[389-users] slapd crashing and changing permissions on log files

2014-09-05 Thread Elizabeth Jones
We have a 389DS instance that has started having a strange problem when it
runs its backups -

[04/Sep/2014:01:05:01 -0500] - Backup finished.
[04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
(/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors) chown failed (13)
Permission denied.
[04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
(/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors.20140820-144326) chown
failed (13) Permission denied.
[04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
(/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors) chown failed (13)
Permission denied.
[04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
(/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors.20140820-144326) chown
failed (13) Permission denied.
[04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
(/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors) chown failed (13)
Permission denied.
[04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
(/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors.20140820-144326) chown
failed (13) Permission denied.

This is coming from the db2bak.pl backup script.  Somehow our log files
are ending up with permissions - and then since they can't be
written to the instance crashes.

The only thing that has changed recently on this instance is that we
configured secure replication back to another server (it was already
receiving replication traffic from that server, so now they are able to
replicate back and forth to each other).

We are running
389-ds-base-1.2.11.25-1.el6.x86_64
on
2.6.39-300.26.1.el6uek.x86_64

any suggestions on why this instance has started behaving this way would
be appreciated.

thanks -
EJ


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Re: [389-users] slapd crashing and changing permissions on log files

2014-09-05 Thread Elizabeth Jones
Actually, it seems to be happening every time the instance is restarted. 
Just had it happen again:

--. 1 nobody nobody  2960 Sep  5 09:19 errors



 We have a 389DS instance that has started having a strange problem when it
 runs its backups -

 [04/Sep/2014:01:05:01 -0500] - Backup finished.
 [04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
 (/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors) chown failed (13)
 Permission denied.
 [04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
 (/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors.20140820-144326) chown
 failed (13) Permission denied.
 [04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
 (/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors) chown failed (13)
 Permission denied.
 [04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
 (/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors.20140820-144326) chown
 failed (13) Permission denied.
 [04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
 (/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors) chown failed (13)
 Permission denied.
 [04/Sep/2014:05:55:01 -0500] - chown_dir_files: file
 (/var/log/dirsrv/slapd-vadc-ldap2-prod/errors.20140820-144326) chown
 failed (13) Permission denied.

 This is coming from the db2bak.pl backup script.  Somehow our log files
 are ending up with permissions - and then since they can't be
 written to the instance crashes.

 The only thing that has changed recently on this instance is that we
 configured secure replication back to another server (it was already
 receiving replication traffic from that server, so now they are able to
 replicate back and forth to each other).

 We are running
 389-ds-base-1.2.11.25-1.el6.x86_64
 on
 2.6.39-300.26.1.el6uek.x86_64

 any suggestions on why this instance has started behaving this way would
 be appreciated.

 thanks -
 EJ


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Vmware Workstation not launching

2014-09-05 Thread Lawrence E Graves
Has anyone noticed, if you are running vmware workstation 10, that it 
will not launch. I have reinstalled and still no results. Welcoming  any 
advise concerning this issue. Thank you in advance.


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Re: Vmware Workstation not launching

2014-09-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 09/05/14 19:57, Lawrence E Graves wrote:
 Has anyone noticed, if you are running vmware workstation 10, that it will 
 not launch. I have reinstalled and still no results. Welcoming  any advise 
 concerning this issue. Thank you in advance. 

Have you tried starting it from the command line?

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VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
I would like to avoid burning a DVD, rather install [centos7 in this 
case] from the .iso downloaded to my HD. Is this not possible? All 
google wants to do is help me install Windows.


I can burn a DVD easily enough but it seems it should not be necessary ...

Tnx,

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Nathan Schwarz
A little bit more information about what exactly you try to do would
really help.
Are you trying to create a VM with fedora? What OS are you on right now?
What iso did you download? So many questions...

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On 09-05/10:29, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 I would like to avoid burning a DVD, rather install [centos7 in this case]
 from the .iso downloaded to my HD. Is this not possible? All google wants to
 do is help me install Windows.
 
 I can burn a DVD easily enough but it seems it should not be necessary ...
 
 Tnx,
 
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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 09/05/14 10:32, Nathan Schwarz wrote:

A little bit more information about what exactly you try to do would
really help.
Are you trying to create a VM with fedora? What OS are you on right now?
What iso did you download? So many questions...




Gosh, I thought I covered all that, Virtual Box as derived via yum for 
Fedora-20 64bit, the computer described in the signature at the bottom.


I've suffered wit this question for a while, usually give up and just 
burn a disk to install a VM but as I said I would rather work with the 
.iso I already have on my hd.


Bob

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Fred Smith
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 10:42:36AM -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA 
wrote:
 
 On 09/05/14 10:32, Nathan Schwarz wrote:
 A little bit more information about what exactly you try to do would
 really help.
 Are you trying to create a VM with fedora? What OS are you on right now?
 What iso did you download? So many questions...
 
 
 
 Gosh, I thought I covered all that, Virtual Box as derived via yum
 for Fedora-20 64bit, the computer described in the signature at the
 bottom.
 
 I've suffered wit this question for a while, usually give up and
 just burn a disk to install a VM but as I said I would rather work
 with the .iso I already have on my hd.

So, lessee here...

you want to install some Linux into a VM on VirtualBox?? without having
to waste a blank CD/DVD?

easy to do...

in VB, once you've created the VM but before you do the install, select
the VM into which you wish to install, click Settings, click Storage,
under the Storage tree select whatever is shown as the contents of the
ide controller (in my case it's empty), then under Attributes,
click the little CD icon and browse to the ISO you want to install by
clicking choose a virtual CD/DVD disk file. Then click the OK button,
and fire up your VM and do the installation. Bob's your uncle! :)


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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Friday, September 05, 2014 10:42:36 AM Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA 
wrote:
 On 09/05/14 10:32, Nathan Schwarz wrote:
  A little bit more information about what exactly you try to do would
  really help.
  Are you trying to create a VM with fedora? What OS are you on right now?
  What iso did you download? So many questions...
 
 Gosh, I thought I covered all that, Virtual Box as derived via yum for
 Fedora-20 64bit, the computer described in the signature at the bottom.
 
 I've suffered wit this question for a while, usually give up and just
 burn a disk to install a VM but as I said I would rather work with the
 .iso I already have on my hd.
 
 Bob

If you want to use an ISO instead of a DVD to install a CentOS VM in 
VirtualBox you just have to add the ISO in VM SettingsStorageController: 
IDE CD/DVD Drive Choose a virtual disk file.

Here is a video to get you to exact place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oobxm02UrBE

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 09/05/14 11:11, Fred Smith wrote:

So, lessee here...

you want to install some Linux into a VM on VirtualBox?? without having
to waste a blank CD/DVD?

easy to do...

in VB, once you've created the VM but before you do the install, select
the VM into which you wish to install, click Settings, click Storage,
under the Storage tree select whatever is shown as the contents of the
ide controller (in my case it's empty), then under Attributes,
click the little CD icon and browse to the ISO you want to install by
clicking choose a virtual CD/DVD disk file. Then click the OK button,
and fire up your VM and do the installation. Bob's your uncle!:)



Ok, so now when I click on start:

Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)

The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is probably not loaded.
If you installed or VirtualBox package recently you need to restart the 
computer for the driver to load.




I see this:

[bobg@box10 ~]$ locate vboxdrv
/etc/udev/rules.d/90-vboxdrv.rules

What am I doing wrong, this shouldn't be so complicated? Or is it?

Thanks,

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Kevin Martin
On 09/05/2014 10:42 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
 On 09/05/14 11:11, Fred Smith wrote:
 So, lessee here...

 you want to install some Linux into a VM on VirtualBox?? without having
 to waste a blank CD/DVD?

 easy to do...

 in VB, once you've created the VM but before you do the install, select
 the VM into which you wish to install, click Settings, click Storage,
 under the Storage tree select whatever is shown as the contents of the
 ide controller (in my case it's empty), then under Attributes,
 click the little CD icon and browse to the ISO you want to install by
 clicking choose a virtual CD/DVD disk file. Then click the OK button,
 and fire up your VM and do the installation. Bob's your uncle!:)
 
 
 Ok, so now when I click on start:
 
 Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)
 
 The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is probably not loaded.
 If you installed or VirtualBox package recently you need to restart the 
 computer for the driver to load.
 
 
 
 I see this:
 
 [bobg@box10 ~]$ locate vboxdrv
 /etc/udev/rules.d/90-vboxdrv.rules
 
 What am I doing wrong, this shouldn't be so complicated? Or is it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Bob
 
How did you install VirtualBox (via kmod/akmod or from virtualbox.org)?  Have 
you recently updated your kernel?  If you've done the
latter then you'll need to either reboot and let akmod rebuild a VirtualBox 
kmod or you'll need to reinstall the VirtualBox app that
you downloaded from virtualbox.org to get the vboxdrv rebuilt and loaded.

Kevin
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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Steven Stern
On 09/05/2014 10:42 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
 On 09/05/14 11:11, Fred Smith wrote:
 So, lessee here...

 you want to install some Linux into a VM on VirtualBox?? without having
 to waste a blank CD/DVD?

 easy to do...

 in VB, once you've created the VM but before you do the install, select
 the VM into which you wish to install, click Settings, click Storage,
 under the Storage tree select whatever is shown as the contents of the
 ide controller (in my case it's empty), then under Attributes,
 click the little CD icon and browse to the ISO you want to install by
 clicking choose a virtual CD/DVD disk file. Then click the OK button,
 and fire up your VM and do the installation. Bob's your uncle!:)
 
 
 Ok, so now when I click on start:
 
 Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)
 
 The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is probably not loaded.
 If you installed or VirtualBox package recently you need to restart the
 computer for the driver to load.
 
 
 
 I see this:
 
 [bobg@box10 ~]$ locate vboxdrv
 /etc/udev/rules.d/90-vboxdrv.rules
 
 What am I doing wrong, this shouldn't be so complicated? Or is it?
 

sudo service vboxdrv setup will rebuild the drivers
sudo service vboxdrv start will start it


There are probably systemctl versions of those, but that's what my
fingers type and they still work.  (I use the version from virtualbox.org.)


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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 10:42 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
wrote:
 Gosh, I thought I covered all that, Virtual Box as derived via yum
 for 
 Fedora-20 64bit, the computer described in the signature at the
 bottom.

It wasn't clear from your OP if your problem is in getting VBox to run
or in installing a new OS once it is running.

Did you get the package from the Fedora repo or from the VirtualBox.org
repo? They are slightly different. I use the latter and at least in my
case I don't need to restart the system, but clearly the vbox kernel
modules have to be loaded somehow, normally
via /etc/init.d/vboxautostart-service, which just goes through systemd.

poc

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 09/05/14 11:52, Kevin Martin wrote:

How did you install VirtualBox (via kmod/akmod or from virtualbox.org)?  Have 
you recently updated your kernel?  If you've done the
latter then you'll need to either reboot and let akmod rebuild a VirtualBox 
kmod or you'll need to reinstall the VirtualBox app that
you downloaded from virtualbox.org to get the vboxdrv rebuilt and loaded.

Kevin
Dunno how but I am certain it was via yum, but from where? I guess what 
I need to do is find the kmod/akmod version and install that. I'm sure 
the kernel has been updated several times since VBox was installed. And 
I know from experience that without the auto update feature I will have 
problems.


I wasted my money on a copy of VMware that became useless after most 
kernel updates, finally gave up trying to deal with that.


Tnx,

Bob

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Steven Stern
On 09/05/2014 11:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 10:42 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
 wrote:
 Gosh, I thought I covered all that, Virtual Box as derived via yum
 for 
 Fedora-20 64bit, the computer described in the signature at the
 bottom.
 
 It wasn't clear from your OP if your problem is in getting VBox to run
 or in installing a new OS once it is running.
 
 Did you get the package from the Fedora repo or from the VirtualBox.org
 repo? They are slightly different. I use the latter and at least in my
 case I don't need to restart the system, but clearly the vbox kernel
 modules have to be loaded somehow, normally
 via /etc/init.d/vboxautostart-service, which just goes through systemd.
 
 poc
 
If DKMS is installed, updating the kernel will automagically update the
vbox kernel modules, at least for the version from virtualbox.org.

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Friday, September 05, 2014 05:02:06 PM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 Did you get the package from the Fedora repo or from the VirtualBox.org
 repo?

You might be talking about RPMFusion version and Virtualbox.org version. Yes,  
I agree Virtualbox version works better.

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Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Bat Phil
Hello all

Please forgive my ignorance, but I've decided to upgrade to Linux. I've had
a play with both Ubuntu and Fedora 20 (both with the LXDE desktop) and done
a few installs, updates, application installs, etc. and am getting more
confident / knowledgeable as I go.

I have decided to go for Fedora 20 with either the Gnome or KDE desktop
(not decided which yet, so I'll have a play and see what suits best).
However, I do have a few questions and would be grateful for some answers /
confirmation of my assumptions.

1. I am using older hardware - AMD Semperon 3000+ (socket 754), which I
understand is a 64 bit CPU. Will this run better, worse or no differently
with the 64 bit OS over the 32 bit?

2. Currently I have 1Gb DDR400 RAM, although I have some 1Gb modules on
their way to me so within a few days I'll hopefully have 3Gb (but I may
have a dodgy DIMM socket so it might only be 2). Will I be able to do a
graphical install with only the current 1Gb or am I better waiting until
the new memory arrives?


Ultimately I plan to install 2 drives in the box - one for the system and
the other for the home directory structure, which in itself raises a few
more questions.

3. Am I correct in my assumption that my mail client (I will be using
Thunderbird) stores all its e-mails and settings in a hidden directory
within the home directory?

4. If I do a reinstall later, will the OS pick up that I already have the
home directory structure on a separate drive and automatically configure to
it or will I have to do a bit of tinkering?

5. Will the reinstalled OS automatically recreate the user accounts based
on the home directories that exist or will I still need to do that?

6. If I need to recreate the user accounts manually, will they
automatically map to the correct user directories in the existing home
directory structure or will that be more tinkering?

7. Besides my data, will the system also be able to access my e-mails,
user-specific settings, etc. set up within the previous install?

8. If I later upgrade my data drive, is it just a case of copying the
home directory structure onto the new drive, plug it in and away I go, or
will I need to configure the OS to recognise the new drive first?


Apologies for the length of my request, but I think that is about it for
now. I'm sure however, that I'll have loads more questions / cries for help
later.

Many thanks in anticipation of some informative replies.
Phil
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff

On 09/05/2014 11:10 AM, Bat Phil wrote:


3. Am I correct in my assumption that my mail client (I will be using
Thunderbird) stores all its e-mails and settings in a hidden directory
within the home directory?



~/.thunderbird to be exact.


4. If I do a reinstall later, will the OS pick up that I already have
the home directory structure on a separate drive and automatically
configure to it or will I have to do a bit of tinkering?


The installer has no way of knowing how you want your various partitions 
mounted unless you tell it.  To do what you want, you need to create a 
custom partitioning layout, which is quite simple.  You specify what 
partition is mounted where, tell anaconda how you want it formatted or, 
if you want to keep the data, that it's not to be formatted.  Generally 
speaking, /home is the only partition not formatted, but there are 
exceptions, such as if you have a complete drive dedicated to a video 
collection and want it mounted as (let's say) /video.

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Kevin Martin
On 09/05/2014 11:06 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
 
 On 09/05/14 11:52, Kevin Martin wrote:
 How did you install VirtualBox (via kmod/akmod or from virtualbox.org)?  
 Have you recently updated your kernel?  If you've done the
 latter then you'll need to either reboot and let akmod rebuild a VirtualBox 
 kmod or you'll need to reinstall the VirtualBox app that
 you downloaded from virtualbox.org to get the vboxdrv rebuilt and loaded.

 Kevin
 Dunno how but I am certain it was via yum, but from where? I guess what I 
 need to do is find the kmod/akmod version and install
 that. I'm sure the kernel has been updated several times since VBox was 
 installed. And I know from experience that without the auto
 update feature I will have problems.
 
 I wasted my money on a copy of VMware that became useless after most kernel 
 updates, finally gave up trying to deal with that.
 
 Tnx,
 
 Bob
 
I gave up on the version from rpmfusion since they are unable to keep up with 
kernel updates from what I can tell and the akmod
would fail to rebuild.  I downloaded the version from VirtualBox.org, checked 
to see what patches I might need for the kernel I'm
on, patched and built it and it's working flawlessly at this time.  It's 
important to note that Oracle/VirtualBox *also don't tend
to keep up with the kernel versions very well but there are a number of people 
who do figure out where the patches need to be and
submit patches on the forums to get things working.  It's much easier to patch, 
at least I think it is, the virtualbox.org version
than it is to try to de-rpm the rpmfusion version, patch it, and re-rpm it back 
to a state where it can be reinstalled with yum/dnf
and work (temporarily).

Kevin
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Bat Phil
Thanks for your reply Joe.

I figured (but didn't make it clear) that I'd have to tell anaconda about
the existing home partition on the second drive. I was wondering more about
whether it would then automatically create the pre-existing user accounts
and whether all previous e-mails and settings would be preserved and
available under the new install.

Thanks again
Phil



On 5 September 2014 19:36, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/05/2014 11:10 AM, Bat Phil wrote:


 3. Am I correct in my assumption that my mail client (I will be using
 Thunderbird) stores all its e-mails and settings in a hidden directory
 within the home directory?


 ~/.thunderbird to be exact.

  4. If I do a reinstall later, will the OS pick up that I already have
 the home directory structure on a separate drive and automatically
 configure to it or will I have to do a bit of tinkering?


 The installer has no way of knowing how you want your various partitions
 mounted unless you tell it.  To do what you want, you need to create a
 custom partitioning layout, which is quite simple.  You specify what
 partition is mounted where, tell anaconda how you want it formatted or, if
 you want to keep the data, that it's not to be formatted.  Generally
 speaking, /home is the only partition not formatted, but there are
 exceptions, such as if you have a complete drive dedicated to a video
 collection and want it mounted as (let's say) /video.
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Marvin Kosmal
Hi

Slightly to the left.

How do I configure google mail to let me bottom post?  I googled and just
found references to grease monkey and that didn't get me anywhere.

Thanks

Marvin

PS

Great group


On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/05/2014 11:10 AM, Bat Phil wrote:


 3. Am I correct in my assumption that my mail client (I will be using
 Thunderbird) stores all its e-mails and settings in a hidden directory
 within the home directory?


 ~/.thunderbird to be exact.

  4. If I do a reinstall later, will the OS pick up that I already have
 the home directory structure on a separate drive and automatically
 configure to it or will I have to do a bit of tinkering?


 The installer has no way of knowing how you want your various partitions
 mounted unless you tell it.  To do what you want, you need to create a
 custom partitioning layout, which is quite simple.  You specify what
 partition is mounted where, tell anaconda how you want it formatted or, if
 you want to keep the data, that it's not to be formatted.  Generally
 speaking, /home is the only partition not formatted, but there are
 exceptions, such as if you have a complete drive dedicated to a video
 collection and want it mounted as (let's say) /video.
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff

On 09/05/2014 11:46 AM, Bat Phil wrote:

I figured (but didn't make it clear) that I'd have to tell anaconda
about the existing home partition on the second drive. I was wondering
more about whether it would then automatically create the pre-existing
user accounts and whether all previous e-mails and settings would be
preserved and available under the new install.


No.  Just create them using the same username they had before.  You'll 
be told that /home/NAME already exists and asked if you want to use it, 
and if so do you want to keep the existing data.  All of the tinkering 
gets done behind the scenes.

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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff

On 09/05/2014 11:47 AM, Marvin Kosmal wrote:


Slightly to the left.

How do I configure google mail to let me bottom post?


Mostly I use Thunderbird.  I do have a gmail account, and when I'm 
replying to somebody there I simply move the cursor down to the bottom 
where it belongs.  There may be a way to make that the default, but I've 
never bothered to check.

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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Marvin Kosmal
No ..

You need to recreate all the users accounts on the new install.

HTH

Marvin





On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Bat Phil batphi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for your reply Joe.

 I figured (but didn't make it clear) that I'd have to tell anaconda about
 the existing home partition on the second drive. I was wondering more about
 whether it would then automatically create the pre-existing user accounts
 and whether all previous e-mails and settings would be preserved and
 available under the new install.

 Thanks again
 Phil



 On 5 September 2014 19:36, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/05/2014 11:10 AM, Bat Phil wrote:


 3. Am I correct in my assumption that my mail client (I will be using
 Thunderbird) stores all its e-mails and settings in a hidden directory
 within the home directory?


 ~/.thunderbird to be exact.

  4. If I do a reinstall later, will the OS pick up that I already have
 the home directory structure on a separate drive and automatically
 configure to it or will I have to do a bit of tinkering?


 The installer has no way of knowing how you want your various partitions
 mounted unless you tell it.  To do what you want, you need to create a
 custom partitioning layout, which is quite simple.  You specify what
 partition is mounted where, tell anaconda how you want it formatted or, if
 you want to keep the data, that it's not to be formatted.  Generally
 speaking, /home is the only partition not formatted, but there are
 exceptions, such as if you have a complete drive dedicated to a video
 collection and want it mounted as (let's say) /video.
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Bat Phil
Well that's easy then, I can cope with that.

Thanks again Joe
Phil



On 5 September 2014 19:51, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/05/2014 11:46 AM, Bat Phil wrote:

 I figured (but didn't make it clear) that I'd have to tell anaconda
 about the existing home partition on the second drive. I was wondering
 more about whether it would then automatically create the pre-existing
 user accounts and whether all previous e-mails and settings would be
 preserved and available under the new install.


 No.  Just create them using the same username they had before.  You'll be
 told that /home/NAME already exists and asked if you want to use it, and if
 so do you want to keep the existing data.  All of the tinkering gets done
 behind the scenes.
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Bat Phil
Got it Marvin, cheers

Phil



On 5 September 2014 19:56, Marvin Kosmal mkos...@gmail.com wrote:

 No ..

 You need to recreate all the users accounts on the new install.

 HTH

 Marvin





 On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Bat Phil batphi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for your reply Joe.

 I figured (but didn't make it clear) that I'd have to tell anaconda about
 the existing home partition on the second drive. I was wondering more about
 whether it would then automatically create the pre-existing user
 accounts and whether all previous e-mails and settings would be preserved
 and available under the new install.

 Thanks again
 Phil



 On 5 September 2014 19:36, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/05/2014 11:10 AM, Bat Phil wrote:


 3. Am I correct in my assumption that my mail client (I will be using
 Thunderbird) stores all its e-mails and settings in a hidden directory
 within the home directory?


 ~/.thunderbird to be exact.

  4. If I do a reinstall later, will the OS pick up that I already have
 the home directory structure on a separate drive and automatically
 configure to it or will I have to do a bit of tinkering?


 The installer has no way of knowing how you want your various partitions
 mounted unless you tell it.  To do what you want, you need to create a
 custom partitioning layout, which is quite simple.  You specify what
 partition is mounted where, tell anaconda how you want it formatted or, if
 you want to keep the data, that it's not to be formatted.  Generally
 speaking, /home is the only partition not formatted, but there are
 exceptions, such as if you have a complete drive dedicated to a video
 collection and want it mounted as (let's say) /video.
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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 09/05/14 14:45, Kevin Martin wrote:

I gave up on the version from rpmfusion since they are unable to keep up with 
kernel updates from what I can tell and the akmod
would fail to rebuild.  I downloaded the version from VirtualBox.org, checked 
to see what patches I might need for the kernel I'm
on, patched and built it and it's working flawlessly at this time.  It's 
important to note that Oracle/VirtualBox *also don't tend
to keep up with the kernel versions very well but there are a number of people 
who do figure out where the patches need to be and
submit patches on the forums to get things working.  It's much easier to patch, 
at least I think it is, the virtualbox.org version
than it is to try to de-rpm the rpmfusion version, patch it, and re-rpm it back 
to a state where it can be reinstalled with yum/dnf
and work (temporarily).

Kevin


I had to quit and make a trip to town which accounts for my not 
responding for a while.


I'm confused about what version I'm running. The XFCE menu shows Oracle 
VM VirtualBox. When I tried to RPM install the kmod/akmod stuff it was 
already there. Apparently the Oracle version is what is giving me trouble?


When I select Virtual Machine Manager I can bring up centos7 and it 
seems to work. It looks like I have two versions of VBox? I'm not sure 
how to determine that and don't remember installing either one but 
obviously did. I probably did it while trying to accomplish something 
that needed it and VBox was peripheral to what I was doing, dunno, I'm 
drawing a blank.


Anyway selecting Virtual Machine Manager produces a working VM.

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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Marvin Kosmal
HI

I am not on a fedora box right now but, if memory serves me right.  All
users are kept in /etc/shadow/  and the other file would be /etc/passwd.
If you copies those two files over I believe  you would be OK..

Someone can second this.  I haven't done this in a LONG time.

HTH

Marvin



On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Bat Phil batphi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Got it Marvin, cheers

 Phil



 On 5 September 2014 19:56, Marvin Kosmal mkos...@gmail.com wrote:

 No ..

 You need to recreate all the users accounts on the new install.

 HTH

 Marvin





 On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Bat Phil batphi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for your reply Joe.

 I figured (but didn't make it clear) that I'd have to tell anaconda
 about the existing home partition on the second drive. I was wondering more
 about whether it would then automatically create the pre-existing user
 accounts and whether all previous e-mails and settings would be preserved
 and available under the new install.

 Thanks again
 Phil



 On 5 September 2014 19:36, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/05/2014 11:10 AM, Bat Phil wrote:


 3. Am I correct in my assumption that my mail client (I will be using
 Thunderbird) stores all its e-mails and settings in a hidden directory
 within the home directory?


 ~/.thunderbird to be exact.

  4. If I do a reinstall later, will the OS pick up that I already have
 the home directory structure on a separate drive and automatically
 configure to it or will I have to do a bit of tinkering?


 The installer has no way of knowing how you want your various
 partitions mounted unless you tell it.  To do what you want, you need to
 create a custom partitioning layout, which is quite simple.  You specify
 what partition is mounted where, tell anaconda how you want it formatted
 or, if you want to keep the data, that it's not to be formatted.  Generally
 speaking, /home is the only partition not formatted, but there are
 exceptions, such as if you have a complete drive dedicated to a video
 collection and want it mounted as (let's say) /video.
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 07:10:58PM +0100, Bat Phil wrote:
 1. I am using older hardware - AMD Semperon 3000+ (socket 754), which I
 understand is a 64 bit CPU. Will this run better, worse or no differently
 with the 64 bit OS over the 32 bit?

64 bit. This is mostly because the switch also enables some other CPU
features (like more registers) which make a significant difference. It will
take up a bit more RAM, but generally the other things make it worth it.
 
 2. Currently I have 1Gb DDR400 RAM, although I have some 1Gb modules on
 their way to me so within a few days I'll hopefully have 3Gb (but I may
 have a dodgy DIMM socket so it might only be 2). Will I be able to do a
 graphical install with only the current 1Gb or am I better waiting until
 the new memory arrives?

You can try and see. You'll definitely be happier with more.

 3. Am I correct in my assumption that my mail client (I will be using
 Thunderbird) stores all its e-mails and settings in a hidden directory
 within the home directory?

Skipping this one because I'm not sure about Thunderbird.


 4. If I do a reinstall later, will the OS pick up that I already have the
 home directory structure on a separate drive and automatically configure to
 it or will I have to do a bit of tinkering?

A bit of tweaking. But it's not hard.

 5. Will the reinstalled OS automatically recreate the user accounts based
 on the home directories that exist or will I still need to do that?

If you reinstall, no. If you do an upgrade, yes.

 6. If I need to recreate the user accounts manually, will they
 automatically map to the correct user directories in the existing home
 directory structure or will that be more tinkering?

A little bit of tinkering is necessary. You'll need to make sure you use the
same numeric user IDs and group IDs -- file ownership is really based on the
numbers, and the name is associated by looking in /etc/password. So if the
name matches but the number doesn't, the users won't be able to access their
files.

 7. Besides my data, will the system also be able to access my e-mails,
 user-specific settings, etc. set up within the previous install?

Stuff that's in your home direcory, yes.

 8. If I later upgrade my data drive, is it just a case of copying the
 home directory structure onto the new drive, plug it in and away I go, or
 will I need to configure the OS to recognise the new drive first?

It depends how you configure it in the first place, but usually these days
(and by default in Fedora) the disk mounts are done by partition-specific
UUIDs -- long random-seeming strings. You'll need to find the new one (with
the blkid command or a GUI tool) and update /etc/fstab.

Alternately, you can configure /etc/fstab to mount your home directory based
on something else, including possibly drive letter (iffy, because that can
move around based on the order things are detected) or filesystem label
(which could be set to something like /home).



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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Bat Phil
So it's turning out much as I thought then, some of it will be fairly
transparent, but It'll still need a bit of tinkering / tweaking. Looking
like I'll have to learn about numeric user IDs, group IDs and
partition-specific UUIDs though. But learning is a big part of why I'm
doing this.

Cheers Matthew
Phil



On 5 September 2014 20:31, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 07:10:58PM +0100, Bat Phil wrote:
  1. I am using older hardware - AMD Semperon 3000+ (socket 754), which I
  understand is a 64 bit CPU. Will this run better, worse or no differently
  with the 64 bit OS over the 32 bit?

 64 bit. This is mostly because the switch also enables some other CPU
 features (like more registers) which make a significant difference. It will
 take up a bit more RAM, but generally the other things make it worth it.
 
  2. Currently I have 1Gb DDR400 RAM, although I have some 1Gb modules on
  their way to me so within a few days I'll hopefully have 3Gb (but I may
  have a dodgy DIMM socket so it might only be 2). Will I be able to do a
  graphical install with only the current 1Gb or am I better waiting until
  the new memory arrives?

 You can try and see. You'll definitely be happier with more.

  3. Am I correct in my assumption that my mail client (I will be using
  Thunderbird) stores all its e-mails and settings in a hidden directory
  within the home directory?

 Skipping this one because I'm not sure about Thunderbird.


  4. If I do a reinstall later, will the OS pick up that I already have the
  home directory structure on a separate drive and automatically configure
 to
  it or will I have to do a bit of tinkering?

 A bit of tweaking. But it's not hard.

  5. Will the reinstalled OS automatically recreate the user accounts based
  on the home directories that exist or will I still need to do that?

 If you reinstall, no. If you do an upgrade, yes.

  6. If I need to recreate the user accounts manually, will they
  automatically map to the correct user directories in the existing home
  directory structure or will that be more tinkering?

 A little bit of tinkering is necessary. You'll need to make sure you use
 the
 same numeric user IDs and group IDs -- file ownership is really based on
 the
 numbers, and the name is associated by looking in /etc/password. So if the
 name matches but the number doesn't, the users won't be able to access
 their
 files.

  7. Besides my data, will the system also be able to access my e-mails,
  user-specific settings, etc. set up within the previous install?

 Stuff that's in your home direcory, yes.

  8. If I later upgrade my data drive, is it just a case of copying the
  home directory structure onto the new drive, plug it in and away I go, or
  will I need to configure the OS to recognise the new drive first?

 It depends how you configure it in the first place, but usually these days
 (and by default in Fedora) the disk mounts are done by partition-specific
 UUIDs -- long random-seeming strings. You'll need to find the new one (with
 the blkid command or a GUI tool) and update /etc/fstab.

 Alternately, you can configure /etc/fstab to mount your home directory
 based
 on something else, including possibly drive letter (iffy, because that can
 move around based on the order things are detected) or filesystem label
 (which could be set to something like /home).



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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff

On 09/05/2014 12:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

A little bit of tinkering is necessary. You'll need to make sure you use the
same numeric user IDs and group IDs -- file ownership is really based on the
numbers, and the name is associated by looking in /etc/password. So if the
name matches but the number doesn't, the users won't be able to access their
files.


I'm not sure, but I think that if you reuse an existing home folder and 
tell the setup program not to clear it out, it takes care of that for 
you.  The only time I needed to do this, I just made sure that I created 
the accounts in the same order as before so that they had the same 
UID/GID, which is probably safest.

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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff

On 09/05/2014 12:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

Alternately, you can configure /etc/fstab to mount your home directory based
on something else, including possibly drive letter (iffy, because that can
move around based on the order things are detected) or filesystem label
(which could be set to something like /home).


Even if you're going to use the UUID to mount the partitions, it's not a 
bad idea to label them as well.  That way, you always have an easy to 
understand reminder of what each one is for.

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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Bat Phil
Best thing then is to set up a 2-drive system, put some non-critical data
files in the home directories and try it out then. Although presumably, if
I do manage to balls up the IDs and block the data, then it's just a case
of logging in as root and sorting out permissions??

Cheers
Phil



On 5 September 2014 21:00, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/05/2014 12:31 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

 A little bit of tinkering is necessary. You'll need to make sure you use
 the
 same numeric user IDs and group IDs -- file ownership is really based on
 the
 numbers, and the name is associated by looking in /etc/password. So if the
 name matches but the number doesn't, the users won't be able to access
 their
 files.


 I'm not sure, but I think that if you reuse an existing home folder and
 tell the setup program not to clear it out, it takes care of that for you.
 The only time I needed to do this, I just made sure that I created the
 accounts in the same order as before so that they had the same UID/GID,
 which is probably safest.
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 03:31:38PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
  1. I am using older hardware - AMD Semperon 3000+ (socket 754), which I
  understand is a 64 bit CPU. Will this run better, worse or no differently
  with the 64 bit OS over the 32 bit?
 64 bit. This is mostly because the switch also enables some other CPU
 features (like more registers) which make a significant difference. It will
 take up a bit more RAM, but generally the other things make it worth it.

Ooh, I need to retract this. Owen Taylor just posted some interesting actual
measurements with current F21 Workstation test images (which are Gnome
based). His conclusion is that with under 2GB of RAM, the memory saved by
using 32-bit is actually more of a big deal than the improvements you'd get
from the CPU in 64-bit mode.

See
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-September/010565.html
for details and numbers.

This may be less true with LXDE or another more-lightweight desktop
environment, though.


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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff

On 09/05/2014 01:08 PM, Bat Phil wrote:

Best thing then is to set up a 2-drive system, put some non-critical
data files in the home directories and try it out then. Although
presumably, if I do manage to balls up the IDs and block the data, then
it's just a case of logging in as root and sorting out permissions??


Generally speaking, yes.  Even more important, be sure to back up /home 
before you start this, just to be on the safe side.

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote:
 I'm confused about what version I'm running. The XFCE menu shows Oracle VM
 VirtualBox. When I tried to RPM install the kmod/akmod stuff it was already
 there. Apparently the Oracle version is what is giving me trouble?

yum info `rpm -qa | grep -i virtualbox`

This command will tell you everything you want to know. Also
HelpAbout Virtualbox will also tell you if you are running RPMFusion
version or Oracle's repo VB.

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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Bat Phil
More of clarification than a retraction Paul ;-) but point noted. Sounds
like it won't be a problem once I've upgraded the RAM though.

Cheers
Phil


On 5 September 2014 21:20, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 03:31:38PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
   1. I am using older hardware - AMD Semperon 3000+ (socket 754), which I
   understand is a 64 bit CPU. Will this run better, worse or no
 differently
   with the 64 bit OS over the 32 bit?
  64 bit. This is mostly because the switch also enables some other CPU
  features (like more registers) which make a significant difference. It
 will
  take up a bit more RAM, but generally the other things make it worth it.

 Ooh, I need to retract this. Owen Taylor just posted some interesting
 actual
 measurements with current F21 Workstation test images (which are Gnome
 based). His conclusion is that with under 2GB of RAM, the memory saved by
 using 32-bit is actually more of a big deal than the improvements you'd get
 from the CPU in 64-bit mode.

 See

 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-September/010565.html
 for details and numbers.

 This may be less true with LXDE or another more-lightweight desktop
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Bat Phil
Under normal circumstances yes of course, but at the moment it's just a
case of playing with a system that will only have dummy data on it so it
doesn't matter if I screw things up.

Phil



On 5 September 2014 21:22, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 09/05/2014 01:08 PM, Bat Phil wrote:

 Best thing then is to set up a 2-drive system, put some non-critical
 data files in the home directories and try it out then. Although
 presumably, if I do manage to balls up the IDs and block the data, then
 it's just a case of logging in as root and sorting out permissions??


 Generally speaking, yes.  Even more important, be sure to back up /home
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No mount of Android phone

2014-09-05 Thread Frank Elsner

Helo,

can somebody explain why my Android phone is not mounted?

The relevant lines from /var/loG/messages:

Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.246914] usb 2-1.1: new high-speed USB 
device number 24 using ehci-pci
Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336930] usb 2-1.1: New USB device found, 
idVendor=04e8, idProduct=6860
Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336941] usb 2-1.1: New USB device 
strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4
Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336948] usb 2-1.1: Product: 
SAMSUNG_Android
Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336953] usb 2-1.1: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336958] usb 2-1.1: SerialNumber: 
47900c0910c23100
Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea automount[701]: key DCIM not found in map source(s).
Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea automount[701]: key dcim not found in map source(s).
Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea automount[701]: key DCIM not found in map source(s).
Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea automount[701]: key dcim not found in map source(s).
Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea kernel: [231736.682049] usb 2-1.1: USB disconnect, 
device number 24
Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.860462] usb 2-1.1: new high-speed USB 
device number 25 using ehci-pci
Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947704] usb 2-1.1: New USB device found, 
idVendor=04e8, idProduct=6860
Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947716] usb 2-1.1: New USB device 
strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4
Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947722] usb 2-1.1: Product: 
SAMSUNG_Android
Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947728] usb 2-1.1: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG
Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947733] usb 2-1.1: SerialNumber: 
47900c0910c23100


BTW, automounter is activated for some mount of some NFS exports from my NFS 
server.

Any pointer to get the phone's microSD mounted are welcome.


Kind regards, Frank


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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 09/05/14 16:28, Sudhir Khanger wrote:

yum info `rpm -qa | grep -i virtualbox`

It appears to be rpmfusion:

[bobg@box10 ~]$ yum info `rpm -qa | grep -i virtualbox`
Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit
Installed Packages
Name: VirtualBox
Arch: x86_64
Version : 4.3.14
Release : 1.fc20
Size: 86 M
Repo: installed
From repo   : rpmfusion-free-updates
Summary : A general-purpose full virtualizer for PC hardware
URL : http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox
License : GPLv2 or (GPLv2 and CDDL)
Description : A general-purpose full virtualizer and emulator for 32-bit and
: 64-bit x86 based PC-compatible machines.

Name: VirtualBox-kmodsrc
Arch: x86_64
Version : 4.3.14
Release : 1.fc20
Size: 618 k
Repo: installed
From repo   : rpmfusion-free-updates
Summary : VirtualBox kernel module source code
URL : http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox
License : GPLv2 or (GPLv2 and CDDL)
Description : Source tree used for building kernel module packages 
(VirtualBox-kmod)

: which is generated during the build of main package.

Name: akmod-VirtualBox
Arch: x86_64
Version : 4.3.14
Release : 1.fc20.1
Size: 15 k
Repo: installed
From repo   : rpmfusion-free-updates
Summary : Akmod package for VirtualBox kernel module(s)
URL : http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox
License : GPLv2 or CDDL
Description : This package provides the akmod package for the VirtualBox 
kernel modules.




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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 13:45 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
 On 09/05/2014 11:06 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
  
  On 09/05/14 11:52, Kevin Martin wrote:
  How did you install VirtualBox (via kmod/akmod or from virtualbox.org)?  
  Have you recently updated your kernel?  If you've done the
  latter then you'll need to either reboot and let akmod rebuild a 
  VirtualBox kmod or you'll need to reinstall the VirtualBox app that
  you downloaded from virtualbox.org to get the vboxdrv rebuilt and loaded.
 
  Kevin
  Dunno how but I am certain it was via yum, but from where? I guess what I 
  need to do is find the kmod/akmod version and install
  that. I'm sure the kernel has been updated several times since VBox was 
  installed. And I know from experience that without the auto
  update feature I will have problems.
  
  I wasted my money on a copy of VMware that became useless after most kernel 
  updates, finally gave up trying to deal with that.
  
  Tnx,
  
  Bob
  
 I gave up on the version from rpmfusion since they are unable to keep up with 
 kernel updates from what I can tell and the akmod
 would fail to rebuild.  I downloaded the version from VirtualBox.org, checked 
 to see what patches I might need for the kernel I'm
 on, patched and built it and it's working flawlessly at this time.  It's 
 important to note that Oracle/VirtualBox *also don't tend
 to keep up with the kernel versions very well but there are a number of 
 people who do figure out where the patches need to be and
 submit patches on the forums to get things working.  It's much easier to 
 patch, at least I think it is, the virtualbox.org version
 than it is to try to de-rpm the rpmfusion version, patch it, and re-rpm it 
 back to a state where it can be reinstalled with yum/dnf
 and work (temporarily).
 
 Kevin

Just to be clear: if you keep to the standard Fedora kernels there's no
need to patch anything. VBox Just Works(tm) and updates via yum as it
should. The DKMS stuff takes care of everything else automatically.

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network-manager-applet

2014-09-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
I'm running xfce4 4.10 (yum latest) with the network-manager-applet (also 
latest) installed. When the disto was first installed, the applet was installed 
in the #2 panel at the bottom of the screen. I deleted that panel, but the 
applet did not show up in the #1 panel. So where have I screwed up?  Thanks.
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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 22:02 +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
 On Friday, September 05, 2014 05:02:06 PM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
  Did you get the package from the Fedora repo or from the VirtualBox.org
  repo?
 
 You might be talking about RPMFusion version and Virtualbox.org version. Yes, 
  
 I agree Virtualbox version works better.

IIRC there is actually a Fedora package as well, based on the free
version of VBox. It doesn't support USB devices which is why I use the
Oracle one. The RPMfusion one seems to be problematic to keep up to date
from what various people say.

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Re: No mount of Android phone

2014-09-05 Thread Kevin Martin
On 09/05/2014 03:41 PM, Frank Elsner wrote:
 
 Helo,
 
 can somebody explain why my Android phone is not mounted?
 
 The relevant lines from /var/loG/messages:
 
 Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.246914] usb 2-1.1: new high-speed USB 
 device number 24 using ehci-pci
 Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336930] usb 2-1.1: New USB device 
 found, idVendor=04e8, idProduct=6860
 Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336941] usb 2-1.1: New USB device 
 strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4
 Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336948] usb 2-1.1: Product: 
 SAMSUNG_Android
 Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336953] usb 2-1.1: Manufacturer: 
 SAMSUNG
 Sep  5 22:30:15 pangea kernel: [231733.336958] usb 2-1.1: SerialNumber: 
 47900c0910c23100
 Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea automount[701]: key DCIM not found in map source(s).
 Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea automount[701]: key dcim not found in map source(s).
 Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea automount[701]: key DCIM not found in map source(s).
 Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea automount[701]: key dcim not found in map source(s).
 Sep  5 22:30:18 pangea kernel: [231736.682049] usb 2-1.1: USB disconnect, 
 device number 24
 Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.860462] usb 2-1.1: new high-speed USB 
 device number 25 using ehci-pci
 Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947704] usb 2-1.1: New USB device 
 found, idVendor=04e8, idProduct=6860
 Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947716] usb 2-1.1: New USB device 
 strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4
 Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947722] usb 2-1.1: Product: 
 SAMSUNG_Android
 Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947728] usb 2-1.1: Manufacturer: 
 SAMSUNG
 Sep  5 22:30:19 pangea kernel: [231736.947733] usb 2-1.1: SerialNumber: 
 47900c0910c23100
 
 
 BTW, automounter is activated for some mount of some NFS exports from my NFS 
 server.
 
 Any pointer to get the phone's microSD mounted are welcome.
 
 
 Kind regards, Frank
 
 
 
If you don't have simple-mtpfs installed, install it and run:

simple-mtpfs -l

Once you see your device then you will be able to do a:

simple-mtpfs --device device# mountpoint   (ie if the device number is 1 
and you want to mount to /mnt/phone you would:
simple-mtpfs --device 1 /mnt/phone )

There's probably some way to get this working with the automounter but I'm not 
sure what it would be...this is what I do.

Kevin
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Re: Some newbie questions

2014-09-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 11:47 -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
 How do I configure google mail to let me bottom post?  I googled and
 just
 found references to grease monkey and that didn't get me anywhere.

There's no setting for that, but you can get the effect by selecting the
text to be quoted before hitting Reply. Also, remember to post in plain
text and not HTML on the list.

Or set up a local client such as Evolution or Thunderbird to point to
your Gmail account (using IMAP or POP). You still get the benefit of
Google's spam filtering etc. but makes it easier to handle mailing
lists, which the Google webmail isn't very good at.

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Kevin Martin
On 09/05/2014 05:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 13:45 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
 On 09/05/2014 11:06 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:

 On 09/05/14 11:52, Kevin Martin wrote:
snip
 
 Just to be clear: if you keep to the standard Fedora kernels there's no
 need to patch anything. VBox Just Works(tm) and updates via yum as it
 should. The DKMS stuff takes care of everything else automatically.
 
 poc
 
Standard fedora kernels meaning not rawhide kernels then?

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Re: No mount of Android phone

2014-09-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 22:41 +0200, Frank Elsner wrote:
 can somebody explain why my Android phone is not mounted?

Later versions of Android don't allow this unless the phone is rooted.
You are expected to communicate using a more restricted protocol called
MTP. It's actually very restricted, e.g. you can't overwrite blocks in
the middle of a file. You have to read the file, change it, then write
it back. A package called simple-mtpfs tries to make it look like a
filesystem but it's important to remember that it really isn't.

poc

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Re: network-manager-applet

2014-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff

On 09/05/2014 03:06 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:

I'm running xfce4 4.10 (yum latest) with the network-manager-applet (also 
latest) installed. When the disto was first installed, the applet was installed 
in the #2 panel at the bottom of the screen. I deleted that panel, but the 
applet did not show up in the #1 panel. So where have I screwed up?  Thanks.


You haven't; applets go away when you remove the panel.  Right-click on 
the remaining panel, go to Panel-Add New Items and select the 
network-manager-applet.

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Pete Travis
On Sep 5, 2014 10:07 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA 
bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote:


 On 09/05/14 11:52, Kevin Martin wrote:

 How did you install VirtualBox (via kmod/akmod or from virtualbox.org)?
Have you recently updated your kernel?  If you've done the
 latter then you'll need to either reboot and let akmod rebuild a
VirtualBox kmod or you'll need to reinstall the VirtualBox app that
 you downloaded from virtualbox.org to get the vboxdrv rebuilt and loaded.

 Kevin

 Dunno how but I am certain it was via yum, but from where? I guess what I
need to do is find the kmod/akmod version and install that. I'm sure the
kernel has been updated several times since VBox was installed. And I know
from experience that without the auto update feature I will have problems.

 I wasted my money on a copy of VMware that became useless after most
kernel updates, finally gave up trying to deal with that.

 Tnx,


 Bob

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This sounds like you're just looking for *some* way to run a VM.  Forgive
me if you've been asked before, but why not use the solution built in to
Fedora? QEMU/KVM do a great job and using virt-manager  or GNOME Boxes is
easy.

I can point you to some documentation or help in a dedicated thread if you
are interested.

--Pete
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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:39:37 -0600
Pete Travis wrote:

 This sounds like you're just looking for *some* way to run a VM.

I don't know about him, but some software I need to run in
a Windows 7 VM needs 3D acceleration to work (not fast, just
at all :-).

That doesn't seem to function with QXL/Spice, and I've seen
rumor that virtualbox has a way to do it, so I was thinking
of giving it a try.
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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 19:03 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
 On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:39:37 -0600
 Pete Travis wrote:
 
  This sounds like you're just looking for *some* way to run a VM.
 
 I don't know about him, but some software I need to run in
 a Windows 7 VM needs 3D acceleration to work (not fast, just
 at all :-).
 
 That doesn't seem to function with QXL/Spice, and I've seen
 rumor that virtualbox has a way to do it, so I was thinking
 of giving it a try.

IIRC 3D support in VBox is experimental (you have to enable it in the
control panel), so it may or may not work for you.

poc

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Re: VirtualBox -

2014-09-05 Thread Chris Murphy

On Sep 5, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA 
bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote:

 What am I doing wrong, this shouldn't be so complicated? Or is it?

It think it's complicated. I honestly think you're better off using Boxes, 
which is installed by default with Fedora 20. Maybe also Fedora 19. In any 
case, yum install gnome-boxes. Baring that, even virtual machine manager is 
ultimately less hassle than VirtualBox. However conversely, using VirtualBox on 
Windows or OS X to run Fedora or CentOS is pretty straightforward.

Chris Murphy

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