Re: Fedora vs RHEL
Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, Beartooth sent: RedHat, with clients who need massive support, doesn't want Jill's business. But (sez me) there are enough of her now to support a start-up entrepreneur who does; and in a few years there'll be enough more to support a thriving business, with that entrepreneur in the catbird seat. Am I making sense yet? Despite David's negativity, I see very little difference between what you've colourfully described, and what's happened with the evil OS. It isn't Microsoft that provides most of the technical support to a plethora of incompetent users. It's the son, student, or kid next door that provides the freebie help to families and no-budget organisations. It's the small computer shop that supplies the paid help to families. It's the larger IT organisations that provide paid help to companies. It's the in-house IT support that deal with in-house computing problems... So there really is no reason to believe that only Red Hat might provide paid technical support, nor that others won't get involved with the different levels of support that different levels of users need. And compared to some of the resources that people access to sort out their own Windows problems, this list is a much better resource. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.4-102.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Mar 24 13:09:09 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. My apologies for not including a virus with this message, but I don't use Windows. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, David sent: I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say that the Ubuntu list is full of useless information. Much of it flat out wrong. Careful. The usual tip off, they say, is Try this. It might work. And this is different to Windows, how? There's an awful lot of ham-fisted doddering about to *try* and make it do what it's supposed to do. All I meant was that befer you 'move someone to Linux', of any kind, you need to understand that Linux use is still, mostly, limited to 'us geeks' Again, how is this different from Windows? Sure, hopeless computer users can use any OS while it's working. But it still takes a geek to make Windows behave itself. The average computer user hasn't a chance. All of which means? IMHO. Linux is cool but not really ready, yet, for grandma. Nor is Windows. Nor do I think it will ever be. Because? When $hit goes bad, or just does not work, with Linux it actually takes someone that knows what they are doing to fix it. Or reinstall it so that it works again. IMHO? Grandma does not want to deal with that. My mother, grandma to my kids, would not want any part of that if she was still alive. And can she fix Windows? Does she know the need to defrag, can she do it? Can she repair the damage from a virus that her anti-virus software didn't detect until it was too late? Can she install new software? Can she sort out an install that didn't go right? Can she debug why the whole computer crashes and bluescreens while trying to do something basic with the grandson's birthday video in Windows Movie Maker? Or any of the plethora of other day-to-day Windows screw-ups? I'd be very surprised if the answer to any of that was yes for your grandma, or any others. I can't remember seeing any Windows home computer that wasn't a mess. Windows did not get where it is by being better, easier, more reliable, nor any other reason that would justify itself. It became the biggest OS infestation by devious business practices shoehorning it into personal computers. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.4-102.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Mar 24 13:09:09 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. My apologies for not including a virus with this message, but I don't use Windows. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, Joe Zeff sent: My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most of its numbers from webserver hit logs. Unless you can see access statistics from some very general purpose website (i.e. one that everyone might use, like Google), as opposed to the stats from specialist websites (web designers, Linux users), the results are going to be horribly skewed. Over the years, I've watched the stats from my website, which isn't really aimed at computer users, but I'd still never claim it to be representative of the internet users on the whole. I've seen MSIE fall off its perch, many years ago. It used to be about 85-90%, fell down to about 65%, with the majority of the rest being Firefox, and things evened out once we got a third player. So far, this month: Browser Hits Percentage Google Chrome8,134 26.3 MS Internet Explorer 6,950 22.5 Firefox 6,822 22.1 Safari 4,777 15.4 Mozilla 1,198 3.8 Android browser 1,086 3.5 Opera 806 2.6 Unknown670 2.1 LG (PDA/Phone browser) 92 0.2 IPhone 84 0.2 Others 239 0.7 Also, Windows is down considerably more than one might expect. So far, this month: OSHitsPercent Windows 19,555 63.3 Macintosh 6,060 19.6 Linux 3,454 11.1 Unknown1,403 4.5 Java Mobile 203 0.6 BlackBerry76 0.2 OS/2 30 0 Java 23 0 Symbian OS17 0 Unknown Unix 15 0 Others22 0 Every now and then there's some interesting things in the access logs, like a C64. I'm not sure if someone's being humerous, or whether it the actual device. I know it can do it, just whether anybody would actually bother... In both sets of stats, it's supposed to have weeded out robots and only acknowledged real users. Though who knows how successful it is at weeding out the faked headers. I think that it's safe to say, that for a long time Windows will be dominant, because it's foisted upon people. It's the true computer user, or the seriously disgruntled user, who's going to try Linux. And out of the disgruntled users, there will be those who'd rather pay for Mac, or can't figure out how to do anything different for themselves. My take from this is that Linux is in about the right spot, though it's not doing itself much good with some the current change in design trends. There's no point being a clone. To change OSs, I want and need an actual alternative. And unless you make an incredibly dumbed down system, there's no point in trying to pick up the absolute masses of clueless users. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.4-102.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Mar 24 13:09:09 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: configuring fetchmail while accessing internet from behind proxy server using IMAP with an exchange server
Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, Ranjan Maitra sent: I am not quite sure what information I can supply. My proxy server to access the internet is xxx.xxx.xx.x:8080. (Of course, this is what I have to do to use the browser.) I am able to tweak settings in yum.conf to yum. But am lost on how to extend this to fetch mail from an IMAP exchange server. Most of the stuff in the FAQ below seems to not be relevant. Of course, it does not help me that I do not know some of these technical details. That was the crucial information: using IMAP with an exchange server. I've added that to the subject line so it's more likely to attract the attention of someone with the answer. You should say what mail client you're using, too. Especially if you need specific configuration assistance. If you were using Thunderbird, it's available for various different computer platforms, and might be able to lie to technical support that you're using it on Windows, and just need manual configuration details. While I do use IMAP, I don't use exchange, never have, and don't have one to test things out against. So I'm not the best person to advise about it. But I'd hazard a guess that the server would need to support access through a proxy, as well. It may not be possible, though. It rather depends on what access protocols are supported for your mail service. I am sure that this is the case, but note that when I am not connecting to the network via a proxy server, I can do just fine. I am not sure what to do when we are connecting via a proxy server. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.4-102.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Mar 24 13:09:09 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. My apologies for not including a virus with this message, but I don't use Windows. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
Am 14.04.2013 13:29, schrieb Tim: Over the years, I've watched the stats from my website, which isn't really aimed at computer users, but I'd still never claim it to be representative of the internet users on the whole. I've seen MSIE fall off its perch, many years ago. It used to be about 85-90%, fell down to about 65%, with the majority of the rest being Firefox, and things evened out once we got a third player. So far, this month: Browser Hits Percentage Google Chrome8,134 26.3 MS Internet Explorer 6,950 22.5 Firefox 6,822 22.1 depends hardly from where your users are in austria / germany firefox has much more users and no, the numbers below are not from an IT site 43.88% Mozilla 29.17% Internet Explorer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 4/13/2013 9:30 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/13/2013 05:53 PM, David wrote: I really*do not know* exactly what the usage number means. But I do 'know' that - or think that putting 'grandma' over to Linux, IMHO, would not be a good idea. :-) *Shrug!* As long as she's not too far away for you to come over and assist her, why not? Would you rather have to deal with constant malware attacks and other Windows issues? Personally, I wouldn't, but it's your call. My mother, 'grandma', lives in central Florida. I live in Seattle. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 4/14/2013 7:06 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, David sent: I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say that the Ubuntu list is full of useless information. Much of it flat out wrong. Careful. The usual tip off, they say, is Try this. It might work. And this is different to Windows, how? There's an awful lot of ham-fisted doddering about to *try* and make it do what it's supposed to do. All I meant was that befer you 'move someone to Linux', of any kind, you need to understand that Linux use is still, mostly, limited to 'us geeks' Again, how is this different from Windows? Sure, hopeless computer users can use any OS while it's working. But it still takes a geek to make Windows behave itself. The average computer user hasn't a chance. All of which means? IMHO. Linux is cool but not really ready, yet, for grandma. Nor is Windows. Nor do I think it will ever be. Because? When $hit goes bad, or just does not work, with Linux it actually takes someone that knows what they are doing to fix it. Or reinstall it so that it works again. IMHO? Grandma does not want to deal with that. My mother, grandma to my kids, would not want any part of that if she was still alive. And can she fix Windows? Does she know the need to defrag, can she do it? Can she repair the damage from a virus that her anti-virus software didn't detect until it was too late? Can she install new software? Can she sort out an install that didn't go right? Can she debug why the whole computer crashes and bluescreens while trying to do something basic with the grandson's birthday video in Windows Movie Maker? Or any of the plethora of other day-to-day Windows screw-ups? Fix it? She has never broken it. I'd be very surprised if the answer to any of that was yes for your grandma, or any others. I can't remember seeing any Windows home computer that wasn't a mess. Windows did not get where it is by being better, easier, more reliable, nor any other reason that would justify itself. It became the biggest OS infestation by devious business practices shoehorning it into personal computers. Careful. Your paranoia is showing. :-) -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 4/14/2013 7:29 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 13 April 2013, Joe Zeff sent: My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most of its numbers from webserver hit logs. Unless you can see access statistics from some very general purpose website (i.e. one that everyone might use, like Google), as opposed to the stats from specialist websites (web designers, Linux users), the results are going to be horribly skewed. Over the years, I've watched the stats from my website, which isn't really aimed at computer users, but I'd still never claim it to be representative of the internet users on the whole. I've seen MSIE fall off its perch, many years ago. It used to be about 85-90%, fell down to about 65%, with the majority of the rest being Firefox, and things evened out once we got a third player. So far, this month: Browser Hits Percentage Google Chrome8,134 26.3 MS Internet Explorer 6,950 22.5 Firefox 6,822 22.1 Safari 4,777 15.4 Mozilla 1,198 3.8 Android browser 1,086 3.5 Opera 806 2.6 Unknown670 2.1 LG (PDA/Phone browser) 92 0.2 IPhone 84 0.2 Others 239 0.7 Also, Windows is down considerably more than one might expect. So far, this month: OSHitsPercent Windows 19,555 63.3 Macintosh 6,060 19.6 Linux 3,454 11.1 Unknown1,403 4.5 Java Mobile 203 0.6 BlackBerry76 0.2 OS/2 30 0 Java 23 0 Symbian OS17 0 Unknown Unix 15 0 Others22 0 Every now and then there's some interesting things in the access logs, like a C64. I'm not sure if someone's being humerous, or whether it the actual device. I know it can do it, just whether anybody would actually bother... In both sets of stats, it's supposed to have weeded out robots and only acknowledged real users. Though who knows how successful it is at weeding out the faked headers. I think that it's safe to say, that for a long time Windows will be dominant, because it's foisted upon people. It's the true computer user, or the seriously disgruntled user, who's going to try Linux. And out of the disgruntled users, there will be those who'd rather pay for Mac, or can't figure out how to do anything different for themselves. My take from this is that Linux is in about the right spot, though it's not doing itself much good with some the current change in design trends. There's no point being a clone. To change OSs, I want and need an actual alternative. And unless you make an incredibly dumbed down system, there's no point in trying to pick up the absolute masses of clueless users. Statistics such as these? OS Platform Statistics and Trends http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/14/2013 04:47 AM, David wrote: My mother, 'grandma', lives in central Florida. I live in Seattle. I do tech support for my older sister. We share a condo. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 4/14/2013 10:27 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/14/2013 04:47 AM, David wrote: My mother, 'grandma', lives in central Florida. I live in Seattle. I do tech support for my older sister. We share a condo. Well I guess that is close enough to be within walking distance. And definitely closer than my 3,300, or so, miles. :-) -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
Tim: Unless you can see access statistics from some very general purpose website (i.e. one that everyone might use, like Google), as opposed to the stats from specialist websites (web designers, Linux users), the results are going to be horribly skewed. David: Statistics such as these? OS Platform Statistics and Trends http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp No, because they're a specialist site, and it's their own logs. Look at the disclaimer at the bottom of that page, quoted here: Statistics Can Be Misleading You cannot - as a web developer - rely ONLY on statistics. Statistics can be misleading. Note: W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use the browser that comes preinstalled with their computer, and do not seek out other browser alternatives. Tip: Global averages may not be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old computers. Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over many years, clearly shows the long term trends. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.4-102.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Mar 24 13:09:09 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. My apologies for not including a virus with this message, but I don't use Windows. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 4/14/2013 11:24 AM, Tim wrote: Tim: Unless you can see access statistics from some very general purpose website (i.e. one that everyone might use, like Google), as opposed to the stats from specialist websites (web designers, Linux users), the results are going to be horribly skewed. David: Statistics such as these? OS Platform Statistics and Trends http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp No, because they're a specialist site, and it's their own logs. Look at the disclaimer at the bottom of that page, quoted here: Statistics Can Be Misleading You cannot - as a web developer - rely ONLY on statistics. Statistics can be misleading. Note: W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use the browser that comes preinstalled with their computer, and do not seek out other browser alternatives. Tip: Global averages may not be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old computers. Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over many years, clearly shows the long term trends. Hmmm... I see. Thanks for the info. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: DSoD : Diagonal Screen of Death
Yep I get the same particularly with Firewalld and NetworkManager/Connections. Its only on one machine, all my others are fine. On 11 April 2013 21:54, Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net wrote: On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 22:59:36 +0930, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 08 April 2013, Beartooth sent: On Fedora 17 and 18 I sometimes get a display like nothing else I know. It's made up of short horizontal lines, some in color, arranged into long diagonals that cover the screen, with about the angle of a backslash. The little lines in each group are parallel, and there's always a little space between every group and the next. Sounds like a graphics crash, whether that be a hardware problem, or a driver fault. The suggestions about cooling have merit, and it *might* be easy enough to aim a fan at your card to see if it helps. If your graphics card has its own fan, or cooling fins, it'd pay to check that they're in a good condition. [] I should have mentioned that this screen arises on at least three machines, running F17 fully updated, built for me by two different alpha technoids, years apart. I suppose it could still be a cooling problem, because I do much the same things on two of them; but my spouse uses the third very differently. (I have a couple more F17 machines, but use them less, and one currently has an (I think) unrelated problem.) -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/13/2013 05:07 PM, David wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp If you look at the latest numbers, March 2013, you will see that there are more than two times the number of users of Mac over Linux. and if you read where the get their numbers, you will see that list is for there 'school'. what every it is and for. I don't actually know anyone that uses a Mac. Do you? i do and there are quite a few. several have even installed linux as their second boot. And that the Linux 'number' is *all* of the different Linux distributions. so their school members do not use a lot of linux. which does not really prove anything. All of which means? IMHO. Linux is cool but not really ready, yet, for grandma. if my grandmas where still alive, they would be using linux. -- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc. hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/13/2013 05:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most of its numbers from webserver hit logs. web server hits is a more realistic view of what is in use. -- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc. hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/14/2013 06:29 AM, Tim wrote: Every now and then there's some interesting things in the access logs, like a C64. I'm not sure if someone's being humerous, or whether it the actual device. I know it can do it, just whether anybody would actually bother... i would venture to say that there are very few, if any, malware written for a c64. therefore, it would stand to be safest os for internet and email. :-) Though who knows how successful it is at weeding out the faked headers. and could be, if using a client that is capable of hiding behind c64 as user agent as firefox can do. ;-) -- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc. hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/14/2013 06:50 AM, David wrote: Fix it? She has never broken it. then she may have very little installed, other than basic install. It became the biggest OS infestation by devious business practices shoehorning it into personal computers. Careful. Your paranoia is showing. :-) that is not paranoia, it is a fact that cause a grand jury investigation. or, are you old enough to be aware of such? -- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc. hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/13/2013 04:32 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Pizza, chocolate-chip cookies or other snacks are often the unit of payment in this case. put plenty of anchovies on my pizza, please. -- in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc. hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS
I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I think for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to access them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be displayed due to not having the necessary permissions. A google search of the archives has not turned up anything so far. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. cheers, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS
On 04/15/13 05:33, Paul Erickson wrote: I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I think for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to access them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be displayed due to not having the necessary permissions. A google search of the archives has not turned up anything so far. Any suggestions? If you did a fresh install most likely your UID/GID has changed. Older versions started at 500/500 while the latest versions start at 1000/1000 when users are created. If you do an ls -l at the top of the mount point (directory) you'll see numbers where the username and goupname are normally displayed. Simply do, as root and from the mount point chown -R username:groupname -- From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS
On 04/14/2013 03:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 04/15/13 05:33, Paul Erickson wrote: I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I think for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to access them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be displayed due to not having the necessary permissions. A google search of the archives has not turned up anything so far. Any suggestions? If you did a fresh install most likely your UID/GID has changed. Older versions started at 500/500 while the latest versions start at 1000/1000 when users are created. If you do an ls -l at the top of the mount point (directory) you'll see numbers where the username and goupname are normally displayed. Simply do, as root and from the mount point chown -R username:groupname Thanks very much. Will try that. cheers, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/12/2013 12:14 PM, Tethys wrote: The annoying thing is, I'd*gladly* pay Red Hat for support, if they'd charge me a sensible amount. I'd install RHEL in a heartbeat to get support for it. But given the minimum Red Hat support charge is several thousand, it's simply out of my price range:-( It's actually $349 / year: https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/server/ Other than that, I agree with you. I offer IT systems management to a large number of small businesses, where Linux is used for very simple infrastructure. If there were a $10/month/server plan, I could probably get them to pay money Red Hat's way. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F 18 problem accessing external usb drives with XFS
Hi In case it will not solve the problem,can you please send the output of dmesg after you get the error you mentioned? Regards Rami Rosen On Apr 15, 2013 1:51 AM, Paul Erickson va...@telus.net wrote: On 04/14/2013 03:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 04/15/13 05:33, Paul Erickson wrote: I have a couple of external disks that I formatted in XFS using F11, I think for data backup. Now with a new F 18 installation, when I plug in the drive, the disk icons appear on the desktop, but when I try to access them, I get an error message stating that the contents cannot be displayed due to not having the necessary permissions. A google search of the archives has not turned up anything so far. Any suggestions? If you did a fresh install most likely your UID/GID has changed. Older versions started at 500/500 while the latest versions start at 1000/1000 when users are created. If you do an ls -l at the top of the mount point (directory) you'll see numbers where the username and goupname are normally displayed. Simply do, as root and from the mount point chown -R username:groupname Thanks very much. Will try that. cheers, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.**org/mailman/listinfo/usershttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/**Mailing_list_guidelineshttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
App. for Instagram in Fedora
Is there a replacement App for Instagram in Fedora. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F18 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite M860
Hi, I tried but failed to install F18 from Live CD F18 X64 on Toshiba Satellite M860, Processor Core i7, Ram 4G. It is a 64-bit machine and brand new with pre-installed Windows 8. I want to have dual-boot system. The message is the following: [ 0.939290] Couldn't get size: 0x800e [ 0.939460] EFI: Problem loading in-kernel X.509 certificate (-129) [ 0.939494] EFI: Problem loading in-kernel X.509 certificate (-129) Similar Live CD F18 is bootable on an old machine Toshiba U505, Core i3, RAM 2G without any problem. Could anyone please give some suggestion for solution or any related link? Thanks in advence. regards, AA Musharih -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite M860
On 04/15/13 07:49, Abu Attar Musharih wrote: Hi, I tried but failed to install F18 from Live CD F18 X64 on Toshiba Satellite M860, Processor Core i7, Ram 4G. It is a 64-bit machine and brand new with pre-installed Windows 8. I want to have dual-boot system. The message is the following: [ 0.939290] Couldn't get size: 0x800e [ 0.939460] EFI: Problem loading in-kernel X.509 certificate (-129) [ 0.939494] EFI: Problem loading in-kernel X.509 certificate (-129) Similar Live CD F18 is bootable on an old machine Toshiba U505, Core i3, RAM 2G without any problem. Could anyone please give some suggestion for solution or any related link? Thanks in advence. regards, Not very familiar with it since I've got older hardware But, can you try disabling EFI/UEFI booting in your BIOS? -- From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the computer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dell Inspiron 1100 and Intel 82845 video problems
Obligatory update: after installing the latest xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.21.5-1.fc17 which became available today, no change in my X11 display problems. Works for kernel-3.3.4-5, fails for kernel-3.8.4-102. With some small investigation, I installed kernel-3.6.11-1 (which I found on a stale mirror) and kernel-3.8.7-100 which I found in updates-testing. Works with 3.6.11 kernel, fails for 3.8.7 kernel. Where can I find the other kernels which were released for F17? updates only has the one latest kernel! So I can't install them with yum -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@verizon.net cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://www.linuxcounter.net/) On Apr 11, 2013, at 23:08, Kevin Cummings cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote: A week or so ago, I came into this Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop, and I boot it with the Fedora 17 Live CD. The system booted, but fell into Gnome 3 Fallback mode. At least the system runs, so I installed to Hard-Disk. when it rebooted, I started to have graphics problems. X either failed to start, or it presented me a completely black login screen (I'm not sure which). Through some finagling, I was able to login on a Console Terminal, and I got my WiFi dongle working (The ethernet cable had been also working). I was then able to run yum for all the updates. Great! Now I have 2 kernels installed: 3.3.4-5 from the live CD and 3.8.4-102 from updates. Now I *still* can't get a visible graphical login to display. After some more playing with the /boot/grub2/grub.cfg file, I was able to make the following changes: Changed the system font from TRUE to a real font name. Changed the gfxpayload=keep to 832x624. Now, when I boot either the 3.3.4 kernel, or the 3.3.4 recovery kernel, I have a graphical login screen (at 1024x768 resolution). But, If I try and boot any of the 3.8.4 kernel entries (with the same changes that work for the 3.3.4 boot), I can see a mouse cursor (sometimes in a subset of the full screen) that seems to work, but no other visible indication that X is running. Now, here's the kicker: If I position the mouse to where my userid would be listed near the middle of the login screen, click, then wait a couple of seconds, then type my password, My X11 session starts to appear. But, not everything displays perfectly. There are lot's of dropouts in the menu texts. For example, there is no visible text on the XFCE applications pulldown (it should say: Applications). In Thunderbird, the top menu bar says: F , Ed , V w, O_ etc The text in the title bar is OK, as is the text I type in this compose message window. But, the Task Manager buttons are also incomplete (one of them says T rm-r @kj3:~). xrandr lists both the LVDS and the VGA ports at 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480, and that is running in 1024x768 mode. Any ideas what's wrong? I'd prefer to be running the latest kernel over the older LiveCD kernel -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@verizon.net cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://www.linuxcounter.net/) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite M860
On 04/14/2013 08:05 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 04/15/13 07:49, Abu Attar Musharih wrote: Hi, I tried but failed to install F18 from Live CD F18 X64 on Toshiba Satellite M860, Processor Core i7, Ram 4G. It is a 64-bit machine and brand new with pre-installed Windows 8. I want to have dual-boot system. The message is the following: [ 0.939290] Couldn't get size: 0x800e [ 0.939460] EFI: Problem loading in-kernel X.509 certificate (-129) [ 0.939494] EFI: Problem loading in-kernel X.509 certificate (-129) Similar Live CD F18 is bootable on an old machine Toshiba U505, Core i3, RAM 2G without any problem. Could anyone please give some suggestion for solution or any related link? Thanks in advence. regards, Not very familiar with it since I've got older hardware But, can you try disabling EFI/UEFI booting in your BIOS? Q: If you disable UEFI, will the Windows 8 still boot? (Since it would have been installed to use UEFI.) --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. A.M. Greeley -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
SELinux fails to apply local policy module
Hi,
I use CrossOver (based on Wine) to run a Windows game. Everytime
CrossOver runs something, I get this avc denial.
SELinux is preventing wine-preloader from mmap_zero access on the
memprotect .
Raw Audit Messages from sealert:
type=AVC msg=audit(1365802456.473:13663): avc: denied { mmap_zero }
for pid=24734 comm=wine-preloader
scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:wine_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tcontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:wine_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tclass=memprotect
So I tried following the instructions to generate a local policy module:
# grep wine-preloader /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -M mypol
# semodule -i mypol.pp
But this fails like this:
libsepol.scope_copy_callback: passanger: Duplicate declaration in
module: type/attribute passenger_tmp_t (No such file or directory).
libsemanage.semanage_link_sandbox: Link packages failed (No such file
or directory). semodule: Failed!
So I have two questions,
1. is something missing in my system that the above fails?
2. is there a better way to resolve this other than generating a local
policy module?
Thanks in advance,
PS: I am almost clueless about SELinux, so please bear with me.
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Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/12/2013 05:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.04.2013 12:01, schrieb Mihamina Rakotomandimby: On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL? I would not directly compare those, as they are so much far in term of bundled versions. not entirely RHEL5 is based on Fedora Core 6 RHEL6 is based on F12/F13 My suggestion is to compare CentOS and RHEL what do you need to compare in this case? it is a 100% binary compatible clone built from the same source rpms No, it is not. It is a similar clone built from the same source RPMs but on a different build system with no real knowledge of how the RHEL RPMs are built. I've seen way too many weird little glitches between CentOS and RHEL to buy the it's 100% compatible line again, sorry. If you want RHEL, buy RHEL. If you want a clone, use a clone. But don't fool yourself into thinking they are exactly the same. They're not. Thomas -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/12/2013 05:09 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote: On 4/12/2013 3:01 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL? I would not directly compare those, as they are so much far in term of bundled versions. My suggestion is to compare CentOS and RHEL. My problem is that I am trying to sell my Boss on Fedora! He refuses to let us use CentOS or to pay for RHEL ( Yes cheapskate). But if I can show some comparison to RHEL I can sell him on Fedora. His data and apps must not be very important to him if he won't pony up $349 for a commercially supported OS. https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html It never ceases to amaze me that people will run their businesses - the thing that feeds their families and employees' families - on cobbled together systems with community-supported distros. My whole shop run home servers and we all use Fedora. We just need something from somewhere to convince him! Ask him what his business apps and data are worth to him. TC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/12/2013 02:14 PM, Tethys wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: If you install Fedora, what you get for support is, essentially, answers people are willing to give you for free here, in forums, in IRC, and so on. If you install CentOS or SL, I believe the answer is roughly the same. This does not necessarily make CentOS or SL bad options (leaving out Fedora for lifecycle reasons others have already made clear). You, and your boss, have to be willing to live with that definition of support. The annoying thing is, I'd *gladly* pay Red Hat for support, if they'd charge me a sensible amount. I'm not a multinational corporation. I'm a home user with a single server, but it's important to me. It's currently running CentOS and has a number of problems. I'd install RHEL in a heartbeat to get support for it. But given the minimum Red Hat support charge is several thousand, it's simply out of my price range :-( Horse feathers. You can get a personal, developer subscription for $99: https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/developers/rhel_developer_suite.html Alternatively, you can get a self-support subscription for commercial use for $349: https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html RHEL does not start at thousands of dollars, that's just false. Thomas -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: On 4/13/2013 6:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/13/2013 03:07 PM, David wrote: I actually know several (nine) 'old time Linux' users and some are ex Redhat employes as well as commercial (as in paid sys admins) that say that the Ubuntu list is full of useless information. Much of it flat out wrong. Careful. The usual tip off, they say, is Try this. It might work. Yes. I know. However, there's always a few grains of wheat mixed in with the chaff; the trick is to figure out which suggestions to follow. Generally, however, I've found that for somebody like me who knows something about Linux and just needs distro-specific advice, that's not too hard. Here you will see the latest usage numbers. OS Platform Statistics and Trends http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp Interesting, and roughly twice what the Linux Counter suggests: http://linuxcounter.net/guessing.html My guess is that your reference counts servers, because mine gets most of its numbers from webserver hit logs. I really *do not know* exactly what the usage number means. But I do 'know' that - or think that putting 'grandma' over to Linux, IMHO, would not be a good idea. :-) Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when they ran Windows. It's also a Hell of a lot easier to fix stuff on their Linux boxen than it ever was with Windows. TC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when they ran Windows. It's also a Hell of a lot easier to fix stuff on their Linux boxen than it ever was with Windows. Hmm... They could not handle Windows so you switched them over to Linux? Because you were not capable of fixing Windows when they broke it? It is where I am supposed to be impressed with them? And you? Should I genuflect? Or sacrifice a chicken or a lamb? -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite M860
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Not very familiar with it since I've got older hardware But, can you try disabling EFI/UEFI booting in your BIOS? The EFI/UEFI boot is the boot option under the menu of advanced. Unfortunately, there is no option for disabling it. It is there as a single option, so can not be changed. Is there any other option to try? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, AAM -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
Quoting David dgbo...@gmail.com: On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when they ran Windows. It's also a Hell of a lot easier to fix stuff on their Linux boxen than it ever was with Windows. That precisely reflects my experience. I have a good friend, an engineer, who used to use NT. I convinced him to use Linux instead and have had a steep decline in the difficulty of support. He still asks me for help once in a while but it's pretty much routine fixes. Other friends with Windows still give me toothaches with the incomprehensibility of their issues. Like fixing a motor on a car with the hood welded shut. Dave Hmm... They could not handle Windows so you switched them over to Linux? Because you were not capable of fixing Windows when they broke it? It is where I am supposed to be impressed with them? And you? Should I genuflect? Or sacrifice a chicken or a lamb? -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- The problem with being cynical is you can't keep up! -- anon. philosopher -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: App. for Instagram in Fedora
Why would you want something in Linux that doesn't keep your photos privately yours? You are, of course, aware that Facebook treats you and your information as a product to be sold, and doesn't give you a penny for your contribution? Same thing goes for your photos since Facebook acquired Instigram. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Is there a replacement App for Instagram in Fedora. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.**org/mailman/listinfo/usershttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/**Mailing_list_guidelineshttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 4/14/2013 11:23 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: Quoting David dgbo...@gmail.com: On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when they ran Windows. It's also a Hell of a lot easier to fix stuff on their Linux boxen than it ever was with Windows. That precisely reflects my experience. I have a good friend, an engineer, who used to use NT. I convinced him to use Linux instead and have had a steep decline in the difficulty of support. He still asks me for help once in a while but it's pretty much routine fixes. Other friends with Windows still give me toothaches with the incomprehensibility of their issues. Like fixing a motor on a car with the hood welded shut. Dave My sons are adults and they maintain their own computers and phones. My mother uses Win 7 and in 4+ years has never broken it one. She use Firefox, Thunderbird, Libreoffice, Skype, and some program that I can not remember the name of that makes really complicated sewing patterns and stuff. As well as several other programs. She watches videos. Plays music. Streaming TV and movies. I fix nothing. IMHO? Use what works. -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 04/15/2013 01:23 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: Quoting David dgbo...@gmail.com: On 4/14/2013 10:25 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 04/13/2013 07:53 PM, David wrote: Meh. My mom (nearly 70) and my daughters (6 and 10) all use Linux. My support level with them is orders of magnitude lower than it was when they ran Windows. It's also a Hell of a lot easier to fix stuff on their Linux boxen than it ever was with Windows. That precisely reflects my experience. I have a good friend, an engineer, who used to use NT. I convinced him to use Linux instead and have had a steep decline in the difficulty of support. He still asks me for help once in a while but it's pretty much routine fixes. Other friends with Windows still give me toothaches with the incomprehensibility of their issues. Like fixing a motor on a car with the hood welded shut. Dave Hmm... They could not handle Windows so you switched them over to Linux? Because you were not capable of fixing Windows when they broke it? It is where I am supposed to be impressed with them? And you? Should I genuflect? Or sacrifice a chicken or a lamb? -- David I almost responded but this has the hallmark of another he said, she said. The only thing of note is the successful moves to Linux and that is all that matters. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite M860
Abu Attar Musharih abuattar.musharih at gmail.com writes: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko at greshko.com wrote: Not very familiar with it since I've got older hardware But, can you try disabling EFI/UEFI booting in your BIOS? The EFI/UEFI boot is the boot option under the menu of advanced. Unfortunately, there is no option for disabling it. It is there as a single option, so can not be changed. Is there any other option to try? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, AAM Try Google with: Toshiba Satellite disable uefi Lots of links; just none for the M860. Might give you a hint as to how to turn off EFI/UEFI. Your best bet is to look for instructions for another system that's as close as you can find to your M860. Went through the same thing on my wife's HP laptop with Windows 8. Finally found it and it runs F18 just fine from an external hard disk so she can keep her Windows installation. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F18 fails to install on Toshiba Satellite M860
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:25 PM, David G. Miller d...@davenjudy.org wrote: Abu Attar Musharih abuattar.musharih at gmail.com writes: Try Google with: Toshiba Satellite disable uefi or enable CSM Compatibility Service Module -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora vs RHEL
On 4/14/2013 7:22 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: Alternatively, you can get a self-support subscription for commercial use for $349: Give $349 to RedHat just for talking to myself(self- support):-); Using either centos or Oracle linux, one also gets self-support without a fee. -- It is man’s way through the use of all arts to show how we behave to each other, to show our strengths and reveal our weaknesses, and in the final analysis-to affirm the dignity of mankind.” Dr. Isabelle Buckley - The Buckley School -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
