Re: KMail trash folder? [solved]
On 01/20/2013 05:03 AM, Peter Gueckel wrote: <> > Yes, this is what I did, too, and it worked exactly as you > described. I am glad it was so intuitive to understand, but I guess > I should have filed a bug report after all when I first encountered > the problem ;-) now this is real interesting. this thread started out: }>On 11/01/2012 05:04 PM, Alan Evans wrote: }> In KMail (F17), where is the "Trash" folder? If I select a message and then }> click the "Move to Trash" button, where is the message moved to? How do I }> recover accidentally deleted messages? }> }> On the sidebar, there is only "inbox," "outbox," and "sent-mail" listed }> under Local Folders. }> }> -Alan does "Alan Evans" use any alias of "Peter Gueckel"? or, are you 2 different people? if you are 2 different people, "Peter Gueckel" should let "Alan Evans" declare when "Subject: KMail trash folder?" is [solved], because "Alan Evans" may not have [solved] *his* problem yet. later. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: lvm or btrfs? which is preferable (when, if applicable)
On 20.01.2013, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > F18 appears to give two options for installing from scratch: lvm or > btrfs. Which one is better from the point of view of the longer-term. While btrfs is a filesystem, lvm is not. Therefore, you can't compare them. See e.g. http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm > My current HDDs are ext4s. I switched then because I understood that > this was the future. What's the "future" to others must not neccessarily be the future to you. You decide. EXT4 as filesystem is a good choice, and there are some other good and stable filesystems out there (I've been using XFS exclusively a very long time..). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:38:04 -0800 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/19/2013 04:29 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > it is a VERY bad idea for someone who simply wants KDE > > > > why should someone install some hundret MB of > > software and dependecies just for fun? > > I don't do kernel development, but I need to have kernel-devel and > kernel-headers installed. (At least I think I need both of them. I > do know that I need at least one of those two installed.) That's > because I have an nVidia graphics card and use akmod-nvidia, which > needs them. My thought was that the OP might find out the hard way > that some of the KDE software expects some of that to be available, > but I wasn't sure. That's why I said that he *might* want it > installed. For nvidia you only need kernel-headers. -- Rares Aioanei -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Keyboard and mouse freezes with F18
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:25:20 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > The problem appears after a long period of inactivity I just came back to my f18 system which has been idle all night, and it is talking now with no problems. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Keyboard and mouse freezes with F18
> I'm having a problem with F18 (updated from F17 using fedup and > distro-sync). > The problem appears after a long period of inactivity (but only some of > the time). I have the screensaver turned off and power management set to > dim the monitor but not power it down. The screen is lit but keyboard > and mouse are unresponsive, including Ctrl-Alt-Fn combinations. The > system is not hung as I can SSH in and everything seems to be working, > but attempts to use systemctl start runlevel3.target (or ... 5.target) > have no effect. The only option appears to be rebooting. do you also experience what is described in this bug report? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=901405 Frédéric -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 14:50 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > Another idiocy in the F18 installer is that there is no way to > configure wireless connectivity if the WAP does not broadcast its > SSID. Clicking on the configure button does nothing unless you select > an entry from the drop down list. You don't even get a message saying > you need to select a wireless connection. Yeah, well, when you break networking by not broadcasting the SSID, what do you expect? SSID is a normal, and expected, part of wireless networking. Hiding it is not a security solution, of any kind. Hiding it is an idiocy promulgated by dimwits who have no idea what they're talking about. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: lvm or btrfs? which is preferable (when, if applicable)
On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 19:00 -0600, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > I move to lvm, or leave things as is, to ext4? LVM is a container, if you like. It can span multiple disk drives, so they appear as one huge drive. And it can be expanded across even more drives, if you add them, in the future. That gives you the advantage of what appears to be a huge drive. It gives you the disadvantage that a failure of any drive could result in the total loss of everything on all drives. If you only have one drive, and if you never intend to try that spanning trick, I recommend that you do not use LVM. It just adds yet another problem to a computer system. Now, for ext4. It's a filing system. The partitions inside an LVM can use ext4, and the partitions inside a single hard drive partitioned in the traditional way can use ext4. If you're happy with ext4, don't want to try another filing system, stick with it. If considering another filing system, think about why: Is it faster? Are their other advantages? Are their any advantages over your current one? And think about why not: Is there any point in changing? Are there disadvantages? Are there any known flaws? Are there recovery tools for dealing with lost, or accidentally deleted data. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
Am 20.01.2013 14:48, schrieb Tim: > On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 14:50 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: >> Another idiocy in the F18 installer is that there is no way to >> configure wireless connectivity if the WAP does not broadcast its >> SSID. Clicking on the configure button does nothing unless you select >> an entry from the drop down list. You don't even get a message saying >> you need to select a wireless connection. > > Yeah, well, when you break networking by not broadcasting the SSID, what > do you expect? > > SSID is a normal, and expected, part of wireless networking. > Hiding it is not a security solution, of any kind. > > Hiding it is an idiocy promulgated by dimwits who have no idea what > they're talking about. that is technically true but at the same time "security by obscurity" ADDITIONAL to other protections of your network is not so bad - guess which network is more targeted the one which cries out his SSID or the one which must be actively searched the point is that a idiotic installer which ONLY can do some things automatic and have no way for power-users to make their decisions is broken by design and a homage to the "post-pc" or as i call it "all-designed-for-idiots"-area signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Keyboard and mouse freezes with F18
On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 07:55 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:25:20 -0430 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > The problem appears after a long period of inactivity > > I just came back to my f18 system which has been idle > all night, and it is talking now with no problems. As I said, it's only some of the time. I've just returned after leaving it all night and had no problems. That makes it hard to reproduce and debug. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]
On 01/17/2013 01:54 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 02:45 +, g wrote: >> now i find out that the >> ???great and wonderful??? yahoo email service has been marking good >> emails as spam and then automatically deleting them for me. what is >> even worse, this has been going on for almost a full year. > > No spam filter is perfect. You need to check what it's doing from time > to time, and it's easy to forget, especially when it's mostly working. i am hoping that it is perfect. yuckahoo help was of little help. i did run a search via duckduckgo.com to find what is supposed to turn off spam filter. what grips me about yuckahoo is why, when i had spam filtering turned off when i was enjoying bellsouth.net as email server and them they come along and turn them back on. another grip is now that i have spam filters turned, feature of "Select or deselect all messages" and "Check All - Clear All" no longer works in any of the Folders. i guess that is a price one has to pay for turning off spam filtering. :) btfw, tim was correct about 'tsl'. shame he does not like abbrevs. ;) -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]
On 01/17/2013 02:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: <> > Granted, I've had a few GT's tonight... But, IMHO, too much time has > been spent on this OT subject with no bearing Fedora as a whole. i agree. 5 days and you did not make a suggestion to check if email server was filtering. plus, neither of your 2 post offer any type of suggestion as to what might be problem. (GBWG) -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]
On 01/17/2013 02:04 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 22:11 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: <> >> Granted, I've had a few GT's tonight... But, IMHO, too much time has > been spent on this OT subject with no bearing Fedora as a whole. > > And yet you tempt us with another acronym :-) > > (I just figured out you meant Gin and Tonic. It's usually spelt G&T > where I come from). it would be nice if he sobered up and set his 'line wrap'. +1 on the G&T. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]
On 01/17/2013 09:20 PM, Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> And yet you tempt us with another acronym :-) >> >> (I just figured out you meant Gin and Tonic. It's usually spelt G&T >> where I come from). > > Here, GT is a car. Holden GT. also, it could stand for 'great t..ts', or 'great t.ts'. depending on where you are from. ;-) -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Keyboard and mouse freezes with F18
On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 14:11 +0100, Frédéric Bron wrote: > > I'm having a problem with F18 (updated from F17 using fedup and > > distro-sync). > > The problem appears after a long period of inactivity (but only some of > > the time). I have the screensaver turned off and power management set to > > dim the monitor but not power it down. The screen is lit but keyboard > > and mouse are unresponsive, including Ctrl-Alt-Fn combinations. The > > system is not hung as I can SSH in and everything seems to be working, > > but attempts to use systemctl start runlevel3.target (or ... 5.target) > > have no effect. The only option appears to be rebooting. > > do you also experience what is described in this bug report? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=901405 I haven't tried switching users, but I'll test it and report on the BZ page if I get the problem. I've also had a strange issue a couple of times where the mouse cursor disappears. The mouse itself is still active (I can highlight links on web pages etc., right-click to get a menu, etc.), but then a dialogue pops up in the top left corner telling me that a monitor has been disconnected and asking if I want to reconfigure. However this may be unrelated to the other problem, it's hard to tell. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]
On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 13:54 +, g wrote: > > No spam filter is perfect. You need to check what it's doing from > time > > to time, and it's easy to forget, especially when it's mostly > working. > i am hoping that it is perfect. It isn't. Think about it: a perfect spam filter would mean you would only ever see mail you were interested in. There's no practical way to do that. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:18:18 +1030 Tim wrote: > Hiding it is an idiocy promulgated by dimwits who have no idea what > they're talking about. Actually hiding it is a small mercy which can benefit your neighbors, otherwise when they try to connect something to their router, they see a dozen SSIDs all named "LINKSYS" :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
holding a package
I have compiled from source GThumb, as Fedoras package wouldn't run on my machine. My compiled version is fine. I am now concerned Yum will replace my version with Fedoras the next time GThumb is updated. Is there a way to put GThumb on hold using Yum ? Thanks -- --Cheers-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]
Am 20.01.2013 15:02, schrieb g: > > On 01/17/2013 02:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > <> > >> Granted, I've had a few GT's tonight... But, IMHO, too much time has >> been spent on this OT subject with no bearing Fedora as a whole. > > i agree. 5 days and you did not make a suggestion to check if email > server was filtering. because everybody thought you would be smart enough to check basics of OYUR mail account at your own? P.S: stop write 20 replyies at you are doing now to same subject why the hell can you not combine all your 1-liners in ONE message? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
Am 20.01.2013 15:26, schrieb Tom Horsley: > On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:18:18 +1030 > Tim wrote: > >> Hiding it is an idiocy promulgated by dimwits who have no idea what >> they're talking about. > > Actually hiding it is a small mercy which can benefit your > neighbors, otherwise when they try to connect something > to their router, they see a dozen SSIDs all named "LINKSYS" :-) the one who are using LINKSYS would not hdie at all because these are the creatures with vendor-passwords and so on active not confugure anything at their own signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: holding a package
Am 20.01.2013 15:31, schrieb Frank McCormick: > > I have compiled from source GThumb, as Fedoras package wouldn't run on my > machine. My compiled version is fine. I > am now concerned Yum will replace my version with Fedoras the next time > GThumb is updated. > Is there a way to put GThumb on hold using Yum? google for rpmbuild and "Epoch" on the other hand you can define "exclude=whatever" for the fedora-repos signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Grub2 installation after upgrading to F18
On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 17:37 +, Jorge Martínez López wrote: > Hi! > > 2013/1/19 Matthew Saltzman > > > I have two machines with atypical disk layouts that I am upgrading to > > F18. (So far, I've upgraded three using fedup network with no > > significant issues other than this question.) > > > > 1. I have a machine with two drives and software RAID 1. Do I need > > to do anything special as far as installing grub2 on the second > > drive? Do I need to bother at all? > > > > I have the same setup and every time there is a grub update I run: > # grub2-install /dev/sda > # grub2-install /dev/sdb > being /dev/sda and /dev/sdb the two hard drives in the RAID. It is > important to install grub on /dev/sdb too because if /dev/sda fails your > system will not boot. Thanks for this advice. Now I still need an answer to my other question. On the RAID1 disks on this machine, as on my laptop, I installed grub on /boot (/dev/sda2) rather than on the MBR. (On my laptop, it's because I wanted to preserve the Windows MBR, but on this machine, it was just force of habit.) So /dev/sda2 is the active partition. So is it safe to install grub2 on /dev/sda2 (say) or should it be installed on the MBR? Or is there a way to tell of the former is OK for a particular configuration? If the latter, what partition should I make active? TIA. > > Greetings, -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: holding a package
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:31:36 -0500 Frank McCormick wrote: > Is there a way to put GThumb on hold using Yum ? You can put an exclude= line in /etc/yum.conf to exclude packages from being updated, or you can yum erase the fedora gthumb rpm. Both of these techniques have problems of course if there are dependencies involved that prevent other things from being updated or force other packages to be removed. There is also the "big hammer" I use sometimes: http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/Mjolnir.html A yum plugin that runs my hook to put things yum might have just changed back the way I want them every time yum runs :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Grub2 installation after upgrading to F18
Am 20.01.2013 15:37, schrieb Matthew Saltzman: > Thanks for this advice. Now I still need an answer to my other > question. On the RAID1 disks on this machine, as on my laptop, I > installed grub on /boot (/dev/sda2) rather than on the MBR. (On my > laptop, it's because I wanted to preserve the Windows MBR, but on this > machine, it was just force of habit.) So /dev/sda2 is the active > partition. > > So is it safe to install grub2 on /dev/sda2 (say) or should it be > installed on the MBR? Or is there a way to tell of the former is OK for > a particular configuration? If the latter, what partition should I make > active? grub2 should not be on a partition but make your own picture with google: https://www.google.com/search?q=grub2+install+in+a+partition signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: holding a package
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:31:36 -0500 Frank McCormick wrote: > >I have compiled from source GThumb, as Fedoras package wouldn't > run on my machine. Did you create bugzillas? -- Regards, Frank "Ask not what Fedora can do for you, but what you can do for Fedora" --me, courtesy JFK -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: holding a package
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:36:46 +0100 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 20.01.2013 15:31, schrieb Frank McCormick: > > > > I have compiled from source GThumb, as Fedoras package wouldn't run on my > > machine. My compiled version is fine. I > > am now concerned Yum will replace my version with Fedoras the next time > > GThumb is updated. > > Is there a way to put GThumb on hold using Yum? > > google for rpmbuild and "Epoch" > > on the other hand you can define "exclude=whatever" for the fedora-repos > I would also suggest filing a bug report on Bugzilla so that others may potentially benefit? -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
On 01/19/2013 04:46 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: <<>> > Thanks for this important info! my pleasure. glad to help and hope that i cleared up your questions. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
On 01/19/2013 04:03 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: <<>> > Well thank you SO much for clearing that up for meI'm in the process > of moving ALL my "child" folders from the Inbox...and placing them on my > local hard drive! again, you are welcome and i am glad to help. for no more than what is involved, even tho you have had no problems, you will be safer not taking any chances. with the way thunderbird authors are, you never know if and when they will make drastic changes to code and what it may do to your system. with no 'children' under Inbox, you cyoa. also, i suggest not to put 'children' under any folder that receives or holds any email. it is too easy to create empty 'parent' folders. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]
On 01/20/2013 02:08 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 13:54 +, g wrote: >>> No spam filter is perfect. You need to check what it's doing from >> time >>> to time, and it's easy to forget, especially when it's mostly >> working. >> > i am hoping that it is perfect. > > It isn't. Think about it: a perfect spam filter would mean you would > only ever see mail you were interested in. There's no practical way to > do that. true. i will give you that one. ;) also, being that it is yuckahoo, i well expect there to be problems. as i stated in another post, tagging and untagging _all_ emails has stopped working. i will give thunderbird credit for it's spam filters. from building of spam filters for around 15 years, only spam i see is what comes thru a list. even that is rare because it does catch a lot of what is sent thru the list. primarily, it comes in thru mozilla's list. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
On 01/18/2013 09:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 18.01.2013 22:05, schrieb g: >> how does folder moving tie in between server and client? > > switch to another folder and back if IDLE push > does not refresh enough for you "IDLE push"? >> which tree structure is reflected to the other? > > uhm? > > the whole structure is on the server as also the mails > there is no "the other" at all in other words, email client reflects what is on server and email client user does not have to build structure in client? emails are on server because it is the server. but as i recall, they are downloaded to client and deleted from server if so configured. years ago, when i was using imap, i filtered on my client, not on server. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] posting and receiving post [*solved*]
On 01/20/2013 02:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 20.01.2013 15:02, schrieb g: >> On 01/17/2013 02:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> <> >>> Granted, I've had a few GT's tonight... But, IMHO, too much time has >>> been spent on this OT subject with no bearing Fedora as a whole. >> >> i agree. 5 days and you did not make a suggestion to check if email >> server was filtering. > > because everybody thought you would be smart > enough to check basics of OYUR mail account > at your own? as it is, when i first thought i had a problem, i did check server on several occasions. as it now turns, my checks must have been after yuckahoo had deleted what was in spam folder. plus, at those times of checking, i did check what set was for spam filtering and it was not clear at that time just what was going on. later on, when i posted [*solved*], was after checking spam folder and finding over 900 emails in spam folder. only 3 where actually spam. > P.S: > stop write 20 replyies at you are doing now to same subject > why the hell can you not combine all your 1-liners in ONE message? because i make replies as i am reading emails. not every one can be as perfect as you seem to think you are. !not! -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
Am 20.01.2013 15:38, schrieb g: > > On 01/18/2013 09:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 18.01.2013 22:05, schrieb g: >>> how does folder moving tie in between server and client? >> >> switch to another folder and back if IDLE push >> does not refresh enough for you > > "IDLE push"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE >>> which tree structure is reflected to the other? >> >> uhm? >> >> the whole structure is on the server as also the mails >> there is no "the other" at all > > in other words, email client reflects what is on server and email > client user does not have to build structure in client? he can not build structure on the client anything you do happens on the server > emails are on server because it is the server. but as i recall, they > are downloaded to client and deleted from server if so configured. please google the dfiffernce ebtween IMAP and POP3 > years ago, when i was using imap, i filtered on my client, not on > server. surely, you can configure your client to move around messages between folders like for local ones, but that would be a dumb solution if your server supports sieve because if you are on a different client like smartphone and your client with the filters has to run the whole time or no filtering it is much more effective filter messages in folders via sieve on the server which affects any client everywhere and saves bandwith - usually filtering in the client is copy the message to the destination folder and remove it after that from the old one, this is not fast, no efficient and wasting bandwith and last but not least makes all the troubles with the thunderbird indexes especially if different clients are connected at the same time maybe you should consider reading wikipedia and references how IMAP works because your questions are showing you missed it signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
How to use a sound theme?
How do I go about switching to a different sound theme? Gnome's control center only lets me choose one of four lame sounds from /usr/share/sounds/gnome/default/alerts. I have a whole bunch of complete sound themes in /usr/share/sounds, but I can't figure out how to use them in F18. pgpNUWtBId0Xh.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
X and file permissions
Is it possible that X somehow makes a file inaccessible not when it's running but only when it (X) is shown? Here's what happens: In a virtual console, $ cat /dev/snd/controlC0 [just to see if it's accessible] returns cat: /dev/snd/controlC0: File descriptor in bad state (in a VC) so the file is accessible - that's all that matters now. (Of course, it's not an ordinary file, and given its permissions: crw-rw+ 1 root audio 116, 5 Jan 20 02:34 /dev/snd/controlC0 and that the user I'm doing this as is not in the audio group, I find this result surprising - but since it's the one I want, I won't worry about it for now :-)) However, if I do $ sleep 10 ; cat /dev/snd/controlC0 and then switch to X (which has been running all the time), wait for more than 10 secs and switch back, I see cat: /dev/snd/controlC0: Permission denied (Meanwhile, the permissions are still crw-rw+) It doesn't matter if X is just an X server, or a full xfce desktop. And lsof doesn't show anything that's using /dev/snd/controlC0 All this is interesting for me because I'm trying to find out the reason why sound works in a VC but not in X, and strace led me in this direction. I'd appreciate any insight or hints about this. Andras -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
gscan2pdf F18 issue
File save doesn't work nor does e-mail as I don't see a place to enter an address. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: desktop choice on Fedora 17 (was Re: A Look at Fedora 18)
Are you aware that your mails are totally ciphered so we can't read them? Greetings from Lailah El sáb, 19-01-2013 a las 14:46 +0200, Mika Suomalainen escribió: > > Error al verificar la firma: Falló > al ejecutar gpg. > Content-Type: application/x-inlinepgp-signed; charset="utf-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQpIYXNoOiBTSEE1MTIKCk9uIDE4LjAx > LjIwMTMgMjM6MDIsIFRpbSB3cm90ZToKPiAKPiBBbGxlZ2VkbHksIG9uIG9yIGFib3V0IDE4IEph > bnVhcnkgMjAxMywgRGF2aWQgc2VudDoKPj4 > +IFlvdSB3aWxsIG5vdCBiZSBvZmZlcmVkIGEgY2hv > aWNlIG9mIGRlc2t0b3BzIHVubGVzcyB5b3UgaGF2ZQo > +Pj4gbW9yZSB0aGFuIG9uZSBpbnN0YWxs > ZWQuIEZyb20gdGhlIHdheSB5b3UgZGVzY3JpYmUgd2hhdCB5b3UKPj4 > +IGhhdmUgZG9uZSB5b3Ug > ZG8gbm90IGhhdmUgdGhlIE1hdGUgZGVza3RvcCBpbnN0YWxsZWQuIEp1c3QgYQo > +Pj4gZmV3IHBp > ZWNlcyBvZiBpdC4gTG9vayBoZXJlLgo+Pj4gCj4 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18 Splash screen is not shown
El vie, 18-01-2013 a las 11:12 -0500, Bill Davidsen escribió: > Animations in splash have gotten boring, I wish they would use something > exciting like the FC10 boiling surface of the sun instead of the "throbbing > meatball" as one student described it. > > > > I agree, I loved that sun. What about a rain of stars now? Or comets or asteroids :-) Regards from the bottom, Lailah <>-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fonts missing
Hello everybody! Happy new year! I've just installed the Spherical Cow and I can use my older fonts. I used to copy&paste from one /usr/share/fonts folder to the other but this time it isn't working. My fonts are in Ubuntu, as root I copy & paste from there to my new Fedora. But I can't use them anyway. Somebody know why it happens and how can I fix it? Thank you all very much! Lailah -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: desktop choice on Fedora 17 (was Re: A Look at Fedora 18)
are YOU aware that your mail-client is broken if it can not handle multi-mime messages with inline GPG? i have forwarded his message at bottom Am 20.01.2013 01:25, schrieb Lailah: > Are you aware that your mails are totally ciphered so we can't read them? > > El sáb, 19-01-2013 a las 14:46 +0200, Mika Suomalainen escribió: >> Error al verificar la firma: Falló al ejecutar gpg. >> >> Content-Type: application/x-inlinepgp-signed; charset="utf-8" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >> >> LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkVEIE1FU1NBR0UtLS0tLQpIYXNoOiBTSEE1MTIKCk9uIDE4LjAx >> LjIwMTMgMjM6MDIsIFRpbSB3cm90ZToKPiAKPiBBbGxlZ2VkbHksIG9uIG9yIGFib3V0IDE4IEph >> bnVhcnkgMjAxMywgRGF2aWQgc2VudDoKPj4+IFlvdSB3aWxsIG5vdCBiZSBvZmZlcmVkIGEgY2hv >> aWNlIG9mIGRlc2t0b3BzIHVubGVzcyB5b3UgaGF2ZQo+Pj4gbW9yZSB0aGFuIG9uZSBpbnN0YWxs >> ZWQuIEZyb20gdGhlIHdheSB5b3UgZGVzY3JpYmUgd2hhdCB5b3UKPj4+IGhhdmUgZG9uZSB5b3Ug >> ZG8gbm90IGhhdmUgdGhlIE1hdGUgZGVza3RvcCBpbnN0YWxsZWQuIEp1c3QgYQo+Pj4gZmV3IHBp >> ZWNlcyBvZiBpdC4gTG9vayBoZXJlLgo+Pj4gCj4 Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: desktop choice on Fedora 17 (was Re: A Look at Fedora 18) Datum: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:46:43 +0200 Von: Mika Suomalainen Antwort an: Community support for Fedora users An: users@lists.fedoraproject.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18.01.2013 23:02, Tim wrote: > > Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2013, David sent: >>> You will not be offered a choice of desktops unless you have >>> more than one installed. From the way you describe what you >>> have done you do not have the Mate desktop installed. Just a >>> few pieces of it. Look here. >>> >>> yum grouplist > Installed Groups: <...> > Available Groups: <...> > Done > > No sign of Mate, in either list. Nonetheless, I tried the > following: > >>> yum groupinstall "Mate Desktop" (note the quote marks) > And got the response I expected: > > Warning: Group Mate Desktop does not exist. No packages in any > requested group available to install or update There is group for MATE, but for some reason it's hidden group. Try running "yum grouplist hidden" to see it. You can install it with command "yum groupinstall MATE". > By the way, lots of mirrors seem to be non-responsive, this > morning. It took quite some time for either command line to > complete. I recommend installing "yum-plugin-fastestmirror" and changing the maxhostfileage from 10 to 1 in /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/fastestmirror.conf . With that configuration it checks what is fastest mirror daily and uses it and even tells you what mirror it's using. - -- Mika Suomalainen http://mkaysi.github.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Homepage: http://mkaysi.github.com/ Comment: Public key: http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/0x82A46728.txt Comment: gpg --fetch-keys http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/0x82A46728.txt Comment: Fingerprint = 24BC 1573 B8EE D666 D10A AA65 4DB5 3CFE 82A4 6728 Comment: How/Why I send emails like I do http://git.io/tkIyFQ Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJQ+pWxAAoJEE21PP6CpGcoZ1kQAMPeff6RjIfL3ff5Ix12+dsy 1s3GeIUAloqdcCBjr18EOjp6J7u6HWPsXwnDS+TyRxNNysVMRrnZudc2xNEfmAIV Elh75YZTh0Sp2wWEIrpnOKMu+Zu7zYwM6o1p3+EVQ3VDUKLknz0fDdKx3+TecKkV bLAO+XfRPA/o+DOd0RK/SdrHJuyG3n9rgUoOq7wprGdG/PECM1e9lItXRuEPO1q0 hY9Gp4SipjRawnU+/IjEa/npuQX752M5INKJoIKqMuRlgZ5qqzT3i8K+J9fewgZo FDlxUDyDyDQSm/5Qn70rObZ014kcigks5jkBB3kbF/IqFMqu7sRJC0E+tUgBUfnG qJXnYIxL8+hGaFt2X/rYU2PEP52wENFIvgsGY50Hrz9CIQaFQtXqTAJVE8LFMY6j hJeSgXrXJ2C5uxAcM2nq61CNXPnavnRC+embC62WB6Hx8kbWwAtp4Vyhp36t/V1Y 6SaGs+WmQSkA4eumK0TafzfvYkX6gitQNyAqVBDKXw80Tq2J6wFMGxXm1uuYBycd G0b4gV5BVzfKH747RUQSN2mYv7C0w8ZQ7VW8URKwyu+PemQNibHFWBhgOSu1rB+R OFKeB6KNph1B9NEzAfxgmLxAyxV+kYGNisHt/Zh/hcZnswtOdvrjXPTWkK+71ViF ylQUzOe16R/SLFcHp873 =YOPu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: holding a package
On 01/20/2013 09:44 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:31:36 -0500 Frank McCormick wrote: I have compiled from source GThumb, as Fedoras package wouldn't run on my machine. Did you create bugzillas? Yes, but the problem seems to only affect certain older Intel chipsets...so I'm not holding my breath awaiting a working update. Now why it works fine after being recompiled on my machine I don't know. Of course I left out some of GThumbs options...like uploading to pictures services etc. -- --Cheers-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: holding a package
On 01/20/2013 09:54 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:36:46 +0100 Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.01.2013 15:31, schrieb Frank McCormick: I have compiled from source GThumb, as Fedoras package wouldn't run on my machine. My compiled version is fine. I am now concerned Yum will replace my version with Fedoras the next time GThumb is updated. Is there a way to put GThumb on hold using Yum? google for rpmbuild and "Epoch" on the other hand you can define "exclude=whatever" for the fedora-repos I would also suggest filing a bug report on Bugzilla so that others may potentially benefit? Already done -- --Cheers-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: multiple audio file conversion
On 01/01/2013 10:31 AM, Claude Jones wrote: Is there a way/tool to convert an entire folder of audio files from one format to another? I know Audacity will let me convert files one at a time, but I'm looking for a way to take a folder of multiple files and convert all of them at once... My files are .wav and I'm looking to create smaller compressed files to place on an iPod Touch sox -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Totem problems following FedUp upgrade
Yesterday my desktop PC was running Fedora 17 and I was able to watch all kinds of video files using totem. This morning I used FedUp to upgrade the PC to Fedora 18 and since then I haven't found a video file that totem can play successfully. I always get an error message that says: Videos requires[sic] additional plugins for this operation The following plugins are required: * MPEG Video decoder * MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder Do you want to search for these now? [Cancel] [Search] I've tried pressing the search button but it just says that it can't find the required plugins. It looks to me like I have fc18 versions of all of the relevant RPMs $ rpm -qa | grep -i gstreamer gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.31-5.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.23-2.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.36-3.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-rtsp-0.10.8-3.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer1-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.19-5.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-13.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-good-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-python-0.10.22-3.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-tools-0.10.36-2.fc18.x86_64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-2.fc18.x86_64 PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.8.7-1.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-0.10.36-2.fc18.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.23-13.fc18.x86_64 All of which leads me to two questions. 1/ How can I get back the ability to play videos? 2/ How did the FedUp upgrade manage to break this? Please let me know if you need any more information or if there's a more useful place for me to report this issue. Cheers, Dave... -- Dave Cross :: d...@dave.org.uk http://dave.org.uk/ @davorg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Totem problems following FedUp upgrade
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:03:06 + Dave Cross wrote: > > It looks to me like I have fc18 versions of all of the relevant RPMs > > did you: yum distro-sync? did you re--enable rpmfuion repos? -- Regards, Frank "Ask not what Fedora can do for you, but what you can do for Fedora" --me, courtesy JFK -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: holding a package
On 01/20/2013 09:36 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.01.2013 15:31, schrieb Frank McCormick: I have compiled from source GThumb, as Fedoras package wouldn't run on my machine. My compiled version is fine. I am now concerned Yum will replace my version with Fedoras the next time GThumb is updated. Is there a way to put GThumb on hold using Yum? google for rpmbuild and "Epoch" Wow, after reading for 2 minutes my head was swimming...and close to drowning :) on the other hand you can define "exclude=whatever" for the fedora-repos I'm trying this method. We'll see how it goes -- --Cheers-- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Totem problems following FedUp upgrade
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:03:06 +, Dave Cross wrote: > Yesterday my desktop PC was running Fedora 17 and I was able to watch > all kinds of video files using totem. This morning I used FedUp to > upgrade the PC to Fedora 18 and since then I haven't found a video > file that totem can play successfully. I always get an error message > that says: > > Videos requires[sic] additional plugins for this operation > > The following plugins are required: > > * MPEG Video decoder > * MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder > > Do you want to search for these now? > > [Cancel] [Search] > > I've tried pressing the search button but it just says that it can't > find the required plugins. > > It looks to me like I have fc18 versions of all of the relevant RPMs > > $ rpm -qa | grep -i gstreamer > gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.31-5.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.23-2.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.36-3.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-rtsp-0.10.8-3.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer1-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.19-5.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-13.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer1-plugins-good-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-python-0.10.22-3.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-tools-0.10.36-2.fc18.x86_64 > phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-2.fc18.x86_64 > PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.8.7-1.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-0.10.36-2.fc18.x86_64 > gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.23-13.fc18.x86_64 > > All of which leads me to two questions. > > 1/ How can I get back the ability to play videos? Have you tried adding missing gstreamer1 plug-in packages? see: yum list gstreamer1\* > 2/ How did the FedUp upgrade manage to break this? Totem in F18 is based on GStreamer v1.0.x, while you've listed also packages for GStreamer v0.10.x. Fedup cannot know if Totem needs additional plugins from repos like RPMFusion. -- Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow) - Linux 3.7.2-204.fc18.x86_64 loadavg: 0.24 0.16 0.15 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: holding a package
Am 20.01.2013 19:17, schrieb Frank McCormick:
> On 01/20/2013 09:36 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 20.01.2013 15:31, schrieb Frank McCormick:
>>>
>>> I have compiled from source GThumb, as Fedoras package wouldn't run on my
>>> machine. My compiled version is fine. I
>>> am now concerned Yum will replace my version with Fedoras the next time
>>> GThumb is updated.
>>> Is there a way to put GThumb on hold using Yum?
>>
>> google for rpmbuild and "Epoch"
>
>
> Wow, after reading for 2 minutes my head was swimming...and close to drowning
> :)
there is nothing to swim and drown
the package below wins even if version and release are
higher in the fedora package because the epoch is higher
Name: postfix
Summary: Postfix Mail Transport Agent
Version: 2.10
Release: 3%{?dist}
Epoch: 3
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Re: Fonts missing
On 01/20/2013 04:45 PM, Lailah wrote: > > Hello everybody! Happy new year! > > I've just installed the Spherical Cow and I can use my older > fonts. I used to copy&paste from one /usr/share/fonts folder to the > other but this time it isn't working. > My fonts are in Ubuntu, as root I copy & paste from there to my new > Fedora. But I can't use them anyway. > Somebody know why it happens and how can I fix it? > > > /Thank you all very much!/ > */Lailah/* Try refreshing your font cache: $ fc-cache -f I'd also advise you to put the fonts in /usr/local/share/fonts or ~/.fonts instead of the global directory, since they won't be tracked by the package manager. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gtk3 theme with arrows in scrollbars?
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:58:03 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > Not sure of your exact environment. But you could always install oxygen-gtk3 > from KDE. It gets you back your arrows. Yea, I spent some time ploughing through all the themes under /usr/share/themes/ which had definitions for both gtk 2.0 and 3.0, and finally did settle on oxygen-gtk as looking best and still giving me arrows to click on. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F17 -> F18 Laptop Problems
I've been trying to upgrade my laptop from Fedora 17 to Fedora 18 and it hasn't been going well. First I tried to use FedUp. FedUp downloaded all of the files it required. I rebooted and selected the upgrade option. I got the progress meter, but after only about thirty seconds the system rebooted and I was left with the same grub options as before the upgrade. No option to boot into Fedora 18 and no option to retry the upgrade. I booted into Fedora 17 and tried again with very similar results. However I've since noticed that something has changed as when I now run a "yum update" it tries to update over 2,000 RPMs to the Fedora 18 versions. This seems to go into an infinite loop of dependency resolution - so I killed it. I then decided that I'd download an installation DVD and try to upgrade from that. I burnt a DVD and the media test completed successfully, but I'm only offered the option to install Fedora, not to upgrade my existing installation. That's not such a problem. I have my /home directory on a separate partition, so what I've done before is to reinstall from scratch and reuse the /home partition (so I keep all of my data). But the new Anaconda partitioning UI is confusing me and I can't work out how to tell it to reuse the /home partition but reformat all the other Linux partitions and use them for the new installation. So currently I'm booted back into my Fedora 17 installation (that thinks it might be Fedora 18) pondering what my next move would be. I suppose I could just backup all of my data and trash the existing installation. But I'd be disappointed if I can't work out a way to reuse the /home partition. Can anyone suggest a way forward for me? Thanks, Dave... -- Dave Cross :: d...@dave.org.uk http://dave.org.uk/ @davorg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 -> F18 Laptop Problems
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:33:50 + Dave Cross wrote: > That's not such a problem. I have my /home directory on a separate > partition, so what I've done before is to reinstall from scratch and > reuse the /home partition (so I keep all of my data). But the new > Anaconda partitioning UI is confusing me and I can't work out how to > tell it to reuse the /home partition but reformat all the other Linux > partitions and use them for the new installation. > I have planned to install by cd/dvd next days, i hame very interested in your case, as i have /home in separated part. and my strategy is like your one. hopefully someone will help :) -m smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f18: GUI for video converter
For audio exist soundconverter, there is something like this for video? Thanks -- Dario Lesca - sip:da...@solinos.it (Inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 17 Gnome3) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 -> F18 Laptop Problems
On 01/20/2013 11:33 AM, Dave Cross wrote: So currently I'm booted back into my Fedora 17 installation (that thinks it might be Fedora 18) pondering what my next move would be. I suppose I could just backup all of my data and trash the existing installation. But I'd be disappointed if I can't work out a way to reuse the /home partition. Have you tried using package-cleanup? When I migrated my desktop from F14 to F16 it hung and for about a week I was only able to get into text mode. There were a large number of dupes, and I ended up cleaning them up manually, a few at a time because package-cleanup seemed to choke on such a large number of issues. (Of course, it might just have taken longer than I realized to work.) Depending on how much time you have, it might be worth trying. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f18: how to disable suspend when lid is closed without user logged in
... like old F14+Gnome2 does with a button "make default" ? Thanks -- Dario Lesca - sip:da...@solinos.it (Inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 17 Gnome3) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Acer V5-171 and Fedora 18
Hello! Is anyone had success with Acer V5-171 laptop and Fedora 18? This laptop has Windows 8 preinstalled and I am not able to install Fedora 18 with Secure Boot enabled or disabled. Similar problem with other distribution. Looks like stuck at GRUB loader. Bye, a -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
On 01/20/2013 03:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: <> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE good link. thank you. <> > he can not build structure on the client > anything you do happens on the server not quit true. i could build a tree on server and then add branches in thunderbird to do do further filtering. <> > please google the dfiffernce ebtween IMAP and POP3 i admit i do not have a full understanding of current day imap, but i do have an awareness of diff between imap and pop3. <> > surely, you can configure your client to move around messages > between folders like for local ones, but that would be a dumb > solution if your server supports sieve because if you are on > a different client like smartphone and your client with the > filters has to run the whole time or no filtering no. what is dumb is taking for granted that all servers use/support sieve, and being that i am talking about late 80's into 90's, before sieve, my doing what i did was not dumb. :) being that one of great advantages of imap is doing _pre_ filtering at server allows one to download emails to various systems and then further filter for needs of other systems. to give you a better understanding, i played with computers when they where run with punched cards. which is not counting the relay operated tic-tac-toe system at museum of science in chicago. :) shortly after zilog was formed, i built my first micro cpu system using zilog z80 and s100 buss. and yes, i used 8" floppies. > it is much more effective filter messages in folders via sieve > on the server which affects any client everywhere and saves > bandwith - usually filtering in the client is copy the message > to the destination folder and remove it after that from the old > one, this is not fast, no efficient and wasting bandwith and last > but not least makes all the troubles with the thunderbird indexes > especially if different clients are connected at the same time basic filtering is, may be, more effective on server in some cases. all/every client may not have need or use of all email that is handled on server. ie, bookkeeping/accounting would not have need for emails that go to an engineering dept. and many more examples, too many to mention them and would be a waste of bandwidth. ;) which is all where there are advantages of using thunderbird > maybe you should consider reading wikipedia and references how > IMAP works because your questions are showing you missed it some of it, yes. a lot has changed in last 30 years. when i find time i do plan to read up on what has happened in that time to imap. but it will not be at wikipedia. i enjoy reading rfc's. i do thank you for your replies. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 14:38 +, g wrote: > On 01/18/2013 09:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > Am 18.01.2013 22:05, schrieb g: > >> how does folder moving tie in between server and client? > > > > switch to another folder and back if IDLE push > > does not refresh enough for you > > "IDLE push"? > > > >> which tree structure is reflected to the other? > > > > uhm? > > > > the whole structure is on the server as also the mails > > there is no "the other" at all > > in other words, email client reflects what is on server and email > client user does not have to build structure in client? By default no. The client can of course have its own folder structure, but the two are entirely independent. Many clients also allow caching of server folders locally (usually on a per-folder basis). > emails are on server because it is the server. but as i recall, they > are downloaded to client and deleted from server if so configured. I don't know of any client that does that. You may be thinking of POP, which is entirely different. The whole point of IMAP is to keep the master copy on the server where it's accessible from anywhere, and use local copies only as a cache. > years ago, when i was using imap, i filtered on my client, not on > server. That's because standardized server-side filtering never really got going and isn't well-supported by any widely-used client. However in this case we're specifically talking about Gmail, not about some random IMAP server. Although the Gmail implementation of IMAP is slightly quirky, the server-side filtering is effective. The only thing is you have to set it up via the web interface. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f18: GUI for video converter
On 01/20/2013 12:58 PM, Dario Lesca wrote: > For audio exist soundconverter, there is something like this for video? Perhaps you're looking for something like Transmageddon [1]? [1] http://www.linuxrising.org/ The package is in Fedora, and a simple "yum install transmageddon" as root should do the trick. :) Hope that helps. -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) Who am I? :: http://thecodergeek.com/about-me signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 -> F18 Laptop Problems
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Dave Cross wrote: I've been trying to upgrade my laptop from Fedora 17 to Fedora 18 and it hasn't been going well. First I tried to use FedUp. FedUp downloaded all of the files it required. I rebooted and selected the upgrade option. I got the progress meter, but after only about thirty seconds the system rebooted and I was left with the same grub options as before the upgrade. No option to boot into Fedora 18 and no option to retry the upgrade. I booted into Fedora 17 and tried again with very similar results. However I've since noticed that something has changed as when I now run a "yum update" it tries to update over 2,000 RPMs to the Fedora 18 versions. This seems to go into an infinite loop of dependency resolution - so I killed it. I then decided that I'd download an installation DVD and try to upgrade from that. I burnt a DVD and the media test completed successfully, but I'm only offered the option to install Fedora, not to upgrade my existing installation. That's not such a problem. I have my /home directory on a separate partition, so what I've done before is to reinstall from scratch and reuse the /home partition (so I keep all of my data). But the new Anaconda partitioning UI is confusing me and I can't work out how to tell it to reuse the /home partition but reformat all the other Linux partitions and use them for the new installation. So currently I'm booted back into my Fedora 17 installation (that thinks it might be Fedora 18) pondering what my next move would be. I suppose I could just backup all of my data and trash the existing installation. But I'd be disappointed if I can't work out a way to reuse the /home partition. Can anyone suggest a way forward for me? This sounds like a case of not having enough space on your /boot partition. I had a similar set of issues going from (?) F15 to F16 (or F16 to F17) on my laptop. At the time I had only a 100-200MB /boot partition (if anyting something smaller than what the upgrade could handle). Even with wiping out all of the backup kernels and leaving the most current one, there was still not enough space for the upgrade. Consequently, I made sure I did a full backup of my data (/home partition and my Postgresql databases - pg_dumpall > somefile, along with a listing of all of the installed RPM packages), and then did a fresh install, increasing the /boot partition to something like 1GB. Once at that size, then the installation went very smoothly. Thanks, Dave... Max PYziur p...@brama.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:44:21 -0800, Michael Eager wrote: > I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying > to install and switch to KDE. > > If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a message saying to > run "yum groupinstall "KDE (K Desktop Environment)". > Yum says that Group KDE does not exist. Right. > Other than re-installing from the F18-Live-KDE CD, how > can I switch desktops? $ yum grouplist|grep KDE KDE Plasma Workspaces $ yum grouplist hidden|grep KDE KDE Plasma Workspaces Critical Path (KDE) KDE Applications KDE Educational applications KDE Multimedia support KDE Office KDE Plasma Workspaces KDE Software Development KDE Telepathy -- Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow) - Linux 3.7.2-204.fc18.x86_64 loadavg: 0.00 0.03 0.11 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Setting video monitor resolution on F18 X Windows Gnome
On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 15:31 +, Aaron Gray wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to work out how to set the height and width to use the > 1280 by 800 full resolution of my laptop monitor. At the moment Gnome > is giving me 1024 by 768. > > I have tried a few things from forums but none of them worked. > > Hope someone can help me. > > Many thanks in advance, > > Aaron > Have you tried System Tools ->System Settings-> Displays if you are in Gnome -- === How do I type "for i in *.dvi do xdvi i done" in a GUI? (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces.) === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 -> F18 Laptop Problems
On 20 January 2013 20:12, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 01/20/2013 11:33 AM, Dave Cross wrote:
>>
>> So currently I'm booted back into my Fedora 17 installation (that
>> thinks it might be Fedora 18) pondering what my next move would be. I
>> suppose I could just backup all of my data and trash the existing
>> installation. But I'd be disappointed if I can't work out a way to
>> reuse the /home partition.
>
>
> Have you tried using package-cleanup? When I migrated my desktop from F14
> to F16 it hung and for about a week I was only able to get into text mode.
> There were a large number of dupes, and I ended up cleaning them up
> manually, a few at a time because package-cleanup seemed to choke on such a
> large number of issues. (Of course, it might just have taken longer than I
> realized to work.) Depending on how much time you have, it might be worth
> trying.
package-cleanup doesn't show many obvious issues. Although this
worried me a bit:
$ package-cleanup --problems
Loaded plugins: local, presto, refresh-packagekit
Package xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.17-1.fc18.x86_64 has missing requires
of libudev.so.1()(64bit)
Package xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.17-1.fc18.x86_64 has missing requires
of libudev.so.1(LIBUDEV_183)(64bit)
Package xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.17-1.fc18.x86_64 has missing requires
of xserver-abi(videodrv-13) >= ('0', '0', None)
Which led me to this:
$ rpm -qa | grep fc18
nss-tools-3.14.1-3.fc18.x86_64
java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.9-2.3.4.fc18.x86_64
nss-sysinit-3.14.1-3.fc18.x86_64
nss-3.14.1-3.fc18.x86_64
xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.17-1.fc18.x86_64
grubby-8.22-1.fc18.x86_64
So it looks like the aborted FedUp upgrade managed to install six RPMs
before bombing out.
Cheers,
Dave...
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Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
Patrick O'Callaghan writes: On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 14:38 +, g wrote: > On 01/18/2013 09:15 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >> which tree structure is reflected to the other? > > > > uhm? > > > > the whole structure is on the server as also the mails > > there is no "the other" at all > > in other words, email client reflects what is on server and email > client user does not have to build structure in client? By default no. The client can of course have its own folder structure, but the two are entirely independent. Many clients also allow caching of server folders locally (usually on a per-folder basis). IMAP is schizophrenic. On one hand, it's general design seems to be oriented towards letting clients cache server mail content. But on the other hand, IMAP does several things that make reliable caching of mail content pretty much impossible. This is why, in general, IMAP clients over the years have been crap. IMAP IDLE has been mentioned here. IDLE is a piggy-back extension. It's not part of the base protocol. Clients cannot assume the server supports it. Therefore, IMAP clients have to support the case of IDLE not being available, and there are servers that do not implement it. Here's the problem. Not just with IMAP, but with any other kind of a client/server protocol with optional bits that are glued on as an afterthought. It takes a certain amount of effort to implement anything. Therefore, faced with the option of implementing and supporting just the base minimum, versus the base minimum and some optional bits, and then having the overhead of supporting multiple ways of accomplishing the same task, in perpetuity, you can pretty much draw your own conclusion as to how this is going to play out in the long run. > emails are on server because it is the server. but as i recall, they > are downloaded to client and deleted from server if so configured. I don't know of any client that does that. You may be thinking of POP, which is entirely different. The whole point of IMAP is to keep the master copy on the server where it's accessible from anywhere, and use local copies only as a cache. Unfortutunately, as I mentioned, IMAP makes it pretty much impossible to implement this reliably, and efficiently. IDLE lets the client synchronize itself with the server only while it is connected to it. But, IDLE has nothing that lets the client synchronize itself with the server after it goes offline, then get reconnected later. After connecting and opening a folder, an IMAP client has no efficient means of synchronizing its cache of the folder's content with what's on the server right now. The IMAP client has no means of determining a precise list of changes to the mailbox on the server since the IMAP client was logged on last time. There are several kinds of changes that the IMAP client /can/ quickly square away, but the protocol does not support actual syncing. It's not possible. IMAP is not designed for it. I could get into the history of IMAP, how it came out, and the political reasons for that, but having my two remaining wisdom teeth pulled out would probably be a more pleasant experience. > years ago, when i was using imap, i filtered on my client, not on > server. That's because standardized server-side filtering never really got going and isn't well-supported by any widely-used client. And, it's highly unlikely that it ever will. pgp5RGTSMOoSi.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 -> F18 Laptop Problems
On 20 January 2013 20:55, Max Pyziur wrote: [ snip ] > This sounds like a case of not having enough space on your /boot partition. > I had a similar set of issues going from (?) F15 to F16 (or F16 to F17) on > my laptop. At the time I had only a 100-200MB /boot partition (if anyting > something smaller than what the upgrade could handle). Even with wiping out > all of the backup kernels and leaving the most current one, there was still > not enough space for the upgrade. I don't think I have a problem with the /boot partition size. $ df -h /boot/ Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 485M 109M 352M 24% /boot But in my description made you think that was the problem? Dave... -- Dave Cross :: d...@dave.org.uk http://dave.org.uk/ @davorg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 -> F18 Laptop Problems
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Dave Cross wrote: On 20 January 2013 20:55, Max Pyziur wrote: [ snip ] This sounds like a case of not having enough space on your /boot partition. I had a similar set of issues going from (?) F15 to F16 (or F16 to F17) on my laptop. At the time I had only a 100-200MB /boot partition (if anyting something smaller than what the upgrade could handle). Even with wiping out all of the backup kernels and leaving the most current one, there was still not enough space for the upgrade. I don't think I have a problem with the /boot partition size. $ df -h /boot/ Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 485M 109M 352M 24% /boot But in my description made you think that was the problem? Your description of the issue reminds of me of my experience. I tried to both do a network-based upgrade (whatever preceded fedup), and and upgrade from a DVD. I think that you not only need space for the new kernel, but also for the legacy one, in the event the upgrade fails. So, given the space you have shown could be the key limiting factor. Dave... MP p...@brama.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
Am 20.01.2013 22:08, schrieb Sam Varshavchik: >> > years ago, when i was using imap, i filtered on my client, not on >> > server. >> >> That's because standardized server-side filtering never really got going >> and isn't well-supported by any widely-used client. > > And, it's highly unlikely that it ever will says the developer of courier-imap ignoring that most people these days are using dovecot or gmail and even niche-systems like dbmail supports sieve since years >> Sam Varshavchik — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:15:03 + (UTC) > > Sieve is both a client-side and a server-side filtering mechanism. > Courier-IMAP does not implement sieve on the server side, and there are no > plans to do so. There should not be any issues using an IMAP client that > implements Sieve with Courier, that would be no different than using the > same IMAP client with any other IMAP server. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 -> F18 Laptop Problems
Dave Cross writes: $ rpm -qa | grep fc18 nss-tools-3.14.1-3.fc18.x86_64 java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.9-2.3.4.fc18.x86_64 nss-sysinit-3.14.1-3.fc18.x86_64 nss-3.14.1-3.fc18.x86_64 xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.17-1.fc18.x86_64 grubby-8.22-1.fc18.x86_64 So it looks like the aborted FedUp upgrade managed to install six RPMs before bombing out. If that's all, I'm wondering why is your 'yum update' looking to F18's repo? fedora-release isn't one of these six. pgp3H_dmPzr3H.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F17 -> F18 Laptop Problems
Am 20.01.2013 22:37, schrieb Sam Varshavchik: > Dave Cross writes: > >> $ rpm -qa | grep fc18 >> nss-tools-3.14.1-3.fc18.x86_64 >> java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.9-2.3.4.fc18.x86_64 >> nss-sysinit-3.14.1-3.fc18.x86_64 >> nss-3.14.1-3.fc18.x86_64 >> xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.20.17-1.fc18.x86_64 >> grubby-8.22-1.fc18.x86_64 >> >> So it looks like the aborted FedUp upgrade managed to install six RPMs >> before bombing out. > > If that's all, I'm wondering why is your 'yum update' looking to F18's repo? > fedora-release isn't one of these six. because even if you start "yum calean all; yum --releasever=18 whatever" your yum setup points to the F18 repos unless "rm -rf /var/cache/yum/*" it has cached the f18-urls and metadata and has no reasons to drop them until manually intervention signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
Reindl Harald writes: Am 20.01.2013 22:08, schrieb Sam Varshavchik: >> > years ago, when i was using imap, i filtered on my client, not on >> > server. >> >> That's because standardized server-side filtering never really got going >> and isn't well-supported by any widely-used client. > > And, it's highly unlikely that it ever will says the developer of courier-imap ignoring that most people these days are using dovecot or gmail and even niche-systems like dbmail supports sieve since years Which standalone email clients can be used to adjust gmail's server-side filters? Forget even that – which standalone, relatively common, email clients can even support server-side sieve filters? Or, even have a clue what sieve is? I'm fully willing to consider the possibility that there are a plethora of sieve-supporting email clients out there that I just don't know about it. But, for some reason, I don't think that to be the case. There are some email clients that might support sieve, I suppose. But I'd be shocked if, in the entire pool of email clients, they're more than statistical noise. pgpNphgBgOdn2.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
Am 20.01.2013 22:48, schrieb Sam Varshavchik: >> > And, it's highly unlikely that it ever will >> >> says the developer of courier-imap ignoring that most people >> these days are using dovecot or gmail and even niche-systems >> like dbmail supports sieve since years > > Which standalone email clients can be used to adjust gmail's server-side > filters? does not matter, gmail is mostly used via http and that said even if i never use http crap > Forget even that – which standalone, relatively common, email clients can > even support server-side sieve filters? > Or, even have a clue what sieve is? > > I'm fully willing to consider the possibility that there are a plethora of > sieve-supporting email clients out there > that I just don't know about it. > > But, for some reason, I don't think that to be the case. There are some email > clients that might support sieve, I > suppose. But I'd be shocked if, in the entire pool of email clients, they're > more than statistical noise. https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/sieve/ used since many years here http://sieve.info/clients the problem is that there are too many servers to supporting sieve so why should someone add it as default for the clients and you are one of the server-side developers not interested signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Folders under INBOX (re: g)
Reindl Harald writes: > I'm fully willing to consider the possibility that there are a plethora of sieve-supporting email clients out there > that I just don't know about it. > > But, for some reason, I don't think that to be the case. There are some email clients that might support sieve, I > suppose. But I'd be shocked if, in the entire pool of email clients, they're more than statistical noise. https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/sieve/ used since many years here http://sieve.info/clients Sure there's a Thunderbird extension, but how many people know or care about it? Right now, Thunderbird shows that this extension has been downloaded only 37182 times. It's not clear to me whether that's the lifetime of the extension, or just for the latest version. Even if it's only the latest version, which was posted three months ago, you have to admit, this is insignificant. And, Thunderbird is the most visible client listed on Sieve's page. the problem is that there are too many servers to supporting sieve so why should someone add it as default for the clients and you are one of the server-side developers not interested I'm not sure I follow your logic. According to the description of the Thunderbird extension, the extension is not a client-side implementation, but it manages Sieve on the server side. If that were the case, and Sieve's mind-share on the server side was, indeed, as much as you suggest, I would've thought that Sieve's server- side's popularity would translate to a much higher download rate. As far as Courier-IMAP goes, I don't recall anyone offering a patch, and me capriciously rejecting it. I certainly don't have any particular interest in working on Sieve myself, at this time. But that doesn't mean that, at some point in the future, that won't change, or that I'll ignore someone's well- written Sieve code. The authpipe module in courier-authlib was written by someone else. I did not have, and have no interest right now, in anything like that, but so what. pgpCuuajuMH42.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
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Re: Acer V5-171 and Fedora 18
Allegedly, on or about 20 January 2013, Artifex Maximus sent: > This laptop has Windows 8 preinstalled and I am not able to install > Fedora 18 with Secure Boot enabled or disabled. Similar problem with > other distribution. Looks like stuck at GRUB loader. Your last sentence sounds more like won't boot, than won't install. You should say what method you're trying to install (CD, DVD, USB). And have you tried any live discs (they run from the disc, rather than install to the drive)? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.6.11-1.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 17 22:16:35 UTC 2012 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Updating from Fedora 17 to Fedora 8 using FedUp and grub2
I have Fedora 17 installed, using grub2, and have grub2 installed in the /boot partition and not in the MBR. I have a multi-boot manager ( Acronis OSS ) in the MBR. Everything is working fine. As I understand it I must use FedUp in fedora 17 to upgrade to Fedora 18 since the install DVD can no longer upgrade. If I use FedUp will it work in my setup, ie. the software will know to update its boot code in the /boot partition and not in the MBR ? Do I have to re-install the Fedora 18 grub2 in the /boot partition or does FedUp do it for me ? Are there any other upgrade issues for my setup ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
Tim: >> Hiding it is an idiocy promulgated by dimwits who have no idea what >> they're talking about. Tom Horsley: > Actually hiding it is a small mercy which can benefit your > neighbors, otherwise when they try to connect something > to their router, they see a dozen SSIDs all named "LINKSYS" :-). It's a *false* *belief* that hiding it does you any good. Your router still announces itself, it just doesn't show up with a name on the list. Some clients won't put you on the list, others will list you as "unnamed". So, you're still at the mercy of the twits who'd hack you. And good luck when two, or more, foolish neighbours think it's a good idea to be unnamed hidden SSIDs, and none of you can pick the right ones. You're still at the mercy of the neighbour running their WLAN on the same channel, and jamming you (accidentally, or on purpose). The sensible thing to do is to set it to something unique. And probably to something dull, if you're still obsessed about people wanting to connect who shouldn't (but that's what encryption is for). Turn the damn thing on, give it a unique name. That's how it's supposed to be done. If *you* break networking, expect your networking to not work. And there's no such thing as security by obscurity. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.6.11-1.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 17 22:16:35 UTC 2012 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Setting video monitor resolution on F18 X Windows Gnome
On 20 January 2013 21:02, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 15:31 +, Aaron Gray wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to work out how to set the height and width to use the > > 1280 by 800 full resolution of my laptop monitor. At the moment Gnome > > is giving me 1024 by 768. > > > > I have tried a few things from forums but none of them worked. > > > > Hope someone can help me. > > > > Many thanks in advance, > > > > Aaron > > > > Have you tried System Tools ->System Settings-> Displays > Yeah, I have played with the /etc/X11 conf files from a quick hack "guide" in a forum too, but obviously need to get a proper understanding of them. Aaron -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updating from Fedora 17 to Fedora 8 using FedUp and grub2
Am 21.01.2013 00:51, schrieb Edward Diener: > I have Fedora 17 installed, using grub2, and have grub2 installed in the > /boot partition and not in the MBR. I have > a multi-boot manager ( Acronis OSS ) in the MBR. Everything is working fine. > > As I understand it I must use FedUp in fedora 17 to upgrade to Fedora 18 > since the install DVD can no longer > upgrade. If I use FedUp will it work in my setup, ie. the software will know > to update its boot code in the /boot > partition and not in the MBR ? Do I have to re-install the Fedora 18 grub2 in > the /boot partition or does FedUp do > it for me ? Are there any other upgrade issues for my setup? upgrades typically do NOT touch GRUB at all if you want to update GRUB you have to do this always at your own means: he update bring only the new packages and commands signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
Am 21.01.2013 01:07, schrieb Tim: > And there's no such thing as security by obscurity obscurity does not replace security obscurity is there to EXTEND security update your software to fix exploitable code but additionally make it hard to guess even what software and what versions you have running what is more likely to be attacked? someone who is crying out he is there and how is he exploitable or someone where you need active work to find out he exists - there is no and will never be a "this is security" - security is always a concept of many pieces in different layers why? because 100% security does not exist only "make it as hard as possible" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
fedora-upgrade from F17->F18 (mostly successful, but some issues)
Dear friends, I recently upgraded from F17 to F18. I chose not to use fedup but rather I used fedora-upgrade, which is basically a wraparound around yum upgrade (from the documentation). Everything went through reasonably smoothly except for the following messages: Font messages such as: Updating : gnu-free-mono-fonts-20120503-3.fc18.noarch 1322/3028 Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-khmeros-base.conf", line 29: Having multiple values in isn't supported and may not work as expected Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-khmeros-base.conf", line 41: Having multiple values in isn't supported and may not work as expected Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-khmeros-base.conf", line 53: Having multiple values in isn't supported and may not work as expected Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-nhn-nanum-gothic.conf", line 8: Having multiple values in isn't supported and may not work as expected and the only selinux-policy-targeted message: Updating : selinux-policy-targeted-3.11.1-67.fc18.noarch 1454/3028 libsepol.print_missing_requirements: matahari's global requirements were not met: bool init_systemd (No such file or directory). libsemanage.semanage_link_sandbox: Link packages failed (No such file or directory). /usr/sbin/semodule: Failed! Other than that, everything went through fine. Upon reboot, I did not see the F18 grub splash screen, but the F17 one. I did not get the SLiM display manager but text. startx gets me to the desktop (LXDE). Other errors: 1. pcmanfm does not automount disks, indeed, I get the following errors when I start it up: (pcmanfm:605): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: remote volume monitor with dbus name org.gtk.Private.UDisks2VolumeMonitor is not supported (pcmanfm:605): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: :1:6: Expected a valid selector (pcmanfm:605): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: :7:7: Expected a valid selector error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property error: Invalid MS property section calling convert '/home/maitra/.thumbnails/normal/79594e24b205982ddb040918b50b267d.png.DWF3QW' +matte -thumbnail 128x128 png:'/home/maitra/.thumbnails/normal/79594e24b205982ddb040918b50b267d.png' error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer 2. batti gives me no response and the following error: ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.80:/org/freedesktop/UPower: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) Neither UPower nor DeviceKit.Power could be initialized! This can have multiple reasons. Here is the error for UPower: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.80 was not provided by any .service files And this is the error for DeviceKit.Power: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.DeviceKit.Power was not provided by any .service files 3. sudo yum *whatever* always has the following: Unable to send message to PackageKit I am however able to install and update (and erase packages), most functions, but does take forever to get started now. Any suggestions, fixes? Many thanks and best wishes, Ranjan -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
Lots of routers don't broadcast and whoever is installing it may not control that. It's broken, just as not showing which disk is which is broken. Its a new installer, crap happens, but pretending its not a bug isn't remotely useful. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updating from Fedora 17 to Fedora 8 using FedUp and grub2
You can also upgrade using yum... which right now appears the only tested way to do it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
On 01/18/2013 01:26 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: David A. De Graaf wrote: Fedora 18. What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on us? Whoever decided to reinvent disk partitioning and embed it in this installer should be taken out to the woodshed and whupped. Has everyone forgotten the dictum that each program should do one thing and do it well? Reinventing disk partitioning here is a total disaster. It isn't nearly as good as fdisk, gparted and a host of other perfectly usable programs. After reading this, and the first reply to it, I will cease trying to install fc18 on my laptop. "New for the sake of being different" is a way of life in Fedora, and I find that the need to have the latest is the only objective being given value, while no thought is being given to preserving the value of experience gained by current users. I suspect that most users of any new release are already users of some previous release, why change to some new way of doing things which is (a) less functional, (b) offers benefit only or mostly to new installations, and (c) appears to lack even a hint of convenience to those who have been installing Fedora (and before that Redhat) for decades. I have been unable to use my existing partitions as I wish. The chorus sings "Amen!!" I have a pretty simple laptop configuration: /dev/sda1/boot.5 GB /dev/sda2Windows 3.7 GB /dev/sda3extended /dev/sda5 / 20. GB encrypted /dev/sda6 /f16 20. GB encrypted /dev/sda7 /home 109. GB encrypted /dev/sda8 swap1.5 GBencrypted Note that /boot is not encrypted but all the other Linux partitions are. There are two root partitions that I use in a ping-pong fashion to hold the latest and prior Fedora systems. The boot menu allows either kernel to be booted, which used to be easy with grub, but has become nightmarishly difficult with grub2. Either kernel uses the same /home and swap. My setup exactly. Installing F18, I intended to switch /dev/sda6 to /, and save /dev/sda5 as /f17. But the installer wouldn't allow it. I will repeat here the setup and selection process to document the failures. At this point, I'll stop saying "Me, too" and just say that this is the unfriendliest and least intuitive partitioning setup I have ever used, thinking that putting a GUI on an ill-designed process makes it somehow easy to use is a perfect example of "lipstick on a pig" thinking. When I entered the Storage/Installation Destination (with no disks selected) I selected the sole disk available for installation, an ATA WDC WD1600BEVE-1, and a big blue area became highlighted. I checked the box saying "Encrypt my data, I'll set a passphrase later.". Then clicked on "Full disk summary and options...". This showed a box listing the one and only disk, and informed me that of the 152.62 GB capacity, only 1.89 MB was free space. That was correct; the disk was fully partitioned and previously allocated to appropriate uses. I clicked on "Set as Boot Device" just to be sure... then Close. There was nothing left to click on except Continue, so I Continued. A warning presented: I needed 3.36 GB to install Fedora but there's only 276 MB free. But there's 152.62 GB Space in selected disks reclaimable by deleting (!) partitions. Well thats nice, but I don't want to delete any partitions. My existing partitions are fine; I just want to reuse one of them! So now what? There are three checkable boxes: Cancel & add more disks (Not likely; it's a laptop) Modify software selection (I haven't even selected any yet) Reclaim space (Not appealing, but its all that's left) But I'll check the box: "I don't need help; let me customize disk partitioning.". That sounds like exactly what I want. I'm asked to enter a passphrase for my encrypted disks. (I'd better type this carefully, to match what's already in use.) I'm now presented with a list of existing filesystems that I can remove to free up space. However, they are not identified either by partition name (/dev/sda1) or current role (/boot). I have two identically sized root partitions, /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6. One contains the old F16 that I want to discard; the other F17 that I want to keep. Should I guess? 50:50 chance? Right? I have to guess. I highlight one and mark it for deletion. Then click "Reclaim space". (BTW, I have no way to know exactly when this deletion will occur. I'm repeating this exercise to record this disastrous experience, intending to stop just before committing the changes. I'll be really pissed if I lose my mostly completed new F18 installation.) Surprise! I'm popped back to the main menu. The "Installation Destination" item has no warning icon, so the installer seems perfectly happy with the 20 GB space I've just freed up. But it has ne
Drivers and devise manager
Don't know how to instal drivers for sony vgn-fw290 and wold like to know if thers a device manager codyr...@gmail.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedup: it's full of stars
On 01/18/2013 01:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/18/2013 05:03 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2013-01-18 at 02:57 -0800, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >I hate them too, but we probably aren't the intended audience. Which raises the question of what the hell is the thought process behind that? Are they creating a distro to suit the people actually using it, or for people who aren't using it? All I know is that there are regular complaints on fedoraforum.org from people who lost their pretty little animations during boot and want them back NOW. Not all of those complaints are about a simple animation, sometimes it becomes a matter of not wanting to risk losing some important settings and configuration files too...!! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedup: it's full of stars
On 01/20/2013 05:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Not all of those complaints are about a simple animation, sometimes it becomes a matter of not wanting to risk losing some important settings and configuration files too...!! That's always possible, of course. Most of the time, the posters are complaining that they don't understand the boot messages and they don't want to see them; all they want is the animation back. That's not to fault them; most computer users neither understand those messages nor need to. All they want is a computer That Just Works and if they don't see the animation, they're (understandably) worried that somethings wrong. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedup: it's full of stars
Am 21.01.2013 02:26, schrieb Joe Zeff: > That's always possible, of course. Most of the time, the posters are > complaining that they don't understand the > boot messages and they don't want to see them; all they want is the animation > back. That's not to fault them; most > computer users neither understand those messages nor need to. and they will never understand anything if all is hidden i also started years ago with linux and never minded at this time that i would some times work as devleoper and sysadmin i was interested and i loved to see what my system is doing if someone don't give a damn what his computer does he could aslo use closed source signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updating from Fedora 17 to Fedora 18 using FedUp and grub2
On 1/20/2013 6:51 PM, Edward Diener wrote: I have Fedora 17 installed, using grub2, and have grub2 installed in the /boot partition and not in the MBR. I have a multi-boot manager ( Acronis OSS ) in the MBR. Everything is working fine. As I understand it I must use FedUp in fedora 17 to upgrade to Fedora 18 since the install DVD can no longer upgrade. If I use FedUp will it work in my setup, ie. the software will know to update its boot code in the /boot partition and not in the MBR ? Do I have to re-install the Fedora 18 grub2 in the /boot partition or does FedUp do it for me ? Are there any other upgrade issues for my setup ? The title should be: Updating from Fedora 17 to Fedora 18 using FedUp and grub2 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updating from Fedora 17 to Fedora 18 using FedUp and grub2
On 1/20/2013 7:19 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 21.01.2013 00:51, schrieb Edward Diener: I have Fedora 17 installed, using grub2, and have grub2 installed in the /boot partition and not in the MBR. I have a multi-boot manager ( Acronis OSS ) in the MBR. Everything is working fine. As I understand it I must use FedUp in fedora 17 to upgrade to Fedora 18 since the install DVD can no longer upgrade. If I use FedUp will it work in my setup, ie. the software will know to update its boot code in the /boot partition and not in the MBR ? Do I have to re-install the Fedora 18 grub2 in the /boot partition or does FedUp do it for me ? Are there any other upgrade issues for my setup? upgrades typically do NOT touch GRUB at all if you want to update GRUB you have to do this always at your own I don't want to update grub2. I just want the update to work with whatever grub2 is being installed. means: he update bring only the new packages and commands So if a new grub2 is installed I need to re-initialize it ? I will follow the instructions at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2. Thanks for your help. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedup: it's full of stars
On 01/20/2013 08:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 21.01.2013 02:26, schrieb Joe Zeff: That's always possible, of course. Most of the time, the posters are complaining that they don't understand the boot messages and they don't want to see them; all they want is the animation back. That's not to fault them; most computer users neither understand those messages nor need to. and they will never understand anything if all is hidden i also started years ago with linux and never minded at this time that i would some times work as devleoper and sysadmin i was interested and i loved to see what my system is doing if someone don't give a damn what his computer does he could aslo use closed source I agree with that! Although I'm not 100% competent with reading and understanding the messages I get from boot or from a system problem, I would rather see them than to have my computer just "not work" mysteriously without telling me WHY! At least with an error message I can "start" to try to figure it out but going to the place that error message points me to! EGO II -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedup: it's full of stars
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64 > is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup > boot environment. Sounds to me like you've encountered https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=896010. I know Ian Weller and Wil Woods were investigating this one at FUDCon tonight. -Jared -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Where is the detailed docs on firewalld?
If we are expected to switch to firewalld we need to understand in detail how it works. So far I see a GUI and empty XML files with little information about how to do anything other than run firewall-cmd to add or delete specific rules. This really needs documentation so we can understand how it works and maybe compare situations with iptables that we are to migrate from so that we all do not have to figure this out from scratch. I'm not really complaining, just think we need more information so we can move forward and hopefully not make mistakes. Thanks for the help. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f18: how to disable suspend when lid is closed without user logged in
Dario Lesca wrote: > ... like old F14+Gnome2 does with a button "make default" ? I believe you can try to edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and set HandleLidSwitch=ignore -- trc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Drivers and devise manager
On 01/21/2013 09:14 AM, Cody Robinson wrote: > > Don't know how to instal drivers for sony vgn-fw290 and wold like to know if > thers a device manager > Is this the first time you've installed Fedora or any Linux distro on this hardware? Generally, no additional drivers would need to be acquired or installed. Suggest you run the LiveCD on the system to check functionality. -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Drivers and devise manager
Ill try that the problem is with my hdmi when I plug it in or unplug it. It freeze the system On Jan 20, 2013 10:20 PM, "Ed Greshko" wrote: > On 01/21/2013 09:14 AM, Cody Robinson wrote: > > > > Don't know how to instal drivers for sony vgn-fw290 and wold like to > know if thers a device manager > > > > Is this the first time you've installed Fedora or any Linux distro on this > hardware? Generally, no additional drivers would need to be acquired or > installed. > > Suggest you run the LiveCD on the system to check functionality. > > > -- > Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build > bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce > bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, > The Wizardry Compiled > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where is the detailed docs on firewalld?
On 01/20/2013 10:34 PM, David Highley wrote: > If we are expected to switch to firewalld we need to understand in > detail how it works. So far I see a GUI and empty XML files with little > information about how to do anything other than run firewall-cmd to add > or delete specific rules. > > This really needs documentation so we can understand how it works and > maybe compare situations with iptables that we are to migrate from so > that we all do not have to figure this out from scratch. I'm not really > complaining, just think we need more information so we can move forward > and hopefully not make mistakes. Thanks for the help. > I just looked at this a few minutes ago. The docs (such as they are) are in the fedoraproject Wiki. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD/ HTH -- G.Wolfe Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
David A. De Graaf wrote: The other good news, that almost compensates for the horrible installer, is that systemd has been partly fixed, so you no longer have to append ".service" to every command. What genius thought that up? "No longer have to have" or "no longer are allowed to have?" Do config change carried forward still work? Or is that solved by blowing away the old files? I'm sure Harald Reindl will point out that I am merely expressing joy that a regression that was imposed two editions ago has finally been fixed. Sigh... Sad when reverting an enhancement feels like an improvement. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installer inadequacies
Tim wrote: On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 14:50 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: Another idiocy in the F18 installer is that there is no way to configure wireless connectivity if the WAP does not broadcast its SSID. Clicking on the configure button does nothing unless you select an entry from the drop down list. You don't even get a message saying you need to select a wireless connection. Yeah, well, when you break networking by not broadcasting the SSID, what do you expect? Actually "missing capability formerly working in previous releases" is not quite the same thing as "breaking networking," and on a related note, broadcasting an SSID which does not contain printing characters in YOUR character set isn't "not broadcasting the SSID." Yes, I have slightly broadened the discussion, that was what some WAP I have used did when no SSID was provided. SSID is a normal, and expected, part of wireless networking. Hiding it is not a security solution, of any kind. There is no "a security solution," layered security includes many things, no one of which can be considered a solution. When this discussion came up the years ago I actually set up two retired unsecured 801.11b WAP (not connected to anything important), one called NODE41 and one using all blanks. They were next to a college dorm. NODE41 got over hiding SSID, though before canned scripts and strong encryption there may have been some benefit, just a data point. Hiding it is an idiocy promulgated by dimwits who have no idea what they're talking about. If my points are so weak that I have to resort to calling names, I avoid making them. That's why I actually checked to see if there was any difference. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
How to set up a hotspot with networkmanager in F18
Fedora 18 has a feature of realhotspot, but I am unable to find a way to set up a hotspot with kde-plasma-networkmanagement. My card supports AP mode, so I am not sure whether some packages are not installed. Is there any more infomation? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: lvm or btrfs? which is preferable (when, if applicable)
Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.01.2013 02:00, schrieb Ranjan Maitra: Thanks again for your quick response. OK, so you are suggesting I move to lvm, or leave things as is, to ext4? The new installer does not give me an option to format ext4 (but I can keep it as is, I guess). How does one convert from ext4 to lvm? Is there any benefit to moving to lvm? you should really read some basic documentations ext4 is a filesystem btrfs is a filesystem lvm is NOT a filesystem you have ext4, btrfs, whatever FS ON TOP of LVM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_volume_management for most private environments there is no real benefit of LVM spread LVM over more than one disk with no RAID under it is simply dumb becasue if ONE of the disks goes down you have a problem Your point about loss of data is well taken, but having data on any storage without RAID for error recovery is a risk, having data on just one machine is a risk. The admin has to balance cost and benefit, for both hardware and administrative learning curve considered as "cost." The benefit of LVM is being able to easily move data to other physical devices and expand the size of storage. LVM can do RAID by itself, although I have always created arrays with mdadm because I'm most familiar with doing it that way. Note that the user interface to LVM, bad as it is, is still much easier to master than adding drives to a RAID array and growing filesystems. In my opinion,the fewer commands you need to use the less likely you are to make a mistake. While there are unusual use cases in which btrfs is significantly faster than ext4, and btrfs provides some capabilities not in ext4, most users will see little benefit from it. The problems btrfs was created to address are not common. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Totem problems following FedUp upgrade
On 20 January 2013 18:19, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:03:06 +, Dave Cross wrote: > >> Yesterday my desktop PC was running Fedora 17 and I was able to watch >> all kinds of video files using totem. This morning I used FedUp to >> upgrade the PC to Fedora 18 and since then I haven't found a video >> file that totem can play successfully. I always get an error message >> that says: >> >> Videos requires[sic] additional plugins for this operation >> >> The following plugins are required: >> >> * MPEG Video decoder >> * MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder >> >> Do you want to search for these now? >> >> [Cancel] [Search] >> >> I've tried pressing the search button but it just says that it can't >> find the required plugins. >> >> It looks to me like I have fc18 versions of all of the relevant RPMs >> >> $ rpm -qa | grep -i gstreamer >> gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.13-5.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.31-5.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.23-2.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.36-3.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-rtsp-0.10.8-3.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer1-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.19-5.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-0.10.23-13.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer1-plugins-good-1.0.4-1.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-python-0.10.22-3.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-tools-0.10.36-2.fc18.x86_64 >> phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-2.fc18.x86_64 >> PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin-0.8.7-1.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-0.10.36-2.fc18.x86_64 >> gstreamer-plugins-bad-free-extras-0.10.23-13.fc18.x86_64 >> >> All of which leads me to two questions. >> >> 1/ How can I get back the ability to play videos? > > Have you tried adding missing gstreamer1 plug-in packages? > see: yum list gstreamer1\* Thanks for the advice. I hadn't noticed that there were gstreamer and gstreamer1 packages on my system. Installing the missing gstreamer1 packages didn't solve the problem. But from some googling I found the advice to reinstall gstreamer1-plugins-base and gstreamer1-plugins-good. And that seems to have done the trick. >> 2/ How did the FedUp upgrade manage to break this? > > Totem in F18 is based on GStreamer v1.0.x, while you've listed also packages > for GStreamer v0.10.x. Fedup cannot know if Totem needs additional plugins > from repos like RPMFusion. Ah. Yes, I see that now. I assume there's a good reason for the version number to be in the name of the packages rather than in the version number :-/ Cheers, Dave... -- Dave Cross :: d...@dave.org.uk http://dave.org.uk/ @davorg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora-upgrade from F17->F18 (mostly successful, but some issues)
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Dear friends, > > I recently upgraded from F17 to F18. I chose not to use fedup but > rather I used fedora-upgrade, which is basically a wraparound around > yum upgrade (from the documentation). Everything went through > reasonably smoothly except for the following messages: > > Font messages such as: > > Updating : gnu-free-mono-fonts-20120503-3.fc18.noarch > 1322/3028 Fontconfig warning: > "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-khmeros-base.conf", line 29: Having multiple > values in isn't supported and may not work as expected > Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-khmeros-base.conf", line > 41: Having multiple values in isn't supported and may not work > as expected Fontconfig warning: > "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-khmeros-base.conf", line 53: Having multiple > values in isn't supported and may not work as expected > Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-0-nhn-nanum-gothic.conf", > line 8: Having multiple values in isn't supported and may not > work as expected > > and the only selinux-policy-targeted message: > > Updating : selinux-policy-targeted-3.11.1-67.fc18.noarch > 1454/3028 libsepol.print_missing_requirements: matahari's global > requirements were not met: bool init_systemd (No such file or > directory). libsemanage.semanage_link_sandbox: Link packages failed (No > such file or directory). /usr/sbin/semodule: Failed! > > > > Other than that, everything went through fine. > > Upon reboot, I did not see the F18 grub splash screen, but the F17 one. > > I did not get the SLiM display manager but text. startx gets me to the > desktop (LXDE). > > Other errors: > > 1. pcmanfm does not automount disks, indeed, I get the following errors > when I start it up: > > (pcmanfm:605): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: remote volume > monitor with dbus name org.gtk.Private.UDisks2VolumeMonitor is not > supported > > (pcmanfm:605): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: :1:6: > Expected a valid selector > > (pcmanfm:605): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: :7:7: > Expected a valid selector error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail > property error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property > error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property > error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property > error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property > error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property > error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property > error: The metadata does not have a thumbnail property > error: Invalid MS property section > calling convert > '/home/maitra/.thumbnails/normal/79594e24b205982ddb040918b50b267d.png.DWF3QW' > +matte -thumbnail 128x128 > png:'/home/maitra/.thumbnails/normal/79594e24b205982ddb040918b50b267d.png' > error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer > error: No Zip trailer error: No Zip trailer > error: No Zip trailer > error: No Zip trailer > error: No Zip trailer > > > 2. batti gives me no response and the following error: > > > ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.80:/org/freedesktop/UPower: > dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: > Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) Neither UPower > nor DeviceKit.Power could be initialized! This can have multiple > reasons. Here is the error for UPower: > > org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.80 was not > provided by any .service files > > And this is the error for DeviceKit.Power: > > org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > org.freedesktop.DeviceKit.Power was not provided by any .service files > > > 3. sudo yum *whatever* always has the following: > > Unable to send message to PackageKit > > I am however able to install and update (and erase packages), most > functions, but does take forever to get started now. > > Any suggestions, fixes? > > Many thanks and best wishes, > Ranjan From what i can see F18 seems an utter disaster... i put F17 back on. james -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
