date:20130502

On 28.04.2013 21:30, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera in a remote site,
> which I access at http://xyz.com:8080 on one of my Fedora-18 laptops.
> 
> For some reason there is now a delay of an hour or so
> in getting the image on my laptop.
> This occurs on both my Fedora-18/KDE laptops,
> whether connected by WiFi or ethernet,
> and whether using Firefox, Chrome or Konqueror.
> But it does not occur - I get an immediate view -
> running Windows XP on the same laptops,
> or on my server running CentOS-6.4.
> 
> With Firefox I get the message "Connecting to ..."
> and then (endlessly) "Transferring data from ...".
> 
> Any enlightenment gratefully received.

Are you willing to provide us a real link or you asking people to spend
time in vain. ;)


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Re: Two HDs

On 01.05.2013 22:36, Bill Kuns wrote:
> Dear Helpers:
> 
> I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system.  Only one of the
> two is
> recognized by Fedora.
[…]

Define "recognized by Fedora", and it'll set you free. ;)


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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On 02.05.2013 22:41, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Thu, 02 May 2013 21:51:53 +0200
> poma  wrote:
> 
>> On 02.05.2013 20:20, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>
>>> This was another issue. ;) 
>>>
>>> Our old lists.fedoraproject.org server was slow and underpowered. 
>>> This is why there was an outage yesterday as we moved to a new and
>>> vastly overpowered instance. ;) 
>>>
>>> Posts and archives should be pretty much instant now, if you see an
>>> issue please file a infrastructure ticket and we can look. 
>>
>> Is there a test group on those mail servers, at all?
> 
> We don't currently have one no, we could setup one I suppose, but not
> sure there's enough use to justify it. What would you use it for? just
> to see if posts go through?

Regardless of how it can be called, it'd be useful not only for testing
throughput, but also for practicing mailing list fine arts - and of
course, also for offtopicing. ;)

e.g. multit...@lists.fedoraproject.org


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Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

2013-05-02 Thread Timothy Murphy

Ed Greshko wrote:

> In doing some googling on your device, it seems others have encountered
> the same issue with some reporting success after altering the MTU.
> 
> I suppose I would try changes there first.  Posts suggest trying 1400.

I had actually tried changing the MTU, with
sudo ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1400 up
It didn't solve the problem,
but it did alter the packets I got according to wireshark.
In fact I would have thought it was working from wireshark,
but the image still doesn't appear.

> If possible, I would check the network devices at the remote end to see
> what they are set to.  Normally, the default is 1500.

Yes, both WiFi and ethernet have MTU set to 1500 on the remote server.

> Additionally, and this is a long time ago, I had similar network issues
> with a device and it was necessary to turn off tcp_window_scaling in the
> kernel.

Again, I had actually set 
net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=0
in /etc/sysctl.conf (and re-booted the laptop).
I too had a problem a couple of years ago which I solved in this way.

I'm going to install wireshark on my local CentOS-6.4 server, if I can,
and see how the packets from the camera differ,
as it works perfectly on the server.

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Howto configure KDE to always open new windows?

2013-05-02 Thread Alan Evans

Hello all!

My devel machine at work is running F17 and KDE. There are lots of little
things about KDE that bug me, but this one is driving me batty.

I keep 12 workspaces open. Yes, 12 -- it works for me. At any time, I'll
have multiple instances (or at least multiple windows) open, spread around
the various workspaces. For example, I might have 3 or 4 kate windows open
in various workspaces, each editing groups of files relevant to what I'm
doing with that workspace.

Now, if I open a new file from, for example, Dolphin, the system picks one
of the existing kate windows and opens the file in that. The problem is
that I never want that to happen. It's especially aggravating when the
window that opens the file is not even in the same workspace that I'm
viewing when I select the file.

This also happens when I click links in emails. They always open in a
(randomly? chosen) browser window even if that browser window is not in my
current workspace.

Is there a way to configure KDE to always open files or links in a new
window? In the current workspace? It would be nice if there were some
universal setting for this behavior, but I'll settle for just a way to make
files opened in Dolphin always appear in a new window.

-Alan
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Re: Two HDs

2013-05-02 Thread les

On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 10:36 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote:
> Bill -
> 
> > Dear Harish:
> >
> > They are internal SATA drives.
> 
> I am assuming your system has something like what is shown in
> this [0]. And that there is already a cable connecting the drive to
> the board. Then there is nothing else to do except to check within
> your BIOS to see if the drive is enabled as well.
> 
> [0] 
> http://s32.photobucket.com/user/KKilme/media/Resources/sata-on-mb-empty.jpg.html
> [0] http://wiki.pcworld.com/index.php/Installing_SATA_hard_drives
> 
> Harish

I don't know if it affects F18, but when I put my wife on F17 with two
SATA drives, it turned out that there was some kind of RAID built into
the board.  If I plugged the second drive into one port, it was seen as
the second drive of the raid.  Plugging into a different one, it was
picked up as a real second drive.  This is also one of those UEFI mother
boards.  

Boy did I long for the good old days of cable selection and master/slave
settings.  Documentation seems gone, and Video's do not give you time to
re-read and compare different views easily.  This motherboard came with
a video, but it only illustrated a simple setup with one hard drive and
Windows.  

Sorry, I do not remember the mobo mfr or the model.  I'll get it when
she comes back this evening, just in case that helps.

Regards,
Les H

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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject. [SOLVED]

On Thu, 2 May 2013 11:50:47 -0700 (PDT)
William Mattison  wrote:

> I checked my settings.  I was mis-understanding what one of them
> meant.  Now I know: "Mail delivery" set to "Disabled" also turns off
> reception of digests, too.  I fixed it; I've since received a digest.
> 
> By the way, I still receive unwanted messages from
> "nob...@fedoraproject.org", though a lot less today.  It was really
> bad a few days ago.  Could Yahoo e-mail subscribers' responses to all
> those "nobody" messages be what caused Yahoo to bounce messages -
> based on "fedoraproject.org".

Can you forward me such a email with complete headers intact off list? 

nob...@fedoraproject.org goes to /dev/null. It shouldn't be sending
anything. 

> Bill.

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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 02 May 2013 21:51:53 +0200
poma  wrote:

> On 02.05.2013 20:20, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> 
> > This was another issue. ;) 
> > 
> > Our old lists.fedoraproject.org server was slow and underpowered. 
> > This is why there was an outage yesterday as we moved to a new and
> > vastly overpowered instance. ;) 
> > 
> > Posts and archives should be pretty much instant now, if you see an
> > issue please file a infrastructure ticket and we can look. 
> 
> Is there a test group on those mail servers, at all?

We don't currently have one no, we could setup one I suppose, but not
sure there's enough use to justify it. What would you use it for? just
to see if posts go through?

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Re: Expectation of privacy

On Thu, 2 May 2013 18:48:36 + (UTC)
Bill Oliver  wrote:

> 
> In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy
> regarding email.  I think this is a reasonable topic for an email
> mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions.
...snip...

I think it's a completely reasonable topic for a privacy or meta list. 

I don't think it's really a good one for the fedora users support
list. ;) 

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Re: Expectation of privacy

2013-05-02 Thread Paul W. Frields

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 03:04:14PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 18:48 +, Bill Oliver wrote:
> > In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy
> > regarding email.  I think this is a reasonable topic for an email
> > mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions.
> 
> I do think it's a worthy topic, I'm just not sure that the Fedora list
> is the place for it since it has really nothing specifically to do with
> Fedora, or indeed with Linux, or operating systems, or software or
> computers, but with policies on the Internet. Perhaps someone can
> suggest a more focussed forum for this.

There is a list for Fedora legal issues.  I'm not sure that's the
right forum either, since this is not specific to Fedora.  That list
is used primarily for dealing with software licensing and other issues
that specifically impact the Fedora Project.  A Usenet group that
discusses general legal issues might be more appropriate, like this
one (UI is through Google Groups gateway):

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/misc.legal.computing

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Re: Expectation of privacy

2013-05-02 Thread Bill Oliver



Sure, but as those of us who spend a lot of time in court come to recognize, what constitutes 
"bad manners" and what is "illegal" (and  particularly what is excludable from 
court),  are two very, very different things.

And, of course, not all situations are equivalent.  I have been in the 
situation, for instance, where the same person has sent me emails saying one 
thing, told a colleague another thing, told a federal investigator a third 
thing, and told the press a fourth thing.  Any assertion that there is some 
sort of protection that precludes this kind of deception from being outed 
because the deceptions are in private email would be incorrect.  No 
communication can properly be viewed in a vacuum when it comes to making 
dogmatic statements about reportability.

billo

On Thu, 2 May 2013, Joe Zeff wrote:


On 05/02/2013 11:48 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:

3a) There is a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding email sent
from one person to one other person.


I might add that although there's no legal prohibition about making private 
emails public, most people consider it bad manners to do so without the 
sender's permission.  "What happens in private mail stays in private mail."

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Re: Expectation of privacy

2013-05-02 Thread Paul W. Frields

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 12:13:01PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/02/2013 11:48 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
> >3a) There is a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding email sent
> >from one person to one other person.
> 
> I might add that although there's no legal prohibition about making
> private emails public, most people consider it bad manners to do so
> without the sender's permission.  "What happens in private mail
> stays in private mail."

More relevant: We have mailing list guidelines that directly address
using private, off-list email (and keeping it so):

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Certain_behavioral_guidelines

Having a bunch of IANALs debate legality, while certainly a great
academic and forensic exercise, is off topic for the list.  Let's get
back to Fedora!  :-)

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Re: Expectation of privacy

2013-05-02 Thread agraham


On 05/02/2013 07:48 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:


In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy
regarding email. I think this is a reasonable topic for an email mailing
list, since there are many differing perceptions.

Of course, laws and customs vary across the world. In the United States,
there is a rather complex hierarchy of limitations of scrutiny of
electronic communication, particularly by the government. In general,
there is:

1) No recgnized expectation of privacy with respect to most header
information (to, from, addressing and routing information, etc).

2) No recognized expectation of privacy regarding aggregate information
that would be logged by a provider (number of emails sent, websites
visited, amount of data transmitted, etc).

3) There is variable expectation of privacy regarding the content of the
email.

3a) There is a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding email sent
from one person to one other person.

3b) With respect to mailinglist emails, the Supreme Court concluded in
US v Maxwell:

"Expectations of privacy in e-mail transmissions depend in large part on
the type of e-mail involved and the intended recipient. Messages sent to
the public at large in the "chat room" or e-mail that is "forwarded"
from correspondent to correspondent lose any semblance of privacy. Once
these transmissions are sent out to more and more subscribers, the
subsequent expectation of privacy incrementally diminishes. This loss of
an expectation of privacy, however, only goes to these specific pieces
of mail for which privacy interests were lessened and ultimately
abandoned."

4) Finally, emails that are *stored after reading* on a server lose the
expectation of privacy. The analogy the courts used was that of a paper
letter. A sealed letter delivered to a recipient carries an expectation
of privacy. Once the recipient has opened the letter, the expectation of
privacy depends on what he or she does with it -- it is the
responsibility of the recipient, not the sender. If the recipient puts
the letter in a safe, it retains the expectation. If the recipient
leaves it sitting on the table and walks away, it loses the expectation
of privacy. In the eyes of the court, saving an email on a server
constitutes putting it on the desk and walking away. Similarly,
abandoned emails lose the expectation, just as abandoned letters do.
Thus, email that is stored on a server eventually loses its expectation
of privacy even if not read.

In addition, there are differences in *who* can read emails. For
instance, while the government may be limited in some instances, a
private company can read any communications made by any employee on a
company machine, at least if there is notification somewhere.

The effect of warnings, banners, and statements of privacy are variable,
depending on the relationship of the sender and recipient. Generally,
the banners are effective in removing rather than providing an
expectation of privacy. They seem to be meaningless in a practical
manner with it comes to multiple recipient emails sent outside a closed
organization.

In my profession as a forensic pathologist, I am frequently called to
court. Occasionally I, and some of my colleagues, have been surprised to
find that emails we sent to mailinglists of various sorts pop up as
exhibits when people attempt to challenge our testimony. The admission
of these has never been successfully challenged on the basis of
expectation of privacy in any of the cases I'm aware of.

Any person who expects that their emails to a mailinglist are private
is, at least in the US, doomed to disappointment. If you don't want your
emails published generally, don't send them to a mailinglist.


billo




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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On 02.05.2013 20:20, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> This was another issue. ;) 
> 
> Our old lists.fedoraproject.org server was slow and underpowered. 
> This is why there was an outage yesterday as we moved to a new and
> vastly overpowered instance. ;) 
> 
> Posts and archives should be pretty much instant now, if you see an
> issue please file a infrastructure ticket and we can look. 

Is there a test group on those mail servers, at all?


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RE: "hackers"

2013-05-02 Thread Josh Johnston

From: st...@stevesearle.com
>Richard, you appear to keep sending emails to the list with the text
>portion containing no content.

No, they have content on them, he's just not sending them as HTML mail instead 
of Plain Text.

==
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Re: Expectation of privacy

2013-05-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 18:48 +, Bill Oliver wrote:
> In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy
> regarding email.  I think this is a reasonable topic for an email
> mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions.

I do think it's a worthy topic, I'm just not sure that the Fedora list
is the place for it since it has really nothing specifically to do with
Fedora, or indeed with Linux, or operating systems, or software or
computers, but with policies on the Internet. Perhaps someone can
suggest a more focussed forum for this.

poc

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Re: Expectation of privacy

2013-05-02 Thread Joe Zeff


On 05/02/2013 11:48 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:

3a) There is a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding email sent
from one person to one other person.


I might add that although there's no legal prohibition about making 
private emails public, most people consider it bad manners to do so 
without the sender's permission.  "What happens in private mail stays in 
private mail."

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Re: "hackers"

2013-05-02 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 01:01:13PM +0100, Steve Searle wrote:
> Around 10:40pm on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 (UK time), 
> richard.vicker...@gmail.com scrawled:
> > 
> 
> Richard, you appear to keep sending emails to the list with the text
> portion containing no content. I appreciate that this may be done to
> please those who are fed up with what you do write, but perhaps you
> could stop sending them altogether.

First, he probably won't, just to be spiteful. Second, have you looked at
the attachments he sends instead of text? Aside from the list footer,
the main attachment is in html. He seems to refuse to comply with
internet protocol.  


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Re: Upgrade to 3.8.8-100: now boot loops ! solved: grub2 bug.

2013-05-02 Thread Matthew Saltzman

On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 13:17 -0400, sean darcy wrote: 
> On 04/30/2013 02:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > On 04/30/2013 10:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> * make sure "installonly_limit" in "/etc/yum.conf" is high enough to not
> >>remove the 3.7.x
> >
> > If you really want to be safe:
> >
> > yum remove kernel
> >
> > will remove all installed kernels *except* for the one you're currently
> > using.  (That is, yum won't allow you to leave yourself without a kernel
> > for the next time you boot.)  You probably don't need to be this
> > heavy-handed, but you never know when something like this might come in
> > handy.
> 
> I did that. Ran yum update. Same problem.
> 
> But I figured it out. I've been planning to upgrade to F18 when I have 
> the courage. I've run fedup. But then when I upgrade to a new F17, 
> grub2, in it's infinite wisdom, places all the upgrade stuff from a 
> fedup boot to the command line of the new F17 kernel.
> 
> Only way to fix is to go edit grub.cfg itself. And you need to keep 
> doing it with every kernel upgrade. Sigh.

GRUB2 works more like LILO than like old GRUB, in that there is a
configuration file to edit and an installation procedure to get the boot
process to use the updated configuration.

The file to edit is /etc/default/grub.  The installation command is 

grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

That command runs some scripts that create /boot/grub2/grub.cfg,
which--as you've discovered--you should never edit.

/etc/default/grub is a set of shell variable definitions.  The one you
want to edit is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, which contains a template for the
kernel command line arguments.  Once this is fixed, the kernel update
process should work correctly.

If have trouble figuring out what to fix, post the contents of
your /etc/default/grub here.

If you are annoyed by the "missing font file" error message when grub2
starts, add the line 

LANG=C

to the top of that file.

> 
> sean
> 
> 

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Re: Expectation of privacy


Am 02.05.2013 20:48, schrieb Bill Oliver:
> In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy regarding 
> email.  I think this is a reasonable
> topic for an email mailing list, since there are many differing perceptions.
>
> Any person who expects that their emails to a mailinglist are private is, at 
> least in the US, doomed to
> disappointment.  If you don't want your emails published generally, don't 
> send them to a mailinglist

you missed the fact that a mail NOT SENT to any mailing-list was replied and
quoted to TWO mailing-lists, and this is unacceptable everywhere



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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject. [SOLVED]

2013-05-02 Thread William Mattison

I checked my settings.  I was mis-understanding what one of them meant.  Now I 
know: "Mail delivery" set to "Disabled" also turns off reception of digests, 
too.  I fixed it; I've since received a digest.

By the way, I still receive unwanted messages from "nob...@fedoraproject.org", 
though a lot less today.  It was really bad a few days ago.  Could Yahoo e-mail 
subscribers' responses to all those "nobody" messages be what caused Yahoo to 
bounce messages - based on "fedoraproject.org".

Bill.



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> To: "users@lists.fedoraproject.org" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 10:58 AM
> Subject: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.
> 
>G ood morning,
> 
> For several days now, I have not received anything from 
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org.  I sent a message to "owner", but 
> received no response.  How do I get this fixed?
> 
> Please reply to me as well as the list.  I will also check the archives later 
> today for answers.
> 
> 
> thanks,
> Bill.
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Expectation of privacy

2013-05-02 Thread Bill Oliver

In another thread, respondents debated the expectation of privacy regarding
email. I think this is a reasonable topic for an email mailing list, since
there are many differing perceptions.

Of course, laws and customs vary across the world. In the United States, there
is a rather complex hierarchy of limitations of scrutiny of electronic
communication, particularly by the government. In general, there is:

1) No recgnized expectation of privacy with respect to most header information
(to, from, addressing and routing information, etc).

2) No recognized expectation of privacy regarding aggregate information that
would be logged by a provider (number of emails sent, websites visited, amount
of data transmitted, etc).

3) There is variable expectation of privacy regarding the content of the email.

3a) There is a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding email sent from one
person to one other person.

3b) With respect to mailinglist emails, the Supreme Court concluded in US v
Maxwell:

"Expectations of privacy in e-mail transmissions depend in large part on the type of e-mail involved and
the intended recipient. Messages sent to the public at large in the "chat room" or e-mail that is
"forwarded" from correspondent to correspondent lose any semblance of privacy. Once these
transmissions are sent out to more and more subscribers, the subsequent expectation of privacy incrementally
diminishes. This loss of an expectation of privacy, however, only goes to these specific pieces of mail for
which privacy interests were lessened and ultimately abandoned."

4) Finally, emails that are *stored after reading* on a server lose the
expectation of privacy. The analogy the courts used was that of a paper
letter. A sealed letter delivered to a recipient carries an expectation of
privacy. Once the recipient has opened the letter, the expectation of privacy
depends on what he or she does with it -- it is the responsibility of the
recipient, not the sender. If the recipient puts the letter in a safe, it
retains the expectation. If the recipient leaves it sitting on the table and
walks away, it loses the expectation of privacy. In the eyes of the court,
saving an email on a server constitutes putting it on the desk and walking
away. Similarly, abandoned emails lose the expectation, just as abandoned
letters do. Thus, email that is stored on a server eventually loses its
expectation of privacy even if not read.

In addition, there are differences in *who* can read emails. For instance,
while the government may be limited in some instances, a private company can
read any communications made by any employee on a company machine, at least if
there is notification somewhere.

The effect of warnings, banners, and statements of privacy are variable,
depending on the relationship of the sender and recipient. Generally, the
banners are effective in removing rather than providing an expectation of
privacy. They seem to be meaningless in a practical manner with it comes to
multiple recipient emails sent outside a closed organization.

In my profession as a forensic pathologist, I am frequently called to court.
Occasionally I, and some of my colleagues, have been surprised to find that
emails we sent to mailinglists of various sorts pop up as exhibits when people
attempt to challenge our testimony. The admission of these has never been
successfully challenged on the basis of expectation of privacy in any of the
cases I'm aware of.

Any person who expects that their emails to a mailinglist are private is, at
least in the US, doomed to disappointment. If you don't want your emails
published generally, don't send them to a mailinglist.

billo

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Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists


Am 02.05.2013 20:24, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com:
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
>>> They should have moderated you and your mouth, and pen off of this list
>>> a long, long time ago.
>> Just stop it!
>>
>> Sorry, no. If you don't understand political games, that is not my problem
> 
> AGAIN: learn to use your mail-client and quote before use mailing-lists
> 
> if you want to play political games go somewhere else and leave
> distribution specific lists in peace!
> 
> AND ESPECIALLY DO NOT TAKE THEM TO THE DEVEL-LIST
> IT IS UNBELIEVABLE HOW YOU ACT WITH E-MAIL
> 
> Then don't bother threatening me with a private email!

boy throw away your smartphone
it does not include a working mail-client

hint: the count of > signs visualize quotings



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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 2 May 2013 12:20:58 -0600
Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> Posts and archives should be pretty much instant now, if you see an
> issue please file a infrastructure ticket and we can look. 

And this thread actually was pretty much instant. I guess the
delay is gone :-).
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Re: Errors on Boot-Up

2013-05-02 Thread Rick Stevens


On 05/01/2013 02:01 PM, Bill Kuns issued this missive:

Dear Helpers:

When I do manage to boot up my Fedora System, I get these remarks on the
screen:

[ 11.034216] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[ 21.050448] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[ 68.199577] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[ 78.235808] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[   117.824319] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[   127.860509] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[   161.385877] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[   171.422106] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)

After that, the system goes ahead and boots.  The next time, I get the
same number
of errors, but the numbers are different.

Do I need to fix this?  How?


That looks like a drive that's dying. Could be a CD or DVD drive that's
having issues.

To find out what device it is, try:

# cat /proc/scsi/scsi

Look for the stuff under "Host: scsi4 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00". That
should be the device.
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Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Reindl HaraldSent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 11:09 AMTo: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org; Mailing-List fedora-usersReply To: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: take your bullshit from public maling listsAm 02.05.2013 20:02, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com:> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.> > *From: *Matthias Runge> *Sent: *Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:38 AM> *To: *de...@lists.fedoraproject.org> *Reply To: *Development discussions related to Fedora> *Subject: *Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists> > On 05/02/2013 06:07 AM, Richard Vickery wrote:> >> Reindl, They should have moderated you and your mouth, and pen off of this list>> a long, long time ago.> Just stop it!> > Sorry, no. If you don't understand political games, that is not my problemAGAIN: learn to use your mail-client and quote before use mailing-listsif you want to play political games go somewhere else and leavedistribution specific lists in peace!AND ESPECIALLY DO NOT TAKE THEM TO THE DEVEL-LISTIT IS UNBELIEVABLE HOW YOU ACT WITH E-MAILThen don't bother threatening me with a private email!-- 
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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 2 May 2013 14:04:49 -0400
Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Thu, 2 May 2013 11:50:20 -0600
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> 
> > I would stongly advise you to switch to a better email provider. 
> 
> Something besides yahoo is going on. I use gmail, and the past
> few days I've seen things show up on the list archive hours before
> a copy actually arrives in my mailbox (but I haven't noticed
> things disappearing completely).

This was another issue. ;) 

Our old lists.fedoraproject.org server was slow and underpowered. 
This is why there was an outage yesterday as we moved to a new and
vastly overpowered instance. ;) 

Posts and archives should be pretty much instant now, if you see an
issue please file a infrastructure ticket and we can look. 

Thanks, 

kevin


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Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists



Am 02.05.2013 20:02, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com:

> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> 
> *From: *Matthias Runge
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:38 AM
> *To: *de...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> *Reply To: *Development discussions related to Fedora
> *Subject: *Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists
> 
> On 05/02/2013 06:07 AM, Richard Vickery wrote:
> 
>> Reindl,
>>
>> They should have moderated you and your mouth, and pen off of this list
>> a long, long time ago.
> Just stop it!
> 
> Sorry, no. If you don't understand political games, that is not my problem

AGAIN: learn to use your mail-client and quote before use mailing-lists

if you want to play political games go somewhere else and leave
distribution specific lists in peace!

AND ESPECIALLY DO NOT TAKE THEM TO THE DEVEL-LIST
IT IS UNBELIEVABLE HOW YOU ACT WITH E-MAIL



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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 2 May 2013 11:50:20 -0600
Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> I would stongly advise you to switch to a better email provider. 

Something besides yahoo is going on. I use gmail, and the past
few days I've seen things show up on the list archive hours before
a copy actually arrives in my mailbox (but I haven't noticed
things disappearing completely).
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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

On Thu, 02 May 2013 17:05:22 +0200
Reindl Harald  wrote:

> 
> 
> Am 02.05.2013 16:58, schrieb William Mattison:
> > Good morning,
> > 
> > For several days now, I have not received anything from
> > users@lists.fedoraproject.org.  I sent a message to "owner", but
> > received no response.  How do I get this fixed?
> > 
> > Please reply to me as well as the list.  I will also check the
> > archives later today for answers
> 
> check your list-settings
> 
> this was disccused multiple times and seems to be caused
> by a intrusion at yahoo resulting in all sort of problems
> for yahoo-addresses
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/08/yahoo_webmail_hijack_flare_on/

It's actually much more likely that it's caused by yahoo blacklisting
the entire lists.fedoraproject.org domain based on feedback from very
few users. They have done this a number of times in the past and will
continue to do so. 

I would stongly advise you to switch to a better email provider. 

http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/37248.html

kevin


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Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

2013-05-02 Thread Paul W. Frields

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 10:17:45AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 02.05.2013 06:07, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Reindl Harald  > > wrote: 
> > keep you NON-FEDORA political bullshit offlist
> > 
> > if you have quetstions provide informations about your environemnt
> > if you are not able to provide this informations read the fucking
> > manuals to learn the basiscs to express you and your problem in
> > a way that sombody can become a clue what is going wrong
> > 
> > people like you are the reason other people got moderated
> > and thrown from lists because they somewhere in time
> > starting people like you calling what you are: an idiot
> > 
> > Reindl,
> > 
> > They should have moderated you and your mouth, and pen off of this list a 
> > long, long time ago.
> 
> says the one which started to call people idiots and
> started this flamewar-thread while not be able to
> take a PRIVATE MESSAGE as what it is - A PRIVATE message
> 
> where i live you are even not permitted per law to
> make a private message public - you can go to your
> lawyer with it if you think but you are NOT allowed
> to make it public

This thread is closed.  Please don't post further replies to it.  The
participants have been contacted off list by the moderators.  Thanks
for helping to keep the list focused on assisting, encouraging, and
advising Fedora users.

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Re: Upgrade to 3.8.8-100: now boot loops ! solved: grub2 bug.

2013-05-02 Thread sean darcy


On 04/30/2013 02:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 04/30/2013 10:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

* make sure "installonly_limit" in "/etc/yum.conf" is high enough to not
   remove the 3.7.x


If you really want to be safe:

yum remove kernel

will remove all installed kernels *except* for the one you're currently
using.  (That is, yum won't allow you to leave yourself without a kernel
for the next time you boot.)  You probably don't need to be this
heavy-handed, but you never know when something like this might come in
handy.


I did that. Ran yum update. Same problem.

But I figured it out. I've been planning to upgrade to F18 when I have 
the courage. I've run fedup. But then when I upgrade to a new F17, 
grub2, in it's infinite wisdom, places all the upgrade stuff from a 
fedup boot to the command line of the new F17 kernel.


Only way to fix is to go edit grub.cfg itself. And you need to keep 
doing it with every kernel upgrade. Sigh.


sean

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Re: not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.



Am 02.05.2013 16:58, schrieb William Mattison:
> Good morning,
> 
> For several days now, I have not received anything from 
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org.  I sent a message to "owner", but received no 
> response.  How do I get this fixed?
> 
> Please reply to me as well as the list.  I will also check the archives later 
> today for answers

check your list-settings

this was disccused multiple times and seems to be caused
by a intrusion at yahoo resulting in all sort of problems
for yahoo-addresses

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/08/yahoo_webmail_hijack_flare_on/



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not receiving anything from users at lists.fedoraproject.

2013-05-02 Thread William Mattison

Good morning,

For several days now, I have not received anything from 
users@lists.fedoraproject.org.  I sent a message to "owner", but received no 
response.  How do I get this fixed?

Please reply to me as well as the list.  I will also check the archives later 
today for answers.


thanks,
Bill.

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Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Greshko

On 05/02/13 21:25, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Thanks again for your response.
> I've been using wireshark as you suggested,
> and it seems that the same packet is being repeated endlessly.
> It is described as "TCP segment of a reassembled PDU".
>
> So I wonder if it is just a problem with the protocol
> used by the WVC54GCA camera to send pictures over the internet?
>
> Or perhaps more likely it has something to do with the MTU?
> The packet that is repeated endlessly has length 1462.

In doing some googling on your device, it seems others have encountered the 
same issue with some reporting success after altering the MTU. 

I suppose I would try changes there first.  Posts suggest trying 1400.

If possible, I would check the network devices at the remote end to see what 
they are set to.  Normally, the default is 1500.

The ip command can be used to set the MTU for the interface.

Additionally, and this is a long time ago, I had similar network issues with a 
device and it was necessary to turn off tcp_window_scaling in the kernel.  If 
memory serves me, the problem was between a linux system and a WinXP 
application.

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Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

2013-05-02 Thread Timothy Murphy

Ed Greshko wrote:

 I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera in a remote site,
 which I access at http://xyz.com:8080 on one of my Fedora-18 laptops.

 For some reason there is now a delay of an hour or so
 in getting the image on my laptop.
>>> Does it matter where your laptop is?  If you go to your local coffee
>>> shop and use their Wifi do you also have the problem?
>> Thanks very much for your advice.
>> I found there was the same delay with the laptop in an internet cafe.
>> I've also found I have the same problem with my Android phone
>> (Samsung Galaxy S2, Android version 4.0.4).
>> But I don't have the problem on my CentOS-6.4 server, or on Windows XP.
> 
> I would say that comes under the heading of curiouser and curiouser.
> 
>>> Have you tried using WireShark or another network tool to see if you're
>>> getting data from the remote site and/or getting dropped or
>>> re-transmitted frames.
>> I've forgotten how to use wireshark -
>> I'll look for a tutorial and try what you suggest.

> Hard to believe that it would have anything to do with IPv6.  I'm guessing
> that xyx.com doesn't have an IPv6 address.  Also, your Samsung phone also
> exhibits the same symptoms and it probably doesn't have IPv6 enabled
> either.
> 
> Good luck with wireshark.  The interface has probably changed since the
> last time you used it.

Thanks again for your response.
I've been using wireshark as you suggested,
and it seems that the same packet is being repeated endlessly.
It is described as "TCP segment of a reassembled PDU".

So I wonder if it is just a problem with the protocol
used by the WVC54GCA camera to send pictures over the internet?

Or perhaps more likely it has something to do with the MTU?
The packet that is repeated endlessly has length 1462.

> Oh, one more thing  Have you tried using the IP address instead of the
> hostname?

I did try that - it didn't make any difference.


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Re: Two HDs

2013-05-02 Thread Matthew J. Roth

Bill Kuns wrote: 
> 
> Yes, fdisk seems to see both 1 TB drives: 
> 
> [root@FedC15 bkuns]# fdisk -l 
> 
> Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes 
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors 
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes 
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes 
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes 
> Disk identifier: 0x0006673d 
> 
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System 
> /dev/sda1 * 2048 1026047 512000 83 Linux 
> /dev/sda2 1026048 1953523711 976248832 8e Linux LVM 
... 
> Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes 
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors 
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes 
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes 
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes 
> Disk identifier: 0x44fdfe06


Bill,

It looks like Fedora is seeing both hard drives.  You should be able to create
a partition on the second drive by (only type the single letter after the
prompt, the words in parentheses are just comments):

  # fdisk /dev/sdb
  Command (m for help): o   (create a new empty DOS partition table)
  Command (m for help): n   (add a new partition)
  Command action
 e   extended
 p   primary partition (1-4)
  p
  Partition number (1-4): 1
  First cylinder (1-121601, default 1): 1
  Last cylinder, +cylinders or +size{K,M,G} (1-121601, default 121601): 121601
  
  Command (m for help): w   (write table to disk and exit)

Next, create an ext4 filesystem in the new partition and mount it:

  # mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1
  # mkdir /mnt/sdb1
  # mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1

If all goes well, that should at least prove that the hard drive is ready for
Fedora to use.  Then you can use your favorite utilities to divide it up into
partitions, create filesystems in them, and add the related entries to
'/etc/fstab'.

Regards,

Matthew Roth
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Re: yum --downloadonly

2013-05-02 Thread Frank Murphy

On Thu, 2 May 2013 07:14:07 -0400
Tom Horsley  wrote:

> On Thu, 2 May 2013 09:59:36 +0100
> Frank Murphy wrote:
> 
> > if # yum --downloadonly
> > is invoked without --downloadir
> > are the packages just kept in the yum cache?
> 
> Yep, they hang around till you actually run yum
> without --downloadonly, the automatic cache
> flushing doesn't happen till the packages are installed
> (which makes sense, but doing the sensible thing
> is not always what happens with software :-).

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Re: "hackers"

2013-05-02 Thread Steve Searle

Around 10:40pm on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 (UK time), 
richard.vicker...@gmail.com scrawled:
> 

Richard, you appear to keep sending emails to the list with the text
portion containing no content. I appreciate that this may be done to
please those who are fed up with what you do write, but perhaps you
could stop sending them altogether.

Thanks

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Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Greshko

On 05/02/13 18:00, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 04/29/13 03:30, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>>> I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera in a remote site,
>>> which I access at http://xyz.com:8080 on one of my Fedora-18 laptops.
>>>
>>> For some reason there is now a delay of an hour or so
>>> in getting the image on my laptop.
>> Does it matter where your laptop is?  If you go to your local coffee shop
>> and use their Wifi do you also have the problem?
> Thanks very much for your advice.
> I found there was the same delay with the laptop in an internet cafe.
> I've also found I have the same problem with my Android phone
> (Samsung Galaxy S2, Android version 4.0.4).
> But I don't have the problem on my CentOS-6.4 server, or on Windows XP.

I would say that comes under the heading of curiouser and curiouser.

>> Have you tried using WireShark or another network tool to see if you're
>> getting data from the remote site and/or getting dropped or re-transmitted
>> frames.
> I've forgotten how to use wireshark -
> I'll look for a tutorial and try what you suggest.
>
> Looking at another thread, I was wondering if the problem
> could be something to do with ipv6.
> I think that is disabled on my laptop, but I'll check it.
>  
Hard to believe that it would have anything to do with IPv6.  I'm guessing that 
xyx.com doesn't have an IPv6 address.  Also, your Samsung phone also exhibits 
the same symptoms and it probably doesn't have IPv6 enabled either.

Good luck with wireshark.  The interface has probably changed since the last 
time you used it.  

Oh, one more thing  Have you tried using the IP address instead of the 
hostname?


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Re: Wondrous X bug for your amusement

2013-05-02 Thread Joel Rees

I can't remember not having this sort of thing happen occasionally on
Fedora.

Also, the X11 session bouncing between virtual terminal 1 and 7, since at
latest the switch from Fedora Core to Fedora.

I've just tended to blow it off as apparently not worth the devs time.


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Tom Horsley  wrote:

> I'm not sure I think anyone will figure out what this
> is or how to fix it, but it seems strange enough to
> send to the list for the amusement value alone :-).
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958326
>
> At first, it looks like my system rebooted, but
> it is actually still running fine and a couple
> of console VT switch keyboard sequences gets
> everything back.
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Re: yum --downloadonly

On Thu, 2 May 2013 09:59:36 +0100
Frank Murphy wrote:

> if # yum --downloadonly
> is invoked without --downloadir
> are the packages just kept in the yum cache?

Yep, they hang around till you actually run yum
without --downloadonly, the automatic cache
flushing doesn't happen till the packages are installed
(which makes sense, but doing the sensible thing
is not always what happens with software :-).
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Re: "hackers"


Am 01.05.2013 23:41, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com:
> *From: *Reindl Harald
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 1, 2013 3:15 AM
> *To: *users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> *Reply To: *Community support for Fedora users
> *Subject: *Re: "hackers"
> 
> Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vickery:
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tim > &g t; wrote:
>>
>> Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2013, Richard Vickery sent:
>> > I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means.
>>
>> Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who
>> cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote that: some form
>> of unauthorised alteration of their data.
>>
>> I'm just going to guess, Tim, that you are a little more intelligent than 
>> your reply lets on, and that you can
>> actually understand the meaning behind "I have no clue what the term 'I've 
>> been hacked' means". No one can be that
>> stupid, can you?
> 
> and you are the one whining here that you are attacked by naming the thread 
> bullsh**t?
> better shut up!
> 
> Why? Is that a threat? What possible harm do you have you could do if I kept 
> up? And who the he'll do you think you
> are anyway, Reindl? Remember that I defended your rotten abuse of English! 
> Learn how to facing speak!!!

first: you should learn to quote before you start critism others english
second: what else than "No one can be that stupid, can you?" is a threat?

to your 'I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means'
well, than better stop using computers at all



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Re: Monitor turns off on normal boot

2013-05-02 Thread David G . Miller

Anthony Papillion  papillion.me> writes:

> 
> On 05/01/2013 09:57 AM, David G. Miller wrote:
> > Anthony Papillion  papillion.me>  writes:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello Everyone,
> >>
> >> I'm having trouble getting Fedora (or Ubuntu or Windows) to do a
> >> normal boot.
> >>
> >> When I try to boot Windows or Ubuntu in normal mode, it gets to a
> >> certain point then the monitor turns off and nothing more happens.
> > 
> >
> > Try the brightness adjust buttons on your laptop.  You didn't say what brand
> > of laptop you have but I used an HP laptop at my previous job that would set
> > the brightness of the laptop's display to essentially off when it booted.
> > Since there were no errors, there were no messages.  I forget how I finally
> > discovered I just needed to hit the "brighter" button a few times and the
> > display was there.
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> It's not the brightness settings, already checked that as I'd run into 
> something similar with a Debian install a few years ago. In my case, the 
> monitor is going into power saving mode. I'm back to Fedora 14 and I'm 
> having no problems there. But the minuite I upgrade to 17, it will go 
> back to kicking the monitor into PS mode on boot.
> 
> Any other ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Anthony
For some reason I was thinking laptop.  Probably because I had the problem
with mine.  A different suggestion: let the system come up (just wait a
while) and then request an alternate console with CTRL-ALT-F2 (or whatever
you favorite alternate console number is).  This should work around any
video mode issues for a graphic display since you get a text console.

If you get a text console then the issue is probably an incompatible video
mode when running in graphical mode.  If you don't get a text console then
your video card isn't being recognized.  I'm assuming you see normal POST
activity before the OS boots.

Cheers,
Dave



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Errors on Boot-Up

Dear Helpers:

When I do manage to boot up my Fedora System, I get these remarks on the
screen:

[ 11.034216] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[ 21.050448] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[ 68.199577] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[ 78.235808] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[   117.824319] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[   127.860509] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[   161.385877] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)
[   171.422106] ata5: COMRESET  Failed (errno =-16)

After that, the system goes ahead and boots.  The next time, I get the
same number
of errors, but the numbers are different.

Do I need to fix this?  How?

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Re: Two HDs

Dear Marvin:

Yes, I've done that and each drive is recognized by itself.

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On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 15:51 -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
> Hi
> 
> 
> 
> How about starting with checking to see if the drives work..
> 
> 
> 
> Hook up ONE at a time and see if it shows up..
> 
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> 
> Marvin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Bill Kuns  wrote:
> 
> Dear Helpers:
> 
> I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system.  Only
> one of the two is
> recognized by Fedora.
> 
> They are WD1002FAEX drives.  When I asked Western Digital for
> assistance, their
> "help" wasn't much help.
> 
> They reported this difficulty was the result of a "Signature
> Collision".  Then,. they gave me instructions on how to clear
> the error in Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows
> 8.  None of those is going to work under Fedora.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
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Re: Two HDs

2013-05-02 Thread Frank Murphy

On Wed, 01 May 2013 14:36:02 -0600
Bill Kuns  wrote:

> Dear Helpers:
> 
> I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system.  Only one
> of the two is
> recognized by Fedora.
> 

I have often both identical drives, recognised no problems.
*But*, what has happened is where a dodgy bios, has recognised diskA,
only on sata0, and maybe disk-b on sata3.

A bios upgrade fixed that problem.
Check your motherboard vendors site, 
for any relevant info re. bios updates.

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Re: "hackers"

 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Reindl HaraldSent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 3:15 AMTo: users@lists.fedoraproject.orgReply To: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: "hackers"Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vickery:> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tim &g
 t; wrote:> > Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2013, Richard Vickery sent:> > I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means.> > Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who> cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote that:  some form> of unauthorised alteration of their data.> > I'm just going to guess, Tim, that you are a little more intelligent than your reply lets on, and that you can> actually understand the meaning behind "I have no clue what the term 'I've been hacked' means". No one can be that> stupid, can you?and you are the one whining here that you are attacked by naming the thread bullsh**t?better shut up!Why? Is that a threat? What possible harm do you have you could do if I kept up? And who the he'll do you think you are anyway, Reindl? Remember that I defended your rotten abuse of 
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is there a way to play swf files (version > 9) in Fedora?

2013-05-02 Thread Germán A. Racca


Hi list!

Not that I'm a fan of gaming, but I discovered the web site y8.com by 
chance and I liked the games, and they even offer a download option.


The games are in swf format, and even having gnash installed, not all of 
the games I downloaded are working. Reading the info for gnash I can see 
that "Gnash is capable of reading up to SWF v9...". Taking a look at the 
files I downloaded:


$ file *.swf
AmericanRacing.swf:  Macromedia Flash data (compressed), 
version 14
coasterracer2.swf:   Macromedia Flash data (compressed), 
version 10
Formula Racer 2012_May_4th_2012.swf: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), 
version 10
virtual_drums.swf:   Macromedia Flash data (compressed), 
version 6


In fact, the only one that plays nicely is virtual_drums.swf. Question 
is: how can I play the other files whose versions are > 9 in Fedora? All 
that I found in Google refers to Adobe Player, but the download links 
are for the flash plugin for the web browser.


Any help is appreciated.

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Re: Two HDs

Dear Harish:

They are internal SATA drives.

Thank you.

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On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 07:31 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote:

> Bill -
> 
> > Dear Helpers:
> >
> > I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system.  Only one of the
> > two is recognized by Fedora.
> 
> Are these internal SATA or externally connected USB drives?
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Re: Runlevel 3 after fedup

2013-05-02 Thread ellis

To add to this, I've recently found out the problem also happens when I come up
in runlevel 5 and then later switch to 3.

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Re: take your bullshit from public maling lists

2013-05-02 Thread Richard Vickery

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

> keep you NON-FEDORA political bullshit offlist
>
> if you have quetstions provide informations about your environemnt
> if you are not able to provide this informations read the fucking
> manuals to learn the basiscs to express you and your problem in
> a way that sombody can become a clue what is going wrong
>
> people like you are the reason other people got moderated
> and thrown from lists because they somewhere in time
> starting people like you calling what you are: an idiot
>
> and yes after many threads i see your name and have the
> word "idiot" in my mind - since this happens only by
> specific persons you must do something wrong
>
>
>
>
> Reindl,

They should have moderated you and your mouth, and pen off of this list a
long, long time ago.

Cheers!
Richard
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Re: F18 update left one update uninstalled

2013-05-02 Thread g



greets again, joez.

On 05/01/2013 03:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 05/01/2013 09:00 AM, g wrote:

steps 1 -> 3 = read man pages.

step 4 = run command; ie,

   ]$ yum-complete-transaction


D'oh!  I completely failed to notice that all except the last were RTFM.


so as not to happen, i presented them with a blank line. maybe i should
have entered a couple "]$ " lines before command line. ;-)


   However, I think that if you haven't yet run yum-complete-transaction,
it should be all that's needed.


not in reality.

it appears from _op's_ post, *op* is not familiar with "yum" package
and associated.

and/or is not familiar enough with "man" or "info" to be aware of the
"FILES" and "SEE ALSO" sections at end of many man/info pages.

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semi-offtopic: AMD catalyst + Phillips TV 46PFL7007 VGA + LongView Cat5 KVM Extender

2013-05-02 Thread Bob Marcan

This is the modeline which works:
 
 Section "Monitor"
Identifier   "0-CRT1"
ModeLine "1920x1080" 148.5 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1088 1125 
+hsync +vsync
Option  "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
Option  "ModelName" "Phillips 46PFL7007 VGA"
Option  "DPMS" "true"
Option  "PreferredMode" "1920x1080"
Option  "TargetRefresh" "60"
Option  "Position" "0 0"
Option  "Rotate" "normal"
Option  "Disable" "false"
EndSection

Now i can watch movies and tv  in living room.
Wireless mouse + fvwm is enough.
Bye xbmc and DLNA, it's more comfortable to have complete desktop on TV.

HW (H264) acceleration is working too.
If anyone is interested:

Installed Packages:
libva.x86_64  1.1.1-2.fc18   @updates   
libva-devel.x86_641.1.1-2.fc18   @updates   
libva-utils.x86_641.1.1-2.fc18   @updates  
xorg-x11-drv-catalyst.x86_64   13.1-1.fc18@rpmfusion-nonfree-updates

and

xvba-video-0.7.8-0.f18.bob.src.rpm
xvba-video-0.7.8-0.f18.bob.src.rpm


Since i don't (and don't want) to have a web server, i can provide this
only by email. Binaries too, if you wish.


BR, Bob
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Re: Two HDs

2013-05-02 Thread Joe Zeff


On 05/01/2013 01:36 PM, Bill Kuns wrote:

They reported this difficulty was the result of a "Signature
Collision".  Then,. they gave me instructions on how to clear the error
in Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.  None of those
is going to work under Fedora.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?


I'm not sure just what a signature collision is, but you might be able 
to clear it with a PartedMagic LiveCD: 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/partedmagic/  I'd suggest that you try 
this instead of a GParted CD because this has considerably more 
utilities and can do things that the other can't.  And, as they're both 
free, you might as well get the best one available.

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RE: Re: Two HDs

Dear Mr. Craig:

Yes, fdisk seems to see both 1 TB drives:

[root@FedC15 bkuns]# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0006673d

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *2048 1026047  512000   83  Linux
/dev/sda2 1026048  1953523711   976248832   8e  Linux LVM

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_swap: 5536 MB, 5536481280 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 673 cylinders, total 10813440 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_swap doesn't contain a valid partition
table

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_root: 53.7 GB, 53687091200 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 6527 cylinders, total 104857600 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_root doesn't contain a valid partition
table

Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x44fdfe06

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1  63  1953520064   976760001c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_home: 940.4 GB, 940430065664 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 114334 cylinders, total 1836777472 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_fedc15-lv_home doesn't contain a valid partition
table

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> does fdisk see it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Bill Kuns  wrote:
> 
> Dear Helpers:
> 
> I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system.  Only
> one of the two is
> recognized by Fedora.
> 
> They are WD1002FAEX drives.  When I asked Western Digital for
> assistance, their
> "help" wasn't much help.
> 
> They reported this difficulty was the result of a "Signature
> Collision".  Then,. they gave me instructions on how to clear
> the error in Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows
> 8.  None of those is going to work under Fedora.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
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yum --downloadonly

2013-05-02 Thread Frank Murphy

# yum --downloadonly

if # yum --downloadonly
is invoked without --downloadir
are the packages just kept in the yum cache?
so /etc/yum.conf needs keepcache=1
or does it?
I normally keep the cache,
so without removing lots of stuff cannot test.


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Re: Two HDs

2013-05-02 Thread Harish Pillay

Bill -

> Dear Helpers:
>
> I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system.  Only one of the
> two is recognized by Fedora.

Are these internal SATA or externally connected USB drives?

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Re: "hackers"

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 12:27 PMTo: Community support for Fedora usersReply To: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: "hackers"

On 04/30/2013 03:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Eddie G.
O'Connor Jr.
wrote:

n all honesty Mr. Dineen: Absolutely Nothing! But it was fun
while it lasted, as I'm sure they'll now "shut down" the topic and move
on to bigger and better things! LoL!

EGO II

On 04/26/2013 01:12 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote:

Gents:

I have been quietly listening in to this discussion for several
days now!

I have a simple question: What the hell dose this rant have to do
with:
"Community Support For Fedora Users"??

Thomas Dineen

If you do shut it down, and don't want to hear about
the topic, then can we PLEASE clean up our language around hacking,
hackers, and "I've been hacked"? Actually, this is not a question; it's
more of a kindly demand. Since we are all hackers, I have no clue what
the term "I've been hacked" means. If your system becomes compromised,
say so, or fix it, or ask the community to help with code, like we used
to do when we broke into each other's systems. Don't bother us with
your cry wolf, or I - or someone else - will be back with this line.
The line "I've been hacked" sounds like the author either doesn't know
how to speak or ought to get out of computers because said person
doesn't know how to code.

Richard Vickery

I agree that the word "hacker" brings to mind
visions of some overweight, glasses-wearing, geek living in his
parent's garage, surrounded by five computers that he built from spare
parts, with all manner of code running..but that's just Hollywood,
in real life, as stated before, "hackers' are hired to be programmers,
and to try to break commercial software while its still in testing
mode, so that they can ship a product that has been put through its
paces. I don't think I would have said I've been hacked, I might have
gone with "compromised"...attackedmaybe even violated"?LoL! But
that's just me

EGO II

This is exactly my point.Thanks so much EGO!Richard --
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Re: Extraordinary delay in accessing web-site

2013-05-02 Thread Timothy Murphy

Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 04/29/13 03:30, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>> I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera in a remote site,
>> which I access at http://xyz.com:8080 on one of my Fedora-18 laptops.
>>
>> For some reason there is now a delay of an hour or so
>> in getting the image on my laptop.

> Does it matter where your laptop is?  If you go to your local coffee shop
> and use their Wifi do you also have the problem?

Thanks very much for your advice.
I found there was the same delay with the laptop in an internet cafe.
I've also found I have the same problem with my Android phone
(Samsung Galaxy S2, Android version 4.0.4).
But I don't have the problem on my CentOS-6.4 server, or on Windows XP.

> Have you tried using WireShark or another network tool to see if you're
> getting data from the remote site and/or getting dropped or re-transmitted
> frames.

I've forgotten how to use wireshark -
I'll look for a tutorial and try what you suggest.

Looking at another thread, I was wondering if the problem
could be something to do with ipv6.
I think that is disabled on my laptop, but I'll check it.

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Re: Two HDs

2013-05-02 Thread Edward Martinez


On 5/1/2013 1:36 PM, Bill Kuns wrote:
I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system.  Only one of 
the two is

recognized by Fedora.


 Is the second harddrive being detected in the BIOS?
 maybe issuing "dmesg | grep sd" may show something.

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Re: "hackers"

 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Reindl HaraldSent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 3:15 AMTo: users@lists.fedoraproject.orgReply To: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: "hackers"Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vickery:> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tim &g
 t; wrote:> > Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2013, Richard Vickery sent:> > I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means.> > Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who> cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote that:  some form> of unauthorised alteration of their data.> > I'm just going to guess, Tim, that you are a little more intelligent than your reply lets on, and that you can> actually understand the meaning behind "I have no clue what the term 'I've been hacked' means". No one can be that> stupid, can you?and you are the one whining here that you are attacked by naming the thread bullsh**t?better shut up!Why? Is that a threat? What possible harm do you have you could do if I kept up? And who the he'll do you think you are anyway, Reindl? Remember that I defended your rotten abuse of 
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Re: "hackers"

2013-05-02 Thread Roger

Please help us maintain the sanity of the list, so we don't have to 
moderate.
"So Let It Be Written...So Let It Be Done!"(Sorry..I couldn't 
resist!...LoL!)




This useless, derogatory thread engages  my [Delete] Button
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Re: Two HDs

2013-05-02 Thread Marvin Kosmal

Hi

How about starting with checking to see if the drives work..

Hook up ONE at a time and see if it shows up..

HTH

Marvin



On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Bill Kuns  wrote:

> **
> Dear Helpers:
>
> I have installed two 1 TB Hard Drives in my new system.  Only one of the
> two is
> recognized by Fedora.
>
> They are WD1002FAEX drives.  When I asked Western Digital for assistance,
> their
> "help" wasn't much help.
>
> They reported this difficulty was the result of a "Signature Collision".
> Then,. they gave me instructions on how to clear the error in Windows XP,
> Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8.  None of those is going to work
> under Fedora.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
>
> Thanks,
>
>   --
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>
>
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Wondrous X bug for your amusement

I'm not sure I think anyone will figure out what this
is or how to fix it, but it seems strange enough to
send to the list for the amusement value alone :-).

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958326

At first, it looks like my system rebooted, but
it is actually still running fine and a couple
of console VT switch keyboard sequences gets
everything back.
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