Re: Preventing resolv.conf from being recreated

[Bry8 Star]

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I wanted to use my own local DNSSEC supported, DNS-Server, so i added:
nameserver 127.0.0.1
but it was keep on overwritten with google-dns when rebooted :( and
google-dns does not support DNSSEC completely and Google also keeps
records of queries, a privacy issue.

so this worked, in my case:

chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf

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Alex:
> Hi,
> 
>>> How is this file being recreated?
>>>
>>> # Generated by NetworkManager
>>> search inside.mynetwork.com mynetwork.com
>>> nameserver 68.XXX.YYY.44
>>>
>>> So frustrating.
>>>
>>
>> Add
>>
>> PEERDNS=no
>>
>> into your ifcfg-   file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
>>
>> I assume you already have DNS1=, DNS2= entries
> 
> Okay, I've added that, but I'm very surprised that would be necessary.
> I don't recall ever having to include that. I've also included
> NM_CONTROLLED=no and BOOTPROTO=static, yet it seems to get the search
> and domain fields from dhcp, and possibly the nameserver.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Alex
> 
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Re: Preventing resolv.conf from being recreated

[Alex]

Hi,

>> How is this file being recreated?
>>
>> # Generated by NetworkManager
>> search inside.mynetwork.com mynetwork.com
>> nameserver 68.XXX.YYY.44
>>
>> So frustrating.
>>
>
> Add
>
> PEERDNS=no
>
> into your ifcfg-   file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
>
> I assume you already have DNS1=, DNS2= entries

Okay, I've added that, but I'm very surprised that would be necessary.
I don't recall ever having to include that. I've also included
NM_CONTROLLED=no and BOOTPROTO=static, yet it seems to get the search
and domain fields from dhcp, and possibly the nameserver.

Thanks again,
Alex
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Re: Preventing resolv.conf from being recreated

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/15/2013 02:11 PM, Alex wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have removed NetworkManager from my system, disabled it using
> systemctl, and enabled standard 'network', yet every time I reboot,
> /etc/resolv.conf is somehow recreated with information from a dhcp
> server on the network. I've also removed any package pertaining to
> dhcp, including dhcpclient.
>
> How is this file being recreated?
>
> # Generated by NetworkManager
> search inside.mynetwork.com mynetwork.com
> nameserver 68.XXX.YYY.44
>
> So frustrating.
>

Add

PEERDNS=no

into your ifcfg-   file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts

I assume you already have DNS1=, DNS2= entries


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Preventing resolv.conf from being recreated

[Alex]

Hi,

I have removed NetworkManager from my system, disabled it using
systemctl, and enabled standard 'network', yet every time I reboot,
/etc/resolv.conf is somehow recreated with information from a dhcp
server on the network. I've also removed any package pertaining to
dhcp, including dhcpclient.

How is this file being recreated?

# Generated by NetworkManager
search inside.mynetwork.com mynetwork.com
nameserver 68.XXX.YYY.44

So frustrating.

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Sam Varshavchik]

Matthew Miller writes:


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:21:19PM -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Taking an inventory of everything that I have installed, only
> httpd.service and ntpd.service have PrivateTmp=true. Which is now
> off. There are a few others, but they're disabled/not used. I think
> that PrivateTmp=true is now completely broken. Originally, it broke
> named-chroot.service, until the reluctant admission that it did,
> indeed, broke it, so it was taken out of named-chroot.service, and
> kept only in named.service. But, looks like it now broke two more
> services.

Are there bugs for these?


I just straced systemd, and I'm seeing that systemd fails when the forked  
child process attempts to mount /var/tmp, after unshare(CLONE_NEWNS).


My /var/tmp is a symlink, and I found bug 835131. Not quite sure why it  
started failing just now, after updating to this version of systemd. But it  
started croaking /now/, and not six months ago. My apache is serving up WPAD  
for my LAN, making all my browsers go through privoxy, which flushes all the  
junk on the intertubes. When apache failed to start, after the systemd  
update this week, it was quite jarring. My /var/tmp was a symlink since  
April 2011, according to its creation timestamp, and, until the systemd  
update, it was fine.





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Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)

[staticsafe]

On 1/14/2013 23:02, g wrote:
> 
> On 01/15/2013 02:09 AM, staticsafe wrote:
>> "also, good luck with subfolders under inbox."
>>
>> What exactly is the problem?
> 
> there is a known quirk with mozilla's thunderbird email client involving
> an email account's Inbox that has sub-folders.
> 
> due to high email traffic that goes thru Inbox, there is a possibility
> of the Inbox _email_file_ becoming corrupt.
> 

OK, now I'm worried.

> the cause of this happening can be for various reasons. the main cause,
> i believe, is from auto compact being enabled and new emails arriving
> when thunderbird is trying to do maintenance on file for emails that have
> been moved elsewhere by filter action.

I don't think I enabled auto-compact manually, I don't know if its
enabled by default, time to find out I guess.

> 
> another problem that can happen and mozilla does recognize it, if you
> keep a lot of old emails in Inbox, there is a possibility of file
> becoming corrupt. mozilla recommends that Inbox be maintained with as
> few emails as possible. i recommend to _keep_it_cleaned_-_period_.

This one I got covered, I maintain an "inbox zero" policy with all my
accounts, mails are filtered directly without ever seeing my "INBOX" folder.

> 
> there is a condition in the filter 'match' setting called
> 
>   ( ) Match all messages
> 
> which i use as last filter of each email account to move emails to
> folder 'Local Folders/all-other'. i have considered adding sub-folders
> to it, but my filtering is extensive enough that i seldom have any
> emails hit 'all-other'.
> 
> in your case, you could add sub-folders with name of you email accounts.
> that is up to you. what ever makes things simple to maintain is the
> main goal.
> 
> there have been a number of posters on the 'support thunderbird list'
> complaining about an account having a corrupted Inbox.
> 
> there have been many suggestions for a cure made. the one that works
> is to move *all* Inbox sub-folders out from under Inbox folder. they
> can be moved anywhere and i recommend they be moved to a place below
> the 'Local Folders' folder. cure rate by doing so is 100%
> 
> there is/was a page on one of non mozilla owned mozilla support sites
> that recommends no sub-folder and it gave same reasons i found to be.
> i thought i had bookmarked site, but i have yet to find it. it does
> not shown up with a google search.
> 
> so, now you know what i meant in wishing you good luck.
> 
> also, understand this, you may not have a problem now, your setup
> could go on forever. then again, it might hit you.
> 
> consider what and how much you have to lose vs the short time spent
> in dragging folders to a new location.
> 
> when you drag and drop folders to a new position, thunderbird's filter
> routine will rewrite your filters to show new position so you do not
> have to rewrite any filter rules.

This is the thing, I don't use Thunderbird's filter system at all. All
my filtering is done server side by a Dovecot plugin called Sieve as I
mentioned. This is useful as I use Thunderbird on multiple devices and
OSes and I don't have to bother to keep my filters in sync. Also I get
to write filters in my favourite editor which is great too. :)

So my situation is - Thunderbird doesn't see any "filtering", as far its
concerned, messages just randomly appear in folders. :)

I am not too worried about losing e-mails due to corruption as this is
essentially my mailing list e-mail and most if not all of them are
publicly archived. :)

> 
> now you can see, and i hope understand, why i did not want to reply to
> your question in thread i started. if a fedora, or any other user ran
> a search with "Subject: folders under Inbox", they would never find
> what they were looking for.
> 
> there are enough answers to problems out there that are no where related
> to "Subject:" line. i did not see advantage of adding another and hiding
> a solution.
> 
> i do hope this helps you make decision to move folders.
> ___
> 
> congratulations for your choice of wording in "Subject:".
> 
> tho next time, i would recommend "ping: geleem". i have a filer for
> that. (GBWG)

Noted. Thanks for your elaboration.

> 
> Opa. Metaxa.
> 
> 


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Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)

[g]

On 01/15/2013 04:02 AM, g wrote:
<>

oops. my apoligies. i did not mention one thing about moving
folders out from under Inbox.

before you make moves, if you do, that is, turn on logging for
accounts. this way, should there be any errors, you will have
the logs to help you find problem.

of all the recommendations that i have made, there where no
problems in doing so. filter logs are a cyoa* measure.

* cyoa = cover your own ass

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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:21:19PM -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Taking an inventory of everything that I have installed, only
> httpd.service and ntpd.service have PrivateTmp=true. Which is now
> off. There are a few others, but they're disabled/not used. I think
> that PrivateTmp=true is now completely broken. Originally, it broke
> named-chroot.service, until the reluctant admission that it did,
> indeed, broke it, so it was taken out of named-chroot.service, and
> kept only in named.service. But, looks like it now broke two more
> services.

Are there bugs for these?

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Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)

[g]

On 01/15/2013 02:09 AM, staticsafe wrote:
> "also, good luck with subfolders under inbox."
>
> What exactly is the problem?

there is a known quirk with mozilla's thunderbird email client involving
an email account's Inbox that has sub-folders.

due to high email traffic that goes thru Inbox, there is a possibility
of the Inbox _email_file_ becoming corrupt.

the cause of this happening can be for various reasons. the main cause,
i believe, is from auto compact being enabled and new emails arriving
when thunderbird is trying to do maintenance on file for emails that have
been moved elsewhere by filter action.

another problem that can happen and mozilla does recognize it, if you
keep a lot of old emails in Inbox, there is a possibility of file
becoming corrupt. mozilla recommends that Inbox be maintained with as
few emails as possible. i recommend to _keep_it_cleaned_-_period_.

there is a condition in the filter 'match' setting called

  ( ) Match all messages

which i use as last filter of each email account to move emails to
folder 'Local Folders/all-other'. i have considered adding sub-folders
to it, but my filtering is extensive enough that i seldom have any
emails hit 'all-other'.

in your case, you could add sub-folders with name of you email accounts.
that is up to you. what ever makes things simple to maintain is the
main goal.

there have been a number of posters on the 'support thunderbird list'
complaining about an account having a corrupted Inbox.

there have been many suggestions for a cure made. the one that works
is to move *all* Inbox sub-folders out from under Inbox folder. they
can be moved anywhere and i recommend they be moved to a place below
the 'Local Folders' folder. cure rate by doing so is 100%

there is/was a page on one of non mozilla owned mozilla support sites
that recommends no sub-folder and it gave same reasons i found to be.
i thought i had bookmarked site, but i have yet to find it. it does
not shown up with a google search.

so, now you know what i meant in wishing you good luck.

also, understand this, you may not have a problem now, your setup
could go on forever. then again, it might hit you.

consider what and how much you have to lose vs the short time spent
in dragging folders to a new location.

when you drag and drop folders to a new position, thunderbird's filter
routine will rewrite your filters to show new position so you do not
have to rewrite any filter rules.

now you can see, and i hope understand, why i did not want to reply to
your question in thread i started. if a fedora, or any other user ran
a search with "Subject: folders under Inbox", they would never find
what they were looking for.

there are enough answers to problems out there that are no where related
to "Subject:" line. i did not see advantage of adding another and hiding
a solution.

i do hope this helps you make decision to move folders.
___

congratulations for your choice of wording in "Subject:".

tho next time, i would recommend "ping: geleem". i have a filer for
that. (GBWG)

Opa. Metaxa.
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g
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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Sam Varshavchik]

Tom Horsley writes:


On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:38:41 -0500
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 11 Apr 19  2011 /var/www -> ../home/www
>
> But if this caused some unfathomable problem with systemd's PrivateTmp, I'd
> expect apache to barf, instead of systemd whining.

I did find something that objected to symlinks for some obscure
security reason once, I also move (part of) /var/www, but I do it with
a "bind" mount in my fstab:


Ok, I can buy that theory. But, if this were the case, and this is where I  
am having a disconnect, why is /systemd/ giving a frack about /var/www? All  
systemd, allegedly, knows about is ExecStart, which tells it to execute some  
binary blob called "/usr/sbin/httpd", with the arguments "-k" and "start".  
That's it.


And, I'm now fairly sure that this has nothing to do with /var/www, since it  
looks like ntpd is also failing to start with PrivateTmp.


# systemctl status ntpd.service
ntpd.service - Network Time Service
  Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/ntpd.service; enabled)
  Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:09:46 
-0500; 49s ago
 Process: 15004 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/ntpd -u ntp:ntp $OPTIONS 
(code=exited, status=226/NAMESPACE)
  CGroup: name=systemd:/system/ntpd.service

And, unsurprisingly, removing PrivateTmp from ntpd.service got it running  
again, with no further hassles.


Taking an inventory of everything that I have installed, only httpd.service  
and ntpd.service have PrivateTmp=true. Which is now off. There are a few  
others, but they're disabled/not used. I think that PrivateTmp=true is now  
completely broken. Originally, it broke named-chroot.service, until the  
reluctant admission that it did, indeed, broke it, so it was taken out of  
named-chroot.service, and kept only in named.service. But, looks like it now  
broke two more services.




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enabling broadcom-wl on F17

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi,

I installed F17 from scratch on a Dell with one of those proprietary
wireless cards. I last installed Fedora ( would have been F14 or F15 on
this machine) more than a year ago. At that time, I had to install
broadcom-wl from rpmfusion (non-free) and wireless became accessible
from what I recall. But no such luck with installing broadcom-wl on
F17. Is there something additionally that has to be done beyond
installing broadcom-wl to enable wireless. Network Manager does not
even show the enable wireless button so I am thinking that something
else has to be turned on.

(For the record, there is a switch for wireless: turning it either way
has no effect.) I can provide the exact specs of the machine if
needed.

Many thanks,
Ranjan

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/13/2013 04:23 PM, Tim wrote:

Tim:

What's a poc?  ;-)

Patrick O'Callaghan:

Part of a sig.

But that would be spelt POAS...   ;-)

Speaking of TLAs, it always makes me smirk when I see someone refer to a
computerised cash register as a POS (point of sales) device.
Considering that the POS is often based on DOS or Windows, the other
common usage of POS springs to mind, every time.  I'm sure I don't need
to completely elaborate on it meaning piece of 


"Piece Of Sandwich"?
"Piece Of Silver"?...
"Piece Of Sanity"?

LoL!

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/13/2013 03:26 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:


Am 13.01.2013 21:14, schrieb g:

also, good luck with subfolders under inbox

who needs luck there?
"mail.check_all_imap_folders_for_new" is your friend





Thank you Sir! This is JUST what I needed!


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Re: Steam on Fedora

[Konstantin Svist]

On 01/14/2013 07:02 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 01/13/2013 11:33 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> I tried out Team Fortress 2 and everything worked without a hitch.
>> Very impressive!
>>
>> Richard
>
> "Wish List" - Note to self: add Team Fortress 2!  LoL!
>
>
> EGO II

IIRC, TF2 is free...


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Re: Steam on Fedora

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/13/2013 11:33 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:

I tried out Team Fortress 2 and everything worked without a hitch.
Very impressive!

Richard


"Wish List" - Note to self: add Team Fortress 2!  LoL!


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Re: Steam on Fedora

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 01/13/2013 10:13 AM, David wrote:

On 1/13/2013 9:42 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 01/13/2013 12:41 AM, Errol Mangwiro wrote:

By the did anyone else see this?
  
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3852692/valve-linux-steam-box-local-gaming-server




I am eagerly awaiting this. Wondering how much I'll have to dish out for
the "entire kit"...(will definitely want some type of surround-sound
system for playing games, then there's the HDTV size increase I'll have
to secure!and I'll want some nice chairs..maybe a new paint
scheme in the game room etc..etc..LoL!)


EGO II




And, of course, the price of whatever games that you decide to buy.  :-)



Yes! Quite forgot about the games!  :o)


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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Sam Varshavchik]

Rick Stevens writes:


On 01/14/2013 05:38 PM, Sam Varshavchik issued this missive:

Rick Stevens writes:


On 01/14/2013 05:15 PM, Sam Varshavchik issued this missive:

Tom Horsley writes:


On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:32:19 -0500
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> … appears to be Apache. After installing the most recent
systemd
update:
>
> systemd[1429]: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/sbin/httpd:
Operation
> not permitted

I just installed updates (and rebooted) this morning and apache seems
to be running
fine on my desktop. I've got systemd-44-23.fc17.x86_64


Yeah, some of my other machines seems to have survived. But all I know,
is that on a stripped down, headless box, this update broke Apache,
until I took out PrivateTmp out of httpd.service. Only systemd was
updated, apache wasn't. That's all I can figure out for now. The error
message text wasn't very helpful, and googling it around found a bunch
of references to PrivateTmp, so I took it out, and systemctl start
httpd.service worked. Put it back, systemd refuses to start it, take it
out, it works.


Did you check to see if you have any selinux log entries pertaining to
this? "Operation not permitted" smells selinux-ishy to me.


This stripped down box does not use selinux.

Jan 14 06:54:40 shorty kernel: [3.219771] SELinux:  Disabled at
runtime.
Jan 14 06:54:40 shorty kernel: [3.249018] type=1404
audit(1358164472.135:2): selinux=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295

/etc/selinux/config has SELINUX=disabled

The only thing that comes to mind that I have non-standard is:

[root@shorty ~]# ls -al /var/www
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 11 Apr 19  2011 /var/www -> ../home/www

But if this caused some unfathomable problem with systemd's PrivateTmp,
I'd expect apache to barf, instead of systemd whining.


That isn't a broken link, is it, or some permissions issue where
systemd (or Apache) doesn't have access to /home/www? I can see /var/www
being a symlink to /home//www or even /home/www, but does
the apache user have write access to it?


As I wrote before: after disabling PrivateTmp for httpd.service, Apache  
comes up just fine.


It would quite an impressive accomplishment if the presence of PrivateTmp  
directive in httpd.service would somehow break and unbreak, repeatedly, a  
symlink somewhere else in the filesystem.


Furthermore, if, somehow were that to be the case, everything that I've ever  
learned about Unix or Linux tells me that it would be apache crapping all  
over my syslog, instead of systemd.





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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[g]

On 01/15/2013 01:24 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> before i get moderated again after said what i think?

do not blame me if you are getting moderated. it is your fingers
on your keyboard sending email to this list that is getting you
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[OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)

[staticsafe]

"also, good luck with subfolders under inbox."

What exactly is the problem?

I have quite a lot of folders under INBOX (using Thunderbird). Sieve
sorts my mailing lists subscriptions under INBOX/ML/$mailinglistname,
and Thunderbird picks them up fine once you subscribe (IMAP terminology)
to the folder and check the folder property checkbox - "When getting new
messages for this account, always check this folder".

Only time I've had issues is with MUAs on mobile devices, Android's
Email app and K9 are both broken in this aspect.
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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[g]

On 01/15/2013 01:31 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> please try not to act this way on tech lists

so, what? you want me to waste space on this list like you are
doing? it is you who needs to grow up.

btw, my date of birth is 4 august 1940.

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[g]

On 01/14/2013 07:07 PM, poma wrote:
> On 01/13/2013 11:03 AM, g wrote:
>> why is it that when posting to this tsl i will sometimes receive my
>> via my subscription and sometimes i do not?
>>
>
> Nobody's perfect.

very true. what bugs me about all this is this is first time i have
ever had problems with any mozilla software and this one is a bit.

it is only happening with fedora users list [here after to be referred
to as FUL], so i at least have it narrowed down.

i started to post a question to support-thunderb...@lists.mozilla.org,
aka, MST, but they have more squirrels running around on their lists
than what FUL has. and for strange reasons, some of them love to post
'left handed' remarks when a linux user has a problem.

another reason is that MST is loaded with oos users who use bogus
names because they are afraid of spam and do not know how to eliminate
it.

> Cheers,

Opa. Metaxa.

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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:38:41 -0500
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 11 Apr 19  2011 /var/www -> ../home/www
> 
> But if this caused some unfathomable problem with systemd's PrivateTmp, I'd  
> expect apache to barf, instead of systemd whining.

I did find something that objected to symlinks for some obscure
security reason once, I also move (part of) /var/www, but I do it with
a "bind" mount in my fstab:

/zooty/web-content/html /var/www/html   nonerw,bind  0 0

I don't remember now exactly what the symlink problem was, but
using the bind mount got rid of it.
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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Rick Stevens]

On 01/14/2013 05:38 PM, Sam Varshavchik issued this missive:

Rick Stevens writes:


On 01/14/2013 05:15 PM, Sam Varshavchik issued this missive:

Tom Horsley writes:


On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:32:19 -0500
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> … appears to be Apache. After installing the most recent
systemd
update:
>
> systemd[1429]: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/sbin/httpd:
Operation
> not permitted

I just installed updates (and rebooted) this morning and apache seems
to be running
fine on my desktop. I've got systemd-44-23.fc17.x86_64


Yeah, some of my other machines seems to have survived. But all I know,
is that on a stripped down, headless box, this update broke Apache,
until I took out PrivateTmp out of httpd.service. Only systemd was
updated, apache wasn't. That's all I can figure out for now. The error
message text wasn't very helpful, and googling it around found a bunch
of references to PrivateTmp, so I took it out, and systemctl start
httpd.service worked. Put it back, systemd refuses to start it, take it
out, it works.


Did you check to see if you have any selinux log entries pertaining to
this? "Operation not permitted" smells selinux-ishy to me.


This stripped down box does not use selinux.

Jan 14 06:54:40 shorty kernel: [3.219771] SELinux:  Disabled at
runtime.
Jan 14 06:54:40 shorty kernel: [3.249018] type=1404
audit(1358164472.135:2): selinux=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295

/etc/selinux/config has SELINUX=disabled

The only thing that comes to mind that I have non-standard is:

[root@shorty ~]# ls -al /var/www
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 11 Apr 19  2011 /var/www -> ../home/www

But if this caused some unfathomable problem with systemd's PrivateTmp,
I'd expect apache to barf, instead of systemd whining.


That isn't a broken link, is it, or some permissions issue where
systemd (or Apache) doesn't have access to /home/www? I can see /var/www
being a symlink to /home//www or even /home/www, but does
the apache user have write access to it?
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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Sam Varshavchik]

Rick Stevens writes:


On 01/14/2013 05:15 PM, Sam Varshavchik issued this missive:

Tom Horsley writes:


On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:32:19 -0500
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> … appears to be Apache. After installing the most recent systemd
update:
>
> systemd[1429]: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/sbin/httpd:
Operation
> not permitted

I just installed updates (and rebooted) this morning and apache seems
to be running
fine on my desktop. I've got systemd-44-23.fc17.x86_64


Yeah, some of my other machines seems to have survived. But all I know,
is that on a stripped down, headless box, this update broke Apache,
until I took out PrivateTmp out of httpd.service. Only systemd was
updated, apache wasn't. That's all I can figure out for now. The error
message text wasn't very helpful, and googling it around found a bunch
of references to PrivateTmp, so I took it out, and systemctl start
httpd.service worked. Put it back, systemd refuses to start it, take it
out, it works.


Did you check to see if you have any selinux log entries pertaining to
this? "Operation not permitted" smells selinux-ishy to me.


This stripped down box does not use selinux.

Jan 14 06:54:40 shorty kernel: [3.219771] SELinux:  Disabled at runtime.
Jan 14 06:54:40 shorty kernel: [3.249018] type=1404  
audit(1358164472.135:2): selinux=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295


/etc/selinux/config has SELINUX=disabled

The only thing that comes to mind that I have non-standard is:

[root@shorty ~]# ls -al /var/www
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 11 Apr 19  2011 /var/www -> ../home/www

But if this caused some unfathomable problem with systemd's PrivateTmp, I'd  
expect apache to barf, instead of systemd whining.




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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[g]

On 01/13/2013 09:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> well, if you do not want to discuss about something
> do not post strange things like "also, good luck with
> subfolders under inbox" which makes no sense at all

please excuse delay in replying to your second post. i was not trying
to ignore you. it is only that i do have other things to do and i am
doing email when i have a chance to.

if you would like an answer to my comment, post a question in a new
email to start a new thread and i will be glad to explain it to you.

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[Reindl Harald]

Am 15.01.2013 02:30, schrieb g:
>> or go and look up more acronyms to play with.
> 
> here is one for you i do not have to look up...
> 
>   K.A.F.B.A.

please realize that on tech-lists nobody is interested
in acronyms and child speak, from your posts the last
days i would say you can not be older than 13

please try not to act this way on tech lists



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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[g]

On 01/14/2013 09:04 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
<>

> Actually you've still misunderstood,

actually, it is you who does not understand.

so, here it, plain and simple--

if you can not help a poster, any poster, then do not post to thread
with you non helpful comments or insinuating remarks.

if you can not offer any helpful info, do not dump your personal
feelings into threads. you only show how ridiculous you are.

this fedora user list, [here after to be referred to as FUL] is for
people with questions looking for answers and people with  helpful
answers to help them.

> but since I'm out of g-time

good. now, there will be more room for a good reply be posted. there
have been several come in, one of which i have yet to finish following,
but will after sending this.

> you can figure it out on your own

i just might. for sure you have been of no help.

> or go and look up more acronyms to play with.

here is one for you i do not have to look up...

  K.A.F.B.A.

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[Reindl Harald]

Am 15.01.2013 02:03, schrieb g:
> 
> On 01/14/2013 08:37 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> <>
> 
>> I gather, then, that you got my point.
> 
> you wee making a point? wow. i thought you were being otherwise.

would you please stop trolling and childish-language
before i get moderated again after said what i think?



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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Rick Stevens]

On 01/14/2013 05:15 PM, Sam Varshavchik issued this missive:

Tom Horsley writes:


On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:32:19 -0500
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> … appears to be Apache. After installing the most recent systemd
update:
>
> systemd[1429]: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/sbin/httpd:
Operation
> not permitted

I just installed updates (and rebooted) this morning and apache seems
to be running
fine on my desktop. I've got systemd-44-23.fc17.x86_64


Yeah, some of my other machines seems to have survived. But all I know,
is that on a stripped down, headless box, this update broke Apache,
until I took out PrivateTmp out of httpd.service. Only systemd was
updated, apache wasn't. That's all I can figure out for now. The error
message text wasn't very helpful, and googling it around found a bunch
of references to PrivateTmp, so I took it out, and systemctl start
httpd.service worked. Put it back, systemd refuses to start it, take it
out, it works.


Did you check to see if you have any selinux log entries pertaining to
this? "Operation not permitted" smells selinux-ishy to me.
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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Sam Varshavchik]

Tom Horsley writes:


On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:32:19 -0500
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> … appears to be Apache. After installing the most recent systemd update:
>
> systemd[1429]: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/sbin/httpd: Operation
> not permitted

I just installed updates (and rebooted) this morning and apache seems to be  
running

fine on my desktop. I've got systemd-44-23.fc17.x86_64


Yeah, some of my other machines seems to have survived. But all I know, is  
that on a stripped down, headless box, this update broke Apache, until I  
took out PrivateTmp out of httpd.service. Only systemd was updated, apache  
wasn't. That's all I can figure out for now. The error message text wasn't  
very helpful, and googling it around found a bunch of references to  
PrivateTmp, so I took it out, and systemctl start httpd.service worked. Put  
it back, systemd refuses to start it, take it out, it works.




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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

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On 01/14/2013 08:37 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
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> I gather, then, that you got my point.

you wee making a point? wow. i thought you were being otherwise.

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Re: Install fails with Xorg segfault on fc17

[Alex]

Hi,

>> Turns out I was able to get it to install by choosing the second
>> option, Troubleshooting, then choosing "Use Basic VGA", which must
>> just load a basic VGA Xorg driver.
>>
> Glad it worked for you, I tried the basic graphics (uses VESA xdriver),
> which didn't work, removed the "nomodeset" option which then got me to a
> nice GNOME3 wallpaper but no login or apps,

Have you tried switching terminals to see if it's printed any
debugging info that might indicate what the problem might be? Check
out /tmp/X.log as well.

> I substituted the radeon xdriver
> fot VESA with the same results. I tried manually setting the VESA

How did you do that?

> resolution. I tried swearing at it. I think I can safely say that neither
> fc16 nor fc17 are going to ever install on this machine, fc11 with selected
> security upgrade forever.

fc18 should be out in a day or so, assuming there are no further
delays. At the least, the vnc install option should be available.

Regards,
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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[Ian Malone]

On 14 January 2013 18:34, g  wrote:
>
> On 01/14/2013 08:06 AM, Ian Malone wrote:


> so, i am now of belief that you have a misapprehension in thinking that
> your post is a proper post and that it will help solve what i specified
> in my first post.
>
> in other words, if you can not help, please do not bother me.
>
> in short, read t. c. hollingsworth's post and my reply.
>

Actually you've still misunderstood, but since I'm out of g-time you
can figure it out on your own, or go and look up more acronyms to play
with.

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firewall-applet

[Gene Czarcinski]

This is a little early since Fedora 18 will not be officially out until 
tomorrow.


Did anyone test firewall-applet on a gnome desktop?  On a kde desktop?  
I also tried xfce and there is got an applet on the panel.  I am sure 
this is something about gnome shell or kde it it sure is not obvious


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Re: Dell Latitude D630 Laptop - Fedora friendly?

[Steve]

On 01/09/2013 03:44 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Wed, 2013-01-09 at 13:47 -0500, Max Pyziur wrote:

... per the subject line, any complaints? Any compliments?

Much thanks,

Max Pyziur
p...@brama.com

In my experience Dell Latitude Laptops work very well with Fedora. I am
noww using my second and I am very pleased. Dell also got the top marks
for computers in Linux Journal last month.
I'm running F17 (x64 - KDE) on a Dell XPS 17 and I love it.  Its friggin 
fast and very flexible.


It might help that it has 16 GB of RAM and an SSD in the first drive 
bay.  I'm driving a U3011 and a FWP20 turned sideways with it.






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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/14/2013 12:15 PM, g wrote:


On 01/14/2013 06:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 01/14/2013 10:34 AM, g wrote:

it might be more proper to refer to this list as a 'usl' as it is a
'user support list'.


It might be even better if you didn't invent personal abbreviations and
expect the rest of us to know what they mean without explanation.  I
don't go *clink!* when I walk and I doubt that the rest of us do, either.


so that i be polite about your comment.



I gather, then, that you got my point.  I didn't spell it out because I 
didn't want to be needlessly vulgar.  (Anybody who wants an explanation 
can ask me off-list.  Unlike some members, I do receive and read private 
messages to this address.)


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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[g]

On 01/14/2013 06:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 01/14/2013 10:34 AM, g wrote:
>> it might be more proper to refer to this list as a 'usl' as it is a
>> 'user support list'.
> 
> It might be even better if you didn't invent personal abbreviations and
> expect the rest of us to know what they mean without explanation.  I
> don't go *clink!* when I walk and I doubt that the rest of us do, either.

so that i be polite about your comment.

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[Ian Malone]

On 14 January 2013 19:07, poma  wrote:
> On 01/13/2013 11:03 AM, g wrote:
>> why is it that when posting to this tsl i will sometimes receive my
>> via my subscription and sometimes i do not?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Nobody's perfect.
>

Though that reply comes close.

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[poma]

On 01/13/2013 11:03 AM, g wrote:
> why is it that when posting to this tsl i will sometimes receive my
> via my subscription and sometimes i do not?
> 
> 
> 

Nobody's perfect.

Cheers,
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Re: FC16 or 17 video noy working

[Bill Davidsen]

The live and install CD don't seem to work in VESA video.

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'm ready to update a laptop from fc11 to something current (kernel and some
apps are upgraded by hand). I want to boot from Live-CD just to be sure the
hardware like me, and sure enough it doesn't.

I started with the fc16 version, 64bit, and it came up to the GNOME3 wallpaper,
moved the cursor to the upper left corner, and stopped. I never got the rest of
the shell, although the cursor moves in response to the touchpad. I checked,
terminal access was up, nothing I saw in logs told me anything.

Since I had an fc17 32bit USB also in my pocket I tried that. Same response, the
"throbbing meatball" graphic boot, wallpaper, active cursor, no apps. Terminal
is active and looks fine. FC17 has a basic graphics boot option, so I tried
that, which uses the vesa driver for X. This time I got the "marching squares"
boot display, followed by the same problem.

I booted again, using the radeon driver (radeon 1250 hardware) and not change at
all, other than the boot was now the graphic one again. Played with nomodeset
boot option, didn't help. Did a power cycle cold boot each time to be sure the
graphics card is clean.

So, I know that useful radeon support is provided by the vendor driver from
rpmfusion, and I have no issue with that other than how do I install so I can
use the driver? Anyone have a trick I missed? I did all previous installs using
the vesa driver and had no issue, so what now? I can run FC17 in a VM using KVM,
but that's hardly a solution, just a data point.

Thoughts?



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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/14/2013 10:34 AM, g wrote:

it might be more proper to refer to this list as a 'usl' as it is a
'user support list'.


It might be even better if you didn't invent personal abbreviations and 
expect the rest of us to know what they mean without explanation.  I 
don't go *clink!* when I walk and I doubt that the rest of us do, either.

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[g]

On 01/14/2013 07:38 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 01/13/2013 07:34 PM, g wrote:
>> please see post from and my reply to T.C. Hollingsworth.
>
> I believe that both he and I were referring to the last option in the
> mailman user preferences:  Avoid duplicate copies of messages

if i do not see a list posting, i do not know if my post made it to list.

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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[g]

On 01/14/2013 08:06 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
> On 13 January 2013 20:12, g  wrote:
>>
>> On 01/13/2013 01:59 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> <>
>>
>>> Gmail is slightly weird in several respects, since it's basically a
>>
>> that it is and why i do not use my gmail accounts for regular posting
>> to this tsl.
>>
>>
>>> In any case, the OP doesn't appear to be using Gmail so the question is
>>> moot.
>>
>> i did not see a solution to my question, so the post is moot.
> 

> You seem to be working under a misapprehension.

i have no 'misapprehension' of what this email list is for.

> This is the 'fedora-users list',

so i noted when i first joined this list.

> it is a good place to get technical support, but it is not a 'tsl' as
> you've decided to call it,

it might be more proper to refer to this list as a 'usl' as it is a
'user support list'.

i happen to consider most of the post i have seen in this list of a
technical type of relationship to operations of fedora, rather than,
specifically for, admin, announce, documentation, electronic lab, games,
spins, remix, package, kernel, kde, legal, mobility, ppc, spins, test,
virt, xen, sig, selinux, security.


> other posters are not actually required to limit their emails to it
> solely to solutions to your particular problem.

never said that they were.


> As to which, I see other people have already suggested the 'avoid
> duplicate messages' option in the subscription settings.

as already stated in another post, i do not have said feature enabled.

> If that hasn't solved it then it may be informative to look in you
> sent folder and compare headers of emails which did and did not get
> copied to you.

that is not how i have thunderbird setup, nor do i desire to set it up
in that way.

all of this is moot and really has nothing to do with problem that i
posted.

so, i am now of belief that you have a misapprehension in thinking that
your post is a proper post and that it will help solve what i specified
in my first post.

in other words, if you can not help, please do not bother me.

in short, read t. c. hollingsworth's post and my reply.

even shorter - KAFBA.

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Re: rpmbuild without "minidebuginfo"

[Suvayu Ali]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 05:37:12PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> Am 14.01.2013 17:34, schrieb Suvayu Ali:
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 05:11:34PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> > 
> > Can't you do the opposite of this[1] patch in your ~/.rpmmacros?
> 
> honestly i do not understand enough what is done here and that
> is why i requested if someone knows if and what has to be added
> in ~/.rpmmacros

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert, so I could be wrong.

I think what that particular patch does is to enable minidebuginfo in an
example macro file.  So I was thinking you could put a line like the
following in your ~/.rpmmacros file.

  %_include_minidebuginfo 0

Of course this is assuming using 0 instead of 1 disables a particular
option in RPM macros.

Hope this helps you,

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Re: rpmbuild without "minidebuginfo"

[Heinz Diehl]

On 14.01.2013, Reindl Harald wrote: 

> ..that doesn't explicitly disable debuginfo generation)...

Setting "%_include_minidebuginfo 0" in /etc/rpm/macros or in one of
the architecture related macro-files should do it.

 

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Re: rpmbuild without "minidebuginfo"

[Reindl Harald]

Am 14.01.2013 17:34, schrieb Suvayu Ali:
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 05:11:34PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 14.01.2013 16:31, schrieb Suvayu Ali:
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 02:32:18PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
 is there a way to specify in ~/.rpmrc or ~/.rpmmacros that
 locally build packages should not contain the new minidebug
 feature?

>>>
>>> I did not look very closely, but this post might answer your question.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>
>>
>> that is exactly the opposite i need
>> i want to get rid of the bloat
>>
>> "With these patches all applied any rpm you build (that doesn't
>> explicitly disable debuginfo generation) will get xz compresses minimal
>> debug info that gdb will find automatically (unless the real debuginfo
>> is installed, then that will be used)"
> 
> Can't you do the opposite of this[1] patch in your ~/.rpmmacros?

honestly i do not understand enough what is done here and that
is why i requested if someone knows if and what has to be added
in ~/.rpmmacros



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Re: rpmbuild without "minidebuginfo"

[Suvayu Ali]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 05:11:34PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 14.01.2013 16:31, schrieb Suvayu Ali:
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 02:32:18PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> is there a way to specify in ~/.rpmrc or ~/.rpmmacros that
> >> locally build packages should not contain the new minidebug
> >> feature?
> >>
> > 
> > I did not look very closely, but this post might answer your question.
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> 
> 
> that is exactly the opposite i need
> i want to get rid of the bloat
> 
> "With these patches all applied any rpm you build (that doesn't
> explicitly disable debuginfo generation) will get xz compresses minimal
> debug info that gdb will find automatically (unless the real debuginfo
> is installed, then that will be used)"

Can't you do the opposite of this[1] patch in your ~/.rpmmacros ?


Footnotes:

[1] 


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Re: Steam on Fedora

[Patrick Lists]

On 01/14/2013 04:54 PM, Jim wrote:
[snip]

Does anyone know if this version of Steam on Linux will play Call of
Duty , Black Opts.


Afaik those games have not been ported to Linux.

Regards,
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Re: rpmbuild without "minidebuginfo"

[Reindl Harald]

Am 14.01.2013 16:31, schrieb Suvayu Ali:
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 02:32:18PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> is there a way to specify in ~/.rpmrc or ~/.rpmmacros that
>> locally build packages should not contain the new minidebug
>> feature?
>>
> 
> I did not look very closely, but this post might answer your question.
> 
>   
> 
> Hope this helps,


that is exactly the opposite i need
i want to get rid of the bloat

"With these patches all applied any rpm you build (that doesn't
explicitly disable debuginfo generation) will get xz compresses minimal
debug info that gdb will find automatically (unless the real debuginfo
is installed, then that will be used)"






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Re: [389-users] How to set up 389 client

[Doug Tucker]

When I go to System->Administration->Users and Groups, that new-user 
should be listed

No, it shoudn't.



It is not.

When I do id new-user, it shows all the sssd information correctly and 
the POSIX attributes that I set in LDAP server.


What do I need to do in order for the id new-user command information 
to show up in the Users and Groups list on the LDAP client?
I know of no way to make this happen.  The tools you are referring to 
just simply read the static /etc/passwd and /etc/group files. The ldap 
client tools make the connection and request to the ldap server which 
upon request hands them the credentials.


The tool id is completely different, as it runs through the pam setup 
for user information which then directs the request to the ldap server.




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Re: Steam on Fedora

[Jim]

On 01/13/2013 11:44 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 01/13/2013 08:33 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:

I tried out Team Fortress 2 and everything worked without a hitch.
Very impressive!

Richard



I'm not that much of a gamer, but a club I belong to has Joint 
Operations on its LAN and I'm fond of it.  Does anybody know how it 
works on Linux?  There's a listing for it at Wine HQ, but it's not 
exactly recent.


Does anyone know if this version of Steam on Linux will play Call of 
Duty , Black Opts.

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Re: rpmbuild without "minidebuginfo"

[Suvayu Ali]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 02:32:18PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> is there a way to specify in ~/.rpmrc or ~/.rpmmacros that
> locally build packages should not contain the new minidebug
> feature?
> 

I did not look very closely, but this post might answer your question.

  

Hope this helps,

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Re: The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:32:19 -0500
Sam Varshavchik wrote:

> … appears to be Apache. After installing the most recent systemd update:
> 
> systemd[1429]: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/sbin/httpd: Operation  
> not permitted

I just installed updates (and rebooted) this morning and apache seems to be 
running
fine on my desktop. I've got systemd-44-23.fc17.x86_64
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The latest victim of systemd's PrivateTmp…

[Sam Varshavchik]

… appears to be Apache. After installing the most recent systemd update:

systemd[1429]: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/sbin/httpd: Operation  
not permitted





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rpmbuild without "minidebuginfo"

[Reindl Harald]

is there a way to specify in ~/.rpmrc or ~/.rpmmacros that
locally build packages should not contain the new minidebug
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Re: [OT] posting and receiving post

[Ian Malone]

On 13 January 2013 20:12, g  wrote:
>
> On 01/13/2013 01:59 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> <>
>
>> Gmail is slightly weird in several respects, since it's basically a
>
> that it is and why i do not use my gmail accounts for regular posting
> to this tsl.
>
>
>> In any case, the OP doesn't appear to be using Gmail so the question is
>> moot.
>
> i did not see a solution to my question, so the post is moot.

You seem to be working under a misapprehension. This is the
'fedora-users list', it is a good place to get technical support, but
it is not a 'tsl' as you've decided to call it, and other posters are
not actually required to limit their emails to it solely to solutions
to your particular problem.

As to which, I see other people have already suggested the 'avoid
duplicate messages' option in the subscription settings. If that
hasn't solved it then it may be informative to look in you sent folder
and compare headers of emails which did and did not get copied to you.


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