Re: Fedora 25 (rawhide) disallows dnf upgrades due to certificate problems

[stan]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 04:55:01 + (UTC)
George R Goffe  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have been getting these messages about certificates for several
> weeks and have filed bug reports. Red Hat is unwilling or unable to
> give me a definitive resolution to the problem. Seemingly, my Fedora
> 25 (rawhide) system has started refusing to accept upgrades.

It would be surprising if Red Hat gave a resolution to a problem with
Fedora.  :-)

> 
> Any/all hints, tips, suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[snip]

A couple things:

1. From a recent thread, about F26, that might have bearing on your
problem,

"
This is a known issue the gpg key that is shipped in the
fedora-repos-25-3.noarch has an temporary key that was killed, work is
in progress to fix this, see
https://keys.fedoraproject.org/pks/lookup?op=get=0x812A6B4B64DAB85D
curl the static key for this one and rpm --import it and try again.
"

2. F25 hasn't been rawhide for quite some time.  Perhaps you should
install the F25 release packages,

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=814876

and the F25 repos?

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=865227

Fedora rawhide is currently the future F27.
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Fedora 25 (rawhide) disallows dnf upgrades due to certificate problems

[George R Goffe]

Hi,

I have been getting these messages about certificates for several weeks and 
have filed bug reports. Red Hat is unwilling or unable to give me a definitive 
resolution to the problem. Seemingly, my Fedora 25 (rawhide) system has started 
refusing to accept upgrades.

Any/all hints, tips, suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

George...

Downloading Packages:
[SKIPPED] qrmumps-2.0-6.fc26.x86_64.rpm: Already downloaded 

[SKIPPED] texlive-pdftex-doc-svn41149-32.fc26.1.noarch.rpm: Already downloaded  

[SKIPPED] openblas-srpm-macros-1-1.fc27.noarch.rpm: Already downloaded  

(4/1751): python3-gpg-1.8.0-12.fc26.x86_64.rpm  
 252 kB/s | 178 kB 00:00
(5/1751): plplot-data-5.11.1-13.fc26.noarch.rpm 
 475 kB/s | 946 kB 00:01

(6/1751): python3-ipython-5.3.0-4.fc27.noarch.rpm   
 547 kB/s | 844 kB 00:01  


  
[MIRROR] python3-appdirs-1.4.0-10.fc26.noarch.rpm: Curl error (60): Peer 
certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates for 
https://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/pub/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/p/python3-appdirs-1.4.0-10.fc26.noarch.rpm
 [Peer's certificate issuer has been marked as not trusted by the user.]

[FAILED] python3-appdirs-1.4.0-10.fc26.noarch.rpm: No more mirrors to try - All 
mirrors were already tried without success  
(8-9/1751): boost-fiber-1.63.0-5.fc27.x86_64.rpm 0% [   
   ] 776 kB/s | 3.6 MB 91:33 ETA
Cleaning up.
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[stan]

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:38:07 +1030
Tim  wrote:

> Way back in the past, I used to do that kind of thing, but found that
> my PCs struggled with moderately large hosts files, never mind one
> that big.  It made all domain name look-ups slow, as it everything
> had to trawl through that hosts file, first.
> 
> Whether that's still an issue, I don't know.  But, instead, I ended up
> doing the same thing with my local DNS server, instead, it offloaded
> the burden to a central point, to software that was designed to be
> good at DNS resolutions.  So one thing in my LAN takes care of all my
> computers.

[snip]

Thanks for an interesting read.
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Tim]

stan:
>> One thing I know slows down browsing is the way sites outsource much
>> of their content.  The browser has to access many sites on the web to
>> put together a page for you to view.  Blocking this as much as
>> possible not only speeds up page loading, but also hinders tracking
>> sites.

Peter SkensvedL:
>   mvps is your friend here :
> 
> http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm 

Way back in the past, I used to do that kind of thing, but found that my
PCs struggled with moderately large hosts files, never mind one that
big.  It made all domain name look-ups slow, as it everything had to
trawl through that hosts file, first.

Whether that's still an issue, I don't know.  But, instead, I ended up
doing the same thing with my local DNS server, instead, it offloaded the
burden to a central point, to software that was designed to be good at
DNS resolutions.  So one thing in my LAN takes care of all my computers.

I also did it slightly differently, rather than return a bogus IP for
the blocked sites, such as their 0.0.0.0 answer, I return a no-answer
(i.e. no such domain exists).  That quickly kills off any connection
attempt.

Some software will try to do something with a 0.0.0.0 IP, regardless of
whether they ought to, or not.  Likewise, giving forbidden domains the
127.0.0.1 IP of your own computer causes its own problems, masses of
bogus connection attempts to non-existent things on your own computer.
All of which wait for the attempt to time-out and fail.  Or, if you have
a local webserver, hammer your webserver for non-existent files.

My named.conf file is populated with configuration lines like this:

zone "adimages.com" { type master; file  "dead.zone"; };
zone "admonitor.com"{ type master; file  "dead.zone"; };
zone "adsfac.net"   { type master; file  "dead.zone"; };
zone "advertising.com"  { type master; file  "dead.zone"; };

One per forbidden domain, or sub-domain (if I want partial blocking,
such as doing nothing about example.com but killing ads.example.com).

To avoid cluttering your named.conf file, you could use a second
"blocking" file, that named.conf imports when it starts up.  That would
allow easier manipulation of it, with less risk to the normal
configuration.

And this is the entire contents of the dead.zone file:

$TTL 10
@   IN  SOA ns.localdomain.  hostmaster.mail.localdomain. (
202 ; serial
20 ; refresh
20 ; retry
20 ; expire 
20 ; ttl
)


IN  NS  ns.localdomain.

It has the basic details required for a zone file (in that incarnation
of the BIND DNS server), but no records to return any IPs.

However, all of these methods start to fail in some modern browsers,
which started doing their own DNS look-ups.  Why they do that can be
guessed at being due to two things:

Realising that many users have awful ISPs (as I did, which is why I've
run my own DNS servers for many years), they took the easy solution of
having their web browser product use some *other* DNS server.

As a counteraction so that adblockers wouldn't stop their product from
showing adverts.

There's been a bit of an outcry about that last issue.  And I'd noticed
some blocked things (by my DNS server) getting through in recent times.

If advertisers weren't such bastards, there wouldn't be a need for such
blocking.  Some small advert sitting out of the way on the side of a
page isn't worth caring about.  But there are sites where there's more
advertising than content, badly written scripts that peg your CPU at
100%, tracking, spyware, malware, etc.  If advertisers want to bitch
about being blocked, they need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[stan]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:36:59 -0400
Peter Skensved  wrote:

> > One thing I know slows down browsing is the way sites outsource much
> > of their content.  The browser has to access many sites on the web
> > to put together a page for you to view.  Blocking this as much as
> > possible not only speeds up page loading, but also hinders tracking
> > sites.  
> 
>   mvps is your friend here :
> 
> http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

Thank you.  That was eye opening.  All those sites dedicated to serving
ads and tracking.  The linux specific information link on that page is
http://www.putorius.net/2012/01/block-unwanted-advertisements-on.html
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Peter Skensved]

> One thing I know slows down browsing is the way sites outsource much
> of their content.  The browser has to access many sites on the web to
> put together a page for you to view.  Blocking this as much as
> possible not only speeds up page loading, but also hinders tracking
> sites.

  mvps is your friend here :

http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm

 peter
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/22/2017 05:05 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

Standard rule: Do NOT make your page rendering block on external events,
feeds, whatnot. People will blame your page, not the events that are
blocking it.


Especially if they've blocked those sites.
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/22/2017 04:36 PM, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 22 March 2017, stan sent:
>> One thing I know slows down browsing is the way sites outsource much
>> of their content.  The browser has to access many sites on the web to
>> put together a page for you to view.  Blocking this as much as
>> possible not only speeds up page loading, but also hinders tracking
>> sites. 
> 
> Though, occasionally, you get the opposite:  Sites waiting for some
> external content to load before anything will proceed.  Script blocking
> can help with that, but can also kill a site from doing anything.  It's
> very much a two-edged sword.

We had that with a client. They were bitching that their site was
"slow". We pointed out that their home page was loading data from about
100 twitter feeds, 30 facebook items, snapchats, blogs and other
assorted crap before the page would even start to render. We had them
disable that stuff and lo and behold! It rendered in less than a second.

Standard rule: Do NOT make your page rendering block on external events,
feeds, whatnot. People will blame your page, not the events that are
blocking it.
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 22 March 2017, stan sent:
> One thing I know slows down browsing is the way sites outsource much
> of their content.  The browser has to access many sites on the web to
> put together a page for you to view.  Blocking this as much as
> possible not only speeds up page loading, but also hinders tracking
> sites. 

Though, occasionally, you get the opposite:  Sites waiting for some
external content to load before anything will proceed.  Script blocking
can help with that, but can also kill a site from doing anything.  It's
very much a two-edged sword.

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Re: how to use the mobile phone connexion via USB?

[cen]

Hi

I share my connection via USB all the time on my Fedora installation. I 
just disable WiFi and cable connection pops right in. It should "just work".



Frédéric Bron je 22. 03. 2017 ob 17:37 napisal:

Hi,
How can I use my mobile phone shared connexion via USB?
The android phone is connected to my F25 computer via USB.
On my phone, I share my connexion via USB.
How can I use it in fedora?
Frédéric
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[stan]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:12:19 -0700
Joe Zeff  wrote:

> Why not simply run it in a terminal?  It doesn't *have* to be
> maximized, you know.

True.  Just a habit that I avoid having root running in X for long
periods of time.
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Mike Wright]

On 03/22/2017 12:12 PM, stan wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:05:43 -0700
stan  wrote:


One thing I know slows down browsing is the way sites outsource much
of their content.  The browser has to access many sites on the web to
put together a page for you to view.  Blocking this as much as
possible not only speeds up page loading, but also hinders tracking
sites.


A site I used to see a lot of was fonts.googleapis.com.  That hits both
of the above, slows down browsing


I was concerned about that too, but it turns out the typical webfont 
file coming from google is between 13k and 22k, with most fonts on the 
smaller side.  Probably not the source of the slowdown.  I'd be much 
more suspicious of the trackers and beacons that set up interactive 
connections that are left open.  A 3k news article can easily pull in 
more than a meg of crap.  I'd recommend the OP install some sort of 
plugin/extension that blocks autoplay.  Makes a yuuuge difference.


Nonetheless, I'm on the side of there being some sort of dns issue, 
especially if using any ad blockers (404's, timeouts, etc).

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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/22/2017 12:05 PM, stan wrote:

There are probably better ways to do this, but you could install iftop,
open a virtual console, login as root, and leave iftop running.  When
the problem occurs, flip to the virtual console, and see a snapshot of
the current connections.  That might point you to the culprit.


Why not simply run it in a terminal?  It doesn't *have* to be maximized, 
you know.

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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[stan]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:05:43 -0700
stan  wrote:

> One thing I know slows down browsing is the way sites outsource much
> of their content.  The browser has to access many sites on the web to
> put together a page for you to view.  Blocking this as much as
> possible not only speeds up page loading, but also hinders tracking
> sites.

A site I used to see a lot of was fonts.googleapis.com.  That hits both
of the above, slows down browsing, and lets google track you.  In
firefox preferences, it is possible to set the browser under content ->
fonts and colors to use only local fonts.  That removes at least that
as an issue.
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[stan]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:10:21 +0100
Frédéric Bron  wrote:

> > Given your description of what you've already tried to isolate the
> > problem, I think it is something in your web access, either DNS or
> > ISP.  
> 
> I also suspect that but when I run their speed test everything is
> fine!

There are probably better ways to do this, but you could install iftop,
open a virtual console, login as root, and leave iftop running.  When
the problem occurs, flip to the virtual console, and see a snapshot of
the current connections.  That might point you to the culprit.

One thing I know slows down browsing is the way sites outsource much of
their content.  The browser has to access many sites on the web to put
together a page for you to view.  Blocking this as much as possible not
only speeds up page loading, but also hinders tracking sites.

NoScript used to have a middle click that took me to a site with
comments about the various sites, and how they track.  It has been
removed for some reason, and only the bland pablum left behind, but it
used to pinpoint sites whose only reason was tracking, like addthis.
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Frédéric Bron]

> It could be the way Firefox is handling SSL connections
> I'd suggest ensuring you are running the latest Firefox

I update F25 very often, thanks.

Frédéric
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Frédéric Bron]

> Given your description of what you've already tried to isolate the
> problem, I think it is something in your web access, either DNS or
> ISP.

I also suspect that but when I run their speed test everything is fine!

Frédéric
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Re: anaconda problem

[Tim]

On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 09:58 +0100, François Patte wrote:
> I did not say that things are to be done manually (but I think that it
> is easier and quicker to things manually and I regret that this option
> does not exist for the installer), I said that the graphical
> presentation is illogical because the hierarchy is: partition>raid
> devices>lvm as you can see using lsblk:
> 
> ...[snip]...
> 
> So using the installer for partitionning, once you have chosen a mount
> point you can find a dropdown menu where you can choose lvm (default)
> or raid (or btrfs...) and keeping in mind that raid is before lvm in
> the hierarchy, you naturally choose raid and you cannot have lvm after
> that... This is not a logical way! 

I can see *some* logic in doing it in the reverse order (what do you
want, how do you want it, where will it go), but I'd still prefer the
direction of select hardware, divide it up, allocate mounts.  Either
way, I think the process has to go continually in the same direction.

The one thing that makes some sense out of doing it backwards, is that
you not having to continually name things.  Doing it backwards, if I
wanted /boot, /, and /home, it could name (label) the partitions boot,
sysroot and home, name the volume group Fedora25, et cetera,
automatically, as it goes along.  Doing it forwards, I'd pick a drive,
partition it, name its volume groups by hand (if using LVM), name its
partition labels by hand, allocate mount points.

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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/22/2017 09:59 AM, stan wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:07:49 +0100
> Frédéric Bron  wrote:
> 
>> I often experience very slow internet surf. No idea where it comes
>> from, just that it started when I switched from opensuse to F25.
>>
>> Today, I may have obtained a clue:
>>
>> I normally use firefox.
>> Today I got the following issue:
>> - searched in google for "python os.path"
>> - clicked on the first linked
>> https://docs.python.org/2/library/os.path.html
>> - nothing happened (tried many times)
> 
> As a point of reference, that site comes up almost instantly for me on
> F25, running a custom compiled version of nightly (the rawhide of
> firefox).  And also when I run the Fedora package version of Firefox
> (current as of yesterday).
> 
> Given your description of what you've already tried to isolate the
> problem, I think it is something in your web access, either DNS or
> ISP.  Another possibility; when web response is slow here, it is
> usually a traffic problem on the site I am accessing, that they are
> slowing down because of heavy usage, but I doubt that is the case for
> the python.org site.
> 
> I don't see how switching distros could cause this; maybe someone else
> can think of a way.

It could be the way Firefox is handling SSL connections (note the URLs
involved are "https://;). There was an issue (can't recall exactly what
it was) where Firefox wasn't handling TLS properly due to an openSSL
library thing. I'd suggest ensuring you are running the latest Firefox
and all of the associated openSSL/gnuTLS libraries. I can't speak to
this precisely as I use Chrome most of the time (I've found Firefox's
various plugin woes, memory hemorrhaging and orphaned stray processes
too annoying to put up with).
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Re: [F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[stan]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:07:49 +0100
Frédéric Bron  wrote:

> I often experience very slow internet surf. No idea where it comes
> from, just that it started when I switched from opensuse to F25.
> 
> Today, I may have obtained a clue:
> 
> I normally use firefox.
> Today I got the following issue:
> - searched in google for "python os.path"
> - clicked on the first linked
> https://docs.python.org/2/library/os.path.html
> - nothing happened (tried many times)

As a point of reference, that site comes up almost instantly for me on
F25, running a custom compiled version of nightly (the rawhide of
firefox).  And also when I run the Fedora package version of Firefox
(current as of yesterday).

Given your description of what you've already tried to isolate the
problem, I think it is something in your web access, either DNS or
ISP.  Another possibility; when web response is slow here, it is
usually a traffic problem on the site I am accessing, that they are
slowing down because of heavy usage, but I doubt that is the case for
the python.org site.

I don't see how switching distros could cause this; maybe someone else
can think of a way.
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how to use the mobile phone connexion via USB?

[Frédéric Bron]

Hi,
How can I use my mobile phone shared connexion via USB?
The android phone is connected to my F25 computer via USB.
On my phone, I share my connexion via USB.
How can I use it in fedora?
Frédéric
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Re: anaconda problem

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/22/2017 01:58 AM, François Patte wrote:
> Le 22/03/2017 04:54, Ed Greshko a écrit :
>> On 03/22/17 01:17, François Patte wrote:
>>> I read the installation guide
>>>
>>> On this page:
>>>
>>> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/Create_Software_RAID-x86.html
>>>
>>> no mention on how to create  an lvm once your raid is created.
>>>
>>> (funny: the example given is /usr, maybe an overdose of Jack Daniel's!)
>>
>> Of course you are using an *old* version of documentation.  F18 was long
>> before F25 where we are now.
>>
>> As I already mentioned.  I did the install in a configuration which I
>> thought you wanted to end up with and I did so successfully.  It is
>> irrelevant to refer to obsolete documentation where what you want may
>> not have been possible.
> 
> I use the documentation I can access via the fedora sites and this was
> the installation guide I found.

Then you didn't look very hard. If you access the URL you gave in
your message and looked higher up in the left pane, you'd see the
documentation for Fedora 25 right there. In fact, here's the URL for
the English version of the manual section relevant to the installation
destination disks including how to set up RAID and LVM:

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/25/html/Installation_Guide/sect-installation-gui-storage-partitioning.html

I'm sorry, but the installation guide has not been translated to
French yet. Translations are always an issue with Fedora, since its
release schedule is roughly every 6 months and they simply don't have
the bodies necessary to keep the translations up-to-date with that kind
of turn over.

Perhaps that's something you can do to contribute to the Fedora
project. I know the Fedora team is always looking for volunteers to do
translations of various kinds.

>> No need to do anything manually.
> 
> I did not say that things are to be done manually (but I think that it
> is easier and quicker to things manually and I regret that this option
> does not exist for the installer), I said that the graphical
> presentation is illogical because the hierarchy is: partition>raid
> devices>lvm as you can see using lsblk:
> 
> NAME  MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
> sdb 8:16   1 931,5G  0 disk
> └─sdb1  8:17   1 700,1G  0 part
>   └─md127   9:127  0   700G  0 raid1
> ├─fedora-boot 253:10 1G  0 lvm   /boot
> ├─fedora-var  253:4015G  0 lvm   /var
> ├─fedora-swap 253:20 4G  0 lvm   [SWAP]
> ├─fedora-root 253:0040G  0 lvm   /
> ├─fedora-opt  253:5040G  0 lvm   /opt
> └─fedora-home 253:30   600G  0 lvm   /home
> sda 8:00 931,5G  0 disk
> └─sda1  8:10 700,1G  0 part
>   └─md127   9:127  0   700G  0 raid1
> ├─fedora-boot 253:10 1G  0 lvm   /boot
> ├─fedora-var  253:4015G  0 lvm   /var
> ├─fedora-swap 253:20 4G  0 lvm   [SWAP]
> ├─fedora-root 253:0040G  0 lvm   /
> ├─fedora-opt  253:5040G  0 lvm   /opt
> └─fedora-home 253:30   600G  0 lvm   /home
> 
> So using the installer for partitionning, once you have chosen a mount
> point you can find a dropdown menu where you can choose lvm (default) or
> raid (or btrfs...) and keeping in mind that raid is before lvm in the
> hierarchy, you naturally choose raid and you cannot have lvm after
> that... This is not a logical way!
> 
>>>
>>> 2- Modifier (in French) means that you want to correct something wrong
>>> you have done before not to add some options...
>>
>> Sounds as if you should donate some translations to the anaconda team. 
>> (Wonder if there may be a difference in wording for French and
>> Canadian-French as well as other localized versions.)
>>>
>>> Moreover, as far as I have explored this "modify" feature, I cannot see,
>>> on the anaconda page devoted to partitionning, that a RAID will be
>>> created! I have to cross my fingers that the modification has been taken
>>> into account.
>>
>> I did the install a second time in order to document the steps which
>> absolutely work. 
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/m2csa23  are the screenshots with several important
>> items pointed out.
> 
> Should be in the official documentation

And it IS there if you look at the _current_ documentation. Fedora 18
is over four years old now and the documents do not reflect how things
are NOW. There have been seven MAJOR upgrades since F18 and a lot of
them have to do with Anaconda and installation in general (support for
additional filesystem types, easier encryption, etc., etc.)
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[F25] issue with SSL connexions: Failure of SSL transaction with

[Frédéric Bron]

I often experience very slow internet surf. No idea where it comes
from, just that it started when I switched from opensuse to F25.

Today, I may have obtained a clue:

I normally use firefox.
Today I got the following issue:
- searched in google for "python os.path"
- clicked on the first linked https://docs.python.org/2/library/os.path.html
- nothing happened (tried many times)

- I removed all firefox cookies and cache -> same issue
- I removed current firefox profile and created a new one -> same issue
- I tried the search on a windows computer + firefox on the same
internet connexion -> no issue
- I did the same on fedora with konqueror -> no issue
- again with konqueror -> got an error message:
"Adresse : https://docs.python.org/2/library/os.path.html
Protocole : https
Date et heure : mercredi 22 mars 2017 16:47
Informations complémentaires : Échec de la négociation SSL avec docs.python.org"
Which means:
- again with konqueror -> error message:
"Address: https://docs.python.org/2/library/os.path.html
Protocol: https
Date and time: Wednesday 22nd March 2017 16:47
Additionnal informations: Failure of SSL transaction with docs.python.org"

I suspect that firefox has the same error but just does nothing. What
does that mean?

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Re: Can anyone explain this Evolution behavior to me?

[William Oliver]

On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 11:53 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 07:43 -0400, William Oliver wrote:
> > I'm just trying to understand why running it in GNOME would fix it
> > in
> > KDE.  Anybody know?
> 
> No idea, but the Evolution list might be a better place to ask as
> it's
> not limited to Fedora. See https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ev
> ol
> ution-list
> 
> poc
> 

Thanks for the pointer.

billo
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Re: Can anyone explain this Evolution behavior to me?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 07:43 -0400, William Oliver wrote:
> I'm just trying to understand why running it in GNOME would fix it in
> KDE.  Anybody know?

No idea, but the Evolution list might be a better place to ask as it's
not limited to Fedora. See https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evol
ution-list

poc
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Can anyone explain this Evolution behavior to me?

[William Oliver]

I'm running Fedora 25, with current upgrades, on an HP laptop (uname
-a: 4.9.14-200.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 13 19:26:40 UTC 2017 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux)

I normally use KDE 5 as my desktop, but I use Evolution to read mail.

Recently, and shortly after a recent "sudo dnf upgrade," I ran into a
problem in which I could not reply to emails in Evolution.  I could
fetch and read mail, but when I tried to reply, either the window would
come up greyed out and I could not enter text, or I could type a few
letters and it would hang.

This repeated for a couple of days, including various reboots and such.
 I didn't get around to running it from a terminal, so I don't have
error messages there, but there were no messages in any logs.

Then I decided to see if the same error occurred in GNOME, since it's a
 GNOME program.  I brought up GNOME, and it worked fine.  Hmmm

So, I logged in using KDE to run it from terminal and look for error
messages -- and the problem went away!  Now it works fine.

I'm just trying to understand why running it in GNOME would fix it in
KDE.  Anybody know?


billo
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Re: anaconda problem

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/22/17 16:58, François Patte wrote:
> So using the installer for partitionning, once you have chosen a mount
> point you can find a dropdown menu where you can choose lvm (default) or
> raid (or btrfs...) and keeping in mind that raid is before lvm in the
> hierarchy, you naturally choose raid and you cannot have lvm after
> that... This is not a logical way!


I don't really understand the confusion.  I didn't have any problems
getting it configured with the way I think you intended, without using
any documentation.  I had not used anaconda in several releases since
I've been only doing upgrades via dnf.

I, of course, didn't design the anaconda GUI.  I am sure the folks that
did put some thought into it.  However, if you feel you have an idea
which is more logical and should be considered then probably writing an
RFE is in order.

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Re: anaconda problem

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/22/17 16:03, Ajay Singh wrote:
> STOP emailing so many more times I need to say remove me


You have chosen to be on a mailing list.  Nobody is mailing anything to
*you* but to the list you are part of.  If you have a problem with the
amount of traffic they you should consider other methods of viewing the
list.

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Re: anaconda problem

[François Patte]

Le 22/03/2017 04:54, Ed Greshko a écrit :
> On 03/22/17 01:17, François Patte wrote:
>> I read the installation guide
>>
>> On this page:
>>
>> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/Create_Software_RAID-x86.html
>>
>> no mention on how to create  an lvm once your raid is created.
>>
>> (funny: the example given is /usr, maybe an overdose of Jack Daniel's!)
> 
> Of course you are using an *old* version of documentation.  F18 was long
> before F25 where we are now.
> 
> As I already mentioned.  I did the install in a configuration which I
> thought you wanted to end up with and I did so successfully.  It is
> irrelevant to refer to obsolete documentation where what you want may
> not have been possible.

I use the documentation I can access via the fedora sites and this was
the installation guide I found.


> 
> No need to do anything manually.

I did not say that things are to be done manually (but I think that it
is easier and quicker to things manually and I regret that this option
does not exist for the installer), I said that the graphical
presentation is illogical because the hierarchy is: partition>raid
devices>lvm as you can see using lsblk:

NAME  MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
sdb 8:16   1 931,5G  0 disk
└─sdb1  8:17   1 700,1G  0 part
  └─md127   9:127  0   700G  0 raid1
├─fedora-boot 253:10 1G  0 lvm   /boot
├─fedora-var  253:4015G  0 lvm   /var
├─fedora-swap 253:20 4G  0 lvm   [SWAP]
├─fedora-root 253:0040G  0 lvm   /
├─fedora-opt  253:5040G  0 lvm   /opt
└─fedora-home 253:30   600G  0 lvm   /home
sda 8:00 931,5G  0 disk
└─sda1  8:10 700,1G  0 part
  └─md127   9:127  0   700G  0 raid1
├─fedora-boot 253:10 1G  0 lvm   /boot
├─fedora-var  253:4015G  0 lvm   /var
├─fedora-swap 253:20 4G  0 lvm   [SWAP]
├─fedora-root 253:0040G  0 lvm   /
├─fedora-opt  253:5040G  0 lvm   /opt
└─fedora-home 253:30   600G  0 lvm   /home

So using the installer for partitionning, once you have chosen a mount
point you can find a dropdown menu where you can choose lvm (default) or
raid (or btrfs...) and keeping in mind that raid is before lvm in the
hierarchy, you naturally choose raid and you cannot have lvm after
that... This is not a logical way!

>>
>> 2- Modifier (in French) means that you want to correct something wrong
>> you have done before not to add some options...
> 
> Sounds as if you should donate some translations to the anaconda team. 
> (Wonder if there may be a difference in wording for French and
> Canadian-French as well as other localized versions.)
>>
>> Moreover, as far as I have explored this "modify" feature, I cannot see,
>> on the anaconda page devoted to partitionning, that a RAID will be
>> created! I have to cross my fingers that the modification has been taken
>> into account.
> 
> I did the install a second time in order to document the steps which
> absolutely work. 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/m2csa23  are the screenshots with several important
> items pointed out.

Should be in the official documentation

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Re: anaconda problem

[Ajay Singh]

STOP emailing so many more times I need to say remove me

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 03/21/17 19:59, Tony Nelson wrote:
> > On 17-03-20 19:42:20, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >  ...
> >> FWIW, I created a Virtual Machine with 2 32GB disks.  I then installed
> >> an F25 KDE based system using the netinst ISO.  I gave the VM 1.2GB of
> >> RAM.  For the disk configuration I requested RAID1 and
> >>
> >> /  of 14GB
> >>
> >> /boot of 1GB
> >>
> >> /var of 11GB
> >>
> >> swap of 2GB
> >>
> >> /home  whatever was left over.
> >>
> >>
> >> After install
> >  ...
> >
> > Output of `cat /proc/mdstat`?  (See Linux Raid wiki at
> > raid.wiki.kernel.org)
> >
> For your enjoyment
>
> [egreshko@twodisk ~]$ cat /proc/mdstat
> Personalities : [raid1]
> md126 : active raid1 sdb2[1] sda2[0]
>   66098176 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
>   bitmap: 1/1 pages [4KB], 65536KB chunk
>
> md127 : active raid1 sdb1[1] sda1[0]
>   976320 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
>   bitmap: 0/1 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk
>
> FYI, this is a second install using 64GB.
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