Install with /boot in LVM

[S P Arif Sahari Wibowo]

Is it possible to install Fedora - either with GUI or Kickstart 
- with /boot in LVM? I know there are hack to move /boot to LVM 
after installation, but after seeing how smoothly Ubuntu 
installer doing that kind of installation, I am wondering 
whether this can be done in Fedora installation?


Thank you.

Other instance of the question: 
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/111976/

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Re: Services Offered by Freelance Network and Infrastructure Engineer

[Gary Hodder]

On Thu, 2017-10-05 at 23:01 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 10/05/17 22:50, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> > Worldwide Announcement 4th October 2017
> > 
> > This announcement addresses individuals and Small and Medium
> > Businesses (SMB).
> > 
> 
> Advertising for work on a user's list?
> 
> I advocate for your being banned for life from this forum.
> 
Yep advertizing for work to a users list is not very bright...
enough said..
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Re: F26: Print from gnome is not respect cups directive 'ErrorPolicy retry-job'

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno gio, 05/10/2017 alle 13.15 -0700, Samuel Sieb ha scritto:
> Make sure you also have "nss-mdns" installed on the client.  Try
> running 
> "avahi-browse -a" to see if the printers are actually getting
> broadcast. 
>   That program is in the "avahi-tools" package.

I have verify on printers server and the avahi-daemon.service and
avahi-daemon.socket are masked!

I have unmask, enable and start it and now my client see the printers
shared and run "avahi-browse -a" list my shared printers.

Then avahi-daemon is necessary for CUPS. This is a news for me.

Many thanks!

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Re: F26: Print from gnome is not respect cups directive 'ErrorPolicy retry-job'

[Tim]

Tim:
>> Oh, yuck.  Yet another thing in the mix.  Three daemons just to use 
>> a printer!  Really?!

Samuel Sieb:
> Three daemons?  You mean cupsd + avahi-daemon on the server and cupsd
> + cups-browsed on the client?

Yes, considering that I never needed to run avahi before, and don't
want to run it either.  I don't care for adhoc disorganised networking
that's not controlled by me - I already have DHCP and DNS servers
handling that.  Trying to get a third thing involved, and all of that
running in harmony is a nightmare I don't want to have.

And *I* don't run avahi, yet printing and printer browsing work for me.
CUPS always managed to advertise it's printers to the network, and the
clients always managed to find those printers.  Let printing be handled
by the printing software, not some middling networking server.

DHCP and DNS is quite tightly controlled as to what gets assigned what
addresses on this LAN.  Avahi is a randomised free-for-all.

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Re: Portable Fedora that doesn't suck

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Rick Stevens  wrote:

> On 10/05/2017 02:29 AM, Tim wrote:
> > Allegedly, on or about 4 October 2017, Richard Shaw sent:
> >> Anybody have some success stories they can share? Ideas?
> >
> > I did, long ago, use a portable hard drive, with a straight
> > installation onto it, through a firewire connection into a friend's
> > Mac.
> >
> > A hard drive, or SSD these days, would seem better than flash drives,
> > they're notorious for quick death.
>
> SSDs die quickly, too, with little or no warning (had to replace at
> least 10 in various Macbooks over the years--glad we had backups!)


> > I don't know how well that kind of thing would work through USB into
> > any computer, though.  My experience with USB is that it's not good for
> > continual and prolonged sessions.  It nearly always hiccups.
>
> Running a system via USB is, well, awful. Firewire, thunderbolt or ESATA
> would be far better. There are a lot of ESATA drives out there...not
> so many systems that have ESATA ports, unfortunately.
>

My last laptop had ESATA but there doesn't seem to be any ESATA SSD's
available anymore, it looks like one company made one but they're
discontinued. I don't want to deal with an actual HD (SSD or laptop HDD) if
I can help it. I don't want something on a cable dangling from the laptop
when I have have a system on a stick.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Portable Fedora that doesn't suck

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/05/2017 02:29 AM, Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 4 October 2017, Richard Shaw sent:
>> Anybody have some success stories they can share? Ideas?
> 
> I did, long ago, use a portable hard drive, with a straight
> installation onto it, through a firewire connection into a friend's
> Mac.  
> 
> A hard drive, or SSD these days, would seem better than flash drives,
> they're notorious for quick death.

SSDs die quickly, too, with little or no warning (had to replace at
least 10 in various Macbooks over the years--glad we had backups!)

> I don't know how well that kind of thing would work through USB into
> any computer, though.  My experience with USB is that it's not good for
> continual and prolonged sessions.  It nearly always hiccups.

Running a system via USB is, well, awful. Firewire, thunderbolt or ESATA
would be far better. There are a lot of ESATA drives out there...not
so many systems that have ESATA ports, unfortunately.

My Dell laptop has ESATA and I always add an ESATA card to my desktops
for just such use or to plug in ye ol' backup drive. My backup routine
is to back up to rotating media on ESATA once a month, then unplug it
and put it somewhere safe. Nightly, in the wee hours, I back up to a
couple of NAS devices. Yes, I'm marginally paranoid about backups.
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Re: wireless mouse dies

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2017-10-05 at 22:00 +0200, Antonio M wrote:
> battery is new . Anyway for a long time I had no issue with this port and
> it started short ago after upgrading recent kernels.
> 
> No idea how to debug it. (this port is the high-power port, but it should
> not matter). And this issue is really random, I worked one day with no
> issue, but tonight I had two stops.

I had similar problems with a Logitech mouse until I moved the dongle
closer to the mouse pad using a USB extension cable. Previously it had
been under the desk and frequently lost connection.

poc
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Re: wireless mouse dies

[Fred Smith]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 10:00:25PM +0200, Antonio M wrote:
>battery is new . Anyway for a long time I had no issue with this port
>and it started short ago after upgrading recent kernels.
>No idea how to debug it. (this port is the high-power port, but it
>should not matter). And this issue is really random, I worked one day
>with no issue, but tonight I had two stops.
> 
>Antonio Montagnani
>Linux Fedora 26(Workstation)
>inviato da Gmail
>2017-10-05 21:31 GMT+02:00 Terry Polzin <[1]foxec...@gmail.com>:
> 
>On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Antonio M
><[2]antonio.montagn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>sometimes I loos the control of a wireless mouse from Logitech: as soon
>as I reinsert the receiver mouse starts again to work!!!
>when mouse is dead
>$ lsusb
>Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching
>Hub
>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching
>Hub
>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>when it works
>[antonio@fujitsu ~]$ lsusb
>Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
>Bus 002 Device 017: ID 046d:c52f Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching
>Hub
>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching
>Hub
>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>any idea: shall I file a bug??

you may have a bad usb dongle, or an intermittent USB port. Have you
tried it in a different port?



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Re: wireless mouse dies

[Antonio M]

I have the log (tnx for help anyway) from 20:00:00 and forward: but the
full log is 225 lines and I suppose that I cannot load here..

Antonio Montagnani

Linux Fedora 26(Workstation)
inviato da Gmail

2017-10-05 22:58 GMT+02:00 Samuel Sieb :

> On 10/05/2017 01:45 PM, Antonio M wrote:
>
>> how can I check it ?? especially after the mouse is working again? sorry
>> for the silly question
>>
>
> As root, run "journalctl -b".  If you remember about what time it
> happened, you can scroll down until you find that time.  By default it uses
> "less" as the pager, so hopefully you know some of the keys.  The easiest
> method might be to use the "/" command to search for "Logitech".  The first
> match should be from booting, but there should be another match further
> down where you replugged it.  Then you can go back a bit to see what
> happened when it disappeared.
>
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Re: wireless mouse dies

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/05/2017 01:45 PM, Antonio M wrote:
how can I check it ?? especially after the mouse is working again? sorry 
for the silly question


As root, run "journalctl -b".  If you remember about what time it 
happened, you can scroll down until you find that time.  By default it 
uses "less" as the pager, so hopefully you know some of the keys.  The 
easiest method might be to use the "/" command to search for "Logitech". 
 The first match should be from booting, but there should be another 
match further down where you replugged it.  Then you can go back a bit 
to see what happened when it disappeared.

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Re: wireless mouse dies

[Antonio M]

how can I check it ?? especially after the mouse is working again? sorry
for the silly question

Antonio Montagnani

Linux Fedora 26(Workstation)
inviato da Gmail

2017-10-05 21:55 GMT+02:00 Samuel Sieb :

> On 10/05/2017 12:12 PM, Antonio M wrote:
>
>> sometimes I loos the control of a wireless mouse from Logitech: as soon
>> as I reinsert the receiver mouse starts again to work!!!
>>
>> when mouse is dead
>> $ lsusb
>> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
>> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
>> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
>> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
>> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>>
>
> Since the receiver has gone off the USB bus, that sounds like a hardware
> problem.  Have you checked the journal for what happened at that point?
>
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Re: F26: Print from gnome is not respect cups directive 'ErrorPolicy retry-job'

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/05/2017 02:42 AM, Dario Lesca wrote:

Il giorno mer, 04/10/2017 alle 19.42 -0700, Samuel Sieb ha scritto:

Cups now uses mdns to broadcast printers.



There is some documentation for learn this news?


I don't know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS has a lot of info.  I 
noticed it in the cups-browsed config file.



  So you might need to open the mdns ports to allow those packets to
go out.


On lan interface of printers server I have open all port from/to it
to/from all PC, I must do something other?


That's fine then.


  Also you might require avahi-daemon to be running.


This service is available for default, I do not power off it.


Make sure you also have "nss-mdns" installed on the client.  Try running 
"avahi-browse -a" to see if the printers are actually getting broadcast. 
 That program is in the "avahi-tools" package.

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Re: F26: Print from gnome is not respect cups directive 'ErrorPolicy retry-job'

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/05/2017 02:31 AM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 4 October 2017, Samuel Sieb sent:

Cups now uses mdns to broadcast printers.


Oh, yuck.  Yet another thing in the mix.  Three daemons just to use a
printer!  Really?!


Three daemons?  You mean cupsd + avahi-daemon on the server and cupsd + 
cups-browsed on the client?  How about it's nice that there's a useful 
standard for things and everything except Windows can find printers on 
the network?


Also, you don't need this to use a printer.  You can just run cupsd to 
print to a local printer or you can manually add the remote cups printer 
on the client.  What's the problem?

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Re: chronyc keeps on running

[George N. White III]

On 5 October 2017 at 14:52, Fred Smith 
wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 12:38:19PM -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > Thanks!
>
> While it's true that I'm running Centos-7 instead of Fedora, CentOS also
> uses chrony as its default ntp client.
>

With systemd there are 3 options:

systemd-timesyncd -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd-timesyncd,

supports sntp protocol

ntpd -- original "proof of concept" implementation.  It is widely used, but
for laptops or workstations one of the others may be a better choice

chronyd -- implementaion of the ntp protocol developed for systems with
unreliable network access where ntpd


> On my system "ps ax | grep -i chrony" turns up two processes, chronyd,
> and the grep.
>
> # ps ax | grep -i chrony
>  1113 ?S  0:02 /usr/sbin/chronyd
>  6982 pts/1S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto -i chrony
>
>
Use "ps ax | grep [c]hrony" to omit the grep process.


> chronyc does not run unless someone starts it, usually from a commandline.
> it is a user tool for examining/controlling chronyd status. it shouldn't
> be running all the time. Do you have a startup script somewhere that is
> running it for you? If so, I'd recommend not doing that.
>

> even if I start it from a command prompt, if I don't give it any commands
> to run it consumes (as faras I can tell by watching top) zero CPU
> (there's bound to be some, but it's just waiting at a command prompt,
> so how much could it be?)
>
> so it sounds like something on your system is running it and feeding it
> some time-consuming commands. your task is to figure out what that is and
> fix it.
>


https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/72g5hc/chronyc_tracking_consumes_100_cpu/
sounds similar.  See  RHEL 7 Using chrony


>
> good luck!
>
> Fred
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 13:05:27 -0400 Sam Varshavchik 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Ranjan Maitra writes:
> > >
> > > > Over the past few weeks, my laptop has been running chronyc at full
> blast.
> > > >
> > > > $top
> > > >
> > > > 12657 root  20   0   20624   1308   1160 R  93.8  0.0   1739:52
> chronyc
> > > >
> > > > I looked up chronyc and found that this controls NTP. I use NTP, but
> do I
> > > > need to keep this around? Or is the good old ntp good enough? From
> what I
> > > > understand, openntp would also work but that is not available on
> Fedora.
> > > >
> > > > I guess I am wondering if there is a major cost to sudo dnf erase
> chronyc -y.
> > >
> > > The major cost is that if your puter's clock is off, its internal time
> will
> > > slowly drift apart.
> >
> > Will ntpd not address this issue?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > How important is having the system time accurate is to you?
> > >
> >
> > To the extent that I am able to fetchmail from my mail servers for which
> I think we need reasonably accurate system time?
> >
> > I do not get why chronyc should run and create such a racket at 100% CPU.
> >
>

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Re: wireless mouse dies

[Antonio M]

battery is new . Anyway for a long time I had no issue with this port and
it started short ago after upgrading recent kernels.

No idea how to debug it. (this port is the high-power port, but it should
not matter). And this issue is really random, I worked one day with no
issue, but tonight I had two stops.

Antonio Montagnani

Linux Fedora 26(Workstation)
inviato da Gmail

2017-10-05 21:31 GMT+02:00 Terry Polzin :

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Antonio M 
> wrote:
>
>> sometimes I loos the control of a wireless mouse from Logitech: as soon
>> as I reinsert the receiver mouse starts again to work!!!
>>
>> when mouse is dead
>> $ lsusb
>> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
>> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
>> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
>> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
>> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>>
>> when it works
>> [antonio@fujitsu ~]$ lsusb
>> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
>> Bus 002 Device 017: ID 046d:c52f Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
>> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
>> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
>> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
>> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>>
>> any idea: shall I file a bug??
>> Antonio Montagnani
>>
>> Linux Fedora 26(Workstation)
>> inviato da Gmail
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>> How old is the battery in the mouse?  Try the receiver in a different USB
> port you appear to have two different USB hubs.
>
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Re: What's wrong with new kernels

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/05/2017 08:25 AM, Ambrogio wrote:

Il giorno gio, 05/10/2017 alle 20.01 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:


In cases like yours, the first step is to undo what you've done to
taint your kernel
and see if the problem can be reproduced.  If it can, you can file a
Bugzilla.  If
you can't reproduce it, then it is due to the taint and outside of
the normal problem
solving path.


I can't understand why nvidia modules is loaded even with this
configurations:


Be aware that blacklisting just stops the module from being loaded 
automatically.  If there's something directly running insmod or modprobe 
on it, then it will still get loaded.  The simplest option would be to 
just move the module somewhere else temporarily.

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Re: wireless mouse dies

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/05/2017 12:12 PM, Antonio M wrote:
sometimes I loos the control of a wireless mouse from Logitech: as soon 
as I reinsert the receiver mouse starts again to work!!!


when mouse is dead
$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub


Since the receiver has gone off the USB bus, that sounds like a hardware 
problem.  Have you checked the journal for what happened at that point?

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Re: chronyc keeps on running

[Sam Varshavchik]

Ranjan Maitra writes:

> > I guess I am wondering if there is a major cost to sudo dnf erase  
chronyc -y.

>
> The major cost is that if your puter's clock is off, its internal time will
> slowly drift apart.

Will ntpd not address this issue?


ntpd is a viable alternative.


> How important is having the system time accurate is to you?
>

To the extent that I am able to fetchmail from my mail servers for which I  
think we need reasonably accurate system time?


fetchmail itself doesn't care.

Downloaded mail will likely report the local time in the received: header,  
that's about it.



I do not get why chronyc should run and create such a racket at 100% CPU.


Only strace can tell.




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Re: wireless mouse dies

[Terry Polzin]

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Antonio M 
wrote:

> sometimes I loos the control of a wireless mouse from Logitech: as soon as
> I reinsert the receiver mouse starts again to work!!!
>
> when mouse is dead
> $ lsusb
> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>
> when it works
> [antonio@fujitsu ~]$ lsusb
> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
> Bus 002 Device 017: ID 046d:c52f Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
>
> any idea: shall I file a bug??
> Antonio Montagnani
>
> Linux Fedora 26(Workstation)
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port you appear to have two different USB hubs.
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wireless mouse dies

[Antonio M]

sometimes I loos the control of a wireless mouse from Logitech: as soon as
I reinsert the receiver mouse starts again to work!!!

when mouse is dead
$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

when it works
[antonio@fujitsu ~]$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 004: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
Bus 002 Device 017: ID 046d:c52f Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b302 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

any idea: shall I file a bug??
Antonio Montagnani

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Re: chronyc keeps on running

[Fred Smith]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 12:38:19PM -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> Thanks!

While it's true that I'm running Centos-7 instead of Fedora, CentOS also
uses chrony as its default ntp client.

On my system "ps ax | grep -i chrony" turns up two processes, chronyd,
and the grep.

# ps ax | grep -i chrony
 1113 ?S  0:02 /usr/sbin/chronyd
 6982 pts/1S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto -i chrony

chronyc does not run unless someone starts it, usually from a commandline.
it is a user tool for examining/controlling chronyd status. it shouldn't
be running all the time. Do you have a startup script somewhere that is
running it for you? If so, I'd recommend not doing that.

even if I start it from a command prompt, if I don't give it any commands
to run it consumes (as faras I can tell by watching top) zero CPU
(there's bound to be some, but it's just waiting at a command prompt,
so how much could it be?)

so it sounds like something on your system is running it and feeding it
some time-consuming commands. your task is to figure out what that is and
fix it.

good luck!

Fred
> 
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 13:05:27 -0400 Sam Varshavchik  
> wrote:
> 
> > Ranjan Maitra writes:
> > 
> > > Over the past few weeks, my laptop has been running chronyc at full blast.
> > >
> > > $top
> > >
> > > 12657 root  20   0   20624   1308   1160 R  93.8  0.0   1739:52 
> > > chronyc
> > >
> > > I looked up chronyc and found that this controls NTP. I use NTP, but do I 
> > >  
> > > need to keep this around? Or is the good old ntp good enough? From what I 
> > >  
> > > understand, openntp would also work but that is not available on Fedora.
> > >
> > > I guess I am wondering if there is a major cost to sudo dnf erase chronyc 
> > > -y.
> > 
> > The major cost is that if your puter's clock is off, its internal time will 
> >  
> > slowly drift apart.
> 
> Will ntpd not address this issue? 
> 
> 
> > 
> > How important is having the system time accurate is to you?
> > 
> 
> To the extent that I am able to fetchmail from my mail servers for which I 
> think we need reasonably accurate system time? 
> 
> I do not get why chronyc should run and create such a racket at 100% CPU.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Ranjan
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Services Offered by Freelance Network and Infrastructure Engineer

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2017 10:38 AM, Bat Phil wrote:
But then again, If you can't do the basic stuff yourself, you have no 
business running a network of any kind. So is he actually going to get 
any work advertising such services here?


That doesn't matter.  Advertising of any kind doesn't belong here.
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Re: Services Offered by Freelance Network and Infrastructure Engineer

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On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Bat Phil  wrote:

> But then again, If you can't do the basic stuff yourself, you have no
> business running a network of any kind. So is he actually going to get any
> work advertising such services here?
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> Just a thought.
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Re: chronyc keeps on running

[Ranjan Maitra]

Thanks!

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 13:05:27 -0400 Sam Varshavchik  wrote:

> Ranjan Maitra writes:
> 
> > Over the past few weeks, my laptop has been running chronyc at full blast.
> >
> > $top
> >
> > 12657 root  20   0   20624   1308   1160 R  93.8  0.0   1739:52 chronyc
> >
> > I looked up chronyc and found that this controls NTP. I use NTP, but do I  
> > need to keep this around? Or is the good old ntp good enough? From what I  
> > understand, openntp would also work but that is not available on Fedora.
> >
> > I guess I am wondering if there is a major cost to sudo dnf erase chronyc 
> > -y.
> 
> The major cost is that if your puter's clock is off, its internal time will  
> slowly drift apart.

Will ntpd not address this issue? 


> 
> How important is having the system time accurate is to you?
> 

To the extent that I am able to fetchmail from my mail servers for which I 
think we need reasonably accurate system time? 

I do not get why chronyc should run and create such a racket at 100% CPU.

Thanks again!

Ranjan




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Re: Services Offered by Freelance Network and Infrastructure Engineer

[Bat Phil]

But then again, If you can't do the basic stuff yourself, you have no
business running a network of any kind. So is he actually going to get any
work advertising such services here?

Just a thought.


On 5 Oct 2017 18:10, "fred roller"  wrote:

> +3
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:44 AM, InvalidPath 
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>> +2
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Terry Polzin  wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Ed Greshko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On 10/05/17 22:50, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
 > Worldwide Announcement 4th October 2017
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Re: Services Offered by Freelance Network and Infrastructure Engineer

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+3

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> +2
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>
>> +1
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Ed Greshko 
>> wrote:
>>
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>>> > Worldwide Announcement 4th October 2017
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Re: chronyc keeps on running

[Sam Varshavchik]

Ranjan Maitra writes:


Over the past few weeks, my laptop has been running chronyc at full blast.

$top

12657 root  20   0   20624   1308   1160 R  93.8  0.0   1739:52 chronyc

I looked up chronyc and found that this controls NTP. I use NTP, but do I  
need to keep this around? Or is the good old ntp good enough? From what I  
understand, openntp would also work but that is not available on Fedora.


I guess I am wondering if there is a major cost to sudo dnf erase chronyc -y.


The major cost is that if your puter's clock is off, its internal time will  
slowly drift apart.


How important is having the system time accurate is to you?



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Re: What's wrong with new kernels

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On Thu, 2017-10-05 at 17:25 +0200, Ambrogio wrote:
> #cat /etc/default/grub
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rd.lvm.lv=fedora/root rd.lvm.lv=fedora/swap 
> rd.driver.blacklist=nvidia"

You may want:

modprobe.blacklist=nvidia rd.blacklist=nvidia 

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Re: Services Offered by Freelance Network and Infrastructure Engineer

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+2

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Terry Polzin  wrote:

> +1
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Ed Greshko 
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/05/17 22:50, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
>> > Worldwide Announcement 4th October 2017
>> >
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Re: What's wrong with new kernels

[Ambrogio]

Il giorno gio, 05/10/2017 alle 20.01 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:

> In cases like yours, the first step is to undo what you've done to
> taint your kernel
> and see if the problem can be reproduced.  If it can, you can file a
> Bugzilla.  If
> you can't reproduce it, then it is due to the taint and outside of
> the normal problem
> solving path.
> 
I can't understand why nvidia modules is loaded even with this
configurations:

16:56 is approximatively boot time.
The grub is configured to not load nvidia driver:

#cat /etc/default/grub
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rd.lvm.lv=fedora/root rd.lvm.lv=fedora/swap 
rd.driver.blacklist=nvidia"

confirmed by the kernel log but i can see that the module nvidia taints
the kernel.

#cat /var/log/messages | grep -i taint
Oct  5 16:56:01 ogio71 kernel: nvidia: loading out-of-tree module taints kernel.
Oct  5 16:56:01 ogio71 kernel: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
Oct  5 16:56:01 ogio71 kernel: Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint
Oct  5 16:56:03 ogio71 kernel: nvidia: module verification failed: signature 
and/or required key missing - tainting kernel

# ls /etc/modprobe.d/
blacklist-nvidia.conf  blacklist-vbox.conf  lockd.conf

# cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-*
blacklist nvidia
blacklist vboxdrv
blacklist vboxpci
blacklist vboxnetadp
blacklist vboxnetflt

I generated also the initrd with dracut, even if in the initramfs i can
see the nvidia modules listed.

After boot the modules are not loaded
# lsmod | grep nv
# lsmod | grep vbo

What can I do to disable definitely the nvidia module?

Bye
 Ambrogio
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Re: Services Offered by Freelance Network and Infrastructure Engineer

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+1

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> On 10/05/17 22:50, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> > Worldwide Announcement 4th October 2017
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chronyc keeps on running

[Ranjan Maitra]

Over the past few weeks, my laptop has been running chronyc at full blast. 

$top

12657 root  20   0   20624   1308   1160 R  93.8  0.0   1739:52 chronyc 

I looked up chronyc and found that this controls NTP. I use NTP, but do I need 
to keep this around? Or is the good old ntp good enough? From what I 
understand, openntp would also work but that is not available on Fedora.

I guess I am wondering if there is a major cost to sudo dnf erase chronyc -y. 

Thanks,
Ranjan


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Re: Services Offered by Freelance Network and Infrastructure Engineer

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/05/17 22:50, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Worldwide Announcement 4th October 2017
>
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Services Offered by Freelance Network and Infrastructure Engineer

[Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming]

Worldwide Announcement 4th October 2017

This announcement addresses individuals and Small and Medium Businesses (SMB).

As a freelance network and infrastructure engineer based in Singapore,
I am offering the following services:

1. Basic installation and configuration of Cisco routers and switches

2. Basic installation and configuration of Cisco Adaptive Security
Appliance (ASA) VPN Firewalls

3. Basic installation and configuration of Fortigate VPN Firewalls

4. Basic installation and configuration of off-the-shelf SOHO
broadband wireless routers

5. Basic installation and configuration of DNS servers, DHCP servers,
email servers, web servers, MySQL database servers, PHP

6. Basic installation and configuration of Windows and Linux operating systems

7. Basic installation and configuration of Windows Server 2012 and
Active Directory

8. Any other Infocomm Technology (ICT) services which are within my expertise

Please contact:

Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Diploma in Computer Networking (Singapore Polytechnic)
Diploma in Mechatronics Engineering with Merit (Singapore Polytechnic)
Bachelor of Engineering (Honours) in Mechanical Engineering (National
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Studies in CCNA Security expected in the near future
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Re: During update

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/05/17 20:54, Corey Sheldon wrote:
> On 10/4/17 9:14 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 10/04/17 23:39, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>>> During the last update, I got:
>>>
>>> dnf update
>>>
>>> [DRPM 11/13] hplip-3.17.6-1.fc26_3.17.9-1.fc26.x86_64.drpm: done 
>>> /var/lib/selinux/targeted/active/policy.kern: read error
>>> (tried to read 398 bytes from offset 3897904)
>>> cannot reconstruct rpm from disk files
>>> [DRPM 12/13] firefox-55.0.3-1.fc26_56.0-2.fc26.x86_64.drpm: done 
>>>
>>> Is it a serious issue?
>>>
>> No.
>>
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> If it repeats and can never be pulled it would be, that on a mirror or two 
> merely
> means it had a partial or your connection during that pull got 
> iffy/squirrel-ly.
>

It isn't a problem at all since it is a failure of the drpm.  Had the OP posted 
the
rest of the transaction you'd see that it continued on and downloaded the whole 
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Re: What's wrong with new kernels

[Ambrogio]

Il giorno gio, 05/10/2017 alle 20.01 +0800, Ed Greshko ha scritto:

> Well, I am running 4.12.14-300.fc26 just fine.  This is the case even
> though my
> kernel is tainted due to running nVidia drivers and having Virtual
> Box modules loaded.
> 
> In cases like yours, the first step is to undo what you've done to
> taint your kernel
> and see if the problem can be reproduced.  If it can, you can file a
> Bugzilla.  If
> you can't reproduce it, then it is due to the taint and outside of
> the normal problem
> solving path.
I'm working on it, but I would like to disable modules instead of
removing it, because they are working with old kernel.

I will start changing grub options for that.
Bye
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Re: What's wrong with new kernels

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/05/17 19:24, Ambrogio wrote:
> I can't understand what is appening on my Fedora 26.
>
> All kernels after 4.11.11 are not working on my laptop.
>
> Abrt says that the problems cannot be submitted because kernel is
> tainted.
>
> In order to solve my problems and to help Fedora become more stable,
> can you provide me some info on how to throubleshooting the problem and
> help developer?


Well, I am running 4.12.14-300.fc26 just fine.  This is the case even though my
kernel is tainted due to running nVidia drivers and having Virtual Box modules 
loaded.

In cases like yours, the first step is to undo what you've done to taint your 
kernel
and see if the problem can be reproduced.  If it can, you can file a Bugzilla.  
If
you can't reproduce it, then it is due to the taint and outside of the normal 
problem
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What's wrong with new kernels

[Ambrogio]

Hi all,
I can't understand what is appening on my Fedora 26.

All kernels after 4.11.11 are not working on my laptop.

Abrt says that the problems cannot be submitted because kernel is
tainted.

In order to solve my problems and to help Fedora become more stable,
can you provide me some info on how to throubleshooting the problem and
help developer?

Tnx
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Re: Enable SSLv3 in Postfix

[Sam Varshavchik]

Cristian Sava writes:


I don't see any mention that glibc-2.25 has disabled SSLV3 and
glibc.spec does not seem to disable it. Am I missing something?


Maybe that's because glibc don't give a fig about SSL.

I really haven't been paying much attention, but I must've been out of town  
when glibc absorbed the entire GnuTLS or the OpenSSL library into its  
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Re: F26: Print from gnome is not respect cups directive 'ErrorPolicy retry-job'

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno mer, 04/10/2017 alle 19.42 -0700, Samuel Sieb ha scritto:
> Cups now uses mdns to broadcast printers. 

Thank Samuel.

There is some documentation for learn this news?

>  So you might need to open the mdns ports to allow those packets to
> go out. 

On lan interface of printers server I have open all port from/to it
to/from all PC, I must do something other?

>  Also you might require avahi-daemon to be running.

This service is available for default, I do not power off it.

Thanks

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Re: Enable SSLv3 in Postfix

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/05/17 10:45, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 10/04/2017 04:15 PM, Nelson Crosby wrote:
>> Because Legacy Software, I need to be able to support SSLv3 on my
>> Postfix server. From what I can figure, however, this is disabled
>> in the SSL library itself, as I still cannot get a successful
>> handshake with the following configuration line, which seems to me
>> like it should be enough to enable it:
>>
>>  smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2
>
> Just speculating, but if SSLv3 is disabled by default in the library, this is 
> not
> likely to work.  What happens if you put SSLv3 on that line instead?
>

FWIW, in examining the changelogs for openssl-libs it would appear that while 
SSv3 is
disabled by default it is designed such that an application can override the 
settings.

* Mon Jun 30 2014 Tomáš Mráz  1.0.1h-5
- disable SSLv2 and SSLv3 protocols by default (can be enabled
  via appropriate SSL_CTX_clear_options() call)

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Re: F26: Print from gnome is not respect cups directive 'ErrorPolicy retry-job'

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 4 October 2017, Samuel Sieb sent:
> Cups now uses mdns to broadcast printers.

Oh, yuck.  Yet another thing in the mix.  Three daemons just to use a
printer!  Really?!

> So you might need to open the mdns ports to allow those packets to go
> out.  Also you might require avahi-daemon to be running.

You might, but I don't.  Currently on FC26, that uname thing in my
signature is a script that runs whenever I post, it's not static.

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Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see
the messages posted to the mailing list.

It seems the modern trend with Linux programmers is to change existing software
so that it's more annoying to use (e.g. making reboots required, when they
never used to be), then denying that *that* is a nuisance, then saying it's
necessary (ignoring that several years of prior versions didn't have that
stupid requirement), then complaining about being criticised for making things
worse.  Don't try giving me an Emperor's New Clothes routine, it won't wash.
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Re: Portable Fedora that doesn't suck

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 4 October 2017, Richard Shaw sent:
> Anybody have some success stories they can share? Ideas?

I did, long ago, use a portable hard drive, with a straight
installation onto it, through a firewire connection into a friend's
Mac.  

A hard drive, or SSD these days, would seem better than flash drives,
they're notorious for quick death.

I don't know how well that kind of thing would work through USB into
any computer, though.  My experience with USB is that it's not good for
continual and prolonged sessions.  It nearly always hiccups.

-- 
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 4.12.14-300.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 20 16:28:07 UTC 2017 x86_64

Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
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the messages posted to the mailing list.

The mindset of software designers:  You know that feature that you, and
many thousands of other users, found useful?  We removed it, because
we didn't like it.  We also hard-coded the default settings that you
keep customising.
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Re: Enable SSLv3 in Postfix

[Cristian Sava]

On Thu, 2017-10-05 at 18:46 +1300, Nelson Crosby wrote:
> ... However, with the following in 
> `/etc/postfix/main.cf`:
> 
> smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2
> smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2
> 
> I can run `postconf -d` and get this output:
> 
> smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3
> smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2, !SSLv3
> 
> Which indicates to me that somewhere Postfix is overriding my
> configuration.
> Thing is, I can't seem to figure out where.
> 
I don't see any mention that glibc-2.25 has disabled SSLV3 and
glibc.spec does not seem to disable it. Am I missing something?

C. Sava
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Re: Enable SSLv3 in Postfix

[Jon LaBadie]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 06:46:10PM +1300, Nelson Crosby wrote:
> On 05/10/17 15:45, Samuel Sieb wrote:
...
> 
> It *has* been suggested to me that Postfix might be inserting `!SSLv3`
> because
> OpenSSL doesn't have that support compiled in. I think this might not be the
> case, as I can set `smtpd_tls_protocols` to basically anything (e.g.
> `!TLSv1`)
> and `postconf -d` will still tell me exactly the same thing.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I would expect "postconf -d" to behave
exactly that way.  According to my postconf manpage "-d" prints the
defaults, not the current values.

-d   Print main.cf default parameter settings instead of actual settings.

jon
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