Hello, I would be out of station for probably a month or more
Hello friends, I am going out station for probably one (or more time)I would miss this mailing listBut I would see the same when I would be back...I just want to wish all of you a new year! -- Reagards, AP -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > What you wrote has nothing to do with what you quoted. The OP has known to me now...Its over but my mean to say was that some people like "g" (who are without names), actually extend it to increase the flame of war. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm elysium"
And here I am sending this message from Firefox and using www.gmail.com. I don't know why it is a problem!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:40 AM, David wrote: > Ya'll have seen the AP is gone yet the thread goes on and on? :-) Because the name "g" is mental deficient. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is something wrong with email server?
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > So, you've got some homework to do. Figure out in which unusual way you > reply to messages from this mailing-list so that the "References:" and > "In-Reply-To:" headers are missing in your mails. At Google Mail, prefer > the Reply button, don't edit the subject. Sure, but I really just use Reply button. I never changed the subject but still that happened...is something amazing...Sitll I would do what you say with more caution. Ok. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is something wrong with email server?
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:00 PM, g wrote: > 'ap' is not _normal_. ;=) LOL, you yourself are not normal!! And you great name 'g'...lmao!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm elysium"
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:58 PM, g wrote: > yes, i am aware. You are not in aware of what you talk and say. Asking questions is not being a troll!! Further you yourself seem a troll. Annovira. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Garry T. Williams wrote: > As to why this guy among all the others here is posting broken > messages, I am betting g is correct. Man, you bet without any guarantee! There seems no logic. Asking questions and gaining from user's experiences counts, no more a troll!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is something wrong with email server?
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Yes, that's very likely. Which browser is it? Opera and Firefox both. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is something wrong with email server?
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Check this how this list's archive: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-November/thread.html > You can clearly see the breakage you are causing: All of your postings start > a new thread, i.e. replies of yours do not appear in the thread you are > replying to. Well thanks for posting this link. As a home user, I really don't know why is this happening...! I am myself amazed. What is the remedy then? (Just uses browser to send mails). Is it a browser's bug? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > Deliberate or not, it was at least interesting. If using a separate > client it can be quite easy, but that normally leaves a more apparent This mail really did the exact the same break of thread and appears in my Inbox as a separate mail, no clue of "why". -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Tim wrote: > And the headers are still missing. > What happens if you don't block scripting while you're doing this? > Enable it before you hit reply, type your reply, then send it. Scripting!! There is no additional add-on installed in Opera!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 10:31 AM, poma wrote: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg01470.html > This dude is obviously a spammer, and for you dgboles it seems to be a > rather enjoyable. > Good to know. So what? You can ask in different places to know the experiences and knowledge of different communities? I wonder on your thinking!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is something wrong with email server?
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > No, AP's replies don't contain any "References:" or "In-Reply-To:" > headers. I really don't know about it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:23 AM, David wrote: > Frankly I find it hard to comprehend just how the browser and any of > it's settings, would have any interaction with an email written on the > Gmail Web interface, or any email interface. I wonder to think this but I never earlier noted all this aspects. What and why would a browser would do anything with the users' personal email settings...? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:23 AM, David wrote: > https://www.box.com/shared/78msc32ktf0k6oed51wq Almost everything is technical -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > I think this is the right attitude, adblock, noscript etc. are things > you use to protect you online, not for protection of your emails. E.g. > it's your gmail account rather than the emails you're sending with it > that you are trying to protect in this situation. And using linux > doesn't give you any protection against things like > cross-site-scripting attacks or other on-line tricks even if it is > harder against classic malware, so it's still sensible to take care > out there. Oh well. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Tim wrote: > It's still missing the headers. Give the other browser a try, and we'll > see if that change things. Likewise, you could try changing some of the > privacy settings. Well, I am replying from Opera browser right now. > There's little point in trying to be extremely > private with email on a mailing list, you're posting in public with your > email address. Perhaps they give you choices for certain websites > against others (I'm only familiar with NoScript - it does let you > customise it). Well, my target is not to be private with email but only to be secured with Malware during online web surfing and nothing more. Even when I know that it is Linux, but using those addo-ons just block the malwares and viruses (if), they guarantee that -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > (I think, google do tend to change things). Yes. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Tim wrote: > Are you running some extra privacy options in your browser or gmail? > Are you actually using the "reply" function, or are you mistakenly > forwarding? I am using extra privacy options in the Firefox but not in Opera. Sometimes I use Opera also and other times Firefox. In Firefox, I am using the addons like NoScript, AdBlock Plus and Better Privacy. Yes, on the bottom of each mail I click "reply" to reply to an email but not the option of "forwarding". Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:54 AM, Tim wrote: > What happens when you break mail, in one way or another: Your replies > are not seen with the messages that they're related to. They get > missed, they get overlooked. It gets very hard to follow an ongoing > thread when all the messages in that thread are scattered randomly > amongst hundreds of other messages, especially when it's important to be > able to follow the progress of something along the thread (and no, > quoting the entire thread in each message is not the answer). Some > helpers will give up helping after finding it a pain to follow an > prolonged on-going conversation. Some will give up immediately. And if > this converstion was on traditional usenet, rather than an email list, > you'd be needing flameproof pants by now. ;-) Well, I agree but I simply reply in Firefox and by typing www.gmail.com and nothing else!! This is the only way I do. Once I log-in, I don't log-out ever (unless I have to check other gmail account also, which I rarely use) and even if I have to use PC in two-three days, I get directly Inbox because I didn't log out earlier! I know since I am using Linux and with the addons like No Script, this all is secured even when I am not logged out. But really I never thought such technical aspects which are written above! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Beartooth wrote: > Say you want Opera on an old machine that you haven't used for > some time. You go to a browser it does have, but for some reason the > default opera.com offers isn't what you want. You find what you do want, > and opera.com asks whether you want the x86 or the 64-wide version. > You don't happen to remember which one this machine is, nor an > easy way to check (like uname -a). So you just download one. > Rpm -ivh produces a bramble patch. > Being by now an old hand, you notice that all the missing > dependencies it announces are 64s. So you abort the install, go back to > opera.com, and get the .rpm for a 32-bit machine. That works, slick as a > whistle. > In this example you have not solved the dependency hell. You have > dodged it, partly by dumb luck (spotting those 64s), and partly by having > enough general experience to recognize what they mean. > A beginner who had gotten into it might easily've worked > herself through the brambles into an electronic lake of burning brimstone > before she hollered for help. Well, the issues gets generated when an external rpm is installed. But I guess the most common apps, e.g., Opera and the common apps must be there in the repos. Only some particular rpms which are not so common (or required for specific purpose(s)), can possibly create that problem. But in my view, end users won't use those typical apps which are not bundled in the DVD! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Tim wrote: > It doesn't require gmail to get messages threaded. Threading is done by > the message headers, each message has its own message ID, each reply has > another header saying which message ID it's in reply to, and there's > another header listing all the message IDs that belong in the same > thread. > The last one (in-reply-to) is used by mail clients to group all messages > in a thread together. The middle one (references) is used to thread > them all together in the right order. > Any mail client can do this. Any mail client can break this, and some > do, by not not adding in-reply-to headers, and not adding and > maintaining the references header. When they do that, they bugger it up > for everyone else, as the data has been lost. > Message threading is NOT done by whatever text is written in the subject > line. Though some broken clients think so. Some helpful clients will > try to use it, as well as threading headers, to fit in orphaned messages > into a thread (broken by other crappy clients), or to break apart a new > thread out of the middle of an existing one (when the subject line > changed). The latter not being a particularly good idea, either. > To see messages in their properly threaded order, one needs to use a > mail client that isn't broken in that regard (Evolution, Thunderbird, > and many others work), and pick the option that threads messages in the > message list window. > Conversely, one can unpick that option, and sort messages via some other > criteria - such as by "date," making a mess of the order of messages > (hint - the generational order of which message came first, is done by > what's a reply to what, not the date that it was read or written, dates > are coincidental, not relational). Thanks for taking time to explain this, I am re-reading to fully grasp it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM, g wrote: > On 11/23/2013 01:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > your postings thread and i am wondering you would post a new > "Subject:" relating to how you are using a gmail account and > still maintain threading. No, not like that. Read the following two lines he wrote: "Ok, enough drifting off topic from this side. ;)" and "Just posted it in a separate thread to stop hijacking this one. :)" If he might have wished to enlarge the same thread, he should have done it by explaining each and every point he mentioned but he wrote that!! Further it is Saturday today and tomorrow Sunday. May be some one is having fun in the week ends and then may start a new thread on Monday... I cannot finalize such things in such a short time and cannot conclude somebody's ways of thinking so easily.It is not necessarily true what we think is always right. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly annoying > me to select which profile I use, after pestering me for months to get a > Unified login, I said I don't want, (repeatedly) so now I have separate > profiles (identities, the one for Youtube with a nickname rather than my > real name,and that's the way I like it). > That's as far as I'd go. I completely resent Google's taking over of the > software landscape with their braindead user interfaces (Chrome), their > needless "inventions" (spdy protocol to replace http), their forking of Java > (Dalvik), and increasing Android dominant position in the mobile OS > landscape (I'd rather see Jolla's Sailfish OS win). Well this is true and sometimes I also feel the old compose option was better in Gmail. Google always tend/desire to do some/many alterations, even when the company knows that it could be disliked by the vast audiences. But it has a democratic win. At least search engine is excellent and there are more no. of android phones nowadays than others. Well, I stop this off-topic here itself. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > I for one use GMail for my email needs, and I'm as far from an e-mail noob > as you can get (started with Delphi on-line service in the late 1980s, then > moved to FidoNet style echomail boards, then moved to CompuServe, then to > pop-3 email, then to IMAP, and now I use web based GMail almost exclusively. > GMail serves me (and I guess most other people) because: > 1. It allows to access my account from anywhere (any machine on my LAN). > 2. I don't have to deal with local email backups (yes, I'm putting a lot of > faith in the cloud, albeit making a local backup is on my to-do list) > 3. I don't have to delete e-mail (I'm a data hoarder, I have every e-mail > received/sent from 2004 to this date, and it serves me well for research > purposes, often more than not, the answer is already in my GMail account) > 4. I pay Google for additional storage And with one account, you have entire Google from Youtube to Plus etc..etc...Google s the greatest search engine! This is fair enough to use Gmail even when one or two downsides exist. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> Exactly true. Its more like the analogy of cars. Some people prefer >> Ford, some Chevrolet, others like Mercedes-Benz better, but ultimately >> they all have an engine that runs on fuel. > A better analogy that involves cars needs some additional detail: Different > automakers put the driver's seat in different locations. Mercedes right > front, Ford right rear, Chevy on the luggage rack, Jaguar in the trunk, etc. Yeah, that's why different Linux -- Gentoo, Fedora, Slackware, openSUSE, Ubuntu, etc... > And I say that because package management is a viciously nasty user > experience. Once you've committed to learning one of them, you definitely > don't want to learn how to use another one - assuming, you know, you actually > have work to do rather than just screwing around with computers all day long, > learning mindnumbing estoteric b.s like package managers. > And fuel in this analogy, is the linux kernel. The only thing they have in > common is the kernel, which by all rights end users should be the least > interested in or interact with. > I would rather gut myself than learn another package management system, even > if I had the time. I just want a little icon to click on and maybe a button > that says Install, because I actually care to spend time using the > application I've gone to the effort to locate, rather than figuring out how > to install, remove, or update it. > I wonder how many thousands of man hours are consumed maintaining the > different packaging systems, and manually dealing with dependency conflict > resolution. It must be insane. I wonder even the life is short to learn so much types of things in Linux! Great!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: > Whenever you go "outside" the distribution and start picking up packages, be > they .deb or .rpm, you invite trouble with dependencies, especially if those > packages are not built for your particular release. Okay you mean especially when 3rd party software are installed. > Both Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu have very large repositories, and for Fedora, > RPM Fusion is very reliable for those bits that don't come with the > distribution itself, so I never experience "dependency hell." Ok, Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I think "g" was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood > his comments. Please, let's be polite to each other and not > insulting. My intention was not to handle someone with gloves but I don't understand why people consider it being a troll type mail. Well, I find the reason. It happens that when you are new to Linux, you often ask something which is pretty easy or might have been asked earlier. So what? This query must have been so common that I came to know it should not be asked but I had asked it actually. But again, does it really a matter of great worth or we are wasting time in this type of discussion? A general question from a newbie's mind is generally not that advanced. End users won't always ask what scripts are need for what purpose, they are more inclined towards the ease of use and especially with Linux and thus the same type of questions get generated in their mind. It is also possible, I get less time to have hands on Linux, so really it seems a bit more confusing...! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:21 PM, g wrote: [crap] > as in usage as a _noun_, which is defined at; This is really shameful to have people like you.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > Better/equal in precisely what? Well, now got the idea that work is being done very well in rpm distributions, so actually what I earlier asked, should not be asked. Anyways, I liked the rpm because at least all of my (noob's) work is smoothly done. Still I was curious only to know the people's view... Better/equal in the sense of the time it takes. Also, sometimes, when some (or more) unneeded packages reside in the system, even when they are not used but they rest in the hard-disk. Okay well, they don't take much capacity, so I let them sleep always. But this happens in rpm based distros which I came to know. >> ...or why did this bifurcation took place if the Linux is only the kernel...? > Because there are different distributions which all think that their > own package management system is most suited. There's more than one way to > do it... Oh I see. And this may be the same reason why even the typical distributions like Gentoo got evolved! > What kind of distribution somebody uses is a matter of taste, needs > and other more or less subjective factors, and the package manager is > a part of it. Exactly true. Its more like the analogy of cars. Some people prefer Ford, some Chevrolet, others like Mercedes-Benz better, but ultimately they all have an engine that runs on fuel. But I am happy with rpm now. I was a happy Fedora user and would eventually try it back, though currently running openSUSE 12.3 with the same happiness. I was even confused between the many distributions but came to understand the underneath strategy to install one and use it! I regret that I don't get much time to learn such a wonderful technology of Linux!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > yum didn't always exist. yum handles the dependencies between packages. Ok. > Before that, a lot of prayer was involved if you mixed rpm packages from > different sources. You mean from third party sources. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > What precisely are you asking for? Just wanted to know if rpm is better than apt or vice-versa or both are equal...or why did this bifurcation took place if the Linux is only the kernel...? Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Why some say "rpm hell"
Hello, Well I just heard a couple of guys saying "rpm hell". Now a days, when rpm works very well, still does it lag behind apt in some ways...? Thanks. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Mihamina RKTMB wrote: > Technically, > - making rpms are easier than making debs. Oh, okay. > - apt is NOT the equivalent of rpm, but the equivalent of yum Okay, I must have used that. > - You forgot the package management of Gentoo, Arch and so on on your troll Troll...? Asking a question makes you troll? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > Probably a reference to the very early days of RPM (pre-yum). You'd > install a package, then find some library was missing and go to install > that, which led to something else missing, etc. A few cycles of this and > you know what "dependency hell" means. Nowadays, with yum, all the > dependencies are pulled in automatically, so "rpm hell" is largely a > thing of the past. Okay got it. I don't think saying it is worthy nowadays. But for an end user this all won't matter anytime. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
