Re: Where are the microcode updates for Crosstalk in F32 ?
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:27:44 -0300 "George N. White III" wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 18:59, Sreyan Chakravarty > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:06 AM George N. White III > > wrote: > > > >> In general, the earlier the mitigations are applied, the harder it > >> is to exploit the bugs, and > >> some mitigations can only be applied at the BIOS level, so you > >> need to check your BIOS > >> vendor's updates and forums. > >> > >> > > Sorry for the late reply. > > > > Does anyone here use an HP laptop ? > > > > Specifically this model: > > https://support.hp.com/in-en/document/c04919819#AbT1 > > > > This mentions FreeDOS under "Software" at the bottom of the page. > > > > I have a very weird problem it seems. In my BIOS startup screen > > there seems to be no option like "Update BIOS". > > > > > The particular model I am using HP only publishes exe files that > > can be used from within Windows via which the BIOS update can > > happen within the OS. > > > > They do not care about Linux. Hence my only option was to do the > > BIOS update from outside the OS. Now I can't find the option to > > update the BIOS from a USB. > > > > > I have contacted HP via their Community forum but I doubt that I > > will get a response. > > > > In the meantime if anyone knows anything about this problem let me > > know, or what the best place would be to ask about this issue. > > > > https://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c00042629 suggests that you can > create a BIOS update USB drive > from a BIOS update .exe file using a different PC running Windows. > Some .exe files run in freeDOS and generate a .bin file. Some HP > laptops have "BIOS update from file" in the System Diagnostics (maybe > press F2 while booting) with the .bin file on a FAT format USB key. > > https://askubuntu.com/questions/539120/how-to-perform-a-hp-bios-upgrade-with-only-ubuntu > has a number of examples for differnet HP models. > Here is another link mentioning FreeDOS for updating bios: https://pingtool.org/bootable-dos-iso-bios-upgrade/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the plan for Thunderbird 78?
Tim: >> Didn't you read the page on link you quoted? >> >> "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct download from >> thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 68 or >> earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier >> versions." SternData: > Yes, I read it. Will Thunderbird continue to be part of the Fedora > repos? You're asking the wrong people that question. But I interpret their statement as *that* release cannot be installed as an update (it can't import prior settings/data), but that in the future improved version will have the ability to be installed as an update (they'll build in an import feature), so hold off until you see that announcement. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.13.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 23 15:46:38 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Create bootable disk with fedora - but not using live-CD
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 08:31:18PM -0300, George N. White III wrote: >On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 16:24, Fred Smith ><[1]fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:48:43PM +0100, Barry Scott wrote: > > I want to create a bootable USB stick that runs fedora. > > > > I do not want to create a Live-CD USB stick because live-CD > > fails to boot on my main PC. And no one seems to know how to > > fix this. By using a read-write USB stick I can add in debug > > code to the boot process and try to findout what is hanging > > the boot process. > > > > What my google-fu is failed to do is figure out how to find > > instruction on how to do this with getting live-CD instructions. > > > > I'm guessing that I should be able to use anaconda or dnf to get > > the heavy lifting done. > > > > > Does anyone know what the steps I need to follow are? > > > > Barry > FWIW, some years back I did (more than once) install Fedora onto > a USB stick using an normal install procedure. all I had to do was > be sure to specify the right device for the USB stick so I didn't > wipe out the installed system on the computer. > This was probably back around Fedoraaa 11-13 or thereabouts, and > I h aven't kept up with Fedora for the last few years, but there is > no reason THAT I KNOW OF why it wouldn't still work. > >By "normal install procedure" I assume you mean you were able to >boot some installation media. Since the OP can't boot the live media, >the "normal install procedure" isn't available. >It may be possible to create a new ISO image with extra grub options >like [2]https://www.askapache.com/linux/linux-debugging/ I was doing it before the live system options were common, so it was just boot up an install disk and let the installer run, being sure to use the right destination device. I don't know why a live usb would fail to install on a USB stick, as long as it isn't the same one you've already booted. Also, last I noticed, there were installation media other than the live ones. Fred -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - "For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen." - Jude 1:24,25 (niv) - ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Create bootable disk with fedora - but not using live-CD
On 2020-07-20 09:48, Barry Scott wrote: I do not want to create a Live-CD USB stick because live-CD fails to boot on my main PC. Go into BIOS and set boot legacy/EUFI to "Both". In Bios set the top boot choice to your flash drive ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Create bootable disk with fedora - but not using live-CD
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 16:24, Fred Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:48:43PM +0100, Barry Scott wrote: > > I want to create a bootable USB stick that runs fedora. > > > > I do not want to create a Live-CD USB stick because live-CD > > fails to boot on my main PC. And no one seems to know how to > > fix this. By using a read-write USB stick I can add in debug > > code to the boot process and try to findout what is hanging > > the boot process. > > > > What my google-fu is failed to do is figure out how to find > > instruction on how to do this with getting live-CD instructions. > > > > I'm guessing that I should be able to use anaconda or dnf to get > > the heavy lifting done. > > > > Does anyone know what the steps I need to follow are? > > > > Barry > > FWIW, some years back I did (more than once) install Fedora onto > a USB stick using an normal install procedure. all I had to do was > be sure to specify the right device for the USB stick so I didn't > wipe out the installed system on the computer. > > This was probably back around Fedoraaa 11-13 or thereabouts, and > I h aven't kept up with Fedora for the last few years, but there is > no reason THAT I KNOW OF why it wouldn't still work. > By "normal install procedure" I assume you mean you were able to boot some installation media. Since the OP can't boot the live media, the "normal install procedure" isn't available. It may be possible to create a new ISO image with extra grub options like https://www.askapache.com/linux/linux-debugging/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/ mentions adding persistent storage to a live USB which might be helpful for saving logs, etc. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where are the microcode updates for Crosstalk in F32 ?
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 18:59, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:06 AM George N. White III > wrote: > >> In general, the earlier the mitigations are applied, the harder it is to >> exploit the bugs, and >> some mitigations can only be applied at the BIOS level, so you need to >> check your BIOS >> vendor's updates and forums. >> >> > Sorry for the late reply. > > Does anyone here use an HP laptop ? > > Specifically this model: > https://support.hp.com/in-en/document/c04919819#AbT1 > This mentions FreeDOS under "Software" at the bottom of the page. > I have a very weird problem it seems. In my BIOS startup screen there > seems to be no option like "Update BIOS". > > The particular model I am using HP only publishes exe files that can be > used from within Windows via which the BIOS update can happen within the OS. > > They do not care about Linux. Hence my only option was to do the BIOS > update from outside the OS. Now I can't find the option to update the BIOS > from a USB. > > I have contacted HP via their Community forum but I doubt that I will get > a response. > > In the meantime if anyone knows anything about this problem let me know, > or what the best place would be to ask about this issue. > https://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c00042629 suggests that you can create a BIOS update USB drive from a BIOS update .exe file using a different PC running Windows. Some .exe files run in freeDOS and generate a .bin file. Some HP laptops have "BIOS update from file" in the System Diagnostics (maybe press F2 while booting) with the .bin file on a FAT format USB key. https://askubuntu.com/questions/539120/how-to-perform-a-hp-bios-upgrade-with-only-ubuntu has a number of examples for differnet HP models. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
remote desktop support
Hi all, Anyone get Chrome Remote Desktop Support to work on Fedora? The installer thinks I am running .deb. Anyone know of a better way? Go To Assist does not work. Many thanks, -T ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the plan for Thunderbird 78?
On 2020-07-21 05:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 10:28 -0500, SternData wrote: >> On 7/20/20 10:02 AM, Tim via users wrote: >>> On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 08:36 -0500, SternData wrote: According to Thunderbird.net, "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier." -- https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.0/releasenotes/ >>> Didn't you read the page on link you quoted? >>> >>> "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct download from >>> thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 68 or >>> earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions." >>> >> Yes, I read it. Will Thunderbird continue to be part of the Fedora repos? > My understanding of that quote is that older versions of TB cannot be > upgraded to version 78.0, but rather that it has to be freshly > installed. I don't use TB but assume that this refers to the in-program > update process (Firefox has a similar procedure), which Fedora users > won't generally be using anyway. I assume Fedora will continue to > support TB via the package manager as usual. And, FWIW, I would not be updating to TB 78 until there is a clear update patch since they note... Add-on support: As of version 78.0, Thunderbird only supports MailExtensions. Your favorite add-ons may not have been updated for compatibility. and OpenPGP functionality for Thunderbird 78 is still work in progress, and is disabled by default in the initial 78.0 release. See the wiki for how to enable and help with testing. I would not be happy with that. Well, unless I plan to be a tester. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: virtual box win7
On 2020-07-21 05:47, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to have my virtual box recognizing the USB devices, > but I get > > I installed > Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.0.40.vbox-extpack > > which is supposed to provide the UBS 2.0 and 3.0 drivers > > My devices are recognize by linux. > > Any idea? Where did you obtain VirtualBox? Does the version you installed match the Extension Pack? rpmFusion supplies 6.10 so you'd need Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-6.1.10.vbox-extpack -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where are the microcode updates for Crosstalk in F32 ?
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:06 AM George N. White III wrote: > In general, the earlier the mitigations are applied, the harder it is to > exploit the bugs, and > some mitigations can only be applied at the BIOS level, so you need to > check your BIOS > vendor's updates and forums. > > Sorry for the late reply. Does anyone here use an HP laptop ? Specifically this model: https://support.hp.com/in-en/document/c04919819#AbT1 I have a very weird problem it seems. In my BIOS startup screen there seems to be no option like "Update BIOS". The particular model I am using HP only publishes exe files that can be used from within Windows via which the BIOS update can happen within the OS. They do not care about Linux. Hence my only option was to do the BIOS update from outside the OS. Now I can't find the option to update the BIOS from a USB. I have contacted HP via their Community forum but I doubt that I will get a response. In the meantime if anyone knows anything about this problem let me know, or what the best place would be to ask about this issue. Thanks. -- Regards, Sreyan Chakravarty ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the plan for Thunderbird 78?
On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 10:28 -0500, SternData wrote: > On 7/20/20 10:02 AM, Tim via users wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 08:36 -0500, SternData wrote: > > > According to Thunderbird.net, "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only > > > offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade > > > from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier." > > > > > > -- https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.0/releasenotes/ > > > > Didn't you read the page on link you quoted? > > > > "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct download from > > thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 68 or > > earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions." > > > > Yes, I read it. Will Thunderbird continue to be part of the Fedora repos? My understanding of that quote is that older versions of TB cannot be upgraded to version 78.0, but rather that it has to be freshly installed. I don't use TB but assume that this refers to the in-program update process (Firefox has a similar procedure), which Fedora users won't generally be using anyway. I assume Fedora will continue to support TB via the package manager as usual. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is Portal and pipewire and Why Did They Start?
2020-07-19 16:14 UTC+02:00, Garry T. Williams : > I looked at the dnf logs and spotted this. > > Upgrading webkit2gtk3 caused flatpak to be installed (along with > xdg-desktop-portal-kde): > > Installing weak dependencies: > flatpak x86_64 1.6.4-1.fc32updates > 1.5 M > p11-kit-serverx86_64 0.23.20-1.fc32 fedora > 189 k > xdg-desktop-portal-kdex86_64 5.18.5-2.fc32 updates > 191 k > > I added excludepkgs to my dnf.conf file. > > Problem solved. For the time being. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
virtual box win7
Hello, I am trying to have my virtual box recognizing the USB devices, but I get I installed Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.0.40.vbox-extpack which is supposed to provide the UBS 2.0 and 3.0 drivers My devices are recognize by linux. Any idea? === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire interdisciplinaire Carnot de Bourgogne 9 Avenue Alain Savary, BP 47870, 21078 DIJON Cedex FRANCE Tel: +33 (0)380395988 === ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Create bootable disk with fedora - but not using live-CD
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:48:43PM +0100, Barry Scott wrote: > > FWIW, some years back I did (more than once) install Fedora onto > a USB stick using an normal install procedure. all I had to do was > be sure to specify the right device for the USB stick so I didn't > wipe out the installed system on the computer. > > This was probably back around Fedoraaa 11-13 or thereabouts, and > I h aven't kept up with Fedora for the last few years, but there is > no reason THAT I KNOW OF why it wouldn't still work. > > Good luck! > > Fred It's been a few months since I did this, but the technique still works just fine. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adduser to group
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:11:17PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Sorry for the disturbance: > usermod -a -G vboxusers pdupre > works fine I have a habit of using gpasswd, instead: gpasswd -a pdupre vboxusers because it's easy to forget the -a to usermod. (Or, less likely now, but it used to be that some versions of usermod didn't have that option and silently ignored it, which is a recipe for later confusion!) In any case, remember you have to log out and back in again for this to take effect. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adduser to group
On 07/20/2020 03:09 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, I want to add the user pdupre to the group vboxusers groups vboxusers groups: ‘vboxusers’: no such user What else did you expect? That command is used to list the groups a user is a member of. As vboxusers isn't a user, it can't belong to any groups. but useradd -m pdupre -G vboxusers useradd: user 'pdupre' already exists Again, what else did you expect? The useradd command is used to add a user to the list, and as pdupre is already in the list of users, that's what you should have expected. HTH, HAND. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: adduser to group
Sorry for the disturbance: usermod -a -G vboxusers pdupre works fine > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 at 11:09 PM > From: "Patrick Dupre" > To: "fedora" > Subject: adduser to group > > Hello, > > I want to add the user pdupre to the group vboxusers > groups vboxusers > groups: ‘vboxusers’: no such user > > > but > useradd -m pdupre -G vboxusers > > useradd: user 'pdupre' already exists > > > === > Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com > Laboratoire interdisciplinaire Carnot de Bourgogne > 9 Avenue Alain Savary, BP 47870, 21078 DIJON Cedex FRANCE > Tel: +33 (0)380395988 > === > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
adduser to group
Hello, I want to add the user pdupre to the group vboxusers groups vboxusers groups: ‘vboxusers’: no such user but useradd -m pdupre -G vboxusers useradd: user 'pdupre' already exists === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire interdisciplinaire Carnot de Bourgogne 9 Avenue Alain Savary, BP 47870, 21078 DIJON Cedex FRANCE Tel: +33 (0)380395988 === ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Create bootable disk with fedora - but not using live-CD
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:48:43PM +0100, Barry Scott wrote: > I want to create a bootable USB stick that runs fedora. > > I do not want to create a Live-CD USB stick because live-CD > fails to boot on my main PC. And no one seems to know how to > fix this. By using a read-write USB stick I can add in debug > code to the boot process and try to findout what is hanging > the boot process. > > What my google-fu is failed to do is figure out how to find > instruction on how to do this with getting live-CD instructions. > > I'm guessing that I should be able to use anaconda or dnf to get > the heavy lifting done. > > Does anyone know what the steps I need to follow are? > > Barry FWIW, some years back I did (more than once) install Fedora onto a USB stick using an normal install procedure. all I had to do was be sure to specify the right device for the USB stick so I didn't wipe out the installed system on the computer. This was probably back around Fedoraaa 11-13 or thereabouts, and I h aven't kept up with Fedora for the last few years, but there is no reason THAT I KNOW OF why it wouldn't still work. Good luck! Fred -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." -- Matthew 7:21 (niv) - ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Create bootable disk with fedora - but not using live-CD
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 05:48:43PM +0100, Barry Scott wrote: > I want to create a bootable USB stick that runs fedora. > > I do not want to create a Live-CD USB stick because live-CD > fails to boot on my main PC. And no one seems to know how to > fix this. By using a read-write USB stick I can add in debug > code to the boot process and try to findout what is hanging > the boot process. > > What my google-fu is failed to do is figure out how to find > instruction on how to do this with getting live-CD instructions. > > I'm guessing that I should be able to use anaconda or dnf to get > the heavy lifting done. > > Does anyone know what the steps I need to follow are? A LiveCD is basically a Fedora install with some stuff automatically starting once its booted, and potentially a different bootloader. It's not clear from what you've mentioned whether a standard Fedora install on a USB disk would help. Just booting from the LiveCD with additional kernel parameters would probably be sufficient to test your system. Can you not interact with the bootloader of the LiveCD? You could potentially edit the livecd image and change the default kernel parameters. -- Jonathan Billings ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Create bootable disk with fedora - but not using live-CD
I want to create a bootable USB stick that runs fedora. I do not want to create a Live-CD USB stick because live-CD fails to boot on my main PC. And no one seems to know how to fix this. By using a read-write USB stick I can add in debug code to the boot process and try to findout what is hanging the boot process. What my google-fu is failed to do is figure out how to find instruction on how to do this with getting live-CD instructions. I'm guessing that I should be able to use anaconda or dnf to get the heavy lifting done. Does anyone know what the steps I need to follow are? Barry ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
bizzare dual-monitor behavior
Let me start by saying I have used this same setup literally for years now and have not seen this new issue until yesterday. I have a dual monitor setup. One of the monitors is controlled by a KVM switch; the machines that have only a single graphics port use this monitor via the KVM switch. The other monitor has two HDMI ports that are connected to two computers directly, bypassing the KVM switch; I just switch the second monitor manually between the two as needed. What used to happen when I switched to a different computer is that I can use the new computer using the first monitor, the mouse and the keyboard, just as usual. The second monitor, unaffected by the KVM switch, will continue to show the image it is getting from the dual-monitor system. I am used to this; sometimes I even use it to my advantage when the monitor is showing a web page or something that I can still see while working on a different computer. But, what is now happening (since yesterday) is that when I switch to a second computer, the non-KVM-switched monitor now flashes off and on every few seconds (and just keeps doing this seemingly forever; I did leave it this way for more than 15 minutes last night) . This is INCREDIBLY annoying and makes it impossible to make any use of the image displayed there. Another oddity is that this is NOT happening with the other dual-monitor machine. That system is a Dell laptop in a dock. The system with the issue is a fairly new desktop (which did not exhibit the issue for the first few days of use, it suddenly started yesterday). Both systems are running Fedora 32 (but of course they have very different hardware). I normally use GNOME on Xorg, but I have tried plain GNOME (Wayland) and Cinnamon too and the problem exists there as well. I briefly tried Plasma, but that results in a solid green screen, and when I switch back to the two-monitor system, the first monitor is solid green too and none of the keys respond, so I had to use a remote ssh shutdown to recover. Has anyone ever seen anything like this and know what I could do to stop it? Thanks, --Greg ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the plan for Fedora 78?
On Monday, July 20, 2020 8:27:34 AM MST SternData wrote: > On 7/20/20 8:40 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Monday, July 20, 2020 6:36:35 AM MST SternData wrote: > >> According to Thunderbird.net, "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered > >> as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from > >> Thunderbird version 68 or earlier." > >> > >> -- https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.0/releasenotes/ > >> > >> What's the plan for Thunderbird in the Fedora repo going forward? > > > > We're still on Fedora 32. Come back in 23 years, and we'll see about > > Fedora > > 78. > > AARGH meant to type "for Thunderbird 78". DAMMIT! No worries, I figured as much, but figured that'd be an amusing response. As for the Thunderbird package, it's probably going to remain, but there's no telling how it'll handle the upgrade path. I'll look into the package for you later, to see if it's already in the spec, if nobody does so while I'm at work. -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the plan for Thunderbird 78?
On 7/20/20 10:02 AM, Tim via users wrote: > On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 08:36 -0500, SternData wrote: >> According to Thunderbird.net, "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only >> offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade >> from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier." >> >> -- https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.0/releasenotes/ > > Didn't you read the page on link you quoted? > > "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct download from > thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 68 or > earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions." > Yes, I read it. Will Thunderbird continue to be part of the Fedora repos? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the plan for Fedora 78?
On 7/20/20 8:40 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Monday, July 20, 2020 6:36:35 AM MST SternData wrote: >> According to Thunderbird.net, "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered >> as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from >> Thunderbird version 68 or earlier." >> >> -- https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.0/releasenotes/ >> >> What's the plan for Thunderbird in the Fedora repo going forward? > > We're still on Fedora 32. Come back in 23 years, and we'll see about Fedora > 78. > AARGH meant to type "for Thunderbird 78". DAMMIT! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the plan for Fedora 78?
On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 08:36 -0500, SternData wrote: > According to Thunderbird.net, "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only > offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade > from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier." > > -- https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.0/releasenotes/ Didn't you read the page on link you quoted? "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions." -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1127.13.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 23 15:46:38 UTC 2020 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: reboot after upgrade? and best practice
Thanks everyone for your answers. This is very clear to me now. I guess I will go the gui way for now, sometimes one can even upgrade/update while shutting down the machine, which is useful. thanks again. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: what's the plan for Fedora 78?
On Monday, July 20, 2020 6:36:35 AM MST SternData wrote: > According to Thunderbird.net, "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered > as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from > Thunderbird version 68 or earlier." > > -- https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.0/releasenotes/ > > What's the plan for Thunderbird in the Fedora repo going forward? We're still on Fedora 32. Come back in 23 years, and we'll see about Fedora 78. -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
what's the plan for Fedora 78?
According to Thunderbird.net, "Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier." -- https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.0/releasenotes/ What's the plan for Thunderbird in the Fedora repo going forward? -- -- Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: reboot after upgrade? and best practice
On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 04:44, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/19/20 9:21 PM, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote: > > I would like to ask what is the best practice for upgrading (updating > all packages, ie. "dnf upgrade") in my Fedora 32 Workstation. The Gnome > Software graphical application provides a way for me to do this, but it can > also be achieved in the command line. Do these two methods achieve exactly > the same results? I would also like to plainly ask if in any occasion it is > necessary or advisable to perform a system reboot after doing an "dnf > upgrade". I have noticed that when the upgrade is performed with Gnome > Software, a reboot is always performed after the upgrade. > > If you reboot after the dnf upgrade then the results are the same. > Until then you will still be using old versions of libraries and old > version of applications until you restart them. You can only use a new > kernel by rebooting. Some applications like Firefox can get unhappy if > you upgrade while they're running and can crash or have strange behaviour. > Any application that makes extensive use of dynamically loaded libraries can potentially run into trouble if it loads a recently upgraded library while still using older versions of other libraries. The problems may not always be highly visible (e.g., silent corruption of a database) and if visible are likely to be interpreted as a "buggy" update and can generate nuisance bug reports and cause users to avoid updating. > > When you use Gnome Software to do the upgrade, the reboot is not after > the upgrade, the reboot is required to *do* the upgrade. Only the > downloading of packages is done, then when you reboot, it will do the > upgrade, then reboot again into the updated system. > This method is the most robust way to ensure there are no problems associated with updating. It not only minimizes the chance of users having problems with updates, it also reduces the workloads for the people who deal with bug reports. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: reboot after upgrade? and best practice
On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 13:33 +0800, Qiyu Yan wrote: > Yes, full reboot always confirm that everything that needs restart is > correctly restarted, also those don't need to, personally, I don't like > this design. > > (I think) The better way is: > https://dnf-plugins-core.readthedocs.io/en/latest/needs_restarting.html > Or > https://dnf-plugins-extras.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tracer.html Agreed. That's also my preferred method, using the DNF tracer plugin so it's called automatically: python3-dnf-plugin-tracer It will tell you what programs you need to restart, or if you need to log out and in again. It will also tell you when you should reboot. It occasionally has a false positive, i.e. telling you to reboot when it doesn't seem to be necessary, but that's a minor issue. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: reboot after upgrade? and best practice
On 7/19/20 9:21 PM, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote: I would like to ask what is the best practice for upgrading (updating all packages, ie. "dnf upgrade") in my Fedora 32 Workstation. The Gnome Software graphical application provides a way for me to do this, but it can also be achieved in the command line. Do these two methods achieve exactly the same results? I would also like to plainly ask if in any occasion it is necessary or advisable to perform a system reboot after doing an "dnf upgrade". I have noticed that when the upgrade is performed with Gnome Software, a reboot is always performed after the upgrade. If you reboot after the dnf upgrade then the results are the same. Until then you will still be using old versions of libraries and old version of applications until you restart them. You can only use a new kernel by rebooting. Some applications like Firefox can get unhappy if you upgrade while they're running and can crash or have strange behaviour. When you use Gnome Software to do the upgrade, the reboot is not after the upgrade, the reboot is required to *do* the upgrade. Only the downloading of packages is done, then when you reboot, it will do the upgrade, then reboot again into the updated system. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
