Re: [389-users] Swap Master Hardware.
You do not have to init the database as long as they are in sync, you can just 'send updates'. If all the slaves are 1.1.2, you'd want to eventually upgrade those machines too, have you considered just adding another master (master/master) then sliding the original master out? Should equate to zero downtime. On Dec 14, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Shardul Kerkar sker...@accessline.com wrote: Hi Folks, I have recently been tasked with moving a Single Ldap Master from a dying machine to a spanking new blade. After doing some research it appears to me that the optimum way to do this will be installing a fresh instance of the application on the new server, import the database and then recreate and reinitialize all the hubs and replicas. The problem I face is that this work place has a humongous LDAP database will 3 mil+ entries. Re-initialization is taking upto 3 hours in some cases. With 5 hubs and 20 replicas to reinitialize, the downtime is unacceptable to the client. If I stop writes to the Master, then export the database to the new box and recreate the New-Master-Hub replication after removing the old Master , will I still need to re-initialize the hubs? Is there any way to do this swap without reinitializing or fooling the hubs and reps into thinking that they are still talking to the same Master albeit on a new machine (same ip address/dns). The client is still using ver. 1.1.2 on Centos 5.4 Thanks, Shar Ker -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
[389-users] multi-master replication limits
Hi all - thanks for reading! We're planning a deployment of RHDS in our environment right now. We want to setup multi-mastering, however I'm confused by the 20 masters per replication scenario limit that's in the Redhat documentation. There doesn't seem to be any explanation around this limit that I can find. - Each database (with one or more suffix assigned to it) seems to be what is considered as a server when it comes to replication scenarios - is that the case? - Does this mean you are limited to 20 databases marked as Masters, in an instance of directory server? - Or is it the limit 20 masters of a single database, spread across different instances of DS/machines? - How is this limit enforced, if it is? This part confuses me, the limit seems thrown into the documentation with no context. We can design the architecture to avoid ever worrying about the 20 database limit, but we're concerned about storing a ton of directory information that is currently located in separate (different vendor) directory servers, all in a single RH/389 DS database. We might have some naming conflicts as well as policy constraints there as well - so we're just trying to get a handle on the implications of scaling the architecture up. And how might all this apply different to 389, if at all ? Colin Tulloch colin.tull...@entrust.commailto:colin.tull...@entrust.com -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] Swap Master Hardware.
Adding another Master is not an option because for the end result the IP address and dns record of the master should be same. I did try to swap the hardware on the existing Master after stopping writes and making sure that the db was in sync. After recreating replication agreements with the hubs, it is now complaining that the hubs have a different generation id, hence won't replicate. On Dec 16, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Dan Lavu d...@lavu.netmailto:d...@lavu.net wrote: You do not have to init the database as long as they are in sync, you can just 'send updates'. If all the slaves are 1.1.2, you'd want to eventually upgrade those machines too, have you considered just adding another master (master/master) then sliding the original master out? Should equate to zero downtime. On Dec 14, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Shardul Kerkar sker...@accessline.commailto:sker...@accessline.com wrote: Hi Folks, I have recently been tasked with moving a Single Ldap Master from a dying machine to a spanking new blade. After doing some research it appears to me that the optimum way to do this will be installing a fresh instance of the application on the new server, import the database and then recreate and reinitialize all the hubs and replicas. The problem I face is that this work place has a humongous LDAP database will 3 mil+ entries. Re-initialization is taking upto 3 hours in some cases. With 5 hubs and 20 replicas to reinitialize, the downtime is unacceptable to the client. If I stop writes to the Master, then export the database to the new box and recreate the New-Master-Hub replication after removing the old Master , will I still need to re-initialize the hubs? Is there any way to do this swap without reinitializing or fooling the hubs and reps into thinking that they are still talking to the same Master albeit on a new machine (same ip address/dns). The client is still using ver. 1.1.2 on Centos 5.4 Thanks, Shar Ker -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.orgmailto:us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users ATT1..c -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: X-server crash?
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:37:57 -0500 yotestalker linuxnuts...@videotron.ca wrote: Recently, whenever I launched a video with totem, my screen would go black and I'd end up back at the FC17 login screen. I was using the akmod-nvidia and kmod-nvidia drivers. I switched over to VLC as my default video player and the problem seemed to be solved; however, It's now doing the same thing whenever I try to launch google chrome. The screen goes black and I end up back at the login screen. It does it in both KDE and XFCE. Has anybody else seen this? All troubleshooting related to X crashes starts with reading the relevant logs, in order to see what happened. In the /var/log directory there should be two log files, Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old --- one of these files (probably the .old) contains the logs of the crashed X session. My suggestion is that you recreate the crash, and then post both files so that we can compare and see what went wrong. Even better (given that those files are somewhat large), put them on pastebin or similar, and send us a link. HTH, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local network, this isn't a significant risk. You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or damage another one, just because they're an ass? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Hello, I did the following on x86_64 fedora machine: - downloaded ppp-2.4.5-22.fc17.src.rpm ran: rpm -ivh ppp-2.4.5-22.fc17.src.rpm then rpmbuild -bp --target=x86_64 /root/rpmbuild/SPECS/ppp.spec then cd /root/rpmbuild/BUILD/ppp-2.4.5 ./configure make got this error: d chat; make all make[1]: Entering directory `/root/rpmbuild/BUILD/ppp-2.4.5/chat' cc -c -DTERMIOS -DSIGTYPE=void -UNO_SLEEP -DFNDELAY=O_NDELAY -o chat.o chat.c cc -pie -o chat chat.o /bin/ld: chat.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC chat.o: could not read symbols: Bad value collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [chat] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/rpmbuild/BUILD/ppp-2.4.5/chat' make: *** [all] Error 2 why is this error ? I tried, just out of interest, also rpmbuild -bp --target=i686 /root/rpmbuild/SPECS/ppp.spec and got: cc -pie -o chat chat.o /bin/ld: chat.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC chat.o: could not read symbols: Bad value Any ideas? this things should have work, or am I doing something wrong? rgs, Kevin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: automatic helpers which really suck!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 14/12/2012 08:57, Ed Greshko a écrit : On 12/14/2012 03:35 PM, François Patte wrote: Le 14/12/2012 01:39, Steven Stern a écrit : On 12/13/2012 01:37 AM, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderbird helper goes on the web to check my email server and don't find it! Why? I really don't know: this mail address and server has been in service for years now (and I'm using it to send this mail) I can ping it, I can dig it... And now, I am stuck: I cannot have my mail because thunderbird try to help me, as if I was so stupid that I cannot know my own email address! I really don't understand what is the goal of this kind of help, even if I make a mistake while I give my emeil server address, doomsday won't come! The result is: I cannot configure my mail because someone has thought that this automatic check will help people. Stupid! Regards As soon as it starts grinding looking for the automated setup, click Manual Config. it will give up on looking for an autodiscover record and let you enter the servers, etc. manually. No big deal. Very difficult! I could see once something like this: phenomenon lasted for 1/10 of second and disappeared Most of the time, I cannot even see the button you're talking about! As for any menu to click (suggested by other mails) it does not exist! The only thing I can do is to ask for a new email address from gandi.net or Hover.com Which I don't want! This happens on fedora 17 xfce I have tested on a F17 VM running xfce and a fresh install of TBird No problem to add an existing email Have a look at these http://tinyurl.com/d3ej8x4 I read some explanations on mozilla web page: if I want to be able to use TB, I have to ask my university to install something on the servers... This seems to be an attempt to freedom: you can only have an email address on well known servers, others are kicked out. Completely stupid! - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire MAP5 --- UMR CNRS 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDNn5UACgkQdE6C2dhV2JXPGQCfZmJNhb3JnWrZxVZqDsodPpyQ 8KwAoLGC0E4pk1a/F7t9LPER+X+EM0v5 =M9qC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: automatic helpers which really suck!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 14/12/2012 10:40, Maurizio Marini a écrit : I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. if u don't need extra search, i suggest u claws After evolution and kmail for years, i have solved all my trouble, at last, with it, And, because there exist dumb programmers, everybody must change his mail reader, until a new stupidity comes in mind of the developpers of the new mail reader you have chosen... I moved from gnome to xfce because of gnome3, I'll move from TB to claws..., I'll move from fedora to debian... until... Death developpers think that people are just playing with computers, they don't work at all, and they have a lot of time to configure their new stupid fantasies. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire MAP5 --- UMR CNRS 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDNou4ACgkQdE6C2dhV2JVbGwCfekFA/1duPgffMVv9kSukewVH e9gAn3+N+Mv30K8OBEIbVO4VJrjMx5VL =Iu7I -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
On 16.12.2012, Kevin Wilson wrote: make[1]: Entering directory `/root/rpmbuild/BUILD/ppp-2.4.5/chat' cc -c -DTERMIOS -DSIGTYPE=void -UNO_SLEEP -DFNDELAY=O_NDELAY -o chat.o chat.c cc -pie -o chat chat.o /bin/ld: chat.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC You're trying to build a shared library and the build fails in creating shared objects. The solution is in the text above: recompile with -fPic. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: X-server crash?
On Saturday 15 Dec 2012 23:37:57 yotestalker wrote: Hi, Recently, whenever I launched a video with totem, my screen would go black and I'd end up back at the FC17 login screen. I was using the akmod-nvidia and kmod-nvidia drivers. I switched over to VLC as my default video player and the problem seemed to be solved; however, It's now doing the same thing whenever I try to launch google chrome. The screen goes black and I end up back at the login screen. It does it in both KDE and XFCE. Has anybody else seen this? You might find in your Xorg.0.log that it complains it couldn't load GLX I had this too, I just had to make sure these lines were in my xorg.conf Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1 ModulePath /usr/lib64/nvidia/xorg ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules EndSection you might find these lines in it, and for some reason it loads the GLX driver ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: automatic helpers which really suck!
Am 16.12.2012 11:31, schrieb François Patte: And, because there exist dumb programmers, everybody must change his mail reader, until a new stupidity comes in mind of the developpers of the new mail reader you have chosen... +1 I moved from gnome to xfce because of gnome3, I'll move from TB to claws..., I'll move from fedora to debian... until... +1 Death developpers think that people are just playing with computers, they don't work at all, and they have a lot of time to configure their new stupid fantasies +1 developers need to realize that their work is crap if they actively force users to change their way doing things - improvements if they are well designed and implemented are not invasive for the enduser and yes, i know about what i am speaking because i am doing this since many years and yes i know it takes more time to implement things and migration paths to avoid impact on teh users side but if you are not willing or able to work this way you are doing the wrong job and should not be called a developer at all signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: X-server crash?
On Sunday 16 Dec 2012 13:24:49 Martin Airs wrote: On Saturday 15 Dec 2012 23:37:57 yotestalker wrote: Hi, Recently, whenever I launched a video with totem, my screen would go black and I'd end up back at the FC17 login screen. I was using the akmod-nvidia and kmod-nvidia drivers. I switched over to VLC as my default video player and the problem seemed to be solved; however, It's now doing the same thing whenever I try to launch google chrome. The screen goes black and I end up back at the login screen. It does it in both KDE and XFCE. Has anybody else seen this? You might find in your Xorg.0.log that it complains it couldn't load GLX I had this too, I just had to make sure these lines were in my xorg.conf Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1 ModulePath /usr/lib64/nvidia/xorg ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules EndSection you might find these lines in it, and for some reason it loads the GLX driver ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules Martin sorry just to add, I found if glxinfo or glxgears didn't work, then chrome would indeed bomb X out to the login screen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Hi, Thanks, I thought so. But wasn't the process of installing the src rpm as I did was supposed to look for it? isn't the src.rpm is the origin when preparing rpm in the Fedora project release process ? Let met rephrase my question: When I take any src.rpm, can't I rely on preparing an rpm out of it (in the standard way, as I described above). Why can't I rely on that there will be know errors and no manual intervention as needed in the ppp case ? rgs Kevin On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote: On 16.12.2012, Kevin Wilson wrote: make[1]: Entering directory `/root/rpmbuild/BUILD/ppp-2.4.5/chat' cc -c -DTERMIOS -DSIGTYPE=void -UNO_SLEEP -DFNDELAY=O_NDELAY -o chat.o chat.c cc -pie -o chat chat.o /bin/ld: chat.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC You're trying to build a shared library and the build fails in creating shared objects. The solution is in the text above: recompile with -fPic. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: X-server crash?
On 12/16/2012 08:24 AM, Martin Airs wrote: On Saturday 15 Dec 2012 23:37:57 yotestalker wrote: Hi, Recently, whenever I launched a video with totem, my screen would go black and I'd end up back at the FC17 login screen. I was using the akmod-nvidia and kmod-nvidia drivers. I switched over to VLC as my default video player and the problem seemed to be solved; however, It's now doing the same thing whenever I try to launch google chrome. The screen goes black and I end up back at the login screen. It does it in both KDE and XFCE. Has anybody else seen this? You might find in your Xorg.0.log that it complains it couldn't load GLX I had this too, I just had to make sure these lines were in my xorg.conf Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1 ModulePath /usr/lib64/nvidia/xorg ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules EndSection you might find these lines in it, and for some reason it loads the GLX driver ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers ModulePath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules Martin Hi, Would that be 00-nvidia.conf by any chance? It contained the correct lines minus the font line, which I added to no avail. xorg.conf itself only contains these lines: # RPM Fusion - nvidia-xorg.conf # Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver nvidia EndSection Here's a pastebin link to my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/s59p3fYY Thanks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: X-server crash?
On 12/16/2012 03:14 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:37:57 -0500 yotestalker linuxnuts...@videotron.ca wrote: Recently, whenever I launched a video with totem, my screen would go black and I'd end up back at the FC17 login screen. I was using the akmod-nvidia and kmod-nvidia drivers. I switched over to VLC as my default video player and the problem seemed to be solved; however, It's now doing the same thing whenever I try to launch google chrome. The screen goes black and I end up back at the login screen. It does it in both KDE and XFCE. Has anybody else seen this? All troubleshooting related to X crashes starts with reading the relevant logs, in order to see what happened. In the /var/log directory there should be two log files, Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old --- one of these files (probably the .old) contains the logs of the crashed X session. My suggestion is that you recreate the crash, and then post both files so that we can compare and see what went wrong. Even better (given that those files are somewhat large), put them on pastebin or similar, and send us a link. HTH, :-) Marko Thanks Marko, Here's the link to Xorg.0.log.old: http://pastebin.com/CyNaDrNX and the link to Xorg.0: http://pastebin.com/s59p3fYY I forgot all about pastebin. :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
On 16.12.2012, Kevin Wilson wrote: But wasn't the process of installing the src rpm as I did was supposed to look for it? isn't the src.rpm is the origin when preparing rpm in the Fedora project release process ? Yes, I see your point, and I'm thinking the same. This raises the question how the .rpm for F17 acutally was compiled.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:13:35AM +0200, Kevin Wilson wrote: Hello, I did the following on x86_64 fedora machine: - downloaded ppp-2.4.5-22.fc17.src.rpm ran: rpm -ivh ppp-2.4.5-22.fc17.src.rpm then rpmbuild -bp --target=x86_64 /root/rpmbuild/SPECS/ppp.spec It's possible there's something odd (extra or missing) on your system. Have you tried using mock? (It's a tool which does the build in a chroot.) -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: need ATI driver
On 12/15/2012 10:17 PM, Gary Kline wrote: I d/loaded a 12.10 ubuntu CD and it installed with the full 19:6 resolution on my dell 3010. so =somebody has hacked the driver code for my graphics card. ubuntu is causing me some grief--things I had forgotten since I ran 12.04 on a bare-bones AMD quad a year ago. --one fault is that here on fedora-17 I have mutt and .muttrc configured to get mail from my registrar, godaddy. f-17 uses sendmail. ubuntu uses postfix. and the files I have here do not work on tao here [ethos] mail is queued in /var/spool/mail/kline. over on my new dell, I dont see how to configure mutt to look in the directory where mutt thinks it should find mail. so I think the Easiest thing would be to buy an nvidia graphics card and drop it into my new dell. then fedora-17 or -18 would give me 1920x1980 and I would be clapping (with one hand:) otherwise, try and see if I can apt-get install sendmail on tao. maybe that will work. gary ps: my KVM switch was not the problem. http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registerd Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: X-server crash?
On Sunday 16 Dec 2012 09:17:55 yotestalker wrote: Hi, Would that be 00-nvidia.conf by any chance? It contained the correct lines minus the font line, which I added to no avail. xorg.conf itself only contains these lines: # RPM Fusion - nvidia-xorg.conf # Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver nvidia EndSection Here's a pastebin link to my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/s59p3fYY Thanks! its as i suspected, this is in your log. Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. If you continue to encounter problems, Please try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. i too have the 00-nvidia.conf but for some reason i still needed to put those in my xorg.conf otherwise maybe you could do as suggested and reinstall the nvidia drivers at the moment it seems to be loading the wrong GLX module odd i know Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: X-server crash?
On Sunday 16 Dec 2012 14:53:15 Martin Airs wrote: On Sunday 16 Dec 2012 09:17:55 yotestalker wrote: Hi, Would that be 00-nvidia.conf by any chance? It contained the correct lines minus the font line, which I added to no avail. xorg.conf itself only contains these lines: # RPM Fusion - nvidia-xorg.conf # Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver nvidia EndSection Here's a pastebin link to my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/s59p3fYY Thanks! its as i suspected, this is in your log. Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. If you continue to encounter problems, Please try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. i too have the 00-nvidia.conf but for some reason i still needed to put those in my xorg.conf otherwise maybe you could do as suggested and reinstall the nvidia drivers at the moment it seems to be loading the wrong GLX module odd i know Martin also you can see in your log that [ 434.009] (==) ModulePath set to /usr/lib64/xorg/modules which is not what is in the 00-nvidia.conf Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: X-server crash?
On Sunday 16 Dec 2012 14:55:15 Martin Airs wrote: also you can see in your log that [ 434.009] (==) ModulePath set to /usr/lib64/xorg/modules which is not what is in the 00-nvidia.conf Martin my xorg log says. ModulePath set to /usr/lib64/nvidia/xorg,/usr/lib64/xorg/modules Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:27:15 +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 16.12.2012, Kevin Wilson wrote: But wasn't the process of installing the src rpm as I did was supposed to look for it? isn't the src.rpm is the origin when preparing rpm in the Fedora project release process ? Yes, I see your point, and I'm thinking the same. This raises the question how the .rpm for F17 acutally was compiled.. You can always examine the spec file inside the src.rpm *and* also visit the Fedora Build System logs: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=320895 - http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/ppp/2.4.5/22.fc17/data/logs/x86_64/build.log I'd rather raise the question why Kevin did not simply rebuild the src.rpm? Instead, he extracted the source and tried to set it up manually instead of using the spec file's %build section. Try to rebuild it after installing the redhat-rpm-config package. Run: rpmbuild --rebuild ppp-2.4.5-22.fc17.src.rpm If that doesn't change a thing, consider publishing the _full_ output from rpmbuild. For example, from rpmbuild -bb ppp.spec or at least from rpmbuild -bc ppp.spec. -- Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow) - Linux 3.6.10-5.fc18.x86_64 loadavg: 0.11 0.07 0.05 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local network, this isn't a significant risk. You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or damage another one, just because they're an ass? On the face of it, I'm pretty certain an outfit such as Red Hat won't allow such a thing to happen (it may be a possibility in testing i.e. Fedora for a short while but I doubt even that will happen). In fact, after another quick look at the link I see that a bug has now been filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877623 about this. It's probably best to wait see what happens when 18 ships if this is still the case, it's up to individuals to approach the upgrade as they see fit. Cheers, Phil... -- currently (ab)using CentOS 5.8 6.3, Debian Squeeze Wheezy, Fedora Beefy Spherical, Lubuntu 12.10, OS X Snow Leopard Ubuntu Precise Quantal -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: X-server crash?
On 12/16/2012 09:53 AM, Martin Airs wrote: On Sunday 16 Dec 2012 09:17:55 yotestalker wrote: Hi, Would that be 00-nvidia.conf by any chance? It contained the correct lines minus the font line, which I added to no avail. xorg.conf itself only contains these lines: # RPM Fusion - nvidia-xorg.conf # Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver nvidia EndSection Here's a pastebin link to my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/s59p3fYY Thanks! its as i suspected, this is in your log. Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. If you continue to encounter problems, Please try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. i too have the 00-nvidia.conf but for some reason i still needed to put those in my xorg.conf otherwise maybe you could do as suggested and reinstall the nvidia drivers at the moment it seems to be loading the wrong GLX module odd i know Martin I reinstalled the nvidia drivers umpteen times. I suspected you were going to say to add them directly to xorg.conf, but preferred to err on the side of caution and wait for further instructions. Trying it now. Thanks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: X-server crash?
On 12/16/2012 10:08 AM, yotestalker wrote: On 12/16/2012 09:53 AM, Martin Airs wrote: On Sunday 16 Dec 2012 09:17:55 yotestalker wrote: Hi, Would that be 00-nvidia.conf by any chance? It contained the correct lines minus the font line, which I added to no avail. xorg.conf itself only contains these lines: # RPM Fusion - nvidia-xorg.conf # Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver nvidia EndSection Here's a pastebin link to my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/s59p3fYY Thanks! its as i suspected, this is in your log. Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. If you continue to encounter problems, Please try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. i too have the 00-nvidia.conf but for some reason i still needed to put those in my xorg.conf otherwise maybe you could do as suggested and reinstall the nvidia drivers at the moment it seems to be loading the wrong GLX module odd i know Martin I reinstalled the nvidia drivers umpteen times. I suspected you were going to say to add them directly to xorg.conf, but preferred to err on the side of caution and wait for further instructions. Trying it now. Thanks! Well, that failed miserably. X wouldn't start at all. I had to edit grub to get to a command line, yum remove kmod-nvidia*, reinstall kmod-nvidia, and then rebooted. The lines in xorg.conf are now back to: Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver nvidia EndSection Any other ideas...without you guys I'm way out of my element... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fixing soft disk I/O error tool?
Just did a disk image using dd and compression, and noted that it popped up with a few soft i/o errors. Later ran fsck on the partitions, and got no errors. What would be the best tool to repair these soft errors, or does this mean to replace the disk. I've seen no other issues with the disk, and its a little more than 1 year old, but less than 2. Its a 1T sata disk. +--+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ +--+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) BOINC@HOME CREDITS SETI13455882.021442 | EINSTEIN 9351661.309852 ROSETTA 5582768.444292 | ABC 15590735.717213 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:17:50 +1030, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local network, this isn't a significant risk. You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or damage another one, just because they're an ass? They have to get people to use such a repo, which is going to be hard. One could get away with it perhaps for a little while by showing different data to users and to the mirror checker. And only a small fraction of people are going to end up using such a mirror. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
Am 16.12.2012 18:02, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:17:50 +1030, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local network, this isn't a significant risk. You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or damage another one, just because they're an ass? They have to get people to use such a repo, which is going to be hard. One could get away with it perhaps for a little while by showing different data to users and to the mirror checker. And only a small fraction of people are going to end up using such a mirror. nothing easier as to point you to another repo with /etc/hosts if something goes wrong on your machine - it is enough if you are ONE TIME ente your root-password in the wrong dialog and after pointing you to a modified repo you get a backdoor installed which you can not detect if it is done well by filter output of lsof, ps and whatever tools you think are helping you in such cased who makes you believe repos are always trustable for sure and no ssh-keys of maintainers are lost and misued? it happened not so long ago to the fedora infrastructure (google is your friend) the first and largest mistake in context security you can make is to think you are secure but not have the knowledge to make sure it is so - goodwill and hope is no base for security signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 18:12:13 +0100, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: nothing easier as to point you to another repo with /etc/hosts if something goes wrong on your machine - it is enough if you are ONE TIME ente your root-password in the wrong dialog and after pointing you to a modified repo you get a backdoor installed which you can not detect if it is done well by filter output of lsof, ps and whatever tools you think are helping you in such cased At that point it is game over and a signed upgrade process isn't going to help. who makes you believe repos are always trustable for sure and no ssh-keys of maintainers are lost and misued? it happened not so long ago to the fedora infrastructure (google is your friend) That is a different risk than the one that started this conversation. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Hello, rpmbuild --rebuild ppp-2.4.5-22.fc17.src.rpm WORKED for me; the executables were generated under /root/rpmbuild/BUILD/ppp-2.4.5 I don't know the difference between rpmbuild -bb ppp.spec or at least and rpmbuild -bc ppp.spec. rgs Kevin On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: rpmbuild --rebuild ppp-2.4.5-22.fc17.src.rpm -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Am 16.12.2012 19:06, schrieb Kevin Wilson: Hello, rpmbuild --rebuild ppp-2.4.5-22.fc17.src.rpm WORKED for me; the executables were generated under /root/rpmbuild/BUILD/ppp-2.4.5 do NOT build packages as root! any error in the source or SPEC may overwrite files on your running system - the idea behind rpmbuild is to always have a clean buildroot and NEVER touch the hosted system which will not be true if it it started as root NEVER build ANY sources as root even without rpmbuild the only thing which has to be allowed root-permissions is make install signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Hi, Thanks for the advice. I am well aware of it. This machine is a testing machine with very little which is important and it is backed up and I intend to isntall there f18 in a month anyway. Forgive me my ignorance: quick question: does rpmbuild --rebuild includes running make install? I did not notice rgs Kevin On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: rpmbuild --rebuild -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:06:35 +0200, Kevin Wilson wrote: I don't know the difference between rpmbuild -bb ppp.spec or at least and rpmbuild -bc ppp.spec. man rpmbuild explains these two build options. -- Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow) - Linux 3.6.10-5.fc18.x86_64 loadavg: 0.18 0.20 0.30 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Am 16.12.2012 19:33, schrieb Kevin Wilson: Thanks for the advice. I am well aware of it. so why ignore it? This machine is a testing machine with very little which is important and it is backed up does not matter there is no clean buildroot guaranteed if running as root Forgive me my ignorance: quick question: does rpmbuild --rebuild includes running make install? I did not notice for sure, try to understand how rpmbuild works * unpack the sources * run configure * make install in the buildroot * pack the RPM is all files are existing and listed in the %files section and that is why running as root makes pretty no sense / from the view of the build-rpcoess is the clean buildroot under rpmbuild and anything which tries ot break out there is simply a bug which must not happen so if all is working normal there is no need for root permissions and if there comes a permission denied something was not normal and thank god for not allow whatever it tried to run signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Thanks! Last one, really: suppose I want to build a source rpm. I do not want to run make install as I do want to keep my orig binaries. So what should I do ? this is in fact the reason that I tried rpmbuild -bp specFile and the moving to BUILD/ppp-2.4.5 and ./configure make from there. But with ppp it failed. Is there a flag which tells rpbuild not to build but not to run make install ? rgs KW Do On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 16.12.2012 19:33, schrieb Kevin Wilson: Thanks for the advice. I am well aware of it. so why ignore it? This machine is a testing machine with very little which is important and it is backed up does not matter there is no clean buildroot guaranteed if running as root Forgive me my ignorance: quick question: does rpmbuild --rebuild includes running make install? I did not notice for sure, try to understand how rpmbuild works * unpack the sources * run configure * make install in the buildroot * pack the RPM is all files are existing and listed in the %files section and that is why running as root makes pretty no sense / from the view of the build-rpcoess is the clean buildroot under rpmbuild and anything which tries ot break out there is simply a bug which must not happen so if all is working normal there is no need for root permissions and if there comes a permission denied something was not normal and thank god for not allow whatever it tried to run -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:24:21PM +0200, Kevin Wilson wrote: Last one, really: suppose I want to build a source rpm. I do not want to run make install as I do want to keep my orig binaries. So what should I do ? this is in fact the reason that I tried rpmbuild -bp specFile and the moving to BUILD/ppp-2.4.5 and ./configure make from there. But with ppp it failed. Is there a flag which tells rpbuild not to build but not to run make install ? It's important to note that while building an RPM _can_ mess up your installed system if the spec file is bad, it _shouldn't_. The RPM build process will run make install with a special temporary build directory as the target, and it won't overwrite your actual current binaries until you actually install the RPM. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Hi Thanks a lot for this info! Ok, I was afraid that somehow my binaries will be replaced by the --rebuild. Now I know that without installing the rpm nothing will occur to them, so it is safe and solves my problem. rgs Kevin On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:24:21PM +0200, Kevin Wilson wrote: Last one, really: suppose I want to build a source rpm. I do not want to run make install as I do want to keep my orig binaries. So what should I do ? this is in fact the reason that I tried rpmbuild -bp specFile and the moving to BUILD/ppp-2.4.5 and ./configure make from there. But with ppp it failed. Is there a flag which tells rpbuild not to build but not to run make install ? It's important to note that while building an RPM _can_ mess up your installed system if the spec file is bad, it _shouldn't_. The RPM build process will run make install with a special temporary build directory as the target, and it won't overwrite your actual current binaries until you actually install the RPM. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:32:45PM +0200, Kevin Wilson wrote: Thanks a lot for this info! Ok, I was afraid that somehow my binaries will be replaced by the --rebuild. Now I know that without installing the rpm nothing will occur to them, so it is safe and solves my problem. Correct. Although it is _more_ safe if you run as not root, as suggested. And it's even better to use mock, so you get a repeatable environment. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Thanks. What do you mean by repeatable environment.? KW On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: repeatable environment. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:38:54 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: for sure, try to understand how rpmbuild works * unpack the sources * run configure * make install in the buildroot * pack the RPM is all files are existing and listed in the %files section and that is why running as root makes pretty no sense / from the view of the build-rpcoess is the clean buildroot under rpmbuild and anything which tries ot break out there is simply a bug which must not happen It's not even necessary to break out of anything, since nothing forces the build'n'install procedure to stay in the builddir/buildroot. -- Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow) - Linux 3.6.10-5.fc18.x86_64 loadavg: 0.07 0.05 0.05 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 09:02 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: They have to get people to use such a repo, which is going to be hard. One could get away with it perhaps for a little while by showing different data to users and to the mirror checker. And only a small fraction of people are going to end up using such a mirror. And of course, unless at least some of the packages they offer are damaged, there's no point in it anyway. Assuming that they know enough to mangle the programs, doing so in a way that's not too obvious is going to take a considerable amount of work. Unless there's a clear source of profit for this, there aren't going to be many people who both know how to do it and are willing to take the time. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 09:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: the first and largest mistake in context security you can make is to think you are secure but not have the knowledge to make sure it is so - goodwill and hope is no base for security OK, what do you, personally, do to protect your LAN from this type of attack? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: building ppp from src rpm failed in f17
Am 16.12.2012 20:32, schrieb Kevin Wilson: Ok, I was afraid that somehow my binaries will be replaced by the --rebuild. Now I know that without installing the rpm nothing will occur to them, so it is safe and solves my problem. and that is why i explained you NOT to build packages as root to AVOID replace binaries while your answer was Thanks for the advice. I am well aware of it. Am 16.12.2012 20:24, schrieb Kevin Wilson: Last one, really: suppose I want to build a source rpm. you DO NOT want to build a source rpm read manuals So what should I do? reading manuals http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
Am 16.12.2012 21:07, schrieb Joe Zeff: On 12/16/2012 09:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: the first and largest mistake in context security you can make is to think you are secure but not have the knowledge to make sure it is so - goodwill and hope is no base for security OK, what do you, personally, do to protect your LAN from this type of attack? * trying to understand everything on my systems that is why i hate useless changes in fedora they often force to relearn things without benefit * not confirm dialogs blindly * not enter my root-password where it is no expected to be needed * not run random binaries * disable javascript and plugins in FF and use noscript-extension * not click on every funny link * not use skype and such crapware * use chkrootkit and rkhunter on any machine signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 16.12.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: * use chkrootkit and rkhunter on any machine If you really know your installation you could consider aide. Chkrootkit and rkhunter have produced a lot of false alarms on my machine... http://aide.sourceforge.net/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 12:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: * trying to understand everything on my systems that is why i hate useless changes in fedora they often force to relearn things without benefit * not confirm dialogs blindly * not enter my root-password where it is no expected to be needed * not run random binaries * disable javascript and plugins in FF and use noscript-extension * not click on every funny link * not use skype and such crapware * use chkrootkit and rkhunter on any machine Thank you. Asked and answered. As all I have are one desktop and one laptop, with nothing but private data on them, I don't need to take as many precautions as a professional does. Still, I probably practice almost as much safe hex as you do, because I consider numbers 2, 3, 4 and 6 to be simple common sense. (I also don't use skype, but that's because I don't have any need for it.) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Simple Question Re: FedUp
What problem in preupgrade does it seek to solve and how does it solve it? I have read the documentation and that question doesn't seem to be answered. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
Am 16.12.2012 22:37, schrieb Heinz Diehl: On 16.12.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: * use chkrootkit and rkhunter on any machine If you really know your installation you could consider aide. Chkrootkit and rkhunter have produced a lot of false alarms on my machine... http://aide.sourceforge.net/ /etc/rkhunter.conf.local is your friend you can not expect any intrusion detection working out of the box for your environment without take care to eliminate false positives while not step over real intrusions signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
Am 16.12.2012 22:53, schrieb Joe Zeff: On 12/16/2012 12:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: * trying to understand everything on my systems that is why i hate useless changes in fedora they often force to relearn things without benefit * not confirm dialogs blindly * not enter my root-password where it is no expected to be needed * not run random binaries * disable javascript and plugins in FF and use noscript-extension * not click on every funny link * not use skype and such crapware * use chkrootkit and rkhunter on any machine Thank you. Asked and answered. As all I have are one desktop and one laptop, with nothing but private data on them, I don't need to take as many precautions as a professional does this assumption is the root of all evil i have seen mails from ISP's to people because they sent a couple million of spam mails in background without realize this i saw mails from the police to the same people some weaks later proving that they made illegal activities because their machine was remote controlled and misused 98% of all attacks and spam out there are from machines where the owner said oh i do not need more security and do not care 90 % of this are home-machines beeing part of a botnet and the rest vservers of users missing any admin skill but think to need a root-server signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Simple Question Re: FedUp
On Sun, 2012-12-16 at 16:59 -0500, Fedora User wrote: What problem in preupgrade does it seek to solve and how does it solve it? I have read the documentation and that question doesn't seem to be answered. http://ohjeezlinux.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/fedup-a-little-background/ (this link is referenced on the Fedup Wiki page). poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 03:47 AM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local network, this isn't a significant risk. You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or damage another one, just because they're an ass? I can only hope that because of the integrity of most of the people who use / support Open Sourcethat the people who WOULD do that are few and far between!?at least I HOPE! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 02:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: 98% of all attacks and spam out there are from machines where the owner said oh i do not need more security and do not care 90 % of this are home-machines beeing part of a botnet and the rest vservers of users missing any admin skill but think to need a root-server ...and over 99% of those machines are running Windows. I didn't say that I don't take precautions; I do. My router is set to send requests on certain ports to specific machines and drop everything else without reply. Those machines only accept connections on those ports with proper authentication. All of my machines have their firewalls active and SELinux enabled. And, with very rare exceptions, all of the software they run come from the standard repositories for their distro. (I use only Fedora, but my sister uses Ubuntu.) In the unlikely event that one of these boxes was running a spam server, I'd soon find out because the DSL modem is visible from where I'm sitting and the constant activity would be easy to spot. Tracking it to the right machine would be a simple process of elimination, although cleaning it might be harder. What I have is enough for a home LAN with only two users, each of whom has two machines that might be active. It's not enough for a production environment, and I know that. That's why I asked about your precautions: to learn something about what else I'd need to do in the unlikely event I found myself in charge of some business's computers. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Simple Question Re: FedUp
On 12/16/2012 02:10 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: http://ohjeezlinux.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/fedup-a-little-background/ (this link is referenced on the Fedup Wiki page). Thanx. Alas, the first paragraph contains a gross error that tells me just how young the author is: in the beginning, you didn't download .iso images and burn them to CD, you downloaded images that were then copied to floppy disks; probably 3.5, but possibly even 5.25. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
Am 16.12.2012 23:28, schrieb Joe Zeff: On 12/16/2012 02:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: 98% of all attacks and spam out there are from machines where the owner said oh i do not need more security and do not care 90 % of this are home-machines beeing part of a botnet and the rest vservers of users missing any admin skill but think to need a root-server ...and over 99% of those machines are running Windows. the next dangerous assumption because this is true today but tables may turn quickly, few years ago apple OSX was also assumed to be no target not long ago i saw a compromised iMac from a user i would not call an idiot hacked by outdated java-plugin, AFAIK this was only more or less a proof of concept but after the damage is done it's too late My router is set to send requests on certain ports to specific machines and drop everything else without reply. be careful to trust cheap home routers here many of them starting to act as a hub if they are overloaded Those machines only accept connections on those ports with proper authentication which should be a minimum requierment All of my machines have their firewalls active and SELinux enabled. good so! And, with very rare exceptions, all of the software they run come from the standard repositories for their distro. (I use only Fedora, but my sister uses Ubuntu.) fine signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 10:04 AM, Phil Dobbin wrote: On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local network, this isn't a significant risk. You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or damage another one, just because they're an ass? On the face of it, I'm pretty certain an outfit such as Red Hat won't allow such a thing to happen (it may be a possibility in testing i.e. Fedora for a short while but I doubt even that will happen). In fact, after another quick look at the link I see that a bug has now been filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877623 about this. It's probably best to wait see what happens when 18 ships if this is still the case, it's up to individuals to approach the upgrade as they see fit. Cheers, Phil... I agree 100%! The days of people just blindly clicking on a link.or downloading a fileor running an app just because it comes from a trusted vendor...are over!.inspect and investigate.research and read reviews...do the leg-work that will keep you safe. EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: automatic helpers which really suck!
Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, François Patte sent: And, because there exist dumb programmers, everybody must change his mail reader, until a new stupidity comes in mind of the developpers of the new mail reader you have chosen... Unfortunately, that has always been the way. Software keeps on changing, and it's not always an upgrade. You can say the same for other technology, too. e.g. Digital radio and TV, with poorer quality sound and/or picture, worse reception problems, more complicated to use. Hence why several of my computers are still on Fedora 9. They work how I want, don't need updating, and I'd have to throw away the hardware and buy new expensive hardware to be able to run the current OS on them. Death developpers think that people are just playing with computers, they don't work at all, and they have a lot of time to configure their new stupid fantasies. I'm not sure what a death developer is, it sounds quite awful. But I agree with the complaint that some people just endlessly fiddle with their computers, without actually really using them, and think that everybody else does the same thing. Mine actually gets used as a tool, fiddling around with it is the last thing I want to do. It wastes my time having to tweak things to get them to do what I want them to. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.6.9-2.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 4 13:26:04 UTC 2012 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Epson Stylus SX525WD: scanner resolution can only be 75, 300, 1200 and 2400
Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, Frédéric Bron sent: 2. with xsane, I have access to the following resolutions only: 75, 150 300, 600, 1200, 2400, with scanimage: 75, 300, 1200, 2400. Why is it not the same list? How can I have access to more values as with the Windows tool where I could select whatever value I wanted? Educated guess: The list is what's actually supported by the software and the scanner. Putting in *any* value probably doesn't reflect what the scanner actually does, and probably is the software converting the scanned data into the resolution that you think you've picked. Interpolation often introduces horrible errors, or is quite CPU and time intensive if you want to do it better. A scanner can only scan at particular resolutions, if it's a traditional flat bed type of scanner (it has a scanning head with optical sensors in a horizontal line, with the sensors fixed distances apart from each other). The highest selectable resolution start with a 1:1 pixel relationship between scanned pixels and saved data, lower resolutions either skip alternate pixels, or merge them together. It's easy enough to merge one, two, or three pixels together. It's impossible to merge 1 and a bit pixels together, any attempt to do so is a fake. And trying to do the converse, of producing higher resolutions than the scanner can actually do, is also a fake. Yes, you can do optical smoothing to take out jaggies, and make things look higher resolution, but you're not actually increasing the resolution, recording more detail from the scanned object. It's faking it. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.6.9-2.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 4 13:26:04 UTC 2012 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: The days of people just blindly clicking on a link.or downloading a fileor running an app just because it comes from a trusted vendor...are over! Surely you're not serious? Do you really think people bother to do so? Most don't, even less would know that they should. That's evidenced by the massive numbers of infected computers. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.6.9-2.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 4 13:26:04 UTC 2012 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
Tim: You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or damage another one, just because they're an ass? Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: I can only hope that because of the integrity of most of the people who use / support Open Sourcethat the people who WOULD do that are few and far between!?at least I HOPE! The honour system, in the computing fraternity, at least, died long ago. Viruses, trojans, spyware, facebook... -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.6.9-2.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 4 13:26:04 UTC 2012 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 12:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 16.12.2012 18:02, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:17:50 +1030, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local network, this isn't a significant risk. You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or damage another one, just because they're an ass? They have to get people to use such a repo, which is going to be hard. One could get away with it perhaps for a little while by showing different data to users and to the mirror checker. And only a small fraction of people are going to end up using such a mirror. nothing easier as to point you to another repo with /etc/hosts if something goes wrong on your machine - it is enough if you are ONE TIME ente your root-password in the wrong dialog and after pointing you to a modified repo you get a backdoor installed which you can not detect if it is done well by filter output of lsof, ps and whatever tools you think are helping you in such cased who makes you believe repos are always trustable for sure and no ssh-keys of maintainers are lost and misued? it happened not so long ago to the fedora infrastructure (google is your friend) the first and largest mistake in context security you can make is to think you are secure but not have the knowledge to make sure it is so - goodwill and hope is no base for security But aren't there ways to protect myself?...I use ClamAV, I have NO IDEA how it works, and I'm trying like hell to get a grasp of the SELinux thing, but until I'm a guru in either of those categories, how would I prevent myself and my system from being compromised? I don't place too much faith in AV toolsonly because coming from a Windows World the Symantecs...McAfees..and various other so-called protection services did nothing to keep me safe. And mind you I was NEVER so ignorant as to think that just updating virus definition files would protect me..and that I could just click on anything I wanted! I was cautious! I didn't even visit certain sites I had heard got hitso coming from that environmentand not being savvy enough to hack myself into a perfect state of hardened securitywhat's someone who's still in transition to do?... EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/16/2012 09:02 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: They have to get people to use such a repo, which is going to be hard. One could get away with it perhaps for a little while by showing different data to users and to the mirror checker. And only a small fraction of people are going to end up using such a mirror. And of course, unless at least some of the packages they offer are damaged, there's no point in it anyway. Assuming that they know enough to mangle the programs, doing so in a way that's not too obvious is going to take a considerable amount of work. Unless there's a clear source of profit for this, there aren't going to be many people who both know how to do it and are willing to take the time. So thenthere's not enough REWARD for anyone to even ATTEMPT something such as this?.well I for one am glad! Makes it a little easier to sleep at night! LoL! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 03:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/16/2012 09:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: the first and largest mistake in context security you can make is to think you are secure but not have the knowledge to make sure it is so - goodwill and hope is no base for security OK, what do you, personally, do to protect your LAN from this type of attack? Maybe a AV?.along with port scanning and blocking?.maybe even a hardware appliance solution?...those are what come to mind first.after that some form of customized config file?or script?...and mind you...I have NO skill in configuring things like thatit's mostly from what I've heard and read!... EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 04:25 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: So thenthere's not enough REWARD for anyone to even ATTEMPT something such as this?.well I for one am glad! Makes it a little easier to sleep at night! LoL! There's not enough reward for most people, no. That's not to say that it can't be done or that somebody won't have the right combination of skills and low self-esteem needed to do something like this just for bragging rights, but the odds are much lower than they are in the Windows world where the probable payoff is also much higher. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Simple Question Re: FedUp
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 02:34:19PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/16/2012 02:10 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: http://ohjeezlinux.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/fedup-a-little-background/ (this link is referenced on the Fedup Wiki page). Thanx. Alas, the first paragraph contains a gross error that tells me just how young the author is: in the beginning, you didn't download .iso images and burn them to CD, you downloaded images that were then copied to floppy disks; probably 3.5, but possibly even 5.25. I'm not sure I'd call that a gross error. I installed Slackware from floppy disks, but the first Red Hat Linux came on CD. And the first Fedora certainly did. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Simple Question Re: FedUp
On 12/16/2012 04:59 PM, Fedora User wrote: What problem in preupgrade does it seek to solve and how does it solve it? I have read the documentation and that question doesn't seem to be answered. I'm not sure if there's a SIMPLE problembut I remember using preUpgrade to go from F16 to F17 and there seemed to be an issue with it after the upgrade was complete. I would try to login after restarting and I got an error message that wouldn't go any furtherin the end I had to install F17 from a clean install DVD. (which worked!) and I haven't had any problems since then.and that's what worries me about this fedup thingie.because I have a lot of data on this laptop now that I would hate to loseand although I back up regularly..(rootand home) I would still hate to have to restore all the stuff I have here.lets just hope that by the time I'm ready to upgradeall issues will be resolvedand I won't have to worry... EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Simple Question Re: FedUp
Am 17.12.2012 02:04, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.: I'm not sure if there's a SIMPLE problembut I remember using preUpgrade to go from F16 to F17 and there seemed to be an issue with it after the upgrade was complete. I would try to login after restarting and I got an error message that wouldn't go any furtherin the end I had to install F17 from a clean install DVD. (which worked!) and I haven't had any problems since then. i have never re-installed any fedora since FC3 all updates where done per YUM expect wto with pre-upgrade/anaconda which both more or less failed in summary these are some hundret successful dist-upgrades with YUM you only need to read careful and understand the section in the wiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_17_-.3E_Fedora_18 yum-upgrades are only supported because people do not understand that any other upgrade-method has the same unknown state from the first day of the releae because regulary updates are changing ALYWAS the base from where you upgrade the benefit of a yum-upgrade is that you can verify/repair things BEFORE reboot and even if things are going terrible wrong: there is no single reason for a clean re-install of a linux-os, ther is nothing which can not be repaired and no you do NOT lose data even if you re-install except you did the mistake not seperate data from the OS in a own partition signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Simple Question Re: FedUp
On 12/16/2012 10:34 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/16/2012 02:10 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: http://ohjeezlinux.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/fedup-a-little-background/ (this link is referenced on the Fedup Wiki page). Thanx. Alas, the first paragraph contains a gross error that tells me just how young the author is: in the beginning, you didn't download .iso images and burn them to CD, you downloaded images that were then copied to floppy disks; probably 3.5, but possibly even 5.25. Age is irrelevant when quantifying competence or skill nor should it be (you'd feel peeved I should imagine if somebody referred to you similarly because you first installed Linux from a floppy). If you feel the rest of the arguments he made in his post are somehow wrong feel you could enlighten him help the whole community out as well, I'm sure he would be only too delighted to benefit from your years of experience. Cheers, Phil... -- currently (ab)using CentOS 5.8 6.3, Debian Squeeze Wheezy, Fedora Beefy Spherical, Lubuntu 12.10, OS X Snow Leopard Ubuntu Precise Quantal -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Simple Question Re: FedUp
On 12/16/2012 05:15 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote: Age is irrelevant when quantifying competence or skill nor should it be (you'd feel peeved I should imagine if somebody referred to you similarly because you first installed Linux from a floppy). I'm not saying that he's wrong or not competent and, in fact, by the time I first installed Linux (an early version of RedHat in the '90s) it came on CD. I just thought it worth commenting on the fact that he didn't even appear to know about installing from floppy. If you feel the rest of the arguments he made in his post are somehow wrong feel you could enlighten him help the whole community out as well, I'm sure he would be only too delighted to benefit from your years of experience. Oh, no, I have no quarrel with his explanation; I just found it interesting that he was just as unaware of installing from floppy as he (probably) was about installing an OS from punched cards, as we needed to do on the first computer I ever programmed. (If memory serves, what we'd now call the binary image, along with a program to load the cards and write them properly on the hard disk, filled three drawers of punched cards.) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Acer Aspire V3-551-8469 NX.RZAAA.008 Notebook Fedora 18 64 Bit
i've just purchased a Acer Aspire V3-551-8469 NX.RZAAA.008 Notebook and had some concerns i'd like some feedback on. First of all its my understanding that this whole uefi situation will be resolved with fedora 18 is this accurate? also what is the best way to ensure that all of the hardware will be detected and functional my thoughts were creating a live usb. The system will not daul boot with winblows as i hate windows. Any thoughts advice suggestions and feedback are welcome llink: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4977874Sku=A180-156414 Thanks, Brian -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: automatic helpers which really suck!
On 12/16/2012 06:35 PM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, François Patte sent: And, because there exist dumb programmers, everybody must change his mail reader, until a new stupidity comes in mind of the developpers of the new mail reader you have chosen... Unfortunately, that has always been the way. Software keeps on changing, and it's not always an upgrade. You can say the same for other technology, too. e.g. Digital radio and TV, with poorer quality sound and/or picture, worse reception problems, more complicated to use. Hence why several of my computers are still on Fedora 9. They work how I want, don't need updating, and I'd have to throw away the hardware and buy new expensive hardware to be able to run the current OS on them. Death developpers think that people are just playing with computers, they don't work at all, and they have a lot of time to configure their new stupid fantasies. I'm not sure what a death developer is, it sounds quite awful. But I agree with the complaint that some people just endlessly fiddle with their computers, without actually really using them, and think that everybody else does the same thing. Mine actually gets used as a tool, fiddling around with it is the last thing I want to do. It wastes my time having to tweak things to get them to do what I want them to. I on the other hand am curious to see the inner-workings of some of the apps on my Fedora 17 laptop. ...but I also don't want to have to change or edit something every time I need to get something donesi I guess there's a sweet spot / middle ground that some folks can fit into. I'm past the point-and-click phase of computing, and am going to want to constantly learn how to do things, but I'm also no programmer-level, super-computing, genius who can do all things with a few lines of code. EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 06:49 PM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: The days of people just blindly clicking on a link.or downloading a fileor running an app just because it comes from a trusted vendor...are over! Surely you're not serious? Do you really think people bother to do so? Most don't, even less would know that they should. That's evidenced by the massive numbers of infected computers. I should have clarified: I meant that most people who use Linux aren't as naive as the Windows community...and THOSE are the ones who wouldn't go about clicking on things all willy-nilly! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 06:55 PM, Tim wrote: Tim: You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or damage another one, just because they're an ass? Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: I can only hope that because of the integrity of most of the people who use / support Open Sourcethat the people who WOULD do that are few and far between!?at least I HOPE! The honour system, in the computing fraternity, at least, died long ago. Viruses, trojans, spyware, facebook... And yet...I don't hear often of many Linux machines getting hacked or being infected with viruses, as much as other OS'es(don't want to sound like a flamer!) so there must be SOME sort of honor amongst theives! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 12/16/2012 07:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/16/2012 04:25 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: So thenthere's not enough REWARD for anyone to even ATTEMPT something such as this?.well I for one am glad! Makes it a little easier to sleep at night! LoL! There's not enough reward for most people, no. That's not to say that it can't be done or that somebody won't have the right combination of skills and low self-esteem needed to do something like this just for bragging rights, but the odds are much lower than they are in the Windows world where the probable payoff is also much higher. I've always thought that things were a little different here in Linux-LandI meanif someone comes up and brags about stealing something that was free to begin withthen what's to brag about?.what's so impressive about that? But to have not only gotten past a well designed security system, but to have ALSO made off with the crown jewelswell now THAT'S impressive! Comparatively..to hack into a Linux system that resides on some old geezer's home network (that would be ME!...LoL!) I don't think would make anyone do a double takebut to hack into the back end of say..Tiffany's.com...and make off with customer's credit card numbers...well...now THAT would be something to impress with(depending on your moral makeup!) EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Simple Question Re: FedUp
On 12/16/2012 08:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/16/2012 05:15 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote: Age is irrelevant when quantifying competence or skill nor should it be (you'd feel peeved I should imagine if somebody referred to you similarly because you first installed Linux from a floppy). I'm not saying that he's wrong or not competent and, in fact, by the time I first installed Linux (an early version of RedHat in the '90s) it came on CD. I just thought it worth commenting on the fact that he didn't even appear to know about installing from floppy. If you feel the rest of the arguments he made in his post are somehow wrong feel you could enlighten him help the whole community out as well, I'm sure he would be only too delighted to benefit from your years of experience. Oh, no, I have no quarrel with his explanation; I just found it interesting that he was just as unaware of installing from floppy as he (probably) was about installing an OS from punched cards, as we needed to do on the first computer I ever programmed. (If memory serves, what we'd now call the binary image, along with a program to load the cards and write them properly on the hard disk, filled three drawers of punched cards.) OMG!...incredible! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Simple Question Re: FedUp
On 12/16/2012 07:12 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: OMG!...incredible! Why? Granted, it was back in 1968, but the computer I was working on (IBM 1620, MOD 2) was already outdated, and nearly obsolete. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting to F18
On 16.12.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: /etc/rkhunter.conf.local is your friend you can not expect any intrusion detection working out of the box for your environment without take care to eliminate false positives while not step over real intrusions Here you take for granted that I'm running rkhunter out of the box, which isn't the case. But let's stop right here. This has nothing to do with this thread.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
