Re: F38 installer claims it cannot find a hard disk

[Barry]

> On 6 Oct 2023, at 03:12, Michael Hennebry  
> wrote:
> 
> I burned the F38 workstation installer onto a DVD.
> On booting it can find my home directory on the only hard disk.
> When I tell the installer to install,
> it claims it cannot find a hard drive.  Grrr.
> 
> The first time I got the message, I just rebooted.
> On the second boot, I looked for my home directory and found it.
> I even looked at some images, so I know it was atually reading files.
> When I told it to install, no go.

Is it the hard disk with /home that you want to install fedora into?
Is the message saying there is not enough free space on any disk?

Barry

> 
> Suggestions?
> Requests for more data?
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Re: Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

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On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:15 AM stan via users
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>
> I recently received an offer from T-mobile to use their 5G network as
> my main internet access.  It was contingent on a contract for phone
> with them, but the price and speed for internet was competitive.  Has
> anyone done this using fedora, or I suppose, any other system?  Horror
> stories or kudos?  The main drawback I could see was that it was a lot
> like early cable, where the bandwidth depended on the number of users
> on your branch. If it was just me, I have the whole pipe, and it would
> be awesome. Ten others and me, and not so hot as we shared the bandwidth
> among us.

I used T-Mobile and a hotspot for internet access while on-prem at a
customer's site in New York City (Manhattan) back around 2011 to about
2012 or 2013. It was a 4G network back then. I used the hotspot to
avoid using the customer's network, and its Data Loss Prevention (DLP)
program.

T-Mobile regularly dropped my data connections when the network got
bogged down (presumably with voice calls).

Your internet and data traffic on a 5G connection will likely be a
second class citizen with no quality of service guarantees. In fact,
it probably won't even meet 5G standards, which I believe is 20 GB/s
burst and 1 GB/s download speed. If I recall correctly, there are
loopholes built into the marketing so carriers can claim they provide
the standard even though they don't meet the specification. Or that's
what I found back in the 4G days.

Jeff
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Re: How do I stop this malware

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On 10/05/2023 09:15 PM, Tim via users wrote:

It's a pity there isn't a hotkey for killing just the frontmost/topmost
program.  ALT+F4 will close the top/front window, if they're obeying
control, but I mean instantly killing the topmost window despite what
it wants.  There's a force quit taskbar app for that (on Mate, at
least), click on it, then click on the window you want to kill.  But
that can be hard to do if something is really hammering the CPU with a
heavy load.


Just install xkill and put an icon for it on your taskbar.  It's DE 
agnostic and kills rogue windows just fine.

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Re: How do I stop this malware

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On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 21:05 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> I can switch to another virtual console,
> but do not know how to kill just one tab.
> I can got out of it by disconnecting the ethernet cable,
> but would rather disconnect with the GUI.

I always set up the kill the X server hotkey sequence of
CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE as a way to quickly terminate rogue graphical things
without going through a full reboot, you're just logged out.  Typically
that's something like a broken MPEG or AVI file that has deadlooped a
codec or media player hard, for me, but occasionally a program has
crashed hard by itself.

It's a pity there isn't a hotkey for killing just the frontmost/topmost
program.  ALT+F4 will close the top/front window, if they're obeying
control, but I mean instantly killing the topmost window despite what
it wants.  There's a force quit taskbar app for that (on Mate, at
least), click on it, then click on the window you want to kill.  But
that can be hard to do if something is really hammering the CPU with a
heavy load.

Of course you lose all tabs open in a browser, and if your browser is
set to re-open previous tabs you're back to square one.

Firefox will close the current tab or window if you hit CTRL+W.  Though
if the site has set up an OnClose event you might have a battle with it
respawning some other annoying thing as it closes.  Likewise, if it's
pegging your CPU at 100% usage it can be hard to get control.



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Re: Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

[Tim via users]

On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 08:15 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> I recently received an offer from T-mobile to use their 5G network as
> my main internet access.  It was contingent on a contract for phone
> with them, but the price and speed for internet was competitive.

That's emerging around here.  I was on the border of it not being
available to me, but is to someone a couple of streets away.

Not that I want to use it.  Here, they're doing the typical thing of
overselling access to it.

We have fibre to the house, and fortunately it's not combined with too
many other uses in the local area.  Though we're massively out of date
with regards to speed and bandwidth, like about 15 years behind the
rest of the world.  Our maximums are other's minimums.
 
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[Tim via users]

On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 10:07 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> What I think I can glean from these pages, is that it requires software
> on both the phone and the pc.

Oh, and the other thing...  If you want to receive calls, your system
has to be always running.  This is where standalone devices have the
advantage (as well as not requiring convoluted configuration).

Most of our landlines are now VOIP in one way or another.  Your ISP
supplied modem has a phone socket you plug a traditional phone into. 
Or the fibre NTD has a similar scheme.  There's only a few places left,
relatively speaking, which still have the old copper wire phone system
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[Tim via users]

On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 10:07 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> What I think I can glean from these pages, is that it requires software
> on both the phone and the pc.

I can well imagine trying to link a computer to a phone will end up
with lots of "I can't hear you, can you hear me?" phone calls.

Last year we tried to hold a meeting through Zoom and Skype, we spent
more time trying to get the thing working than the meeting actually
went for.  In the end it was a mish-mash of two people on Zoom or
Skype, and two or three others on mobile phones on the table set to
speakerphone.  Conference calls were always a pain on any technology.
 
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> A 4G/5G usb-stick is essentially a mobile phone modem in the USB
>> stick. So, similar to connecting your computer to your phone and
>> using your phone as a modem.

stan
> Is that what is called 'tethering'?

Tethering refers to networking through your phone, essentially your
phone is a modem between your computer and the internet through the
phone service.  It could be USB cable to your phone or the phone could
act as a wireless access point.

Accessing files stored on your phone is another thing.  Depending on
your phone, it could appear to the computer like you've just plugged in
a USB hard drive, and you can access files you've saved on the phone
(photos, downloads, etc), or maybe nearly everything stored on the
phone (SMSs, program settings, etc).  But some phones give you a very
filtered access to files through a handler, a bit like FTP.

As far as SIM-less use, that's going to depend on your service provider
and the phone (or other device).  If they don't require a SIM card
inserted in the device, then they're using other identifying details
supplied from your phone to authorise that device (essentially an
emulated SIM card).  SIM cards were an easy way for you to connect any
phone to your account, you could just swap the card when you buy a new
phone.  Emulated ones are built into the phone, you'd have to get the
new phone authorised through their helpdesk when you swap phones.


>> Asterisk is a full blown computerised version of an office PABX, you
>> may find yourself in a configuration minefield if all you wanted was
>> voice calling.  Though it may be your best option if you simply want
>> to be able to call any other phone as if you were using a phone.

> I can't be the only one who would want to use it in minimal mode.
> Maybe, since my use case is so simple, I could just use the default
> configuration, and ignore all the other bells and whistles.

For asterisk to work, it has to know quite a bit of configuration data
to access the phone network.  All of that is pertinent to the
particular phone service, so out of the box it wouldn't be doing
anything, unless there's some free limited services provider out there
that it comes pre-configured for.  All typical service providers want
to be paid, so there's authentication to set up and addresses of
servers to use.
 

>> Thankfully, here, we've finally got to the stage where mobile phones
>> don't cost you an arm and a leg to speak to someone in call and
>> monthly charges.  It's put landlines and payphones to death, now it's
>> virtually only organisations with staff still using landlines.

> Same thing happening here, the POTS providers see a steady erosion in
> their land line user base over time.

I think I've only had one genuine call on the landline in the last
couple of years, everything else has been some kind of nuisance call or
scam.

I have one major reason for keeping the landline, in an emergency call
they know the exact address you're calling from.  If you flake out in
the middle of calling for help, they know where to send it.  Plus with
a cabled traditional phone, it's not hiding down the back of the sofa
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 08:22 PM, Tim via users wrote:

I don't recall you showing the output from any commands in the GRUB
prompt, such as ls.  Which would show drives and content that it finds.


I'll be glad to do that if, and only if a flash drive with F35 on it 
fails.  If it works, I'll just assume that the known bug discussed here 
earlier is the culprit.

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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 08:18 PM, Tim via users wrote:

But considering you said it did boot some other live distro in the
shop, it's probably just something about Fedora's booting.


I'm going to download F35, the version I used when I bought the laptop, 
install from that to avoid the known bug, then upgrade to 37, and later 
39 when it comes out, making the issues with 38 moot.

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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Tim via users]

On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 09:57 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> My desktop didn't go right to the grub prompt, it gave me a menu first, 
> but ended up at the prompt.  Any explanation that doesn't include that, 
> or the fact that the laptop booted OK at the shop can't be right.

That almost sounds like a drive enumeration issue.  Like it wants to
boot from drive 0, but there's something else being counted as drive 0,
and other partitions on your USB stick are drive 1.

I don't recall you showing the output from any commands in the GRUB
prompt, such as ls.  Which would show drives and content that it finds.
 
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Re: How do I stop this malware

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 08:05 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:

I can switch to another virtual console,
but do not know how to kill just one tab.
I can got out of it by disconnecting the ethernet cable,
but would rather disconnect with the GUI.


I don't think that you can kill one tab or one window, but killing the 
browser will at least let you continue without rebooting.

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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Tim via users]

On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 10:13 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> As I've written many times, F12 only gets me to the BIOS if the drive's 
> not inserted.  And, the laptop's only about two, maybe three years old 
> at most.

Could be a timing issue.  Have you tried hammering away at the F12 key
as soon as you switch on?

Though, anyway, it sounds like it is trying to boot from the USB stick,
and you have another problem.  There is a chance its trying to do
something else (such as BIOS updates from the flash drive).  You might
want to try booting without the USB drive, go into the BIOS, look at
what your boot options are, see that there's nothing special stacked up
in the boot order.  Even without a USB drive plugged in, the boot
priority list ought to show it as a possibility.

But considering you said it did boot some other live distro in the
shop, it's probably just something about Fedora's booting.
 
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F38 installer claims it cannot find a hard disk

[Michael Hennebry]

I burned the F38 workstation installer onto a DVD.
On booting it can find my home directory on the only hard disk.
When I tell the installer to install,
it claims it cannot find a hard drive.  Grrr.

The first time I got the message, I just rebooted.
On the second boot, I looked for my home directory and found it.
I even looked at some images, so I know it was atually reading files.
When I told it to install, no go.

Suggestions?
Requests for more data?

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Re: How do I stop this malware

[Joe Wulf via users]

 FF doesn't provide the fidelity to kill 'just one tab'.

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 10:06:30 PM EDT, Michael Hennebry 
 wrote:  
 
 On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 1:11?PM Michael Hennebry
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023, George N. White III wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 11:19?AM Michael Hennebry <
>>> henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> This is trying to cure the disease by eliminating a symptom.  You don't
>>> know what is
>>> happening behind that full screen.
>>
>> Going fullscreen is part if what makes
>> it hard to even try to make it go away.
>>
>> The malware does three things:
>> 1. It shows an image.
>> 2. It goes fullscreen.
>> 3. It disables buttons.
>>
>> Preventing 1 would seem a really bad idea.
>> I'd like to prevent 2 or 3.
>
> Did you try alt-tab to switch to another application (say a terminal)
> to kill the tab from the command line?
>
> I don't think the full screen trick inside firefox can stop that, and
> I think I have hit a few of these half-assed websites before, but
> alt-tab must have worked for me to bypass them and kill the tab.

I can switch to another virtual console,
but do not know how to kill just one tab.
I can got out of it by disconnecting the ethernet cable,
but would rather disconnect with the GUI.

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Re: How do I stop this malware

[Michael Hennebry]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Roger Heflin wrote:


On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 1:11?PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:


On Sat, 30 Sep 2023, George N. White III wrote:


On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 11:19?AM Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:



This is trying to cure the disease by eliminating a symptom.  You don't
know what is
happening behind that full screen.


Going fullscreen is part if what makes
it hard to even try to make it go away.

The malware does three things:
1. It shows an image.
2. It goes fullscreen.
3. It disables buttons.

Preventing 1 would seem a really bad idea.
I'd like to prevent 2 or 3.


Did you try alt-tab to switch to another application (say a terminal)
to kill the tab from the command line?

I don't think the full screen trick inside firefox can stop that, and
I think I have hit a few of these half-assed websites before, but
alt-tab must have worked for me to bypass them and kill the tab.


I can switch to another virtual console,
but do not know how to kill just one tab.
I can got out of it by disconnecting the ethernet cable,
but would rather disconnect with the GUI.

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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

[Alex]

Hi,

You might try uninstalling mesa-va-drivers and replacing with this:
> mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
>
> one of my 2 machines was ok and a 2nd one looked closer to what yours
> looked like.
>
> And replacing with freeworld it now looks much better and has a lot
> more accelerators.
>

I've done that, and now it definitely appears to have more support, but
alas, it made no difference.

$ vainfo The.Equalizer.mkv
Trying display: wayland
Trying display: x11
libva info: VA-API version 1.18.0
libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_18
libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
vainfo: VA-API version: 1.18 (libva 2.18.2)
vainfo: Driver version: Mesa Gallium driver 23.1.8 for AMD Radeon RX 570
Series (polaris10, LLVM 16.0.6, DRM 3.54, 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64)
vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
  VAProfileMPEG2Simple: VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileMPEG2Main  : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileVC1Simple  : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileVC1Main: VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileVC1Advanced: VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileH264ConstrainedBaseline: VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileH264ConstrainedBaseline: VAEntrypointEncSlice
  VAProfileH264Main   : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileH264Main   : VAEntrypointEncSlice
  VAProfileH264High   : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileH264High   : VAEntrypointEncSlice
  VAProfileHEVCMain   : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileHEVCMain   : VAEntrypointEncSlice
  VAProfileHEVCMain10 : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileJPEGBaseline   : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileNone   : VAEntrypointVideoProc

I also just tried to play two regular 1080p videos at the same time using
vlc, and it also showed the same problem where the system becomes
effectively unusable.

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

[Roger Heflin]

I did not look at the size, I was looking for the encoder since that
was likely to be what was causing his issue.  I just checked and the
width and height are close to 4k.   Really anything close to and/or
over 2500 x 1440 is probably close enough to 4k from the point of view
of trying to play it.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 4:21 PM Stephen Morris  wrote:
>
> On 6/10/23 07:04, Roger Heflin wrote:
> > You might try uninstalling mesa-va-drivers and replacing with this:
> > mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
> >
> > one of my 2 machines was ok and a 2nd one looked closer to what yours
> > looked like.
> >
> > And replacing with freeworld it now looks much better and has a lot
> > more accelerators.
> Hi Roger, just a silly question for my benefit, what information in the
> mediainfo output that Alex supplied, confirms that the video actually is 4K?
>
> regards,
> Steve
>
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 2:40 PM Alex  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 3:38 PM Alex  wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 2:59 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:
>  what does vainfo show?  You may need to install it.   You are looking
>  for something like below, I believe the main10 is what is needed for
>  your video.
> 
>    VAProfileHEVCMain   : VAEntrypointVLD
>    VAProfileHEVCMain10 : VAEntrypointVLD
> 
>  You may need to then confirm that your given video card supports those 
>  decoders.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks so much for your help. This all worked properly before I upgraded 
> >>> to fc38 some time ago.
> >>>
> >>> $ vainfo The.Equalizer.mkv
> >>> Trying display: wayland
> >>> Trying display: x11
> >>> libva info: VA-API version 1.18.0
> >>> libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
> >>> libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_18
> >>> libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
> >>> vainfo: VA-API version: 1.18 (libva 2.18.2)
> >>> vainfo: Driver version: Mesa Gallium driver 23.1.8 for AMD Radeon RX 570 
> >>> Series (polaris10, LLVM 16.0.6, DRM 3.54, 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64)
> >>> vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
> >>>VAProfileMPEG2Simple: VAEntrypointVLD
> >>>VAProfileMPEG2Main  : VAEntrypointVLD
> >>>VAProfileJPEGBaseline   : VAEntrypointVLD
> >>>VAProfileNone   : VAEntrypointVideoProc
> >>
> >> Perhaps I should have also included these details.
> >>
> >> $ ls -l /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
> >> -rwxr-xr-x 4 root root 13260600 Sep 19 20:00 
> >> /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
> >>
> >> $ rpm -qf /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
> >> mesa-va-drivers-23.1.8-1.fc38.x86_64
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alex
> >>
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Re: Solved: Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 2023-10-05 12:34, stan via users wrote:

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 07:18:54 -0700
stan via users  wrote:


When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.


Inspired by the responses here that allowed me to understand what I was
searching for, I eventually found a program called scrcpy.

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/

It allows a linux desktop attached to a phone, either via usb or tcpip,
to control the phone.

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/blob/master/doc/linux.md


You might want to check out "kde-connect" which is packaged for Fedora.
It works on other desktops as well.
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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2023-10-06 at 08:20 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 6/10/23 07:04, Roger Heflin wrote:
> > You might try uninstalling mesa-va-drivers and replacing with this:
> > mesa-va-drivers-freeworld
> > 
> > one of my 2 machines was ok and a 2nd one looked closer to what
> > yours
> > looked like.
> > 
> > And replacing with freeworld it now looks much better and has a lot
> > more accelerators.
> Hi Roger, just a silly question for my benefit, what information in
> the 
> mediainfo output that Alex supplied, confirms that the video actually
> is 4K?

Presumably these lines:

Width: 3 840 pixels
Height   : 1 608 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1

poc
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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

[Stephen Morris]

On 6/10/23 07:04, Roger Heflin wrote:

You might try uninstalling mesa-va-drivers and replacing with this:
mesa-va-drivers-freeworld

one of my 2 machines was ok and a 2nd one looked closer to what yours
looked like.

And replacing with freeworld it now looks much better and has a lot
more accelerators.
Hi Roger, just a silly question for my benefit, what information in the 
mediainfo output that Alex supplied, confirms that the video actually is 4K?


regards,
Steve



On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 2:40 PM Alex  wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 3:38 PM Alex  wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 2:59 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:

what does vainfo show?  You may need to install it.   You are looking
for something like below, I believe the main10 is what is needed for
your video.

  VAProfileHEVCMain   : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileHEVCMain10 : VAEntrypointVLD

You may need to then confirm that your given video card supports those decoders.


Thanks so much for your help. This all worked properly before I upgraded to 
fc38 some time ago.

$ vainfo The.Equalizer.mkv
Trying display: wayland
Trying display: x11
libva info: VA-API version 1.18.0
libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_18
libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
vainfo: VA-API version: 1.18 (libva 2.18.2)
vainfo: Driver version: Mesa Gallium driver 23.1.8 for AMD Radeon RX 570 Series 
(polaris10, LLVM 16.0.6, DRM 3.54, 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64)
vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
   VAProfileMPEG2Simple: VAEntrypointVLD
   VAProfileMPEG2Main  : VAEntrypointVLD
   VAProfileJPEGBaseline   : VAEntrypointVLD
   VAProfileNone   : VAEntrypointVideoProc


Perhaps I should have also included these details.

$ ls -l /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
-rwxr-xr-x 4 root root 13260600 Sep 19 20:00 
/usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so

$ rpm -qf /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
mesa-va-drivers-23.1.8-1.fc38.x86_64

Thanks,
Alex

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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

[Roger Heflin]

You might try uninstalling mesa-va-drivers and replacing with this:
mesa-va-drivers-freeworld

one of my 2 machines was ok and a 2nd one looked closer to what yours
looked like.

And replacing with freeworld it now looks much better and has a lot
more accelerators.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 2:40 PM Alex  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 3:38 PM Alex  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 2:59 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:
>>>
>>> what does vainfo show?  You may need to install it.   You are looking
>>> for something like below, I believe the main10 is what is needed for
>>> your video.
>>>
>>>  VAProfileHEVCMain   : VAEntrypointVLD
>>>  VAProfileHEVCMain10 : VAEntrypointVLD
>>>
>>> You may need to then confirm that your given video card supports those 
>>> decoders.
>>
>>
>> Thanks so much for your help. This all worked properly before I upgraded to 
>> fc38 some time ago.
>>
>> $ vainfo The.Equalizer.mkv
>> Trying display: wayland
>> Trying display: x11
>> libva info: VA-API version 1.18.0
>> libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
>> libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_18
>> libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
>> vainfo: VA-API version: 1.18 (libva 2.18.2)
>> vainfo: Driver version: Mesa Gallium driver 23.1.8 for AMD Radeon RX 570 
>> Series (polaris10, LLVM 16.0.6, DRM 3.54, 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64)
>> vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
>>   VAProfileMPEG2Simple: VAEntrypointVLD
>>   VAProfileMPEG2Main  : VAEntrypointVLD
>>   VAProfileJPEGBaseline   : VAEntrypointVLD
>>   VAProfileNone   : VAEntrypointVideoProc
>
>
> Perhaps I should have also included these details.
>
> $ ls -l /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
> -rwxr-xr-x 4 root root 13260600 Sep 19 20:00 
> /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
>
> $ rpm -qf /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
> mesa-va-drivers-23.1.8-1.fc38.x86_64
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

[Alex]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 3:38 PM Alex  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 2:59 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:
>
>> what does vainfo show?  You may need to install it.   You are looking
>> for something like below, I believe the main10 is what is needed for
>> your video.
>>
>>  VAProfileHEVCMain   : VAEntrypointVLD
>>  VAProfileHEVCMain10 : VAEntrypointVLD
>>
>> You may need to then confirm that your given video card supports those
>> decoders.
>>
>
> Thanks so much for your help. This all worked properly before I upgraded
> to fc38 some time ago.
>
> $ vainfo The.Equalizer.mkv
> Trying display: wayland
> Trying display: x11
> libva info: VA-API version 1.18.0
> libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
> libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_18
> libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
> vainfo: VA-API version: 1.18 (libva 2.18.2)
> vainfo: Driver version: Mesa Gallium driver 23.1.8 for AMD Radeon RX 570
> Series (polaris10, LLVM 16.0.6, DRM 3.54, 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64)
> vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
>   VAProfileMPEG2Simple: VAEntrypointVLD
>   VAProfileMPEG2Main  : VAEntrypointVLD
>   VAProfileJPEGBaseline   : VAEntrypointVLD
>   VAProfileNone   : VAEntrypointVideoProc
>

Perhaps I should have also included these details.

$ ls -l /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
-rwxr-xr-x 4 root root 13260600 Sep 19 20:00
/usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so

$ rpm -qf /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
mesa-va-drivers-23.1.8-1.fc38.x86_64

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

[Alex]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 2:59 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:

> what does vainfo show?  You may need to install it.   You are looking
> for something like below, I believe the main10 is what is needed for
> your video.
>
>  VAProfileHEVCMain   : VAEntrypointVLD
>  VAProfileHEVCMain10 : VAEntrypointVLD
>
> You may need to then confirm that your given video card supports those
> decoders.
>

Thanks so much for your help. This all worked properly before I upgraded to
fc38 some time ago.

$ vainfo The.Equalizer.mkv
Trying display: wayland
Trying display: x11
libva info: VA-API version 1.18.0
libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib64/dri/radeonsi_drv_video.so
libva info: Found init function __vaDriverInit_1_18
libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0
vainfo: VA-API version: 1.18 (libva 2.18.2)
vainfo: Driver version: Mesa Gallium driver 23.1.8 for AMD Radeon RX 570
Series (polaris10, LLVM 16.0.6, DRM 3.54, 6.5.5-200.fc38.x86_64)
vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
  VAProfileMPEG2Simple: VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileMPEG2Main  : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileJPEGBaseline   : VAEntrypointVLD
  VAProfileNone   : VAEntrypointVideoProc

Thanks,
Alex




>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:27 AM Alex  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >> > I have a fedora38 desktop and having a problem playing 4k videos.
> >> > When
> >> > playing some videos, my entire system becomes sluggish and slow to
> >> > respond,
> >> > like the system is under extreme load or all resources are consumed
> >> > by
> >> > graphics rendering.
> >> >
> >> > This is the lspci info for my video card:
> >> > 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
> >> > [AMD/ATI]
> >> > Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] (rev ef)
> >> >
> >> > CPU utilization doesn't appear to be a problem, so really have no
> >> > idea why
> >> > this is happening. Perhaps a missing codec? How do I control hardware
> >> > rendering?
> >> >
> >> > What other information can I provide to help troubleshoot this?
> >>
> >> At a minimum, what video software is this, and what codec does the
> >> video use? For the latter, use (e.g.) mediainfo to find out.
> >
> >
> > Here's the mediainfo output for one of the movies with a problem, but
> I'm also now seeing the same problem with the Linux zoom client where the
> entire computer becomes sluggish and unusable.
> >
> > https://pastebin.com/7rxunmYu
> >
> > This happens when playing through Kodi or vlc.
> >
> > > Did 4k the sluggish 4K videos play smoothly in the past?.
> >
> > Yes. This happened after a fc37 to fc38 upgrade some weeks ago. I've
> also installed all the latest updates since. Sorry I didn't mention this
> sooner, ugh.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> >
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Solved: Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 07:18:54 -0700
stan via users  wrote:

> When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
> would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
> communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
> call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
> useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
> over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
> having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
> has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.

Inspired by the responses here that allowed me to understand what I was
searching for, I eventually found a program called scrcpy.

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/

It allows a linux desktop attached to a phone, either via usb or tcpip,
to control the phone.

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/blob/master/doc/linux.md

It is packaged for fedora in copr, so not an official package, but can
be installed with

dnf copr enable zeno/scrcpy && dnf install scrcpy

I haven't fully explored or used it yet, but it sounds like I can use
the phone to make and receive calls and texts on the desktop directly.

I still have to investigate XMPP and VOIP in more depth, and might
bypass using the phone completely if I use one of them as the desktop
access method.  Probably safer, since there are then two methods of
making phone calls and texts.  As usual, redundancy / insurance costs a
little more since I pay for a phone solution that I otherwise wouldn't.
If I go to 5G for the internet connection, I will also keep the
redundancy of at least one phone, and possible one of either VOIP or
XMPP.

The options are determined, I at least understand what they are, if
not all about them.  Now I just have to decide.

Thanks everyone.
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Re: How do I stop this malware

[Roger Heflin]

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 1:11 PM Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
>
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023, George N. White III wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 11:19?AM Michael Hennebry <
> > henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
>
> > This is trying to cure the disease by eliminating a symptom.  You don't
> > know what is
> > happening behind that full screen.
>
> Going fullscreen is part if what makes
> it hard to even try to make it go away.
>
> The malware does three things:
> 1. It shows an image.
> 2. It goes fullscreen.
> 3. It disables buttons.
>
> Preventing 1 would seem a really bad idea.
> I'd like to prevent 2 or 3.

Did you try alt-tab to switch to another application (say a terminal)
to kill the tab from the command line?

I don't think the full screen trick inside firefox can stop that, and
I think I have hit a few of these half-assed websites before, but
alt-tab must have worked for me to bypass them and kill the tab.
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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

[Roger Heflin]

what does vainfo show?  You may need to install it.   You are looking
for something like below, I believe the main10 is what is needed for
your video.

 VAProfileHEVCMain   : VAEntrypointVLD
 VAProfileHEVCMain10 : VAEntrypointVLD

You may need to then confirm that your given video card supports those decoders.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:27 AM Alex  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> > I have a fedora38 desktop and having a problem playing 4k videos.
>> > When
>> > playing some videos, my entire system becomes sluggish and slow to
>> > respond,
>> > like the system is under extreme load or all resources are consumed
>> > by
>> > graphics rendering.
>> >
>> > This is the lspci info for my video card:
>> > 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
>> > [AMD/ATI]
>> > Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] (rev ef)
>> >
>> > CPU utilization doesn't appear to be a problem, so really have no
>> > idea why
>> > this is happening. Perhaps a missing codec? How do I control hardware
>> > rendering?
>> >
>> > What other information can I provide to help troubleshoot this?
>>
>> At a minimum, what video software is this, and what codec does the
>> video use? For the latter, use (e.g.) mediainfo to find out.
>
>
> Here's the mediainfo output for one of the movies with a problem, but I'm 
> also now seeing the same problem with the Linux zoom client where the entire 
> computer becomes sluggish and unusable.
>
> https://pastebin.com/7rxunmYu
>
> This happens when playing through Kodi or vlc.
>
> > Did 4k the sluggish 4K videos play smoothly in the past?.
>
> Yes. This happened after a fc37 to fc38 upgrade some weeks ago. I've also 
> installed all the latest updates since. Sorry I didn't mention this sooner, 
> ugh.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 11:29 AM, stan via users wrote:

I don't know that.  But, Adam said that this was working in F36, so you
might be able to install the F36 live iso, and then upgrade to F38.
F36 only went EOL a few months ago, so everything should still be
functioning, low bit rot.


This reminds me that when I first bought this laptop I installed F35 on 
it, which will tell you how old it is.  I know that version's safe, and 
I can go 35->37, then wait a bit and go right to 39.

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Re: How do I stop this malware

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 12:10 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:


Going fullscreen is part if what makes
it hard to even try to make it go away.


It sounds like you may need an indirect approach.  Can you get to a 
different virtual console?  If so, you may be able to find and kill the 
malware using top.  If not, try killing the browser and seeing what else 
goes away.  And, there's nothing wrong with treating a disease (which 
this is) by treating the symptoms; that's the classic way of treating 
cholera: the infection itself isn't what does you in, it's the 
dehydration it causes.

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Re: Question regarding sudo and su

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 12:20 PM, old sixpack13 wrote:

KISS
bash history
CRTL+r and keyed in "ether" and ENTER

thanks anyway !


That works, of course, if the line you need to repeat is different every 
time.  If it's something you use all the time, either a one-liner 
script, or an alias in .bashrec might be better.

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Re: Question regarding sudo and su

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> On 10/03/2023 03:35 PM, old sixpack13 wrote:
> 
> If you're using that exact same command often enough, create an alias 
> for it and put it into your .bashrc.  That way, you not only save 
> keystrokes, you avoid typoes.

KISS
bash history
CRTL+r and keyed in "ether" and ENTER

thanks anyway !
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Re: How do I stop this malware

[Michael Hennebry]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2023, George N. White III wrote:


On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 11:19?AM Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:



This is trying to cure the disease by eliminating a symptom.  You don't
know what is
happening behind that full screen.


Going fullscreen is part if what makes
it hard to even try to make it go away.

The malware does three things:
1. It shows an image.
2. It goes fullscreen.
3. It disables buttons.

Preventing 1 would seem a really bad idea.
I'd like to prevent 2 or 3.

--
Michael   henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu
"Occasionally irrational explanations are required"  --  Luke Roman
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Re: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 10:47:40 -0700
Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 2023-10-05 07:26, stan via users wrote:
> > VOIP has been around for a while, so I am thinking it has to be
> > mature. Is it possible to just install a package and then call
> > standard phone numbers over the web from fedora?  I'm not really
> > interested in video calls, just voice, but if the best service also
> > is video, well, so it goes. Is anyone using it, and has tips to
> > offer?
> > 
> > When I searched, the most recommeded packages didn't seem to be
> > available in the fedora repositories.  One I remember was jitsi.  I
> > assume it isn't popular enough to be packaged, or there is some
> > other method of getting it.  
> 
> I use linphone for a couple of users that don't have network plugs
> for a hard phone.  But I also run an asterisk system that talks to a
> voip provider "voip.ms".  If you want to talk to real phone numbers,
> at some point you need to have an endpoint that interfaces to the
> telecom system and I don't know of any free ones.  They're really
> cheap though.

Thanks, good info for someone like me who is naive in this area.
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Re: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 2023-10-05 07:26, stan via users wrote:

VOIP has been around for a while, so I am thinking it has to be mature.
Is it possible to just install a package and then call standard phone
numbers over the web from fedora?  I'm not really interested in video
calls, just voice, but if the best service also is video, well, so it
goes. Is anyone using it, and has tips to offer?

When I searched, the most recommeded packages didn't seem to be
available in the fedora repositories.  One I remember was jitsi.  I
assume it isn't popular enough to be packaged, or there is some other
method of getting it.


I use linphone for a couple of users that don't have network plugs for a 
hard phone.  But I also run an asterisk system that talks to a voip 
provider "voip.ms".  If you want to talk to real phone numbers, at some 
point you need to have an endpoint that interfaces to the telecom system 
and I don't know of any free ones.  They're really cheap though.

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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 10:10:40 -0600
Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 10/05/2023 08:51 AM, stan via users wrote:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2181989
> > 
> > Basically anaconda/dracut's iso-scan/filename= has been broken since
> > Fedora 37 included, and is still broken in Fedora 39 Beta, meaning
> > the Live iso can't be booted from a USB stick using grub and its
> > loopback mount feature (which is super nifty and useful!).  
> 
> Thanx!  I've added myself to the CC list and gave a comment
> describing my symptoms.  If you know what the most recent working
> version is, I'll install it and gradually upgrade to the present,
> rather wait for them to fix the bug.

I don't know that.  But, Adam said that this was working in F36, so you
might be able to install the F36 live iso, and then upgrade to F38.
F36 only went EOL a few months ago, so everything should still be
functioning, low bit rot.

That said, I'm not sure that this is actually your problem.  It sure
sounds like it, but the loopback qualification gives me pause.
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 07:18:54 -0700
stan via users  wrote:

> When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
> would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
> communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
> call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
> useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
> over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
> having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
> has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.

I'm not alone.  Here is another person trying to do this, though
without a good resolution.

https://forums.puri.sm/t/using-a-linux-desktop-as-a-phone/11051/7
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 07:18:54 -0700
stan via users  wrote:

> When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
> would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
> communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
> call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
> useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
> over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
> having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
> has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.

So, this link is old but promising.  The OP wanted to do exactly what
I want to do.  It sounds like it wasn't easy to do at that time, though
there were solutions.  I really don't want to use Google voice if I can
help it. Or bluetooth, though that is local, so more acceptable.  I am
concerned about the mention of security holes for bluetooth.

https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/39886/answer-phone-calls-directly-from-computer-linux

There is something to do this in windows.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/make-and-receive-phone-calls-from-your-pc-21564230-abf6-f2bb-c7b7-1b15570662f5
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/introducing-microsoft-phone-link-and-link-to-windows-2e4bb4c0-f99a-4464-92a8-5264c7c39734

What I think I can glean from these pages, is that it requires software
on both the phone and the pc.
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Re: 4k video playback on some videos makes entire system sluggish

[Alex]

Hi,

> I have a fedora38 desktop and having a problem playing 4k videos.
> > When
> > playing some videos, my entire system becomes sluggish and slow to
> > respond,
> > like the system is under extreme load or all resources are consumed
> > by
> > graphics rendering.
> >
> > This is the lspci info for my video card:
> > 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
> > [AMD/ATI]
> > Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] (rev ef)
> >
> > CPU utilization doesn't appear to be a problem, so really have no
> > idea why
> > this is happening. Perhaps a missing codec? How do I control hardware
> > rendering?
> >
> > What other information can I provide to help troubleshoot this?
>
> At a minimum, what video software is this, and what codec does the
> video use? For the latter, use (e.g.) mediainfo to find out.
>

Here's the mediainfo output for one of the movies with a problem, but I'm
also now seeing the same problem with the Linux zoom client where the
entire computer becomes sluggish and unusable.

https://pastebin.com/7rxunmYu

This happens when playing through Kodi or vlc.

> Did 4k the sluggish 4K videos play smoothly in the past?.

Yes. This happened after a fc37 to fc38 upgrade some weeks ago. I've also
installed all the latest updates since. Sorry I didn't mention this sooner,
ugh.

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 02:07:54 +1030
Tim via users  wrote:

> On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 08:07 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> > OK, I saw mention of asterisk in the results I found, but I have no
> > idea what a 4G or 5G usb-stick is.  Is that something like what
> > Javier mentioned, an addon that creates a local hotspot?  I can
> > already access the web from my phone via the wireless on my ISP
> > modem.  Is that the same?  
> 
> A 4G/5G usb-stick is essentially a mobile phone modem in the USB
> stick. So, similar to connecting your computer to your phone and
> using your phone as a modem.

Is that what is called 'tethering'?  That is, does it give two way
access to the phone, so photos and such can be downloaded from the
phone to the PC?  When I followed Javier's link, 
https://www.amazon.com/Eboxer-Portable-Computer-Wireless-Receiver/dp/B07L5QMPJW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1VSGW5NK6KRT7=4g+modem+card+for+pc=1696516076=4g+modem+card+for+pc%2Caps%2C209=8-3
it seemed to suggest that it was possible to surf the web without using
a 'sim'. I don't see how that is possible.  Wouldn't the cell provider
be checking if the user had authorization to use the cell data network,
and be metering the data flow?  Or is that saying that the usb-stick
doesn't need a 'sim', and that the computer is using the cell phone
'sim'?  The price is reasonable to gain access to the phone, at least.

> However... there's always a "but."
> 
> You may find that using your phone it gives you limited access to the
> cellular network.  That's all going to depend on your particular
> phone.
> 
> And conversely, you may have to hunt around to find a USB stick modem
> that's compatible with Fedora.

Good caveats to keep in mind.

> Asterisk is a full blown computerised version of an office PABX, you
> may find yourself in a configuration minefield if all you wanted was
> voice calling.  Though it may be your best option if you simply want
> to be able to call any other phone as if you were using a phone.

I can't be the only one who would want to use it in minimal mode.
Maybe, since my use case is so simple, I could just use the default
configuration, and ignore all the other bells and whistles.
 
> If you just want to call particular friends, and didn't actually have
> to be a phone call, Skype and Zoom are options (they only call other
> Skype or Zoom accounts, as far as I know, Skype may have had a pay for
> real phone calls option).  They can do voice-only calls as well as
> video chat.

The xmpp solution that murph pointed me to seems like it would work
just great for my needs.  A little cautious because of unfamiliarity,
but the faq page seems to make that clear.  I like that it is open
source code, even if there is a monthly charge for the infrastructure.
The charge is low, it might even make sense to have it as a backup for
the smartphone all the time, rather than replacing it.

> Thankfully, here, we've finally got to the stage where mobile phones
> don't cost you an arm and a leg to speak to someone in call and
> monthly charges.  It's put landlines and payphones to death, now it's
> virtually only organisations with staff still using landlines.

Same thing happening here, the POTS providers see a steady erosion in
their land line user base over time.
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 04:59 AM, George N. White III wrote:


You posted "F12 gets me to BIOS.  If I do, it goes right to the grub 
prompt".

So that no longer works?  Unless you made changes to the BIOS settings,
this indicates a hardware problem. How good is the battery?  A very old 
battery may

cause problems even when running with the power adapter connected.


As I've written many times, F12 only gets me to the BIOS if the drive's 
not inserted.  And, the laptop's only about two, maybe three years old 
at most.

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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 08:51 AM, stan via users wrote:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2181989

Basically anaconda/dracut's iso-scan/filename= has been broken since
Fedora 37 included, and is still broken in Fedora 39 Beta, meaning the
Live iso can't be booted from a USB stick using grub and its loopback
mount feature (which is super nifty and useful!).


Thanx!  I've added myself to the CC list and gave a comment describing 
my symptoms.  If you know what the most recent working version is, I'll 
install it and gradually upgrade to the present, rather wait for them to 
fix the bug.

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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 08:39 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:


But I'd try to keep things as simple as possible, and in your case I'd
try to simply recreate the LiveFedora on the USB drive again, from
scratch, and then see what happens: it makes no sense to run around in
circles and guess again and again.


I've already done that, but thanx for the suggestion.  I'm going to be 
busy today, but I'll try it with a different drive, fresh out of the 
package.  And, the only tech shop in town will be open tonight so I'll 
take it back there and see what they say.

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Re: Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:48:55 -0400
Terry Polzin  wrote:

> I am running T-mobile 5G supporting W10, multiple Fedora machines,
> streaming video on smart TVs all at once.
> No issues for the most part.

I guess this goes under the kudos column, sounds like a very positive
experience.  Thanks.
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/05/2023 08:39 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:

Actually that looks like the hardware, your flash thumb, might be
fine: it seems grub just can't go any farther than offering the grub
prompt, from what-ever reason. But I see reason for optimism regarding
your USB device ..


My desktop didn't go right to the grub prompt, it gave me a menu first, 
but ended up at the prompt.  Any explanation that doesn't include that, 
or the fact that the laptop booted OK at the shop can't be right.

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Re: Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2023 16:45:59 +0100
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> I know a few people that are using 5G mobile equipment for their
> internet access, all of them have a 5G SIM in their router. Most find
> it just works but they sometimes complain of slowdown after the
> children finish school up about 9 .. 10pm.

Thanks.
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Re: Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

[Terry Polzin]

I am running T-mobile 5G supporting W10, multiple Fedora machines,
streaming video on smart TVs all at once.
No issues for the most part.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:46 AM Andrew Pearce  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I know a few people that are using 5G mobile equipment for their internet
> access, all of them have a 5G SIM in their router. Most find it just works
> but they sometimes complain of slowdown after the children finish school up
> about 9 .. 10pm.
>
> Regards
>
> Andrew
>
> On 5 October 2023 16:15:58 stan via users 
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> I recently received an offer from T-mobile to use their 5G network as
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>> with them, but the price and speed for internet was competitive.  Has
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>> stories or kudos?  The main drawback I could see was that it was a lot
>> like early cable, where the bandwidth depended on the number of users
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Re: Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

[Andrew Pearce]

Hi

I know a few people that are using 5G mobile equipment for their internet 
access, all of them have a 5G SIM in their router. Most find it just works 
but they sometimes complain of slowdown after the children finish school up 
about 9 .. 10pm.


Regards

Andrew

On 5 October 2023 16:15:58 stan via users  
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I recently received an offer from T-mobile to use their 5G network as
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stories or kudos?  The main drawback I could see was that it was a lot
like early cable, where the bandwidth depended on the number of users
on your branch. If it was just me, I have the whole pipe, and it would
be awesome. Ten others and me, and not so hot as we shared the bandwidth
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2023-10-06 at 02:07 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> If you just want to call particular friends, and didn't actually have
> to be a phone call, Skype and Zoom are options (they only call other
> Skype or Zoom accounts, as far as I know, Skype may have had a pay
> for
> real phone calls option).  They can do voice-only calls as well as
> video chat.

Skype can call phone numbers. I've occasionally used it to make
international calls to my US bank.

poc
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[Tim via users]

On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 08:07 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> OK, I saw mention of asterisk in the results I found, but I have no
> idea what a 4G or 5G usb-stick is.  Is that something like what Javier
> mentioned, an addon that creates a local hotspot?  I can already access
> the web from my phone via the wireless on my ISP modem.  Is that the
> same?

A 4G/5G usb-stick is essentially a mobile phone modem in the USB stick.
So, similar to connecting your computer to your phone and using your
phone as a modem.

However... there's always a "but."

You may find that using your phone it gives you limited access to the
cellular network.  That's all going to depend on your particular phone.

And conversely, you may have to hunt around to find a USB stick modem
that's compatible with Fedora.

Asterisk is a full blown computerised version of an office PABX, you
may find yourself in a configuration minefield if all you wanted was
voice calling.  Though it may be your best option if you simply want to
be able to call any other phone as if you were using a phone.

If you just want to call particular friends, and didn't actually have
to be a phone call, Skype and Zoom are options (they only call other
Skype or Zoom accounts, as far as I know, Skype may have had a pay for
real phone calls option).  They can do voice-only calls as well as
video chat.

Thankfully, here, we've finally got to the stage where mobile phones
don't cost you an arm and a leg to speak to someone in call and monthly
charges.  It's put landlines and payphones to death, now it's virtually
only organisations with staff still using landlines.
 
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Re: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 11:13:49 -0400
murph nj  wrote:

> If you want to make phone calls to regular phones, you need something
> like a SIP service. (Which I know little about)

And I probably know less.  But this gives me a hint of what I'm
searching for.

> A more simple alternative, if you look into https://jmp.chat they
> have a free-software-friendly service that allows phone calls and SMS
> over XMPP which might prove easier to set up.  (This is a paid
> service, but telecom services cost money, so there's probably no easy
> way around paying someone, somewhere.)

Thanks, that looks interesting, like having a private email domain.
Yeah, paying is probably going to be part of this.  What I was hoping
was that I could piggyback on my existing cell phone access.  It would
also provide a backup in case I lost my phone, or it went wonky.

The 5G thing I mentioned in another email spurred me to examine whether
I am organizing my access to internet and phone properly.  So, I'm
looking at the alternatives.
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Anyone using 5G as their internet access method?

[stan via users]

I recently received an offer from T-mobile to use their 5G network as
my main internet access.  It was contingent on a contract for phone
with them, but the price and speed for internet was competitive.  Has
anyone done this using fedora, or I suppose, any other system?  Horror
stories or kudos?  The main drawback I could see was that it was a lot
like early cable, where the bandwidth depended on the number of users
on your branch. If it was just me, I have the whole pipe, and it would
be awesome. Ten others and me, and not so hot as we shared the bandwidth
among us.
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Re: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

[murph nj]

If you want to make phone calls to regular phones, you need something like
a SIP service. (Which I know little about)

A more simple alternative, if you look into https://jmp.chat they have a
free-software-friendly service that allows phone calls and SMS over XMPP
which might prove easier to set up.  (This is a paid service, but telecom
services cost money, so there's probably no easy way around paying someone,
somewhere.)



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users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:35:32 +
>  wrote:
>
> > In the good-ol' days when i ran centos, it was (indeed) Jitsi-client
> > (not jitsi-meet), Ekiga, or linphone. But it sounds that you're not
> > looking for a real client, but an webrtc package...
>
> Actually, I think I am looking for a voip client.  I'm a noob in this,
> so I'm not even sure that I can make that claim, but I think I can.  I
> don't think I'm looking for webrtc, as that is text based, isn't it.  I
> want to be able to make calls to telephone numbers via my PC.  I would
> use a headset with headphones and mic, and talk as if I was on a phone.
> I assume there would be some numberpad interface, call log, and contact
> list, just like on a smartphone.
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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:30:52 +
 wrote:

> It is defitely more "than just plu-in a card"
> But deploying Asterisk, with a 4G or 5G usb-stick would do the trick.

OK, I saw mention of asterisk in the results I found, but I have no
idea what a 4G or 5G usb-stick is.  Is that something like what Javier
mentioned, an addon that creates a local hotspot?  I can already access
the web from my phone via the wireless on my ISP modem.  Is that the
same?
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Re: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

[stan via users]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:35:32 +
 wrote:

> In the good-ol' days when i ran centos, it was (indeed) Jitsi-client
> (not jitsi-meet), Ekiga, or linphone. But it sounds that you're not
> looking for a real client, but an webrtc package...

Actually, I think I am looking for a voip client.  I'm a noob in this,
so I'm not even sure that I can make that claim, but I think I can.  I
don't think I'm looking for webrtc, as that is text based, isn't it.  I
want to be able to make calls to telephone numbers via my PC.  I would
use a headset with headphones and mic, and talk as if I was on a phone.
I assume there would be some numberpad interface, call log, and contact
list, just like on a smartphone.
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[stan via users]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 20:22:00 -0600
Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 10/04/2023 06:19 PM, George N. White III wrote:
> > You can get some information using the grub prompt.  First thing to
> > try is ls:
> > 
> > 
> >  

This might be related to what Joe is seeing. I see this message on the
devel list, suggesting there is a bug in the Fedora live USB boot.
Pasting because I'm not sure if forwarding is allowed on Fedora lists.
In the bugzilla, it looks like they have found the problem, and there
is a fix, so it might be working soon.

From: Matthias Saou 
To: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Live USB iso boot not working since Fedora 37, still broken in
39  Beta Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 22:23:46 +0200
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Hi,

I haven't posted here or been active with Fedora development in years
(sorry!), but I'm running into a blocker and don't know where else to
get help since the bugzilla ticket is silent and assigned to a struck
out address.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2181989

Basically anaconda/dracut's iso-scan/filename= has been broken since
Fedora 37 included, and is still broken in Fedora 39 Beta, meaning the
Live iso can't be booted from a USB stick using grub and its loopback
mount feature (which is super nifty and useful!).

Would anyone with deep enough knowledge of the installer be able to
help? It's very easy to reproduce with any "live usb iso boot" projects
such as my own https://github.com/thias/glim
All of Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Mint, Gentoo, etc. work fine, but Fedora
only works up to 36 and RHEL only up to 8 (RHEL 9 is also similarly
broken).

Cheers,
Matthias
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 04:37:55PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/04/2023 03:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Unless I missed it, I don't think you've mentioned the laptop brand and
model, which might give a clue to someone reading this.



Gateway, model GWTN156-78K
[  ]


Not the model above, but might be close to it:

GWTN156-7BL - the boot screen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH-LeOt2_4E
starting at ~ 9:40 mins.


If I don't have a flash drive inserted at boot, F12 gets me to BIOS.
If I do, it goes right to the grub prompt whatever I do.



Actually that looks like the hardware, your flash thumb, might be
fine: it seems grub just can't go any farther than offering the grub
prompt, from what-ever reason. But I see reason for optimism regarding
your USB device ..

So at this grub prompt: have you tried to hit the  key, and see
what happens, or typing 'help', then  ?

If this grub prompt offers you to self-check the LiveOS, I'd do that.

But I'd try to keep things as simple as possible, and in your case I'd
try to simply recreate the LiveFedora on the USB drive again, from
scratch, and then see what happens: it makes no sense to run around in
circles and guess again and again.

Again the instructions for the dd process:

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/creating-and-using-a-live-installation-image/index.html#_using_a_direct_write_method

Please be extremely careful with the 'of=/dev/sdX' part seen in the
instructions on the page above. If you choose to 'dd' the ISO to the
wrong '/dev/sdX', your desktop (or where-ever you try that) or better:
the OS on that machine might be gone in one second ...

To double-check you're dd-ing the correct drive you could simply type
'lsblk" at a prompt, before and after inserting the flash drive. Or a
little more verbose:

lsblk -o NAME,MODEL,LABEL,FSTYPE,FSVER,FSSIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,FSUSE%,MOUNTPOINTS

With the latter command you can also try to make sure no partitions on
the thumb drive are mounted, which seems to be important according to
the Fedora page above.

Good luck!

Wolfgang


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RE: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

[J.Witvliet--- via users]

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From: stan via users 
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Subject: Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

VOIP has been around for a while, so I am thinking it has to be mature.
Is it possible to just install a package and then call standard phone numbers 
over the web from fedora?  I'm not really interested in video calls, just 
voice, but if the best service also is video, well, so it goes. Is anyone using 
it, and has tips to offer?

When I searched, the most recommeded packages didn't seem to be available in 
the fedora repositories.  One I remember was jitsi.  I assume it isn't popular 
enough to be packaged, or there is some other method of getting it.

==

In the good-ol' days when i ran centos, it was (indeed) Jitsi-client (not 
jitsi-meet), Ekiga, or linphone.
But it sounds that you're not looking for a real client, but an webrtc 
package...

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RE: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[J.Witvliet--- via users]

See below

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From: stan via users 
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Subject: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make 
calls on a cellular network?

When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there would be 
a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to communicate with a 
cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can call using the desktop 
instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be useful for troubleshooting 
things like having trouble with a website over the phone with support.  Could 
do both on the desktop instead of having a phone and desktop, and switching.  
Maybe it is so niche, or has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.


It is defitely more "than just plu-in a card"
But deploying Asterisk, with a 4G or 5G usb-stick would do the trick.



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Re: Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[Javier Perez]

Like this?
https://www.amazon.com/Eboxer-Portable-Computer-Wireless-Receiver/dp/B07L5QMPJW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1VSGW5NK6KRT7=4g+modem+card+for+pc=1696516076=4g+modem+card+for+pc%2Caps%2C209=8-3

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023, 09:19 stan via users 
wrote:

> When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
> would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
> communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
> call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
> useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
> over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
> having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
> has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.
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Anyone have recommendations for using VOIP in fedora?

[stan via users]

VOIP has been around for a while, so I am thinking it has to be mature.
Is it possible to just install a package and then call standard phone
numbers over the web from fedora?  I'm not really interested in video
calls, just voice, but if the best service also is video, well, so it
goes. Is anyone using it, and has tips to offer?

When I searched, the most recommeded packages didn't seem to be
available in the fedora repositories.  One I remember was jitsi.  I
assume it isn't popular enough to be packaged, or there is some other
method of getting it.
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Anyone know of any cards or accessories that allow a desktop to make calls on a cellular network?

[stan via users]

When I searched for this, I came up empty.  I was thinking that there
would be a USB plugin device or a pcie card that allowed a desktop to
communicate with a cellular network.  Put a sim in it, and bingo, can
call using the desktop instead of the smartphone.  I think it would be
useful for troubleshooting things like having trouble with a website
over the phone with support.  Could do both on the desktop instead of
having a phone and desktop, and switching.  Maybe it is so niche, or
has such a small market, it just doesn't exist.
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[389-users] Re: err=19 in a BIND operation

[Thierry Bordaz]

On 10/5/23 14:58, Ciber Center wrote:

Hi team,

I'm getting an result err=19 in a BIND operation, Anyone knows why this can 
happen?

this is the connection trace

conn=2894185 fd=205 slot=205 connection from client_ip to server_ip
conn=2894185 op=0 BIND dn="uid=user1,o=applications,o=school,c=es" method=128 
version=3
conn=2894185 op=0 RESULT err=19 tag=97 nentries=0 etime=0.000494384
conn=2894185 op=1 UNBIND
conn=2894185 op=1 fd=205 closed - U1

I understood that error code 19 occurs only in MOD operations, is it correct?


I agree, err=19 (LDAP_CONSTRAINT_VIOLATION) is likely the consequence of 
an internal MOD during a BIND. I would guess password policy or account 
policy.


You may enable internal operation logging (core and plugins) with

**

replace: nsslapd-plugin-logging
nsslapd-plugin-logging: on
-
replace: nsslapd-accesslog-level
nsslapd-accesslog-level: 260
-
replace: nsslapd-auditlog-logging-enabled
nsslapd-auditlog-logging-enabled: on
-
replace: nsslapd-auditfaillog-logging-enabled
nsslapd-auditfaillog-logging-enabled: on

**



Thanks in advance.
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[389-users] err=19 in a BIND operation

[Ciber Center]

Hi team,

I'm getting an result err=19 in a BIND operation, Anyone knows why this can 
happen?

this is the connection trace

conn=2894185 fd=205 slot=205 connection from client_ip to server_ip
conn=2894185 op=0 BIND dn="uid=user1,o=applications,o=school,c=es" method=128 
version=3
conn=2894185 op=0 RESULT err=19 tag=97 nentries=0 etime=0.000494384
conn=2894185 op=1 UNBIND
conn=2894185 op=1 fd=205 closed - U1

I understood that error code 19 occurs only in MOD operations, is it correct?

Thanks in advance.
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Fedora 39 Upgrade Test Day is underway!

[Sumantro Mukherjee]

Hey All,

As we come closer to Fedora 39 release dates, it's time to test upgrades.
Fedora 39 has a lot of changesets and it becomes essential that we
test the graphical upgrade methods as well as the command line.
As a part of this test day[0], we will test upgrading from a full
updated, F37 and F38 to the F39 for all architectures(x86_64,ARM,aarch
64) and variants(WS,cloud,server,silverblue,IoT).

We understand that upgrade takes time and testing if things work as
expected, takes more.
We will be accepting results throughout the weekend!

The results can be submitted here[1]

As usual, we hang out on the #fedora-test-day, should you have questions.

[0] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2023-10-05_F39_Upgrade_Test_Day
[1] https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/158


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TRIED AND PERSONALLY TESTED, ERGO TRUSTED
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Re: Getting grub working on a LiveUSB

[George N. White III]

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:22 PM Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 10/04/2023 06:19 PM, George N. White III wrote:
> > You can get some information using the grub prompt.  First thing to try
> > is ls:
> >
> > 
>
> Yes, I learned that from the guide I linked to.  Alas, things are
> different enough that I haven't been able to get the drive to boot yet.
>

You posted "F12 gets me to BIOS.  If I do, it goes right to the grub
prompt".
So that no longer works?  Unless you made changes to the BIOS settings,
this indicates a hardware problem. How good is the battery?  A very old
battery may
cause problems even when running with the power adapter connected.

The first step in diagnosis would be careful measurement of voltages at key
points (maybe after checking for bulging electrolytic capacitors).
The only reason for attempting a diagnosis would be to confirm the
system is beyond economical repair.

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