Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

[Roberto Ragusa]

On 12/24/2017 10:00 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Sam Varshavchik  said:
>> I defy anyone to identify a tangible benefit that comes from
>> removing a static IP address from a port when it loses carrier, and
>> installing one only once a carrier is present.
> 
> It is useful for systems with multiple interfaces, for example a desktop
> with wired and wifi, and different preference default routes out both
> (so if the wired goes down, traffic can still go out over the wifi).
> Anything acting like a router also needs this behavior, typically in
> conjuction with dynamic routing protocols.
> 

Routing fail over is not a good reason to totally unconfigure an interface,
especially on machines where there is nowhere else to send packets.
You should just change the default gw, maybe.

Carrier is a local thing, routing ability is a global thing, and trying
to mix the two is wrong. Should my ethernet be unconfigured when
the DSL copper cable in my router is unplugged? So, why should it
be unconfigured when the ethernet cable between my DSL modem and me is?

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Fwd: Re: multi-head config question

[François Patte]

Le 07/12/2017 à 22:29, Andrew J. Caines a écrit :
> François,

Thank you for this answer
> 
>> I have a dual head configuration with an Nvidia graphic card, which 
>> perfectly works. but the monitors are standard ones (LG, resolution: 
>> 1280x1024) and I would like to add a monitor for treating my photos
>> with darktable.
> 
> Have you considered replacing the two small monitors with a bigger,
> higher resolution one? In some markets, the cost of a WQHD (2560x1440)
> or UHD (3840x2160) IPS or AHVA panel has come down a lot recently.

With these high resolution panels, there is a  problem with the size of
tools: for instance, I have a resolution of 1280x1024 and it is
sometimes difficult to catch the sliders of darktable tools, I fear that
it will be almost impossible to catch them with a higher resolution.
Once the devellopers will separate the display of the photos from the
tools to manipulate them (like in gimp), I would like to have the tools
on a screen with a reasonable resolution and the photos on another
screen with a higher resolution. But I am wondering if this possible
because, in that case, I need to be able to move the mouse from a screen
to another

> 
> You don't mention what kind of panels you have or want, but as I'm sure
> you know a good panel type is important for colour accuracy.
> 
> Another detail you don't mention is which driver you're using: the
> vendor-supplied nvidia driver or nouveau. For the nvidia driver, try the
> "nvidia-settings" application, as it provides much more control over
> your displays and screens.
> 
>> I am wondering if I could add another graphic card in order to have
>> a third monitor with an HD resolution (1920x1080 or more) and a
>> specific color profile.
> 
> Yes, you can add another video card if you have a free PCI port on your
> motherboard, but for the cost of a second video card and third monitor
> (in both money, space and convenience) there may be better choices.
> 
> With a single good quality, high resolution monitor connected to an
> adequate video card you can use an almost unlimited number of workspaces
> to effectively have the whole screen available for as many applications
> as you want.
> 
> The colour profiles are managed for each device. Look in "Color" in your
> Settings and you should see each device capable of supporting a profile.
> You will probably see that a profile has been automatically loaded.
> 

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Re: choices for reliable, secure browser for fedora 27 and beyond?

[Timothée Floure]

Hello,

If you're looking for a simple and "fast" browser, I would encourage you
to take a look at qutebrowser [0]. It should be "fast enough" for you
since it uses the same backend as chromium.

"A keyboard-driven, vim-like browser based on PyQt5 and QtWebEngine"

It's packaged in Fedora :-) [1]

[0] http://qutebrowser.org/
[1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/qutebrowser/overview/

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On 28/12/17 13:24, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> 
>   currently running fedora 27 on my asus laptop, and i've previously
> whined about how cripplingly slow the firefox browser is, to the point
> where i had to kill it and restart it several times a day (memory
> leak?).
> 
>   more recently, it simply locks up my entire system, typically within
> only minutes of my starting it, to the point where i've bailed on it
> and switched to chrome. at this point, since i'm not wedded to any
> particular browser, i'm open to suggestions for a simple, fast,
> reliable and secure browser for fedora.
> 
>   of course there is always opera (which i haven't used in quite some
> time so i have no idea how well that fits the bill). and if i choose
> to stick with chrome, i just ran across what looks like a hardened
> version of it, iridium:
> 
>   https://iridiumbrowser.de/downloads/fedora
> 
> i'm sure there are other possibilities, so i'm open to suggestions. i
> really wish i knew why firefox was treating me so badly, but i've
> given up trying to figure it out and just want to move on.
> 
> rday
> 



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Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Terry Barnaby]

Is anyone else seeing issues with Firefox freezing up for 30secs or more 
when web pages are opened in TABS ?


Since the latest Firefox 57 this is happening a lot for me (every 10 
mins or so). Seems to lockup while downloading the page. You can still 
operate Firefox by clicking on menu's/Tab's etc, but no tab windows have 
thier web content updated. Normally the new tabs content are blank, but 
sometimes a small amount of the web page is rendered before the freeze. 
No obvious high CPU usage when it happens. Its as if the network has 
stopped, but other applications such as google-chrome are still working.


This is with Fedora27, KDE Plasma and with an NFS mounted home directory.
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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 12:04 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 01/01/18 11:32, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > 
> > My rpcbind service seemed to have been enabled in 2011. Its current vendor 
> > preset
> > is "disabled". So, I guess, it wouldn't be enabled today, by default. Was it
> > enabled by default in 2011? No idea. What does disabling it would mean, with
> > respect to libvirt, and any guest VMs? No idea.
> 
> 
> Well, on the one system where I run VM's under virt-manager I don't have 
> rpcbind
> enabled or running and the VM's run just fine.  That system is a fresh F27 
> install
> with only KDE as the desktop.

I have a similar system (F27, KDE, Windows 10 under KVM/QEMU) and
rpcbind is running. However I haven't reinstalled this system in years,
just updated it, so I've no idea why it's running. In fact I didn't
even notice it was before reading this thread.

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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Fred Smith]

On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 12:00:59PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> Is anyone else seeing issues with Firefox freezing up for 30secs or
> more when web pages are opened in TABS ?
> 
> Since the latest Firefox 57 this is happening a lot for me (every 10
> mins or so). Seems to lockup while downloading the page. You can
> still operate Firefox by clicking on menu's/Tab's etc, but no tab
> windows have thier web content updated. Normally the new tabs
> content are blank, but sometimes a small amount of the web page is
> rendered before the freeze. No obvious high CPU usage when it
> happens. Its as if the network has stopped, but other applications
> such as google-chrome are still working.
> 
> This is with Fedora27, KDE Plasma and with an NFS mounted home directory.

I see something similar with FF57 on Centos-7. it tends to go on for
much longer than 30 seconds, and the HD activity light is pegged ON
for the duration. I'm guessing it may be a swap storm, but I don't see
unusually  high memory usage in top.

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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/01/18 20:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 12:04 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 01/01/18 11:32, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>>> My rpcbind service seemed to have been enabled in 2011. Its current vendor 
>>> preset
>>> is "disabled". So, I guess, it wouldn't be enabled today, by default. Was it
>>> enabled by default in 2011? No idea. What does disabling it would mean, with
>>> respect to libvirt, and any guest VMs? No idea.
>>
>> Well, on the one system where I run VM's under virt-manager I don't have 
>> rpcbind
>> enabled or running and the VM's run just fine.  That system is a fresh F27 
>> install
>> with only KDE as the desktop.
> I have a similar system (F27, KDE, Windows 10 under KVM/QEMU) and
> rpcbind is running. However I haven't reinstalled this system in years,
> just updated it, so I've no idea why it's running. In fact I didn't
> even notice it was before reading this thread.
>

I suppose it may be interesting to know what "rpcinfo" returns.


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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 21:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 01/01/18 20:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 12:04 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > On 01/01/18 11:32, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > > > My rpcbind service seemed to have been enabled in 2011. Its current 
> > > > vendor preset
> > > > is "disabled". So, I guess, it wouldn't be enabled today, by default. 
> > > > Was it
> > > > enabled by default in 2011? No idea. What does disabling it would mean, 
> > > > with
> > > > respect to libvirt, and any guest VMs? No idea.
> > > 
> > > Well, on the one system where I run VM's under virt-manager I don't have 
> > > rpcbind
> > > enabled or running and the VM's run just fine.  That system is a fresh 
> > > F27 install
> > > with only KDE as the desktop.
> > 
> > I have a similar system (F27, KDE, Windows 10 under KVM/QEMU) and
> > rpcbind is running. However I haven't reinstalled this system in years,
> > just updated it, so I've no idea why it's running. In fact I didn't
> > even notice it was before reading this thread.
> > 
> 
> I suppose it may be interesting to know what "rpcinfo" returns.

$ rpcinfo
   program version netid addressserviceowner
104tcp6  ::.0.111   portmapper superuser
103tcp6  ::.0.111   portmapper superuser
104udp6  ::.0.111   portmapper superuser
103udp6  ::.0.111   portmapper superuser
104tcp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
103tcp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
102tcp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
104udp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
103udp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
102udp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
104local /run/rpcbind.sock  portmapper superuser
103local /run/rpcbind.sock  portmapper superuser

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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/01/18 22:03, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 21:55 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>> I suppose it may be interesting to know what "rpcinfo" returns.
> $ rpcinfo
>program version netid addressserviceowner
> 104tcp6  ::.0.111   portmapper superuser
> 103tcp6  ::.0.111   portmapper superuser
> 104udp6  ::.0.111   portmapper superuser
> 103udp6  ::.0.111   portmapper superuser
> 104tcp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
> 103tcp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
> 102tcp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
> 104udp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
> 103udp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
> 102udp   0.0.0.0.0.111  portmapper superuser
> 104local /run/rpcbind.sock  portmapper superuser
> 103local /run/rpcbind.sock  portmapper superuser
>

So, no other rpc processes are running making rpcbind unnecessary.

You may want to consider disabling it even though it is a small footprint.


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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Tom H]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
>
> My rpcbind service seemed to have been enabled in 2011. Its current vendor
> preset is "disabled". So, I guess, it wouldn't be enabled today, by default.
> Was it enabled by default in 2011? No idea. What does disabling it would
> mean, with respect to libvirt, and any guest VMs? No idea.
>
> ... Hold on a second. Digging through Wikipedia, Fedora 16 was released a
> week before the rpcbind's enabling timestamp on my server.
>
> Grabbed
> https://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/16/Fedora/x86_64/os/Packages/rpcbind-0.2.0-15.fc16.x86_64.rpm
>
> postinstall scriptlet (using /bin/sh):
> if [ $1 -eq 1 ] ; then
># Initial installation
>/bin/systemctl enable rpcbind.service >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
> fi
>
> Well, that answers that. Happy New Year, everyone!

rpcbind should not enable itself:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1087951

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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 09:19 -0500, Tom H wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Sam Varshavchik  
> wrote:
> > 
> > My rpcbind service seemed to have been enabled in 2011. Its current vendor
> > preset is "disabled". So, I guess, it wouldn't be enabled today, by default.
> > Was it enabled by default in 2011? No idea. What does disabling it would
> > mean, with respect to libvirt, and any guest VMs? No idea.
> > 
> > ... Hold on a second. Digging through Wikipedia, Fedora 16 was released a
> > week before the rpcbind's enabling timestamp on my server.
> > 
> > Grabbed
> > https://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/16/Fedora/x86_64/os/Packages/rpcbind-0.2.0-15.fc16.x86_64.rpm
> > 
> > postinstall scriptlet (using /bin/sh):
> > if [ $1 -eq 1 ] ; then
> ># Initial installation
> >/bin/systemctl enable rpcbind.service >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
> > fi
> > 
> > Well, that answers that. Happy New Year, everyone!
> 
> rpcbind should not enable itself:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1087951

Thanks, I added a comment to the BZ report and disabled
rpcbind.service, however it's also necessary to disable and stop
rpcbind.socket.

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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/01/18 22:42, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Thanks, I added a comment to the BZ report and disabled
> rpcbind.service, however it's also necessary to disable and stop
> rpcbind.socket.


Do you feel a bit strange adding a comment to a BZ that was closed back in 
2014?  
:-) :-)

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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[George N. White III]

On 1 January 2018 at 09:27, Fred Smith 
wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 12:00:59PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> > Is anyone else seeing issues with Firefox freezing up for 30secs or
> > more when web pages are opened in TABS ?
>

I had problems with Firefox freezes (very long delays responding to any
mouse
click) on several systems (linux and macOS).  Removing the Mr. Robot add-on
(https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/16/firefox-mr-robot-extension/) seems
to have restored normal operation.


> > Since the latest Firefox 57 this is happening a lot for me (every 10
> > mins or so). Seems to lockup while downloading the page. You can
> > still operate Firefox by clicking on menu's/Tab's etc, but no tab
> > windows have thier web content updated. Normally the new tabs
> > content are blank, but sometimes a small amount of the web page is
> > rendered before the freeze. No obvious high CPU usage when it
> > happens. Its as if the network has stopped, but other applications
> > such as google-chrome are still working.
> >
> > This is with Fedora27, KDE Plasma and with an NFS mounted home directory.
>
> I see something similar with FF57 on Centos-7. it tends to go on for
> much longer than 30 seconds, and the HD activity light is pegged ON
> for the duration. I'm guessing it may be a swap storm, but I don't see
> unusually  high memory usage in top.
>
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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/01/18 23:03, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 01/01/18 22:42, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> Thanks, I added a comment to the BZ report and disabled
>> rpcbind.service, however it's also necessary to disable and stop
>> rpcbind.socket.
>
> Do you feel a bit strange adding a comment to a BZ that was closed back in 
> 2014?  
> :-) :-)
>

Sorry, I should have added that you had said you've not reinstalled your system 
in
years.  So, once rcpbind gets enabled it stays enabled until it is specifically
disabled.  So, it would seem it was enabled by virtue of the "bug" back in 2014 
and
not noticed until now.  The bug fix didn't disable it from starting.  That had 
to be
done by the end user.  

So, while you have the "problem" it isn't because of F27 but simply because 
back in
F21 it got enabled and stayed enabled.

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Re: Fwd: Re: multi-head config question

[Tony Nelson]

On 18-01-01 06:24:22, François Patte wrote:
 ...
With these high resolution panels, there is a  problem with the size  
of

tools: for instance, I have a resolution of 1280x1024 and it is
sometimes difficult to catch the sliders ...

 ...

Fiddle with the screen's DPI setting.

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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 23:10 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 01/01/18 23:03, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 01/01/18 22:42, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > Thanks, I added a comment to the BZ report and disabled
> > > rpcbind.service, however it's also necessary to disable and stop
> > > rpcbind.socket.
> > 
> > Do you feel a bit strange adding a comment to a BZ that was closed back in 
> > 2014?  
> > :-) :-)
> > 
> 
> Sorry, I should have added that you had said you've not reinstalled your 
> system in
> years.  So, once rcpbind gets enabled it stays enabled until it is 
> specifically
> disabled.  So, it would seem it was enabled by virtue of the "bug" back in 
> 2014 and
> not noticed until now.  The bug fix didn't disable it from starting.  That 
> had to be
> done by the end user.  
> 
> So, while you have the "problem" it isn't because of F27 but simply because 
> back in
> F21 it got enabled and stayed enabled.

Very likely. I'll add that remark to the BZ comment.

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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 23:03 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 01/01/18 22:42, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Thanks, I added a comment to the BZ report and disabled
> > rpcbind.service, however it's also necessary to disable and stop
> > rpcbind.socket.
> 
> 
> Do you feel a bit strange adding a comment to a BZ that was closed back in 
> 2014?  
> :-) :-)

You say that like you've never done it. I've had to do it more than
once :-)

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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Terry Barnaby]

On 01/01/18 15:07, George N. White III wrote:
On 1 January 2018 at 09:27, Fred Smith > wrote:


On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 12:00:59PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> Is anyone else seeing issues with Firefox freezing up for 30secs or
> more when web pages are opened in TABS ?


I had problems with Firefox freezes (very long delays responding to 
any mouse
click) on several systems (linux and macOS).  Removing the Mr. Robot 
add-on

(https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/16/firefox-mr-robot-extension/) seems
to have restored normal operation.

> Since the latest Firefox 57 this is happening a lot for me (every 10
> mins or so). Seems to lockup while downloading the page. You can
> still operate Firefox by clicking on menu's/Tab's etc, but no tab
> windows have thier web content updated. Normally the new tabs
> content are blank, but sometimes a small amount of the web page is
> rendered before the freeze. No obvious high CPU usage when it
> happens. Its as if the network has stopped, but other applications
> such as google-chrome are still working.
>
> This is with Fedora27, KDE Plasma and with an NFS mounted home
directory.

I see something similar with FF57 on Centos-7. it tends to go on for
much longer than 30 seconds, and the HD activity light is pegged ON
for the duration. I'm guessing it may be a swap storm, but I don't see
unusually  high memory usage in top.

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Well, in my case it is also often longer than 30 secs, not sure how long 
as I normally go and do something else while its loading the pages. I 
don't think it is disk related, no obvious activity (SSD disk and 16 G 
of RAM). No addons and reset all Firefox settings etc. Internet access 
here is 80/20 Mbps FTTP and seems solid so I don't think it is Internet 
connection related.


But the problem does seems to be network access related, maybe multiple 
thread locking issues in Firefox ?


Terry

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Not Quite OT: ebook readers?

[Beartooth]

Onnellista Uutta Voutta! ( = Happy New Year!, I hope.) 

What software do people here favor for reading ebooks? 

I have a little System76 netbook ("starling" model) which I 
bought several years ago (and immediately converted to Fedora) for doing 
email in waiting rooms. But the ones I wait in are getting so efficient 
that I often don't even get to their wi-fi before my wait is over. So I 
usually just carry a book with a good bookmark; but I guess that would 
also be a place to try reading an ebook -- and there are vast numbers of 
them out there ...

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433 MHz data links -

[Bob Goodwin]

Has anyone found a scheme for displaying data from remote weather 
sensors on a Fedora computer?


I have several such remote devises that I would like to display on my 
desktop computer.


Any suggestions or thoughts appreciated,

Bob

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Re: Not Quite OT: ebook readers?

[Tom Horsley]

On Mon, 1 Jan 2018 16:50:08 + (UTC)
Beartooth wrote:

> but I guess that would 
> also be a place to try reading an ebook -- and there are vast numbers of 
> them out there ...

I use calibre for all my ebook needs on linux (but I mostly use it
to hold the books and do most of my reading on my android tablet
with fbreader).
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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Peter Gueckel]

This sounds like this Bug:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1529922
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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Peter Gueckel]

It sounds like this bug:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1529922
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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Stephen Perkins]

I had the same problem with FF 57 on Fedora 26; found solution on FF forum:

go to about:config
and set accessibility.force_disabled = 1 (it's 0 by default)

worked for me.

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Terry Barnaby  wrote:

> On 01/01/18 15:07, George N. White III wrote:
>
> On 1 January 2018 at 09:27, Fred Smith 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 12:00:59PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
>> > Is anyone else seeing issues with Firefox freezing up for 30secs or
>> > more when web pages are opened in TABS ?
>>
>
> I had problems with Firefox freezes (very long delays responding to any
> mouse
> click) on several systems (linux and macOS).  Removing the Mr. Robot add-on
> (https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/16/firefox-mr-robot-extension/) seems
> to have restored normal operation.
>
>
>> > Since the latest Firefox 57 this is happening a lot for me (every 10
>> > mins or so). Seems to lockup while downloading the page. You can
>> > still operate Firefox by clicking on menu's/Tab's etc, but no tab
>> > windows have thier web content updated. Normally the new tabs
>> > content are blank, but sometimes a small amount of the web page is
>> > rendered before the freeze. No obvious high CPU usage when it
>> > happens. Its as if the network has stopped, but other applications
>> > such as google-chrome are still working.
>> >
>> > This is with Fedora27, KDE Plasma and with an NFS mounted home
>> directory.
>>
>> I see something similar with FF57 on Centos-7. it tends to go on for
>> much longer than 30 seconds, and the HD activity light is pegged ON
>> for the duration. I'm guessing it may be a swap storm, but I don't see
>> unusually  high memory usage in top.
>>
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> Well, in my case it is also often longer than 30 secs, not sure how long
> as I normally go and do something else while its loading the pages. I don't
> think it is disk related, no obvious activity (SSD disk and 16 G of RAM).
> No addons and reset all Firefox settings etc. Internet access here is 80/20
> Mbps FTTP and seems solid so I don't think it is Internet connection
> related.
>
> But the problem does seems to be network access related, maybe multiple
> thread locking issues in Firefox ?
>
> Terry
>
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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Terry Barnaby]

On 01/01/18 20:38, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 01/01/2018 12:15 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:


I don't think it is that one. The display is fine all other 
applications run fine. Its just that the Firefox tab does not load 
any content for a while. I can still operate Firefox clicking on 
things etc, but no tab will update its contents.


Have you tried the Firefox Help Site?  This may not be Linux related, 
and it doesn't hurt to ask.

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Will do so, just trying to find out if it is well known on 
Fedora/KDE/Plasma or if it could be a one off due to something in my 
setup/config somewhere.

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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2018-01-02 at 04:33 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 01/02/18 00:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 23:03 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > On 01/01/18 22:42, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > Thanks, I added a comment to the BZ report and disabled
> > > > rpcbind.service, however it's also necessary to disable and stop
> > > > rpcbind.socket.
> > > 
> > > Do you feel a bit strange adding a comment to a BZ that was closed back 
> > > in 2014?  
> > > :-) :-)
> > 
> > You say that like you've never done it. I've had to do it more than
> > once :-)
> > 
> 
> But, of course.  And each time I've done it I relied on the kindness (aka 
> sarcasm) of
> others to set me straight.  :-)

Naturally, however I a few weeks ago I reported a bug concerning
SElinux problems when starting a KVM/QEMU VM. I remember you commenting
on it at the time. The bug was closed by someone but still exists. I
reported this and it has been reopened. No progress on it has happened
since then and the bug persists. I mention this only to point out that
a closed bug is not always a solved bug.

In the present case of course there's almost certainly no actual bug,
so 'closed' is likely the correct state of affairs.

poc
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Re: Not just rpcbind, but man db update as well

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/02/18 00:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 23:03 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 01/01/18 22:42, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> Thanks, I added a comment to the BZ report and disabled
>>> rpcbind.service, however it's also necessary to disable and stop
>>> rpcbind.socket.
>>
>> Do you feel a bit strange adding a comment to a BZ that was closed back in 
>> 2014?  
>> :-) :-)
> You say that like you've never done it. I've had to do it more than
> once :-)
>
But, of course.  And each time I've done it I relied on the kindness (aka 
sarcasm) of
others to set me straight.  :-)

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Re: Is i686 dead and gone??

[chicago]

On 2018-01-01 14:12, Beartooth wrote:

I have a Thinkpad T42 which I haven't used for so long I don't
remember what's on it. When I try to boot it, it complains that it 
can't,

and asks me to use a "kernel appropriate for your CPU."


My main purpose is to get it usable again, preferably with Fedora
27, if that's possible. (I run F27 on all our other machines.)

I'd prefer to examine it first, if there's a way. If I run a USB
cable between it and a F27 PC, can I then mount it as if it were a
storage medium and display the contents??

Fwiw, it mounted and opened UBCD; but when I chose "CPU Info"
from UBCD's menu, it flashed up something about "stress" -- and then 
went

black.


Sorry for asking the obvious
but http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T42 says
you have a Pentium M.

Did you download the i386 iso?

Sincerely,


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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Terry Barnaby]

On 01/01/18 17:30, Peter Gueckel wrote:

It sounds like this bug:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1529922
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I don't think it is that one. The display is fine all other applications 
run fine. Its just that the Firefox tab does not load any content for a 
while. I can still operate Firefox clicking on things etc, but no tab 
will update its contents.


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Is i686 dead and gone??

[Beartooth]

I have a Thinkpad T42 which I haven't used for so long I don't 
remember what's on it. When I try to boot it, it complains that it can't, 
and asks me to use a "kernel appropriate for your CPU."  


My main purpose is to get it usable again, preferably with Fedora 
27, if that's possible. (I run F27 on all our other machines.)

I'd prefer to examine it first, if there's a way. If I run a USB 
cable between it and a F27 PC, can I then mount it as if it were a 
storage medium and display the contents??

Fwiw, it mounted and opened UBCD; but when I chose "CPU Info" 
from UBCD's menu, it flashed up something about "stress" -- and then went 
black.

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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Howard Howell]

On Mon, 2018-01-01 at 13:08 -0500, Stephen Perkins wrote:
> I had the same problem with FF 57 on Fedora 26; found solution on FF
> forum:
> 
> go to about:config
> and set accessibility.force_disabled = 1 (it's 0 by default)
> 
> worked for me.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Terry Barnaby 
> wrote:
> >   
> > 
> >   
> >   
> > 
> > On 01/01/18 15:07, George N. White III
> >   wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >   On 1 January 2018 at 09:27, Fred Smith  > > eham.ma.us>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > > On
> > > > Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 12:00:59PM +, Terry
> > > > Barnaby
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Is anyone else seeing issues with Firefox
> > > > freezing
> > > > up for 30secs or
> > > > 
> > > > > more when web pages are opened in TABS ?
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I had problems with Firefox freezes (very long delays
> > >   responding to any mouse 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > click) on several systems (linux and macOS). 
> > > Removing
> > >   the Mr. Robot add-on
> > > (https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/16/firefox-mr-robot
> > > -extension/)
> > >   seems 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > to have restored normal operation.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > > > Since the latest Firefox 57 this is happening
> > > > a lot
> > > > for me (every 10
> > > > 
> > > > > mins or so). Seems to lockup while
> > > > downloading the
> > > > page. You can
> > > > 
> > > > > still operate Firefox by clicking on
> > > > menu's/Tab's
> > > > etc, but no tab
> > > > 
> > > > > windows have thier web content updated.
> > > > Normally
> > > > the new tabs
> > > > 
> > > > > content are blank, but sometimes a small
> > > > amount of
> > > > the web page is
> > > > 
> > > > > rendered before the freeze. No obvious high
> > > > CPU
> > > > usage when it
> > > > 
> > > > > happens. Its as if the network has stopped,
> > > > but
> > > > other applications
> > > > 
> > > > > such as google-chrome are still working.
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > This is with Fedora27, KDE Plasma and with an
> > > > NFS
> > > > mounted home directory.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   I see something similar with FF57 on Centos-7. it
> > > >   tends to go on for
> > > > 
> > > >   much longer than 30 seconds, and the HD activity
> > > > light is
> > > >   pegged ON
> > > > 
> > > >   for the duration. I'm guessing it may be a swap
> > > > storm, but
> > > >   I don't see
> > > > 
> > > >   unusually  high memory usage in top.
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > >   --
> > > > 
> > > >    Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma
> > > > .us
> > > >   -
> > > > 
> > > >   The Lord is like a
> > > > strong
> > > >   tower.
> > > > 
> > > >Those who do what is right can
> > > > run to him
> > > >   for safety.
> > > > 
> > > >   --- Proverbs 18:10
> > > > (niv)
> > > >   -
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > ___
> > > George N. White III 
> > > 
> > > Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > >   
> > >   
> > > 
> > >   ___
> > 
> >   Terry
> >   
MY FF had not frozen or stopped, but it had gotten slow.  making this
setting:go to about:config
> and set accessibility.force_disabled = 1 (it's 0 by default)
As recommended did change the apparent speed of loading pages.  Thanks.
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Re: micro dropout's playing video's / card games or just scrolling in an terminal.

[sixpack13]

thanks again.
and a happy new year !

It is sufficing to watch card dealing to see many problem.
I see a dropout or interrupt on the way a player get his cards during dealing: 
deal, moving cards, -stuck/delay-, moving cards further.

Anyway I think one with a intel onboard graphic need to test this.

for the record I opened a bug report:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1529986


P.S.
the card game isn't that complicated. It's about mathematics and strategy...
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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Ed Greshko]

On 01/02/18 04:42, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> On 01/01/18 20:38, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 01/01/2018 12:15 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think it is that one. The display is fine all other applications run
>>> fine. Its just that the Firefox tab does not load any content for a while. 
>>> I can
>>> still operate Firefox clicking on things etc, but no tab will update its 
>>> contents.
>>
>> Have you tried the Firefox Help Site?  This may not be Linux related, and it
>> doesn't hurt to ask.
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> Will do so, just trying to find out if it is well known on Fedora/KDE/Plasma 
> or if
> it could be a one off due to something in my setup/config somewhere.
>

FWIW, I do not use FF extensively.  It is configured to use a proxy and I only 
use it
to access US based media sites.  When I do use it I've not noticed any problems.

You mention your home directory is NFS mounted.  You may want to consider 
moving and
creating a symbolic link to ~/.cache/mozilla to local storage.

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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Terry Barnaby]

On 01/01/18 18:08, Stephen Perkins wrote:
I had the same problem with FF 57 on Fedora 26; found solution on FF 
forum:


go to about:config
and set accessibility.force_disabled = 1 (it's 0 by default)

worked for me.

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Terry Barnaby > wrote:


On 01/01/18 15:07, George N. White III wrote:

On 1 January 2018 at 09:27, Fred Smith
mailto:fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us>> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 12:00:59PM +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> Is anyone else seeing issues with Firefox freezing up for
30secs or
> more when web pages are opened in TABS ?


I had problems with Firefox freezes (very long delays responding
to any mouse
click) on several systems (linux and macOS).  Removing the Mr.
Robot add-on
(https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/16/firefox-mr-robot-extension/
)
seems
to have restored normal operation.

> Since the latest Firefox 57 this is happening a lot for me
(every 10
> mins or so). Seems to lockup while downloading the page.
You can
> still operate Firefox by clicking on menu's/Tab's etc, but
no tab
> windows have thier web content updated. Normally the new tabs
> content are blank, but sometimes a small amount of the web
page is
> rendered before the freeze. No obvious high CPU usage when it
> happens. Its as if the network has stopped, but other
applications
> such as google-chrome are still working.
>
> This is with Fedora27, KDE Plasma and with an NFS mounted
home directory.

I see something similar with FF57 on Centos-7. it tends to go
on for
much longer than 30 seconds, and the HD activity light is
pegged ON
for the duration. I'm guessing it may be a swap storm, but I
don't see
unusually  high memory usage in top.

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Well, in my case it is also often longer than 30 secs, not sure
how long as I normally go and do something else while its loading
the pages. I don't think it is disk related, no obvious activity
(SSD disk and 16 G of RAM). No addons and reset all Firefox
settings etc. Internet access here is 80/20 Mbps FTTP and seems
solid so I don't think it is Internet connection related.

But the problem does seems to be network access related, maybe
multiple thread locking issues in Firefox ?

Terry


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I did see this one mentioned for MS Windows systems and tried it just in 
case, but it did not seem to have any effect in may case.


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Re: Fwd: Re: multi-head config question

[François Patte]

Le 01/01/2018 à 16:22, Tony Nelson a écrit :
> On 18-01-01 06:24:22, François Patte wrote:
>  ...
>> With these high resolution panels, there is a  problem with the size of
>> tools: for instance, I have a resolution of 1280x1024 and it is
>> sometimes difficult to catch the sliders ...
>  ...
> 
> Fiddle with the screen's DPI setting.

I don't understand what you mean: is it possible to change a screen
resolution localy?

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Re: Fedora27: Firefox freezes

[Joe Zeff]

On 01/01/2018 12:15 PM, Terry Barnaby wrote:


I don't think it is that one. The display is fine all other applications 
run fine. Its just that the Firefox tab does not load any content for a 
while. I can still operate Firefox clicking on things etc, but no tab 
will update its contents.


Have you tried the Firefox Help Site?  This may not be Linux related, 
and it doesn't hurt to ask.

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autofs error : setautomntent: lookup(sss): setautomntent: No such file or directory

[Angelo Moreschini]

Hi,

I am trying with autofs,  but I get this error when I check the status of
the service:

*"setautomntent: lookup(sss): setautomntent: No such file or directory"*

the full output is:


[angelo_dev@localhost ~]$ sudo systemctl status autofs
● autofs.service - Automounts filesystems on demand
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/autofs.service; enabled)
   Active: active (running) since Tue 2018-01-02 08:28:29 IST; 7min ago
  Process: 5722 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/automount $OPTIONS --pid-file
/run/autofs.pid (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
 Main PID: 5724 (automount)
   CGroup: /system.slice/autofs.service
   └─5724 /usr/sbin/automount --pid-file /run/autofs.pid

Jan 02 08:28:29 localhost.pluto automount[5724]: setautomntent:
lookup(sss): setautomntent: No such file or directory



I also cannot enter (with  command) the directories located on a USB HD
that I try to mount automatically.



To configure autofs I made this :

I added this line to the file /etc/auto.master (that was created at
installation of autofs) :
/-/etc/auto.misc

and these lines to file /etc/auto.misc :
/media/BKx_programmingntfs   PRTZ_programming
/media/BKx_data-commonntfs   PRTZ_data-common



I also created the partitions
*PRTZ_programming ,  PRTZ_data-common * on the USB HD that I try to mount

and  the mounting points :

*/media/BKx_data-common*

*/media/BKx_programming*

please help me to understand the error and to solve this problem

thank you

Angelo
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