Re: Strange laptop behavior #2
On Friday, August 23, 2024 5:53:53 PM EDT Paolo Galtieri wrote: > I previously sent a message regarding my laptop powering off > unexpectedly. Here is an update. Power came back on, but I cannot > login to my laptop. When I try to login to the mate gui it replies > with power failure and authentication failure. Try removing the /etc/nologin file (as root, of course). -- Garry T. Williams -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Can't Boot 6.8.* Kernels
On Sunday, May 26, 2024 1:57:04 PM EDT Barry Scott wrote: > > > On 26 May 2024, at 16:26, Garry T. Williams wrote: > > The last good > > kernel on the problem system is 6.7.10-200.fc39.x86_64. > > Does the 6.9 kernel work? No. (Koji only had f40 -- I did try it on this f39.) > Boot the system and pause in grub. > Try removing rhgb and quiet options from the kernel command line by > edit it in grub. This was the problem. I added a console boot parameter trying to get a serial port to work on this headless system. Once I removed that, my temporary display and keyboard showed the error messages. The error is drops into emergency mode with "Failed to start initrd-switch-root.service". Now to troubleshoot that. Thank you for the help that set me on the right path! -- Garry T. Williams -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Can't Boot 6.8.* Kernels
On Sunday, May 26, 2024 11:22:42 AM EDT Garry T. Williams wrote: [snip] > The last kernel that will boot on this system is > 6.8.10-300.fc40.x86_64. I have two other Fedora systems that do not Oops. That was copied/pasted from the wrong system. The last good kernel on the problem system is 6.7.10-200.fc39.x86_64. -- Garry T. Williams -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Can't Boot 6.8.* Kernels
I have one system that fails to boot any 6.8 kernel. The failure is that the boot sequence halts with a single message on the console: Booting `Fedora Linux (6.8.9-200.fc39.x86_64) 39 (KDE Plasma)' and the console cursor simply blinks two blank lines down from this message. The last kernel that will boot on this system is 6.8.10-300.fc40.x86_64. I have two other Fedora systems that do not have any problem booting the 6.8 kernels. This leads me to believe that something on this particular system is causing the problem. Any ideas? garry@vfr$ sudo dmidecode -t system [sudo] password for garry: # dmidecode 3.5 Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs. SMBIOS 3.0.0 present. Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes System Information Manufacturer: Dell Inc. Product Name: Precision Tower 3420 Version: Not Specified Serial Number: HQ83ND2 UUID: 4c4c4544-0051-3810-8033-c8c04f4e4432 Wake-up Type: Power Switch SKU Number: 06C7 Family: Precision Handle 0x0005, DMI type 12, 5 bytes System Configuration Options Option 1: Default string Handle 0x0006, DMI type 15, 35 bytes System Event Log Area Length: 4 bytes Header Start Offset: 0x Header Length: 2 bytes Data Start Offset: 0x0002 Access Method: Indexed I/O, one 16-bit index port, one 8-bit data port Access Address: Index 0x046A, Data 0x046C Status: Invalid, Not Full Change Token: 0x Header Format: No Header Supported Log Type Descriptors: 6 Descriptor 1: End of log Data Format 1: OEM-specific Descriptor 2: End of log Data Format 2: OEM-specific Descriptor 3: End of log Data Format 3: OEM-specific Descriptor 4: End of log Data Format 4: OEM-specific Descriptor 5: End of log Data Format 5: OEM-specific Descriptor 6: End of log Data Format 6: OEM-specific Handle 0x0008, DMI type 32, 20 bytes System Boot Information Status: No errors detected garry@vfr$ sudo dmidecode -t bios # dmidecode 3.5 Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs. SMBIOS 3.0.0 present. Handle 0x, DMI type 0, 24 bytes BIOS Information Vendor: Dell Inc. Version: 2.15.0 Release Date: 03/25/2020 Address: 0xF Runtime Size: 64 kB ROM Size: 16 MB Characteristics: PCI is supported PNP is supported BIOS is upgradeable BIOS shadowing is allowed Boot from CD is supported Selectable boot is supported EDD is supported 5.25"/1.2 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h) 3.5"/720 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h) 3.5"/2.88 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h) Print screen service is supported (int 5h) 8042 keyboard services are supported (int 9h) Serial services are supported (int 14h) Printer services are supported (int 17h) ACPI is supported USB legacy is supported BIOS boot specification is supported Function key-initiated network boot is supported Targeted content distribution is supported UEFI is supported BIOS Revision: 2.15 Handle 0xF032, DMI type 13, 22 bytes BIOS Language Information Language Description Format: Long Installable Languages: 2 en|US|iso8859-1 Currently Installed Language: en|US|iso8859-1 -- Garry T. Williams -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: F39 Update: Yawn
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 4:53:00 PM EST George N. White III wrote: > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 5:18 PM Garry T. Williams > wrote: > > I updated three systems this morning without a hitch: headless server, > > laptop, and workstation. All Dell hardware. > > It would be useful to know roughly how old the systems are. OK, the oldest is the headless server and it's about eight years old. The laptop (xps-13) is about 4 years old and the workstation is about three years old. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
F39 Update: Yawn
On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 08:56:05 EST Matthew Miller wrote: > Fedora Linux 39 is now officially available. I updated three systems this morning without a hitch: headless server, laptop, and workstation. All Dell hardware. Thank you, Matthew and all of Fedora contributors! -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: ssh connection and selinux
On Sunday, August 13, 2023 5:23:51 PM EDT François Patte wrote: > Since I upgraded to f38 it is impossible to connect to a machine using > ssh rsa-key The RSA algorithm is considered too weak to be safe and has been disabled in the ssh program. The work-around if you cannot convert to, say, ECDSA keys, would be to re-enable RSA keys by adding this to your ~/.ssh/config file: PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes +ssh-rsa -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: kernel watchdog BUG
On Sunday, May 28, 2023 3:57:44 PM EDT Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Thanks! It is possible I do not have this set up because I get: > > $ sudo journalctl -b -1 -r /soft lockup > Specifying boot ID or boot offset has no effect, no persistent journal was > found. Just use sudo journalctl -b -1 -r THEN type / where is "soft lockup" or anything else you want to search for. But there really is no reason to use the -r option -- just search the last boot logs in the normal order. A lot less confusing. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: gthumb crash on startup and bugzilla reporting
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 4:24:03 PM EDT Jerry James wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:46 AM Max Pyziur wrote:
> > --- Running analyze_BodhiUpdates ---
> > Looking for similar problems in bugzilla
> > fatal: RPC failed at server. The API key you specified is invalid. Please
> > check that you typed it correctly.
> > abrt-action-find-bodhi-update [ERROR] Search for duplicate bugs failed:
> > None
> > ('analyze_BodhiUpdates' exited with 2)
> >
> > So, I would like to complete this process; I have bugzilla credentials; do
> > I apply them somewhere in this report? Or do I have to acquire other
> > credentials for this API?
>
> See this thread:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/IXNCGA3BB46ASNBEE6SVRGKJUMRC6E7U/
>
> Executive summary:
> - Visit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
> - Choose Preferences from the menu in the upper right hand corner
> - Choose "API Keys" from the Preferences sections near the top (5th
> from the left for me)
>
> That page has instructions on what to do next. Regards,
Jerry gave half of the ultimate solution. Yes, you need to request a
new API key. But the gnome-abrt program (Problem Reporting) must be
reconfigured to use the new key. That is a real pain because there
are maybe a dozen places that the various preferences contain that
value and I see no way to change it except to find all of them and
paste in the new key. This design is very unfriendly.
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Re: Missing Libraries
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 1:21:53 PM EDT Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/28/22 07:30, Garry T. Williams wrote: > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 6:32:10 PM EDT Samuel Sieb wrote: > >> On 8/27/22 15:14, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > >> It can be difficult to go from a link error to the required library. > > > > Try running ldd on compiled executable. > > If you get a link error, there is no compiled executable... Oh, he did say ld error. My mistake. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Missing Libraries
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 6:32:10 PM EDT Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/27/22 15:14, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > It can be difficult to go from a link error to the required library. Try running ldd on compiled executable. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for the old rc.local? - still an issue
On Monday, July 18, 2022 4:50:03 PM EDT Peter Boy wrote: > > Am 18.07.2022 um 22:18 schrieb Peter Boy : > > > > I got it finally working. > > After some tests: It isn’t. > > The programs I have to start depend on the existence of some > (virtual) network interfaces. rc.local is ordered after > network.target, which doesn’t mean, the network is functional then. > Therefore, the program start via rc.local is in indeterministic > process. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, sometimes only for some. You probably should (carefully) read this: https://systemd.io/NETWORK_ONLINE/ and then create a .service file to run whatever program you want to start at boot-time. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: A simple question
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 2:55:25 PM EDT Joe Zeff wrote: > Recently, my laptop died and I had to buy a new one. Now, I'd like > to take a look at what hardware is inside. I know that there used > to be a program to show you all of the hardware, but it's been so > long since I needed it that I can't remember its name. I'd > appreciate it if somebody could point me in the right direction. You might try sudo fpaste --sysinfo to see what it does. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: why are / and /home the same filesystem?
On Sunday, February 6, 2022 11:17:25 AM EST Paolo Galtieri wrote: > so why are / and /home the same device? In the past / and /home where > separate devices. You probably have / and /home on subvolumes of a btrfs file system. That is the current default configuration now. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F35 digikam
On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 4:10:17 PM EST Roger Wells wrote: > upgraded F34 -> F35 & digikam no longer runs. > From the CL: > digikam: symbol lookup error: /lib64/libspatialite.so.7: undefined > symbol: GEOSFrechetDistanceDensify /usr/lib64/libspatialite.so.7 is provided by libspatialite-5.0.1-8.fc35.x86_64, according to dnf. When I install that package, I can find the symbol GEOSFrechetDistanceDensify in the library with this command: $ nm -D /usr/lib64/libspatialite.so.7 Maybe you should install or upgrade package libspatialite? -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Struggling with systemd-oomd.service
On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 3:19:10 AM EST Ralf Corsépius wrote: > On all of my machines, I am seeing long sequences similar the logs: > > Dec 14 09:12:01 lewis systemd[1]: systemd-oomd.service: Scheduled restart > job, restart counter is at 384. > Dec 14 09:12:01 lewis systemd[1]: systemd-oomd.service: Failed with result > 'timeout'. > Dec 14 09:11:20 lewis systemd[1]: systemd-oomd.service: start operation timed > out. Terminating. > Dec 14 09:09:50 lewis systemd[1]: systemd-oomd.service: Scheduled restart > job, restart counter is at 383. > > Any ideas what this means and what to do about/against it? That service has Restart=on-failure defined, so that explains the message "Scheduled restart job, restart counter is at 383". The only clue to why it's failing is 'timeout'. Connecting to the bus is the only thing I can think of. No idea why. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: /var/tmp/flatpak
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 11:21:52 AM EST Patrick Dupre wrote: > systemctl list-timers > > yields: > > NEXTLEFT LAST PASSEDUNIT > ACTIVATES > Sun 2021-12-12 18:25:38 EET 5min left n/an/a > systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service > Sun 2021-12-12 19:12:00 EET 51min leftn/an/a > dnf-makecache.timer dnf-makecache.service > > > Why n/a ? Because you just rebooted this system? -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Problem with script
On Friday, November 19, 2021 1:04:44 PM EST Paul Smith wrote: > I am trying to run a script with the following command: > > echo "~/scripts/teste.sh" | at 5:59PM > > but nothing happens. That's because there is no tilde expansion inside of quotes. Lose the quotes and all will be well. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Expired Fedora Webpage Cert?
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 11:06:47 AM EDT John Mellor wrote: > Is it just me, No, it is not just you. > or is the web page cert expired this morning at > https://askbot.fedoraproject.org/ ? -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Scheduling sequential systemd tasks
On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 2:29:00 PM EDT John W. Himpel wrote: > I would like to run a task (TASKA) that updates some files at a > specified time each day. I already can do that successfully using > systemd timers and services. Upon completion of TASKA, I want to > run TASKB with is an rsync command to propagate any file changes > made in TASK A to other hosts. TASKA may run quickly or slowly, so > I don't want to use a timer for TASKB, rather I want TASKB to > execute upon the completion of TASKA. > > I can't seem to find the proper set of systemd options to set in the > service file for TASKB to cause it to run upon completion of TASKA. > Suggestions are welcome. Probably the easiest way is to specify Type=oneshot and supply two ExecStart= directives. The second will be executed *after* the first one exits *successfully*. This is analogous to ... /usr/bin/taska && /usr/bin/taskb inside a crontab entry. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Easiest way to move from BTRFS to EXT4 without losing data
On Monday, June 14, 2021 3:50:57 PM EDT Joe Zeff wrote: > On 6/14/21 1:12 PM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: > > I mean if I backup from BTRFS can I restore it into ext4 ? > > Your backup software neither knows nor cares how your filesystem is > formatted, so of course you can. Unless, of course, you're cloning the > partition, in which case a restore will overwrite the partition with the > original formatting. I'm pretty sure Chris was correct. You system is set up to boot from the btrfs file system -- not ext4. Changing the file system will result in needed changes in boot loader, fstab, etc. Restoring to an ext4 file system will not result in a bootable system. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: F33->F34: paps output has changed
On Friday, April 30, 2021 12:45:40 PM EDT Max Pyziur wrote: > I would be interested in suggestions from other paps users on their > preferred Heh. Never tried this program before. I always use a2ps instead. But... I tried --font="monospace 6" --columns=2 for code and it's very readable. Nicer than a2ps, if not as fancy. The font is denser or darker than a2ps (defaults). -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: auditd log processing tools?
On Friday, January 29, 2021 9:47:35 AM EST Greg Woods wrote: > I have personal experience with Gmail, where I used to be able > to highlight part of the message, and that was all that would be included > in my reply, but that no longer works; the entire message is included and I > have to manually trim it. Kmail has had this feature for many years. Indeed, that is how I obtained the above to reply to this message. :-) (Just say no to Web-based E-mail clients.) -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf error , rpm database damaged ???
On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 3:15:59 PM EST Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: > dnf info sendmail > error: SELECT hnum, idx FROM 'Providename' WHERE key=?: 11: database > disk image is malformed > error: SELECT hnum, idx FROM 'Providename' WHERE key=?: 11: database > disk image is malformed > Unable to detect release version (use '--releasever' to specify release > version) > Config error: [Errno 30] Αναγνώσιμο-μόνο σύστημα αρχείων: This is probably the clue. Google translate says that is "Readable-only file system". Something's wrong with the file system -- not the database file -- probably. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is the system call for time?
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 9:47:01 AM EST ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > What is the library that contains the call for the time / date? > > And what is the call's name? Use the docs, Luke: From time(2): NAME time - get time in seconds SYNOPSIS #include time_t time(time_t *tloc); -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Security Software Hack vs. Fedora
On Thursday, December 17, 2020 10:08:54 AM EST Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > I read that there has been a major security hack of at least two > companies, FireEye and SolarWinds, which supply security software > to the US Government and to major corporations. (see: > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/opinion/fireeye-solarwinds-russia-hack.html). > Does this have any effect on Fedora? Well, SolarWinds installs "agents" on servers to do their monitoring. So it is conceivable that their problem *could* be affecting Fedora systems. They use some pretty lame processes to do monitoring that require a program or programs to be installed as the root user. One program seems to fire off every second or two to sniff around and report. I do not know if the reported exposure extends to the agents installed on Linux systems, but we recently uninstalled all of that crap on our production Debian systems. (They are systems not exposed to the Internet, but still...) -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F33 BTRFS - Not enough swap space for hibernation [solved]
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 1:02:19 PM EST Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: > How would you verify if a file is CoW in BTRFS? It's not btrfs-specific, but use the lsattr(1) command. E.g., garry@gtw$ lsattr .local/share/akonadi/db_data/ibdata1 ---C .local/share/akonadi/db_data/ibdata1 garry@gtw$ -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE System Monitor Widget Problem after upgrade to Fedora-33
On Saturday, November 21, 2020 7:24:06 PM EST Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Th KDE System Monitor Widget does not display Network Speed. You might want to look at the Network Speed widget under Add Widgets. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Grub default kernel is oldest in Fedora 33
On Friday, October 30, 2020 11:09:45 AM EDT Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote: > I am running F33 and after install, I believe a newer linux kernel was > installed. Now when booting Grub shows two options of kernels to boot > from, namely: > > kernel-5.8.15-301.fc33.x86_64 > kernel-5.8.16-300.fc33.x86_64 > > However, the default (first highlighted) option is > kernel-5.8.16-300.fc33.x86_64, and I am currently booting from that. Is > that the behavior you would expect? Shouldn't I be booting from the most > up to date kernel installed? kernel-5.8.16-300.fc33.x86_64 > kernel-5.8.15-301.fc33.x86_64 -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Paste into GnuCash problem
On Monday, September 28, 2020 9:07:32 PM EDT Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 9/28/20 5:59 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > >> only 2 selection buffers. :-) > > > > There are four. > > > > :-) :-) > > Fine, you made me look it up. I was partially wrong. The used buffers > are CLIPBOARD and PRIMARY instead of PRIMARY and SECONDARY as I stated. > No one uses SECONDARY. So still only two used, but there is a third > that no one uses. Perhaps he was making a reference to a Star Trek TNG episode? (The smileys gave it away.) -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Reload kernel?
On Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:47:10 PM EDT Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2020-09-26 at 18:31 +, J.Witvliet--- via users wrote: > > This is exactly a selling item for SLES. > > Reloading the kernel without rebooting. > > A reference would be useful. https://lwn.net/Articles/775264/ leads to this reference, https://lwn.net/Kernel/Index/#Live_patching Live patching Ksplice: kernel patches without reboots (April 29, 2008) Ksplice and kreplace (November 24, 2008) Followups: performance counters, ksplice, and fsnotify (December 17, 2008) The initial kGraft submission (April 30, 2014) The first kpatch submission (May 7, 2014) A rough patch for live patching (February 25, 2015) Compile-time stack validation (September 30, 2015) Topics in live kernel patching (November 14, 2016) Live patching for CPU vulnerabilities (December 20, 2018) -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssh reverse tunnel as a service?
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:22:43 PM EDT Alex Regan wrote: > Hi, I have a fedora32 system behind a firewall without any access > from the outside. I'd like to build a reverse ssh tunnel so I can > get to it from my remote location while working remotely. I'm > familiar with how remote ssh tunnels work, but can't quite get > systemctl to create a proper service, presumably because ssh expects > to be tied to a terminal. You probably want -t: -t Force pseudo-terminal allocation. This can be used to execute arbitrary screen-based programs on a remote machine, which can be very useful, e.g. when implementing menu services. Multiple -t options force tty allocation, even if ssh has no local tty. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: nmcli and gateway question
On Monday, August 10, 2020 5:46:54 PM EDT Mike Wright wrote:
> alias gateways="ip route list | awk '/^default/ {print}'"
That is the same as
ip route list | grep ^default
In general,
... | awk '/foo/ {print}'
is equivalent to
... | grep foo
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Re: Abrt not working because retrace.fedoraproject.org is down for weeks?
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:18:42 PM EDT Clemens Eisserer wrote: > for quite some time (weeks/months) ABRT does not seem to work anymore, > because fedora retrace servers are down: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1762719 -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is Portal and pipewire and Why Did They Start?
On Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:34:00 AM EDT stan via users wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:45:54 -0400 > "Garry T. Williams" wrote: > > > I knew how to disable the modular repository, although I didn't get > > around to doing it on this new install until now. > > > > How do I shut off flatpak? > > > > (That seems to be the vector for this unwanted daemon.) > > I don't know. But, as it seems to be a Gnomism, I would suspect that > masking packagekit, the Gnome package manager, would do it. However, > that means that all updates have to be done with dnf, and you will no > longer get notices of updates in the Gnome desktop. That is, you lose > functionality. I don't use Gnome -- I run KDE. And I already erased PackageKit. I never let that run on my systems. On Saturday, July 18, 2020 12:44:03 PM EDT Tony Nelson wrote: > On July 18, 2020 11:45:54 AM EDT, "Garry T. Williams" > wrote: > > >How do I shut off flatpak? > > > >(That seems to be the vector for this unwanted daemon.) > > No, they were brought in a few days ago as weak deps of webkit2gtk3. I looked at the dnf logs and spotted this. Upgrading webkit2gtk3 caused flatpak to be installed (along with xdg-desktop-portal-kde): Installing weak dependencies: flatpak x86_64 1.6.4-1.fc32updates 1.5 M p11-kit-serverx86_64 0.23.20-1.fc32 fedora189 k xdg-desktop-portal-kdex86_64 5.18.5-2.fc32 updates 191 k I added excludepkgs to my dnf.conf file. Problem solved. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is Portal and pipewire and Why Did They Start?
On Friday, July 17, 2020 10:13:10 AM EDT stan via users wrote: > I think Gnome is moving to a multi update source model. They use > binary rpms, modules, and flatpaks. [snip] Apparently KDE, too. > Yes, that is why I have restricted all updates on my system to binary > rpm only. I'll wait to see how things shake out, but this new system > seems to leave conflicts in coverage, and opportunities for security > breakage. I knew how to disable the modular repository, although I didn't get around to doing it on this new install until now. How do I shut off flatpak? (That seems to be the vector for this unwanted daemon.) -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What is Portal and pipewire and Why Did They Start?
On Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:22:59 PM EDT stan via users wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 11:53:41 -0400 "Garry T. Williams" > wrote: > > A few weeks ago I installed F32-KDE fresh on a workstation (a disk > > drive failed). All of a sudden last night Portal service was > > started (whatever that is). I did nothing that I know of to > > trigger this. Furthermore, since updating after installing this > > system, that service has never been started until now. > > > > Directly after the Portal service started, I see error messages > > coming from pipewire (whatever that is). > > xdg-desktop-portal.x86_64 : Portal frontend service to flatpak > > Summary : Media Sharing Server > Description : > PipeWire is a multimedia server for Linux and other Unix like operating > systems. Thank you, Stan. Of course, those descriptions do very little to allow me to understand what this stuff is. Web searches (which I did do after seeing the log messages) indicate that this stuff is about *sharing* desktops. I cannot imagine why this stuff starts up a little after midnight local time, when I did not do anything to indicate that I wanted to share my desktop. And with whom?! Very strange, indeed. > > Can anyone tell me what this is all about and why it happens now? > > I don't know for sure, but it looks like Portal monitors sites (like > flathub) on the web, and when there are updates, launches itself and > pipewire. There is probably a default conf file somewhere that > controls its behavior. Hmmm. I used to be in charge of what got updated and when it got updated on my own machine. You indicate that there's another path with which to install software that I am no longer in charge of. That's alarming. Especially since I didn't ask for it. > Since it is a systemd service (from your output), you should be able > to mask it if you never want it to run. That will probably take > care of pipewire starting as well. I knew how to do do that, but thank you. I went one better and simply removed those two packages from my system. If, for any reason it turns out I later need them, I can reinstall them. Erasing xdg-desktop-portal offered to erase a bunch of leaves no longer needed, including flatpak. My system's 150 MB smaller now. :-) > It seems that a lot of dependencies were not installed with it, as > all the failures attest. If you want to use it, you should probably > reinstall it so the necessary dependencies for it to function are > pulled in. Well, there's the odd thing, isn't it. Before, dnf would always solve dependencies and install them when a package was installed. Now there seems to be another path used for software installation and it doesn't know how to handle dependencies. I don't guess I need this stuff, for sure. Thanks again for the reply. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
What is Portal and pipewire and Why Did They Start?
A few weeks ago I installed F32-KDE fresh on a workstation (a disk drive failed). All of a sudden last night Portal service was started (whatever that is). I did nothing that I know of to trigger this. Furthermore, since updating after installing this system, that service has never been started until now. Directly after the Portal service started, I see error messages coming from pipewire (whatever that is). Can anyone tell me what this is all about and why it happens now? (I'm especially concerned about why it started.) Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Starting Portal service... Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Starting flatpak document portal service... Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Starting sandboxed app permission store... Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Started sandboxed app permission store. Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Started flatpak document portal service. Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Starting Portal service (GTK+/GNOME implementation)... Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Started Portal service (GTK+/GNOME implementation). Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Created slice dbus\x2d:1.2\x2dorg.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.kde.slice. Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Started dbus-:1.2-org.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.kde@0.service. Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Started Multimedia Service. Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Created slice dbus\x2d:1.2\x2dorg.freedesktop.secrets.slice. Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Started dbus-:1.2-org.freedesktop.secrets@0.service. Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr rtkit-daemon[910]: Successfully made thread 199490 of process 199489 (/usr/bin/pipewire) owned by '1000' RT at priority 20. Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr gnome-keyring-daemon[199496]: couldn't access control socket: /run/user/1000/keyring/control: No such file or directory Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr gnome-keyring-d[199496]: couldn't access control socket: /run/user/1000/keyring/control: No such file or directory Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr systemd[1168]: Started Portal service. Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199489]: [E][000458567.198429][pipewire.c:118 open_plugin()] can't load /usr/lib64/spa-0.2/jack/libspa-jack.so: /usr/lib64/spa-0.2/jack/libspa-jack.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199489]: [E][000458567.198439][pipewire.c:254 pw_load_spa_handle()] can't load 'jack/libspa-jack': No such file or directory Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199489]: [E][000458567.198442][spa-device.c:144 pw_spa_device_load()] can't load device handle: No such file or directory Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199489]: [E][000458567.198444][module-device-factory.c:167 create_object()] can't create device: No such file or directory Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199489]: [E][000458567.198446][private.h:241 pw_core_resource_errorv()] resource 0x563498cde520: id:4 seq:4 res:-2 (No such file or directory) msg:"can't create device: No such file or directory" Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199492]: [E][000458567.198572][core.c:71 core_event_error()] core 0x559e4a521e00: proxy 0x559e4a54dbb0 id:4: seq:4 res:-2 (No such file or directory) msg:"can't create device: No such file or directory" Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199492]: [E][000458567.198579][media-session.c:1647 core_error()] error id:4 seq:4 res:-2 (No such file or directory): can't create device: No such file or directory Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199489]: [E][000458567.202044][alsa-pcm.c:33 spa_alsa_open()] hw:0,0: open failed: Device or resource busy Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199489]: [W][000458567.202053][adapter.c:175 find_format()] adapter 0x563498d30c90: can't get format: Device or resource busy Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199489]: [E][000458567.202056][module-adapter.c:231 create_object()] can't create node: Device or resource busy Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199489]: [E][000458567.202059][private.h:241 pw_core_resource_errorv()] resource 0x563498cde520: id:20 seq:74 res:-16 (Device or resource busy) msg:"can't create node: Device or resource busy" Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199492]: [E][000458567.218111][core.c:71 core_event_error()] core 0x559e4a521e00: proxy 0x559e4a56d5b0 id:20: seq:74 res:-16 (Device or resource busy) msg:"can't create node: Device or resource busy" Jul 16 00:20:59 vfr pipewire[199492]: [E][000458567.218124][media-session.c:1647 core_error()] error id:20 seq:74 res:-16 (Device or resource busy): can't create node: Device or resource busy Jul 16 00:21:29 vfr xdg-desktop-por[199455]: Failed to get application states: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.portal.Error.Failed: Could not get window list -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: htt
Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance
On Monday, June 8, 2020 12:41:03 PM EDT R. G. Newbury wrote: > On 2020-06-07 4:46 p.m., From: Samuel Sieb wrote: > >On 6/7/20 10:31 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote: > >> It was apparently something to do with selinux. I usually disable > >> selinux as the first or second thing I do to a new install. I > >> forgot to do that. > > That should never be necessary. > > Well obviously, it WAS necessary in order to get rid of an > objectionable and annoying message, which was otherwise impossible > to get rid of. I imagine that he meant that restoring some file context that was modified incorrectly by the root user would be a better way to solve the problem, thus disabling was not necessary. Obviously I cannot know what the problem really is, but it has been many years since I even came close to disabling selinux. It is hard to belive that a brand new system was created with an invalid file context. Those kinds of bugs don't get past updates-testing these days. So whatever was going on as the root user is almost certainly to blame. The restorecon(8) command is a handy command to get to know. Running it with the -nv option against the files and directories that were manipulated by root will probably reveal the exact error. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: rsync error... can i ask for help here?? (not threading!)
On Friday, April 17, 2020 4:59:51 PM EDT Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 4/17/20 1:42 PM, Garry T. Williams wrote: [snip] > > My mail client (kmail) shows his messages properly threaded. > > Are they properly threaded or just sorted by time? The email doesn't > have an "In-Reply-To:" header, so there's no way to properly thread > other than matching the subject and sorting by timestamp. Heheh. You are right. I just checked my settings and kmail was set to thread "Perfect and By Reference and By Subject". When I removed By Subject, I see what you were complaining about. It is a loathsome E-mail client. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: rsync error... can i ask for help here?? (not threading!)
On Friday, April 17, 2020 4:27:42 PM EDT Samuel Sieb wrote: > I've never heard of the mail client you're using (EarthLink Zoo Mail > 1.0), but can you please fix it or use something else. Every reply you > make starts a new thread. > > On 4/17/20 8:50 AM, C. Linus Hicks wrote: My mail client (kmail) shows his messages properly threaded. But the (very) irritating thing about his messages is the HTML and top-posting. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: LVM, list home -
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:39:13 PM EDT Bob Goodwin wrote: > lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root7 Mar 26 12:58 home -> ../dm-1 This indicates that the file "home" is a synbolic reference to the file (or directory) "../dm-1". [snip] > [root@Workstation-1 fedora_localhost-live]# ls -al home -> ../dm-1 > ls: cannot access '-': No such file or directory That command just redirected ls's stdout to the /dm-1 file or directory. The file you want is ../dm-1 -- not "home -> ../dm-1". The shell parses that as 'home' and '-' and then "sees" ">" as a redirect stdout. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Root Forced to Comply With Password Complexity Requirements
This problem seems to have been identified as a bug. That answers my original question. But... On Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:59:10 AM EST D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Tim via users > > | Samuel Sieb: > | >> 3 retries is the usual thing. > > | Ignoring your particular case, it may stop a bad keyboard, or a typist > | who needs to type slower to accurately enter their password. > > It also makes brute-forcing a little harder. Not a lot. Doesn't anyone read any more. I was *changing* a password -- not entering one to login. What possible purpose could be served by limiting my tries to get one conforming to the silly rules serve? Brut-force what? I am not logging in. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Root Forced to Comply With Password Complexity Requirements
On Saturday, November 2, 2019 5:56:53 AM EDT Tim via users wrote: > On Fri, 2019-11-01 at 12:38 -0400, Garry Williams wrote: > > The root user cannot set whatever password he wants on his machine? > > Since when? > > > > I wanted to assign a temporary password for a new user and then do > > > > sudo passwd -e ppatel > > > > to force it to be changed. For the new user, enforcing password > > complexity is, I guess, OK. But for root? > > If any user should need the enforcement of good passwords, it's the > root user. If your PC was on a LAN where crackers can have a go at > you, this could be very important. It does not take long for someone > to mess up a system if they can get in. It's better to be safe than > sorry. To me the obvious thing is to simply pick a better password. > e.g. Just make it two words long instead of one. I was setting a (temporary) password for another user -- not setting the root password. But I guess your comment helps me to understand why these changes happen. I cannot be trusted to operate my machine safely without someone else's help. I may harm myself, so I am not allowed to set a (temporary) password to whatever I want. I probably shouldn't be allowed to type the rm command without some sort of "are you sure?" warning either. Sigh. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Root Forced to Comply With Password Complexity Requirements
On Friday, November 1, 2019 12:57:51 PM EDT Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/1/19 9:38 AM, Garry Williams wrote: > > When did this start? > > > > garry@ifr$ sudo passwd ppatel > > Changing password for user ppatel. > > Have you changed your sudo settings? Why didn't it ask for your > user password? Because just before that I typed sudo useradd ... and gave the password. > > The root user cannot set whatever password he wants on his > > machine? Since when? > > You don't say what Fedora version you are running. This doesn't > happen for me on F30. I get the warnings about short or otherwise > bad passwords, but it lets it happen anyway. Oops, sorry. Yes, upgraded a week or two ago to F31. And yes, I used to get warnings as well. > > to force it to be changed. For the new user, enforcing password > > complexity is, I guess, OK. But for root? And why bail after > > three tries to get a compliant password? That seems capricious > > (not to mention irritating) to me. > > 3 retries is the usual thing. But for choosing a new password? Please. What on earth does that accomplish? -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssh
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 1:19:05 PM EDT Patrick Dupre wrote: > Here is the bizarre thing: > from a gnome-shell > telnet 192.168.1.12 22 > Trying 192.168.1.12... > Connected to 192.168.1.12. > Escape character is '^]'. > SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_8.0 This means you have a route and that sshd is listening on port 22. Of course, you cannot establish a session from the command line, but it does show that you can reach the remote and that the remote will answer on that port. > ssh 192.168.1.12 22 > time out Ed has told you what is wrong here. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssh
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 10:13:11 AM EDT Ed Greshko wrote: > On 9/14/19 9:59 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > >> On 9/14/19 9:34 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > telnet 192.168.1.12 > > Trying 192.168.1.12... > > telnet: connect to address 192.168.1.12: No route to host > > > > I guess that I need to reestablish the route. > > How? > > > > No, that is an indication that port 22 is not open. No. That error is from an ICMP message and means exactly what it says. It has nothing to do with what is or is not listening on the remote host since the attempt to connect to 192.168.1.12 never got that far. You do not have a route to 192.168.1.12 from the host that you used to run the telnet command. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why Must I Do "dnf clean all" Before Updating Will Proceed?
On Friday, May 31, 2019 11:05:20 PM EDT Tim via users wrote: > On Fri, 2019-05-31 at 17:18 -0400, Garry Williams wrote: > > But, of course, the issue is why this happens in the first place. > > Does your ISP insert a transparent proxy between you and the > internet? They're well known to cause caching problems. Ah, ha! That is a difference between the problem system and the others I have that do not experience the problem. My employer does eavesdrop on everything. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: GeoIP2 perl modules needed
On Friday, May 3, 2019 4:27:45 PM EDT Alex wrote: > Hi, I have a fedora29 system and need the GeoIP2 modules and they > don't appear to be available in the normal repos. Any idea where I can > find them and their dependencies? > > https://metacpan.org/pod/GeoIP2::Database::Reader > https://metacpan.org/pod/IP::Country::DB_File This available on Fedora 30 and may be available on 29: Name : perl-Geo-IP Version : 1.51 Release : 6.fc30 Architecture : x86_64 Size : 86 k Source : perl-Geo-IP-1.51-6.fc30.src.rpm Repository : fedora Summary : Efficient Perl bindings for the GeoIP location : database URL : https://metacpan.org/release/Geo-IP License : GPL+ or Artistic Description : This package contains Perl bindings for the GeoIP : IP/host-name to country/location/organization : database. : : This package requires Maxmind's GeoIP libraries but : is often faster than other, similar modules. https://metacpan.org/pod/Geo::IP -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: glibc scriptlet error?
On Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:00:10 AM EDT Tom Horsley wrote: > Seems like I've been getting this for a long time now on > every glibc update: > > Running scriptlet: glibc-2.27-30.fc28.x86_64 412/417 > /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.8JLoGA: line 5: /sbin/sln: No such file or > directory > Anyone know what an sln is and why glibc expects to find it? sln is a statically linked ln command. It is provided by glibc-arm-linux-gnu. It is *not* provided as /usr/sbin/sln, though. It ends up in another hierarchy that is obviously a chroot structure when compiling for arm architecture. Why it's being executed during a glibc update is a mystery, though. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssh -- from local/userA --> remote/userB
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:52:59 PM EDT Cameron Simpson wrote: > If you "tail -f /var/log/auth.log" (adjust to suit) on machine B as > you do your sshes you will see useful log messages scroll by. Or just do $ journalctl -b -u sshd.service if you are a member of either the wheel or systemd-journal groups. Finding log messages of interest is easier using the journal. This is a fine article: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-journalctl-to-view-and-manipulate-systemd-logs -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssh -- from local/userA --> remote/userB
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 2:52:39 PM EDT bruce wrote: > However, I'm "confused" (missing something) regarding how to ssh > into the remote box as a different user. > > Do I have to have a separate /home/userB/.ssh on both the local and > remote box? > > Does the local "userA" /home/userA/.ssh/config need to be changed to > accomodate some items for the userB? Add your public key(s) to userB's .ssh/authorized_keys file. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Startup messages shown twice on EFI boot
On Friday, August 31, 2018 8:44:12 AM EDT Richard Shaw wrote: > For some time now (i.e. multiple Fedora releases) I've noticed that > on two of my laptops that use EFI instead of BIOS booting, all of > the startup lines from SystemD are shown twice. No big issue but o > a whim I decided to google the problem and couldn't find much. > > I can't be the only person that's seen this though... Any easy fix > known? I get the same double messages at boot time on a system I use at work. But I do not see the problem on two other systems, all of which are EFI. I don't think that EFI is the reason. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Okular defaults to A4 paper size
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 2:30:09 PM EDT Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Okular (and any other QT apps) always default to paper size of A4. > I've tried a variety of suggested fixes without result. Google > doesn't seem to be able to help me in solving this. > > System: > * Fedora-27 all updates installed > * KDE Frameworks 5.46.0 It's a very long-standing bug in QT. Kevin Kofler has provided a fix in his Copr repository: name=Copr repo for qt5-qtbase-print-dialog-advanced owned by kkofler baseurl=https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/kkofler/qt5-qtbase-print-dialog-advanced/fedora-$releasever-$basearch/ type=rpm-md skip_if_unavailable=True gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/kkofler/qt5-qtbase-print-dialog-advanced/pubkey.gpg repo_gpgcheck=0 enabled=1 enabled_metadata=1 -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/IIGNQ6XS2LKGCXMGZEQOGNJQ6HU3QTLE/
Re: How to get a recent / maintained version of Mesa for F27?
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:04:35 PM EST Garry Williams wrote: > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:21 AM, Gerhard Hueller > wrote: > > Are there prebuilt packages of Mesa-17.3.3/4 available somewhere? > > Try updates-testing for 17.3.3-1.fc27. 17.3.4-1 is now in -testing. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing a systemd service file
On Thursday, June 29, 2017 11:27:04 PM EDT Alex wrote: > When I attempt to start the service, journalctl -xe shows me: > Validation failed for option 'ModulesDir' with value > '/usr/local/savapi-sdk-linux_glibc24_x86_64/modules'. Path cannot be > accessed (no write permission). > > ModulesDir is /usr/local/savapi-sdk-linux_glibc24_x86_64/modules > > When I run the script manually as root or as the amavis user, it runs > successfully. Sounds like Selinux -- not systemd. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: sed/regex question.. missing something simple...
On Saturday, May 27, 2017 5:27:46 PM EDT bruce wrote: > Hi. > > I've got a file.. with a bunch of lines looking like: > > $bookVariable['asu']['Fall-2016']='link'; > $bookVariable['lehmancuny']['Fall-2016']='1'; > $bookVariable['uvu']['Fall-2016']='1'; > $bookVariable['wmich']['Summer II 2017']='1'; > $bookVariable['wmich']['Summer I 2017']='1'; > $bookVariable['dmacc']['Summer-2017']='1'; > $bookVariable['sdmesa']['Summer-2017']='link'; > > I''m looking to get the "text" inside the 1st group of brackets [] > > The following sed only gets the 1st 3 lines.. and it doesn't > completely work. > > sed -n "s/^.*bookVariable\['\(\S*\)'].*$/\1/p" foo.txt That's because the * quantifier is "greedy" and will match as much as it can before forcing a match on "'"[1]. The \(\S*\) isn't what you want. What you probably meant was \([^']*\) instead. That will match only the part up to the *first* closing single quote character. ________ [1] The matching will go all the way to the end of the line and then fail because there's no single quote there. The matching engine will start backtracking to the first point that it can get a match of "']". That will encompass what you are seeing instead of only the first thingy in the square brackets. Greedy matching. -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [RFC] delta-repository-metadata
On Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:53:06 PM EDT stan wrote: > But I can confirm that the updates repo in F25 does not update if > there is no change to it as today's updates did not download it. > So, working great in F25. Not really. In f25, I now get: garry@vfr$ sudo dnf upgrade [sudo] password for garry: Error: Cache-only enabled but no cache for 'updates' garry@vfr$ So, whatever the problem, it's also present in f25. garry@vfr$ rpm -q dnf dnf-1.1.10-6.fc25.noarch garry@vfr$ -- Garry T. Williams ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Firefox crashes on Facebook
On 10-26-15 16:55:13 Antonio M wrote: > I ma experiencing some crashes when I go to Facebook on two diffrent > systems. Never had them before...any comment?? Feature? -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Adobe not providing linux flash updates
On 2-11-15 07:19:24 Stephen Morris wrote: > Maybe I'm misunderstanding things but I thought that ldconfig was > run every boot, otherwise updated versions of modules placed in > those directories would never be used because they were in the cash, > unless of coarse there is a post install script in every package > that installed modules into directories that could be in the case to > actually run ldconfig? You're misunderstanding things. Updates do not require a reboot and they do run ldconfig after installation to update the cache. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Solved - Re: F21 Xfce on Asus ee900 not seeing wireless adapter
On 12-25-14 11:20:01 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > information. Try it when there are a few APs around, then try and pick > out the couple of lines each per AP you want. I suppose I could pipe > the output into something that would look for like Channel, ESSID, and > Quality, but I am not good at writing regular expressions to put into > grep, say. Aw, it's not that hard. You just want to pick out any line with one of several words in it. Good old grep(1) will do it no problem. I suppressed stderr from the iwlist(8) command so the error message about interface lo doesn't show up. Also, the original grep(1) command doesn't allow for alternation (|), so I use grep -E or egrep: $ iwlist scan 2>/dev/null|egrep 'Channel|Quality|ESSID|Cell' Cell 01 - Address: 00:30:BD:93:E9:2C Channel:4 Frequency:2.427 GHz (Channel 4) Quality=53/70 Signal level=-57 dBm ESSID:"vfr" Cell 02 - Address: EC:1A:59:07:3D:46 Channel:11 Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11) Quality=32/70 Signal level=-78 dBm ESSID:"belkin.d46" $ It looks like substituting "Frequency" for "Channel" will eliminate a line of output without losing what you say you want on each AP. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Server mount problem -
On 12-14-14 14:41:07 Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > Ok, it looks like that may be the correct syntax then, after > removing the colon ":" and rebooting it still does not mount but the > error is now complaining about the password! > > Can I put the password in fstab and if so how? The password to mount > samba is different than for the server that does mount. I use this at work in the options field of the fstab file: credentials=/path/to/secrets In /path/to/secrets, I have: domain=DOMAIN username=MY_LOGIN password=SECRET The mount is to an AD share. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum Repairs?
On 11-23-14 21:09:36 Heinz Diehl wrote: > AFAIK, CTRL+C is nothing > else than a SIGHUP, SIGINT > so yum should have terminated > correctly. Yes. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Port knocking script/server for fedora?
On 11-19-14 13:11:27 Andy Blanchard wrote: > The most effective thing I've found for preventing SSH attacks is > simply to listen on a different port. +1 No log entries in over two years. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: System starts in emergency mode...how do I recover ?? (as a newbie)
On 8-24-14 16:05:05 Tod Merley wrote: > using such commands as: > > tail dmesg #prints the last ten lines of dmesg Not here: $ tail dmesg tail: cannot open ‘dmesg’ for reading: No such file or directory $ > less dmesg #prints several lines of dmesg with response to up/down > arrow to see the whole file - q to end $ less dmesg dmesg: No such file or directory $ > cat dmesg #prints the whole dmesg file to the screen all at once So stop this silliness. Read the manual page for dmesg(1). And try running commands you post before posting them. NAME dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer The dmesg command writes to stdout. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
On 7-6-14 14:21:05 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > different types". So apparently entity==unit. No, the manual page clearly states that a Unit *is a* entity. That is not an identity relationship. Think class and subclass. I was just trying to find the cause of the confusion. Actually, I am done now. There are a slew of references on the 'Net if you do not want to read the manual pages or if you find them hard to understand. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
On 7-6-14 10:39:11 lee wrote: > "Garry T. Williams" writes: > > The analogy is placing a script in /etc/init.d and then linking > > its name in the /etc/rc5.d directory. > > > > I find this much simpler than the sysvinit schemes. > > You have taken well over 100 lines to give a description about how > to get a daemon started with systemd, not to mention the hours you > must have spent reading all the documentation to figure out how to > do what you wanted. Of course, my message was an attempt to explain what a Unit is to Patrick. The bulk of my reply was not describing how to get a daemon started with systemd. As to the hours of reading, well, yes. systemd was new when I first encountered it. How else could I learn how it works without actually reading the documentation? > It took you only 2 lines to describe how to do the same thing with > sysvinit. Yes. But have you looked at the sysvinit script to compare it to the Service unit that accomplishes the same thing? Here's an example: http://0pointer.de/public/abrtd The point is that there is lots of boilerplate in every sysvinit script to do the simplest task. The systemd Service unit corresponding to the abrt init script is way simpler. And it can accomplish stuff the bare script cannot, like automatic restart upon failure. This might help in comparing the two: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html > I don't understand how you can find systemd "much simpler" than > sysvinit. Where and how is it simpler than sysvinit? It takes only > about 2% of the effort, if that much, to start a daemon with > sysvinit than it takes to do the same with systemd. > > For systemd, you even have to learn a whole new "programming > language" to create configuration files which is useless anywhere > else. Efficiency is negative here. Reading the documentation, I know that the unit files do not contain *any* "programming language". They are declarative. That was very intensional in systemd's design. Indeed, there have been many discussions and patches submitted to add that very thing to the unit files on the systemd development mailing list. These have been uniformly rejected because of this basic design. Yes, you do have to read and understand the documentation to successfully use systemd. I'll leave it to others to comment on the usefulness of a Unit file outside of Fedora. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
On 7-5-14 22:07:17 Garry T. Williams wrote: > whenever systemd determines that the multi-user Target is its > objective. This corresponds to what we used to call system level 2. Heh. How quickly I forget. That should be *run* level *3*. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
. Plus, we now have the ability to declare dependencies instead of prescribe ordering. Of course my example is drop-dead simple in either world, but systemd allows way more expressive power than this example. The nice thing is, you don't have to write code (shell scripts) to get what you need. You might want to examine sshd.service in /usr/lib/systemd/system to see a slightly more complex setup. (Ignore the deprecated After=syslog.target dependency.) Yes, this is all very different from sysvinit. But the documentation is more than adequate. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
On 7-5-14 13:08:07 vendor wrote: > Unfortunately, the metric for "clear explanation" is not "number of > pages." (Insert obligatory derogatory humor about government > bureaucracy here.) Strangely you are replying to someone else, but quoting my message. So I'll comment. I never mentioned number of pages in my message. If you examine the documentation, you will see that it is very extensive and of the highest quality. Over the life of the systemd project, many tools have been developed to provide the "building blocks for an OS" by those developers. Hence, the documentation has grown enormously. It is well-organized and well-indexed to form a high-quality reference. Also, in my message, which you quoted: >> Also (among many others): >> >> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html >> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-1.html That first reference has one of the clearest explanations of systemd that exists. When I read that document right after it was posted originally, I found it very easy to understand and very well- organized. In particular, Patrick O'Callaghan lamented: On 7-5-14 14:30:39 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > +1. One of my pet gripes about systemd is that it introduces a lot > of new terminology without a clear explanation. I still don't > understand the difference between a target and a service. Well, that very first posting by Lennart clearly explains, after discussing the motivation for systemd: 1. service: these are the most obvious kind of unit: daemons that can be started, stopped, restarted, reloaded. ... 6. target: this unit type is used for logical grouping of units: instead of actually doing anything by itself it simply references other units, which thereby can be controlled together. Examples for this are: multi-user.target, which is a target that basically plays the role of run-level 5 on classic SysV system, or bluetooth.target which is requested as soon as a bluetooth dongle becomes available and which simply pulls in bluetooth related services that otherwise would not need to be started: bluetoothd and obexd and suchlike. I fail to see where the complaints about the systemd documentation come from. Actually reading the documentation makes all these complaining comments moot. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
On 7-5-14 14:30:39 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > +1. One of my pet gripes about systemd is that it introduces a lot of > new terminology without a clear explanation. Have you looked at the manual pages? I know of no other project that has the breadth and depth of documentation that systemd has. Your statement is, on its face, incorrect. Also (among many others): http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-1.html -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
On 7-5-14 15:10:35 Timothy Murphy wrote: > One trivial complaint I have with systemd is that I have to type more - > "sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service" against > "sudo service NetworkManager restart". > Not much difference, perhaps, but to me the necessity of adding ".service" > shows that the developer just didn't think of the user's convenience. > I know there are rare cases where one has to say something else, > but why not make the default to add ".service" if nothing is given? > Or perhaps TAB could complete it? Have you actually tried a tab? -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
On 7-5-14 10:20:16 Balint wrote: > I really do NOT understand Yes, that is true. Log of update that includes a new systemd: Jun 26 08:01:45 vfr sudo[28872]: garry : TTY=pts/2 ; PWD=/home/garry ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/dnf upgrade ... Jun 26 08:07:16 vfr systemd[1]: Serializing state to /run/systemd/dump-1-nP2xi3 Jun 26 08:07:16 vfr systemd[1]: Reexecuting. Jun 26 08:07:16 vfr systemd[1]: systemd 208 running in system mode. (+PAM +LIBWRAP +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ) No reboot, of course. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: background - "stopped" how to kill!
On 6-6-14 13:44:51 bruce wrote:
> However, if I change the running to be -- foo.php & so the test runs
> as a background process, the process gets listed as "Stopped" "T" in
> the status of the procTBL.
T means the process received a SIGSTOP signal. Send the process a
SIGCONT signal, then a SIGTERM signal:
kill -CONT
kill
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Re: stopping cinnamon-started apps at logout
On 5-12-14 11:21:51 Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 11/05/14 18:52, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > I'd assumed that the apps started by cinnamon when I logged in > > would also be killed when I logged out. That doesn't seem to be > > the case for non-X11 programs that hang around forever and watch > > files. > > I am not sure but it could be systemd-logind; try editing > /etc/systemd/logind.conf and change: > > #KillUserProcesses=no > > to KillUserProcesses=yes > > then reboot the system or restart systemd-logind.service. > > (Check the logind.conf manual page for more details). Although this may very well be the solution that Wolfgang is looking for, I suspect that there will be a more fine-grained option evolving sometime in the future. The problem is, how do you kill the programs you want killed off upon logout without killing something like screen(1)? -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: host command not seeming to use /etc/hosts file
On 5-1-14 22:35:54 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > On 05/01/2014 05:12 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > To see all the matches, IPv6 and IPv4, you can use "ahosts" > > instead > > comannd not found. I will have to figure out what rpm provides it, > as it was not part of the base f20 install. But thanks getent ahosts www.google.com -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: su
On 4-27-14 13:45:43 Patrick Dupre wrote: > After a fresh installation of fedora 20, I can only log 1 time as a > su. After, it is refused for authentification error! It might help to see actual error messages. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp
On 4-26-14 09:43:41 Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 26.04.2014, Garry T. Williams wrote: > > That's not true. Swap will come into play and unreferenced data > > in the /tmp files will be paged out in favor of claiming that > > memory for other uses. > > Did you actually try? > > [htd@kiera ~]$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/bigfile bs=1M count=3000 > dd: error writing ‘/tmp/bigfile’: No space left on device > 2048+0 records in > 2047+0 records out > 2147450880 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 0.920556 s, 2.3 GB/s > > [htd@kiera ~]$ free -m > total used free sharedbuffers cached > Mem: 3745 1562 2183 0 0773 > -/+ buffers/cache:787 2957 > Swap: 8191 0 8191 > > I have 4 GB of memory in my machine, and mount defaults to > "size=50%" (= 2GB). I have been running /tmp as a tmpfs a long time, > because the harddisk is a SSD. What happens can you see above: it > creates a 2 GB file and aborts for the next 1 GB. The machine has 8 > GB of swap, and nothing of it was used. When another process requires memory in excess of what is immediately available, the unreferenced file(s) in /tmp can be paged out to accommodate the request. If memory pressure is absent, no paging will occur. There is no pressure here. (I only wanted to correct the claim that placing files in /tmp would encumber main memory to the detriment of other processes. That is not so as long as the system can page out unneeded memory.) > Disclaimer: this is not a rant against having /tmp using tmpfs. I'm > aware of the limitations, and have only encountered positive > experiences so far. This is my experience, too. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp
On 4-25-14 10:03:11 Rick Stevens wrote: > No, but IIRC the tmpfs filesystem created and mounted on /tmp is 50% > of your system RAM. Once that is committed, it's done. It won't use > up all of your RAM and /tmp won't get any bigger than that, but then > again half of your available RAM is no longer available for program > usage. That's not true. Swap will come into play and unreferenced data in the /tmp files will be paged out in favor of claiming that memory for other uses. It's still a win, however. If and when some file that was paged out is opened or read again, it will be paged back in. That can be faster than normal file I/O. > IMHO using a tmpfs for /tmp is a spectacularly stupid thing to do. > How it got by the vetting process is beyond me. This was discussed in great detail before the change was made. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: CUPS service seems to have suddenly stopped working [Solved]
On 4-16-14 23:03:10 Tim wrote: > So, trying to remove it would completely kill an > installation. Not quite: $ sudo dnf erase cups ... Dependencies resolved. Package Arch Version Repository Size Removing: cups x86_641:1.7.1-8.fc20@System 0 foomatic x86_644.0.9-6.fc20 @System 0 foomatic-db noarch4.0-39.20130604.fc20 @System 0 foomatic-db-ppds noarch4.0-39.20130604.fc20 @System 0 google-chrome-stable x86_6434.0.1847.116-1 @System 0 gutenprint-cups x86_645.2.9-14.fc20 @System 0 hpijs x86_641:3.13.11-4.fc20 @System 0 hplip x86_643.13.11-4.fc20@System 0 kde-print-manager x86_644.12.3-1.fc20 @System 0 kde-print-manager-libsx86_644.12.3-1.fc20 @System 0 printer-filters noarch1.1-7.fc18@System 0 ptouch-driver x86_641.3-11.fc20 @System 0 redhat-lsbx86_644.1-21.fc20 @System 0 redhat-lsb-core x86_644.1-21.fc20 @System 0 redhat-lsb-cxxx86_644.1-21.fc20 @System 0 redhat-lsb-desktopx86_644.1-21.fc20 @System 0 redhat-lsb-languages x86_644.1-21.fc20 @System 0 redhat-lsb-printing x86_644.1-21.fc20 @System 0 Transaction Summary Remove 18 Packages -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: wireshark installed but not available
On 4-7-14 09:19:22 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > So now I can run wireshark, but it reports permissions denied for > dumpcap and to run: > > usermod -a -G wireshark rgm > > So now I am part of the wireshark group (also wheel group), but > still no access to any interface. I believe that usermod(8) requires *all* supplementary groups to be mentioned in its -G parameter. -G, --groups GROUP1[,GROUP2,...[,GROUPN]]] A list of supplementary groups which the user is also a member of. Each group is separated from the next by a comma, with no intervening whitespace. Also, you will need to log out and back in of your desktop session before your session "knows" you are in a new group. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit' ?? why?
On 4-6-14 13:15:58 Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 04/06/2014 12:21 PM, jarmo wrote: > >> Apr 6 10:52:39 pauls-server dbus-daemon: dbus[871]: [system] > >> > Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.hostname1' > >> > > >> > what is this, and how do you stop it?? seems like a waste of > >> > processing power & time. > >> > > > yum remove PackageKit ? > > > what will I miss or not be able to do without packagekit? Try it to see. Just don't pass -y to yum so you can elect to cancel, if you don't like the dependent packages being removed. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updated to F20, now perl can't find installed modules
On 4-1-14 14:34:22 Sean Darcy wrote: > $ ls -l /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm > -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 3933 Jan 7 09:48 /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm I was thinking about this anomaly some more... The only thing that touches /usr normally is rpm(8)[*]. (yum, dnf, and GUI friends all call rpm(8) to change files in /usr.) And rpm(8) doesn't get this stuff wrong. Well, at least not if the rpm file is correct and I think after decades of correct rpms for Perl, it's probably correct today in F20. At least it is on my updated to F20 system. Have you done other things to /usr as the root user? > As root: > > # perl -V This is a bad sign. Why would you use the root user to run perl -V? But maybe the mystery is solved by finding out which perl binary file is actually being executed both as root and as a normal user. __ [*] Except /usr/local, that is. That directory is properly the property of the system administrator. The other stuff in /usr is the property of the system. And the rpm(8) program maintains files there; never sysadmins. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updated to F20, now perl can't find installed modules
On 4-1-14 14:57:13 Sean Darcy wrote: > And the user can read strict.pm: > > $ cat /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm > package strict; > > $strict::VERSION = "1.07"; > ... > > > What's going wrong here? What does `which perl` say? -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updated to F20, now perl can't find installed modules
On 4-1-14 14:34:22 Sean Darcy wrote:
> # perl -e 'use strict; print map {"$_ => $INC{$_}\n"} keys %I'
> strict.pm => /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm
OK, I'll bite and copy/paste what you wrote.
# perl -e 'use strict; print map {"$_ => $INC{$_}\n"} keys %I'
Global symbol "%I" requires explicit package name at -e line 1.
Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
#
Hmmm. Maybe you didn't copy and paste...
# perl -e 'use strict; print map {"$_ => $INC{$_}\n"} keys %INC'
strict.pm => /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm
#
> As a user:
>
> $ perl -e 'use strict; print "ok"'
> Can't locate strict.pm: Permission denied at -e line 1.
> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at -e line 1.
$ perl -le 'use strict; print "ok"'
ok
$
> $ ls -l /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm
> -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 3933 Jan 7 09:48 /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm
Your installation is broken. This file (and all Perl module files)
should have 0644 permissions -- not execute.
$ ls -l /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 3933 Jan 7 09:48 /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm
$
The error message you encountered may be because of you not having
access to an intermediate directory in the path to strict.pm. You
should check that:
$ for d in /usr /usr/share /usr/share/perl5;do ls -ld $d;done
drwxr-xr-x. 12 root root 4096 Dec 21 11:13 /usr/
drwxr-xr-x. 288 root root 12288 Mar 28 15:24 /usr/share/
drwxr-xr-x. 49 root root 4096 Jan 11 17:59 /usr/share/perl5/
$
Anyway, since one thing in your installation is hosed, you probably
should reinstall perl to get the correct permissions set on its files.
I would be wondering how I managed to do that to the file, though.
The rpm -V command /might/ be of help to you.
On 4-1-14 14:57:13 Sean Darcy wrote:
> On 04/01/2014 02:34 PM, Sean Darcy wrote:
> And the user can read strict.pm:
>
> $ cat /usr/share/perl5/strict.pm
> package strict;
>
> $strict::VERSION = "1.07";
> ...
>
>
> What's going wrong here?
Hmmm. Any AVCs?
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Re: Backup question
On 3-19-14 08:42:20 Cameron Simpson wrote:
> mount | awk '$5 ~ /^(xfs|ext2|ext3)$/ { print $1 }'
I think you meant `print $3'.
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Re: dnf?
On 2-16-14 23:01:47 Andre Robatino wrote: > Ranjan Maitra inbox.com> writes: > > > dnf should work just fine with F20 (it does, for me), but note > > that it does not do delta rpm downloads. Other than that, it is > > pretty stable. > > It does now, but it's disabled by default. To enable, add > "deltarpm=true" to /etc/dnf/dnf.conf. (See the dnf.conf man page.) And, unlike yum, it does the rpm rebuild from drpm overlapped with the downloads. Nice: Total download size: 122 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: (1/34): celt-0.11.3-1.fc20.x86_64.rpm28 kB/s | 77 kB 00:02 (2/34): autocorr-en-4.1.4.2-5.fc20_4.1.5.3-1.fc 14 kB/s | 50 kB 00:03 (3/34): gupnp-igd-0.2.2-2.fc20_0.2.3-1.fc20.x86 13 kB/s | 13 kB 00:01 [DRPM] autocorr-en-4.1.5.3-1.fc20.noarch.rpm: done (4/34): kcm_colors-4.11.5-1.fc20_4.11.6-2.fc20. 29 kB/s | 71 kB 00:02 [DRPM] gupnp-igd-0.2.3-1.fc20.x86_64.rpm: done (5/34): gambit-c-doc-4.6.6-2.fc18_4.7.2-1.fc20. 50 kB/s | 304 kB 00:06 [DRPM] kcm_colors-4.11.6-2.fc20.x86_64.rpm: done ... -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: procmail testing
On 1-21-14 11:37:25 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > So I changed the run time to 11am, and procmail DID drop something into > /var/spool/mail/rgm, but mutt says it is not a valid mailbox. I have > emailed one of my smtp oldtimers for help, but meanwhile here is what is > going into my mail (anyone see any obvious mail format problem?): > > From: "(Cron Daemon)" > To: rgm > Subject: Cron rsync -tvz ftp.rfc-editor.org::rfcs/*.txt > /home/common/ietf/rfcs The "obvious mail format problem" is that there is no "From " line before the message. As to why that occurred, I have no clue. But a valid mailbox *must* begin each message with "From \n" -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Ouch! X2Go needs a couch!
On 1-17-14 21:03:39 poma wrote: > > # setenforce 0 > > # > > # setenforce 1 > > I think I don't remember that I ever had to do it. > This nullifies the very purpose of the SELinux. The problem was caused by a bad SELinux policy that blocks rpm updates. You must set to permissive to get the corrected policy installed. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: perl-Graphics-Color
On 1-12-14 22:33:25 Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > When I make: > yum search perl-Graphics-Color > > I get: > perl-Graphics-Color.noarch : Device and library agnostic color spaces F20: garry@vfr$ sudo yum search perl-Graphics-Color Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit === N/S matched: perl-Graphics-Color === perl-Graphics-ColorNames.noarch : Defines RGB values for common color names perl-Graphics-ColorNames-WWW.noarch : WWW color names and equivalent RGB values Name and summary matches only, use "search all" for everything. garry@vfr$ -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OCR
On 1-9-14 22:56:39 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~bcd/humor/instruction.set.html Zero and add packed (ZAP) *is* an instruction on the IBM System 370, 390, etc. http://www.simotime.com/asmins01.htm#ZAP -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ONLY VPN traffic on F20 wireless interface?
On 1-5-14 12:00:37 Steve Snyder wrote: > How can I ensure that in Fedora 20 my wireless interface is *only* > used for VPN traffic? > > After the initial connection to the access point I want to guarantee > that no traffic passes through the interface other than through the > OpenVPN tunnel. You want delete any existing default route that is not via tun0 and add a default route for that interface. Most VPN servers are configured to send routes for just that purpose. But yours may not be configured that way. Connect to your server and look at your route table: $ netstat -nr > Ideally, I'd like to be able to ensure this from a terminal window, > but use of a GUI interface is OK if that is what is needed to ensure > no leakage of unencrypted data. NewtworkManager provides a call-back for things like this. Place an executable file in the /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d directory that does something like this: #!/bin/sh case $2 in "vpn-up") /usr/sbin/ip route add default dev $1 ;; esac After connecting check your route table to verify that traffic is only routed over the VPN tunnel. > Can someone point me to a guide that explains how to do this? $ man NetworkManager ... NetworkManager will execute scripts in the /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d directory in alphabetical order in response to network events. Each script should be a regular executable file, owned by root. Furthermore, it must not be writable by group or other, and not setuid. Each script receives two arguments, the first being the interface name of the device just activated, and second an action. ... vpn-up A VPN connection has been activated. The environment contains the connection UUID in the variable CONNECTION_UUID. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: upgraded to F20, still have F18 packages
On 12-22-13 18:24:25 John Aldrich wrote: > Can I just do a "yum remove *.fc18.*" to remove those packages since > I should have the F20 versions now? You want to run package-cleanup --dupes This will print the F18 packages that also have F20 installed. Erase only those (which could easily be scripted). -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: issues with upgrade from f19 -> f20
On 12-17-13 22:15:15 Ranjan Maitra wrote: > %sudo yum --releasever=20 distro-sync > > and I get the following: [snip] > Transaction check error: > package dbus-libs-1:1.6.12-1.fc20.x86_64 is already installed > package dbus-1:1.6.12-1.fc20.x86_64 is already installed > package dbus-x11-1:1.6.12-1.fc20.x86_64 is already installed > package python-urlgrabber-3.9.1-32.fc20.noarch is already installed > package faad2-libs-1:2.7-2.fc17.x86_64 is already installed > package usb_modeswitch-data-20130807-1.fc20.noarch is already > installed package ssmtp-2.64-9.fc20.x86_64 is already installed > package mesa-libGLU-9.0.0-3.fc20.x86_64 is already installed > > I can not get out of this. No matter what i do, here is where I end. > > Any suggestions? I did the yum upgrade on my laptop and ran into a similar problem. I ended up with a half-upgraded system when the yum command hung updating systemd. The fix is to manually erase the fc19 packages noted in this: package-cleanup --dupes And then do yum distro-sync On my desktop system I tried fedup for the first time and all went flawlessly. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: evince
On 12-1-13 19:31:47 David wrote: > So you are telling me that all of this time, while I have been > dodging flack because mine works and theirs does not, that 'mine' > works and theirs' does not? Really? Really? > > Please tell them. :-) Actually, this is quite simple. An E-mail message that includes the proper headers preserves the thread or conversation. One that does not doesn't. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: evince
On 12-1-13 19:05:12 David wrote: > On 12/1/2013 5:48 PM, Garry T. Williams wrote: > > On 12-1-13 17:39:50 Garry T. Williams wrote: Also, by the way, > > Microsoft ignores this RFC in its clients. :-( > > My client comes from Mozilla. So they ignore this crap too? Good for > them. Actually, your client doesn't ignore the RFC. It is properly (according to RFC 2822) adding the correct headers to maintain the thread. Patrick's Web mail client is breaking the thread, ignoring the RFC. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: evince
On 12-1-13 17:39:50 Garry T. Williams wrote: > Without the required headers, there is no way to do proper threading. > It can only come close using Subject header value, date, and time. By the way, this is spelled out in RFC-2822. See http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt Also, by the way, Microsoft ignores this RFC in its clients. :-( -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: evince
On 12-1-13 17:03:07 David wrote: > That has been discussed to the ends of the universe. He and several > others and I use the same Mozilla Thunderbird email client. It works for > me and not them. I use Kmail and I also set my threading options to try to approximate threading by paying attention to the Subject header value, date, and time. This makes these broken messages sort into the thread I'm reading. But... Without the required headers, there is no way to do proper threading. It can only come close using Subject header value, date, and time. > After (limited time and skills here) the only obvious > difference that I can see is that 'they' use the Fedora packaged > Thunderbird and I do not. Does this make a difference? Almost certainly not. It is a function of the client settings. Like I said, you have told your client to use Subject header value, date, and time to do threading *if* the correct headers are not supplied. Here's a look at Patrick's headers: First I snip out the headers supplied by the servers that received his message. Then we come to what his message actually supplied: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 15:32:17 +0100 From: "Patrick Dupre" Message-ID: <20131201143218.102...@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: evince To: "Community support for Fedora users" X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 X-GMX-UID: JS3pcnxJeSEqJ2ux8H0hYYV+IGRvb0CV Notice that his message didn't include In-Reply-To or References headers. BY DEFINITION, this message is a brand new thread. It doesn't refer to any previous message. Patrick broke the thread. In contrast, here are the headers from the message you wrote and that I am replying to: Message-ID: <529bb21b.2080...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:03:07 -0500 From: David User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: evince References: <20131201143218.102...@gmx.com> <529b6dda.2090...@gmail.com><529b7e01.5050...@gmail.com> <3476548.tqg5ruCP5g@vfr> In-Reply-To: <3476548.tqg5ruCP5g@vfr> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Notice that your message properly refers to mine (in its In-Reply-To header) as what you are replying to and adds all of the other messages in this "mini-thread" that Patrick started (in its References header). But there are many more messages in the thread you thought was here. They are missing because Patrick broke the thread with his message. Without proper headers, threading is impossible. The same Subject header value is *not* a thread identifier. Only message IDs can be used for that. > How the heck > would I know? I'm the dummy. :-) Two ways to know: 1. Set your client to thread only using proper message headers and to ignore the Subject header value. 2. Examine the headers. As for me, I don't mind the occasional broken thread message so I tell my client to sort by Subject header value, date, and time, *if* the proper headers are missing. I find this works well for me on mailing lists. I never do this at my day job. But this topic got my attention. It seems that many others set their clients with similar sorting criteria, but do not know the implications. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: evince
On 12-1-13 13:20:49 David wrote: > On 12/1/2013 12:11 PM, poma wrote: > > On 01.12.2013 15:32, Patrick Dupre wrote: > >> So what is the solution ? > > > > Stop breaking a thread! > > Stop top-posting! > > Stop spamming us with your address, telephone and fax numbers! > > Two out of three. > > 1) He did top post > 2) He did include his signature > > 3) Threading worked for me. It's an illusion that your client creates due to the settings you have chosen. (His message appears in this thread because the subject is the same. It appears according to sent date and time. This will often create the wrong position in a thread.) His message doesn't contain the necessary headers to do proper threading. In particular, there is no In-Reply-To or References header in his message. Indeed, your message correctly includes these headers, but fails to reference his message, Message-ID: <20131201143218.102...@gmx.com>. Your own client doesn't know Patrick's message is part of this thread. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why some say "rpm hell"
On 11-27-13 23:15:12 David wrote: > You are searching for errors? Perhaps I said that incorrectly. AP's > messages, and those of everyone that I have seen that have replied > to his original post, thread correctly. For me. This is a function of the mail reader client. I use Kmail and this list is in a separate directory from others and I set the "Message Aggregation Mode" for that folder to "Perfect, by References and by Subject". This makes it /appear/ that AP's messages are threading properly. But it's an illusion. They are threaded by Subject and by date/time. I see his replies to one poster under another because of this. Without the proper headers, correct threading is impossible. My client approximates it. Your client is doing the same thing -- approximating threading. As to why this guy among all the others here is posting broken messages, I am betting g is correct. -- Garry T. Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
