Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 23Oct2022 22:25, Slade Watkins wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 4:55 PM Cameron Simpson wrote: These days I'm a big +1 for Discourse. From being a big -1. I'm not that huge of a fan, haha. I think it bring more inclusion for the web first crowd, while still being effective from the email side. It doesn't kill the former mailing lists; I'm still on the Python mailing lists, and my filer stuffs them all into my "python" folder anyway. It does have some issues, and I hope to discuss some of them with the devs. And yes, definitely raise those with them! Aye. I need to make a list and send them off in least controversial first order. In my spare time :-( Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 23Oct2022 17:03, Tom Horsley wrote: Obviously the next step is to merge the Discourse server with systemd! :-) &^$*$^*$&^$ systemd. What a heap of (^&(*^&(&^ I've been rebuilding a server recently with a fresh Ubuntu, and systemd has been a massive PITA. Gah! The idea's ok (parallel boot with dependencies and associated service up/down though a single daemon). We've all written them. But when it's going sour, it is remarkably unhelpful. To the point of wanting to throw the keyboard across the room. Grumble, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Epiphany not playing video in-page but doesn't play the direct video link
Hi! I'm having a weird issue with Epiphany, where a website having a mp4 video as background doesn't not play, but the direct link to the video plays inside Epiphany. Searching the web gave me old results from 5 years ago or more, and I did install gstreamer1-libav to see. This didn't fix the issue. Any idea what could be happening? Thank you. Fred ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 4:55 PM Cameron Simpson wrote: > With respect to this item in that post: > >No or broken threading on emails. This one is so annoying. Doesn't >any of the people who use Discourse use threading anywhere. >Context is everything. > > This is fixed in current Discourse, and the the Python discussions are > running the fixed version. The Discourse devs were _very_ welcoming and > responsive once the problem was well described and the required semantic > fixes specified. Maybe the RedHat instance would benefit from updating > the version. > > As a long time antiwebforum email first person, I'm pretty happy with > Discourse. > > I do use mailing list mode for most Discourse forums and work almost > entirely through the email interface. Happily. +1 to this. I've never had an issue, but... > > These days I'm a big +1 for Discourse. From being a big -1. I'm not that huge of a fan, haha. > > It does have some issues, and I hope to discuss some of them with the > devs. And yes, definitely raise those with them! -srw ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
KDE Task Manager Colouring Settings
Hi, Where do I find the settings to control the colour of the Task Manager bar for KDE under X11. I have gone into the Edit Mode settings and set the bar to Opaque, but that is not working to my satisfaction. At the moment all the icons on the bar are almost transparent and the background colour of the bar changes depending on what application I have displayed. For example, when I have a game I play being displayed in Firefox the bar colour is a sort of yellow centre gradient (yellow from the left and right edges to white in the middle) and it if have Thunderbird showing my mails the colour displayed is a slightly off-white. In system settings->appearance->colours I have turned off highlighting from the current colour theme. regards, Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Grub Background Image not Displayed in Grub Boot Menu
On 24/10/22 05:17, Joe Wulf via users wrote: Steve, Move the png file somewhere under /boot; as likely /usr isn't mounted during initial grub boot processing. I'll try that and see what happens, thankyou. As a side note, in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, your 'nouveau' and 'nvidia' entries are duplicated. Yeah, I noticed that but I'm not sure why. It's happened as a result of installing the rpmfusion nvidia drivers. At F36 install time I got the installer to activate 3rd party repositories, but it only activated the nvidia and steam rpmfusion repositories, so after install I activated the rpmfusion_nonfree and rpmfusion_free repositories by installing them, and then installing akmod_nvidia and kmod_nvidia packages. Given the structure of that line I'm assuming the first set of nvidia definitions were supplied at install time after the 3rd party repository activation, and the 2nd set is as a result of the install of the akmod and kmod packages, but I don't know. regards, Steve R, -Joe On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:44:25 PM EDT, Stephen Morris wrote: Hi, I have the following default config file in /etc/default/grub, and I have issued the grub2-mkconfig command to update /boot/grub2/grub.cfg which confirms that it found the background image, and when I look at /boot/grub2/grub.cfg it contains the necessary command to load png support and contains the background-image command to load the referenced image file, but the background does not display when the grub menu does, what am I missing? I've had used the grub-customizer app, without doing any config changes, and it successfully load the image from the specifications in /etc/default/grub. GRUB_TIMEOUT=100 GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)" GRUB_DEFAULT=saved GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=false GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="gfxterm" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=nouveau nvidia-drm.modeset=1 rhgb quiet rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=nouveau nvidia-drm.modeset=1" GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="false" GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG=false GRUB_BACKGROUND=/usr/share/sddm/themes/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72.png regards, Steve ___ users mailing list --users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email tousers-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives:https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it:https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Grub Background Image not Displayed in Grub Boot Menu
On 24/10/22 00:35, James Szinger wrote: On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 14:43:27 +1100 Stephen Morris wrote: Hi, I have the following default config file in /etc/default/grub, and I have issued the grub2-mkconfig command to update /boot/grub2/grub.cfg which confirms that it found the background image, and when I look at /boot/grub2/grub.cfg it contains the necessary command to load png support and contains the background-image command to load the referenced image file, but the background does not display when the grub menu does, what am I missing? I've had used the grub-customizer app, without doing any config changes, and it successfully load the image from the specifications in /etc/default/grub. GRUB_BACKGROUND=/usr/share/sddm/themes/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72.png I suspect that the image needs to be in the /boot file system. So GRUB_BACKGROUND=/boot/grub2/images/... Thanks Jim, that could be the case. I'll try it and see what happens. regards, Steve Jim ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
Obviously the next step is to merge the Discourse server with systemd! :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 23Oct2022 16:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 2) In some ways many of us consider the Discourse platform to be significantly inferior to a mailing list. It does offer a mailing list interface but in several respects it is inadequate. I refer you to this post which goes into some detail: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html With respect to this item in that post: No or broken threading on emails. This one is so annoying. Doesn't any of the people who use Discourse use threading anywhere. Context is everything. This is fixed in current Discourse, and the the Python discussions are running the fixed version. The Discourse devs were _very_ welcoming and responsive once the problem was well described and the required semantic fixes specified. Maybe the RedHat instance would benefit from updating the version. As a long time antiwebforum email first person, I'm pretty happy with Discourse. I do use mailing list mode for most Discourse forums and work almost entirely through the email interface. Happily. Discourse brings some advantages: - email to email users and forum for forum users (many of the young things these days) - an app (whose primary benefit to me is reply notifications) - the web interface also does notifications - uses and renders Markdown for the text - this IMO is a BIG step up from normal email (I've little use for HTML email and plain text email _is_ a little less expressive than Markdown, which is as easy to type as plain text anyway) These days I'm a big +1 for Discourse. From being a big -1. It does have some issues, and I hope to discuss some of them with the devs. Cheers, Cameron Simpson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 12:16 PM Mike Wright wrote: > On 10/23/22 08:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to > > Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation > > and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said > > lists. I speak mainly for the Evolution list but I think the same is > > true on at least some others. Some of the discussion can be seen at: > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/thread.html > > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html > > > > It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member of > > the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if > > there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this list and others > > in the Fedora ecosphere suffering the same fate. > > I've found this list to be phenomenally useful. The combined > professional experiences and individual life experiences are a HUGE > resource. No matter what it is there is always somebody who has the > answer. Discarding that makes about as much sense as the US discarding > their democracy. > *Ditto!! * > > So, as goes this list, so go I. > *Double Ditto!! * > > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: [Fedora] Re: OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
Dear all, On Sun, 23 Oct 2022, wwp wrote: I can see on the gimp and mc (midnight commander) mailing lists, very interesting information about viable alternatives and that the resistance is raising. The gnumeric community started a new mailing list. The real issue behind these initiatives is that the developers wouldn't join letting the users alone. That in many cases can be enough but not bug discovering/fixing, proposing new features and so on. Let's hope that this mailing list will always remain as such. Walter -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
Hello all, I can see on the gimp and mc (midnight commander) mailing lists, very interesting information about viable alternatives and that the resistance is raising. Regards, -- wwp https://useplaintext.email/ pgp8XfR29It3n.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On 10/23/22 08:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said lists. I speak mainly for the Evolution list but I think the same is true on at least some others. Some of the discussion can be seen at: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/thread.html There are two main points of contention: 1) Most members of these lists were not aware of the coming change until very recently. I am a moderator of the Evolution list and knew nothing about it before others. 2) In some ways many of us consider the Discourse platform to be significantly inferior to a mailing list. It does offer a mailing list interface but in several respects it is inadequate. I refer you to this post which goes into some detail: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member of the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this list and others in the Fedora ecosphere suffering the same fate. I've found this list to be phenomenally useful. The combined professional experiences and individual life experiences are a HUGE resource. No matter what it is there is always somebody who has the answer. Discarding that makes about as much sense as the US discarding their democracy. So, as goes this list, so go I. The last forum I tried to use didn't tie any responses to the original question. You had to google, etc. to try to locate responses, if any. Such a waste of my time. I uninstalled their product. Mike Wright ps. There is a silly anecdote about finding something you want. A sonfish went to his dad, a sunfish, and lamented, "Dad, I don't think I'll ever find a special fish friend. I'm so lonely." Dad advises him, "Be patient, son. There are a lot of people on the land." Same goes for distros. :m ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Grub Background Image not Displayed in Grub Boot Menu
Steve, Move the png file somewhere under /boot; as likely /usr isn't mounted during initial grub boot processing. As a side note, in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, your 'nouveau' and 'nvidia' entries are duplicated. R,-Joe On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:44:25 PM EDT, Stephen Morris wrote: Hi, I have the following default config file in /etc/default/grub, and I have issued the grub2-mkconfig command to update /boot/grub2/grub.cfg which confirms that it found the background image, and when I look at /boot/grub2/grub.cfg it contains the necessary command to load png support and contains the background-image command to load the referenced image file, but the background does not display when the grub menu does, what am I missing? I've had used the grub-customizer app, without doing any config changes, and it successfully load the image from the specifications in /etc/default/grub. GRUB_TIMEOUT=100 GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)" GRUB_DEFAULT=saved GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=false GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="gfxterm" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=nouveau nvidia-drm.modeset=1 rhgb quiet rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=nouveau nvidia-drm.modeset=1" GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="false" GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG=false GRUB_BACKGROUND=/usr/share/sddm/themes/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72.png regards, Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 04:26:10 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 10:28 -0700, stan via users wrote: > > I've noticed this exact trend. I think it is a management climber > > wanting to cut costs to get ahead, regardless what it does to > > customer service, and thus company reputation. And, unless my > > issue is absolutely essential, I *do* give up in disgust. I guess > > that is mission accomplished for them. > > > It enables them to stand up and say we've had an 80% reduction in > complaints since implementing the new system. > > Sadly some of them will actually believe that they've made things more > efficient, and not even realise what they've actually done. Though > others will, and don't give a damn. This is the kind of thing taught in MBA courses, so both of these are possible. > Have you ever seen the Yes Minister episode with the new hospital that > had no patients (and mightn't, for years), yet they had a massive > staff, all pointlessly doing things? Nobody working at the hospital > saw anything wrong with it. I haven't, but this is bureacracy run amok. Usually, the bureaucracy can't be subject to real world pressures (profitability) in order to reach such extremes. But I might be wrong, given how corporations have used their power to prevent competition by using regulatory clout. > Sometimes I feel like I'm in a Monty Python sketch, trying to win an > argument against John Cleese. > > I certainly felt that way earlier this year trying to deal with the > phone company over broken equipment that needed replacing. It took > well over 18 months to get it done. They tried every delaying tactic > under the sun. Wanted pointless, and excessively moronic, things done > repeatedly. e.g. Can you take a photo of your phone not working and > send it to me? It's what happens when you let non-technical people > work in a technical area. > > And I'm currently going through the same kind of crap with the local > council over them destroying my lawn. They had the nerve to ask for > photographic evidence that I had one before they did what they did. > Wow! It certainly does sound like you are living in a Monty Python skit. Apologies, but I had to laugh when I read about your travails. Monty Python indeed. I think we are getting far afield from Fedora here, so I'm going to bow out of the conversation now. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 10:28 -0700, stan via users wrote: > I've noticed this exact trend. I think it is a management climber > wanting to cut costs to get ahead, regardless what it does to customer > service, and thus company reputation. And, unless my issue is > absolutely essential, I *do* give up in disgust. I guess that is > mission accomplished for them. It enables them to stand up and say we've had an 80% reduction in complaints since implementing the new system. Sadly some of them will actually believe that they've made things more efficient, and not even realise what they've actually done. Though others will, and don't give a damn. Have you ever seen the Yes Minister episode with the new hospital that had no patients (and mightn't, for years), yet they had a massive staff, all pointlessly doing things? Nobody working at the hospital saw anything wrong with it. Sometimes I feel like I'm in a Monty Python sketch, trying to win an argument against John Cleese. I certainly felt that way earlier this year trying to deal with the phone company over broken equipment that needed replacing. It took well over 18 months to get it done. They tried every delaying tactic under the sun. Wanted pointless, and excessively moronic, things done repeatedly. e.g. Can you take a photo of your phone not working and send it to me? It's what happens when you let non-technical people work in a technical area. And I'm currently going through the same kind of crap with the local council over them destroying my lawn. They had the nerve to ask for photographic evidence that I had one before they did what they did. -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 5.19.15-201.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Oct 13 18:58:38 UTC 2022 x86_64 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 16:50:30 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to > Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation > and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said > lists. I speak mainly for the Evolution list but I think the same is > true on at least some others. Some of the discussion can be seen at: > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/thread.html > > There are two main points of contention: > > 1) Most members of these lists were not aware of the coming change > until very recently. I am a moderator of the Evolution list and knew > nothing about it before others. > > 2) In some ways many of us consider the Discourse platform to be > significantly inferior to a mailing list. It does offer a mailing list > interface but in several respects it is inadequate. I refer you to > this post which goes into some detail: > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html > > It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member > of the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if > there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this list and others > in the Fedora ecosphere suffering the same fate. Is this another step of emulating mac/apple behavior? I'm not familiar enough with the mac ecosystem to know. Alternatively, this might be meant to cater to people using smart phones. I'm not sure why that would be relevant to an OS that doesn't run on phones, but younger people who grew up with smart phones are tethered to them, and use them as their base for evaluation of what is worthwhile or not. Perhaps someone at Gnome surmises that they can get more participation in that demographic by doing this? A few years ago when Discourse was first introduced to Fedora, I tried it. It didn't turn my crank, so I am probably one of those people who would stop actively participating, as mentioned in your second link above, if mailing lists were to disappear. But perhaps lots of new people would welcome the change, participate more, and the net change would be a benefit to fedora. Is there lots of participation on the discourse platform that already exists? Does it eclipse the participation on the mailing lists? I imagine that the two communities are pretty much disjoint, with people expressing their preferred method of communication by which one they participate in. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 03:40:41 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > of them that I've seen just sucks. My website host uses one of those > ticketing support systems, it seems designed to make people give up > in disgust when trying to resolve an issue. You can't email them, > you can't phone them. I've noticed this exact trend. I think it is a management climber wanting to cut costs to get ahead, regardless what it does to customer service, and thus company reputation. And, unless my issue is absolutely essential, I *do* give up in disgust. I guess that is mission accomplished for them. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 16:50 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > In some ways many of us consider the Discourse platform to be > significantly inferior to a mailing list. It does offer a mailing list > interface but in several respects it is inadequate. I refer you to this > post which goes into some detail: Oh, and additionally... This reminds me of using Facebook. I'll get an email saying "someone sent you a message," and that's it. They don't email me the message, nor give me any clue about it (and, obviously, I can't simply email a reply back). I have to log into Facebook to read it. Nothing about that is done for my convenience. It's all about dragging you into their ecosystem and exploiting you. -- uname -rsvp Linux 5.19.15-201.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Oct 13 18:58:38 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Mailing lists and Discourse
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 16:50 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to > Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation > and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said > lists. I speak mainly for the Evolution list but I think the same is > true on at least some others. Some of the discussion can be seen at: I looked through the links, and glanced at some other things on there. A web forum, hmm? I don't use them. Sure, if you want to lock people into a website it suits the maintainers, but it doesn't suit me. I participated in a lot of mailing lists, less these days, but it was easy. All messages came to me, in my mail, and I could respond by mail. The interface is whichever real email client I prefer. I've *never* *participated* in web forums, I'd have to log into one website after another for each different thing. My only use of web forums is when I do a google search for something, and the results pull up some pages from a web forum that I'll read (often finding them a waste of time), but make no response to. Keeping track of where you are in them is a nightmare. People have tried that kind of thing, here. Suggesting support move to a web forum. We have hyperkitty to thank/curse for that. This list carries on, users maintaining its activity. The various website things come and go. Of course there's virtually nothing preventing existing users from just starting their own independent mailing list, other than becoming splitters and only discovered by new people in round-a-bout ways. You'd also become isolated, but then there's always been the argument that some projects (e.g. Gnome) ignores its users and does whatever it wants despite of them. It seems particularly dopey to me to move the support mechanism for an email program like Evolution away from using email. Every now and then some marketing drone declares that email is dead and everyone is moving over to their web-based platform. Every one of them that I've seen just sucks. My website host uses one of those ticketing support systems, it seems designed to make people give up in disgust when trying to resolve an issue. You can't email them, you can't phone them. As things become obstacles to use they get abandoned. The long-term participants who have answers to people's queries disappear when interaction becomes inconvenient. Leaving behind the blind leading the blind. You only have to look at things like the Ubuntu forums to see an example of that. -- uname -rsvp Linux 5.19.15-201.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Oct 13 18:58:38 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Mailing lists and Discourse
Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said lists. I speak mainly for the Evolution list but I think the same is true on at least some others. Some of the discussion can be seen at: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/thread.html There are two main points of contention: 1) Most members of these lists were not aware of the coming change until very recently. I am a moderator of the Evolution list and knew nothing about it before others. 2) In some ways many of us consider the Discourse platform to be significantly inferior to a mailing list. It does offer a mailing list interface but in several respects it is inadequate. I refer you to this post which goes into some detail: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2022-October/msg00276.html It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member of the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this list and others in the Fedora ecosphere suffering the same fate. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Grub Background Image not Displayed in Grub Boot Menu
On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 14:43:27 +1100 Stephen Morris wrote: > Hi, > I have the following default config file in /etc/default/grub, > and I have issued the grub2-mkconfig command to update > /boot/grub2/grub.cfg which confirms that it found the background > image, and when I look at /boot/grub2/grub.cfg it contains the > necessary command to load png support and contains the > background-image command to load the referenced image file, but the > background does not display when the grub menu does, what am I > missing? I've had used the grub-customizer app, without doing any > config changes, and it successfully load the image from the > specifications in /etc/default/grub. > GRUB_BACKGROUND=/usr/share/sddm/themes/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72.png I suspect that the image needs to be in the /boot file system. So GRUB_BACKGROUND=/boot/grub2/images/... Jim ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
