Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 12:05 PM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:

 > That's because you already added the selinux changes to fix that.

I didn't though. It works automatically, the only difference between now 
and then is that I am using the command systemctl hibernate to trigger 
hibernation. Before, I had set "On Power Button Press: Hibernate" from 
Gnome Power Options.


Interesting.  That's the command I was using and it was blocked by 
selinux.  Although I was testing with F32 beta, so maybe there has been 
an update that fixed it in F31.

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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 21:56, Ed Greshko wrote:


Is there any reason to suspect that version 13 clients aren't backward 
compatible with version 10 server?


Murphy's Law
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 22:02, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-04-19 12:04, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

It brings up

https://nextcloud.com/clients/

but these are for version 13.  We are on version 10


Oh, and if you search "nextcloud older windows clients" you get to

https://github.com/nextcloud/desktop/releases

So, there's that.



Thank you.  I added it to my documentation
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-04-19 12:04, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> It brings up
>
> https://nextcloud.com/clients/
>
> but these are for version 13.  We are on version 10

Oh, and if you search "nextcloud older windows clients" you get to

https://github.com/nextcloud/desktop/releases

So, there's that.

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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-04-19 12:04, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 2020-04-18 21:01, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 2020-04-19 11:44, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>>> On 2020-04-17 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:
 On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
> one location and five Windows workstations, each
> at a different location.
>
> The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
> the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.
>
> Question, what is the best to go about this?

 NextCloud?
>>>
>>> nextcloud.com wants a ton of money per year.  But
>>> we have a copy in our repo.  What is going on?
>>>
>>> And where do I find the Windows clients?
>>
>> Does doing a google search (or whatever is your favorite search engine) for 
>> "nextcloud windows client" not
>> return any useful information?
>
> It brings up
>
> https://nextcloud.com/clients/
>
> but these are for version 13.  We are on version 10

That is the same link which was provided by Samuel.

Is there any reason to suspect that version 13 clients aren't backward 
compatible with version 10 server?

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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 20:59, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/18/20 7:18 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Because Brave is not part of Fedora, although it should
be, especially with Firefox working on fewer and fewer
websites.  Firefox is dying and that is really sad.  I have been 


I haven't noticed this, but if so, it's because Google nearly has a 
monopoly now and they're doing the embrace and extend of the web.


It has been driving me crazy.  The last site to bork
was Intel's sales contact page.  Can't send the message
after filling out their forms
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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

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On 2020-04-18 20:58, Tim via users wrote:

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 19:18 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Because Brave is not part of Fedora, although it should
be, especially with Firefox working on fewer and fewer
websites.  Firefox is dying and that is really sad.


I cannot say that I've noticed that, at all.

If anything, over recent years I've seen less and less of websites that
depend on a particular browser.  In recent times I've seen a couple,
that tell me to upgrade my browser, with an error message that's
actually related to having to downgrade my browser (back to some
version from several years ago).
  



Hi Tim,

I provide IT services to small businesses that can not
afford their own staff.  What I have noticed is that
Firefox no longer works on business to business portals,
especially government ones.  And online ordering has
been impacted too.  You can't finalize and place an
order on swansonvitamins.com.  The only tech support
and sales chat service I can get to work is Star Tech's.
Things are just getting worse and worse.

What I have been doing is installing both Firefox and
Brave on customer's machines. I tell them if one
browser does not work, use the other.  I have had to
make folks default browser Brave due to these issues.

This is sad as I adore Firefox and hate to see it
dying like this.

The thing is that Firefox is not tolerant of mistakes
on web sites.  They are purest and think the web site
should be fixed.  The customers do not care.  Their
attitude is "either it works or it does not.  Here
is a quarter, go tell your excuses to someone that
cares.  I will use what works."  It is harsh, but it
is also reality.

-T
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 9:09 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-18 21:01, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/18/20 8:44 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-17 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.

Question, what is the best to go about this?


NextCloud?


nextcloud.com wants a ton of money per year.  But
we have a copy in our repo.  What is going on?


That's for hosting.


And where do I find the Windows clients?


https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients


What is your take on their "AppImage" for Linux.
A good thing?  I'd rather stick with RPM's if
possible


I have been using their tarball installed version for a while because of 
the lack of updates in Fedora.  It can update itself when new versions 
are released.  Now that there is a new version in Fedora, I'll look into 
trying to switch back to that.

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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 9:06 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-18 21:01, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/18/20 8:44 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-17 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.

Question, what is the best to go about this?


NextCloud?


nextcloud.com wants a ton of money per year.  But
we have a copy in our repo.  What is going on?


That's for hosting.


They did not make that really clear.

I wonder why we are still on version 10, if they
are on version 13?  Did our intrepid testers stop
something awful from coming through?


nextcloud was kind of on hold in Fedora for a while.  There are builds 
for 18, but I don't know why they aren't available.  You can get them 
from koji:

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=23789


And where do I find the Windows clients?


https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients


Hope they work for version 10!  I will find out shortly.


The clients are backwards compatible.
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 21:01, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/18/20 8:44 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-17 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.

Question, what is the best to go about this?


NextCloud?


nextcloud.com wants a ton of money per year.  But
we have a copy in our repo.  What is going on?


That's for hosting.


And where do I find the Windows clients?


https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients


What is your take on their "AppImage" for Linux.
A good thing?  I'd rather stick with RPM's if
possible
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 21:01, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/18/20 8:44 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-17 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.

Question, what is the best to go about this?


NextCloud?


nextcloud.com wants a ton of money per year.  But
we have a copy in our repo.  What is going on?


That's for hosting.


They did not make that really clear.

I wonder why we are still on version 10, if they
are on version 13?  Did our intrepid testers stop
something awful from coming through?


And where do I find the Windows clients?


https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients


Hope they work for version 10!  I will find out shortly.

Thank you!
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Re: netfsname: command not found

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 7:44 PM, Hiisi wrote:

You are right. It's a script actually:
workspace/tmp/jake/wnprun/bin/witnotp: Bourne-Again shell script,
ASCII text executable

The line that causes the error is:
wnp_dir=`netfsname $wnp_dir`
Maybe I will play with it trying to substitute that outdated bash
commands. What would be your guess for netfsname?


No idea, I can't find any reference for it.  Check what the following 
lines do with it.  Maybe you can just comment it out since you're 
probably not using a network filesystem.

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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 21:01, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-04-19 11:44, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-17 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.

Question, what is the best to go about this?


NextCloud?


nextcloud.com wants a ton of money per year.  But
we have a copy in our repo.  What is going on?

And where do I find the Windows clients?


Does doing a google search (or whatever is your favorite search engine) for 
"nextcloud windows client" not
return any useful information?


It brings up

https://nextcloud.com/clients/

but these are for version 13.  We are on version 10


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Re: dnf question

[Tim via users]

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 15:33 -0500, David wrote:
> There is a poster on Reddit criticizing dnf as being too slow.

Compared with what?

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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 8:44 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-17 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.

Question, what is the best to go about this?


NextCloud?


nextcloud.com wants a ton of money per year.  But
we have a copy in our repo.  What is going on?


That's for hosting.


And where do I find the Windows clients?


https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-04-19 11:44, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 2020-04-17 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>>> I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
>>> one location and five Windows workstations, each
>>> at a different location.
>>>
>>> The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
>>> the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.
>>>
>>> Question, what is the best to go about this?
>>
>> NextCloud?
>
> nextcloud.com wants a ton of money per year.  But
> we have a copy in our repo.  What is going on?
>
> And where do I find the Windows clients?

Does doing a google search (or whatever is your favorite search engine) for 
"nextcloud windows client" not
return any useful information?


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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 7:18 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Because Brave is not part of Fedora, although it should
be, especially with Firefox working on fewer and fewer
websites.  Firefox is dying and that is really sad.  I have been 


I haven't noticed this, but if so, it's because Google nearly has a 
monopoly now and they're doing the embrace and extend of the web.

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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[Tim via users]

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 19:18 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Because Brave is not part of Fedora, although it should
> be, especially with Firefox working on fewer and fewer
> websites.  Firefox is dying and that is really sad.

I cannot say that I've noticed that, at all.

If anything, over recent years I've seen less and less of websites that
depend on a particular browser.  In recent times I've seen a couple,
that tell me to upgrade my browser, with an error message that's
actually related to having to downgrade my browser (back to some
version from several years ago).
 
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-17 16:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.

Question, what is the best to go about this?


NextCloud?


nextcloud.com wants a ton of money per year.  But
we have a copy in our repo.  What is going on?

And where do I find the Windows clients?
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Re: Old GCC versions

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-04-19 10:46, Hiisi wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:07 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>> I deleted the original email, so I'm replying to this one.
>> Can't you get an already compiled boost 1.41 from an old Fedora or
>> CentOS version and use that?
>> ___
> Where would I get that? I have downloaded old boost, but it needs to
> be compiled in order to link it.
>
>

Old versions of Fedora can be found at 
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/
CentOS images are at http://isoredirect.centos.org/centos

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Re: Old GCC versions

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On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:07 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
> I deleted the original email, so I'm replying to this one.
> Can't you get an already compiled boost 1.41 from an old Fedora or
> CentOS version and use that?
> ___
Where would I get that? I have downloaded old boost, but it needs to
be compiled in order to link it.


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Re: netfsname: command not found

[Hiisi]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:44 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>

> Are you sure that's a binary?  That looks more like a script of some
> sort.  What does "file wnprun/bin/witnotp" say?

You are right. It's a script actually:
workspace/tmp/jake/wnprun/bin/witnotp: Bourne-Again shell script,
ASCII text executable

The line that causes the error is:
wnp_dir=`netfsname $wnp_dir`
Maybe I will play with it trying to substitute that outdated bash
commands. What would be your guess for netfsname?
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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 15:05, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 13:56 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-18 13:22, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-04-19 02:10, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

To get FC32 to upgrade on on eof my VM's, I have to add

--disablerepo=brave*

to the following:


#dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh --disablerepo=brave*
...
# dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=32 --allowerasing --best 
--disablerepo=brave*


Aside from the fact that F32 issues/comments should be going to the test list, 
"brave" isn't a fedora
repo/project.  So, just like rpmfusion, it need not be mentioned here.



Hi Ed,

Kinda sorta yes and kinda sorta no.

This is for folks "using" Fedora, so non OS things do
get discussed.  And the testing folks did announce
FC32 here.

I will also post over on the testing group.  Probably
get told the same thing.


Why would you be told the same thing?


Because Brave is not part of Fedora, although it should
be, especially with Firefox working on fewer and fewer
websites.  Firefox is dying and that is really sad.  I have been a fan 
of it since Netscape.  Brave is also the most private of all the 
Browsers.  See:

https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf


The Test list is clearly where
this should go (except for the Brave stuff which as Ed says is not part
of Fedora).

poc


My intention was since Brave does run and run well
on Fedora that other may have had the same issue
I had and would appreciate seeing how to handle it.
Plus the fix action will work with other programs
having the same issue.

I was being helpful.  A lot of folks on this list
have been extremely helpful to me, so I was giving
back.
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Re: device names

[Roger Heflin]

If you are managing 1 or 10 that are not the same, then yes,  but if
one is managing 10,000+ physical linu servers with a very few
models/layouts (spanning the 5-9 year life you are dealing with) and
you up front determine the mappings by model then by pcid mapping is
great.

Prior to the pciids naming scheme, it depended on the order the
drivers were loaded, and if you added the cards after the fact it
showed up after the current cards (udev rule mapping by mac address
and/or mac address mapping in ifcfg files).

And if you involve the mac addresses anywhere replacing any failing
hardware becomes a complicated process, as you have to find the udev
rule/ifcfg-hwaddr and fix it, and if the node was dead when you do the
replacement one has to often take it to single user mode and sort out
the mac addresses.With the pciids, then replacement with a like
identical replacement is easy, as the new machine just boots up and
works, with mac addresses, it does boot up, but the network fails and
has to be manually fixed.   And when one is managing a bunch of
systems this becomes a problem, the pciids also result in the
configurations of a like model all having the exact same names for the
same physical cards at the same locations which make things much
simpler for the automation building systems and the people cabling the
systems.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 5:42 AM Ian Chapman  wrote:
>
> On 13/04/2020 07:47, Roger Heflin wrote:
>
> > The only negative part I have seen is that on one of my desktop
> > systems at home removing/adding a pci card changes the PCI-busid of
> > the built-in network card (guessing badly designed/coded bios).
>
> And that's exactly why the whole naming this is a PITA and doesn't solve
> much anyway. It really is not that easier now playing guess the NIC than
> it was when everything was eth*. Besides the supposed slot numbering
> system often does match reality for the same reasons you say... the BIOS
> being stupid.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Ian Chapman
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Re: dnf question

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-04-19 07:28, George N. White III wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 19:02, Patrick O'Callaghan  > wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 15:33 -0500, David wrote:
> > There is a poster on Reddit criticizing dnf as being too slow.
> >
> > I do not use Reddit.
> >
> > But here is my question.
> >
> > The terminal emulator is running in wayland.  Right ?
> >
> > So is it fair to compare that to a distro or DE not using wayland ?
> >
> > Obviously, I have no clue what I am talking about.
> >
> > Also, if dnf speed is important to you, should you not reduce 
> unnecessary
> > processes or do it in the tty ?
>
> I seriously doubt that the effect of the terminal emulator on dnf speed
> is even measurable. The whole thing is dominated by network I/O and
> local processing of package files.
>
> poc
>
>
> I also use Ubuntu and Debian distros.   The "apt" tool is quite a bit faster 
> than "dnf" on the same 
> hardware, and they have aptitude, a text-mode front-end that is fast and 
> gives quick access to 
> package descriptions and can download change logs with a single keypress.
>

I suppose more digging is actually required..

Is the speed difference due to network/mirror access or local processing?  Does 
apt cache data/info
for a longer period than dnf or in a more efficient manner?

Rather than comparing dnf to apt I think it is more important, if the speed 
irritates one, is to identify
the steps dnf is taking and which of those steps are more or less responsible. 

Analogous to "systemd-analyze blame".


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Re: dnf question

[George N. White III]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 19:02, Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 15:33 -0500, David wrote:
> > There is a poster on Reddit criticizing dnf as being too slow.
> >
> > I do not use Reddit.
> >
> > But here is my question.
> >
> > The terminal emulator is running in wayland.  Right ?
> >
> > So is it fair to compare that to a distro or DE not using wayland ?
> >
> > Obviously, I have no clue what I am talking about.
> >
> > Also, if dnf speed is important to you, should you not reduce unnecessary
> > processes or do it in the tty ?
>
> I seriously doubt that the effect of the terminal emulator on dnf speed
> is even measurable. The whole thing is dominated by network I/O and
> local processing of package files.
>
> poc
>

I also use Ubuntu and Debian distros.   The "apt" tool is quite a bit
faster than "dnf" on the same
hardware, and they have aptitude, a text-mode front-end that is fast and
gives quick access to
package descriptions and can download change logs with a single keypress.


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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-04-19 06:03, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 12:30 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>> On 2020-04-18 11:10, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> To get FC32 to upgrade on on eof my VM's, I have to add
>>>
>>>--disablerepo=brave*
>>>
>>> to the following:
>>>
>>>
>>> #dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh --disablerepo=brave*
>>> ...
>>> # dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=32 --allowerasing 
>>> --best --disablerepo=brave*
>>>
>>> -T
>> Opened:
>>
>> GPG check FAILED on RPM installation with Fedora 32
>> https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/9315
> Once again: F32 is unreleased. Bug reports should be notified on the
> Test list.

And, once again, brave isn't part of Fedora.


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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 13:56 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 2020-04-18 13:22, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 2020-04-19 02:10, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > > To get FC32 to upgrade on on eof my VM's, I have to add
> > > 
> > >--disablerepo=brave*
> > > 
> > > to the following:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > #dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh --disablerepo=brave*
> > > ...
> > > # dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=32 --allowerasing 
> > > --best --disablerepo=brave*
> > 
> > Aside from the fact that F32 issues/comments should be going to the test 
> > list, "brave" isn't a fedora
> > repo/project.  So, just like rpmfusion, it need not be mentioned here.
> > 
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> Kinda sorta yes and kinda sorta no.
> 
> This is for folks "using" Fedora, so non OS things do
> get discussed.  And the testing folks did announce
> FC32 here.
> 
> I will also post over on the testing group.  Probably
> get told the same thing.

Why would you be told the same thing? The Test list is clearly where
this should go (except for the Brave stuff which as Ed says is not part
of Fedora).

poc
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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 12:30 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 2020-04-18 11:10, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > To get FC32 to upgrade on on eof my VM's, I have to add
> > 
> >--disablerepo=brave*
> > 
> > to the following:
> > 
> > 
> > #dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh --disablerepo=brave*
> > ...
> > # dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=32 --allowerasing 
> > --best --disablerepo=brave*
> > 
> > -T
> 
> Opened:
> 
> GPG check FAILED on RPM installation with Fedora 32
> https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/9315

Once again: F32 is unreleased. Bug reports should be notified on the
Test list.

poc
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Re: dnf question

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 15:33 -0500, David wrote:
> There is a poster on Reddit criticizing dnf as being too slow.
> 
> I do not use Reddit.
> 
> But here is my question.
> 
> The terminal emulator is running in wayland.  Right ?
> 
> So is it fair to compare that to a distro or DE not using wayland ?
> 
> Obviously, I have no clue what I am talking about.
> 
> Also, if dnf speed is important to you, should you not reduce unnecessary
> processes or do it in the tty ?

I seriously doubt that the effect of the terminal emulator on dnf speed
is even measurable. The whole thing is dominated by network I/O and
local processing of package files.

poc
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 11:06 -0600, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 4:33 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > By far the easiest solution is to use one of the commercial cloud
> > providers such as Dropbox or Google Drive. I'd certainly consider those
> > before rolling my own solution, as long as they meet your requirements.
> >
> >
> Since I just finished going through this, I'll add my 2 cents. Google Drive
> didn't work for me, even though I've already got a Google account. This is
> because there is no syncing client for Linux, and that's what most of my
> machines are.

Yes, it's ironic that Google don't provide a proper (non-browser)
syncing tool for Linux, given that their backend runs on Linux.
However, there is a commercial syncing client called Insync (
https://www.insynchq.com/), which I've used for several years. It's far
from perfect but it works for me. A personal use perpetual license is
not expensive.

poc
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Re: Anaconda error, no explanation

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 1:18 PM, stan via users wrote:

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 07:25:55 -0700
Geoffrey Leach  wrote:


I'm installing Fedora 30 on a system that has an existing linux
installation. It is my intention to replace the existing linux.

I'm using custom partitioning.

When exiting the custom partitioning page (click Done) it says that
there's an error, but does not elaborate. A second click on done gives
me a summary page with three errors (ext4 partitions) and no
explanation.

On the installation summary page, "begin installation" is not enabled.

FWIW, the boot loader is UEFI


The EFI partition *has* to be vfat, so that might be your issue.  Hard
to say without looking over your shoulder.  When I installed an EFI
system I had to create three extra partitions on the gpt disk before
the install worked right.  That was a while ago, and the details are
vague to me now, but there was a partition for efi, a partition for
keeping the disk layout, and a backup mbr partition.  A search for EFI
and gpt should get you the information.  Or maybe someone else has it
off the top of their head.


And you have to assign it to "/boot/efi".
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Re: Anaconda error, no explanation

[Geoffrey Leach]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:07:12 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 4/18/20 7:25 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > When exiting the custom partitioning page (click Done) it says that
> > there's an error, but does not elaborate. A second click on done
> > gives me a summary page with three errors (ext4 partitions) and no
> > explanation.  
> 
> Isn't there a little bar at the bottom that you can click on for
> details? 

There is. Alas, its boilerplate howto, not of much use.
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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 13:22, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-04-19 02:10, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

To get FC32 to upgrade on on eof my VM's, I have to add

   --disablerepo=brave*

to the following:


#dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh --disablerepo=brave*
...
# dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=32 --allowerasing --best 
--disablerepo=brave*


Aside from the fact that F32 issues/comments should be going to the test list, 
"brave" isn't a fedora
repo/project.  So, just like rpmfusion, it need not be mentioned here.



Hi Ed,

Kinda sorta yes and kinda sorta no.

This is for folks "using" Fedora, so non OS things do
get discussed.  And the testing folks did announce
FC32 here.

I will also post over on the testing group.  Probably
get told the same thing.

:'(

-T
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dnf question

[David]

There is a poster on Reddit criticizing dnf as being too slow.

I do not use Reddit.

But here is my question.

The terminal emulator is running in wayland.  Right ?

So is it fair to compare that to a distro or DE not using wayland ?

Obviously, I have no clue what I am talking about.

Also, if dnf speed is important to you, should you not reduce unnecessary
processes or do it in the tty ?

D.L.
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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-04-19 02:10, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> To get FC32 to upgrade on on eof my VM's, I have to add
>
>   --disablerepo=brave*
>
> to the following:
>
>
> #dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh --disablerepo=brave*
> ...
> # dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=32 --allowerasing --best 
> --disablerepo=brave*

Aside from the fact that F32 issues/comments should be going to the test list, 
"brave" isn't a fedora
repo/project.  So, just like rpmfusion, it need not be mentioned here.

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Re: Anaconda error, no explanation

[stan via users]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 07:25:55 -0700
Geoffrey Leach  wrote:

> I'm installing Fedora 30 on a system that has an existing linux
> installation. It is my intention to replace the existing linux.
> 
> I'm using custom partitioning.
> 
> When exiting the custom partitioning page (click Done) it says that
> there's an error, but does not elaborate. A second click on done gives
> me a summary page with three errors (ext4 partitions) and no
> explanation.
> 
> On the installation summary page, "begin installation" is not enabled.
> 
> FWIW, the boot loader is UEFI

The EFI partition *has* to be vfat, so that might be your issue.  Hard
to say without looking over your shoulder.  When I installed an EFI
system I had to create three extra partitions on the gpt disk before
the install worked right.  That was a while ago, and the details are
vague to me now, but there was a partition for efi, a partition for
keeping the disk layout, and a backup mbr partition.  A search for EFI
and gpt should get you the information.  Or maybe someone else has it
off the top of their head.
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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 12:13, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Hi,

I don't think that FC32 is released yet.

Ranjan



I am running it right now.  It is the pre-release.

# cat /etc/redhat-release
Fedora release 32 (Thirty Two)

I have no issue with running the pre because it is
usually the actually release anyway and when the
actual hits, dnf will update to it, if there is
anything to update.

And this is in my fly-before-you-buy test Virtual
machine of Fedora.  I install test things there first.
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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 11:10, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

To get FC32 to upgrade on on eof my VM's, I have to add

   --disablerepo=brave*

to the following:


#dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh --disablerepo=brave*
...
# dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=32 --allowerasing 
--best --disablerepo=brave*


-T


Opened:

GPG check FAILED on RPM installation with Fedora 32
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/9315
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Re: tip: upgrade to 32

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi,

I don't think that FC32 is released yet.

Ranjan

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:10:27 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> To get FC32 to upgrade on on eof my VM's, I have to add
>
>--disablerepo=brave*
>
> to the following:
>
>
> #dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh --disablerepo=brave*
> ...
> # dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=32 --allowerasing
> --best --disablerepo=brave*
>
> -T
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Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

> That's because you already added the selinux changes to fix that.

I didn't though. It works automatically, the only difference between now
and then is that I am using the command systemctl hibernate to trigger
hibernation. Before, I had set "On Power Button Press: Hibernate" from
Gnome Power Options.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 10:12 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 4/18/20 6:20 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> >> On 4/13/20 9:51 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> >>
> >> After a lot of experimentation, I did manage to get swap file
> >> hibernation to work.
> >> The dracut module for resuming is, for some reason, not enabled by
> >> default.  (At least on the minimal install that I tried.  Maybe because
> >> I didn't create a swap partition at install time?)  These are the steps
> >> I had to do:
> >> Run "filefrag-v /swapfile" to get the offset.
> >> Edit the grub environment to add the resume and resume_offset options to
> >> the command line.
> >> Regenerate the initramfs using "dracut -f -a resume" to get the resume
> >> script included.
> >> Run "systemctl hibernate".
> >
> > Thanks so much for all your help. i got hibernation working with the
> instructions you gave, the key instruction being adding the resume module
> to dracut.
> >
> >> Set selinux to permissive.
> > I weirdly did not have to do this, worked just fine by typing systemctl
> hibernate.
>
> That's because you already added the selinux changes to fix that.
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tip: upgrade to 32

[ToddAndMargo via users]

Hi All,

To get FC32 to upgrade on on eof my VM's, I have to add

  --disablerepo=brave*

to the following:


#dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh --disablerepo=brave*
...
# dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=32 --allowerasing 
--best --disablerepo=brave*


-T
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Re: OT: simplest way to display on-screen blinking colored indicator

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 4/18/20 5:44 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:51:22 -0700 Paul Allen Newell  
wrote:


On 4/17/20 5:53 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

So, I was able to hack out a python script [...]

Ranjan:

Thank you for the script .. with modifications I have it running under
python3

Paul

Thanks, Paul, and no problem. This is a place for sharing. I am just curious: 
what modifications did you need? Mine works with python3 (on F31).

Ranjan
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Ranjan:

I misphrased my statement about those modifications. It wasn't to get it 
running on python3 per se. It was to give it more flexibility.


I added the following snippet inside the loop so I can run the script 
(or any script using pygame) in a non-interactive fashion so the "X" for 
"Close Window" in the menubar of the screen works (needed to make 
"(width, height) = (80, 80)" to see that "X"):


[...]
while running:
    if (event.type == pygame.QUIT):
    running = False
[...]

and added this at the end for when we exit the loop:

[...]
pygame.quit()
sys.exit (0)
[...]

I also added an "import os" and the following code before 
"pygame.init()" to allow me to position the screen


[...]
(xpos, ypos) = (100, 100)
os.environ['SDL_VIDEO_WINDOW_POS'] = "%d,%d" % (xpos, ypos)
pygame.init()
[...]

Paul


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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 3:53 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-04-18 18:46, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:

2) After hibernating successfully a couple of times, I can SELinux back to 
enforcing and it doesn't cause any problems. I have no clue why ?


Well, since selinux operates on file/directory contexts and no files or directories are 
involved as mentioned bySamuel: "The header contains pointers to the rest of the 
data. It doesn't have to know anything about the filesystem." And since selinux is 
implemented in
the kernel and that isn't "running" yet. It stands to reason that you won't 
have problems.


It's the hibernating process that was blocked by selinux, not the 
resume.  I think that in the initial part of this thread, he ran the 
commands to create the selinux modules to fix the problem.

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Re: Anaconda error, no explanation

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 7:25 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:

When exiting the custom partitioning page (click Done) it says that
there's an error, but does not elaborate. A second click on done gives
me a summary page with three errors (ext4 partitions) and no
explanation.


Isn't there a little bar at the bottom that you can click on for details?
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Greg Woods]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 4:33 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

>
>
> By far the easiest solution is to use one of the commercial cloud
> providers such as Dropbox or Google Drive. I'd certainly consider those
> before rolling my own solution, as long as they meet your requirements.
>
>
Since I just finished going through this, I'll add my 2 cents. Google Drive
didn't work for me, even though I've already got a Google account. This is
because there is no syncing client for Linux, and that's what most of my
machines are. I understand that there is a new 3rd party "Gdrive" client; I
will have to look into that when I get time. Dropbox has recently reduced
the number of allowed devices to 2 without a paid account, which caused me
to start looking at other services. Never looked at NextCloud. My personal
choice was SpiderOak, because they store your data encrypted so that even
their own employees can't see it. So I figured if I was going to have to
have a paid account anyway, I'd use that. The only drawback to SpiderOak is
that the Android client is read-only. This is intentional due to the lack
of security on Android devices, but this could make it a non-starter for
some (such as my wife, who does absolutely everything on her phone; she has
a Linux laptop but only uses it for things where she needs more screen real
estate).  I also use Amazon S3 as an archive, because it is very cheap if
you use the tier where writing is easy but restoring is slower and costs.
But it's good for storing stuff I don't want to lose (such as encrypted
copies of my GnuCash data file, all our photos and videos).

I'm not claiming I know best about all this, just some data points.

--Greg
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Re: Old GCC versions

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 6:12 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:16 AM Hiisi > wrote:



I need it to compile boost 1.41. Some old project depends on it.
Thank you!

I deleted the original email, so I'm replying to this one.
Can't you get an already compiled boost 1.41 from an old Fedora or 
CentOS version and use that?

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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 7:13 AM, George N. White III wrote:

NextCloud uses WebDAV.   My former work blocked WebDAV at the firewall:


It uses that for syncing, but you can access the web interface with 
plain http.



https://www.networkworld.com/article/2202909/-webdav-is-bad---says-security-researcher.html


Did you read that article?  There's nothing inherently bad with the 
webdav protocol.  The article is all about Microsoft vulnerabilities, 
DLL exploits, etc.

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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 2:40 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

And even better:
    $ dnf whatprovides nextcloud
    Last metadata expiration check: 8 days, 5:37:51 ago on Thu 09 
Apr 2020 08:59:40 PM PDT.

    nextcloud-10.0.4-8.fc31.noarch : Private file sync and share server
    Repo    : fedora
    Matched from:
    Provide    : nextcloud = 10.0.4-8.fc31


I wonder if the new package doesn't have that provide.  There's a 
version 18 in the repo.

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Re: netfsname: command not found

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 6:51 AM, Hiisi wrote:

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 3:33 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:


Is that the name of the binary that you are trying to run?

No. The software is called WitNop. The error occurs when I run the
compiled binary file:
wnprun/bin/witnotp: line 200: netfsname: command not found
sorry, cant execute client sw_client.current


Are you sure that's a binary?  That looks more like a script of some 
sort.  What does "file wnprun/bin/witnotp" say?

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Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 6:20 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:

On 4/13/20 9:51 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:

After a lot of experimentation, I did manage to get swap file
hibernation to work.
The dracut module for resuming is, for some reason, not enabled by
default.  (At least on the minimal install that I tried.  Maybe because
I didn't create a swap partition at install time?)  These are the steps
I had to do:
Run "filefrag-v /swapfile" to get the offset.
Edit the grub environment to add the resume and resume_offset options to
the command line.
Regenerate the initramfs using "dracut -f -a resume" to get the resume
script included.
Run "systemctl hibernate".


Thanks so much for all your help. i got hibernation working with the 
instructions you gave, the key instruction being adding the resume module to 
dracut.


Set selinux to permissive.

I weirdly did not have to do this, worked just fine by typing systemctl 
hibernate.


That's because you already added the selinux changes to fix that.
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Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 1:46 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:

Also could you tell me where did you get the list of dracut modules from ?


dracut --list-modules
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Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 2:33 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:

On 4/13/20 9:51 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:

After a lot of experimentation, I did manage to get swap file
hibernation to work.
The dracut module for resuming is, for some reason, not enabled by
default.  (At least on the minimal install that I tried.  Maybe because
I didn't create a swap partition at install time?)  These are the steps
I had to do:
Run "filefrag-v /swapfile" to get the offset.
Edit the grub environment to add the resume and resume_offset options to
the command line.
Regenerate the initramfs using "dracut -f -a resume" to get the resume
script included.
Set selinux to permissive.
Run "systemctl hibernate".


I can confirm that this is working, but I don't understand if the resume module 
is not included then how can Fedora resume from a swap partition and not a swap 
file?


That's a good question that I don't have an answer to.


Also the SELinux exceptions mentioned in this topic - will they work in this 
case ?


Yes, it's the same case.  It's the hibernating that is blocked by 
selinux, not the resuming.

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Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/18/20 1:51 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:57 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 2:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 13:21 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

   From the header of that man page, it's an "introduction to boot time
parameters", not an exhaustive summary.  As far as I can tell, it is
valid to use a swap file for hibernation.  That parameter is in the
kernel.  You just need to get the right offset to the file.

I've learned something new which might actually be useful at some point.


If that's the case then the man page for systemd-hibernate-resume is
wrong.


I don't see anything in that man page about swap files.


Exactly. It only talks about devices, not about offsets.


The resume script doesn't have anything to do with the offset.  It just 
writes the device number, the kernel gets the offset from the boot 
command line.

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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

> e.g. A swap file on an encrypted partition.

I am already using it in an encrypted partition. It does not give any
problems.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:29 PM Tim via users 
wrote:

> Tim:
> >> To be able to do that, it has to be able to read within a
> >> filesystem by itself.  There's probably only a small set of
> >> filesystems it can handle.
>
> Samuel Sieb:
> > No, you point the kernel at the offset of the header within the
> > partition.  The header contains pointers to the rest of the data.
> > It doesn't have to know anything about the filesystem.
>
> Surely that'd be dependent on the entireity of the swap file being
> arranged on the drive in a predictable manner.  What if a swap file was
> created on a system that didn't arrange all the bits so predictably?
>
> e.g. A swap file on an encrypted partition.
>
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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2020-04-19 at 00:28 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> Tim:
> > > To be able to do that, it has to be able to read within a
> > > filesystem by itself.  There's probably only a small set of
> > > filesystems it can handle.
> 
> Samuel Sieb:
> > No, you point the kernel at the offset of the header within the 
> > partition.  The header contains pointers to the rest of the data. 
> > It doesn't have to know anything about the filesystem.
> 
> Surely that'd be dependent on the entireity of the swap file being
> arranged on the drive in a predictable manner.  What if a swap file was
> created on a system that didn't arrange all the bits so predictably?
> 
> e.g. A swap file on an encrypted partition.

Encryption of course is a possible impediment (I've no idea if this is
handled as it's not of particular interest to me). However with that
caveat, a header including direct pointers to each block of data in
sequence would seem to be workable in theory without requiring
knowledge of the filesystem's layout strategy, recalling that this data
is being created by something that knows how it's going to be used. (I
say that without having looked at the actual format.)

poc
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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

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Tim:
>> To be able to do that, it has to be able to read within a
>> filesystem by itself.  There's probably only a small set of
>> filesystems it can handle.

Samuel Sieb:
> No, you point the kernel at the offset of the header within the 
> partition.  The header contains pointers to the rest of the data. 
> It doesn't have to know anything about the filesystem.

Surely that'd be dependent on the entireity of the swap file being
arranged on the drive in a predictable manner.  What if a swap file was
created on a system that didn't arrange all the bits so predictably?

e.g. A swap file on an encrypted partition.
 
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Re: Old GCC versions

[George N. White III]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 02:01, Hiisi  wrote:

> Hello, list!
> Back in the day, Fedora had compat-gcc in repos. I can't find it any
> longer. How do I install older versions of GCCC now? Say, I need GCC
> 4.6. What's the best way of getting it on Fedora 31?
>

Are you building from source or do you just need old libraries?I just
built
some apps for which library source code is not available (the provided
binary libraries needed libgfortran.so.3)).   CentOS 8 has a package with
libgfortran.so.3, but many people use Ubuntu's version, and I have
used the Ubuntu version on Fedora 31, CentOS 8, and debian 10. There
was a period when the Linux Standards Base (LSB) goal of cross-distro
binary compatibility worked pretty well.

Current compilers should compile old sources, but may need some
work to find the right flags.  Legacy fortran code often uses tricks
that hamper compiler attempts to prevent out-of-bounds memory
access.The R project, which uses many libraries based on
legacy Fortran codes, seems to have found a way around this.

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Anaconda error, no explanation

[Geoffrey Leach]

I'm installing Fedora 30 on a system that has an existing linux
installation. It is my intention to replace the existing linux.

I'm using custom partitioning.

When exiting the custom partitioning page (click Done) it says that
there's an error, but does not elaborate. A second click on done gives
me a summary page with three errors (ext4 partitions) and no
explanation.

On the installation summary page, "begin installation" is not enabled.

FWIW, the boot loader is UEFI

Thoughts? Advice?
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[George N. White III]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 07:33, Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 16:28 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
> > one location and five Windows workstations, each
> > at a different location.
> >
> > The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
> > the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.
> >
> > Question, what is the best to go about this?
> > vsftp seems to over complicate things.
> >
> > Your advice?
>
> By far the easiest solution is to use one of the commercial cloud
> providers such as Dropbox or Google Drive. I'd certainly consider those
> before rolling my own solution, as long as they meet your requirements.
>

There are also secure file sharing services used by financial companies,
layers, etc.   The ones I've encountered worked with a web browser.

File sharing means users will download files as opposed to just viewing
remote content so always seeing the current version on the server.

NextCloud uses WebDAV.   My former work blocked WebDAV at the firewall:

https://www.networkworld.com/article/2202909/-webdav-is-bad---says-security-researcher.html

Windows 10 Pro has an NFSv3 client that works well on my LAN inside Windows
Explorer.
You could use an ssh tunnel: https://access.redhat.com/solutions/788423 (putty
has an option
"don't start a shell or command" when creating tunnels).

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Re: netfsname: command not found

[Hiisi]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 3:33 AM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
>
>
> Is that the name of the binary that you are trying to run?
No. The software is called WitNop. The error occurs when I run the
compiled binary file:
wnprun/bin/witnotp: line 200: netfsname: command not found
sorry, cant execute client sw_client.current

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Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

> On 4/13/20 9:51 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> 
> After a lot of experimentation, I did manage to get swap file 
> hibernation to work.
> The dracut module for resuming is, for some reason, not enabled by 
> default.  (At least on the minimal install that I tried.  Maybe because 
> I didn't create a swap partition at install time?)  These are the steps 
> I had to do:
> Run "filefrag-v /swapfile" to get the offset.
> Edit the grub environment to add the resume and resume_offset options to 
> the command line.
> Regenerate the initramfs using "dracut -f -a resume" to get the resume 
> script included.
> Run "systemctl hibernate".

Thanks so much for all your help. i got hibernation working with the 
instructions you gave, the key instruction being adding the resume module to 
dracut.

> Set selinux to permissive.
I weirdly did not have to do this, worked just fine by typing systemctl 
hibernate.

Thanks again for all you help. 

I think I will write a HOW-TO in ask-fedora regarding this.
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Re: Old GCC versions

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:16 AM Hiisi  wrote:

>
> I need it to compile boost 1.41. Some old project depends on it.
> Thank you!
>

You could also check CentOS versions...

CentOS 7 has 4.8.5 if that's close enough or CentOS 6 has 4.4.7.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: postfix and selinux [SOLVED, at least for now]

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:51:57 -0700 Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 4/12/20 6:03 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:44:44 -0700 Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/12/20 11:56 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> >>> I have selinux enforcing and postfix for mail delivery. It turns out that 
> >>> postfix does not "work" if selinux is enabled (setenforce 0 selinux sets 
> >>> it to work again).
> >>
> >> You need to describe how you have it configured and what isn't working.
> >> I've been using postfix for many years and never had any selinux issues.
> >
> > I spoke too soon: it does not send e-mail from my office machine. From my 
> > home machine, it appears to send e-mail. I don't know what to send but here 
> > are the differences in the two cases for the office.machine and 
> > home.machine, followed by selinux in permissive mode and then all mail 
> > (including accumulated mail getting delivered). Any suggestions. I would 
> > like to get to the bottom of this. I wonder if in the home machine, it 
> > still works because the postfix was running when selinux was enabled, 
> > whereas in the office machine I restarted postfix and enabling selinux. 
> > This is just an uniformed musing.
>
> I don't understand what all you were showing in the parts after this,
> although I did see a bit of a permission denied message.  I would
> suggest running "fixfiles onboot" and then rebooting the system.  See if
> that solves your problem.

I wanted to report that I was able to get into my office and reboot the 
machine. The process of relabeling the system took around 45 minutes or so, but 
the issue has gone away (at least for now). I don't know if the problem was 
caused by something during the last (F30->F31) upgrade but that is when I 
noticed that selinux was blocking postfix. Hopefully, it will still work well 
from now on.

Thanks, Samuel!

Ranjan
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Re: OT: simplest way to display on-screen blinking colored indicator

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:51:22 -0700 Paul Allen Newell  
wrote:

> On 4/17/20 5:53 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > So, I was able to hack out a python script [...]
>
> Ranjan:
>
> Thank you for the script .. with modifications I have it running under
> python3
>
> Paul

Thanks, Paul, and no problem. This is a place for sharing. I am just curious: 
what modifications did you need? Mine works with python3 (on F31).

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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Alexander Dalloz]

Am 18.04.2020 um 14:12 schrieb bruce:

This whole thread is why this email list is a great example of how this
thing called the net can actually be a great resource for weird tech stuff,
and for helping others!


Yes, this is a mailing list and covered by guidelines like the good old 
etiquette conventions.


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines?rd=Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines?rd=Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#Proper_posting_style

So why are you always top-posting? Why don't you trim your quotation?
As by the nature of a mailing list the postings can be threaded in 
almost any mail client and there is no good reason the keep the whole 
previous conversation in a current reply.


Just have a look at the messy thread of yours

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/3WTP64VTF4636PW6C3MENYTY2Z5P5WBF/

And look at how Jonathan Billings replied to one of your posts in that 
thread. Quoation to the point, easy to follow to which part of yours he 
is giving an answer.


Regards
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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[bruce]

This whole thread is why this email list is a great example of how this
thing called the net can actually be a great resource for weird tech stuff,
and for helping others!

Does the list sometimes veer off to snarky stuff.. very rarely.

OJ to all!



On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:08 AM Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 11:04 +, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:03 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, that's exactly my point. However it does mean that the filesystem
> > > has to be one that the initial system understands.
> > >
> > > poc
> >
> > Sorry but let me confuse you further.
> >
> > If the initial ramdisk does not understand the filesystem, then how is
> it even locating my swapfile ?
>
> As Samuel has pointed out, the resume info points directly at the swap
> file header on the device (including an offset from the device origin),
> and the file header itself points directly at the data blocks.
>
> poc
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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 11:04 +, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> > On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:03 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, that's exactly my point. However it does mean that the filesystem
> > has to be one that the initial system understands.
> > 
> > poc
> 
> Sorry but let me confuse you further.
> 
> If the initial ramdisk does not understand the filesystem, then how is it 
> even locating my swapfile ?

As Samuel has pointed out, the resume info points directly at the swap
file header on the device (including an offset from the device origin),
and the file header itself points directly at the data blocks.

poc
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Re: Panel editing

[Steven Usdansky via users]

Some items on the panel don't appear to offer the "remove from panel" option 
unless you right-click on (or perhaps it's one pixel to the left ) of the very 
left edge the item. 
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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

> On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:03 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's exactly my point. However it does mean that the filesystem
> has to be one that the initial system understands.
> 
> poc

Sorry but let me confuse you further.

If the initial ramdisk does not understand the filesystem, then how is it even 
locating my swapfile ?

Is it just using the offset to go the memory location directly ?
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Panel editing

[Frank Elsner]

Hello,

how to remove an item from panel which doesn't offer "remove from panel"
on right click? The desktop is MATE.


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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

> On 2020-04-18 18:46, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> 
> Well, since selinux operates on file/directory contexts and no files or 
> directories are
> involved as mentioned bySamuel: "The header contains pointers to the rest of 
> the
> data. It doesn't have to know anything about the filesystem." And since 
> selinux
> is implemented in
> the kernel and that isn't "running" yet. It stands to reason that you
> won't have problems.
> 
> At least that is my stab at explaining it.  :-)

Thats interesting but then why did I get the problem in the first place then ? 
My other topic is labelled SELinux is blocking Hibernate, and SELinux was 
legitimately interfering with the hibernate process, specifically blocking 
systemd-sleep to read the hibernate file.

The weird thing is why did it stop me once and then didn't stop me once I set 
it back from permissive to enforcing ? Did SELinux "learn" somehow that it is 
ok to allow access to the swap file ? 

This is all very confusing.
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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-04-18 18:46, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> 2) After hibernating successfully a couple of times, I can SELinux back to 
> enforcing and it doesn't cause any problems. I have no clue why ?

Well, since selinux operates on file/directory contexts and no files or 
directories are involved as mentioned bySamuel: "The header contains pointers 
to the rest of the data. It doesn't have to know anything about the 
filesystem." And since selinux is implemented in
the kernel and that isn't "running" yet. It stands to reason that you won't 
have problems.

At least that is my stab at explaining it.  :-)

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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

> On 4/17/20 11:20 PM, Tim via users wrote:
> 
> No, you point the kernel at the offset of the header within the 
> partition.  The header contains pointers to the rest of the data.  It 
> doesn't have to know anything about the filesystem.

You know there are 2 things that struck me as odd:

1) Why does Hibernate with swap partition work out of the box and why does 
using a file need the resume module in dracut ?

2) After hibernating successfully a couple of times, I can SELinux back to 
enforcing and it doesn't cause any problems. I have no clue why ?

These are ofcourse observations from VirtualBox.
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Re: device names

[Ian Chapman]

On 13/04/2020 07:47, Roger Heflin wrote:


The only negative part I have seen is that on one of my desktop
systems at home removing/adding a pci card changes the PCI-busid of
the built-in network card (guessing badly designed/coded bios).


And that's exactly why the whole naming this is a PITA and doesn't solve 
much anyway. It really is not that easier now playing guess the NIC than 
it was when everything was eth*. Besides the supposed slot numbering 
system often does match reality for the same reasons you say... the BIOS 
being stupid.


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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 16:28 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
> one location and five Windows workstations, each
> at a different location.
> 
> The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
> the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.
> 
> Question, what is the best to go about this?
> vsftp seems to over complicate things.
> 
> Your advice?

By far the easiest solution is to use one of the commercial cloud
providers such as Dropbox or Google Drive. I'd certainly consider those
before rolling my own solution, as long as they meet your requirements.

poc
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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2020-04-18 at 00:44 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 4/17/20 11:20 PM, Tim via users wrote:
> > On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:03 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > During resume, the filesystem *can't* be mounted.  All the
> > > filesystem state is in the hibernation image which you are trying to
> > > load. It's one of those fun chicken and egg challenges.  That's why
> > > there has to be enough info in the swap file to locate the data
> > > without relying on anything else.
> > 
> > To be able to do that, it has to be able to read within a filesystem by
> > itself.  There's probably only a small set of filesystems it can
> > handle.
> 
> No, you point the kernel at the offset of the header within the 
> partition.  The header contains pointers to the rest of the data.  It 
> doesn't have to know anything about the filesystem.

OK. I retract my previous answer.

poc
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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:03 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 4/17/20 2:42 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 14:25 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > On 4/17/20 2:11 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:
> > > > For the vg/offset to work the file must be contiguous (only 1
> > > > section/extent in the file).   I don't see that mentioned in
> > > > archlinux.
> > > 
> > > I tried to find out the on-disk format for swap files, but wasn't able
> > > to.  But from the doc at
> > > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/power/swsusp-and-swap-files.html
> > 
> > That does give some interesting insights. In particular, it explains
> > why the file has to be treated specially (because during resume, the
> > filesystem may not be mounted, which is what I was trying to get at
> > earlier). This clears up some confusion for me at least.
> 
> During resume, the filesystem *can't* be mounted.  All the filesystem 
> state is in the hibernation image which you are trying to load.  It's 
> one of those fun chicken and egg challenges.  That's why there has to be 
> enough info in the swap file to locate the data without relying on 
> anything else.

Yes, that's exactly my point. However it does mean that the filesystem
has to be one that the initial system understands.

poc
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-04-18 00:50, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:39 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.

Question, what is the best to go about this?


NextCloud?


This was a serious suggestion, but maybe it needs more description. It's 
not hard to setup, one person can set a certain folder on their computer 
to automatically sync with the server or else you can upload to it.  You 
either create another user for the workstations or you can create a link 
that they can use to access the files.


Hm.  Sounds interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextcloud

   Nextcloud is a suite of client-server software for
   creating and using file hosting services. Nextcloud
   is free and open-source, which means that anyone is
   allowed to install and operate it on their own private
   server devices.

   Nextcloud application functionally is similar to
   Dropbox, Office 365 or Google Drive, but can be used
   on home-local computers or for off-premises file
   storage hosting.

And it say is had "end-to-end encryption".

And even better:
   $ dnf whatprovides nextcloud
   Last metadata expiration check: 8 days, 5:37:51 ago on Thu 09 
Apr 2020 08:59:40 PM PDT.

   nextcloud-10.0.4-8.fc31.noarch : Private file sync and share server
   Repo: fedora
   Matched from:
   Provide: nextcloud = 10.0.4-8.fc31

Oh look e here:
   Clients: Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS

And I can set the firewall to only allow those five clients to use it.

I like it!  Thank you!

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Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

> On 4/13/20 9:51 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> 
> After a lot of experimentation, I did manage to get swap file 
> hibernation to work.
> The dracut module for resuming is, for some reason, not enabled by 
> default.  (At least on the minimal install that I tried.  Maybe because 
> I didn't create a swap partition at install time?)  These are the steps 
> I had to do:
> Run "filefrag-v /swapfile" to get the offset.
> Edit the grub environment to add the resume and resume_offset options to 
> the command line.
> Regenerate the initramfs using "dracut -f -a resume" to get the resume 
> script included.
> Set selinux to permissive.
> Run "systemctl hibernate".

I can confirm that this is working, but I don't understand if the resume module 
is not included then how can Fedora resume from a swap partition and not a swap 
file?

Also the SELinux exceptions mentioned in this topic - will they work in this 
case ?
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Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:57 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 4/17/20 2:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 13:21 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > >   From the header of that man page, it's an "introduction to boot time
> > > parameters", not an exhaustive summary.  As far as I can tell, it is
> > > valid to use a swap file for hibernation.  That parameter is in the
> > > kernel.  You just need to get the right offset to the file.
> > > 
> > > I've learned something new which might actually be useful at some point.
> > 
> > If that's the case then the man page for systemd-hibernate-resume is
> > wrong.
> 
> I don't see anything in that man page about swap files.

Exactly. It only talks about devices, not about offsets.

poc
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Re: SELinux is blocking hibernate

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

> On 4/13/20 9:51 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> 
> After a lot of experimentation, I did manage to get swap file 
> hibernation to work.
> The dracut module for resuming is, for some reason, not enabled by 
> default.  (At least on the minimal install that I tried.  Maybe because 
> I didn't create a swap partition at install time?)  These are the steps 
> I had to do:
> Run "filefrag-v /swapfile" to get the offset.
> Edit the grub environment to add the resume and resume_offset options to 
> the command line.
> Regenerate the initramfs using "dracut -f -a resume" to get the resume 
> script included.
> Set selinux to permissive.
> Run "systemctl hibernate".

Wait hibernation with a swap file worked for you ? Wow, thats great.

I knew there might be something wrong with the dracut configuration since 
Manjaro is able to resume from a swap file in an encrypted LVM. But it uses 
initrd as its initial ramdisk, which it configures with mkinitcpio.conf. While 
Fedora uses dracut.

I have one question though:
If the resume script is disabled in dracut then how is Fedora able to resume 
from a swap partition ? I mean isn't that the same as resuming from a swap file 
?

It can resume from a swap partition even if its encrypted but not from a swap 
file ? Is the resume script specific to swap files ?

Also could you tell me where did you get the list of dracut modules from ? 
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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/17/20 4:39 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/17/20 4:28 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.

Question, what is the best to go about this?


NextCloud?


This was a serious suggestion, but maybe it needs more description. 
It's not hard to setup, one person can set a certain folder on their 
computer to automatically sync with the server or else you can upload to 
it.  You either create another user for the workstations or you can 
create a link that they can use to access the files.

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Re: how to view files over the Internet?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/17/20 11:07 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-04-17 22:57, Tim via users wrote:

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 16:28 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

I have a scenario where I have a Fedora server at
one location and five Windows workstations, each
at a different location.

The customer wants to give the five remote workstations
the ability to view (not edit) certain documents.


You haven't said what kind of docs.  Do they need to be a specific
filetype, or do they just need to be able to read some instructions?
If it's the latter, you could just use a webserver.


PDF and ODT.

Web server would work, if I could figure otu
how to do a https certificate.  But that would
probably be just as worky as vsftp


certbot is easy and you can create a cron job to auto renew it.
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Re: Unable to hibernate Fedora 31 using swap file

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/17/20 11:20 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:03 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

During resume, the filesystem *can't* be mounted.  All the
filesystem state is in the hibernation image which you are trying to
load. It's one of those fun chicken and egg challenges.  That's why
there has to be enough info in the swap file to locate the data
without relying on anything else.


To be able to do that, it has to be able to read within a filesystem by
itself.  There's probably only a small set of filesystems it can
handle.


No, you point the kernel at the offset of the header within the 
partition.  The header contains pointers to the rest of the data.  It 
doesn't have to know anything about the filesystem.

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Re: netfsname: command not found

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/17/20 5:54 PM, Hiisi wrote:

Hello, list.
After compiling some ancient Fortran project I'm unable to run the
resulting binary. It halts with the following message:
netfsname: command not found


Is that the name of the binary that you are trying to run?
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