Re: Network printer out of ink weirdness

2015-02-24 Thread Jim Lewis

 On 23.02.2015 22:44, Jim Lewis wrote:

 On 23.02.2015 21:25, Jim Lewis wrote:

 On 22.02.2015 22:17, Jim Lewis wrote:
 ...
  What did I miss? I did not do anything to the printer during this
 time.


 WLAN  AP devices are?


I'm using the 5G side of my new Netgear R6200v2 router. I'm on Time
 Warner in Oahu using an Arris Surfboard SB6183 modem. No special
 configuration except for DHCP reservations. As I mentioned before it
 can print fine now, wirelessly, but I had to change to the wired
 interface to clear out the printer out-of-ink error condition. This
 sure sounds like a bug to me. However, this is on Fedora 20 and has
 possibly already been corrected. The Fedora 21s didn't have a problem,
 nor did Fedora 14 (but it's wired only).


 Jim Lewis



 That is AP/router, but what is Wi-Fi device on Fedora machine?
 lsusb/lspci


   Sorry Poma, this is on a Lenovo ThinkPad T500. From lspci:

 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN
 [Shiloh] Network Connection

  It is using the iwlwifi driver.



 Jim Lewis



 Kernel and firmware versions are the same for 21/20, if updated, but not
 NM versions.
 You can try this,
 - make dir
 # mkdir /etc/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service.d
 - make conf file therein, to debug NM
 /etc/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service.d/debug.conf
 [Service]
 ExecStart=
 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon --debug
 - di dam di da
 # systemctl daemon-reload
 # systemctl restart NetworkManager
 - observe e.g.
 # journalctl -b -u NetworkManager -f

 man 1 journalctl

 If you find something interesting
 https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list


  Wow, it never occurred to me that this might be a NetworkManager foul
up. I'll have this ready in case this happens again. Thanks!


Jim Lewis


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Re: How to change display resolution after installing proprietary NVidia drivers?

2015-02-24 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote:

 # nvidia-settings

 ERROR: libnvidia-gtk3.so.346.35: cannot open shared object file: No such
 file


You got me on this one. I ran ldd on my nvidia-settings binary, and I
don't see this library referenced anywhere.

As a guess, you might have a version mismatch. If the nvidia-settings
binary comes from one version of the driver, and the libraries from
another, there could be a mismatch in the name of the library vs. what the
binary expects to find. It does look like nvidia-settings is looking for a
very specific version of that library.

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Re: Problems while installing NVdivia proprietary drivers

2015-02-24 Thread Joe Zeff

On 02/24/2015 11:12 AM, Paul Smith wrote:

I have installed the NVidia property drivers from RPMFusion
repositories, inside a text session.


There are several different guides for that, some better than others. 
Which one did you use?


BTW, if you really need to get rid of them and start fresh, do this from 
a CLI as root:


yum remove \*nvidia\*

This will get rid of everything nvidia-related so that when you reboot, 
you're back where you started.

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Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:40 AM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Provide flexibilty for users who would want schemes other than anaconda's
 defaults and very limited partitioning options.

Flexibility is not inherently a public good in its own right. It comes
with costs, typically exponential.

Storage stacks are no longer so simple as they once were, and I'm
willing to bet dollars to donuts that self-described power users
don't know a lot of those fundamentals especially when it comes to
multiple device storage. Therefore I'll argue increasingly even the
power user isn't actually benefitting from customization.



 Seems to me anacaonda is heading the way of a closed tool that assumes
 one hat fits all.

Please stop saying this until you can state exactly what hat you want
that the installer doesn't provide.

 And we used to think that commercially purchased
 software was limited and restrictive!Strange how the open source
 is heading into the same direction.

Because functionality doesn't grow on trees? This is approaching
ridiculous (if not past it), and you know what ridiculous means?
Deserving of ridicule. Are you ready?


 So, you want to tell people: first partition your drive with some other
 tools before you use anaconda to install Fedora, and then?

It's called a point and shoot installer. Once the media is prepared,
you point the installer to the target(s) created in the previous
utility, and the system is installed. Not rocket science, not
complicated, not new. This is how Apple has done it since forever.


 Newbies might not even know that Anaconda might still decide to
 take it's own default and clobber whatever the user did as far as
 pre-partitioning.

If you leave enough free space, yes guided installation will use that
and ignore precreated things, hence the pre-partitioning is neither
clobbered nor used. In every other case the user becomes complicit in
the clobbering (reclaim space or assigning mount points).



 In fact the very first option displayed by anaconda
 is to use anaconda's default partitioning scheme. Even if anaconda
 will warn the user of what it will clobber, many newbies will not
 necessarily understand the consequences.

It only installs to free space. If all free space is taken, then you
could argue reclaim space UI is cryptic for newbies because it deals
with the esoterics of literal partitions, and combines passive
determination of user intent into a single UI. The user needs to
understand, and then convey, what the details of what they want to do
(recognize partition purposes, select the right one, delete or resize
it) before the installer knows intent rather than the reverse.

The old UI sorta did this part better because you could explicitly
tell it to replace an existing linux OS, or erase the whole drive. It
had some (rudimentary) semblance of use case selection before
involving the user in the details. So this could be seen as a
regression.

But that's an argument in favor of going farther with the paradigm new
UI has overall opted for; to make things simpler, capable, less
complicate, less esoteric, more stable, and yes less manual. Seriously
get over it, manual control is overrated!

Manual shift vs automatic shift. The automatics now have better gas
mileage so that argument is lost. The CVTs are in every way better
than shift or fixed ratio automatic shift transmissions. Anaconda has
some room before it's a CVT, but the idea that manual control in and
of itself is better or a good or a right or proper, it's absurd. I'll
beat that dead horse into horse burgers.


 Myself, I always know how to tell anaconda I will manually partition
 the drive, without resorting to external tools.
 But I cannot assume that ALL other people have the know-how to
 manually partition their drives.

Nor should they. Check the partitioning of a mobile device, it has
more than a dozen partitions, the user doesn't need to be involved in
this at all yet they benefit. It is possible to have an overall better
experience, faster development, less bugs, but giving up this
senseless emotional attachment to manual partitioning just for the
sake of control.


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Re: Problems while installing NVdivia proprietary drivers

2015-02-24 Thread Doug

On 02/24/2015 02:19 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com 
mailto:phh...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear All,

I have installed the NVidia property drivers from RPMFusion
repositories, inside a text session.

Afterwards, I ran as root:

nvidia-xconfig

and rebooted.

However, no X session is started after the reboot. Could someone
please give some help?


There's a reason that the packages came from RPM Fusion and not Fedora, namely 
they are binary proprietary drivers. Therefore it is generally inappropriate to 
seek support here.

You could start with the RPM Fusion users mailing list but depending on what 
your issue is it may be better to try the Nvidia forums.

Thanks,
Richard



Ran into a problem like that with PCLOS. I was advised to do the following:

From the commandline boot, sign on as root. Then do:

apt-get install dkms-nvidia340

XFdrake -auto

reboot

This may work OK for you, since both are rpm systems.

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Re: Network printer out of ink weirdness

2015-02-24 Thread poma
On 23.02.2015 22:44, Jim Lewis wrote:
 
 On 23.02.2015 21:25, Jim Lewis wrote:

 On 22.02.2015 22:17, Jim Lewis wrote:
 ...
  What did I miss? I did not do anything to the printer during this
 time.


 WLAN  AP devices are?


I'm using the 5G side of my new Netgear R6200v2 router. I'm on Time
 Warner in Oahu using an Arris Surfboard SB6183 modem. No special
 configuration except for DHCP reservations. As I mentioned before it
 can print fine now, wirelessly, but I had to change to the wired
 interface to clear out the printer out-of-ink error condition. This
 sure sounds like a bug to me. However, this is on Fedora 20 and has
 possibly already been corrected. The Fedora 21s didn't have a problem,
 nor did Fedora 14 (but it's wired only).


 Jim Lewis



 That is AP/router, but what is Wi-Fi device on Fedora machine?
 lsusb/lspci

 
   Sorry Poma, this is on a Lenovo ThinkPad T500. From lspci:
 
 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN
 [Shiloh] Network Connection
 
  It is using the iwlwifi driver.
 
 
 
 Jim Lewis
 
 

Kernel and firmware versions are the same for 21/20, if updated, but not NM 
versions.
You can try this,
- make dir
# mkdir /etc/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service.d
- make conf file therein, to debug NM
/etc/systemd/system/NetworkManager.service.d/debug.conf
[Service]
ExecStart=
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon --debug
- di dam di da
# systemctl daemon-reload
# systemctl restart NetworkManager
- observe e.g.
# journalctl -b -u NetworkManager -f

man 1 journalctl

If you find something interesting
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list


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Re: fedora netinstall

2015-02-24 Thread François Patte
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Le 24/02/2015 00:00, Ed Greshko a écrit :
 
 On 02/24/15 06:45, François Patte wrote:
 Bonjour,
 
 
 I can read on this page:
 
 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Installation_Guide/chap-downloading-fedora.html

  quote
 
 netinstall Image The netinstall image boots directly into the
 installation environment, and uses the online Fedora package
 repositories as the installation source. With a netinstall image,
 you can select a wide variety of packages to create a customized
 installation of Fedora. The Fedora Server netinstall image is a
 universal one, and can be used to install any Fedora flavor or
 your own set of favorite packages.
 
 /quote
 
 No link is provided So what poor people like me can do?
 
 Thanks for any light.
 
 https://getfedora.org/en/server/download/
 
 Has the links to the Netinstall Images

OK! Thanks! *But* it is only for fedora server

Where can we clearly find a *real* doc on what is inside the package
we download, what will the installer install on our computer if we
choose workstation or server or What softwares. The download
fedora web page is now so light that we cannot know all these things!
Do Fedora people think that we so stupid that we cannot understand or
choose our tools to work with?

This looks like M$ philosophy: put the install CD/DVD in your drive
and let big brother take care of you!


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Where are libssl and libssl-dev/devel or their equivalents on fedora ?

2015-02-24 Thread Aaron Gray
Hi,

Where are libssl and libssl-dev/devel or their equivalents on fedora ?

Sorry I am confused !


Many thanks in advance,

Aaron
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libaugeas0 equivalent on Fedora

2015-02-24 Thread Aaron Gray
Hi,

I am using F20 and am wondering if there is an equivalent to Debian's
libaugeas0 or libaugeas ?

Or whether I have to build it for myself ?

Many thanks in advance,

Aaron
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Re: libaugeas0 equivalent on Fedora

2015-02-24 Thread Aaron Gray
On 24 February 2015 at 12:07, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:51:11 +, Aaron Gray wrote:

 Hi,

 I am using F20 and am wondering if there is an equivalent to Debian's
 libaugeas0 or libaugeas ?

 Have you searched the packages available in the default repos?
 For example, with yum search augeas.

 A similar answer to your other thread
 Where are libssl and libssl-dev/devel or their equivalents on fedora ?

I found the .so file for it in readline-devel

Thanks,

Aaron
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filesystem errors

2015-02-24 Thread Andras Simon
Recently, I noticed messages like the following on two laptops with
very different hardware, but both running Fedora 21, updated daily:

/var/log/messages-20150216:Feb 12 18:47:36 lenov kernel:
[181055.262390] EXT4-fs error (device sda3): __ext4_new_inode:1010:
comm NetworkManager: failed to insert inode 262402: doubly allocated?
/var/log/messages-20150224:Feb 23 21:54:30 lenov kernel:
[510707.869736] EXT4-fs error (device sda3):
ext4_mb_generate_buddy:757: group 34, block bitmap and bg descriptor
inconsistent: 15366 vs 15373 free clusters

On both machines, the affected partition is the root partition. The
problem is bad enough that it needs an fsck from a rescue disk.
smartctl -a /dev/sda doesn't signal any error, but the disks failing
on different machines simultaneously is unlikely anyway, especially
that this happened  sometime in January, too, also with the same
laptops, also roughly at the same time.

I don't know if this is relevant, but both laptops are hibernated usually.

Has anyone else noticed something like this?

Andras
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Re: fedora netinstall

2015-02-24 Thread Ed Greshko

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On 02/24/15 19:18, François Patte wrote:
 Le 24/02/2015 00:00, Ed Greshko a écrit :

  On 02/24/15 06:45, François Patte wrote:
  Bonjour,


  I can read on this page:

  http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Installation_Guide/chap-downloading-fedora.html

   quote

  netinstall Image The netinstall image boots directly into the
  installation environment, and uses the online Fedora package
  repositories as the installation source. With a netinstall image,
  you can select a wide variety of packages to create a customized
  installation of Fedora. The Fedora Server netinstall image is a
  universal one, and can be used to install any Fedora flavor or
  your own set of favorite packages.

  /quote

  No link is provided So what poor people like me can do?

  Thanks for any light.

  https://getfedora.org/en/server/download/

  Has the links to the Netinstall Images

 OK! Thanks! *But* it is only for fedora server

 Where can we clearly find a *real* doc on what is inside the package
 we download, what will the installer install on our computer if we
 choose workstation or server or What softwares. The download
 fedora web page is now so light that we cannot know all these things!
 Do Fedora people think that we so stupid that we cannot understand or
 choose our tools to work with?

 This looks like M$ philosophy: put the install CD/DVD in your drive
 and let big brother take care of you!


Did you actually try to go though the install process?
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Re: libaugeas0 equivalent on Fedora

2015-02-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:51:11 +, Aaron Gray wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I am using F20 and am wondering if there is an equivalent to Debian's
 libaugeas0 or libaugeas ?

Have you searched the packages available in the default repos?
For example, with yum search augeas.

A similar answer to your other thread
Where are libssl and libssl-dev/devel or their equivalents on fedora ?
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Re: libaugeas0 equivalent on Fedora

2015-02-24 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/24/15 19:51, Aaron Gray wrote:
 Hi,

 I am using F20 and am wondering if there is an equivalent to Debian's
 libaugeas0 or libaugeas ?

 Or whether I have to build it for myself ?

 Many thanks in advance,

 Aaron

yum whatprovides */libaugeas*

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Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 02/23/2015 10:15 PM, Pete Travis wrote:


On Feb 23, 2015 1:26 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com



I don't think it came up in
this thread, but I've seen partition ordering cited in this context as
well:  user wants /boot on sda1, / on sda2, /home on sda3, /opt on sda5,
/usr/local on /sda6, and so on.  In most of those cases, there wasn't a
technical reason for this or some automated code with partition
expectations - just arbitrary preference.

Not quite. Sometimes there are technical reasons.

E.g. Some (all?) BIOSes aren't able to boot from non-primary partitions. 
With a preinstalled WinXP often having occupied 3 primary partitions 
(BOOT, WIN, RECOVER), Installing more than one Linux, required you to 
install a linux boot partition as the 4th primary partition.


Similar restriction apply elsewhere. E.g. I have an older BIOS system 
which for (at least to me) unknown reasons refuses to boot from 
chained/cascaded grub partitions beyond some disk-limits.


In more complex multiboot configurations (e.g. several different linux 
distros, several releases of the same distro, several different 
configurations of the same distro), other aspects come into play, which 
more or less are personal preference, such as keeping an OSs' partitions 
consecutively together, whether to share or not to share boot or swap 
partitions etc.


Experience tells, any sharing, such as sharing grub or swap partitions, 
will fail in longer terms - Unfortunately, some distros' installers by 
default do so and automatically try to reuse such partitions (IIRC, 
anaconda still does so, till today)



So really, if this stuff bothers you,  sit down, come up with a rational
justification for the feature  you want, and send it in.  Most
developers in this space do listen, but the normal rules of polite human
interaction and rational discourse do apply. Because that's that I
want isn't a good way to ask for someone else's time.
But the converse applies: A tool which doesn't suffice my needs, will 
not be my choice and will loose me as a customer


Ralf


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Re: What happened to the leading edge?

2015-02-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 07:47:11 -0600
Richard Shaw wrote:

 Your timing is impecable! Coin 3 just finished the review process and
 updated submitted.
 
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=665733

And it only took 4 years :-). Looks like Mono 3 may be in
fedora 22.
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Re: What happened to the leading edge?

2015-02-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:31:03 +0100
Ralf Corsepius wrote:

 Out of curiosity: What does FreeCAD need Coin3 for?

I forget the specific error, but there was a header it tries
to include in some code that doesn't exist in Coin2. It may
have had inventor in the filename, but I don't remember for sure.
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Re: What happened to the leading edge?

2015-02-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 02/24/2015 01:39 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

I thought Fedora tried to stay up to date with latest
released software?

I just tried to build FreeCAD 0.15 from git, but it
needs Coin3, and fedora only has Coin2.


Coin package maintainer speaking
Just like Richard said (after 4 years of lingering in Fedora's review 
queue), Coin3 is just about to land.

/Coin package maintainer speaking

Out of curiosity: What does FreeCAD need Coin3 for?

Coin3 only offers very few features, Coin2 does not supply. Almost all 
cases, I've encountered packages which claim to require Coin2, actually 
did so thanks to lack of better upstream knowledge. Many of them 
actually require an SGI-Inventor API-compatible library and do not 
require Coin at all


[Coin originally is an SGI-Inventor clone, imitating the 
SGI-Inventor-2.1. API, originating from times, when SGI-Inventor was 
closed source, with a few features added.]



What happened to that pioneering spirit? :-).

biting sarcasm
It has never existed?
/biting sarcasm

Ralf

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Re: fedora netinstall

2015-02-24 Thread François Patte
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Le 24/02/2015 13:10, Ed Greshko a écrit :
 
 On 02/24/15 19:18, François Patte wrote:
 Le 24/02/2015 00:00, Ed Greshko a écrit :
 
 On 02/24/15 06:45, François Patte wrote:
 Bonjour,
 
 
 I can read on this page:
 
 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Installation_Guide/chap-downloading-fedora.html

  quote
 
 netinstall Image The netinstall image boots directly into
 the installation environment, and uses the online Fedora
 package repositories as the installation source. With a
 netinstall image, you can select a wide variety of packages
 to create a customized installation of Fedora. The Fedora
 Server netinstall image is a universal one, and can be used
 to install any Fedora flavor or your own set of favorite
 packages.
 
 /quote
 
 No link is provided So what poor people like me can do?
 
 Thanks for any light.
 
 https://getfedora.org/en/server/download/
 
 Has the links to the Netinstall Images
 
 OK! Thanks! *But* it is only for fedora server
 
 Where can we clearly find a *real* doc on what is inside the
 package we download, what will the installer install on our
 computer if we choose workstation or server or What
 softwares. The download fedora web page is now so light that we
 cannot know all these things! Do Fedora people think that we so
 stupid that we cannot understand or choose our tools to work
 with?
 
 This looks like M$ philosophy: put the install CD/DVD in your
 drive and let big brother take care of you!
 
 
 Did you actually try to go though the install process?

Nope! And I did not download the netinstall iso: 1.9 Gb 1 hour to
download For what? Maybe something I do not need? Why can't we
find *clear* information on what is provided *before* downloading?


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Re: fedora netinstall

2015-02-24 Thread Pete Travis
On 02/24/2015 06:35 AM, François Patte wrote:
 Le 24/02/2015 13:10, Ed Greshko a écrit :

  On 02/24/15 19:18, François Patte wrote:
  Le 24/02/2015 00:00, Ed Greshko a écrit :

  On 02/24/15 06:45, François Patte wrote:
  Bonjour,


  I can read on this page:

 
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Installation_Guide/chap-downloading-fedora.html

   quote

  (trim) The Fedora
  Server netinstall image is a universal one, and can be used
  to install any Fedora flavor or your own set of favorite
  packages.

  /quote


 Nope! And I did not download the netinstall iso: 1.9 Gb 1 hour to
 download For what? Maybe something I do not need? Why can't we
 find *clear* information on what is provided *before* downloading?



Reread the thread so far, maybe it will help.

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Re: Where are libssl and libssl-dev/devel or their equivalents on fedora ?

2015-02-24 Thread Aaron Gray
sorry for the noise !

On 24 February 2015 at 11:48, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Where are libssl and libssl-dev/devel or their equivalents on fedora ?

 Sorry I am confused !


 Many thanks in advance,

 Aaron
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How to change display resolution after installing proprietary NVidia drivers?

2015-02-24 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All,

I have install

NVIDIA propriety drivers

on Fedora 21.

And now I need to change the display resolution. How can I do that?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: How to change display resolution after installing proprietary NVidia drivers?

2015-02-24 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote:


 NVIDIA propriety drivers

 on Fedora 21.

 And now I need to change the display resolution.


Use the nvidia-settings GUI tool.

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Re: How to change display resolution after installing proprietary NVidia drivers?

2015-02-24 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote:

 NVIDIA propriety drivers

 on Fedora 21.

 And now I need to change the display resolution.

 Use the nvidia-settings GUI tool.


Thanks, Greg. I tried that, but got the following errors:


# nvidia-settings

ERROR: libnvidia-gtk3.so.346.35: cannot open shared object file: No such file
   or directory
   libnvidia-gtk3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
   directory
   libnvidia-gtk2.so.346.35: cannot open shared object file: No such file
   or directory
   libnvidia-gtk2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
   directory


ERROR: A problem occured when loading the GUI library. Please check your
   installation and library path. You may need to specify this library when
   calling nvidia-settings. Please run `nvidia-settings --help` for usage
   information.

#


Any further idea?

Paul
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Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread jd1008


On 02/23/2015 04:23 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:

On 02/23/2015 01:13 PM, jd1008 wrote:

I think it does make sense, because users would like to custom
partition the drive(s) and live with that partitioning scheme for
many years. So, all such options should be made available.
A responder to this thread mentioned that there should be an
expert mode in Anaconda where the user accepts all the
consequences of her/his choice(s).


What is the benefit of having anaconda worry about *creating* these
partitioning schemes (for lack of a better term)?

Provide flexibilty for users who would want schemes other than anaconda's
defaults and very limited partitioning options.
Seems to me anacaonda is heading the way of a closed tool that assumes
one hat fits all.
And we used to think that commercially purchased
software was limited and restrictive!Strange how the open source
is heading into the same direction.


Wouldn't it be better to ask people to use the regular tools in a live
media environment for anything other than a very basic scheme and save
anaconda dev time for ensuring that it is able to *use* as many pre-
existing schemes as possible as reliably as possible?


So, you want to tell people: first partition your drive with some other
tools before you use anaconda to install Fedora, and then?
Newbies might not even know that Anaconda might still decide to
take it's own default and clobber whatever the user did as far as
pre-partitioning. In fact the very first option displayed by anaconda
is to use anaconda's default partitioning scheme. Even if anaconda
will warn the user of what it will clobber, many newbies will not
necessarily understand the consequences.
Myself, I always know how to tell anaconda I will manually partition
the drive, without resorting to external tools.
But I cannot assume that ALL other people have the know-how to
manually partition their drives.

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Re: You would like this one on Amazon

2015-02-24 Thread Joe Zeff

On 02/24/2015 10:31 AM, Mickey wrote:


It is about Fedora.


Publishing date: August 9, 2004.  Not exactly relevant.
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Re: You would like this one on Amazon

2015-02-24 Thread Derrik Walker v2.0
I did say it was kinda off topic, but still interesting ... He does have a
point.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote:

 On 02/24/2015 10:31 AM, Mickey wrote:


 It is about Fedora.


 Publishing date: August 9, 2004.  Not exactly relevant.
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Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread Pete Travis
On Feb 24, 2015 11:40 AM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote:


 On 02/23/2015 04:23 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:

 On 02/23/2015 01:13 PM, jd1008 wrote:

 I think it does make sense, because users would like to custom
 partition the drive(s) and live with that partitioning scheme for
 many years. So, all such options should be made available.
 A responder to this thread mentioned that there should be an
 expert mode in Anaconda where the user accepts all the
 consequences of her/his choice(s).


 What is the benefit of having anaconda worry about *creating* these
 partitioning schemes (for lack of a better term)?

 Provide flexibilty for users who would want schemes other than anaconda's
 defaults and very limited partitioning options.
 Seems to me anacaonda is heading the way of a closed tool that assumes
 one hat fits all.
 And we used to think that commercially purchased
 software was limited and restrictive!Strange how the open source
 is heading into the same direction.


 Wouldn't it be better to ask people to use the regular tools in a live
 media environment for anything other than a very basic scheme and save
 anaconda dev time for ensuring that it is able to *use* as many pre-
 existing schemes as possible as reliably as possible?

 So, you want to tell people: first partition your drive with some other
 tools before you use anaconda to install Fedora, and then?
 Newbies might not even know that Anaconda might still decide to
 take it's own default and clobber whatever the user did as far as
 pre-partitioning. In fact the very first option displayed by anaconda
 is to use anaconda's default partitioning scheme. Even if anaconda
 will warn the user of what it will clobber, many newbies will not
 necessarily understand the consequences.
 Myself, I always know how to tell anaconda I will manually partition
 the drive, without resorting to external tools.
 But I cannot assume that ALL other people have the know-how to
 manually partition their drives.


 --


Usually newbies don't need to custom partition their drives.  Usually when
newbies do pre-partition their drives, it is because they have some
misconception that it was necessary, as in they thought I want to also
install Fedora on this computer, so I will create one partition to install
Fedora on - not knowing that one partition for an installation of any
Linux distribution falls somewhere between terrible idea and not
supported , and always has.  Maybe they're getting ideas like that from
non-specific mailing list rants, or maybe it's just routine, forgivable
ignorance.

For most all new user partitioning issues I've encountered, I've offered
the same advice:  Stop doing that, make unallocated space, use the
installer to do your partitioning, partition automatically if you are
confused.  Following this advice has resulted in a functional Fedora
installation and happy user *every time* - with *one* exception: users who
had, in the past, for reasons of personal preference or ignorance, created
four primary partitions on an MBR drive.   Since this thread has gone on a
while, I'll close the loop:  the only situation where I have seen
anaconda's partitioning fail a newbie user is the caused by the very
feature that the original poster is requesting.

So, what, concretely, is your complaint?  Please share what circumstances
you envision a new user encountering that would merit your antagonism, so
that it can be addresses in either documentation or code.

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Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:

 E.g. Some (all?) BIOSes aren't able to boot from non-primary partitions.

I'm pretty sure it's a non-factor if GRUB is used because GRUB
boot.img (formerly stage1) in the first 440 bytes is just jump code to
core.img. It doesn't depend on partitions or the setting of the active
flag at all. The limitation might be how big an LBA value it can jump
to however, but AFAIK any BIOS in the last ~5 years has 64bit LBA
support, while drives are still only 48-bit. I'd think it's quite an
old computer for firmware to have less than 48-bit LBA support.

For extlinux, yes this is probably an issue because it uses a handful
of generic code sets for LBA0's first 440 bytes, which depend on the
active flag being set on a primary partition.


 With a preinstalled WinXP often having occupied 3 primary partitions (BOOT,
 WIN, RECOVER), Installing more than one Linux, required you to install a
 linux boot partition as the 4th primary partition.

I haven't seen this because in such a case GRUB's ~440 bytes boot.img
replaces the Windows code in LBA 0, which instructs a jump to core.img
which typically starts at LBA1 (the start of the MBR gap). Once
core.img is loaded, GRUB can now read a partition table and filesystem
directly, and can find its modules even on an extended partition (even
inside LVM, or LVM on RAID even if it's degraded - it's really kinda
amazing).


 Similar restriction apply elsewhere. E.g. I have an older BIOS system which
 for (at least to me) unknown reasons refuses to boot from chained/cascaded
 grub partitions beyond some disk-limits.

Quite old, either 28-bit LBA limit, or maybe BIOS that still only
groks CHS. This is probably in the realm of the crusty INT 13H stuff.


 In more complex multiboot configurations (e.g. several different linux
 distros, several releases of the same distro, several different
 configurations of the same distro), other aspects come into play, which more
 or less are personal preference, such as keeping an OSs' partitions
 consecutively together, whether to share or not to share boot or swap
 partitions etc.

Right and this cannot possibly be supported by Fedora absent an agreed
upon boot specification. There are attempts, but even our own GRUB
patches in the form of bls.mod to implement the freedesktop.org
bootloaderspec, does not exactly conform to the spec and ends up
having various problems. So we don't interoperate very well with
ourselves, we don't interoperate within either of the two bootloader
spec variants, we don't have multiple distro support. And GRUB
upstream doesn't really seem to care that much about the problem
either or it would be entirely solved there.

Even if all of that were surmounted, and we had a ratified spec and
everyone said they'd conform, we'd still have the reality of doing the
implementation work, which is non-trivial and involves more than just
GRUB. So... this knowledge acts as an scary inhibitor to even going
down the road of settling on a spec, I think.





 Experience tells, any sharing, such as sharing grub or swap partitions, will
 fail in longer terms - Unfortunately, some distros' installers by default do
 so and automatically try to reuse such partitions (IIRC, anaconda still does
 so, till today)

 So really, if this stuff bothers you,  sit down, come up with a rational
 justification for the feature  you want, and send it in.  Most
 developers in this space do listen, but the normal rules of polite human
 interaction and rational discourse do apply. Because that's that I
 want isn't a good way to ask for someone else's time.

 But the converse applies: A tool which doesn't suffice my needs, will not
 be my choice and will loose me as a customer

Yes, but it's a 60+ email thread and the people complaining about
Anaconda Manual Partitioning, especially the custom isn't custom
claim, haven't produced any examples or bugs of what they want to do
that the installer won't allow.

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You would like this one on Amazon

2015-02-24 Thread Mickey

I know this is off topic,  But it is to good to pass up.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067232721X/ref%3Dpe_snp_21X/104-7269783-8922317
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Re: You would like this one on Amazon

2015-02-24 Thread Derrik Walker v2.0
It's legitimate.



On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Fred Smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us
wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:52:15PM -0500, Mickey wrote:
  I know this is off topic,  But it is to good to pass up.
 
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067232721X/ref%3Dpe_snp_21X/104-7269783-8922317

 Is this spam/phising, or is it something legitimate?

 I don't recognize the (alleged) sender, so I'm not clicking that
 link directly.

 but I did search for 104-7269783-8922317 on amazon and found a short video
 all you need to know about testosterone in 104 seconds.

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Re: You would like this one on Amazon

2015-02-24 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:52:15PM -0500, Mickey wrote:
 I know this is off topic,  But it is to good to pass up.
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067232721X/ref%3Dpe_snp_21X/104-7269783-8922317

Is this spam/phising, or is it something legitimate?

I don't recognize the (alleged) sender, so I'm not clicking that
link directly.

but I did search for 104-7269783-8922317 on amazon and found a short video
all you need to know about testosterone in 104 seconds.

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Re: You would like this one on Amazon

2015-02-24 Thread Kevin Cummings
Seems Amazon is still selling the book:

Red Hat Fedora 2 Unleashed

On 02/24/2015 01:17 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:52:15PM -0500, Mickey wrote:
 I know this is off topic,  But it is to good to pass up.

 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067232721X/ref%3Dpe_snp_21X/104-7269783-8922317
 
 Is this spam/phising, or is it something legitimate?
 
 I don't recognize the (alleged) sender, so I'm not clicking that
 link directly.
 
 but I did search for 104-7269783-8922317 on amazon and found a short video
 all you need to know about testosterone in 104 seconds.
 

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Re: You would like this one on Amazon

2015-02-24 Thread Mickey


On 02/24/2015 01:17 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:52:15PM -0500, Mickey wrote:

I know this is off topic,  But it is to good to pass up.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067232721X/ref%3Dpe_snp_21X/104-7269783-8922317

Is this spam/phising, or is it something legitimate?

I don't recognize the (alleged) sender, so I'm not clicking that
link directly.

but I did search for 104-7269783-8922317 on amazon and found a short video
all you need to know about testosterone in 104 seconds.



Sure Amazon deals in Spam.

It is about Fedora.
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Re: You would like this one on Amazon

2015-02-24 Thread Joe Zeff

On 02/24/2015 10:41 AM, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote:

I did say it was kinda off topic, but still interesting ... He does have
a point.


Yes, but if he wears a hat, nobody will notice.
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Problems while installing NVdivia proprietary drivers

2015-02-24 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All,

I have installed the NVidia property drivers from RPMFusion
repositories, inside a text session.

Afterwards, I ran as root:

nvidia-xconfig

and rebooted.

However, no X session is started after the reboot. Could someone
please give some help?

Thanks in advance,

Paul
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Re: Problems while installing NVdivia proprietary drivers

2015-02-24 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear All,

 I have installed the NVidia property drivers from RPMFusion
 repositories, inside a text session.

 Afterwards, I ran as root:

 nvidia-xconfig

 and rebooted.

 However, no X session is started after the reboot. Could someone
 please give some help?


There's a reason that the packages came from RPM Fusion and not Fedora,
namely they are binary proprietary drivers. Therefore it is generally
inappropriate to seek support here.

You could start with the RPM Fusion users mailing list but depending on
what your issue is it may be better to try the Nvidia forums.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: You would like this one on Amazon

2015-02-24 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 13:41 -0500, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote:
 I did say it was kinda off topic, but still interesting ... He does
 have a point.

So, are you both Derrik and Mickey?

I ask, because looking at the messages from the two of you, there's a
crossover of, he said and, I said.

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All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists.

George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
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Re: Problems while installing NVdivia proprietary drivers

2015-02-24 Thread Joel Gomberg

On 02/24/2015 11:12 AM, Paul Smith wrote:

Dear All,

I have installed the NVidia property drivers from RPMFusion
repositories, inside a text session.

Afterwards, I ran as root:

nvidia-xconfig

and rebooted.

However, no X session is started after the reboot. Could someone
please give some help?


You don't give very much information, but I'd guess that you installed the wrong 
version of the Nvidia drivers for your card.  RPM Fusion has a guide:


http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia?highlight=%28CategoryHowto%29



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Re: [389-users] Passsync not changing passwords

2015-02-24 Thread Noriko Hosoi

On 02/24/2015 03:38 PM, Daniel Franciscus wrote:
So I finally figured out the problem in case anyone ever comes across 
this again.


In order for a password filter to register and to actually capture 
password changes on a server, the filename of the DLL must in this 
key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\Notification 
Packages. After searching the entire registry on both of my domain 
controllers for the string passhook I saw that the one that was 
working had passhook in this key and the one that was not working did 
not. This key is set during installation of passsync, so for whatever 
reason the passsync installation on the non working DC was not able to 
add that value. I added the value manually, rebooted and it works.


Just thought you should know in case you ever see this again.

Thanks again for your help though, it pointed me in the direction I 
needed.

Hello Daniel,

Thank you so much for your investigation and sharing the result with 
us.  Yes, 'passhook' is supposed to be set in the registry, but somehow 
it was not...  I'm going to add your finding to the FAQ/troubleshooting 
on our wiki port389.org.

PassSync.wxs
RegistryKey Id='NotPkgs' Root='HKLM' 
Key='SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Lsa' ForceCreateOnInstall='yes' 
  RegistryValue Name='Notification Packages' 
Type='multiString' Value='passhook'/

/RegistryKey

Thanks!
--noriko




Dan Franciscus

Systems Administrator

Information Technology Group

Institute for Advanced Study

609-734-8138




*From: *Noriko Hosoi nho...@redhat.com
*To: *389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:01:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [389-users] Passsync not changing passwords

On 02/18/2015 05:17 AM, Daniel Franciscus wrote:

Hello,

We have two Windows server 2003 domain controllers and I installed
passsync on both servers in order to sync password changes to our
389 LDAP. On one domain controller, it appears passsync is working
correctly as I can see in the passsync.log when I change a
password through that domain controller. On the other domain
controller, when I change a password I do not see any activity in
the passsync.log at all. I have passsync on both domain
controllers set to verbose logging. I also restarted both domain
controllers after installing passsync.

On the domain controller that is not syncing passwords the log
appears as:

02/18/15 07:52:59: PassSync service initialized
02/18/15 07:52:59: PassSync service running
02/18/15 07:52:59: No entries yet
02/18/15 07:52:59: Password list is empty.  Waiting for passhook event

Does anyone have an idea of what the issue could be?

What is the version of PassSync?  The latest is 1.1.6.
http://www.port389.org/docs/389ds/releases/release-passsync-1-1-6.html

Did yo have a chance to enable passhook log?

In the regedit, go to: HKEY_LOCAK_MACHINE -- SOFTWARE\PasswordSync
then, set 1 to Log Level.

If you add or modify a password on the Windows Server 2003 domain 
cotroller, what do you get?  Any errors?




Dan Franciscus

Systems Administrator

Information Technology Group

Institute for Advanced Study

609-734-8138





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Re: Problems while installing NVdivia proprietary drivers

2015-02-24 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Joel Gomberg oakli...@sonic.net wrote:

 I have installed the NVidia property drivers from RPMFusion
 repositories, inside a text session.

 Afterwards, I ran as root:

 nvidia-xconfig

 and rebooted.

 However, no X session is started after the reboot. Could someone
 please give some help?

 You don't give very much information, but I'd guess that you installed the
 wrong version of the Nvidia drivers for your card.  RPM Fusion has a guide:

 http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia?highlight=%28CategoryHowto%29

Thanks, Joel, so much. Indeed, I had installed the wrong version of
the Nvidia drivers for my card. Now, I have the Nvidia drivers working
perfectly on my machine.

Paul
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