory server to use SSL?


[Thu Mar 22 12:43:32 2012] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] user
cn=Directory Manager not found: /admin-serv/authenticate

NOTE: This is after modifying 'local.conf' with
configuration.nsadminaccesshosts: *

Thanks,
Mike

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Mark Reynolds  wrote:

Hi Michael,

see comments below...


On 03/16/2012 02:42 PM, Michael Mercier wrote:

Hello,

I seem to be having problems using the 389-console GUI.

I am entering the following information into each of the fields:

User ID: cn=Directory Manager
Password: password
Administration URL: http://localhost.localdomain:9830

It fails with the following error:

Cannot logon because of an incorrect User ID,
Incorrect password or Directory problem.

HttpException:
Response: HTTP/1.1 401 Authorization Required
Status: 401
URL: http://localhost.localdomain:9830/admin-serv/authenticate

Do you have a DS access log snippet showing the bind&  result?

I might not hurt to restart the admin server as well.

Thanks,
Mark


I have also tried with:
User ID: admin
Password: password
Administration URL: http://localhost.localdomain:9830

It fails with the following error:

Cannot connect to the directory server:
netscape.ldap.LDAPException: error result (32): No such object

I am able to run searches from the command line:

[root@localhost ~]# ldapsearch -x -b o=netscaperoot -D "cn=directory
manager" -w password "nsDirectoryURL=*"
# extended LDIF
#
# LDAPv3
# base  with scope subtree
# filter: nsDirectoryURL=*
# requesting: ALL
#

# UserDirectory, Global Preferences, MyDomain, NetscapeRoot
dn: cn=UserDirectory,ou=Global Preferences,ou=MyDomain,o=NetscapeRoot
objectClass: top
objectClass: nsDirectoryInfo
nsDirectoryURL: ldap://localhost.localdomain:389/dc=mpls
cn: UserDirectory

# search result
search: 2
result: 0 Success

# numResponses: 2
# numEntries: 1
[root@localhost ~]#

If I try to access http://localhost.localdomain:9830 with a web
browser, I am shown the "Services for users" page, but when I click on
"389 Administration Express" i get the following error:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, [no address given] and inform
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done
that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Apache/2.2 Server at localhost.localdomain Port 9830

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Mike

[root@localhost ~]# more /etc/redhat-release
Fedora release 16 (Verne)
[root@localhost ~]# rpm -qa|grep 389
389-console-1.1.7-1.fc16.noarch
389-ds-console-doc-1.2.6-1.fc16.noarch
389-ds-base-libs-1.2.10.2-1.fc16.x86_64
389-ds-1.2.2-1.fc15.noarch
389-ds-console-1.2.6-1.fc16.noarch
389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc16.x86_64
389-admin-console-doc-1.1.8-2.fc16.noarch
389-admin-console-1.1.8-2.fc16.noarch
389-dsgw-1.1.7-2.fc16

Re: Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
> I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
> downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
> until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.

in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
well, i guess the bvidia drivers are not ready for it

get rid of nvidia graphics

the current intel sandy brdige are working fine out
of the box with 3D effects - do not buy hardware
which depends on third-party drivers or do not use
a bleeding-edge distro if you like BLOB drivers



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Can't install nvidia drivers at runlevel3

[Lawrence Graves]

I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers 
downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem until the latest kernel was 
introduced. Please advise or help.

--
Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Compiling wine i686 on x86_64 system

[Pasha R]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Fedora User  wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:37:19 +0200
> Pasha R  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to compile latest wine rpm on my F14 64-bit system.
>
> Do you mind if I ask why? The 64-bit package works perfectly for things
> like TweetDeck and Picassa.

Latest 64-bit wine packages require their 32-bit counterparts to be
installed, too.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Compiling wine i686 on x86_64 system

[Pasha R]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Michael Cronenworth  wrote:
> Pasha R wrote:
>>
>> Are there any additional options I missed?
>
>
> You need to use mock if you want to do this.
>
> mock -r fedora-16-i386 wine.src.rpm
>
> Give it a long time. You'll eventually get your RPMs out.
>
Thanks. That worked.
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 14:49, schrieb Tim:

> But much less precise.  It's all very well to say "this," "that," and
> "the other," need to start after "this thing," is easier to set.  But if
> you definitely need "this thing," followed by, "this," followed by
> "that," followed by "the other," in that precise order.  Then the
> numbered scheme does exactly what you want.

this is not true

* you can dervice your own unit-files in /etc/systemd/system/
* you can place here as much Before/After you need for a exact order
* you define Requires= to make sure B,C, AND D does not get started if A fails

you can even define a main-service with as many
ExecStartPre/ExecStartPost/ExecStopPre/ExecStopPost
you need without touch the services itself

below my netatalk for now
if the cnid-service fails ExecStart will never be called

the only problem with systemd in Fedora is that it was not
ready for F15 - see changelist of httpd where start after
network and named was RECENTLY added while this broke
many setups where httpd is bind to specific interfaces
pr rfuses to start at all because missing name resoltuion

F15 was shipped broken at all for most servcies which
worked partly only by luck - this is not a design problem
of systemd - this is a QA problem of fedora where nonody
cares if things are done really well the last releases

[Unit]
Description=Apple-Fileserver
After=avahi-daemon.service
[Service]
Type=forking
GuessMainPID=no
ExecStartPre=/bin/systemctl start netatalk-cnid.service
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/afpd -P /var/run/netatalk.pid -F /etc/netatalk/afpd.conf -U 
uams_dhx.so,uams_dhx2.so -g nobody
-c 100
ExecStopPost=/bin/systemctl stop netatalk-cnid.service
Restart=always
RestartSec=1
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Tim]

On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:25 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> The init system used a series of hard-coded numbers in the init
> scripts to judge which services were to be started in which sequence,
> which was a horrible mess.

Yet, worked well.

> You had to make sure the service X's priority of 37 was in between 
> service Y'x priority of 18 and service Z's priority of 56.

Often, I'd configured systems where I had to specifically arrange the
order of a series of services so that one started after another, in a
precise manner.  Else, all but the first one would fail to start, and
never recover.

> With systemd, you just say things like:
>  
> After=syslog.target network.target auditd.service
> and/or
> Before=poweroff.service reboot.service halt.service
>  
> Which is MUCH more concise and easy to understand.

But much less precise.  It's all very well to say "this," "that," and
"the other," need to start after "this thing," is easier to set.  But if
you definitely need "this thing," followed by, "this," followed by
"that," followed by "the other," in that precise order.  Then the
numbered scheme does exactly what you want.

For a more specific example some users may require services to start up
in the following order, exactly:

  network (because just about everything else requires it)
  ntp (because you need precise logging of everything that starts)
  samba (because it doesn't work if the network starts after it)
  apache (because it doesn't work if started before the network, and you
need samba running before it for some of the files)

And the list could go on.  As one thing depends on the prior thing, in a
a dependent chain.  Trying to get half a dozen things to fire up at once
doesn't really work, as some things can't start without a previous
thing.  They don't begin starting up and keep on trying to start while
waiting for what they depend on.  They start up, once, and succeed or
fail.

Sure, having to rename files by hand, to change numbers, can be a pain.
But it's not beyond the potential of having a drag-and-drop interface to
sort services into the required start up order.


> The computer figures it all out, instead of the user having to juggle
> priority levels.

Evidence seems to suggest (with some prior emails about some services
starting too soon) that the computer doesn't "figure it out."

It's, also, a bit of a fallacy that sequentially reading files from the
hard drive to start up in the sequence that they're needed will be
slower than trying to access many different files at the same time.
It's like trying to read fragmented files, with more seeking than
reading.  And seeking is slower than reading consecutive blocks.

Trying to read the log is a major pain, too, with multiple concurrent
services all splattered in together.


-- 
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686

Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.  I
read messages from the public lists.



-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 13:58, schrieb Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak:
> On 03/23/2012 08:32 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> As TM has been told elsewhere in this thread, this doesn't work for
>>> openvpn, because of its need for a pointer to a specific configuration
>>> file - you have to make a manual link, or use some other odd syntax.
>>> This is definitely a weird quirk that is not handled elegantly by
>>> systemd at the current time.
>>>
>> sounds like something that should be handled in /etc/sysconfig rather
>> than within the systemd files themselves.
> 
> Yes, or provide separate openvpn-server.service and openvpn-client.service 
> files, which read
> /etc/openvpn/server.conf and /etc/openvpn/client.conf respectively.
> 
> I imagine it will get sorted out one way or another... at the moment, it is a 
> bleeding-edge corner-case oddity

i really really do not understand the problem creating
a service file unter /etc/systemd/ - openvpn is a
special case at all and the systemd-unit dervied
from the @service si written in two minutes

[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cp /etc/systemd/system/openvpn.service 
/etc/systemd/system/openvpn2.service


[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ nano /etc/systemd/system/openvpn2.service


[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ systemctl enable openvpn2.service
ln -s '/etc/systemd/system/openvpn2.service' 
'/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/openvpn2.service'


[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ systemctl status openvpn2.service
openvpn2.service - OpenVPN
  Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/openvpn2.service; enabled)
  Active: inactive (dead)
  CGroup: name=systemd:/system/openvpn2.service


[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/openvpn2.service
[Unit]
Description=OpenVPN
After=syslog.target network.target
[Service]
Type=forking
PIDFile=/var/run/openvpn/openvpn2.pid
ExecStartPre=
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/openvpn --daemon --writepid /var/run/openvpn/openvpn2.pid 
--cd /etc/openvpn/ --config openvpn2.conf
ExecStopPost=
Restart=always
RestartSec=1
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target


[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/openvpn.service
[Unit]
Description=OpenVPN
After=syslog.target network.target
[Service]
Type=forking
PIDFile=/var/run/openvpn/openvpn.pid
ExecStartPre=
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/openvpn --daemon --writepid /var/run/openvpn/openvpn.pid 
--cd /etc/openvpn/ --config openvpn.conf
ExecStopPost=
Restart=always
RestartSec=1
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target


[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ systemctl disable openvpn2.service
rm '/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/openvpn2.service'


[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rm -f /etc/systemd/system/openvpn2.service



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak]

On 03/23/2012 08:32 AM, Craig White wrote:

As TM has been told elsewhere in this thread, this doesn't work for
openvpn, because of its need for a pointer to a specific configuration
file - you have to make a manual link, or use some other odd syntax.
This is definitely a weird quirk that is not handled elegantly by
systemd at the current time.


sounds like something that should be handled in /etc/sysconfig rather
than within the systemd files themselves.


Yes, or provide separate openvpn-server.service and 
openvpn-client.service files, which read /etc/openvpn/server.conf and 
/etc/openvpn/client.conf respectively.


I imagine it will get sorted out one way or another... at the moment, it 
is a bleeding-edge corner-case oddity.


- Mike
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:17 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> On 03/22/2012 04:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > On 03/22/2012 01:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
> >> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?
> >
> > I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this:
> >
> > systemctl enable openvpn.service
> 
> As TM has been told elsewhere in this thread, this doesn't work for 
> openvpn, because of its need for a pointer to a specific configuration 
> file - you have to make a manual link, or use some other odd syntax. 
> This is definitely a weird quirk that is not handled elegantly by 
> systemd at the current time.
> 
> For some people, that's proof (PROOF I tell you!) that systemd is 
> horrible and the developers are evil...

sounds like something that should be handled in /etc/sysconfig rather
than within the systemd files themselves.

Craig


-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.

-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 10:39 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> 
> > The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with
> > grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub
> > manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl
> > commands can be handled via 'system-config'services'
> 
> That sounds absurd to me.
> Maybe I'm not a "typical user" (who is?)
> but I often need to start or restart services,
> eg yesterday I had to restart sendmail after changing my SMARTHOST.
> I also restarted dhcpd after adding another device to dhcpd.conf .
> Are you suggesting I should re-boot after each of these?

no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this
rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui.

> 
> I remember that NetworkManager used to have the mantra "It just works".
> They seem to have dropped it now NM actually does work most of the time.

and I think you have nailed one of the primary purposes of Fedora...
that to offer the leading edge of software releases puts the developed
code in front of significant numbers of users for wider testing, bug
reports, patches. The concept of release early and often at work.
Releasing early means that not everything initially works as intended. 

Craig


-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.

-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak]

How they were started does not seem to have much to do with chkconfig.


The init system used a series of hard-coded numbers in the init scripts 
to judge which services were to be started in which sequence, which was 
a horrible mess.


You had to make sure the service X's priority of 37 was in between 
service Y'x priority of 18 and service Z's priority of 56.


With systemd, you just say things like:

After=syslog.target network.target auditd.service
and/or
Before=poweroff.service reboot.service halt.service

Which is MUCH more concise and easy to understand. The computer figures 
it all out, instead of the user having to juggle priority levels.


Also, all init scripts with priorities > 37 would all have to wait for 
the "service X" to finish. This is not so with systemd. The service 
files specify the minimum dependencies. If service Z does not require 
service X, it can go ahead, even if service X gets delayed.


See?

- Mike
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak]

On 03/22/2012 04:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 03/22/2012 01:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?


I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this:

systemctl enable openvpn.service


As TM has been told elsewhere in this thread, this doesn't work for 
openvpn, because of its need for a pointer to a specific configuration 
file - you have to make a manual link, or use some other odd syntax. 
This is definitely a weird quirk that is not handled elegantly by 
systemd at the current time.


For some people, that's proof (PROOF I tell you!) that systemd is 
horrible and the developers are evil...


- Mike
--
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 11:52, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
> On 03/23/2012 07:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> "systemctl restart httpd.service" is a joke compared with "service
>> httpd restart" - a msart developer would have made .service as
>> default-fallback and only "httpd.socket" as example would need full
>> qualified input
> 
> That would be optimisation

and as i do this before i tell other people software
i developed is ready i demand this sort of optimiziation

especially as i do not enforce people to use my software
systemd-developers did with F15 and no, please do
not come with "use another distribution" or any such
laughable phrase

> A very smart programmer once taught us
> that "premature optimisation is the root of all evil".

that may be correct in many cases

in the case "systemctl restart/stop/start is mostly used for
services" it is a silly argument for ".service has to be
typed all the time"

> Perhaps the author felt that other work was of higher priority at the time?

perhaps the author sould have finished his software
before F15 or deleayed it for F16 at all

with F16 systemd feels usebale
the version in F15 was poor crap from the user point of view

> Besides, I would expect any Linux admin worth paying who found this
> syntax so troublesome to be able to create a wrapper to suit their
> preferred invocation style with minimal effort.
> 
> alias oldservice () { systemctl $2 $1.service; }

i guess few people are using more aliases and scripts as
i do for years now - but it is poor software-design need to do
this every where because banana-software is called "release"



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Bryn M. Reeves]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 03/23/2012 07:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> "systemctl restart httpd.service" is a joke compared with "service
> httpd restart" - a msart developer would have made .service as
> default-fallback and only "httpd.socket" as example would need full
> qualified input

That would be optimisation. A very smart programmer once taught us
that "premature optimisation is the root of all evil". Perhaps the
author felt that other work was of higher priority at the time?

Besides, I would expect any Linux admin worth paying who found this
syntax so troublesome to be able to create a wrapper to suit their
preferred invocation style with minimal effort.

alias oldservice () { systemctl $2 $1.service; }

That took about as long to think up as it did to type. I am sure you
could improve upon it with little work.

# oldservice httpd status
httpd.service - LSB: start and stop Apache HTTP Server
  Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd)
  Active: inactive (dead)
  CGroup: name=systemd:/system/httpd.service

# oldservice httpd start
#

I'm also sure that upstream would be happy to review patches to
improve usability and merge them if appropriate.

Regards,
Bryn.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iEYEARECAAYFAk9sVggACgkQ6YSQoMYUY95x9wCgqEGFKjhE2dYeYU+hhPcJj1ea
jvUAn24OatuACwSoiiXr6upzi4781hXj
=PN3o
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: is freedesktop.org dead? Any official desktop standard?

[Bryn M. Reeves]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 03/22/2012 10:30 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> Bryn, thanks for info. http://www.freedesktop.org/ seems totally 
> inaccessible yet, what is suspicious too. I will waiting when this 
> site will be up.

It's working fine here (I get the redirect to the wiki home page which
has been the front page for as long as I remember).

You might want to check your network connectivity for other sites.
Sites like http://www.isup.me/ can be useful for testing connectivity
from a different network perspective.

Regards,
Bryn.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iEUEARECAAYFAk9sUnAACgkQ6YSQoMYUY97fsACWMJbk+teW8uy3ZdLgYLy9c+1S
EwCfbSsavLNP+cmehPXmehO0RXk3xDY=
=Hi9R
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Alan Cox]

> The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with
> grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub
> manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl
> commands can be handled via 'system-config'services'

Thats one of the diseases Fedora seems to be suffering from. The
'Oh but it doesn't matter about the lower levels' problem. F15 and F16
screw up upgrades horribly and leave services disabled they shouldn't.
Thats a fail. It also totally contradicts the defence of "oh but you
never have to deal with it"

Similarly with grub2. The complete failure of the upgrade tools and
installer to get the job done right combined with the half baked and
over convoluted script mess makes it a nightmare for users to fix.

Low levels do matter. Being able to fix stuff does matter. Things *do* go
wrong.

Alan
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/23/2012 05:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>
>>> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
>>> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?
>> I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this:
>>
>> systemctl start openvpn.service
>>
>> will start it running and
>>
>> systemctl enable openvpn.service
>>
>> will make it start @boot.  HTH, HAND.
> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service
> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such 
> file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service' 
> for details.
> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl enable openvpn.service
> Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory
>
> Nb I know how to start the service,
> but I don't know any simple way to enable it.
>

Alsoanother weird/silly thing?  Seems you need to do...

systemctl enable openvpn@.service

But, then the actual service to start is...

systemctl start openvpn@multi-user.service

But, of course, having not configured it one would get

[root@f16-1 ~]# systemctl start openvpn@multi-user.service
Job failed. See system logs and 'systemctl status' for details.
[root@f16-1 ~]# systemctl status openvpn@multi-user.service
openvpn@multi-user.service - OpenVPN Robust And Highly Flexible Tunneling 
Application
On multi/user
  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service; enabled)
  Active: failed since Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:51:33 +0800; 35s ago
 Process: 2509 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/openvpn --daemon --writepid
/var/run/openvpn/%i.pid --cd /etc/openvpn/ --config %i.conf (code=exited,
status=1/FAILURE)
  CGroup: name=systemd:/system/openvpn@.service/multi-user


-- 
Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You 
may both
be wrong. -- Dandemis
-- 
Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You 
may both
be wrong. -- Dandemis
-- 
Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You 
may both
be wrong. -- Dandemis
-- 
Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You 
may both
be wrong. -- Dandemis
-- 
Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You 
may both
be wrong. -- Dandemis
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Timothy Murphy]

Craig White wrote:

> The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with
> grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub
> manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl
> commands can be handled via 'system-config'services'

That sounds absurd to me.
Maybe I'm not a "typical user" (who is?)
but I often need to start or restart services,
eg yesterday I had to restart sendmail after changing my SMARTHOST.
I also restarted dhcpd after adding another device to dhcpd.conf .
Are you suggesting I should re-boot after each of these?

I remember that NetworkManager used to have the mantra "It just works".
They seem to have dropped it now NM actually does work most of the time.



-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin


-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 10:26, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service
> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such 
> file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service' 
> for details.
> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl enable openvpn.service
> Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory
> 
> Nb I know how to start the service,
> but I don't know any simple way to enable it.

why the hell do you not read answers?

>> If your openvpn config file is /etc/openvpn/client.conf, do:
>>
>>
>> ln -s /lib/systemd/system/openvpn\@.service 
>> /etc/systemd/system/openvpn\@client.service
>>
>> systemctl daemon-reload
>>
>> systemctl start openvpn@client.service
>>
>> systemctl status openvpn@client.service

yes, the new openvpn service is not as  simple as other ones
but how did you start openvpn as client AND server on the
same machine before systemd

if you do not like this syntax take 15 seconds and
write your own servcie file as i did long ago

how would you have done THAt with the sysvinit?
__

[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/systemd/system/openvpn.service
[Unit]
Description=OpenVPN
After=syslog.target network.target

[Service]
Type=forking
PIDFile=/var/run/openvpn/openvpn.pid
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/openvpn --daemon --writepid /var/run/openvpn/openvpn.pid 
--cd /etc/openvpn/ --config openvpn.conf
Restart=always
RestartSec=1

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/23/2012 05:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>
>>> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
>>> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?
>> I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this:
>>
>> systemctl start openvpn.service
>>
>> will start it running and
>>
>> systemctl enable openvpn.service
>>
>> will make it start @boot.  HTH, HAND.
> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service
> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such 
> file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service' 
> for details.
> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl enable openvpn.service
> Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory
>
> Nb I know how to start the service,
> but I don't know any simple way to enable it.
>

Kind of silly  But I always check /lib/systemd/system to make sure the name 
of
the service is what I think it is

[root@meimei system]# systemctl is-enabled openvpn@.service
disabled

So, it seems it is named "close" to what one would expect.  :-)

-- 
Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You 
may both
be wrong. -- Dandemis
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Timothy Murphy]

Joe Zeff wrote:

>> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
>> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?
> 
> I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this:
> 
> systemctl start openvpn.service
> 
> will start it running and
> 
> systemctl enable openvpn.service
> 
> will make it start @boot.  HTH, HAND.

[tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service
Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such 
file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service' 
for details.
[tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl enable openvpn.service
Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory

Nb I know how to start the service,
but I don't know any simple way to enable it.

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin


-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora disimprovements: am I alone?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.03.2012 03:36, schrieb Craig White:

> The move to grub2 & systemd/systemctl really has nothing to do with the
> user command line interface which you should already understand since
> you said you understand the motivations.

right - and that is why hey need not to be hanged in the
first front or should as much compatible as possible
if someone does a drop-in-replacement

> The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with
> grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub
> manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl
> commands can be handled via 'system-config'services'

and that is why "we" spit advanced users in the face?

"systemctl restart httpd.service" is a joke compared
with "service httpd restart" - a msart developer would
have made .service as default-fallback and only
"httpd.socket" as example would need full qualified input



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
-- 
users mailing list
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org