Re: "hackers"

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/23/2013 07:42 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

Does anyone care to help me change the negative connotation that the
outside world has of this term, one step at a time?


Sorry, but it's a tad late to lock up the barn when the horse is already 
been rendered down into glue.

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Re: "hackers"

[Richard Vickery]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 22:54:07 -0400,
>   Digimer  wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been interviewed a couple of times by CBC and other media. Each time
>> I explain what "hackers" means, and it doesn't really go anywhere. The way
>> I see it, we just need more positive "hacker" and maker stories than there
>> are bad ones. In the mean time, don't let it get to you. Just go do good
>> stuff.
>>
>
> You know the term wasn't all that positive in its earlier use. Using hacks
> instead of doing things right isn't a good thing. (Though it might be good
> in some cases to trade off time and effort now against future costs.)
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Perhaps next time someone gets an interview with the media we could call
them idiots, just as bad as Fox; they don't allow our side of the story.

Many phenomenal discoveries have come from the likes of a "hack"!
Discoveries like the Higgs boson came about in such a way, found (not
necessarily the Higgs) by mistake while we were looking for something else.
Hacks were also helpful in discovering holes, or breeches in other's
software.
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Re: X displays test

[Richard Vickery]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:

> On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 14:12 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote:
> > I want to know if I am late for the test. Moments ago, I read Mr. A.
> > Williamson's email about the Intel test today, and started upgrading to
> > Alpha over the last hour; I feel that it may to late. Am I correct in
> this
> > or are the tests allowable to the 25th?
>
> I suspect you're looking for the Fedora Test list, not this one.
>
> poc
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Thanks for the tip. I reread the email which said the test was all week
long, and I needn't have worried so much, after which reading I felt REALLY
stupid.
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Re: "hackers"

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 22:54:07 -0400,
  Digimer  wrote:


I've been interviewed a couple of times by CBC and other media. Each 
time I explain what "hackers" means, and it doesn't really go 
anywhere. The way I see it, we just need more positive "hacker" and 
maker stories than there are bad ones. In the mean time, don't let it 
get to you. Just go do good stuff.


You know the term wasn't all that positive in its earlier use. Using hacks 
instead of doing things right isn't a good thing. (Though it might be 
good in some cases to trade off time and effort now against future 
costs.)

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Re: "hackers"

[Richard Vickery]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Digimer  wrote:

> On 04/23/2013 10:42 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
>> Does anyone care to help me change the negative connotation that the
>> outside world has of this term, one step at a time? The CBC just used
>> the term with a negative frame on the Tuesday, 23 April 2013 30-minute
>> radio news at about the half-way point. Everyone ought to go to this
>> link and suggest that they should quit abusing the term.
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/w6/contact/
>>
>> to listen to her abuse of the term, go to the link with "contact"
>> removed / deleted - before Wednesday, 25 April at UTC 01:00 (PDT 18:00,
>> in case I did the math wrong).
>>
>> Of course, the media are infamous for abusing scientific terms, such as
>> calling the Higgs boson the god particle - a term scientists loathe - so
>> I out not lose too much sleep over it.
>>
>> regards,
>> Richard
>>
>
> I've been interviewed a couple of times by CBC and other media. Each time
> I explain what "hackers" means, and it doesn't really go anywhere. The way
> I see it, we just need more positive "hacker" and maker stories than there
> are bad ones. In the mean time, don't let it get to you. Just go do good
> stuff.
>
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> access to education?
>

Arg! The "good stuff" never makes news; it's not sensational enough.
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Re: recoll and mime-text

[poma]

On 23.04.2013 19:37, j...@dockes.org wrote:

> Ok, very good then. Dave told me that making Sylpheed his default mailer
> also got things to work for him.
> 
> So all is well and I finally seem to be the only one having difficulties 
> getting Recoll to use an external program to open email. Which is great :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> jf
> 

The cobbler always wears the worst shoes.
Don't worry, you'll be fine. :)


poma


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Re: Fw: Email clients have gone crazy

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 17:38 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sat, 2013-04-20 at 20:27 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> >> A number of ISP mail services have had issues lately, Verizon "for
> >> security" changed to clear text for login and password exchange. Read
> >> that sentence again, yes they did. They also are threatening to
> >> disable POP3 and require use of POP3s (SSL secured), but I don't think
> >> that has happened yet, I still get spam in my VZmail on my cell.
> >
> > Control of spam and control of email privacy/authentication are two
> > different things. Using SSL won't in itself do anything to prevent spam.
> >
> If the old access were not working it would totally prevent spam, since I 
> haven't converted the cell at this point, and would not get logged in. That's 
> how I know they haven't actually done anything yet.

You not being able to log in does absolutely nothing to prevent spam. It
might prevent you seeing it, but it won't prevent it from piling up in
your account.

poc

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Re: X displays test

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 14:12 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote:
> I want to know if I am late for the test. Moments ago, I read Mr. A.
> Williamson's email about the Intel test today, and started upgrading to
> Alpha over the last hour; I feel that it may to late. Am I correct in this
> or are the tests allowable to the 25th?

I suspect you're looking for the Fedora Test list, not this one.

poc

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Re: disk spindown

[poma]

On 20.04.2013 03:34, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> 
> Has anyone succeeded in spinning down disks under Fedora?
> 
> I've done the following and the "hdparm -C" does show the disk spun
> down, but the next time I look it is spun up, and it stays up.  The disk
> is unmounted and I've stopped and disabled smartd, so it isn't accessing
> the disks.  I don't think anything else is either.  I'm probably missing
> a trick somewhere, but what???
> 
> disk=/dev/sdc
> 
> hdparm -S 120 $disk
> hdparm -y $disk
> hdparm -C $disk
> 

yum info sdparm
…
: Warning: It is possible (but unlikely) to change SCSI disk settings
: such that the disk stops operating or is slowed down. Use with care.

i.e.
/usr/bin/diskungfu:
#!/bin/sh
# Disk stop - spin down

grep -w sdc /proc/diskstats >dstat.1st
sleep 60
grep -w sdc /proc/diskstats >dstat.2nd
if cmp dstat.1st dstat.2nd >/dev/null 2>&1
then
echo Stopping disk, spinning down…
sdparm -f -r -q -v -C stop /dev/sdc
exit 0
else
echo Disk busy.
exit 1
fi
EOF

Change the parameters as needed,
set-up a cron job,
and there you go. ;)


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Re: "hackers"

[Digimer]

On 04/23/2013 10:42 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

Does anyone care to help me change the negative connotation that the
outside world has of this term, one step at a time? The CBC just used
the term with a negative frame on the Tuesday, 23 April 2013 30-minute
radio news at about the half-way point. Everyone ought to go to this
link and suggest that they should quit abusing the term.

http://www.cbc.ca/w6/contact/

to listen to her abuse of the term, go to the link with "contact"
removed / deleted - before Wednesday, 25 April at UTC 01:00 (PDT 18:00,
in case I did the math wrong).

Of course, the media are infamous for abusing scientific terms, such as
calling the Higgs boson the god particle - a term scientists loathe - so
I out not lose too much sleep over it.

regards,
Richard


I've been interviewed a couple of times by CBC and other media. Each 
time I explain what "hackers" means, and it doesn't really go anywhere. 
The way I see it, we just need more positive "hacker" and maker stories 
than there are bad ones. In the mean time, don't let it get to you. Just 
go do good stuff.


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"hackers"

[Richard Vickery]

Does anyone care to help me change the negative connotation that the
outside world has of this term, one step at a time? The CBC just used the
term with a negative frame on the Tuesday, 23 April 2013 30-minute radio
news at about the half-way point. Everyone ought to go to this link and
suggest that they should quit abusing the term.

http://www.cbc.ca/w6/contact/

to listen to her abuse of the term, go to the link with "contact" removed /
deleted - before Wednesday, 25 April at UTC 01:00 (PDT 18:00, in case I did
the math wrong).

Of course, the media are infamous for abusing scientific terms, such as
calling the Higgs boson the god particle - a term scientists loathe - so I
out not lose too much sleep over it.

regards,
Richard
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Re: 'Unknown filesystem type: exfat'

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:40 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth
 wrote:
> You can install the "exfat-fuse" package from RPMFusion-free in order
> to mount exFAT disks in Fedora, and fsck/mkfs/etc. are in the
> "exfat-utils" package also in RPMFusion.

Thanks TC!

yum install 
ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/18/i386/fuse-exfat-1.0.1-1.fc18.i686.rpm

seems to have done the trick.

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Re: 'Unknown filesystem type: exfat'

[T.C. Hollingsworth]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> F18 here. I thought Linux included support for Microsoft's exFat?
>
> I get "'Unknown filesystem type: exfat' when plugging a Sandisk U3 8GB
> Pen Drive formattted on WinXP with Exfat...

exFAT may be subject to patents [1] and thus cannot be in Fedora proper.

You can install the "exfat-fuse" package from RPMFusion-free in order
to mount exFAT disks in Fedora, and fsck/mkfs/etc. are in the
"exfat-utils" package also in RPMFusion.

-T.C.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT#Disadvantages
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'Unknown filesystem type: exfat'

[Fernando Cassia]

F18 here. I thought Linux included support for Microsoft's exFat?

I get "'Unknown filesystem type: exfat' when plugging a Sandisk U3 8GB
Pen Drive formattted on WinXP with Exfat...

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Re: I must be missing something basic

[Doug]

On 04/23/2013 07:05 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:

I want to transfer a dvd image from my laptop (ubuntu 12.04.2) to my fedora 18 
box that has selinux disabled. Wired connection to my router allows F18 to 
browse to U12 and see the file and right click copy, but trying to paste into a 
folder in my /home/dave directory gives a terse 'permission denied.'

Ideas? will Read TFM if pointed.

D


As root, set the permissions on the F18 directory to read/write and then 
run the transfer command as root. (It might work without setting perms
on the /dave directory, just run the copy command (in cli) as root. I 
don't know if you have a super-user GUI file manager, like konqueror, but

that would be easier to use if you don't like cli.)
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Re: I must be missing something basic

[David Beveridge]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Rick Stevens  wrote:
> On 04/23/2013 04:05 PM, Dave Stevens issued this missive:
>> Ideas? will Read TFM if pointed.
> A DVD image is WAY too big to be cut and pasted (which is what I think
> is what the operation is trying to do).
>

Why?  works for me.  It doesn't copy the entire DVD image to the clipboard.
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Re: I must be missing something basic

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/23/2013 04:34 PM, Rick Stevens issued this missive:

(Sorry about the double post, gang. Mail server hiccupped).
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Re: I must be missing something basic

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/23/2013 04:05 PM, Dave Stevens issued this missive:

I want to transfer a dvd image from my laptop (ubuntu 12.04.2) to my fedora 18 
box that has selinux disabled. Wired connection to my router allows F18 to 
browse to U12 and see the file and right click copy, but trying to paste into a 
folder in my /home/dave directory gives a terse 'permission denied.'

Ideas? will Read TFM if pointed.


A DVD image is WAY too big to be cut and pasted (which is what I think
is what the operation is trying to do).

You need to copy the file from the laptop to the Fedora machine using
something like scp or rsync or FTP. Drag and drop won't work across two
machines unless it's tied to some copy protocol.
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Re: I must be missing something basic

[Rick Stevens]

On 04/23/2013 04:05 PM, Dave Stevens issued this missive:

I want to transfer a dvd image from my laptop (ubuntu 12.04.2) to my fedora 18 
box that has selinux disabled. Wired connection to my router allows F18 to 
browse to U12 and see the file and right click copy, but trying to paste into a 
folder in my /home/dave directory gives a terse 'permission denied.'

Ideas? will Read TFM if pointed.


A DVD image is WAY too big to be cut and pasted (which is what I think
is what the operation is trying to do).

You need to copy the file from the laptop to the Fedora machine using
something like scp or rsync or FTP. Drag and drop won't work across two
machines unless it's tied to some copy protocol.
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Re: I must be missing something basic

[Steven Stern]

On 04/23/2013 06:05 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> I want to transfer a dvd image from my laptop (ubuntu 12.04.2) to my fedora 
> 18 box that has selinux disabled. Wired connection to my router allows F18 to 
> browse to U12 and see the file and right click copy, but trying to paste into 
> a folder in my /home/dave directory gives a terse 'permission denied.'
> 
> Ideas? will Read TFM if pointed.
> 
> D
> 
> 
Short term work around -- can you scp from your laptop to the desktop?
If ssh is working, you should be able to scp.

Longer term -- how are you sharing files from your laptop?

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I must be missing something basic

[Dave Stevens]

I want to transfer a dvd image from my laptop (ubuntu 12.04.2) to my fedora 18 
box that has selinux disabled. Wired connection to my router allows F18 to 
browse to U12 and see the file and right click copy, but trying to paste into a 
folder in my /home/dave directory gives a terse 'permission denied.'

Ideas? will Read TFM if pointed.

D


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Re: Using time zone UTC-5 (or GMT-5, or EST5)

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On 04/23/2013 03:31 PM, Bill Davidsen issued this missive:

I am getting some data on mountable media, and the device which writes
the files runs in EST or whatever you want to call five hours west of
Greenwich with no daylight time. The problem is that on a FAT or
ISO-9660 filesystem, the date and time seem to all jump an hour during
daylight time. Is there a better way to get the time correct than to run
a separate system which doesn't use daylight savings?

I have tried exporting TZ=EST5 (or EST or UTC-5 or GMT-5) to the mount
command or the rsync command, that doesn't seem to help anything, I need
the incoming data treated as EST, while the machine is at EST5EDT.


Hopefully you have the "System clock uses UTC" set on your Linux system.
If so, then all internal timestamps use UTC. They are converted to local
time when displayed (via "ls" or whatever). Winblows boxes don't do
that...they use the local time as the timestamp mechanism, so there's
the rub (also the cause of many issues with dual-booting machines).

You can either set your Linux box to not use UTC as the system clock
(I don't like that) or just deal with the idiocy that is Windows. It's
your system and your call.
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Re: Using time zone UTC-5 (or GMT-5, or EST5)

[staticsafe]

On 4/23/2013 18:31, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> I am getting some data on mountable media, and the device which writes
> the files runs in EST or whatever you want to call five hours west of
> Greenwich with no daylight time. The problem is that on a FAT or
> ISO-9660 filesystem, the date and time seem to all jump an hour during
> daylight time. Is there a better way to get the time correct than to run
> a separate system which doesn't use daylight savings?
> 
> I have tried exporting TZ=EST5 (or EST or UTC-5 or GMT-5) to the mount
> command or the rsync command, that doesn't seem to help anything, I need
> the incoming data treated as EST, while the machine is at EST5EDT.
> 
Something I found on a quick google search:
http://sabg.tk/wiki/config:vfat
which leads to:
http://www.osnews.com/story/9681/

Perhaps helpful?
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Using time zone UTC-5 (or GMT-5, or EST5)

[Bill Davidsen]

I am getting some data on mountable media, and the device which writes the files 
runs in EST or whatever you want to call five hours west of Greenwich with no 
daylight time. The problem is that on a FAT or ISO-9660 filesystem, the date and 
time seem to all jump an hour during daylight time. Is there a better way to get 
the time correct than to run a separate system which doesn't use daylight savings?


I have tried exporting TZ=EST5 (or EST or UTC-5 or GMT-5) to the mount command 
or the rsync command, that doesn't seem to help anything, I need the incoming 
data treated as EST, while the machine is at EST5EDT.


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Re: "Sticky keyboard" fault?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

It's a massive usability fail, masquerading as an accessibility feature.
See:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816764

Rich.

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"Sticky keyboard" fault?

[Bill Davidsen]

I recently got a pop-up say "Sticky keyboard - disabled" and my keyboard stopped 
working. My first reaction was that the message was translated to English, and 
"stuck key" became "sticky keyboard." Can't think of a sensor for that.


In any case, keyboard was *WAY* disabled, plugging in a USB keyboard didn't 
help, ssh from another machine didn't help (keystrtokes not accepted), and I 
finally had to reboot the machine, after migrating all the guests elsewhere or 
shutting them down. Major PITA.


So is there (supposed to be) a way to clear that? And how does the driver tell a 
stuck key from a user holding a key, like a gamer holding down "F" to fire 
weapons, as I've seen them do. How is it detected, and please may I make it not 
do that? Recovery by boot is a Windows technology, they might have it patented.


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Re: disk spindown

[Bill Davidsen]

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:

Bill Davidsen  writes:

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:

I've done the following and the "hdparm -C" does show the disk spun
down, but the next time I look it is spun up, and it stays up.  The disk



One thing wrong might be jumpers, Other than that, I suspect something
is still accessing it. udev?


Thanks for the good ideas.

This is a WD Caviar Green and the jumpers are only documented to slow
down the SATA by one notch and add spread spectrum clocking for rf noise
reduction.

Wanted to be sure that people knew "-S 120" doesn't mean "spin down after two 
minutes."



I'll have to try to check for udev.  Maybe running lsof in a loop will
catch it.


Did you take out the rule for that? I'm not a guru, can't tell you which rule 
without looking it up, but I have found it, since my hot backup drive on a USB 
dongle goes down and stays that way. I bet someone will remind us which rule 
checks that before you can look. ;-)



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Re: Fw: Email clients have gone crazy

[Bill Davidsen]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2013-04-20 at 20:27 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:

A number of ISP mail services have had issues lately, Verizon "for
security" changed to clear text for login and password exchange. Read
that sentence again, yes they did. They also are threatening to
disable POP3 and require use of POP3s (SSL secured), but I don't think
that has happened yet, I still get spam in my VZmail on my cell.


Control of spam and control of email privacy/authentication are two
different things. Using SSL won't in itself do anything to prevent spam.

If the old access were not working it would totally prevent spam, since I 
haven't converted the cell at this point, and would not get logged in. That's 
how I know they haven't actually done anything yet.


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Re: Who? Me?? Attacked???

[Junk]

On 04/23/2013 07:30 PM, Beartooth wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:44:33 +0100, Junk wrote:

>> Try sealert -a /var/log/audit/audit.log
> 
> [root@Hbsk2 ~]# sealert -a /var/log/audit/audit.log
>  12% done[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'wine-preloader'
> 100% donefound 3 alerts in /var/log/audit/audit.log
> -
>   [snip]
> 
> 
> SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/arora from mmap_zero access on the 
> memprotect .
> 
> *  Plugin mmap_zero (53.1 confidence) suggests  
> **
> 
> If you do not think /usr/bin/arora should need to mmap low memory in the 
> kernel.
> Then you may be under attack by a hacker, this is a very dangerous access.
> Do
> contact your security administrator and report this issue.
> 
> *  Plugin catchall_boolean (42.6 confidence) suggests  
> ***
> 
> If you want to mmap_low_allowed
> Then you must tell SELinux about this by enabling the 'mmap_low_allowed' 
> boolean.You can read 'unconfined_selinux' man page for more details.
> Do
> setsebool -P mmap_low_allowed 1
> 
> *  Plugin catchall (5.76 confidence) suggests  
> ***
> 
> If you believe that arora should be allowed mmap_zero access on the  
> memprotect by default.
> Then you should report this as a bug.
> You can generate a local policy module to allow this access.
> Do
> allow this access for now by executing:
> # grep arora /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -M mypol
> # semodule -i mypol.pp
> 
> 
> Additional Information:
> Source Contextunconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-
> s0:c0.c1
>   023
> Target Contextunconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-
> s0:c0.c1
>   023
> Target Objects [ memprotect ]
> Sourcearora
> Source Path   /usr/bin/arora
> Port  
> Host  
> Source RPM Packages   arora-0.11.0-4.fc17.i686
> Target RPM Packages   
> Policy RPMselinux-policy-3.10.0-167.fc17.noarch
> Selinux Enabled   True
> Policy Type   targeted
> Enforcing ModeEnforcing
> Host Name Hbsk2.hsd1.va.comcast.net
> Platform  Linux Hbsk2.hsd1.va.comcast.net
>   3.8.4-102.fc17.i686.PAE #1 SMP Sun Mar 24 
> 13:15:17
>   UTC 2013 i686 i686
> Alert Count   1
> First Seen2013-04-21 16:01:52 EDT
> Last Seen 2013-04-21 16:01:52 EDT
> Local ID  fedad9e7-5ad4-49b0-a517-15a1e9efd7d4
> 
> Raw Audit Messages
> type=AVC msg=audit(1366574512.695:480): avc:  denied  { mmap_zero } for  
> pid=25852 comm="arora" scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-
> s0:c0.c1023 tcontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-
> s0:c0.c1023 tclass=memprotect
> 
> 
> type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1366574512.695:480): arch=i386 syscall=mmap2 
> success=no exit=EACCES a0=0 a1=7000 a2=3 a3=4022 items=0 ppid=1 pid=25852 
> auid=1000 uid=1000 gid=1000 euid=1000 suid=1000 fsuid=1000 egid=1000 
> sgid=1000 fsgid=1000 ses=2 tty=(none) comm=arora exe=/usr/bin/arora 
> subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null)
> 
> Hash: arora,unconfined_t,unconfined_t,memprotect,mmap_zero
> 
> audit2allow
> 
> #= unconfined_t ==
> # This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'mmap_low_allowed'
> 
> allow unconfined_t self:memprotect mmap_zero;
> 
> audit2allow -R
> 
> #= unconfined_t ==
> # This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'mmap_low_allowed'
> 
> allow unconfined_t self:memprotect mmap_zero;
> 
> 
> [root@Hbsk2 ~]# 
> 
> 
>> Or
>>
>> grep setroubleshoot /var/log/messages
>>
>> There will have been a full report in the graphical tool that initially
>> warned you but these should give the same result.
> 
>   They don't -- this one gets 
> 
> [root@Hbsk2 ~]# grep setroubleshoot /var/log/messages
> Apr 21 16:02:00 Hbsk2 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/arora 
> from mmap_zero access on the memprotect . For complete SELinux messages. 
> run sealert -l 6805396b-b8d1-4368-9356-aef00cbb2e43
> Apr 22 14:57:12 Hbsk2 setroubleshoot: Plugin Exception wine
> Apr 22 14:57:12 Hbsk2 setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing wine-preloader 
> from mmap_zero access on the memprotect . For complete SELinux messages. 
> run sealert -l 78752ead-8351-4d64-a04d-a2f500d942cd
> [root@Hbsk2 ~]# 
> 
>


Excellent work. Looks good. The audit.log reports are the long form of
the messages in /var/log/messages  If you copied and pasted ""sealert -l
6805396b-b8d1-4368-9356-

(Over)loading Browsers (was Re: Who? Me?? Attacked???)

[Beartooth]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:35:52 +0930, Tim wrote:

> Not in particular response to your actual problem, but...
> 
> Allegedly, on or about 23 April 2013, Beartooth sent:
[]
>> My guess is that Arora had well over a hundred, but well under two
>> hundred, tabs open when it crashed.
> 
> I really don't know how anybody does that, with any browser.  On any
> computer that I've ever used, including other people's, the thing grinds
> to a sludgey halt when anything more than about twenty tabs are open,
> often far less.  Especially with any pages that aren't just plain text.
> Scripts, Flash, even just lots of pictures, are the kiss of death.  And,
> no, my computer isn't paging out to swap.

Well, I can tell you how it comes about, if you're asking that. 
Then maybe we can find out if any browser(s) tolerate it better than any 
other(s).

Wikipedia is my usual downfall, because I try to treat it much as 
I would a physical encyclopedia, especially a big single-volume one -- in 
which case, having begun one article, I'd turn to related articles, 
insert scraps of paper, and go back.

Say I start to read about aspirin. It's a short article, but as 
usual, there are several links. One or two will be short enough to click 
to, read, and return, without losing context. Others will turn out to be 
pretty long; go back, click this time to open in another tab, and resume 
reading about aspirin. Then still other links will refer to things I've 
long wanted to read about; again, open a background tab. And so on -- 
recursively.

And if this sounds bad, be assured that when I had a carrel in 
the stacks of a big library (as I did for twenty years) it was an order 
of magnitude more onerous.

The thing of it is, though, that it's so insidious. The row of 
tabs grows gradually, and the slowing down is also gradual, and it gets 
to be a little like quicksand. However, any time I'm not otherwise 
preoccupied, I can always read my way through a long and known to be 
interesting sites, closing tabs behind me. But don't do it with any 
browser that doesn't keep a current list of your tabs!

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X displays test

[Richard Vickery]

I want to know if I am late for the test. Moments ago, I read Mr. A.
Williamson's email about the Intel test today, and started upgrading to
Alpha over the last hour; I feel that it may to late. Am I correct in this
or are the tests allowable to the 25th?

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Re: Who? Me?? Attacked???

[Tim]

Not in particular response to your actual problem, but...

Allegedly, on or about 23 April 2013, Beartooth sent:
> I can't imagine anything I have being of interest to an intruder.

These days, it seems that miscreants have little interest in what's on
your computer, but are interested in using your computer for their
nefarious purposes.

> My guess is that Arora had well over a hundred, but well under 
> two hundred, tabs open when it crashed.

I really don't know how anybody does that, with any browser.  On any
computer that I've ever used, including other people's, the thing grinds
to a sludgey halt when anything more than about twenty tabs are open,
often far less.  Especially with any pages that aren't just plain text.
Scripts, Flash, even just lots of pictures, are the kiss of death.  And,
no, my computer isn't paging out to swap.

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trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
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Re: Eric4 segmentation fault

[Rex Dieter]

Martin Airs wrote:

> Good day all,
> 
> I wonder if anyone else uses eric on here, and if someone has a
> fix/workaround to get this running?
> 
> [martin@desktop ~]$ eric4
> Segmentation fault

confirmed with eric-4.4.19-4.fc18

Can you test this (fixes it for me):
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/eric-4.5.10-1.fc18
?

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Re: Eric4 segmentation fault

[Martin Airs]

On Tuesday 23 Apr 2013 19:56:41 Susi Lehtola wrote:
> 
> File a bug against eric.

Actually the latest version of Eric4 does work, I hadn't realised that the 
version in the fedora repos was so far behind.
The package maintainer has obviously given up.

the version in the repo is 4.4.19, yet the latest version from the Eric site 
is 4.5.10

downloading and installing the latest fixes the problem

Martin

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Re: Who? Me?? Attacked???

[Beartooth]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:44:33 +0100, Junk wrote:

> On 23 Apr 2013, at 17:10, Beartooth  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:40:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>[]
>>> The only thing worse than a poorly asked question is a cryptic answer.
>> 
>>OK, first off, I'm the OP.
>> 
>>I suppose I should be flattered at being addressed as if I were
>> an Alpha Plus Technoid; but I'm not one. I'm just an old twice-retired
>> bookworm, running Fedora because there's more and better help online
>> for it than for anything else I've tried (most of the well-known
>> distros), and because I began back in '98 with RedHat. I can't imagine
>> anything I have being of interest to an intruder.
>> 
>> 
> Your right. They probably aren't interested in what you have. They might
> be interested in taking over your machine as part of a botnet though. A
> large amount of attacks are now automated against wide ranges of devices

Well, yes, I suppose some bad guy wanting only lots of machines, 
any machines, might like mine, too.

>>All the replies in this thread so far have been way over my head.
>> The one thing I gather some of you want is the error message from SEL,
>> verbatim. I don't have it; I presume it's in some log somewhere, but I
>> have no idea how to find that log.
>> 
>> 
> Try sealert -a /var/log/audit/audit.log

[root@Hbsk2 ~]# sealert -a /var/log/audit/audit.log
 12% done[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'wine-preloader'
100% donefound 3 alerts in /var/log/audit/audit.log
-
[snip]


SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/arora from mmap_zero access on the 
memprotect .

*  Plugin mmap_zero (53.1 confidence) suggests  
**

If you do not think /usr/bin/arora should need to mmap low memory in the 
kernel.
Then you may be under attack by a hacker, this is a very dangerous access.
Do
contact your security administrator and report this issue.

*  Plugin catchall_boolean (42.6 confidence) suggests  
***

If you want to mmap_low_allowed
Then you must tell SELinux about this by enabling the 'mmap_low_allowed' 
boolean.You can read 'unconfined_selinux' man page for more details.
Do
setsebool -P mmap_low_allowed 1

*  Plugin catchall (5.76 confidence) suggests  
***

If you believe that arora should be allowed mmap_zero access on the  
memprotect by default.
Then you should report this as a bug.
You can generate a local policy module to allow this access.
Do
allow this access for now by executing:
# grep arora /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -M mypol
# semodule -i mypol.pp


Additional Information:
Source Contextunconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-
s0:c0.c1
  023
Target Contextunconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-
s0:c0.c1
  023
Target Objects [ memprotect ]
Sourcearora
Source Path   /usr/bin/arora
Port  
Host  
Source RPM Packages   arora-0.11.0-4.fc17.i686
Target RPM Packages   
Policy RPMselinux-policy-3.10.0-167.fc17.noarch
Selinux Enabled   True
Policy Type   targeted
Enforcing ModeEnforcing
Host Name Hbsk2.hsd1.va.comcast.net
Platform  Linux Hbsk2.hsd1.va.comcast.net
  3.8.4-102.fc17.i686.PAE #1 SMP Sun Mar 24 
13:15:17
  UTC 2013 i686 i686
Alert Count   1
First Seen2013-04-21 16:01:52 EDT
Last Seen 2013-04-21 16:01:52 EDT
Local ID  fedad9e7-5ad4-49b0-a517-15a1e9efd7d4

Raw Audit Messages
type=AVC msg=audit(1366574512.695:480): avc:  denied  { mmap_zero } for  
pid=25852 comm="arora" scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-
s0:c0.c1023 tcontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-
s0:c0.c1023 tclass=memprotect


type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1366574512.695:480): arch=i386 syscall=mmap2 
success=no exit=EACCES a0=0 a1=7000 a2=3 a3=4022 items=0 ppid=1 pid=25852 
auid=1000 uid=1000 gid=1000 euid=1000 suid=1000 fsuid=1000 egid=1000 
sgid=1000 fsgid=1000 ses=2 tty=(none) comm=arora exe=/usr/bin/arora 
subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null)

Hash: arora,unconfined_t,unconfined_t,memprotect,mmap_zero

audit2allow

#= unconfined_t ==
# This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'mmap_low_allowed'

allow unconfined_t self:memprotect mmap_zero;

audit2allow -R

#= unconfined_t ==
# This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'mmap_low_allowed'

allow unconfined_t self:memprotect mmap_zero;


[root@Hbsk2 ~]# 

-

Re: recoll and mime-text

[jf]

poma writes:
 > 
 > Yup, if the 'Tbird' isn't already started, a temporary "*.eml" gets created:
 > /usr/lib64/thunderbird/thunderbird /tmp/foobar.eml
 > 
 > *But* it doesn't matter which messages storing format is used. :)
 > *Both* supported storing *formats* do *work* like a charm.

Ok, very good then. Dave told me that making Sylpheed his default mailer
also got things to work for him.

So all is well and I finally seem to be the only one having difficulties 
getting Recoll to use an external program to open email. Which is great :)

Cheers,

jf
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Re: Eric4 segmentation fault

[Susi Lehtola]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:13:33 +0100
Martin Airs  wrote:

> Good day all,
> 
> I wonder if anyone else uses eric on here, and if someone has a
> fix/workaround to get this running?
> 
> [martin@desktop ~]$ eric4
> Segmentation fault
> [martin@desktop ~]$

File a bug against eric.
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Re: Who? Me?? Attacked???

[Junk]

On 23 Apr 2013, at 17:10, Beartooth  wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:40:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>[]
>> The only thing worse than a poorly asked question is a cryptic answer.
> 
>OK, first off, I'm the OP. 
> 
>I suppose I should be flattered at being addressed as if I were 
> an Alpha Plus Technoid; but I'm not one. I'm just an old twice-retired 
> bookworm, running Fedora because there's more and better help online for 
> it than for anything else I've tried (most of the well-known distros), 
> and because I began back in '98 with RedHat. I can't imagine anything I 
> have being of interest to an intruder.
> 

Your right. They probably aren't interested in what you have. They might be 
interested in taking over your machine as part of a botnet though. A large 
amount of attacks are now automated against wide ranges of devices

>All the replies in this thread so far have been way over my head. 
> The one thing I gather some of you want is the error message from SEL, 
> verbatim. I don't have it; I presume it's in some log somewhere, but I 
> have no idea how to find that log.
> 

Try
sealert -a /var/log/audit/audit.log

Or

grep setroubleshoot /var/log/messages

There will have been a full report in the graphical tool that initially warned 
you but these should give the same result. 

Junk
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Re: Who? Me?? Attacked???

[Beartooth]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:40:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
[]
> The only thing worse than a poorly asked question is a cryptic answer.

OK, first off, I'm the OP. 

I suppose I should be flattered at being addressed as if I were 
an Alpha Plus Technoid; but I'm not one. I'm just an old twice-retired 
bookworm, running Fedora because there's more and better help online for 
it than for anything else I've tried (most of the well-known distros), 
and because I began back in '98 with RedHat. I can't imagine anything I 
have being of interest to an intruder.

All the replies in this thread so far have been way over my head. 
The one thing I gather some of you want is the error message from SEL, 
verbatim. I don't have it; I presume it's in some log somewhere, but I 
have no idea how to find that log.

As for the rest of the comments, however well-meant, I can't tell 
what is wanted; but I'll try to go find it if someone can make it clear 
to me.

My guess is that Arora had well over a hundred, but well under 
two hundred, tabs open when it crashed. SEL then offered me two choices, 
both having something to do with Arora trying to access memory somewhere 
that SEL thought it had no business accessing.

A point that may or may not be relevant is that the machine I was 
using had been running slow, with some of the probably busiest apps (Pan, 
several browsers, and Alpine) seeming especially slow. 

Pan and Firefox (but iirc not Arora) had actually crashed a time 
or two, in one of two ways. Sometimes they just went away, but I could 
restart them (and, with one or two of the browsers, eliminate some of the 
open tabs before full restoration). Sometimes they produced what I've 
called, in another recent thread here, the Diagonal Screen of Death 
(DSoD).

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Re: Does 'dhcping' work on F18 ?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.04.2013 17:00, schrieb Aaron Gray:
> It does not seem to working for me and I was wondering if it worked for 
> anyone else ?

please try to describe your problem
"does not work" is not enough

it needs at least logs, input commands, response
/var/log/messages, /var/log/dhcp*


> On 23 April 2013 09:40, Reindl Harald  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Am 23.04.2013 02:01, schrieb Aaron Gray:
> > Does 'dhcping' work on F18?
> 
> why do you not simply install it and report
> if it is not the case?



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Re: Does 'dhcping' work on F18 ?

[Aaron Gray]

It does not seem to working for me and I was wondering if it worked for
anyone else ?

Aaron



On 23 April 2013 09:40, Reindl Harald  wrote:

>
>
> Am 23.04.2013 02:01, schrieb Aaron Gray:
> > Does 'dhcping' work on F18?
>
> why do you not simply install it and report
> if it is not the case?
>
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Re: OT: In case you've been worrying about MariaDB and F19

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Steven Stern
>  wrote:
> > http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/04/22/wikipedia-adopts-mariadb/
> >
> > Wikipedia is converting to MariaDB.
>
> Regurgitating a December story?
> http://www.zdnet.com/wikipedia-moving-from-mysql-to-mariadb-708912/
>

Not really.  Just that the migration happens in stages and as wikimedia
progresses, you get more info

Rahul
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Re: OT: In case you've been worrying about MariaDB and F19

[Matthew J. Roth]

Fernando Cassia wrote:
> 
> Regurgitating a December story?
> http://www.zdnet.com/wikipedia-moving-from-mysql-to-mariadb-708912/

No, updating it.  OP's link [1] has much more recent information in it.  Here's
the first sentence:

  This past Wednesday marked a milestone in the evolution of Wikimedia’s
  Database infrastructure: the completion of the migration of the English and
  German Wikipedias, as well as Wikidata, to MariaDB 5.5.

[1] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/04/22/wikipedia-adopts-mariadb/:

Regards,

Matthew Roth
InterMedia Marketing Solutions
Software Engineer and Systems Developer
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Re: OT: In case you've been worrying about MariaDB and F19

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Steven Stern
 wrote:
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/04/22/wikipedia-adopts-mariadb/
>
> Wikipedia is converting to MariaDB.

Regurgitating a December story?
http://www.zdnet.com/wikipedia-moving-from-mysql-to-mariadb-708912/

FC


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Re: recoll and mime-text

[poma]

On 23.04.2013 09:44, j...@dockes.org wrote:

> Ok then. 
> 
> I did a little more testing, and Dave supplied a hint about kmail.
> 
> As far as I know Thunderbird will only open and display a message file
> passed on the command line if the file name has a ".eml" extension.
> 
> When you get a Recoll message result which is part of an mbox folder, which
> would be the case if the message is actually held in the Thunderbird
> profile, or also if it is found inside another "mbox" format file, and when
> you click "Open" on it, Recoll creates a ".eml" temporary file and starts
> Thunderbird on it (through xdg-open), ** which is, I think, why you see
> things working ** (I'd be delighted to be wrong).
> 
> But, if the message is held in a single-message file inside an MH or
> Maildir directory, (in general without a .eml extension), Recoll will have
> no reason to create a temporary file, and it will execute
> xdg-open/Thunderbird directly on it. I could find no way to get Thunderbird
> to behave in this situation (it will usually start in 'Compose' mode, with
> the message as a text attachment). 

Yup, if the 'Tbird' isn't already started, a temporary "*.eml" gets created:
/usr/lib64/thunderbird/thunderbird /tmp/foobar.eml

*But* it doesn't matter which messages storing format is used. :)
*Both* supported storing *formats* do *work* like a charm.

Default - flat messages storing format - berkeley *mailbox*[1]:
mail.serverDefaultStoreContractID;@mozilla.org/msgstore/berkeleystore;1
or
User set - tree messages storing format - *maildir*[2]:
~/.thunderbird//prefs.js
user_pref("mail.serverDefaultStoreContractID",
"@mozilla.org/msgstore/maildirstore;1");

MH (Message Handler) is beyond the scope - for the 'Tbird'. ;)

> There is a reasonably simple workaround using an intermediary script to
> create a temp file, it is described here:
>   https://bitbucket.org/medoc/recoll/wiki/OpenHelperScript
> 
> Dave showed me that kmail was able to do the right thing in this situation,
> using the --view option. You can set this up by adding message/rfc822 to
> the non-desktop mime type exceptions in the Recoll preferences and setting
> up "kmail --view %u" as the message/rfc822 viewer.
> 
> I would **love** to find a simple mail client which could display any
> message/rfc822 file or mail folder passed on the command line, but this
> does not seem to really exist. Kmail does the job, but it comes with the
> whole akonadi/nepomuk baggage, which is a bit much for people who are not
> using KDE already.


poma


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbox
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir

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Eric4 segmentation fault

[Martin Airs]

Good day all,

I wonder if anyone else uses eric on here, and if someone has a fix/workaround 
to get this running?

[martin@desktop ~]$ eric4
Segmentation fault
[martin@desktop ~]$

thanks

Martin

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Re: I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users

[Joe Wulf]

I'm in the same boat.  I've received an email requiring me to 'confirm' my 
email address.  I've been with yahoo for a decade+.  Mail has been reliable, 
solid and steady... the fedora mailing lists are the ONLY ones where I 
periodically get warnings about too many 'bounces'.  I was pleasantly suprised 
to see someone else identifying the issue.




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> From: staticsafe 
>To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org 
>Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:18 PM
>Subject: Re: I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users
> 
>
>On 4/19/2013 19:41, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
>> On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
>>> For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
>>> list.
>>>
>>> I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
>>>
>>>    We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
>>> current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
>>>    Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
>>> that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
>>>    Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
>>> corrected soon.
>>>
>>> I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
>>> (I've changed nothing.) 
>>>
>>> There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
>>> do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
>> 
>> Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
>> mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
>> 
>> FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months. 
>> Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the 
>> problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
>> 
>
>That sounds like your mail provider is having deliverability issues, I
>would contact them about it.
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OT: In case you've been worrying about MariaDB and F19

[Steven Stern]

http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/04/22/wikipedia-adopts-mariadb/

Wikipedia is converting to MariaDB.


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Re: synaptics gone?

[Andras Simon]

2013/4/23, T.C. Hollingsworth :
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Andras Simon  wrote:
>> Yes, and synclient was always needed to make it work properly.
>> I don't know what changed, or when because I don't reboot it often
>> (a few times a year). I'd love to know how to force X to load the
>> synaptics
>> driver.
>
> In my experience, trying to force X to load the synaptics driver is a
> waste of time, since the kernel driver still doesn't load.  :-(

Is there a way to check whether the kernel driver is loaded? Is that a
loadable module?

> If
> you want to try it anyway, create a file
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/force-synaptics.conf with the following contents
> and restart X:
>
> Section "InputDevice"
> Driver "synaptics"
> Identifier "TouchPad"
> Option"SendCoreEvents"
> Option"Protocol" "auto-dev"
> Option"SHMConfig" "on"
>  EndSection

This works. Thanks a lot!

>
> To get this fixed properly, you should file a bug against
> xorg-x11-drv-synaptics and let them know autodetecting your touchpad
> broke at some point:
> http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/xorg-x11-drv-synaptics

I'm not sure that is the culprit, because it works with an older kernel (3.7.9).
On the other hand, synaptics's maintainers are probably more
interested in this problem than the kernel's.

Thanks again for your help!

Andras
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Re: Does 'dhcping' work on F18 ?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 23.04.2013 02:01, schrieb Aaron Gray:
> Does 'dhcping' work on F18?

why do you not simply install it and report
if it is not the case?



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Re: recoll and mime-text

[jf]

poma writes:
 > On 22.04.2013 08:18, medoc wrote:
 > > poma wrote
 > >> Sylpheed version 3.3.0-1
 > >> Working like a charm. :)
 > >> Recoll settings related to the file types are default ones.
 > > 
 > > Hi,
 > > 
 > > Dave's problem was not to get at the attachment from the result list, but
 > > trying to 'Open' the message, then get at the attachment from there. This
 > > failed because Thunderbird started in 'Compose' mode with the message 
 > > itself
 > > as a text attachment, instead of doing the right thing.
 > > 
 > > As far as I know, using 'Open' on an email does not work currently because
 > > neither xdg-open nor any common mail client supports it. Are you able to do
 > > it anyway ? Maybe I'm missing something.
 > > 
 > > To get at the attachment, you need to fiddle with the search until you can
 > > see it as a search result. There will be something in a future Recoll to
 > > make extracting attachments easier.
 > 
 > Cheers Jean, Dave
 > It doesn't matter which method is used. ;)
 > Both do work like a charm.
 > You only need to set the proper mime type association - "rfc822"
 > A reason why I mentioned the Xfce because it has a very convenient MIME
 > type editor - xfce4-mime-settings(xfce4-settings)[1], which can be used
 > for someone who is not proficient in direct editing MIME type file/s.
 > 
 > RFC #  822[2]
 > ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
 > message/rfc822=mozilla-thunderbird.desktop
 > 
 > /usr/share/applications/mozilla-thunderbird.desktop
 > Exec=thunderbird %u
 > TryExec=thunderbird
 > 
 > > But this is not a subject for the Fedora mailing list, I think we should 
 > > get
 > > off it if you would like to pursue this further.
 > 
 > Au contraire, it's a good title and theme. Let the people learn. :)

Ok then. 

I did a little more testing, and Dave supplied a hint about kmail.

As far as I know Thunderbird will only open and display a message file
passed on the command line if the file name has a ".eml" extension.

When you get a Recoll message result which is part of an mbox folder, which
would be the case if the message is actually held in the Thunderbird
profile, or also if it is found inside another "mbox" format file, and when
you click "Open" on it, Recoll creates a ".eml" temporary file and starts
Thunderbird on it (through xdg-open), ** which is, I think, why you see
things working ** (I'd be delighted to be wrong).

But, if the message is held in a single-message file inside an MH or
Maildir directory, (in general without a .eml extension), Recoll will have
no reason to create a temporary file, and it will execute
xdg-open/Thunderbird directly on it. I could find no way to get Thunderbird
to behave in this situation (it will usually start in 'Compose' mode, with
the message as a text attachment). 

There is a reasonably simple workaround using an intermediary script to
create a temp file, it is described here:
  https://bitbucket.org/medoc/recoll/wiki/OpenHelperScript

Dave showed me that kmail was able to do the right thing in this situation,
using the --view option. You can set this up by adding message/rfc822 to
the non-desktop mime type exceptions in the Recoll preferences and setting
up "kmail --view %u" as the message/rfc822 viewer.

I would **love** to find a simple mail client which could display any
message/rfc822 file or mail folder passed on the command line, but this
does not seem to really exist. Kmail does the job, but it comes with the
whole akonadi/nepomuk baggage, which is a bit much for people who are not
using KDE already.

Cheers,

jf
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