Re: YouTube, HTML5, and Chromium. Why the sudden malfunction?
On 03/06/2012 05:07 AM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: Its true that 19 is a dev build, but still, it all worked before, and that is the main issue. I cannot remember making any significant changes. Videos simply stopped playing. The new pepper api flash is broken - fix is committed (and will be fixed in google-chrome build after 19.0.1055.1) For now disable pepper and use the old api flash. You can google this for more info. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: YouTube, HTML5, and Chromium. Why the sudden malfunction?
On 03/06/2012 06:09 AM, Ian Malone wrote: I still can't find what HTML5 has to do with Pepper or Flash, do you have a link? Neither do I - but in my experience when this happened html5 (e.g. youtube) did not work either ... I have no link to how html5 couples to this ... did you try html5 after disabling pepper flash to see if its still broken? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: YouTube, HTML5, and Chromium. Why the sudden malfunction?
On 03/06/2012 07:11 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 03/06/2012 06:09 AM, Ian Malone wrote: I still can't find what HTML5 has to do with Pepper or Flash, do you have a link? Neither do I - but in my experience when this happened html5 (e.g. youtube) did not work either ... I have no link to how html5 couples to this ... did you try html5 after disabling pepper flash to see if its still broken? google-chrome 19.0.1061.1 is out - both html5 and pepper flash work fine. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is fedora really bleeding edge?
On 03/04/2012 03:34 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: One of the reason for using Fedora is quick access to the latest software -- sometimes even too quick (hence the bleeding edge moniker.) But I have noticed this is not true for some things. yes and no. imo anyway. Leading edge and bleeding edge can be a little different. Leading edge is latest current versions of existing software - bleeding edge tends to include new stuff' which differs significantly from the past - either completely new things, or non-compatible changes in existing things. At Fedora release time, reasonably updated versions of many existing packages make it in - provided the upstream release is ahead of the appropriate freeze date. These 'compatible' versions tend to be reasonably up to date (tho not always) - whether they remain so for the next 3-4 months is up to the packager - as you have found - some do some don't - you may need to wait for the next fedora release (once its out) to get the then 'latest' versions. In addition, existing software which has incompatible versions may make it with sufficient lead time (python 3 for example) - tho you should anticipate delays of a (fedora) version (or 2) now and again. So its possible these can be a few months behind. Fedora is pretty conservative (i.e. careful) in not taking such updates for fear of breaking things. So these are not too bleeding. Lastly - the 'new stuff' - the experimental lab for new ideas - these tend to get in - sometimes with a delay (e.g systemd was delayed from 14 to 15) sometimes with little delay (e.g. gnome 3 was really pre-release when it first went in). This category tends to cause the most pain and its where fedora tends to bleed. Perhaps its because fedora is one of the incubators of ideas - or perhaps it's for other reasons. Also, it is not uncommon here for the 'newest' version not to be brought back to prior fedora version - so you really need to keep updating to avoid older stuff here - and if you avoid rawhide - again you may need to wait 3-4 months for the next fedora release to get the updated versions. rawhide - certainly in the early phases - is not really a distro as much as a development build area for the next release - things are put in without regard to marginal interaction or stability or other than unit testing (perhaps not even that for some). Majority of fedora users avoid rawhide for this reason - it can be very unstable at times - tho not always. If you're looking for a pretty stable distro with the latest software (but not wanting the experimental stuff until those have matured and been more broadly accepted) you really can't get it with fedora, imho. If that is your goal you may want to explore some of the rolling releases - which can be very stable and running latest software. Some would argue not necessarily as stable as Fedora could be without the experimental stuff - but could well be more stable than fedora as it actually is with the experimental stuff when it is included. An advantage the rolling release guys have - is when they have one of those incompatible changes - it tends to be the only thing that they focus on - so its a marginal change. So as always - you have a choice to make with tradeoffs - obviously only you can judge which tradeoffs work best for you. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: empathy - is it for real?
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 11:53:17AM +1000, Dan Irwin wrote: Over several successive versions (Since Fedora 10), empathy has never just worked or worked right on my laptop. It will crash. Modules will crash. People will complain that I am signed in and ignoring them, when I don't appear to have empathy even running. While I have persisted with it, empathy seems exceptionally bad in Fedora 16. I suggest you stop using it and switch to something else - file bugs and if they are not resolved and the app is not working for you, don't use it. Let others know what you find to be better alternative as that can be helpful as well. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: synchronize time
Comment: ntpd is not deprecated - fedora decided to use chrony as it is supposed to handle situations like a mobile laptop where you're not permanently connected to the net. ntpd is still the benchmark time management tool. However, if you're using a laptop you may prefer chrony. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 USB pass-through to VirtualBox
On 02/22/2012 02:59 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: If you are using VirtualBox-OSE from rpmfusion, there is no USB support. If you need USB support, you must install VirtualBox *and* the VirtualBox Extension pack, both from VirtualBox.org. I thought the OSE was no longer - and that there is only 1 version now and it should support USB no problem - I believe that was around 4.1.x but don't recall exactly ... (PS - please don't cross post to dead list: fedora-x@redhat). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications do not close with new kernel
On 02/19/2012 08:24 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 02/19/2012 07:15 PM, Roger wrote: Mouse. Wireless mouse and keyboard with the receiver plugged into a ... It would seem you have uncovered a bug within X affecting your mouse. My guess is that it would be the same problem under any desktop environment. I would suggest you actually try another desktop (KDE or XFCE) to confirm that it does actually affect all desktops not just gnome. As suggested by others, please look in your xorg and the messages logs. Also you may want to check your batteries in your mouse. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications do not close with new kernel
On 02/19/2012 07:02 PM, Roger wrote: Mouse batteries are new. Other desktops are fine. Then it seems to me it may not be the kernel per se ... perhaps its a gnome or X driver bug that is triggered by gnome which can put more pressure on the graphics sub system. gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: issues logging in after fresh install fc16
On 02/17/2012 10:59 PM, Les Howell wrote: ... 1. back up all users using TAR. ... 7. copy the splits back to /home , use cat to rejoin them and tar -xf. : all good user directories fully restored. Most people have /home being a separate partition ... I'm not sure I really understand your setup, but of course backups are good - however there should be no need to re-copy /home/ if you keep it a separate partition. It will also keep all the selinux labels and save you a lot of bother. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: issues logging in after fresh install fc16
On 02/18/2012 01:42 PM, les wrote: Hi, gene, I know, and I even had a separate disk for the users for a while, which I really like using. I can unplug it for some work, or even substitute it for some security type work, but some time ago I had a problem with the disk not mounting and I never got back to that method. Will the selinux perform with a separate disk as well? Regards, Les H yes - selinux doesn't really care ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop desires and questions
On 02/18/2012 03:17 PM, les wrote: HI, everyone, I know that this has been discussed before, and I will go back and read more of that. I want more efficient use of my desktop. Pretty is nice for most people and of course design driven types, but I am a technophile, closer to Sheldon (of big bang theory) than normal people. I know that. If you don't like Gnome Shell then don't use it .. no flame war - if you like it use it :-) You have other choices such as kde (which is really nice and fast and has what you're looking for) as well as xfce (lightweight, very fast and no thrills plain). From what you wrote you really should just switch to kde ... it will suit your needs. And if you like activities - it has that too .. :-) gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Googlecl
On 02/10/2012 07:08 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I see that this program is far from my needs or desires. I just want to transfer contacts from Fedoar/KDE PIM to my Android phone, and vice versa. Is this possible under Fedora, or do I have to go over to Windows? Just use google sync like most people. With thunderbird you can use the googlesync addon to sync contacts with gmail. KDE/PIM I don't use but hopefully any modern addressbook would have sync ability - if KDE/PIM has no sync ability then of course it wont work - you can of course use thunderbird to do it and export it for re-import ... and vice versa ... that said if the tool doesn't do what you need you're using the wrong tool no? gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Android-tools
On 02/10/2012 07:21 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 02/09/2012 07:38 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I just want to transfer contacts from my PIM/AddressBook to my phone, and vice versa. But this appears to be impossible? Can you not sync with Google and then sync using Contacts in Gnome 3? Thanks for your response. But by sync do you mean transfer from Google to the phone? Actually, my first wish - I didn't make this clear - is to transfer contacts from the phone to my computer or to google. I don't know how to do this. Also, I'm a KDE user, though I guess anything in Gnome probably have an equivalent somewhere in KDE. Incidentally, I've always assumed that the word sync meant to make the data in two places, eg phone and computer, the same. But it seems to be used in this context simply to mean transfer from A to B. It does keep the 2 in sync - sounds lke you turned off the sync part in your phone - otherwise all your contacts would be visible in gmail contacts via browser. If thats the case just turn sync back on on your phone and you're done. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Googlecl
On 02/10/2012 09:37 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Just use google sync like most people. What do you mean by use google sync? Are you talking about a Fedora program? According to man google there is no option sync. Perhaps if you just wrote down the command you give or might give (under Fedora), and the effect you expect it to have, I would find it simpler to follow. It's a feature of all android phones - you need to put in your gmail account into the phone - and make sure (via settings) that you have allowed syncing on gthe phone. Then the phone will sync your contacts etc to the google cloud - from where you can also sync it back ot your linux machine - (a) you will see your contacts in gmail webmail app (b) can use googlesycn addon for thunderbird. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Operating a laptop when closed. Disabling the lid switch ?
On 01/19/2012 01:05 PM, linux guy wrote: I'd like to run my new laptop with the lid closed. I'm using external displays and keyboard, mouse, etc. When its at my desk, I only want to use it as a processing unit. How do I disable the lid switch from putting it into sleep mode ? The following outlines how to prevent the lid switch from initiating a wakeup, but how does one set it up so that it doesn't initiate a sleep ? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=72779 The following talks about acpi events and actions, but I don't see a script for sleeping upon lid closed, so where does it happen in F16/KDE ? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_acpid Thanks ! Ignoring potential heating issues - you just click on the KDE power/battery applet - click the wrench icon - and change the powersave profile: Look for for 'When lid is close closed' set it to 'do nothing' instead of 'sleep'. gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Operating a laptop when closed. Disabling the lid switch ?
On 01/19/2012 03:03 PM, linux guy wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: I won't go so far as say 'over-heat', but _my_ laptop does get 'a lot warmer' with its lid shut. Its due to the fact that its backlight rarely gets turned off when the lid is closed. (The difference between one radiating surface versus two.) I am turning the laptop display off entirely with nvidia-settings when I use it in desktop, ie lid closed, mode. Good idea - linux guy - instead of 'do nothing' in kde power applet - choose - 'turn off screen' on lid close event. gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Operating a laptop when closed. Disabling the lid switch ?
On 01/19/2012 05:02 PM, Pete Travis wrote: ... I hope this isn't considered thread hijacking, but can anyone offer a DE-agnostic method of disabling/managing suspend? I have been experimenting with a wyse client, and while its much easier to boot from USB or LAN than hack the locked onboard storage, it doesn't handle suspend well. Ill start a new thread if needed, but it seems in scope. You could try edit the polkit file: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.upower.policy And find suspend/hibernate section and change active=yes to no. I have not tried this and it may get replaced by a polkit update - I am not sure if there is an alternative local override (like /etc/polkit/actions/foo.upower.policy or something ... polkit experts? gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: converting base64 emails back to text
On 01/11/2012 11:57 PM, g wrote: On 01/10/2012 06:30 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: I've not searched for any existing utility since I keep all of my emails on an imap server and text based searches from email clients work just fine as the un-encoding is done behind the scenes and I've never found the need to directly search my messagestore with external tools. -=- having your own mail server running is an advantage that i have not seen great need for, considering what all i would have to go thru to set it up and then maintain it. He said imap server - not mail server - and setting up a local imap server for storing mail is really trivial. install and start dovecot - add account to your mail client pointing to your local imap server - use it to file your mail. thats it. Your approach of finding tools to transcode emails is way way way more complex and error prone ... gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 01/02/2012 07:34 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Do you have a concrete application you have used nepomuk/strigi for? Not me sorry - I turn it off :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 01/01/2012 08:12 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Genes MailLists wrote: ... K-menu-System Settings- Desktop Search As a matter of interest, what is lost if one does this (as I have). Presumably running strigi indexing must have some benefit? Desktop search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) http://nepomuk.kde.org/ http://dot.kde.org/2007/04/11/road-kde-4-strigi-and-file-information-extraction And others ... gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: nfs mounts in fstab
On 01/01/2012 11:15 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: (I have line wraps here) my.server.here://nfs/store01 /home/myuser/Net01 nfs user,rw,noauto,hard,intr0 0 The problem I'm having is myuser on the client is uid:1000 (my son set up his own PC with Fedora16) on the server myuser uid:500 UID's matter more than usernames ... nfs4 has some user mapping features but I cannot speak to them. I would suggest you bite the bullet and move the uid's on server from = 500 to = 1000 (and of course match client usernames). I just did this on my servers - you should of course shut down services (sendmail, dovecot etc) before fixing the /etc/passwd and /etc/group files - then chown -R user.user XXX where XXX = /home/user, /var/mail/user etc. Before restarting services. If you have other mixed owner directories then the command chown -R --from:old_uid:old_gid uid:gid can be helpful (you can do the uid and gid separately as well if you have shared groups for example. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 01/01/2012 03:06 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: Beagle was used in the past. Currently it uses Tracker. Before the release of 3.0, Tracker could still negatively impacted performance. This was fixed before 3.0 (you can tell the kernel to give a low/idle priority for a processes IO, etc). That makes sense - the newer KDE one may be similar as I didn't notice any performance problem, but habit made me kill it quickly ... may be worth re-investigating .. thanks for followup. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 08:36 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: My desktop siezes up every hour or so; I can continue in the current desktop, but cannot change to another desktop or go to another application by clicking on an icon in the panel. The problem cures itself in 20-30 seconds, so it is not life-threatening. ... You may want to turn off nepomuk/strigi indexing ... it can be offensive at times ... and you may want to run a terminal with (h)top running which may give you a clue what app is running if any or if its something like IO problem ... failing hard drives can lead to a lack of responsiveness ... so you may want to run a smart check as well. Final thought - NFS mounts .. you have any? They can cause blips for NFS home dirs ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [mosty OT] trollfilter software
On 12/31/2011 01:58 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: I have ... written the trollfilter program: Nice project for you I'm sure .. but as I'm sure you know, procmail and just about any decent mail client can do this already ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [mosty OT] trollfilter software
Tom - Im curious - why are you using fetchmail to pull gmail via pop instead of just connecting to it via imap with your mail client? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [mosty OT] trollfilter software
On 12/31/2011 04:47 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:10:40 -0500 Genes MailLists wrote: Tom - Im curious - why are you using fetchmail to pull gmail via pop instead of just connecting to it via imap with your mail client? Because I want all my mail consolidated on my own IMAP server where I can filter it the way I want it (and have the dovecot sieve filters work the exact same way no matter which email client I use), get to it from other machines on my LAN, etc. ... I can also switch email clients at will, and all my mail is still filtered the same on my server. Ahh .. thanks ... makes sense ... :-) Especially if you make your imap server visible on the internet - then you can still get your mail anywhere. I also never use any 'mail client local storage' for anything - if I need any I my own imap server - i want to be client indifferent as well - esp from thunderbird which uses mbox format. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 06:18 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: . It was linked to the dbus bug with error messages Property get or set does not have an interface string as first arg which affected various applications, including upowerd, as in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743779. glad you tracked it down -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 08:09 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/31/2011 11:09 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: .. You may want to turn off nepomuk/strigi indexing ... it can be offensive at times ... Can you provide some info on where this is located? It sounds 'new' to me K-menu-System Settings- Desktop Search gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop stickiness under Fedora-16/KDE
On 12/31/2011 10:01 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/31/2011 08:29 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: K-menu-System Settings- Desktop Search This is a kde feature then, not in gnome? yes - tho Gnome has a similar thing - it may be called Beagle .. but I'm not sure ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting a list of applications and packages on my Fedora machine !?
So how does one get a list of all installed packages - i.e. all groups and all packages not already installed as part of any installed group? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Getting a list of applications and packages on my Fedora machine !?
I guess groups are a purely an initial install convenience and offer no advantages beyond that - in which case if one wants to ensure that an install has all packages of a previous install - then simply ignoring groups and doing yum list installed | (clever script or human) fixinstall.sh on older fedora, and copying it to new fedora install will allow one to run fixinstall.sh on the nand install any missed packages. This is what i've done for years ... groups could have shortened the script I suppose but they aren't important. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Big email mess ! How do I clean it up ? (Evolution, Thunderbird, maildir, mbox)
On 12/15/2011 08:24 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 23:56 -0700, linux guy wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Scott Doty sc...@ponzo.net wrote: And if that doesn't work, you could just use mutt -- it will read the maildirs and can save them as mboxes. :) Where does the new evolution keep them ? The default for local mail is maildirs. It used to be mboxes. You don't say what version of Evolution you're using. Earlier versions had some maildir support but it may have been buggy. One suggestion - never ever use local storage with any mail client. I recommend setting up a local imap server (dovecot works well) and use that for -all- local storage for your mail. This is a really easy thing to do. Once you do that, then you are now mail client independent - and can switch clients without any issues about how mail is stored. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dhcpd server failing to start
On 12/15/2011 04:10 PM, Claude Jones wrote:
The relevant line from my dhcpd.conf is the top one here:
subnet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.2.100 192.168.2.199;
option routers 192.168.2.1;
default-lease-time 600;
max-lease-time 7200;
From my messages log, it says:
/etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf line 9: subnet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0:
bad subnet number/mask combination.
Can anyone spot what's wrong with that subnet number/mask combo?
Try 192.168.1.0 / 255.255.255.0
gene
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Re: dhcpd server failing to start
On 12/15/2011 04:21 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
On 12/15/2011 04:10 PM, Claude Jones wrote:
The relevant line from my dhcpd.conf is the top one here:
subnet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
...
Try 192.168.1.0 / 255.255.255.0
typo - your net is 192.168.2.0 / 255.255.255.0
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Re: dhcpd server failing to start
On 12/15/2011 04:45 PM, Claude Jones wrote: I tried both suggestions, singly, and both together though I didn't think the forward slash in lieu of netmask was right. Nothing worked. It's so strange... bah sorry - the / wasn't supposed to be literal ... i just meant change the .1 to .0 to make it a proper network address. Of course the netmask key word is correct. I see you have fixed that now but have fallen into a different problem :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: abrtd - how to remove
On 12/14/2011 05:48 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: Just me being nosey. *DSL may be more correct as OP could have SDSL. OP (me I think) was actually using mobile broadband at the time .. :-) so neither really ... not that it matters much ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 16's Performance
On 12/14/2011 12:41 PM, Lawrence Graves wrote: I just re-installed Fedora 16 on my desktop and before the re-install every thing was running fine. Now Gnome3 is freezing and nautilus is having trouble opening and the list goes on. I agree with Christopher and Cox, maybe there needs to be a slow down on the eye candy and work on a solid foundation for the eye candy to run on. It seems that we are falling into the cart before horse syndrome. -- Babies and bath water ... so to speak .. Gnome 3 is a new DE .. its gonna have a lot of growing pains ... if you're having trouble with it you can sit there and help nurse and burp the gas out of it .. or you can switch DE's to something more stable (XFCE and KDE seem to be the more popular choices). If your issues go beyond the DE then bring those issues up as well - there are lots of experts and even some expertise on here :-) But change happens and will continue to happen - not too long before wayland will start to appear for example ... and of course someone will want to change some system daemon to do things better and there is no doubt that will drive ya bonkers too :-) In the meantime, strap in and enjoy the ride ... gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: abrtd - how to remove
On 12/14/2011 09:41 PM, Dario Lesca wrote: Il giorno mar, 13/12/2011 alle 07.57 -0500, Genes MailLists ha scritto: That said - how do I remove it? # yum remove abrt I had no such package before or after ... yet abrtd ran anyway .. the only reference in the package database was to abrt-libs which I subsequently removed. Thanks for the thought ... (F15) g -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
abrtd - how to remove
I just had the lovely experience of abrt trying to be helpful - a GUI crash - and wanting to download 1.2 GB of debuginfo files including things it quite obviously (to a human) does not need. I think abrtd needs help with its decisions ... it appears way too naive in the debuginfo files it needs. That said - how do I remove it? I removed abrt-libs - is that sufficient? Or is there an abrtd daemon that somehow needs to be removed ... F15 thanks gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is there a Linux file-safe for Fedora's home file..?
On 12/13/2011 07:59 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: This works if you have a single-user system, but it's not great if you have a shared machine. I think he's asking for a file vault of some sort where you can maintain your own home directory as encrypted separate from the whole filesystem. I'm not currently aware of any such mechanism in Fedora, but I'd be interested to find out if I'm wrong. FYI - fuse encfs will do this - but, like all things fuse, its horribly slow in my view ... I have used it for keeping a single directory within /home/user/private I much prefer luks tho ... as you say different purpose. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why is PackageKit needed for abrt?
On 12/13/2011 09:21 AM, mike cloaked wrote: Indeed so - however it is not unusual for abrt to require pulling in several hundred megabytes of debuginfo stuff in order to file a report - and I wonder if that might put a significant number of users off and abandon completing the report at that point, particularly if they have limited bandwidth available for downloads? This may already be inhibiting the provision of some fraction of important abrt entries? It would be interesting to hear other people's view on this aspect? In my opinion abrtd should not download any debuginfo's on the users machine - zero. As long as the developers have the debuginfo the tracebacks are useful - so there's no point in forcing users (devs can download whatever they need) to download any debugging. That said, Alan Cox mentioned in a different thread that there is a version of abrtd which sends the data to a server (which has all debuginfo files) to analyze - that is better in my view. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: abrtd - how to remove
On 12/13/2011 01:39 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/13/2011 03:26 PM, Alan Cox wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 07:57:54 -0500 Genes MailListsli...@sapience.com wrote: I just had the lovely experience of abrt trying to be helpful - a GUI crash - and wanting to download 1.2 GB of debuginfo files including things it quite obviously (to a human) does not need. It's not bright in some cases. Just tell it not to. The newest version of abrt will upload dumps to a server to crunch instead which is a lot more sociable. Which file sizes are you talking about? If these files are getting too big, users with, say GSM or low-bandwidth upstream connections may disagree. At least around here, it's common that a home user's DSL or cable connection's upstream bandwidth is a magnitude smaller than his downstream bandwidth. Ralf The files which are costly are the debuginfo packages. So, the traceback file is only a few KB - while the debuginfo is more like 1.2 GB (in my case) ... so 3 orders of magnitude larger .. so even if your upload is 10 times slower you're still 100 times better off. Plus - whatever data caps are in play (mobile broadband) will be more impacted by the GB download than the small 1k upload upload ... gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora causes laptop to overheat
On 12/11/2011 10:48 PM, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 20:35:31 PM +0100, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: one of the things I noticed rather fast was how much cooler my system runs under XP... The HDD becomes unreasonably hot I am noticing similar behavior (and the consequent much shorter battery time) on a HP Pavilion g6-1273sl with these hw components: This is often due to dual graphics cards - the problem arises when one is being used you think (say the intel i915) - the other one is actually not off unless you work at it. The problem I saw solved used vga switcheroo to turn off the second card - this was a bit manual as i recall (was also HP laptop). Symptom was same - very very bad battery life, and enormous temps. You can check this using powertop app and see where the battery is going. If you are have lenovo, you can solve this by turning second card off in bios - sadly HP does not seem to offer that option ... gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Maintaining Users Passwords Through an Upgrade
On 12/10/2011 10:29 AM, johnc0...@verizon.net wrote: I maintain a server with a number of users, and just recently upgraded to Fedora 16 from Fedora 11. I did a clean install so all of the users now have to reset their passwords. The question I have is: what is the preferred method of managing user passwords so that their passwords will carry over to the new installation? Should I set up a NIS server on the machine? Would that maintain the passwords across the upgrades? You could - or you could use LDAP (preferred but more complicated) or the simplest is you could keep the user parts of /etc/password shadow group gshadow and edit them back into the fresh install files. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Maintaining Users Passwords Through an Upgrade
On 12/10/2011 10:44 AM, johnc0...@verizon.net wrote: I did save the password and shadow file, but it looks like the seed for the hash function changes through the upgrade. I admit that I didn't try using old files, though. The old hashes are still supported - tho you could encourage your users to refresh their passwords and pick up the new hash. dont forget the group files too ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Partition Management
On 02/12/2011 03:55, Mike Dwiggins wrote: My wife's machine is a full up FC14 x86_64 and I now have the joy of trying to put windows XP on due to constraints at her work. I figured no problem, Install windows from scratch and constrain the partition size and reinstall Fedora. Windows setup craps out with an error message saying the drive is corrupted. The best I can figure is that it can't for some reason overwrite Fedora. Any clues on how to clear enough space for Windows or erase the disk so I can make it a dual boot in the normal fashion? Thanks Mike D. parted magic (similar to gparted) I found to be very nice tool - download the ISO, burn and boot. http://partedmagic.com gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Partition Management
On 12/01/2011 09:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: why dual boot this days? windows XP on due to constraints at her work sounds not like playing 3d games and all other things are running fine in a virtual machine, most time faster than a physical winxp, without driver troubles and you can take the winxp to the next computer as any other data-file Yep - good point - I am running it in a VM (I use Oracle's virtualbox) works very well indeed - and it boots a lot faster - and you get all the advantages of a VM such as disk snapshots, easy ability to copy the entire VM and boot on different machine etc .. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mkfs.ext4: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size
On 11/29/2011 02:54 PM, jackson byers wrote: trying to format a partition as ext4 getting following error [root@f14 ~]# mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdc7 mke2fs 1.41.12 (17-May-2010) mkfs.ext4: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size [root@f14 ~]# I did this same command earlier today and it worked. Since then, I made some kind of error copying to that partition, after it was mounted to /mnt/sdc7. So I was trying to reformat. try this: # yum install gparted # gparted It will help you. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora - time to blink
On 11/27/2011 11:18 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/27/2011 09:10 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: Actually, I have to disagree with you on that. What works or not is *partially* subjective, especially when it comes to user experience. There are some things that just don't work, period. I don't think you will find any real consensus on what doesnt work in say GNOME 3.x. Just using a few loud people in any list isn't useful. You will have to do a fairly extensive user interface research with samples from non technical users fully new to the user interface to conclude anything meaningful. I don't expect anyone will step up to do that and hence what we will get is almost fully subjective. In the past some surveys were done - and some complained that the sample was biased - whether by fedora users or users who subscribe to the mailing lists - but the complainers were generally those who disagreed with the outcome :-) Not scientific at all - and whilst I have heard of a small number of users on mailing lists etc who like the G3.2 tablet approach (hearsay) ... ... I can definitely speak to quite a few people who were gnome users .. and all of them have abandoned it for KDE or XFCE ... small sample and not meaningful for sure ... One thing all the users I know have in common - they use their computers for more than browsing/email. Some program (web dev or c/c++ developers, kernel coders), some use it for business, others for other work). Some manage computers for others. From my experience, its more than 'a few loud people' as suggested above. Many are very quiet in fact .. and just move on. The users on the fedora lists are definitely a subset of all users, but I suspect they are nonetheless reasonably representative of the majority either directly or because the manage computers for others. Some use it as a heads up for RHEL as well ... whats coming down the pike is useful for planning purposes. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora - time to blink
On 11/27/2011 07:09 PM, suvayu ali wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 00:57, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: Or the default DE choice could rotate for each release --- XFCE for F17, LXDE for F18, KDE for F19, Gnome3 for F20, and over again, in turns. That way each DE would have equal amount of visibility among users, more bugs would get fixed, etc. This is actually a very nice idea. And I believe it fits in with the goals of Fedora, forwarding the progress of FOSS. After all Gnome is not the only FOSS desktop, by far. Maybe you can suggest this on the desktop list? (is that the appropriate list?) Be aware that a significant number of gnome devs are @ RH ... not sure what the politics is but the gap between upstream and fedora is not as great as may appear sometimes - much like systemd ... and previous calls to re-consider the default DE have met with rather a lot of silence so far ... or suggestions to file bugs, contribute patches or perhaps even become a gnome dev. Not once that I recall has the response been sure - lets make KDE the default DE ... That saod. I'd be delighted, albeit surprised, if any progress was made on this front. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
speed of yum
I happened upon pacman on Arch linux - and it appeared to be substantially faster than yum. Now this was casual visual impact only - no formal tests using similar packages and same computer etc - but it was very much noticeably faster. Installs of even large packages seemed to fly compared to what I was used to from yum. Of course it could be difference in systems, or xz compression versus presto or who knows what else ... but it leads me to ask ... Are there any good performance benchmarks comparing yum with pacman and apt etc? gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Suddenly cups does not run on boot
On 11/26/2011 10:36 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: Suddenly cups is not stared on boot on the machine that is my printseerver. (F16) Now when I run systems-analyze blame cups.service is not one of the services that appears in the printout. However, systemd says the cups.service is enabled. If I restart the service things work again. Where can I look to fix the problem? This sounds like cups is trying to start before the network is up - kinda sounds like a cups systemd init file is awry ... just a guess tho ... i have vague recollections of similar sounding issue and had thought it was resolved tho .. check bz to be sure tho' . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora - time to blink
On 11/26/2011 12:13 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: I never had a problem burning DVD(-RW)+- with xfburn\Xfce in F14\15\16. Curious - does xfburn use wodim or growisofs? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora - time to blink
On 11/26/2011 05:07 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: No idea, Where possible I stick to gui. But out of curiosity: ~$ rpm -q wodim growisofs wodim-1.1.11-8.fc16.x86_64 package growisofs is not installed Try this instead: rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/bin/growisofs dvd+rw-tools-7.1-5.fc14.x86_64 (this is on F15 - for some reason I have never understoon - some packages dont get rebuilt and/or repackages ... ) gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora - time to blink
On 11/26/2011 05:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/27/2011 03:50 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: Try this instead: rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/bin/growisofs dvd+rw-tools-7.1-5.fc14.x86_64 (this is on F15 - for some reason I have never understoon - some packages dont get rebuilt and/or repackages ... ) Simple: Packages don't rebuilt unless there is a necessity to do so Rahul Ok - simple, well fine, but beyond the obvious duh here, define necessity please? (Rhetorical) How do you (or maintainers) know with certainty that there isn't a header file dependence, or a compiler change that would lead to a faster (or a bug for that matter). Is that a necessity if someone has verified working functionality of an older binary - no probably not - (tho I have no idea if such testing occurs) but it will lead to bugs being found sooner and any benefits from compiler improvements etc being taken advantage of. And frankly, its a bad operational decision to defer full builds. Further - it just plain 'looks' better for f15 packages to be called f15. Necessity? Probably not - is it a good idea to wait until a problem occurs as the decision to rebuild - also probably not. One man's simple is another man's food for thought. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Recomend a colour laser printer
On 11/23/2011 05:31 PM, Steve Searle wrote: After battling for a couple of years with my cheap Dell 1320c printer I have decided to throw in the towel as I can't get a 64bit Linux driver for it. Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced network colour laser printer that works well with Fedora 16 x64? Let me know what you have if it works well. Thanks Any postsctript printer will work fine with any linux. There are several choices - xerox 6100 has a list price of USD 299 - HP makes several models too ... check the specs. I've had good experience with both of those brands. [removing cross post to defunct fedora-lists] -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Recomend a colour laser printer
On 11/24/2011 10:14 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: There are several choices - xerox 6100 has a list price of USD 299 - make that xerox 6010 .. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16: GDM user list, only show GDM logins
On 11/23/2011 08:03 AM, Rich Boyce wrote: Hello list, I'm rolling out F16 in a enterprise (well, academic) environment, and I need to get the GDM user list to only show users that have logged in via GDM. At the moment it also shows users that have logged in via SSH. I know that the new GDM uses systemd-logind to list its known users, but I haven't been able to find out how to configure either GDM or systemd-logind to list just GDM users (or just users assigned to a 'seat', as SSH users apparently are not). Is there a configuration option for this? I'm not keen to move to kdm. Curious why you're not 'keen to move' to kdm? Best I can tell, it is pretty nice and configurable ... have you had problems with it? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: mount command absurdly verbose?
How about something like this (fix line wrap) use -se instead of -s if
you prefer:
# cat mydf
#/bin/bash
df ${@} $(findmnt -s| egrep -v
'^TARGET|^swap|^/sys|^/proc|^/dev/pts|^/dev/shm' | awk '{ printf(%s ,
$1)}')
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Re: Gnome Shell periodically locks up hard in F16
On 11/19/2011 12:33 AM, Deron Meranda wrote: Since upgrading to Fedora 16, I have experienced several periodic hard lock-ups of the Gnome Shell session. I never experienced such behaviour in F15. I am wondering if anybody else is seeing something similar or may have advice, or can suggest a better way for me to gather useful debugging information should it happen again. .. Otherwise, I don't have much else to report at this point. Any help to figure this out would be appreciated. Thanks. The symptoms you describe are strongly suggestive of a bug with the gnome window manager itself (shell?) which very likely has crashed - the mouse events continue to be handled by X itself but consumption by the window manager not being available. I wonder if its possible to ssh in to your semi-frozen computer and point gdb at the appropriate process? If you can indeed ssh in then it would be interesting to run top and see if there is a process stuck in a loop or if (as seems most likely) the window manager itself has crashed and died - in which case restarting it may well revive the desktop. In the latter case - please attach gdb to the process (from your remote ssh login) and leave it running until the next crash - then get a backtrace - that should be helpful to the gnome-shell devs. gene [PS please don't cross post to fedora-list@redhat - its a dead list] -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnome Shell periodically locks up hard in F16
On 11/19/2011 12:32 PM, Jon Ingason wrote: This not an yum command. Just do: debuginfo-install gnome-shell-3.2.1-2.fc16.x86_64 Read man debuginfo-install. what (s)he said above. Hopefully you can get a trace when it crashes ... that will help the gnome devs. a ton ... good luck. gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problems with DNS name server in Fedora 16
One option is simply to have all your hosts use your own DNS server. You may want to run a second slave server. Now you will be authoritative for your internal domain and it will answer for outside zones as well - very probably faster than your ISP anyway. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16 Printer Setup
On 11/14/2011 10:52 AM, Tim Waugh wrote: On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 10:13 -0500, Tim Evans wrote: The ability to configure network printers using the GNOME System Settings program is fairly basic at the moment. You may have more luck with system-config-printer (Applications - Other - Printing). Or perhaps connect directly to cups with a browser via: http://localhost:631 Has generally worked well for me ... (firewalling issues aside) gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16 GDM: Howto disable user-list, change background, enable date?
On 11/14/2011 09:44 PM, Patrick Lists wrote: Hi, After making some changes to my F15 kickstart file I succeeded in installing F16 on my laptop. Unfortunately some things that worked in my F15 kickstart file don't work with F16: How do I disable the user list (aka face browser) in the F16 GDM startup screen? How do I change the background in the F16 GDM startup screen? How do I show the date in the F16 GDM startup screen I tried finding the appropriate dconf/gconf voodoo but the Gnome developers did an excellent job of hiding the solution :) I cannot speak to anything too new - but in the days of yore - gdm user list could be turned off via: (ignore line wraps obvioosly). I long ago switched to kdm where all things are configurable and 'just work' ... perhaps you tried this and need the new dconf way? 1) remove user list: gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --type bool --set /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/disable_user_list true http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=205633 regards gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16 GDM: Howto disable user-list, change background, enable date?
On 11/14/2011 10:21 PM, Patrick Lists wrote: Thank you for your feedback. I tried that one and it did not work. Perhaps the setting is hidden in dconf. The search continues... You may want to try kdm - it doesn't have security implications from information leakage ... gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On 11/11/2011 09:27 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: \ systemd replaces numerical runlevels with named targets. Apart from that, it works very similar to how chkconfig works under the hood. chkconfig --level 3 squid off essentially just does rm /etc/rc3.d/squid. chkconfig --level 5 squid on just translates to ln -sf /etc/init.d/squid /etc/rc5.d/. The systemd way is very similar: rm -f /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/squid.service ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/squid.service /etc/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/ systemctl daemon-reload -T.C. Perhaps there is a systemctl option to remove and reset the soft link? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16--Something went wrong in Gnome...
On 11/10/2011 01:28 AM, antonio montagnani wrote: Tim ha scritto / said the followingil giorno/on 10/11/2011 06:16: And doing a relabel twice is hardly likely to produce a different result. because I am not sure that he effectively switched from Selinux=targeted to Selinux=disabled (maybe he left permissive) and he should have relabelled effectively: and for a standard user I guess that the graphical procedure and rebooting is far easier than the command line. That's it The labels are the same whether policy is permissive or targetted - they latter only change the consequences. Also the selinux GUI config can change the policy taking effect without a reboot (just like the command line setenforce). gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is btrfs ready to be default fs in F17 ?
On 11/06/2011 12:11 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Right now btrfs is not a production fs. In 18 months maybe, in six months the bits like fsck may exist in a usable form but I don't believe there will be enough testing history to be sure. It took a very very long time to get the reiserfs fsck usable and it was never really 100%. Btrfs is a similar challenge, if not in fact a larger one in some respects. Alan is dead on - btfrs should absolutely not be the default fs in fedora / RHEL - its not ready yet, and Chris Mason seems to say exactly the same thing - and he should know. That said - of course anyone willing to use it - great - go ahead the more testers the better :-) gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Persistent WIFI connection
On 10/27/2011 12:39 AM, Weydson Lima wrote: Hey there, I have a portable 4G device which is my main device to connect to the Internet. Whenever I return home with my device I have to manually connect all my Fedora boxes to my 4G device as they are not able to connect automatically. What's the proper way to set my boxes to connect automatically when my device is in range? I have already checked the setting to connect automatically in the gnome-control-center tool, but it doesn't seem to do anything in my case. I no longer use Gnome - but KDE works perfectly in this case - tho frankly I'm a little surprised as Gnome certainly used to work fine and they both use the same underlying NetworkManager. You could try KDE just to see if that works - if not then its likely something deeper than the DE applet. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Persistent WIFI connection
On 10/27/2011 07:03 PM, Weydson Lima wrote: I do have that option enabled. I guess my solution is to have a script that runs periodically to check for my device's wifi?! I googled a lot about that but couldn't find anyone that implemented something similar. Also - obvious point, but be sure your 4G Mifi box itself is not asleep due to inactivity right? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT? want to connect my router to a wireless network
On 10/27/2011 08:01 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: I have a Linksys wrt54G V8 wireless 4-port router. I need to connect to a wireless access point through this router's radio and then share the connection to the wired units in my office. It would also be nice if I could set up the router to be a repeater for the incoming wifi connection. F14 in use on the workstation, various others sometimes in use. I know this is not necessarily the best list but where would be better? (1) With dd-wrt firmware you can use the wrt54g to connect to the wifi access point and bridge the network to the wired ports - [1] (2) not sure you can then use same radio to be a 'repeater' - but for a few bucks you could use the wired connection to be the internet for another wifi router and together the pair of them would be a pseudo-repeater of the original wifi - it probably would need to be a different SSID than the original otherwise it might confuse the dd-wrt which might want to connect to the closer one - so not true repeater - however you'd have wifi at least even tho SSID is different. i.e. you could not roam from original AP to your repeater without changing wireless networks ... maybe someone else has a better suggestion .. gene [1] I have used dd-wrt to do exactly this even when the original wifi required 802.1x authentication. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: remeber non broadcasted SSID
On 10/25/2011 06:20 AM, Jeronimo Calvo wrote: So there is not actual way of having the net manager remember the settings when not broadcasted then? Thanks a lot! You didn't say if you're using gnome or kde or something else. I use KDE on F15 and also have to deal with hidden SSID - and KDE network applet remembers it and works just fine. The passphrase is remembered and I have no issues. YMMV. gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: remeber non broadcasted SSID
On 10/25/2011 07:56 AM, Jeronimo Calvo wrote: You didn't say if you're using gnome or kde or something else. Im currently using F15 with Gnome3 Try KDE - it seems to work fine for me (tho as was already mentioned, if you have control over the AP it makes more sense to broadcast SSID ... there are zero security benefits from not doing so). gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
bluetooth problems F15
F15 - I notice that on my laptop - sometimes - not always - bluetooth stops working after a wake from sleep. It works most of the time, and always works on a fresh reboot - but I usually sleep my laptop unless I'm rebooting a new kernel. Bluetooth works again by restarting: systemctl restart bluetooth.service I have standard F15 bluez.x86_64 version 4.87-7.fc15. I note that there are newer versions (4.96) but not for F15 for some reason. The bug looks similar to this one https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=716509 but this has had no activity since the original bz 5 months ago. Anyone else aware of issues or resolutions? Thanks .. gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: more attempts to resolve NSF issues
One question - is this the only export which would be available to the client in question? Is it possible there are others which for some reason may be interfering (I have seen this issue in the past with overlapping exports). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS issues
On 10/22/2011 08:07 PM, Gerhard Magnus wrote: Is this the right mount command? mount -t nfs 192.168.1.14:/home/magnusg/Music /home/magnusg/Music I get this error message: mount.nfs: Connection timed out Are you seeing anything in the server logs? Either selinux (sealert -b) or /var/log/messages? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS issues
On 10/22/2011 08:43 PM, Gerhard Magnus wrote: I didn't get anything running sealert -b. The widget SELinux Alert Browser showed no alerts. In /var/log/messages I get this message repeated at intervals: Oct 22 17:37:49 PuteB mount[1460]: mount to NFS server '192.168.1.14' failed: Connection refused, retrying This sounds like its on the client machine - was hoping for logs from the NFS server .. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora15 focus issues.
On 10/13/2011 12:35 AM, Hardik Soni-Ennovate wrote: Yes KDE resolves that problem but i dont want to use KDE i m a Gnome user, and i have to use Gnome compulsory,so is there any solution with Gnome theme. Good - now you have confirmed it as a bug with Gnome - please file a bug report and hopefully it will get fixed. Your problem sounds pretty unique but perhaps others have seen similar things. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora15 focus issues.
On 10/12/2011 07:35 AM, Hardik Soni-Ennovate wrote: Hi All, I am using Fedora15 with the Gnome theme, but the problem I am facing is that, When ever i run my Installer which is built using the InstallJammer so at the time of installation, the first window of installer hides behind the Current Window, even if my installation window hides behind the current window if i do 1) Alt + space its working on my installation window not on current window. 2) Alt + F4 it closes my installation window which was hides behind the current window. 3) If i switch to another work station and come back to the previous work station then it will display the installation window on the top. So, from that above observation i think that my window is on top but the Gnome is not displaying it on the Top. Is it a bug in Gnome for Fedora 15 or what ?? Any one has any suggestion or idea. Hardik Try another DE .. I'd suggest either KDE or XFCE ... see if that resolves your problem. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window
On 10/12/2011 11:35 AM, Alessandro Brezzi wrote: Hi, in my opinion, Larry is right : the question must be addressed to the Gnome dev team. But, as long time Fedora / RedHat user, I must agree with Sam : Fedora *MUST* be filled by default with all the gnome-shell* / gconf* stuff. To much time spent looking around to customize my desktop As many have said and done - if it hurts don't use G-3. Use KDE or XFCE instead, which offer much configurability upon you ... :-) G-3 (along with KDE, XFCE, LXDE etc) is an alternative to Gnome-2 not an update. Choose the alternative which best suits your needs. G-2 is no longer available. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FC15 Upgrade Gnome Issue Dell Inspiron = Make Gnome a tablet spin
On 10/04/2011 02:35 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/03/2011 08:08 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Gnome Shell - a tablet/phone like window system - won't run without decent 3D support - if 3D graphics not available it drops down to simpler interface. For some reason its the default DE on F15 even if not on a tablet PC. Gnome Shell is the default WM for Gnome 3, and Fedora is Gnome-centric. This being so, what other DE would you expect to be the default? I think polling the users might be interesting - indeed a tablet GUI is great to have and I'm all for it ... for tablets .. not the default, since most, if not all, fedora users have laptops, servers, or desktops. Servers need a robust non-GUI so not important for DE question. I'd pick KDE - many folks like XFCE .. KDE is a little more modern and its quite configurable (as is XFCE), which is something most who are responsible for managing computers strongly favor. I suggest we switch the Gnome shell to a tablet spin - though Android may be a tough competitor if RH hopes to commercialize it. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FC15 Upgrade Gnome Issue Dell Inspiron
On 10/03/2011 06:09 PM, Tod Thomas wrote: I burned the DVD version of the distro so I could update an old dell Inspiron 600M laptop from FC13. It seemed to go well until I rebooted then a message flashed by saying something about Gnome3 and comparability with older displays. I get a Gnome desktop but its not working quite right. Gnome and hence Fedora 15 have eliminated Gnome-2. You must now choose one of the alternate shells. KDE - modern, configurable, generally works well. LXDE / XFCE - lightweight similar to gnome 2 / configurable Gnome Shell - a tablet/phone like window system - won't run without decent 3D support - if 3D graphics not available it drops down to simpler interface. For some reason its the default DE on F15 even if not on a tablet PC. Choose one - go with whatever suits your taste - Gnome 2 has been retired so its no longer an option. Have fun! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users
On 09/28/2011 11:34 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: * How to get rid of gdm and what to replace it with? Gdm had always been a major nuissance, which had never worked flawlessly, so I am inclined to use switching to xfce as an oportunty to get rid of it, as well. I switched to KDM a while back - works fine for me just put it in to /etc/sysconfig/desktop DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: School me on server hard drive management. (Hot swap, SATA channels, LVM, backup, etc.)
On 09/29/2011 12:26 AM, linux guy wrote: I'm building a home server that will run a MythTV backend, zoneminder ... Questions 3) How does one mount the drives for the OS to access ? I know all about the mount command and auto mounting, etc, but how do I reference the drives ? mount the drives by UUID or by Label - just like fedora installer does. Use the 'e2label' command to label a disk and simply put something like this in your fstab (for example) LABEL=MythBackup /mnt/mythback ... If you prefer UUID the blkid command will help. 4) How should I approach data backup ? Right now I have about 250 GB of nearly irreplaceable digital images. RAID ? Periodic backup to a (rotated, stored off site) hard drive via the hot swap slot in the case ? whether you RAID or not, I'd suggest backing up to 1 or more USB drives using rdiff-backup (or just rsync if you prefer). I double backup to USB drives .. if using rdiff-backup you may want to trim the incrementals to the last few months or whatever. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users
On 09/27/2011 08:00 AM, Ian Malone wrote: On 27 September 2011 14:37, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: Because the Gnome devs are preferring not to listen to their former users' complaints and prefer to furtherly isolate themselves in their devine ivory cathedral's tower? Can't really say this until we've been through a few iterations of Gnome 3 in the wild. Ok - then in the meantime can we make a Gnome-3 the fedora-tablet spin (or whatever you want to call it) and change the default DE to KDE or XFCE? How do we go about exploring making that happen for F17 (seems too late for F16 - or is it?) Is this a FESCO thing? A vote thing .. what? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote: Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here. The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account for the fact that computers are extending beyond the model borne out of Xerox PARC... a keyboard, screen and mouse. They are attempting to satisfy display scenarios that might be as small as a telephone to very large and often multiple large displays. They are attempting to satisfy the fact that keyboards and mice might be eschewed in favor of touch input and gestures. They are attempting to satisfy the notion that usage embraces work flow and workspace(s) and not just application launching. Its one thing to add tablet/phone (metro) mode - its another to make laptops (or desktops) much more difficult to use. You can't go to the Ford dealer and buy a brand new 1957 Thunderbird but essentially that is what is being asked of here... an eternal version of GNOME that was envisioned and started 10 years ago. Problem with argument by analogy is that it often makes little sense. Every car you buy still has wheels just as the very first ones did (support for keyboard) .. and they all have a steering wheel (a mouse) ... and they all have an engine and a speedometer ... what has happened to cars is largely additions and automation to make things easier (headlamps that track steering - they wisely did not remove headlamps) - switch to LED lights (not remove lights) ... add auto-back-off cruise control for collision avoidance (not force mouse to move to top left) ... etc ect I can appreciate that long time computer users who only use a keyboard, mouse and screen and little adaptability to how they interact with grander concepts of work flow and workspace might want to drive the 1957 Thunderbird forever and if there is a sufficient number of modestly skilled users, they can keep repairing the Thunderbird forever. I wish them luck. Its not the users - its the vehicle - when I'm using a phone/tablet i'll use the tablet version... when I'm using my multi core server I have no touch sensitive screen ... when I'm flying a plane I'll use different controls than driving a car (or a boat). Don't force me to use boat controls for my plane if you don't mind :-) I would take your point really to mean we should offer a phone/tablet spin as well as a lap/desk top spin. The default spin ... I have no view ... however only having a phone spin for fedora is silly. Of course we have the other DE's which are better suited - so my suggestion is move Gnome-3 to a tablet spin and make KDE or LXDE or XFCE the desktop spin and be done with this silly bickering. Vote for which is the default spin or base it on percent of tablets/phones running fedora if you prefer. Gnome 3 is not -the- future - its just todays tablet spin ... Then again, even the most casual reading of the intent of Fedora makes it clear that it embraces the latest technology advances and those who just want things to remain as they are should probably not be using Fedora but something like RHEL or CentOS which provide long term non-change by intent. One must use the right tool for the job - the latest here is the phone spin - doesn't mean we should switch that for all devices ... lets not pretend you're gonna hold your laptop up to your face and make a call ... are you? :-) gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
On 09/24/2011 05:20 PM, Craig White wrote: lets not pretend you're gonna hold your laptop up to your face and make a call ... are you? You seem to be conveniently ignoring the context. Craig So did you a bit - I put a smiley in there ... my comment was light hearted ... and the smiley was to make that clear ... the vision of an ipad held to ones cheek makes me smile anyway ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: selinux is a pain
On 09/20/2011 02:13 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Dienstag, den 20.09.2011, 08:14 -0300 schrieb Martín Marqués: My question is, how many people are using selinux? 60,8% [1] Regards, Christoph [1] http://smolts.org/static/stats/stats.html I see 68.6 % in enforcing mode ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
On 09/16/2011 12:57 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: impression of Gnome-3 Sorry - what is this Gnome-3 thing? Perhaps that is indeed its fate .. 'Hey, you remember the Gnome 3 experiment?' ... 'No sorry- never heard of it .. is it something for the lawn or a comedic horror movie?' :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: reaching a server behind a NAT
On 09/08/2011 06:52 AM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: did you tried your NAS in DMZ mode ( add your NAS IP in DMZ mode on router ) ??? is it working ?? Will try that when I get home, sitting at a lecture right now Security comment - I assume you don't actually care that your NAS is exposed directly to the internet? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On 09/08/2011 09:32 AM, Pedro Francisco wrote: Too much work. I'd recommend either Gnome's fallback mode or use a taskbar like tint2, which is what I'm doing now :) It makes far more sense to do what many have already done and switch to a stable and configurable DE that better suits your needs. Seriously, Gnome 2 is dead - move on. Choose one of the alternatives - [Gnome 3 or] KDE or LXDE or XFCE or ... Everyone is required to change - if you don't like G-3 there are several great DE's ... fedora makes it super easy to try them - then pick the one that suits your needs. Fiddling and diddling and painting the donkey to look like a horse wont get you a horse :-) If indeed G-3 is targeted at the tablet market as some say, then perhaps one day it will be able to compete against Android, perhaps that will be its home. For those who use their computers for real work (not just browsing and tweeting) the other DE's offer a superior environment (for many). In fact, I would suggest that G-3 be changed to a tablet spin and lets make KDE the default DE for [lap/desk]/tops. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: reaching a server behind a NAT
On 09/05/2011 11:20 AM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: Hey all, sorry if this is not purely Fedora related, but I was hoping I might get some feedback anyhow from someone who knows more than I do. I have this: A NAT-configured router between my house and the internet. A NAS behind the router. A dyndns account, set up and pointing to the global address of the router. I want to be able to reach the NAS from the internet. However, trying to do so (including attempts to bind to specific ports on the NAS) simply do not work, and I cannot tell why. I have set up the router to port-forward the correct portcalls to the NAS, but that does not solve anything. I'm not sure I really understand your needs/goals - but if you're looking to access your NAS server (NFS?) files over the internet you may want something more like a vpn solution rather than opening up the box to the internet (sounds insecure to me) If you you have a computer on the inside that sees the NAS files, you could also forward a high port to the ssh port on that computer - then use ssh to pull/push files ... some graphical file browsers know how to use ssh to make the remote files 'appear' local in your GUI. I'd prefer this be a computer behind the firewall rather than the firewall itself - ditto for an VPN exercise. gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: reaching a server behind a NAT
On 09/05/2011 11:20 AM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: Hey all, sorry if this is not purely Fedora related, but I was hoping I might get some feedback anyhow from someone who knows more than I do. I have this: A NAT-configured router between my house and the internet. A NAS behind the router. A dyndns account, set up and pointing to the global address of the router. I want to be able to reach the NAS from the internet. However, trying to do so (including attempts to bind to specific ports on the NAS) simply do not work, and I cannot tell why. One question - when you're testing this are you trying from an outside internet account ? If you're trying to test this from within your internal network (even via the outside public IP) it likely wont work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [fedora] dd
On 09/04/2011 10:53 AM, xinyou yan wrote: I am not sure what the problem is. The following works for me: tar cf archive.tar first tar -rf archive.tar second Yes it can , But tar czf tar rzf can't work Second : For what its worth tar understands gzip/bzip2 tar files automatically ... you can see this touch foo1 foo2 tar cjf foo.tbz foo1 foo2# creates a bzip'd tar file tar tf foo.tbz # lists contents no 'j' flag needed -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Vote to extend F14 security updates
On 09/02/2011 01:42 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On 09/02/2011 06:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote: I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully. That doesn't make sense; extending support for F14 creates more work for developers with already busy schedules. That would translate into less time spent on F16 (or F15 updates or post-F16 rawhide, i.e. what will become F17). 1) The argument is not completely wrong (not that I think supporting F14 will happen or even makes sense - but for other reasons - see below) - * The Gnome 3 devs (who are in large part redhat) would spend zero time supporting F14 Gnome 2 in this case * neither would the systemd team (lennart) do any F14 work (obviously) * however it would take time from the kernel team ... and others ... that said, it may make some sense to update the kernel on F14. 2) Most people who are not happy with Gnome 3 have simply dropped it for other DE's - Gnome 3 is not a rational reason for continued support of F14. Gnome 2 is dead - whether you move to KDE, XFCE, LXDE or Gnome Shell or anything else - none of them will be Gnome 2 or ever bring back Gnome 2 - its dead/gone sitting with the fishes .. move on ... Problems with systemd (if you have any) might be ... but Gnome 3 is not a valid reason to hold resources supporting F14 in my view. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
On 08/29/2011 08:07 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 30.08.2011 02:05, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk said: If you want to erase your drive, issue a secure erase command. It's as simple as that. Is there a simple way to do that on Linux? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/your/device Check the documentation for: hdparm --secure-erase and/or --security-erase-enhanced gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Kernel upgrades?
On 08/23/2011 08:15 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 08:22 +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: Just to provide a more complete answer: the issue with trying to use a 3.x kernel on Fedora 14 (or Fedora 15) is that a large number of applications and kernel models are designed to expect the 2.x version number. They fail to parse the 3.x version and will not run properly. This has mostly been worked out for Fedora 16 packages, but the effort has not been backported to F14 and F15. So I'd recommend that what you probably want to do is to take the SRPM for the 2.6.40.3 kernel from Fedora 15 and rebuild it for F14. You may possibly need these as well: procps, mdadm, device-mapper and module-init-tools from F15 as well ... I'd compare the F14 and F15 versions -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Kernel upgrades?
On 08/23/2011 09:05 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: In addition to the 3.x parsing problem, it was my impression that kernel upgrades turned out more problematic than usual since the moment graphic stuff was moved into the kernel. This has created more dependency between the kernel and some X and Mesa parts, especially considering the great pace of development of this code (nouveau etc.). Isn't this the real reason F14 is stuck at 2.6.35? Yes - definitely correct .. I forgot about that - you'll need to also update all of mesa and maybe some of X too ... The simplest way to do this ... may just be to install F15 .. :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: howto lock DNS number in /etc/resolv.conf
On 08/21/2011 11:44 AM, james tate wrote: domain= 2wire.net search = 2wire.net nameserver 172.16.0.1 (which is the gateway of the router) 2wire.net is the website of modem manufacturer , not a DNS serve. The 'domain' field is not a server - it is what is used if you ask for DNS lookup but dont give the full name - e.g. you DNS lookup XXX Then it will try XXX.2wire.net If you ask for XXX.com the domain field plays no role. This is causing conflicts with a number of website. It can not get the DNS numbers. Unlikely to be the problem. It is possible however that the DNS on the router is a problem - or your ISP DNS (which it uses) is a problem. And lastly it is a old modem/router that will only allow WEP configuration I'am going to buy a Actiontec GT784WN modem/router to use with atT Sure WEP is insecure ... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
