Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com wrote: In addition, you may wish to reference RFC 2822 which obsoletes RFC 822 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html -- Yes, that is clear. Okay, humble pie, yum yum, urp. I still think http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Starting_a_New_Subject could be improved, in that few who actually understand it would consciously violate it, but few who lack understanding would be enlightened by reading it. When you send in a new topic, do not start by replying to an existing message, but rather, start a new message to users@lists.fedoraproject.org. This keeps messages organized by thread, for people who like to use threads (on high-volume mailing lists like this one, threads can be a great convenience). maybe should be... When you send in a new topic, do not start by replying to an existing message, but rather, start a new message to 'users@lists.fedoraproject.org'. The 'reply' feature adds headers to an email that will identify it as being part of the same thread as the email to which it is replying, and that will cause confusion. A new topic should have not only a new subject but begin a new thread. Threads help many readers deal with the high volume of email flowing through lists like this one. Your cooperation allows your fellow readers to appreciate your contribution without technical hiccups. It's a bit long-winded. Hmmm. Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:39 PM, David Bartmess dingod...@edingo.netwrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? grep group name /etc/group e.g. grep wheel /etc/group -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 04/21/2010 06:39 AM, David Bartmess wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? By not hijacking treads. Don't take a message and change the subject. This is hijacking and breaks threads. Start a new message. Did I miss something? In what way does this qualify as hijacking? Off topic, maybe, ought to RTFM definitely, but hijack? Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: The message contains References: in the header which is used by real email clients (maybe not gmail) to sort messages in threads. Wow, if real clients thread together stuff with different subjects, I prefer the fakes. Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com wrote: Before saying stuff like wow and seeming so shocked and amazed, perhaps you should RTFM ? Sarcasm requires no manual. Dave -- You can quote me on that. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.comwrote: Relying on Subject for threading is fundamentally broken. This statement seems to imply that I said or think that same subject = same thread, or that this ought to be sufficient. Nope. But I was surprised to learn that !(different subject = different thread). I guess when it comes to email etiquette, nothing should surprise me. Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com wrote: Threading is normally down by the message headers and not by the subject. Before saying stuff like wow and seeming so shocked and amazed, perhaps you should RTFM ? So I did. I was again surprised to find that RFC822 never mentions threads. References are references, In-Reply-To is In-Reply-To and while a client is free to make additional assumptions, the assumptions don't become part of the standard, no matter how popular they become. Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong standard? I was expecting that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Starting_a_New_Subject would make it clear that, whatever the standard may allow, this list assumes clients treat in-reply-to as equivalent to threads. Close, but no superglue. Looks to me - if you're one of the persons offended by hijacking, you know just what that page is talking about. However, if you're one of the unwashed (don't use 'real' client), trying to understand what the problem is, ... not much help. Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: To upgrade or to change to a more 'stable' distrobution
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Seann Clark nombran...@tsukinokage.netwrote: All, I am polling for options on some of my servers. I have two that are out of date now, one sorely out of date (using Fedora 8) and I am wondering what the best path to upgrading that would be. I would go over to CentOs on it, but I don't know how stable the move out be or what the level of effort would be on that, so I am polling for answers. Seems like it depends a lot on what your servers do. I switched some of my boxes from fedora to centos because fedora support for old versions goes dark too soon for me. I am happy, centos is close enough to fedora for me to know my way around, and the few things that are different can be overcome fairly easily. But so far I've only done fresh installs for new boxes, haven't tried to deal with an old LVM or existing service that has to migrate. cents=2 Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
