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On 10/18/14 14:10, John Tall wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>> It happens to be the same for F20.
>>
>> http://ruturaj.net/fedora-20-gnome-3-10-disable-auto-download-of-updates/
> That appears to work except that the setting has since then moved to
> /org/gnome/software and been renamed to download-updates. It's
> unfortunate if there is way to disable it from the regular user
> interface, but dconf is better than nothing. Thank you!
>

Oh, right  You're using F21 and really should have asked the question on 
the "test" list.  I don't use gnome, but I do use google.  :-) :-)


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Re: Disable automatic download of updates

2014-10-17 Thread John Tall

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> It happens to be the same for F20.
>
> http://ruturaj.net/fedora-20-gnome-3-10-disable-auto-download-of-updates/

That appears to work except that the setting has since then moved to
/org/gnome/software and been renamed to download-updates. It's
unfortunate if there is way to disable it from the regular user
interface, but dconf is better than nothing. Thank you!

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Re: GUI that uses RPM Groups?

2014-10-17 Thread Robin Laing


On 2014-10-17 20:12, Kelly Miller wrote:

I've been wondering about this for quite some time, but my recent troubles
with finding a good GUI installer for Fedora 20 has brought it to the
forefront.  Why is it that none of the GUI's for yum & dnf support the old
RPM groups?  Were they left out of yum and PackageKit or something?  And
can someone suggest a good GUI for installing packages?  I find both Apper
and Yumex to be lacking in package structure too much to use, in that the
categories don't show all installable packages and to get all the packages,
you have no choice but to show all packages, with no categorization.  And
I'm trying to avoid having to either go through the large list of packages
or trying to pull the list of packages I need out of my memory.





I use yumex and I have group installs.  At least yum groups.

Not sure what you are looking for in your groups.

I see that other repositories are included in the group view so

Search is very useful when I am looking for something.

Can you give an example of what you are missing from "Group install?"



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Re: Lost grub on EFI BIOS update

2014-10-17 Thread Robin Laing


On 2014-10-17 16:45, Pete Travis wrote:

On Oct 17, 2014 3:57 PM, "sean darcy"  wrote:


I updated the BIOS on an acer EFI laptop. Now there's no grub boot menu,

it just boots to W 8.1.


How do I reinstall grub ?

sean



Maybe you just need to change the boot order?

If not, the next steps vary depending on how you installed.   UEFI mode or
BIOS mode?

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This is a common problem from what I have read if you are using Secure 
Boot.  Mainly with HP laptops.


Not sure how to fix it but I have seen it on searches from the net.

Maybe one of these will help.


http://www.rodsbooks.com/linux-uefi/

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2224303

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB





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Re: Disable automatic download of updates

On 10/18/14 13:50, John Tall wrote:
> Hello.
>
> After installing the Fedora 21 Alpha with GNOME I've found that the system 
> now downloads updates automatically and notifies me when they are ready to be 
> installed. This is a very handy feature, but from what I can tell it looks 
> like the packages are downloaded automatically in the background. I'm often 
> on a mobile hotspot and don't have the capacity to download sometimes 
> hundreds of megabytes of packages. How do I disable the automatic download in 
> Fedora 21?
>
> John
>
>

It happens to be the same for F20.

http://ruturaj.net/fedora-20-gnome-3-10-disable-auto-download-of-updates/

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Disable automatic download of updates

2014-10-17 Thread John Tall

Hello.

After installing the Fedora 21 Alpha with GNOME I've found that the system
now downloads updates automatically and notifies me when they are ready to
be installed. This is a very handy feature, but from what I can tell it
looks like the packages are downloaded automatically in the background. I'm
often on a mobile hotspot and don't have the capacity to download sometimes
hundreds of megabytes of packages. How do I disable the automatic download
in Fedora 21?

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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

On 10/18/14 11:41, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> Btw, I put my output of dmesg, lspci -v and lsmod:
>
> $ dmesg | fpaste
> Uploading (94.3KiB)...
> http://ur1.ca/ieix9 -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/143066/36035301
>
> $ lspci -v | fpaste
> Uploading (8.6KiB)...
> http://ur1.ca/ieixj -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/143068/14136036
>
> $ lsmod | fpaste
> Uploading (5.3KiB)...
> http://ur1.ca/ieixk -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/143069/13603665
>
> in case someone has some idea as to what is going on with this machine, and 
> what the fix could possibly be. 

I notice you've 2 Audio devices.

00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor 
HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
and
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High 
Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)


Is it possible to disable them separately in the BIOS to see if that makes any 
difference?

 
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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:35:18 +0800 Ed Greshko  wrote:

> 
> > Well, I'm using kdm and when I select openbox I don't actually have a 
> > "system tray".  But, I'm not an "openbox" user.  I've tried to reproduce 
> > your problem with xfce and lxde in a VM but was unable to reproduce the 
> > problem.
> 
> OK..
> 
> I used lxpanel to get a "system tray".  I get the same "warning" message that 
> you do when I place the mouse over the pnmixer.  However, I don't get any 
> crash.

Thanks! Let me explain: I get a crash when I log in for the first time. In this 
case, it is autostarted (at the system level). When I use this as a user from 
the commandline, it does not crash: however, upon wakeup from hibernate it does 
crash.

I have this problem with my Dell Precision M3800 laptop.

Funnily enough I do not have an issue with my Dell XPS 13 or Dell E6400 laptops 
or my Dell Precision T7400 workstation (which of course is never hibernated).

The setup is the same for all machines (and in particular identical for all 
three laptops)!

Many thanks again!

Best wishes,
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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

Btw, I put my output of dmesg, lspci -v and lsmod:

$ dmesg | fpaste
Uploading (94.3KiB)...
http://ur1.ca/ieix9 -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/143066/36035301

$ lspci -v | fpaste
Uploading (8.6KiB)...
http://ur1.ca/ieixj -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/143068/14136036

$ lsmod | fpaste
Uploading (5.3KiB)...
http://ur1.ca/ieixk -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/143069/13603665

in case someone has some idea as to what is going on with this machine, and 
what the fix could possibly be. 

Many thanks again and best wishes,
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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:59:14 -0600 jd1008  wrote:

> 
> On 10/17/2014 08:34 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:18:13 +0800 Ed Greshko  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/18/14 10:04, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> >>> Thanks, Ed!
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:57:26 +0800 Ed Greshko  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  On 10/18/14 09:37, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > I have been getting this message when I start pxmixer:
> >
> > (pnmixer:3435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: 
> > assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
> >
> > What is missing? How do I get around it? I am on a fully updated Fedora 
> > 20.
>  What desktop are you using?
> >>> Thanks! I am using openbox as a WM: no DE.
> >> Oh, I've never run openbox with no DE.  I've only run KDE/openbox.
> >>
> >> If I run just openbox and start pnmixer from the command line I don't get 
> >> any error messagesbut I also don't get any GUI for pnmixer.
> > Interesting! Don't you get anything on your system tray?
> >
> I just installed it and when I run it from terminal, I get a speaker 
> (volume control) on the system tray.
> Clicking on that I get a volume level slider, and a Volume Control 
> button, which when clicked
> I get the Volume Control panel, with the tabs
> Playback (Mono, Front Left, Front Right, Alsa Plugin Container, Audio 
> Strean (Firefox icon)
> Recording ...
> Output Devices 
> Input Devices ...
> Configuration 

Yes, this is correct. But it crashes when I log in after boot, or when the 
system comes back upon hibernate (in this case, it crashes the system). When I 
run it from the terminal, it seems to come up "fine" as I mentioned, but I do 
get that error message. I don't like errors in general, but what does it mean? 
Can I get rid of it?

Thanks again!
Best wishes,
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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed


> Well, I'm using kdm and when I select openbox I don't actually have a "system 
> tray".  But, I'm not an "openbox" user.  I've tried to reproduce your problem 
> with xfce and lxde in a VM but was unable to reproduce the problem.

OK..

I used lxpanel to get a "system tray".  I get the same "warning" message that 
you do when I place the mouse over the pnmixer.  However, I don't get any crash.

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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

On 10/18/14 10:34, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:18:13 +0800 Ed Greshko  wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/14 10:04, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>>> Thanks, Ed!
>>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:57:26 +0800 Ed Greshko  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On 10/18/14 09:37, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> I have been getting this message when I start pxmixer:
>
> (pnmixer:3435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: 
> assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
>
> What is missing? How do I get around it? I am on a fully updated Fedora 
> 20.
 What desktop are you using?
>>> Thanks! I am using openbox as a WM: no DE. 
>> Oh, I've never run openbox with no DE.  I've only run KDE/openbox.
>>
>> If I run just openbox and start pnmixer from the command line I don't get 
>> any error messagesbut I also don't get any GUI for pnmixer.
> Interesting! Don't you get anything on your system tray?

Well, I'm using kdm and when I select openbox I don't actually have a "system 
tray".  But, I'm not an "openbox" user.  I've tried to reproduce your problem 
with xfce and lxde in a VM but was unable to reproduce the problem.

>
>
 Is pnmixer failing to run, or are you just getting these message in your 
 terminal session?
>>> pnmixer has been crashing when the machine comes up upon boot. So I decided 
>>> to start this from the terminal. And this is the (only) error message I 
>>> get. What is the issue?
>> From what I recall from your earlier messages, it was failing/crashing on a 
>> restore from hibernation.  Are you now saying it fails/crashes with this 
>> error message all of the time?
> Correct. It crashes now upon boot also. Has been doing this for the past few 
> days. But, but for the error message, appears to come up "fine".
>

Could you try creating a new user and see if the problem exists for that user 
as well?


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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed



On 10/17/2014 08:34 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:18:13 +0800 Ed Greshko  wrote:


On 10/18/14 10:04, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Thanks, Ed!

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:57:26 +0800 Ed Greshko  wrote:


On 10/18/14 09:37, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

I have been getting this message when I start pxmixer:

(pnmixer:3435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 
'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

What is missing? How do I get around it? I am on a fully updated Fedora 20.

What desktop are you using?

Thanks! I am using openbox as a WM: no DE.

Oh, I've never run openbox with no DE.  I've only run KDE/openbox.

If I run just openbox and start pnmixer from the command line I don't get any 
error messagesbut I also don't get any GUI for pnmixer.

Interesting! Don't you get anything on your system tray?

I just installed it and when I run it from terminal, I get a speaker 
(volume control) on the system tray.
Clicking on that I get a volume level slider, and a Volume Control 
button, which when clicked

I get the Volume Control panel, with the tabs
Playback (Mono, Front Left, Front Right, Alsa Plugin Container, Audio 
Strean (Firefox icon)

Recording ...
Output Devices 
Input Devices ...
Configuration 


Is pnmixer failing to run, or are you just getting these message in your 
terminal session?

pnmixer has been crashing when the machine comes up upon boot. So I decided to 
start this from the terminal. And this is the (only) error message I get. What 
is the issue?

 From what I recall from your earlier messages, it was failing/crashing on a 
restore from hibernation.  Are you now saying it fails/crashes with this error 
message all of the time?

Correct. It crashes now upon boot also. Has been doing this for the past few days. But, 
but for the error message, appears to come up "fine".

Thanks again!
Ranjan


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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:18:13 +0800 Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 10/18/14 10:04, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > Thanks, Ed!
> >
> > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:57:26 +0800 Ed Greshko  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/18/14 09:37, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> >>> I have been getting this message when I start pxmixer:
> >>>
> >>> (pnmixer:3435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: 
> >>> assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
> >>>
> >>> What is missing? How do I get around it? I am on a fully updated Fedora 
> >>> 20.
> >> What desktop are you using?
> > Thanks! I am using openbox as a WM: no DE. 
> 
> Oh, I've never run openbox with no DE.  I've only run KDE/openbox.
> 
> If I run just openbox and start pnmixer from the command line I don't get any 
> error messagesbut I also don't get any GUI for pnmixer.

Interesting! Don't you get anything on your system tray?


> >
> >> Is pnmixer failing to run, or are you just getting these message in your 
> >> terminal session?
> > pnmixer has been crashing when the machine comes up upon boot. So I decided 
> > to start this from the terminal. And this is the (only) error message I 
> > get. What is the issue?
> 
> From what I recall from your earlier messages, it was failing/crashing on a 
> restore from hibernation.  Are you now saying it fails/crashes with this 
> error message all of the time?

Correct. It crashes now upon boot also. Has been doing this for the past few 
days. But, but for the error message, appears to come up "fine".

Thanks again!
Ranjan

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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

On 10/18/14 10:04, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> Thanks, Ed!
>
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:57:26 +0800 Ed Greshko  wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/14 09:37, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>>> I have been getting this message when I start pxmixer:
>>>
>>> (pnmixer:3435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 
>>> 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
>>>
>>> What is missing? How do I get around it? I am on a fully updated Fedora 20.
>> What desktop are you using?
> Thanks! I am using openbox as a WM: no DE. 

Oh, I've never run openbox with no DE.  I've only run KDE/openbox.

If I run just openbox and start pnmixer from the command line I don't get any 
error messagesbut I also don't get any GUI for pnmixer.

>
>> Is pnmixer failing to run, or are you just getting these message in your 
>> terminal session?
> pnmixer has been crashing when the machine comes up upon boot. So I decided 
> to start this from the terminal. And this is the (only) error message I get. 
> What is the issue?

From what I recall from your earlier messages, it was failing/crashing on a 
restore from hibernation.  Are you now saying it fails/crashes with this error 
message all of the time?


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GUI that uses RPM Groups?

2014-10-17 Thread Kelly Miller

I've been wondering about this for quite some time, but my recent troubles
with finding a good GUI installer for Fedora 20 has brought it to the
forefront.  Why is it that none of the GUI's for yum & dnf support the old
RPM groups?  Were they left out of yum and PackageKit or something?  And
can someone suggest a good GUI for installing packages?  I find both Apper
and Yumex to be lacking in package structure too much to use, in that the
categories don't show all installable packages and to get all the packages,
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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

Thanks, Ed!

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:57:26 +0800 Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 10/18/14 09:37, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > I have been getting this message when I start pxmixer:
> >
> > (pnmixer:3435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 
> > 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
> >
> > What is missing? How do I get around it? I am on a fully updated Fedora 20.
> What desktop are you using?

Thanks! I am using openbox as a WM: no DE. 

> 
> Is pnmixer failing to run, or are you just getting these message in your 
> terminal session?

pnmixer has been crashing when the machine comes up upon boot. So I decided to 
start this from the terminal. And this is the (only) error message I get. What 
is the issue?

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Re: pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

On 10/18/14 09:37, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> I have been getting this message when I start pxmixer:
>
> (pnmixer:3435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 
> 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
>
> What is missing? How do I get around it? I am on a fully updated Fedora 20.

What desktop are you using?

Is pnmixer failing to run, or are you just getting these message in your 
terminal session?

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pnmixer error message: Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

Hi,

I have been getting this message when I start pxmixer:

(pnmixer:3435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: IA__gdk_window_get_root_coords: assertion 
'GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

What is missing? How do I get around it? I am on a fully updated Fedora 20.

Many thanks,
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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

What I mean is that R has the capability of generating PDFs, and R has
the capability of calculating various goodness of fit measures, but if
you want to check goodness of fit measures against, say, 50 PDFs, then
you have to write the package. It's easier for me to use easyfit than
write the package.

Never having heard of "easyfit" before now, I guess I am confused as to what
you mean when you say fitting a pdf. What is the form of the pdfs that you want to fit?
It is very unusual to want to fit 50 different parametric pdfs, unless what you mean is
something totally different. In that case, have you considered going the (nonparametric)
density estimation route?

Many thanks,
Ranjan

Well, this isn't really a fedora thing, but since I think it's interesting I'll
impose a little longer.

Here's the problem. Let's say you have a set of data and you want to
characterize it in order to use it as the basis of a model. In order to do
that, you really need to know the underlying PDF.

Here are two simple examples that I've run into in the past couple of years.
I'm a forensic pathologist, and investigate unnatural death. One common
problem in the field is the issue of abusive head trauma -- can you tell from
the injuries on a child that the injuries *must* have been caused by another,
or could they be from an accident of some sort.

There has been a great deal of biomechanical modeling involved with this issue.
Some of these models are based on physical measurements of the amount of force
it takes to fracture the skull of a child. One very commonly cited study of
this actually uses a very small data set of donated skulls. The data is
reported as if it were gaussian, but in fact if you look at it, it is a uniform
distribution.

It's a uniform distribution because the investigators took one or two skulls from infants
of varying ages -- and what they are really measuring is the change in skull properties
over time. It's as if they did a study on "average human height" and then took
one sample from humans at each month from birth to 3 years old.

In situations like this, it's important to see and understand the underlying PDF, because they then use the
data *as if it were gaussian* to create biomechanical models. And it's wrong to do that -- it's wrong to
apply the "average" and "standard deviation" of height of people from birth to 3 years
as the supposed "average" height of a newborn baby. If you look at the distribution, the error
becomes obvious.

A second example occurred when a group attempted to apply Benford's Law to look
for bias in manner of death determination in forensic death investigation. The
investigators looked at the number of homicides, suicides, accidents, and
natural deaths in their jurisdiction each month over a period of a couple of
years, and it *seemed* as if it followed Benford's Law.

However, it was an artifact of their workload. My office has about twice their
workload, and the first digit for my practice is scaled by two. The
distribution is really a pretty simple gaussian distribution, and these
distributions tend not to follow Benford's Law. Thus, knowing that the
distribution fits a normal well is an argument that manner determination should
*not* follow Benford's Law. If, however, the data fit something like the gamma
distribution well, it would *not* argue against the applicability of Benford's
law.

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:21:35 + Bill Oliver  wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Rolf Turner wrote:
> 
> >
> > It would be a bit of work, although not an overwhelming intellectual 
> > challenge, to produce an R package that would do essentially the same thing 
> > as "easyfit".  There are a number of questions that would have to be 
> > addressed of course.  E.g. just how do you want/expect the distributions to 
> > be fitted to the data?  Maximum likelihood?  Are all the distributions 
> > dealt 
> > with by "easyfit" amenable to being fitted via maximum likelihood?  And how 
> > is the choice of distribution to be made?
> > AIC?  The "easyfit" web page refers to "goodness of fit tests", which can 
> > be 
> > problematic, or "visual inspection" --- always a good idea, but it too can 
> > be 
> > problematic.
> >
> > Overall I don't think this "press a button and let the software do your 
> > thinking for you" is the right way to go.  If the results matter at all, 
> > you 
> > need to know what you are doing and what pitfalls can lurk to trap the 
> > unwary.
> >
> > I don't understand what you mean by "All the R packages I've seen make you 
> > build your own library of probability density functions and then do the 
> > fitting on each one."  R has a large number of built-in probability density 
> > functions (including *most* of the distributions listed on the "easyfit" 
> > web 
> > page) and most of these can be fitted (via maximum likelihood) using the 
> > fitdistr() function from the MASS package.  The fitdistr() function can fit 
> > essentially any distribution for which a probability density function can 
> > be 
> > written.  Goodness of fit testing is more problematic, but then as I said 
> > that is a problematic topic.
> > Superimposing fitted pdf-s on a histogram of the data for "visual 
> > comparison" 
> > is straightforward.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Rolf Turner
> >
> 
> What I mean is that R has the capability of generating PDFs, and R has
> the capability of calculating various goodness of fit measures, but if
> you want to check goodness of fit measures against, say, 50 PDFs, then
> you have to write the package.  It's easier for me to use easyfit than
> write the package.

Never having heard of "easyfit" before now, I guess I am confused as to what 
you mean when you say fitting a pdf. What is the form of the pdfs that you want 
to fit? It is very unusual to want to fit 50 different parametric pdfs, unless 
what you mean is something totally different. In that case, have you considered 
going the (nonparametric) density estimation route?

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?


On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Rolf Turner wrote:



It would be a bit of work, although not an overwhelming intellectual 
challenge, to produce an R package that would do essentially the same thing 
as "easyfit".  There are a number of questions that would have to be 
addressed of course.  E.g. just how do you want/expect the distributions to 
be fitted to the data?  Maximum likelihood?  Are all the distributions dealt 
with by "easyfit" amenable to being fitted via maximum likelihood?  And how 
is the choice of distribution to be made?
AIC?  The "easyfit" web page refers to "goodness of fit tests", which can be 
problematic, or "visual inspection" --- always a good idea, but it too can be 
problematic.


Overall I don't think this "press a button and let the software do your 
thinking for you" is the right way to go.  If the results matter at all, you 
need to know what you are doing and what pitfalls can lurk to trap the 
unwary.


I don't understand what you mean by "All the R packages I've seen make you 
build your own library of probability density functions and then do the 
fitting on each one."  R has a large number of built-in probability density 
functions (including *most* of the distributions listed on the "easyfit" web 
page) and most of these can be fitted (via maximum likelihood) using the 
fitdistr() function from the MASS package.  The fitdistr() function can fit 
essentially any distribution for which a probability density function can be 
written.  Goodness of fit testing is more problematic, but then as I said 
that is a problematic topic.
Superimposing fitted pdf-s on a histogram of the data for "visual comparison" 
is straightforward.


cheers,

Rolf Turner



What I mean is that R has the capability of generating PDFs, and R has
the capability of calculating various goodness of fit measures, but if
you want to check goodness of fit measures against, say, 50 PDFs, then
you have to write the package.  It's easier for me to use easyfit than
write the package.

This really isn't an issue of "press a button and let the software do
your thinking," it's more like "press a button and calculate 200 distance
measures."  There's no particular virtue in doing the same thing 50
times, one by one.

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

2014-10-17 Thread Rolf Turner


On 18/10/14 12:41, Bill Oliver wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote:


Hi,


On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:30:08 + Bill Oliver 
wrote:



3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year


Just curious: what is this specific statistics package that you use
about four times a year? R can not substitute for this?


R is good, and I love it.  However, fitting distributions is a pain,
because you basically have to do it by hand.  So, I use EasyFit:

http://www.mathwave.com/easyfit-distribution-fitting.html

This makes it a breeze.  I have not been able to find an R package that
does this.  All the R packages I've seen make you build your own library
of probability density functions and then do the fitting on each one.

If you know of a package in R that replicates what easyfit does, I'd
**love** to use it.

Happily, I use it seldom enough that I can keep re-installing and using
the demo.



It would be a bit of work, although not an overwhelming intellectual 
challenge, to produce an R package that would do essentially the same 
thing as "easyfit".  There are a number of questions that would have to 
be addressed of course.  E.g. just how do you want/expect the 
distributions to be fitted to the data?  Maximum likelihood?  Are all 
the distributions dealt with by "easyfit" amenable to being fitted via 
maximum likelihood?  And how is the choice of distribution to be made?
AIC?  The "easyfit" web page refers to "goodness of fit tests", which 
can be problematic, or "visual inspection" --- always a good idea, but 
it too can be problematic.


Overall I don't think this "press a button and let the software do your 
thinking for you" is the right way to go.  If the results matter at all, 
you need to know what you are doing and what pitfalls can lurk to trap 
the unwary.


I don't understand what you mean by "All the R packages I've seen make 
you build your own library of probability density functions and then do 
the fitting on each one."  R has a large number of built-in probability 
density functions (including *most* of the distributions listed on the 
"easyfit" web page) and most of these can be fitted (via maximum 
likelihood) using the fitdistr() function from the MASS package.  The 
fitdistr() function can fit essentially any distribution for which a 
probability density function can be written.  Goodness of fit testing is 
more problematic, but then as I said that is a problematic topic.
Superimposing fitted pdf-s on a histogram of the data for "visual 
comparison" is straightforward.


cheers,

Rolf Turner

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?


On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote:


Hi,


On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:30:08 + Bill Oliver  wrote:



3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year


Just curious: what is this specific statistics package that you use about four 
times a year? R can not substitute for this?

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R is good, and I love it.  However, fitting distributions is a pain, because 
you basically have to do it by hand.  So, I use EasyFit:

http://www.mathwave.com/easyfit-distribution-fitting.html

This makes it a breeze.  I have not been able to find an R package that does 
this.  All the R packages I've seen make you build your own library of 
probability density functions and then do the fitting on each one.

If you know of a package in R that replicates what easyfit does, I'd **love** 
to use it.

Happily, I use it seldom enough that I can keep re-installing and using the 
demo.

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Re: Lost grub on EFI BIOS update

2014-10-17 Thread Pete Travis

On Oct 17, 2014 3:57 PM, "sean darcy"  wrote:
>
> I updated the BIOS on an acer EFI laptop. Now there's no grub boot menu,
it just boots to W 8.1.
>
> How do I reinstall grub ?
>
> sean
>

Maybe you just need to change the boot order?

If not, the next steps vary depending on how you installed.   UEFI mode or
BIOS mode?

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Lost grub on EFI BIOS update

2014-10-17 Thread sean darcy

I updated the BIOS on an acer EFI laptop. Now there's no grub boot menu, 
it just boots to W 8.1.


How do I reinstall grub ?

sean

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

2014-10-17 Thread Heinz Diehl

On 17.10.2014, Joachim Backes wrote: 

> Let me give a résumé: unfortunately, some time Win is needed, especially
> for such PDF stuff.

yum install xournal

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5tFTW: Fedora Council, L10N Zanata, FUDCon LATAM, Taskotron, and Retrace improvements (2014-10-17)

2014-10-17 Thread Matthew Miller

Reposted from .

Fedora is a big project, and it’s hard to keep up with everything that
goes on. This series highlights interesting happenings in five
different areas every week. It isn’t comprehensive news coverage — just
quick summaries with links to each. Here are the five things for
October 17th, 2014:


Introducing the Fedora Council
--

Last week, the Fedora Project Board unanimously approved its
replacement, a new top-level leadership and governance body we’re
calling the *Fedora Council*. Read more about it in John Rose’s
announcement message, and our previous Fedora Magazine article about
upcoming elections.

This didn’t happen overnight — Christoph Wickert, Toshio Kuratomi, Josh
Boyer, and others have been talking about this and working on related
proposals for the last couple of years, and Toshio and Haïkel Guémar
led a great session at Flock — Fedora’s big annual planning conference
— this August. We’ve been thinking about and discussing what to do ever
since, and now it’s time to put the result into action!

  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board
  * http://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-governance-proposal-approved/
  * http://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-council-elections-coming-soon/
  * http://flock2014.sched.org/event/9d2f47d741d92f1ddf559bb918dcb2d1


Translation team switches to Zanata
---

Fedora’s L10N team — the *L-10-N* is short for localization, because
there are 10 missing letters there — does an amazing job of translating
our software to dozens of different languages. (If you’re a Fedora user
who speaks a language other than English, this is a great and fun way
to get involved, by the way — see the steps to join in the Fedora
Localization Guide.)

All of this work is accomplished using some specialized tools. For a
long time, Fedora has used Transifex, a project by Dimitris Glezos
which actually grew out of Fedora. Unfortunately, recent versions of
Transifex are not open source. As a project, we always prefer to work
with open source tools whenever possible, and the L10N team started a
project to migrate to a different and completely free and open source
tool, Zanata.

Last week, all translation teams for different languages discussed and
voted whether to move ahead with this, and the result was 19 “Go” votes
and none against. With the active contributor community overwhelmingly
in favor, it’s an easy decision to go forward, and according to the
plan, the new “stage 1″ service should be live any day now.

  * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N
  * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Guide
  * https://www.transifex.com/
  * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Move_To_Zanata
  * http://zanata.org/
  * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2014-October/011635.html


FUDCon Managua 2015
---

This year’s FUDCon — that’s Fedora User and Developer Conference — in
Latin America will in in Managua, Nicaragua next week. Organizer
Neville Cross tipped off 5tFTW with a few particularly interesting
notes:

- Robotics will rock FUDCon: Valentin Basel will present on a
  Fedora-based robot, and lead a session on building from parts.
  (See this video from FUDCon Panamá 2011.)

- Small computers will be big: the FUDCon team is bringing
  Raspberry Pi and Arduino boards to demonstrate.

- FUDCon on TV: The Fedora revolution *will* be televised!

  * http://roadtofudconlatam.org/robotic-will-rock-fudcon/
  * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Q9aMywkg8
  * http://roadtofudconlatam.org/small-computers-will-be-big-at-fudcon/
  * http://roadtofudconlatam.org/fudcon-and-fedora-on-tv/


New QA Automation framework goes live
-

As I’m sure everyone knows by now, the Fedora 21 cycle has been one of
our longest ever. We did this on purpose, and one of the primary
reasons was to give our Quality Assurance team time to work on tooling
and infrastructure rather than just cycling through tests over and
over. This has borne fruit, and our new QA automation framework
Taskotron has gone live, replacing AutoQA] for checks on package
updates.

Right now, the effect on end users and developers is very small, but
the change will enable many more important features in the near future,
including user-submitted tests to run automatically. This will
increasingly offload repetitive testing tasks so that humans time can
be focused where it’s most valuable, resulting in an even better Fedora
going forward.

  * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA
  * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Taskotron
  * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2014-October/123327.html


Upgraded Retrace Server includes CentOS collaboration
-

This is another infrastructure thing which sounds kind like it might be
boring but which also will pay off in a better, more bug-free Fedora.
The Retrace/ABRT Server debugging tool which generates u

Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

2014-10-17 Thread Doug

On 10/17/2014 11:05 AM, poma wrote:
> On 17.10.2014 13:33, Joachim Backes wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> this is a general question concerning LINUX and the Adobe Reader. In a
>> German Computer Magazine (C't) I read today that the acroread support
>> for linux obviously stops at version 9.5.5.
>>
> 
> Since when article came out, you got a link?
> 
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-July/451167.html
> 
> 
> poma
> 
> 

I thought that Adobe Reader was going to be supported in Chrome, which you can 
run in Linux. Is this no longer true?

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

On 10/17/2014 06:23 PM, jd1008 wrote:
> 
> On 10/17/2014 09:54 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
>> On 10/17/2014 05:46 PM, jd1008 wrote:
>>> On 10/17/2014 05:33 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
 Hi all,

 this is a general question concerning LINUX and the Adobe Reader. In a
 German Computer Magazine (C't) I read today that the acroread support
 for linux obviously stops at version 9.5.5.

 I'm using acroread for outfillable forms containing columns with
 computations. So my question: does anybody know any pdf tool in LINUX
 supporting forms having columns with computations?

 Evince for example is able to fill out pdf forms, but cannot perform
 computations.
>> This is the reason (and was part of my very first question in this  thread).
>>
 Kind regards

 Joachim Backes

>>> Why don;t you install evince??
>>>
>>
> FWIW, you might also be interested in
> pdfedit-0.4.5-11.fc20.x86_64
> qpdf-5.1.1-1.fc20.x86_64
> qpdfview-0.4.11-1.fc20.x86_64
> xpdf-3.04-2.fc20.x86_64
> pdf-tools-0.29a-15.fc20.noarch
> texlive-pdftex-bin-svn30845.0-5.20131226_r32488.fc20.x86_64
> texlive-pst-pdf-bin-svn7838.0-5.20131226_r32488.fc20.noarch
> texlive-thumbpdf-bin-svn6898.0-5.20131226_r32488.fc20.noarch
> 

Hi jd1008,

thank you for your hints, but installing FoxitReaderPortable (following
Poma's proposal) solved all problems.

Kind regards

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?



On 10/17/2014 09:54 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:

On 10/17/2014 05:46 PM, jd1008 wrote:

On 10/17/2014 05:33 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:

Hi all,

this is a general question concerning LINUX and the Adobe Reader. In a
German Computer Magazine (C't) I read today that the acroread support
for linux obviously stops at version 9.5.5.

I'm using acroread for outfillable forms containing columns with
computations. So my question: does anybody know any pdf tool in LINUX
supporting forms having columns with computations?

Evince for example is able to fill out pdf forms, but cannot perform
computations.

This is the reason (and was part of my very first question in this  thread).


Kind regards

Joachim Backes


Why don;t you install evince??




FWIW, you might also be interested in
pdfedit-0.4.5-11.fc20.x86_64
qpdf-5.1.1-1.fc20.x86_64
qpdfview-0.4.11-1.fc20.x86_64
xpdf-3.04-2.fc20.x86_64
pdf-tools-0.29a-15.fc20.noarch
texlive-pdftex-bin-svn30845.0-5.20131226_r32488.fc20.x86_64
texlive-pst-pdf-bin-svn7838.0-5.20131226_r32488.fc20.noarch
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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

On 10/17/2014 05:46 PM, jd1008 wrote:
> 
> On 10/17/2014 05:33 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> this is a general question concerning LINUX and the Adobe Reader. In a
>> German Computer Magazine (C't) I read today that the acroread support
>> for linux obviously stops at version 9.5.5.
>>
>> I'm using acroread for outfillable forms containing columns with
>> computations. So my question: does anybody know any pdf tool in LINUX
>> supporting forms having columns with computations?
>>
>> Evince for example is able to fill out pdf forms, but cannot perform
>> computations.

This is the reason (and was part of my very first question in this  thread).

>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Joachim Backes
>>
> Why don;t you install evince??
> 


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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?



On 10/17/2014 05:33 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:

Hi all,

this is a general question concerning LINUX and the Adobe Reader. In a
German Computer Magazine (C't) I read today that the acroread support
for linux obviously stops at version 9.5.5.

I'm using acroread for outfillable forms containing columns with
computations. So my question: does anybody know any pdf tool in LINUX
supporting forms having columns with computations?

Evince for example is able to fill out pdf forms, but cannot perform
computations.

Kind regards

Joachim Backes


Why don;t you install evince??

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

On 10/17/2014 05:05 PM, poma wrote:
> On 17.10.2014 13:33, Joachim Backes wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> this is a general question concerning LINUX and the Adobe Reader. In a
>> German Computer Magazine (C't) I read today that the acroread support
>> for linux obviously stops at version 9.5.5.
>>
> 
> Since when article came out, you got a link?
> 
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-July/451167.html
> 
> 
> poma
> 
> 

Hi Poma,

your proposal is wonderful. I can now open PDF using forms with
computable columns. Exactly what I need.

Thank you! Ciao.

Kind regards

Joachim Backes

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Re: Swapping the number of 2 partitions



On 10/16/2014 11:12 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 16Oct2014 22:44, jd1008  wrote:

Could you explain _why_ you want to renumber the partitions? Does
something have a hardwired desire to use "partition 1" or something?


I think I need to do it because the windows partition for some reason
will not boot as partition 2 even though the boot.ini was edited to look
in partition 2  instead of partition 2.

So, I restored boot.init to look into partition 1, and then I will 
try to boot windows
from the grub2 menu (which I have also edited to look into msdos1 
instead of msdos2.


Not sure it will work, but worth a try.
I might save me a reinstall.


Don't forget to keep a copy of the partition table dump file when you 
dump it with sfdisk. That way if there is some disaster in your edit 
you can put the original back.


And don't forget that sfdisk is terribly easy to misuse. I always 
quake with fear of overwriting the partition table instead of dumping 
it. Read the manual entry carefully (it has examples, and this same 
warning) and ensure you have the command line options right.


Nonetheless, it is still terrible useful.

Thanx. Good advice.



Cheers,
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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

2014-10-17 Thread poma

On 17.10.2014 17:25, av wrote:
> 
> 
> On 17/10/14 17:05, poma wrote:
>> On 17.10.2014 13:33, Joachim Backes wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> this is a general question concerning LINUX and the Adobe Reader. In a
>>> German Computer Magazine (C't) I read today that the acroread support
>>> for linux obviously stops at version 9.5.5.
>>>
>>
>> Since when article came out, you got a link?
>>
>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-July/451167.html
> 
> http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Adobe-beerdigt-seinen-PDF-Reader-fuer-Linux-2411054.html
> 
> AV
> 

Ich sehe durch das datum, dass sie sehr auf dem neuesten stand. :)
Ich bin schneller als sie nicht mehr und nicht weniger als 4 monaten.


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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

2014-10-17 Thread av




On 17/10/14 17:05, poma wrote:

On 17.10.2014 13:33, Joachim Backes wrote:

Hi all,

this is a general question concerning LINUX and the Adobe Reader. In a
German Computer Magazine (C't) I read today that the acroread support
for linux obviously stops at version 9.5.5.



Since when article came out, you got a link?

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-July/451167.html


http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Adobe-beerdigt-seinen-PDF-Reader-fuer-Linux-2411054.html

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Re: [389-users] custom object classes and attributes

2014-10-17 Thread Mark Reynolds


On 10/17/2014 10:25 AM, Chase Miller wrote:
> Hello,
>
> So I have a development ldap server up and running with all of my
> custom object classes and attributes.  Now, is there a way to export
> these and import them on my new production boxes, so I don't have to
> re-create all of them.
Chase,

All of our custom schema should be located in the file
/etc/dirsrv/slapd-INSTANCE/schema/99user.ldif

You can just copy this file to a new server instance and restart the
server(or run the schema-reload task

)

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

2014-10-17 Thread poma

On 17.10.2014 13:33, Joachim Backes wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> this is a general question concerning LINUX and the Adobe Reader. In a
> German Computer Magazine (C't) I read today that the acroread support
> for linux obviously stops at version 9.5.5.
> 

Since when article came out, you got a link?

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-July/451167.html


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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

Hi,


On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:30:08 + Bill Oliver  wrote:


> 3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year

Just curious: what is this specific statistics package that you use about four 
times a year? R can not substitute for this?

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

2014-10-17 Thread poma

On 17.10.2014 16:49, Joachim Backes wrote:
> On 10/17/2014 04:30 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:
>>
>>> Funny, one sees these questions on the lists of all distros 
>>>
>>> With regards to filling-in form, sometimes one can manage around it, like 
>>> Silvia wrote.
>>> But when it comes to official PDF's from (regional) gouvernements, TAXes, 
>>> etc etc, that are digitally signed, only acrobats seems to work.
>>> And forget about using wine.
>>>
>>> Only _really_ working solutions are either dual-boot, or a virtual-machine 
>>> desktop.
>>> Or perhaps a joined effort during Google summer event?
>>>
>>> Alas.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I run into this a lot, being a guvm'nt official.  The Linux tools are 
>> pretty good for opening *most* things, but when it gets to these embedded 
>> forms and such they just don't work all the time.  I keep an old $15 copy of 
>> XP in virtualbox mostly so I can run Adobe Reader when I have to.
>>
>> But, things have changed a lot over the years, so I'm still pretty happy.  I 
>> can remember a decade or so ago when you *had* to have a dual-boot machine 
>> because about half your stuff *had* to be done in Windows.  Then came 
>> virtualization, so you don't have to reboot every time.  Then, over the 
>> years, it became less and less necessary to use Windows for specific 
>> application needs -- the increase in availability and quality of open-source 
>> stuff on the linux side in the past decade is wondrous to behold.
>>
>> Now, I only bring up Windows for four things:
>>
>> 1) A few PDF forms.
>> 2) To preview Powerpoint presentations to make sure the formatting will
>> work right with the obligatory Windows machines at meetings
>> 3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year
>> 4) One specific 3D photogrammetry package that I haven't used in awhile
>>
>> Basically, I crank up Windows about once a week now.  Quite the change from 
>> 1995.
>>
>> But, I do it -- and this PDF thing is one of the reaons. If it weren't for 
>> PDFs, I'd run Windows just once every month or two...
>>
>> billo
>>
> 
> Let me give a résumé: unfortunately, some time Win is needed, especially
> for such PDF stuff. I thought I could forget my win7 virtual box, but it
> seems sometimes even win has it's advantages :-(
> 

Try with this 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-July/451151.html
and let us know if it works for you.


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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

On 10/17/2014 04:30 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:
> 
>> Funny, one sees these questions on the lists of all distros 
>>
>> With regards to filling-in form, sometimes one can manage around it, like 
>> Silvia wrote.
>> But when it comes to official PDF's from (regional) gouvernements, TAXes, 
>> etc etc, that are digitally signed, only acrobats seems to work.
>> And forget about using wine.
>>
>> Only _really_ working solutions are either dual-boot, or a virtual-machine 
>> desktop.
>> Or perhaps a joined effort during Google summer event?
>>
>> Alas.
>>
> 
> 
> Yeah, I run into this a lot, being a guvm'nt official.  The Linux tools are 
> pretty good for opening *most* things, but when it gets to these embedded 
> forms and such they just don't work all the time.  I keep an old $15 copy of 
> XP in virtualbox mostly so I can run Adobe Reader when I have to.
> 
> But, things have changed a lot over the years, so I'm still pretty happy.  I 
> can remember a decade or so ago when you *had* to have a dual-boot machine 
> because about half your stuff *had* to be done in Windows.  Then came 
> virtualization, so you don't have to reboot every time.  Then, over the 
> years, it became less and less necessary to use Windows for specific 
> application needs -- the increase in availability and quality of open-source 
> stuff on the linux side in the past decade is wondrous to behold.
> 
> Now, I only bring up Windows for four things:
> 
> 1) A few PDF forms.
> 2) To preview Powerpoint presentations to make sure the formatting will
> work right with the obligatory Windows machines at meetings
> 3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year
> 4) One specific 3D photogrammetry package that I haven't used in awhile
> 
> Basically, I crank up Windows about once a week now.  Quite the change from 
> 1995.
> 
> But, I do it -- and this PDF thing is one of the reaons. If it weren't for 
> PDFs, I'd run Windows just once every month or two...
> 
> billo
> 

Let me give a résumé: unfortunately, some time Win is needed, especially
for such PDF stuff. I thought I could forget my win7 virtual box, but it
seems sometimes even win has it's advantages :-(

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RE: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?


On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:


Funny, one sees these questions on the lists of all distros 

With regards to filling-in form, sometimes one can manage around it, like 
Silvia wrote.
But when it comes to official PDF's from (regional) gouvernements, TAXes, etc 
etc, that are digitally signed, only acrobats seems to work.
And forget about using wine.

Only _really_ working solutions are either dual-boot, or a virtual-machine 
desktop.
Or perhaps a joined effort during Google summer event?

Alas.




Yeah, I run into this a lot, being a guvm'nt official.  The Linux tools are 
pretty good for opening *most* things, but when it gets to these embedded forms 
and such they just don't work all the time.  I keep an old $15 copy of XP in 
virtualbox mostly so I can run Adobe Reader when I have to.

But, things have changed a lot over the years, so I'm still pretty happy.  I 
can remember a decade or so ago when you *had* to have a dual-boot machine 
because about half your stuff *had* to be done in Windows.  Then came 
virtualization, so you don't have to reboot every time.  Then, over the years, 
it became less and less necessary to use Windows for specific application needs 
-- the increase in availability and quality of open-source stuff on the linux 
side in the past decade is wondrous to behold.

Now, I only bring up Windows for four things:

1) A few PDF forms.
2) To preview Powerpoint presentations to make sure the formatting will
work right with the obligatory Windows machines at meetings
3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year
4) One specific 3D photogrammetry package that I haven't used in awhile

Basically, I crank up Windows about once a week now.  Quite the change from 
1995.

But, I do it -- and this PDF thing is one of the reaons. If it weren't for 
PDFs, I'd run Windows just once every month or two...

billo
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RE: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

2014-10-17 Thread J.Witvliet

Funny, one sees these questions on the lists of all distros 

With regards to filling-in form, sometimes one can manage around it, like 
Silvia wrote.
But when it comes to official PDF's from (regional) gouvernements, TAXes, etc 
etc, that are digitally signed, only acrobats seems to work.
And forget about using wine.

Only _really_ working solutions are either dual-boot, or a virtual-machine 
desktop.
Or perhaps a joined effort during Google summer event?

Alas.

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Subject: Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

Use  "pdf import"  tool.  It's a Libreoffice addon.  That tool allows you to 
open your pdfs, edit them and save them as odg or export  them as pdf again.
Another useful  tool is Okular, which is a stand alone for pdf.


Hope it helps,
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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

On 10/17/2014 03:15 PM, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
> Use  "pdf import"  tool.  It's a Libreoffice addon.  That tool allows
> you to open your pdfs, edit them and save them as odg or export  them
> as pdf again.
> Another useful  tool is Okular, which is a stand alone for pdf.
> 
> 
> Hope it helps,
> Sylvia
> 

Hi Silvia,

I tried the tools you mentioned here at least 1 year ago:

1. As you already said, the Libreoffice pdf import opens an odg dok,
   but it does not import correctly ===> use evince!
2. By using okular, even form fields cannot be filled out, so it's
   better to use evince too :-) (at least for filling out ther fields)

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Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?

2014-10-17 Thread Sylvia Sánchez

Use  "pdf import"  tool.  It's a Libreoffice addon.  That tool allows
you to open your pdfs, edit them and save them as odg or export  them
as pdf again.
Another useful  tool is Okular, which is a stand alone for pdf.


Hope it helps,
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Re: yum failure. [SOLVED]

2014-10-17 Thread Bill Mattison

> For future reference The reason you had to execute the commands 
one by one is due to the nature of the one line command given to you.
> The && in the one liner is a conditional. The next command in line 
will only be executed if the previous command returns an exit code of 0.
> If you want to be assured that all commands are executed you'd 
replace the && with ;.


Thank-you, Ed.  Now that you say that, it looks curiously like the 
logical "and" used in C++ "if" and loop-control statements! :-[


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