RedHat popup advert
Hi, guys, I was just looking at some links as I do everyday, and came across this one: http://venturebeat.com/2016/07/17/forget-learning-to-code-every-employe e-should-know-data-analysis/ Where a popup advert for RedHat popped up and covered more than one third of the page. Moreover, the close X was on the right top margin and quite small. I have vision issues, and it took me some time to find and close that ad so I could read the article. It's shameful for a high technology company like RedHat to resort to such tactics. Because we Fedora folks are supporting RedHat, it is also a bit of a reflection on us as well. Please guys, let them know that this is not good. At least put the X where it belongs, but better still, no popup ads!!! Regards, Les H-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Scrolling gone haywire
On Mon, 2016-02-15 at 22:37 +0200, Mihuleac Sergiu wrote: Very happy to hear I'm not the only one. Same issue with my touch-pad -- Lenovo E540 > > On 02/15/2016 10:33 PM, Go Canes wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestion - the problem manifests without touching > > the trackpad (other than the click to load the web page). I tried > > adjusting sensitivity, switching from libinput to the legacy > > driver, etc. No change. > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Martin Skjöldebrand < > > mar...@skjoldebrand.eu> wrote: > > > > > > On 12/02/16 22:24, Go Canes wrote: > > > > I'm trying to convert my wife's laptop from Windows 7 to Fedora > > > 22 > > > > running KDE 5. However, when she browses the web, occasionally > > > the > > > > page will scroll as fast it can - either up or down - with no > > > input on > > > > her part, other than loading the page. > > > > > > Nothing to do with an over-sensitive mouse pad? Not sure it has > > > one, but > > > I've seen this on another laptop I used. > > > > > > -- > > > This address is for technical mail lists only.For all other > > > matters, > > > please use my main addressat the .org domain. > > > -- > > > users mailing list > > > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > > > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > I have a problem with touchpads in general. My finger tips are normally quite dry, so they skip and jump when dragging across the pads. I always have to turn double click off, multitouch off, and sensitivity down a bit to get them to work right. It sometimes takes several iterations of the sensitivity setting to make it right. Also I tend to let my other fingers droop, which causes the issues with multitouch, one of which is super fast scrolling or jumping. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: opening xxx.pat files
Not knowing where you got the .pat file, I have to say that pat files can mean many things. for example some logic analyzers use the .pat extension for their capture files. Many mainframe and PXI bus testers use .pat as the extension on digital files used to represent the 1's and 0's sent to a device undertest. Some digital simulators use a .pat extension to show the 1's and 0's used for vhdl analysis. Some of these .pat files are text, but many are saved as binary bit patterns due to the encoding required to represent the states of a digital pin: "x" receive, but data invalid "H" for the high or 1 state of a pin. "L" for the receive low or 0 state of a pin. "1" for driving a 1 to the pin "Z" for the high z state, where the pin is essentially open. "0" for the drive low or 0 to the pin. Some tester capabilities have other codes which make the patterns very difficult to resolve. Regards, Les H. On Thu, 2015-12-10 at 20:05 +0200, Angelo Moreschini wrote: > Hi, > > I got a file with suffix .pat (the extension is a Pattern Image file) > and, for what I could know, this kinde of files are used with > photoshop... > > II haven't photshp, so I looked for knowing how to open this file, > and the only suggestion that I found was to try (in Linux > environment) with GIMP. > > I hadn't success in this way, (using GIMP) so I would ask what other > I can try ... > > > Regards > > Thank you > > Angelo > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Altair 8800
On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 21:01 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > > Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some > > company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that > > was much better than just passive resistors, > > I don't have silk screening on mine, but I'm pretty sure it was Processor Tech > that made it. I bypassed the 4 slot and went straight to that backplane, > and its 16 slots. It was the IMSAI that put in a 22 slot backplane. > > PS. Thanks for making me look at mine. My machine was warm! > Turns out my add-on 8V supply has been on for the last couple of months > and I didn't even know it. WOW.. I thought I was the only one on here with an 8800. Mine is a B model with the Quiet bus installed and runs at I think 8Mhz. But its been a while. I also have the Zilog Z80 board in it as well as a very early modem and terminal driver for the TV set type display. And the whole shebang of 64K. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Has anyone upgraded from F20 to F21 or F22 using YUM?
Hi, guys, It is getting to be time to upgrade again. I am debating the wipe and reinstall method, over the upgrade by YUM. One of the issues facing me it the loss of the FEL spin. I use a lot of those tools along with some other stuff I have had to get via download and install. I have also had my issues with GNOME (no rant, just aggravation). So, Here is the big question... Has anyone done either the full jump (f20-f22) or is the preferred process f20 to f21 then move to f22 a bit later? Applications currently in use: Android Development studio (not ready for prime time is my best take on this thing right now) Arduino (yes, I know it is available from yum, but has it migrated to dnf? gEDA design suite gcc gputils gnuplot Microchips MPLABX openSCAD gedit pyGcode Viewer evolution Eagle CAD Libre Office evince gnome-terminal (but could use any typical unix type terminal window) Languages in use: C, C++, Python, Assembly (multiple processors), Pascal, ADA, Fortran, COBOL, CLISP and some others occasionally. Eclipse occasionally FFTW but I usually download that from their site. Upcoming interests 3D printing and milling and machining. Any thoughts on which is the correct path, and is there any way to get the Electronics Lab equivalent as the base for these efforts? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Libssl and libcrypto
On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 21:45 -0400, Kevin Cummings wrote: > On 06/05/2015 09:19 PM, Les Howell wrote: > > Hi, guys, > > I just attempted to update Eagle CAD and it requires these libraries. > > Good old "yum what provides libssl" and again for libcrypto return > > nothing. Since SSL seems to have lots of uses, and libcrypto surely has > > good uses, where are the recommended sources for these bits? > > > > almost forgot. F20 electronic labs spin, x86 64 bit version lots of > > space (about 1tiB and about 16G memory 8cpu AMD FX83 processor. > > fully up to date. ran yum clean all to ensure no funny background > > stuff, and then yum update and repeated the whatprovides queries. > > # locate libssl > /opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib/libssl.so > /opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib/libssl.so.0 > /opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 > /opt/google/chrome/libssl3.so.1d > /opt/google/earth/free/libssl3.so > /usr/lib/.libssl.so.1.0.1e.hmac > /usr/lib/.libssl.so.10.hmac > /usr/lib/libssl.so.1.0.1e > /usr/lib/libssl.so.10 > /usr/lib/libssl3.so > /usr/lib64/.libssl.so.1.0.1e.hmac > /usr/lib64/.libssl.so.10.hmac > /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.1e > /usr/lib64/libssl.so.10 > /usr/lib64/libssl3.so > # rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libssl.so.10 > openssl-libs-1.0.1e-42.fc20.x86_64 > # locate libcrypto > /opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib/libcrypto.so > /opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib/libcrypto.so.0 > /opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 > /usr/lib/.libcrypto.so.1.0.1e.hmac > /usr/lib/.libcrypto.so.10.hmac > /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.1e > /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.10 > /usr/lib64/.libcrypto.so.1.0.1e.hmac > /usr/lib64/.libcrypto.so.10.hmac > /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.1e > /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.10 > # rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libcrypto.so.10 > openssl-libs-1.0.1e-42.fc20.x86_64 > > You just have to ask the right question. B^) > > > Regards, > > Les H > > Thanks, Kevin, In the middle of a panic fire and just didn't expect the open... on them. with libssl and libcrypto that messed me up. regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Libssl and libcrypto
Hi, guys, I just attempted to update Eagle CAD and it requires these libraries. Good old "yum what provides libssl" and again for libcrypto return nothing. Since SSL seems to have lots of uses, and libcrypto surely has good uses, where are the recommended sources for these bits? almost forgot. F20 electronic labs spin, x86 64 bit version lots of space (about 1tiB and about 16G memory 8cpu AMD FX83 processor. fully up to date. ran yum clean all to ensure no funny background stuff, and then yum update and repeated the whatprovides queries. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
audoi card for william austin
HI, everyone, I have a friend who is heavily into audio, and this is his recommendation: I would suggest getting any of the new 48/96/192kHz audio cards available for PCI-E (SoundBlaster Audigy RX for example) and then getting an inexpensive USB midi device such as the M-Audio Midi Sport Uno or 1x1. If more midi ports are needed M-Audio has 2x2 and 4x4. Separating the audio and midi will open up all kinds of options for product selection. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Off topic: web hosting sites
Great responses, thank you all. This will help us narrow down the search. Paul, I am about to join RSSC, the Robotics Society of Southern California. I am not a great meeting or group person, as most of you know, I offer my small tidbits of knowledge once in a while, but generally you all are far above me in understanding how all this stuff works. And while I do work in Linux almost exclusively, my own work is rather esoteric to a specific and rather narrow subject, that of Automated Test Equipment, or as I like to call it million dollar testers for seventy five cent IC chips. But all that test does make things go better. Heard of Six Sigma, third order intercept, INL/DNL for converters, DSP for frequency and phase analysis, or such terms as setup and hold times? My world is deep in acronyms, and combining the troubleshooting of physical interfaces, with the issues of code speed and interface or bus speeds and architecture choices. I'm not good party company, either. Matthew, Dave, Steven and Sudhir, thank you for the company names to check out. I really do appreciate it. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Off topic: web hosting sites
Hi, everyone, I know that this is not a use the group is setup for, but I don't know who else to ask, so forgive my rudeness, and please if you can give me some ideas. Others might benefit as well. I am not asking for specific recommendations, just some of the names you have found useful or maybe not useful, to help me and him to reduce the search from a general Google search for web hosts. I have a relative who has a somewhat successful regional business currently located in Arizona, who wants to get a website set up for his product(s). He investigated GoDaddy, but didn't seem happy with their terms and conditions. I'm not entrepreneurial enough to even know where to start or what to look for. Any advice or recommendations would be helpful. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: error open ports
On Tue, 2014-02-18 at 12:25 -0500, William Biggs wrote: > I install chrip for my ham radio but every tip . I try to read the radio > I get this error on all ports . How do I set the Permission for the > software for the user I'm using ? > could not open port /dev/ttyUSB0: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/dev/ttyUSB0 > Hi, William, If you unplug a USB device, and quickly plug it back in, the background software will not have released the earlier use, so it creates a new virtual device. Check /dev for other ttyUSB# entries. It happens with other devices as well. I periodically use a USB connected Arduino. If I plug it back in too quickly it will go to a new com port. If you unplug your device, simply wait a few seconds (well, sometimes a minute) before plugging it back in. The software gurus here might be able to tell us where we can set the time out to make it a bit quicker for the unplugged device to go away, or some neat trick to make the device reuse the existing entries. Regards, Les H Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Very Off Topic
On Wed, 2014-02-19 at 20:37 +1100, Roger wrote: > A friend has windows 7 professional sp1 on a Dell Vostro, 230 32 bit > driving word 2007. No viruses reported, no infections, all antivirusware > to update. > Until a few days ago printed perfectly to a HL 4040CN Brother laser. > We have tried everything I know. Ive searched microsoft, Brother Googled > for errors. He has checked cables discussed with Brother who acted like > idiots, couldn't solve the problem. > Windows forums seem very unhelpful so I have to defer to the Linux > knowledge base. > > Has anyone in Linuxland who is also using w7pro experienced printing > issues, particularly with Brother laser and worked out what caused the > failure. > Thanks, and apologies in advance for a non Linux issue. > Roger Have you tried a live CD on the system to make sure it is a windows issue? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange Warnings on updating tonight (SOLVED)
On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 15:48 +, Beartooth wrote: > On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:54:28 +, Frank Murphy wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 01:45:30 -0800 Les Howell > > wrote: > [] > > Asked and answered Read the previous threads which also mention yum > > groups. > > I looked back past the first of the month, and found no thread on > yum groups. I did find one on yum in F19, but it was over my head. > > In case it tells any of you anything, yum update on an F20 has > produced a very similar set of warnings here. > > -- > Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User > Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. > > I did post a "solved" response, but it apparently did not get connected to this thread, so here it is again: In the file /etc/yum.conf add the line: group_command=compat This silences the messages for now. But I wonder what functionality this might hide? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Strange Warnings on updating tonight (SOLVED)
Hi, guys, This may not link as a thread because I inadvertently deleted the thread responses in Evolution, and I couldn't figure out how to find the thread from the archives information (it might be helpful to put a reply link in the archive stuff, for dummies like me.) It took a bit of digging, but once you guys said it was solved, I was able to find the thread. I used the command: "group_command=compat" inserted into /etc/yum.conf, which apparently inhibited the messages. Is there a better way? A question remains, though, even after reading through lots of stuff about yum groups, knowing about the groups presented in the add/remove software utility, and understanding enough to be somewhat dangerous in software management, but not enough to be good, I do not yet understand the utility of the group listings on the local machine. I think it is to automate the install/remove process for the group and utilities involved, but I did not see that stated anywhere. I did read the documentation on yum groups I found on Google, but I am afraid it didn't help me personally very much. If there is a "yum groups for dummies" somewhere maybe that is what I need. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Strange Warnings on updating tonight
Hi, everyone, I am running F19 on an AMD 64 bit system. I was notified of updates and chose to install them, but something went wrong. Didn't see the error message, but it stopped. And prompted me to reboot, which I did. They tried yum clean-all followed by yum update. Here is what I got back: Warning: group core does not exist. Warning: group gnome-desktop does not exist. Warning: group multimedia does not exist. Warning: group firefox does not exist. Warning: group guest-desktop-agents does not exist. Warning: group base-x does not exist. Warning: group anaconda-tools does not exist. Warning: group electronic-lab does not exist. Warning: group fonts does not exist. Warning: group milkymist does not exist. Warning: group hardware-support does not exist. Warning: group dial-up does not exist. Warning: group printing does not exist. Warning: group libreoffice does not exist. Warning: group input-methods does not exist. Warning: group standard does not exist. No packages marked for update I am guessing that these are groups that are supposed to be in the groups of "users and groups". Do I need to create these and if so, why? I haven't had to do this before. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Writing English.
On Sat, 2013-11-23 at 01:26 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:54:39 +1300 > Rolf Turner wrote: > > > > Why can't computer geeks learn to write English correctly? > > http://xkcd.com/1238/ > > HTH, :-) > Marko > good one Marko, But if we all think about it, really... Who is Mark Twain? Why is he famous? Did you read Catcher in the Rye? And what is the difference between Shakespeare's writing the the books of Mark Twain or Catcher in the Rye? English is not stilted, nor is it "cast in stone". It is a living language, evolving, changing, adding new words, new feelings and inventions of catch phrases, common usage and so on. Dictionaries do not set the language, but rather capture the use of the language, which evolves over time. I love reading, and yes, technical reading is miserable, not because the content doesn't interest me, but because some people in academia have the idea that there is only one effective way to phrase a thought or idea. It is further perpetrated by a legal system that is fraught with poor language, definitions that are set by arcane rules and definitions that are purely the construct of the legal profession, and while that may be necessary on some level, the extent to where it has degenerated is abysmal. Would you wish that on the creative individuals that create our most fundamental tools in the modern world? I would not. While the requirements for such phrasing in the legal aspects of our world, like licensing, or patents or other legal and binding documents are hampering creativity all around, why would you want to impose that on the flow here? This is not a troll. I will not comment further. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on
On Sat, 2013-11-23 at 00:10 +, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > FWIW, I'm absolutely in love with Gnome3. Best thing ever happened to UI. > > That said, it would be nice indeed if users had a choice during > installation, something simple like 3 screenshots to choose from. > > On 22 November 2013 21:53, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 11/22/2013 01:20 PM, Steven Stern wrote: > >> > >> I do that now, but this system has been upgraded from F16 through 19 and > >> I've been tweaking and tweaking the Gnome settings. Who knows what I've > >> broken? > > > > > > The odds are, nothing. If you had broken something, Gnome wouldn't be > > working properly. > > > > -- > > users mailing list > > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org My wife felt the same way. The easy answer was to install the MATE desktop. And then setup her login to default to mate. With Linux, the window manager is separate from the OS, so it is no big deal. There are several different desktops out there, so you can chose one that suits you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: missing files during yum cleanup phase
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 08:39 +0100, Jan Zelený wrote: > On 2. 11. 2013 at 09:30:56, Les Howell wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I got a few messages during my latest yum update. They indicate that > > some files were not present, since it occurred during the cleanup phase > > I suspect it is not important, but thought I should check just in > > case... > > > > Here are the messages: > > Cleanup: gnome-documents-3.8.4-1.fc19.x86_64 > > 94/94 > > chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-19-11:59:44-4569/*’: No > > such file or directory > > chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-08-30-18:20:54-2289/*’: No > > such file or directory > > chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-27-00:21:24-3873/*’: No > > such file or directory > > chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-27-00:14:49-1837/*’: No > > such file or directory > > chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-27-00:15:51-2883/*’: No > > such file or directory > > chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-03-01:10:57-1846/*’: No > > such file or directory > > The location and the action to be performed suggest it's really not > important, > probably just some minor packaging glitch in abrt package. > > Jan That's what I thought, but since I am not cognizant of all the software installation potential "gotcha's", I thought I would check. Thanks, Jan. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
missing files during yum cleanup phase
Hi everyone, I got a few messages during my latest yum update. They indicate that some files were not present, since it occurred during the cleanup phase I suspect it is not important, but thought I should check just in case... Here are the messages: Cleanup: gnome-documents-3.8.4-1.fc19.x86_64 94/94 chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-19-11:59:44-4569/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-08-30-18:20:54-2289/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-27-00:21:24-3873/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-27-00:14:49-1837/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-27-00:15:51-2883/*’: No such file or directory chown: cannot access ‘/var/tmp/abrt/ccpp-2013-10-03-01:10:57-1846/*’: No such file or directory Any comments or ideas? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: jaaa not working SOLVED
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 16:23 -0400, Carlos "casep" Sepulveda wrote: > On 7 October 2013 16:49, Les Howell wrote: > > Hi, everyone, > > I have installed JAAA, which should be an audio spectrum analyzer > > package. When I click on it, it doesn't open. No error message, > > nothing to indicate anything abnormal. Where would I look to figure out > > what kind of error is being generated? > > > > Hi: > By default the .desktop created invokes jaaa -J (Jack)** > I modified it to use Alsa (just edit the .desktop file and replace -J > with -A) instead and it worked OK on my F19. > Running directly from a terminal will give you a good idea aobut > what's wrong, if any. > > Regards > > ** $ cat /usr/share/applications/jaaa.desktop > [Desktop Entry] > Name=Jaaa > Comment=JACK and ALSA Audio Analyser > Icon=jaaa > Type=Application > Categories=Application;AudioVideo;Audio;X-Jack;X-Audio_Tools; > Exec=jaaa -J > Terminal=false > Encoding=UTF-8 > X-Desktop-File-Install-Version=0.21 Thanks Carlos, That makes it even easier. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
jaaa not working
Hi, everyone, I have installed JAAA, which should be an audio spectrum analyzer package. When I click on it, it doesn't open. No error message, nothing to indicate anything abnormal. Where would I look to figure out what kind of error is being generated? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Unable to login occasionally
Hi everyone, Don't groan because its me again;-) System information: 7.8 GiB AMD Phenom II X6 1035T Processor x 6 OS type 64 bit Fedora 19 Gallium 0.4 on AMD JUNIPER GNOME version 3.8.4 disk 483.6 GB After reboot, if I don't immediately log in, the clock screen shows up. and when I attempt to login, I get the up arrows, but nothing else happens.I have tried using the mouse buttons, the return key, and all the function keys, but that is the only response. The only way I can get control of the system again is to power off and reboot or reset. I usually try reset first. Most times that works, but occasionally I forget and hold the power button down too long (my system doesn't have a separate reset button). I don't think this is good for the system, the disks and is certainly irksome. Any solutions? I did check bugzilla and look on line, but couldn't find the same issues. My system is up to date as of last night, but I rebooted before I went to bed, and had the problem this morning again. Any ideas on what could be the problem? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: MATE desktop
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > sudo yum groupinstall "MATE Desktop" > Thanks, Pat, This will help. I did look through the software list, but couldn't figure out the root of the desktop. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
MATE desktop
My wife doesn't like the GNOME3 desktop. She did like GNOME2, so I have found that MATE desktop is a fork of GNOME2. I have looked at the software menu (on x86_64 F19) and see lots of stuff related to MATE. What is the key to getting MATE installed and run on a user? Will the GNOME3 version of Evolution, Firefox, etc all run? If you have installed and used the MATE desktop, please give me your opinion. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: AMD
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 22:07 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote: > Hi Gang, > > In considering a new computer, one of those under consideration is an > AMD chip with Windoze; the salesman suggested that other customers > have said that Linux has issues with AMD. Do we have issues with this > chip? Since I haven't read anything at least in a long time I have the > opinion that it has been solved. Am I wrong? I ended up saving my > money because of his concern. > > Thanks. > -- > Richard I have always preferred AMD processors and in fact the one I am using now has the following configuration: 7.8 GiB AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1035T Processor x 6 64 bit Gallium 0.4 on AMD JUNIPER GNOME Version 3.8.2 Running F19, FEL package with several add-ons such as MPLABX. Works great!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
f19 scientific and boolean calculator
Does anyone know what happened to the calculator? I upgraded to F19 and now the calculator shows up like a 2.00 simple calculator. I need the boolean and scientific functions. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F19 install wonked Solved, no thanks Nvidia
On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 11:04 -0700, Les Howell wrote: > On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 12:37 -0700, Les Howell wrote: > > HELP!!! I downloaded the F19 live Games DVD image, burnt the disk OK, > > installed OK. Won't boot. Mother board is ASUS UEFI system. Don't get > > Grubby!! > > > > Tried using the firmwire boot option to select the disk, no go. So, > > what steps should I take to try and find this. I can boot the live DVD > > OK, so tools are available. How do I get the uefi to boot, and i want > > to make this system dual boot for windows for games. I know how to set > > up the grub 2 after the work getting my F17 to work, so once I get > > grubby up, I should be able to handle the rest. > > > > Thanks! > > > The system is an AMD with 6G ram, and nvidia GE FX-5200. When I > attempted the install of the nvidia drivers using akmod-nvidia, I > mistyped the command and the numerical description had a space so I got > bare akmod-nvidia. After several attempts to get to the text prompt, > and an attempt to get nomodeset into the boot script, I gave up and > nuked the installation and started over. The system is installing again > now. > > This is the most difficult installation I have yet had with Fedora, > fraught with issues from not being able to log in, to getting in, but > getting a blank screen, to having the screen go into spasms of blank > then slowly rebuilding the favorites sidebar, but with the mouse cursor > missing or a cursor and no capability to interact, to cursor > interacting, but giving repetitive screen wipes and rebuilds. > > Yeah, I know, ditch the Nvidia card, but my computer bucks are a bit > short right now. Anyway, I am starting over, and will be sure to use > the efibootmgr command, and install the correct akmod-nvidia-173xx > driver. Does anyone have any additional information that might help? > > by the way, even after the efibootmgr -c command, I kept getting the > secure mode disabled message. There is little joy in the house right > now!! Mama doesn't have her computer, and I am stymied on getting this > thing up and working. > > Any and all help/pointers/etc... appreciated. > > I'm posting this message from a computer in another room, so it requires > that I go back and forth to look things up when the new install won't > bring up the internet for looking things up, just another aggravation. > Sorry to keep this single thread going, but success has reared its head... My wife bless her, kept the old card I pulled from one of the grandson's computers. It is a radeon 7470. Put that in and things are going swimmingly. I like nvidia. I wish they and the linux folks could work out some way of fully supporting their cards with acceleration and the whole works, directly. But the Radeon will do the job, so Kudos to those guys. So we can call this solved, at least given a Radeon card. Too bad, nvidia, thanks for NOT playing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F19 install wonked
On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 12:37 -0700, Les Howell wrote: > HELP!!! I downloaded the F19 live Games DVD image, burnt the disk OK, > installed OK. Won't boot. Mother board is ASUS UEFI system. Don't get > Grubby!! > > Tried using the firmwire boot option to select the disk, no go. So, > what steps should I take to try and find this. I can boot the live DVD > OK, so tools are available. How do I get the uefi to boot, and i want > to make this system dual boot for windows for games. I know how to set > up the grub 2 after the work getting my F17 to work, so once I get > grubby up, I should be able to handle the rest. > > Thanks! > The system is an AMD with 6G ram, and nvidia GE FX-5200. When I attempted the install of the nvidia drivers using akmod-nvidia, I mistyped the command and the numerical description had a space so I got bare akmod-nvidia. After several attempts to get to the text prompt, and an attempt to get nomodeset into the boot script, I gave up and nuked the installation and started over. The system is installing again now. This is the most difficult installation I have yet had with Fedora, fraught with issues from not being able to log in, to getting in, but getting a blank screen, to having the screen go into spasms of blank then slowly rebuilding the favorites sidebar, but with the mouse cursor missing or a cursor and no capability to interact, to cursor interacting, but giving repetitive screen wipes and rebuilds. Yeah, I know, ditch the Nvidia card, but my computer bucks are a bit short right now. Anyway, I am starting over, and will be sure to use the efibootmgr command, and install the correct akmod-nvidia-173xx driver. Does anyone have any additional information that might help? by the way, even after the efibootmgr -c command, I kept getting the secure mode disabled message. There is little joy in the house right now!! Mama doesn't have her computer, and I am stymied on getting this thing up and working. Any and all help/pointers/etc... appreciated. I'm posting this message from a computer in another room, so it requires that I go back and forth to look things up when the new install won't bring up the internet for looking things up, just another aggravation. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F19 install wonked
On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 12:37 -0700, Les Howell wrote: > HELP!!! I downloaded the F19 live Games DVD image, burnt the disk OK, > installed OK. Won't boot. Mother board is ASUS UEFI system. Don't get > Grubby!! > > Tried using the firmwire boot option to select the disk, no go. So, > what steps should I take to try and find this. I can boot the live DVD > OK, so tools are available. How do I get the uefi to boot, and i want > to make this system dual boot for windows for games. I know how to set > up the grub 2 after the work getting my F17 to work, so once I get > grubby up, I should be able to handle the rest. > > Thanks! > After doing some research I tried the efibootmgr -c command. The system booted and got to the Grubby prompt and then booted F19. I then logged in as the user I had created during the install, and things seemed right. But then I clicked on the checkerboard icon to get to a terminal. The disk was humming the screen would periodically turn blank for a few seconds, then reload the base setup for applications showing only the help icon and this is still the state after several minutes??? I'll try rebooting. One question I have, though, is if efibootmgr can fix the booting problem, why isn't this explained during the load process? And what can be done to make this a bit more user friendly. I don't know about most of you, but reinstalling is something I do a few times a decade, and the process is changing each time these days, so having the install process deal with or at least give some indication of the changes would certainly make this process less onerous. I love Fedora, and I have it on three systems (if Pidora counts). I use FEL on my system and my wife uses the games on her system as well as downloading her favorite podcasts, email and web browsing. Fedora is a wonderful system of Linux, please make it load as well as it works otherwise. By the way, any help with my current issue, thanks in advance. No error messages to show, sorry. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F19 install wonked
HELP!!! I downloaded the F19 live Games DVD image, burnt the disk OK, installed OK. Won't boot. Mother board is ASUS UEFI system. Don't get Grubby!! Tried using the firmwire boot option to select the disk, no go. So, what steps should I take to try and find this. I can boot the live DVD OK, so tools are available. How do I get the uefi to boot, and i want to make this system dual boot for windows for games. I know how to set up the grub 2 after the work getting my F17 to work, so once I get grubby up, I should be able to handle the rest. Thanks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 10:44 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 07/16/2013 06:10 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > > Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 > >> > >> From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> > > > > Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justifications > > can be applied to virtually any one else. Especially, not *here*. > > People put up with his behaviour because of his other talents, but in > the long run that's not sustainable. One of the problems with this is > that younger and more naive people think the way Linus communicates on > the lists is a model to imitate. It's not. > > See here: > > From: Ingo Molnar kernel.org> > Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML > Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel.stable, gmane.linux.kernel > Date: 2013-07-19 11:59:19 GMT (1 week, 3 days, 21 hours and 41 minutes ago) > > * Willy Tarreau 1wt.eu> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 07:40:43AM -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote: > > > > > Go look at Dreamwidth, the open source Livejournal fork. It has a > > > good code of conduct, so developers are civil to each other. They > > > encourage all patch submissions, and take the time to work with people > > > who don't understand their community rules. > > > > > > The result: 75% of their developers are women. If you give a flying > > > fuck about diversity, and want to attract women to your open source > > > project, your developers need to be civil, and not verbally abuse each > > > other. > > > > But this has nothing to do with a project's success or quality, gender > > is not related. Are you suggesting that with more women the Linux kernel > > would be a more successful project ? If so I think you're a bit biased. > > In my opinion, only its good people make it a good project, whatever > > their gender. > > I don't necessarily agree with everything that Sarah has stated, but I > think we can declare it with scientific certainty that utilizing the other > 50% of creative brainpower that humanity has available can only improve > the Linux kernel, and drastically so. > > ( The "how" is the 1 trillion dollars question, and I'm glad Sarah is > working on that problem. ) > Working or not working on a project is a personal choice. Your email client has the option to block someone if you do not like the tone of their posts. If you do not like the tone of a volunteer group, simply do not participate. That is simple. I sometimes don't like the tone of people in various ways, but that is a PERSONAL bias, not a group issue. If this were an office environment where you are earning your income by participating that would be different, because there are issues binding you to that environment. Etiquette is cultural, and so what passes as acceptable in one culture is not acceptable in another. The results of not following the group rules is personal eviction from the group. That can occur in various ways, but this is not a discussion on anthropology or group dynamics. Additionally this is a technical mailing list. Write a nice letter to some columnist who is worried about such things. On here ask and answer questions about technical issues. If you wish respect here, as in any group, earn it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: cultural differences affecting communication (Re: Etiquette and changing of threads)
> How do you let go of your cultural and other frames of reference and yet > figure out what a subject at hand is? I don't think that's possible and > that it's only possible to be more or less aware of these factors and to > try to somehow deal with them. > > Still, being a German, you can say "A" to someone English or American, > and they understand something totally different like "X" or "Z", and none > of them is aware of the misunderstanding before it leads to problems. > It's the same the other way round and probably a problem that can always > come up when ppl from different countries and cultures try to talk to > each other. > > Haven't you had something like this when you lived in Korea? Actually I was living in the US, but I was married to a Korean lady. Yes, that happens a lot. But communications is a two way street, not a dictatorship. One has to make some effort to be sure of the topic, requirements and so forth. When you go to another site to work on a problem someone has reported, don't you do some basic background check to ensure that the problem as described is what you perceived? For example reconfiguring a mail client, even though the customer has told you he configured it correctly, when there is a problem sending or receiving email? Standard communications takes just as much effort even when two people share the same background, have the same goals and speak the same language. It just requires a bit more effort to make sure one understands when there are cultural and language differences. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Etiquette and changing of threads
On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 10:47 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 06:27 +0200, lee wrote: > > You need to realise that native speakers of English have a tendency to > > be overly polite and to expect others to be just as overly polite as > > they are, in ways non-native speakers of English mostly cannot fathom > > (at least Germans cannot). At the same time, non-native speakers of > > English (at least Germans) can come across to native speakers of > > English > > as utterly rude, without any intention to come across like that and > > without knowing that they do. --- For example, what I just wrote is > > probably somewhat rude, without me intending to be. It's because I'm > > German, and the totally different mindsets of English and German > > "collide", which would make it extremely complicated and requiring a > > great deal of elaboration to put it in such a way that it doesn't seem > > rude. > > I think you're over-generalizing here. In my experience German speakers > are just as polite as English speakers, especially if their English is > as good as yours. Possibly some may come across as rude when their > English is less good, as when one is learning a language one tends to > say things more bluntly due to feeling more restricted, but it can also > work the other way, when the beginner appears to be overly formal. > Idiomatic expression and fleeting cultural references account for a huge > proportion of everyday speech and a lot of that bleeds into written > communication. > > In my experience, national stereotypes are an unreliable guide in > everyday life, though one thing that does seem to be different from one > culture to another is the kind of thing they find funny. But that's > another story. > > poc > Culture is absorbed. I spent many years in Asia. When I returned to the United States, I would go to parties, and whoever I spoke with and I would move slowly across the room and eventually no one was talking to me. An Asian friend and I were talking later and I mentioned this to him. He told me that in Asia people stand close, within a few inches. The culture's "personal bubble" is very small. American's personal bubble is a couple of feet. So I would get close, the person would move away, I would get close and we would slowly move across the room. People felt uncomfortable with me without knowing exactly why. Once I knew this I could adapt, or use it as needed. In the same way, Americans have basically only three pronouns and every other method of addressing someone comes as public, personal, or formal. But in many languages, there are different ways to talk about distinct family members, for example Korea in formal language has specific names for first born son, or grandmother on the mothers side, or grandfather on each side. At least that is what I was told. Along with that goes a real value of deference depending on the level of social status within the family. In business there were three levels, bosses where formal language and deference are shown, peers where one talks slightly less formally, and subordinates where a deference was shown in public. What happens privately I don't know. These frames of reference and culture impact how one perceives what is said. Much or most of face to face speaking is the unspoken language of eye contact, facial expression, posture, tone and word choice, written communication uses punctuation, verb, subject, object, adjective and adverb placement as well as word choice are to written communication. Each of these is impacted by culture. Whether we know it or not, these things affect our perception of the speaker or writer, often to the point of obscuring the intended message. It is difficult, but necessary to let go of some of these and concentrate on the subject in intercultural communication. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 12:40 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/10/2013 09:49 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I've also received several bits of helpful advice from yourself, > > served up as one would expect from an Englishman(?). > > Overdone and served with mushy vegetables that have been cooked to > death? Well, at least it's not fried and served with a huge portion of > french fries as it would be in Amurrica. We can fry anything, ice cream, twinkies, bananas, snickers bars, chicken, steak, and even turkey. Ingenuity at its highest caloric values, our contribution to the world cultural encyclopedia. And yes, we do it quickly in deep fryers. Quick, good, tasty and heart deadly, the American experience. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Seth Vidal, creator of "yum" killed in bike accident
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 10:46 +0100, Aaron Gray wrote: > Utterly Tragic, so sorry such a terrible thing should happen to such a > good guy. > > On 10 July 2013 10:27, Ian Malone wrote: > > On 10 July 2013 07:09, Rejy M Cyriac wrote: > >> On 07/10/2013 06:40 AM, Greg Woodbury wrote: > >>> On 07/09/2013 08:59 PM, Edik Landaveri wrote: > >>>> Condolences & prayers for his family in these moments. > >>> This is sad news indeed for Durham/Duke and Red Hat. > >>> > >>> I could never figure out how Seth managed to find the time for all > >>> the things he did and all the email he answered. > >>> > >> > >> Seth Vidal will be truly missed in person, but his contributions to the > >> Open Source world lives on. > >> > >> Condolences to the family and friends, of a true friend of Open Source. > >> > > > > That's very sad, many condolences to his family and friends. > > > > > > -- > > imalone > > http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk > > -- > > users mailing list > > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org Seth added so much to our community. Perhaps there is some way to set up a "Seth Vidal Award" for contribution to the community. Maybe RedHat could serve as the repository? Someone in Redhat could setup a non-profit to support the effort? Maybe a small gift or something for the recipients? Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Two HDs
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 10:36 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote: > Bill - > > > Dear Harish: > > > > They are internal SATA drives. > > I am assuming your system has something like what is shown in > this [0]. And that there is already a cable connecting the drive to > the board. Then there is nothing else to do except to check within > your BIOS to see if the drive is enabled as well. > > [0] > http://s32.photobucket.com/user/KKilme/media/Resources/sata-on-mb-empty.jpg.html > [0] http://wiki.pcworld.com/index.php/Installing_SATA_hard_drives > > Harish I don't know if it affects F18, but when I put my wife on F17 with two SATA drives, it turned out that there was some kind of RAID built into the board. If I plugged the second drive into one port, it was seen as the second drive of the raid. Plugging into a different one, it was picked up as a real second drive. This is also one of those UEFI mother boards. Boy did I long for the good old days of cable selection and master/slave settings. Documentation seems gone, and Video's do not give you time to re-read and compare different views easily. This motherboard came with a video, but it only illustrated a simple setup with one hard drive and Windows. Sorry, I do not remember the mobo mfr or the model. I'll get it when she comes back this evening, just in case that helps. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: "hackers"
On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 15:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 10:12 -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: > > I have a simple question: What the hell dose this rant have to do > > with: > > "Community Support For Fedora Users"?? > > Nothing whatever. Not that that ever stopped anyone. > > [BTW, please don't top-post on this list] > > poc > I think it does have a lot to do with Linux users and developers. We are often grouped with the "hackers" negatively, and we need to make sure that people understand the difference. Whether you agree or not, is a personal feeling. Perceptions matter, and hacking which is using something in a way not necessarily intended by the original designer is a good hack. If someone is breaking into systems and doing harm, that is cracking. At least that is my view. YMMV. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community
On Fri, 2013-03-29 at 16:09 +, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote: > Once again sorry about the top post. > > Afaik, there has never been a foo in the man pages. What I was referring to > was the new people find the jargon in them, if not intimidating, at least > confusing, if they do not know the jargon. > > It was the same with some of howto's that were available in the 90's. > > I am self taught, and there are plenty of gaps in my knowledge on the admin > side of things, and I am still learning. > > Having been away from computers for quite some time, and these mail lists, my > 2nd last fedora install was fc 5. The helpfu improvement in the lists since > the 90's is unreal. > > Just my 0.02 > > Dave I think Dave is right. I have been a fedora fan for several years now, and the change has been gradual, but sincere, and the improvement is definitely noticeable On the topic here, though, let me go to an extreme for a moment... I have a friend who has been an admin for many many years. He is now severely vision impaired. Whether or not you agree, having to follow a thread using a screen reader or Dragon systems stuff (when he has to resort to Windows) which contains one or more rants about the grammar or the lack of supporting documentation is not helpful. Moreover, a newbie may not have any idea of how to state his question in technical terms. I agree though that the subject line "A question" certainly is a turn off, but I always dutifully read the question to see what the person needs. I also generally email them personally to let them know that they need to put the actual question in the subject line. And to give the error message if any and the action they see on the computer in the body. There is no need to chastise someone in public. A true leader follows a simple maxim, Chastise in private, praise in public. Also if an apology is warranted it should be done publicly. This is just my 2 cents. Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Creating a server with Fedora 18
On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 19:16 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 27.03.2013 18:55, schrieb les: > > I have a friend who is vision impaired. He recently got enough of his > > sight back to begin working on his systems again, and is interested in > > setting his servers up on Fedora 18. His last version was 10 (long > > storage in between). > > > > Is there a site, blog or tutorial that would be easy for him to use with > > a screen reader or would have it broken down as a series of steps to > > help him get going (I know nothing of server setups now, so I cannot > > offer much help.) > > > > Among the things he mentioned was: > > Web manager. > > Reverse DNS. > > > > Unfortunately we were driving and I couldn't take coherent notes > > in this context i would not recommend Fdora for a server because it > has a limited release-lifetime and you have two options twice a year > > * re-install > * dist-upgrade > > re-install is not much funny and a dist-upgrade with rely on a > screen reader maybe also not because sometimes a lot of changes > which i personally would not want to take care of in this siutation > > in this conext i would recommdn CentOS6 which has security updates > for arund 10 years, the backside is that you can't have major > upgrades of software for a specific release and a dist-upgrade > is mre or less impossible because the changes are too much > Thanks, Reindl, He won't be too happy, he loved Fedora. I'll google for the setups for CentOS. It looks like they are taking about 6.1 now on their website. If you know of any good server setup instructions, I could sure use it. I'll read up so I know a bit up front, and I may try to set up a server locally so I see what the issues are. My friend is a really good man, and I will help where I can. It has taken him a few years to get to a place where he is ready to try this. Life deals us bad hands some times I guess. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Creating a server with Fedora 18
I have a friend who is vision impaired. He recently got enough of his sight back to begin working on his systems again, and is interested in setting his servers up on Fedora 18. His last version was 10 (long storage in between). Is there a site, blog or tutorial that would be easy for him to use with a screen reader or would have it broken down as a series of steps to help him get going (I know nothing of server setups now, so I cannot offer much help.) Among the things he mentioned was: Web manager. Reverse DNS. Unfortunately we were driving and I couldn't take coherent notes. Regards, Les Howell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Installing ngspice 25
On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 18:57 +, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote: > Can't bottom post. > ./configure prefixdir = /usr should place all files in /usr. > If it configures correctly run make > Su to root and run make install. > > Hope this helps > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Mobilicity > > -----Original Message- > From: les > Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:31:07 > To: > Reply-To: hlhow...@pacbell.net, > Community support for Fedora users > Subject: Installing ngspice 25 > > I have been too spoiled by the rpm and yum processes. Thank you fedora > developers... > > I need to run the install script to put ngspice-25 on my system. I know > that there is a default installation, but I do not know if that meets > the current directory structure for F17 or later. Has anyone done this, > and how did you go about it? > > I know I can pass -prefix to change the binary directory, but from what > I can tell, /usr/local/bin would appear to be ok, and /usr/sbin would be > OK, but I cannot tell if the files that for ngspice-23 > in /usr/share/ngspice would be replaced. I cannot find the /usr/share > directory referenced in the config script. I suspect that it is created > from the several variables referring to the directories in the script, > but I cannot tell which one it would be or where the files would end up > from using search on the 17000 line configure script. > > Also do I need to uninstall ngspice-23? I have several designs that > work under 23 and I am worried that -25 version may break some of them. > Therefore I would like to have both versions available for a short time > until I can verify my current stuff works under the -25 version. > > Thanks for any information. > > Regards, > Les H > That appears to have done it. But I appear to have overwritten my original. Ok, I'm trying my current simulations to see if everything is OK. One question is how will yum update deal with the change? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Installing ngspice 25
I have been too spoiled by the rpm and yum processes. Thank you fedora developers... I need to run the install script to put ngspice-25 on my system. I know that there is a default installation, but I do not know if that meets the current directory structure for F17 or later. Has anyone done this, and how did you go about it? I know I can pass -prefix to change the binary directory, but from what I can tell, /usr/local/bin would appear to be ok, and /usr/sbin would be OK, but I cannot tell if the files that for ngspice-23 in /usr/share/ngspice would be replaced. I cannot find the /usr/share directory referenced in the config script. I suspect that it is created from the several variables referring to the directories in the script, but I cannot tell which one it would be or where the files would end up from using search on the 17000 line configure script. Also do I need to uninstall ngspice-23? I have several designs that work under 23 and I am worried that -25 version may break some of them. Therefore I would like to have both versions available for a short time until I can verify my current stuff works under the -25 version. Thanks for any information. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
[Fwd: Re: Processor time consumption]
Forwarded Message > From: Joe Zeff > To: hlhow...@pacbell.net > Subject: Re: Processor time consumption > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:26:16 -0700 > > On 03/28/2012 09:50 AM, les wrote: > > I don't think it is RAM space being consumed. System Monitor shows very > > little memory in use, and very little network processing. > > OK, that's one blind alley eliminated. However, this should have gone > to the list so that everybody knew about it. I mistakenly sent this only to Joe, but it applies to the thread. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Processor time consumption
Hi, everyone, My latest boondoggle is a multiple one. I loaded tracker to fool with it a bit, and now it is always on, I looked up the man pages and checked the commands, so I know I can turn off the various processes using tracker-control -t. But how do I keep it from starting? I used to know how to edit some of the startup configuration, but now I find that what I remember is wayy out of date. Any guidance would be appreciated. With that out of the way, and the tracker processes stopped, I have three remaining problems... 1. I have a spreadsheet I want to use to create charts for a book I am writting, so I run the spreadsheet in libre office. 2. I then open the book in libre office. Now soffice.bin is consuming 99+ percent of the processor time and everything grinds to a stop. 3. I open evolution, retrieve my mail, everything is normal. I begin to edit a messge adn about 3 lines in, it grinds to a halt, soffice is not running. After about 30 seconds it resumes working. Since I would suppose that most of you use Libre office, and this is not likely happening as I see no comments to that effect, I suspect that the problem is mine alone. This makes me think configuration or other error. But I already have lots of errors from various processes, but none from soffice that I can tell. These errors do not appear to effect about 30 other applications I run, and while I know that this doesn't mean they won't affect soffice, I think that is unlikely, so my guess is that there is some issue in the soffice configuration, or that I am missing some file or link. Any thoughts? The evolution problem could be related to some of the errors, dealing with dbus, and I am working on tracking those down. Any pointers appreciated. (I arrived at this due to timestamp relationships.) Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: still having update issues with gcc (solved)
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 20:42 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote: > les wrote: > > HI, everyone, > > I am still having the update issue with gcc. I will follow this message > > with the error received from "yum update". > > > > Also my processor is periodically locking up. Is anyone else > > experiencing either of these errors? When it locks up, it is running > > one of the cores at or near 100%, and the dbus daemon is running at 54%, > > and if I click the x box on system monitor, the window remains open, but > > the process appears to have died. > > > > I am trying to figure out if these are related or separate issues that > > I have to resolve. > > They would be different issues. > > You’re not too clear on how much is locking up. Can you move the mouse > pointer when the error happens? Can you ping the machine across the > network? > > > Can anyone offer any guidance, and as to the update of gcc, there was > > an earlier email where someone indicated that a update was needed but > > not available yet. Any help on that front either? > > For what it’s worth, I can see much the same thing here. If you’re happy > to run with a version of clang and llvm that LLVM have released but is > still in Fedora testing, run > yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update clang > then try installing the gcc packages. > > Hope this helps, > > James. > > -- > E-mail: james@ | "I would like to apologise to the relatives of the fan > aprilcottage.co.uk | who gave me 29 books to sign in Odyssey 7, Manchester. >| I'm a little twitchy towards the end of a day of signing >| and did not mean to kill and eat him." -- Terry Pratchett Hi, James and Suvayu, The update completed. This works. Ok, now I will do some more research on the slowdown and lockup issue. The lockup by the way seems to be related to the program issue. I have found errors in Xsession log, and I also found that tracker seems to be eating up a lot of time. Checking the tracker files it seems trying to connect somewhere with no success, although I cannot see where it is trying to connect. There are also a few boot errors. In short, there are lots of issues going on behind the scenes that I am getting little direct feedback. I may psychic, I see lots of reading in my future... Drop this thread as completed, and I will open a new one on the slow down and lockup issue once I have some concrete information to share. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
still having update issues with gcc
HI, everyone, I am still having the update issue with gcc. I will follow this message with the error received from "yum update". Also my processor is periodically locking up. Is anyone else experiencing either of these errors? When it locks up, it is running one of the cores at or near 100%, and the dbus daemon is running at 54%, and if I click the x box on system monitor, the window remains open, but the process appears to have died. I am trying to figure out if these are related or separate issues that I have to resolve. Can anyone offer any guidance, and as to the update of gcc, there was an earlier email where someone indicated that a update was needed but not available yet. Any help on that front either? Regards, Les H # yum install gcc-c++.x86_64 Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit Setting up Install Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package gcc-c++.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated --> Processing Dependency: gcc-c++ = 4.6.2 for package: clang-2.9-6.fc16.x86_64 ---> Package gcc-c++.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++-devel = 4.6.3-2.fc16 for package: gcc-c++-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libstdc++ = 4.6.3-2.fc16 for package: gcc-c ++-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: gcc = 4.6.3-2.fc16 for package: gcc-c ++-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 --> Running transaction check ---> Package gcc.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated --> Processing Dependency: gcc = 4.6.2-1.fc16 for package: gcc-java-4.6.2-1.fc16.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: gcc = 4.6.2 for package: libtool-2.4-8.fc16.x86_64 ---> Package gcc.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update --> Processing Dependency: libgomp = 4.6.3-2.fc16 for package: gcc-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: cpp = 4.6.3-2.fc16 for package: gcc-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libgcc >= 4.6.3-2.fc16 for package: gcc-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 ---> Package gcc-c++.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated --> Processing Dependency: gcc-c++ = 4.6.2 for package: clang-2.9-6.fc16.x86_64 ---> Package libstdc++.i686 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package libstdc++.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package libstdc++.i686 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update ---> Package libstdc++.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update ---> Package libstdc++-devel.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package libstdc++-devel.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update --> Running transaction check ---> Package cpp.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package cpp.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update ---> Package gcc-c++.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated --> Processing Dependency: gcc-c++ = 4.6.2 for package: clang-2.9-6.fc16.x86_64 ---> Package gcc-java.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package gcc-java.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update --> Processing Dependency: libgcj-devel = 4.6.3-2.fc16 for package: gcc-java-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libgcj = 4.6.3-2.fc16 for package: gcc-java-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 ---> Package libgcc.i686 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package libgcc.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package libgcc.i686 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update ---> Package libgcc.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update ---> Package libgomp.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package libgomp.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update ---> Package libtool.x86_64 0:2.4-8.fc16 will be updated ---> Package libtool.x86_64 0:2.4-9.fc16 will be an update --> Running transaction check ---> Package gcc-c++.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated --> Processing Dependency: gcc-c++ = 4.6.2 for package: clang-2.9-6.fc16.x86_64 ---> Package libgcj.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package libgcj.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update ---> Package libgcj-devel.x86_64 0:4.6.2-1.fc16 will be updated ---> Package libgcj-devel.x86_64 0:4.6.3-2.fc16 will be an update --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: clang-2.9-6.fc16.x86_64 (@updates) Requires: gcc-c++ = 4.6.2 Removing: gcc-c++-4.6.2-1.fc16.x86_64 (@koji-override-0/$releasever) gcc-c++ = 4.6.2-1.fc16 Updated By: gcc-c++-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 (updates) gcc-c++ = 4.6.3-2.fc16 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updates not occuring, manual update errors out
Hi, Ed and Michael, For now I ran manual updates on everything that did not depend on the GCC stuff (none of that would update anyway.), and now fingers crossed that we get the other bit done soon. Are any of rest of you having the same issue? I was going to ask what would make my setup different, but really I have lots of software tools on here and quite a few outside packages, and stuff I have developed already, so all of that probably has a lot to do with it. Someday I will have stuff to put out for you guys to play with I hope. Regards, Les H On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 11:36 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 01:01:44 -0700, L (les) wrote: > > > Hi, everyone, > > I thought I saw this go by on someone else's dime, but I can't find the > > requisite thread now. Googling did not help me. Here is the error > > message: > > == > > Error: Package: clang-2.9-6.fc16.x86_64 (@updates) > >Requires: gcc-c++ = 4.6.2 > >Removing: gcc-c++-4.6.2-1.fc16.x86_64 > > (@koji-override-0/$releasever) > >gcc-c++ = 4.6.2-1.fc16 > >Updated By: gcc-c++-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 (updates) > >gcc-c++ = 4.6.3-2.fc16 > > You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem > > You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest > > == > > > > The first doesn't change the error message, nor finish the update. > > Obviously, it only excludes updates with broken dependencies. > It cannot fix them. > > "clang" is a build from the "llvm" package set. It needs an update for the > new GCC, but is still in updates-testing: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-4574 > > > the second hums away for a bit but no issues seem to arise and no > > messages: > > = > > # rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest > > # > > > > > > I tried yum clean all just to make sure there was no other issue > > clouding the results, but everything seems OK. What does this > > (@koji-override-0/$releasever) bit actually mean anyway? > > It's a repository id as in "yum list installed". > > -- > Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle) - Linux 3.3.0-1.fc17.x86_64 > loadavg: 0.02 0.04 0.10 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Updates not occuring, manual update errors out
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 01:01 -0700, les wrote: > Hi, everyone, > I thought I saw this go by on someone else's dime, but I can't find the > requisite thread now. Googling did not help me. Here is the error > message: > == > Error: Package: clang-2.9-6.fc16.x86_64 (@updates) >Requires: gcc-c++ = 4.6.2 >Removing: gcc-c++-4.6.2-1.fc16.x86_64 > (@koji-override-0/$releasever) >gcc-c++ = 4.6.2-1.fc16 >Updated By: gcc-c++-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 (updates) >gcc-c++ = 4.6.3-2.fc16 > You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem > You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest > == > > The first doesn't change the error message, nor finish the update. > the second hums away for a bit but no issues seem to arise and no > messages: > = > # rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest > # > > > I tried yum clean all just to make sure there was no other issue > clouding the results, but everything seems OK. What does this > (@koji-override-0/$releasever) bit actually mean anyway? > > Regards, > Les H > > I must have typed something wrong in the search last time, because this time it came up. The message from September said to use the following command, but on my system I didn't get much joy. Any hints out there? # yumdownloader evolution-data-server-3.1.90-1.fc16.x86_64 Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit No Match for argument evolution-data-server-3.1.90-1.fc16.x86_64 Nothing to download Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Updates not occuring, manual update errors out
Hi, everyone, I thought I saw this go by on someone else's dime, but I can't find the requisite thread now. Googling did not help me. Here is the error message: == Error: Package: clang-2.9-6.fc16.x86_64 (@updates) Requires: gcc-c++ = 4.6.2 Removing: gcc-c++-4.6.2-1.fc16.x86_64 (@koji-override-0/$releasever) gcc-c++ = 4.6.2-1.fc16 Updated By: gcc-c++-4.6.3-2.fc16.x86_64 (updates) gcc-c++ = 4.6.3-2.fc16 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest == The first doesn't change the error message, nor finish the update. the second hums away for a bit but no issues seem to arise and no messages: = # rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest # I tried yum clean all just to make sure there was no other issue clouding the results, but everything seems OK. What does this (@koji-override-0/$releasever) bit actually mean anyway? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Another Pulseaudio Adventure
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 11:08 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/12/2012 09:57 AM, stan wrote: > > As the underlying system becomes more and more complex, and my use > > case further and further out of the mainstream, I find myself able to > > give less and less help. That said, I'll add the following to your > > excellent point above. > > I have a little list. > They will never be missed! > > And I'll add two of my own. First, people who think there's One True > Way to do everything and assume that everybody knows and loves their > favorite tools. Not everybody knows (or wants to know) vi, so if you're > going to tell a beginner to use it, include complete instructions, > including how to save and exit. Not everybody (except on Ubuntu) uses > sudo for root access. Some of us prefer su, and don't particularly like > the assumption that everybody in the world uses sudo; just tell us to do > something *as root* and let us decide what tool to use. > > Second, people who expect you to know their hardware, their update > status, what DE they're using and so on and never give out such > elementary info without being asked, often several times. Included in > this, btw, are people who report that a program failed with an error > message that they didn't bother to write down, so that nobody has the > slightest idea what actually happened. I agree with some of this, but the second point that people expect you to know their hardware etc. just likely don't realize how much information you need to help them. I worked in support of complex systems for about four decades, and everyone I helped just did not seem to realize that the hardware, software, programming language etc. is all a system, and to understand a systemic problem you need the information about the system, not just the problem or error message. And by the way, the people I was helping were all engineers of one stripe or another. If engineers cannot realize this, how can a normal consumer who is say a financial person be expected to know it, or act in an anticipated way? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Gnome-tweak-tool issues
I have added gnome-tweak-tool to my system. However I have some problems with it. First run from the software install tool went OK. Made changes to various fonts, and they took effect. However on subsequent runs I had to start it from the command line, and it hung up, but I also got a few warnings and errors which are listed below. Is there any package I need to install to overcome these issues? Second and subsequent runs: $ gnome-tweak-tool WARNING : Schema /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.shell.gschema.xml missing summary text: 1 WARNING : Schema /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.shell.gschema.xml missing summary text: 0 (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed (gnome-tweak-tool:2166): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_preferred_height_for_width: assertion `width >= 0' failed -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Desktop desires and questions
On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 19:33 +, James Wilkinson wrote: > les wrote: > > The need to click to get to the computer is annoying at its very best > > and a real vocabulary expander in normal use. Every time I use one > > application and I want to access another I have to click > > "activities" > Or press the Windows key > > my windows shrink > > and I have to move the mouse to > > "applications" > Or type the name of the program, or change the dock at the left of the > screen. You can just drag and drop programs into that list, and they’ll > stay in the order you put them. If you put your commonly-used programs > there, you’ll rarely have to use any other way of launching programs. > > You should also examine the various gnome-shell-extension programs, and > especially the gnome-tweak-tool program, which allows you to change a > number of individual niggles. > > > 7. do whatever else can be done to allow font selection, including > > fontsize as well as icon size for the desktop. This is an HID > > requirement anyway. > > Well, the accessibility icon (the picture of a person) in the top right > of the screen gives you access to large fonts. More control can be got > through the gnome-tweak-tool program. > > Hope this helps, > > James. > > -- > E-mail: james@ | The "Power Switch" on ATX supplies, like traffic lights > aprilcottage.co.uk | in Paris, really is just a polite suggestion. >| -- Mike Andrews I just found the gnome-tweak-tool. I now have gigantic fonts, a bit too large, so I will have to play with it a bit. Unfortunately it doesn't change the names associated with the icons sufficiently, which I really need. I still need to research which setting affects that. I know the favorites bar, I have about 20 applications I use routinely, and several places I need to directly access, so I am unsure if the "favorites bar" will expand to show that or will I just end up with yet another scroll bar or other move/click to deal with. Maybe KDE is the answer, but it seems like from what I see on the Web that KDE is headed this route as well. So based on that I think getting all of us to input reasons for our dislike along with suggestions and maybe some day triage to consolidate the list, we might actually get some thing useful out of it. Thanks for the suggestion and I am working on the interface issues myself. Maybe a switch that says "my custom DM" will be the outcome. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Installing MPLABX on F16 SOLVED
I have already gotten this to work, but this is my process in case it will help someone else. 1. download the latest MPLABX from microchip 2. run the installer 3. touch /.autorelable just to ensure SELinux picks up the files 4. reboot 5. login as the user 6. got the OH no message. 7. reboot (as the system was basically disabled) 8. login as admin 9. run SEtroubleshooter 10. follow the instructions to audit2allow and semodule 11. touch /.autorelable just insurance 12. reboot 13. login as user 14. login successful, but another selinux error on colord 15 repeat steps 3-13 to get successful login I haven't used it yet, but will soon. I think it is OK, as it comes up alright at this point in time. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Desktop desires and questions
HI, everyone, I know that this has been discussed before, and I will go back and read more of that. I want more efficient use of my desktop. Pretty is nice for most people and of course design driven types, but I am a technophile, closer to Sheldon (of big bang theory) than normal people. I know that. Here is what I find in using the desktop as it exists in F16: The need to click to get to the computer is annoying at its very best and a real vocabulary expander in normal use. Every time I use one application and I want to access another I have to click "activities" my windows shrink and I have to move the mouse to "applications" click I get the menubar I should have in the first place of course its on the opposite side of the screen and I now have to mouse over there and click "topic" (and the applications are somehow scattered by my view) which should be a pullright to a menu but which sprinkles applications all over the screen. mouse to my application click "my application" And finally my application comes up. Oh, yes, I do have a 23" monitor, so the route of crossing the desktop will get worse when I upgrade or go to multiple monitors later this year. This is so ergonomically inefficient, so slowing that it adversely impacts my progress. Anyway, that is only the most irritating bit I have found so far, but it is worse. I don't see anyway to move the icons, change their sizes, move them to various menus, expand the menus, or do anything at all to change the current layout which is not at all conducive to my work. I put this off long enough to hope that these issues had been addressed, but they are not. I don't want to start a flame war. I don't want to start a debate about desktop managers (I know there are many out there) Nor do I wish to castigate anyone. I want to just make the thing do what I want without a whole lot of deep investigation into XML files. I want to know where the documents and or utilities are that will let me do something to improve my working environment and get back to efficiency. If you have useful information, please send it on. I am sure I am not the only one who wants this information, nor should it be hand editing xml files, although if that is the only method, I will do it until I get too frustrated with Fedora. AT this point I will not give the disks to a friend who wants to use Fedora, because he is sight impaired and this desktop will not work. That is a real affront to disabled people and should spark some kind of action by everyone involved. Please keep it civil and provide solutions for this desktop, don't say change desktops, don't start flaming, just help me and others get this thing to do what we need. With all that said, the basic needs as I see it are: 1. a way to get a list type menu instead of icons 2. a way to move the icons (if a list is not possible) or listing to different top level applications menus. 3. Get the applications menu on screen all the time as a pulldown. 4. ability to change icons by right clicking on the current icon and selecting a "change icon" menu which will open a file navigator. 5. remove the "activities" switch and put the windows and applications buttons in its place with pull downs optional. 6. remove the "favorites" and just let us put the icons on the desktop if we so desire. 7. do whatever else can be done to allow font selection, including fontsize as well as icon size for the desktop. This is an HID requirement anyway. 8. Stop the messing around with the open desktop in any way whatsoever. It is distracting and interferes with efficiency. Oh, and I did do some Google-ing, but got very little useful information. Since Fedora is the cutting edge, lets make it cut a good swath. Thanks. Regards, Les Howell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Evolution error
On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 09:59 -0500, John Mellor wrote: > On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 02:55 -0800, les wrote: > > It appears the automatic importation of the older evolution stuff still > > has a bug or two. I wrote and sent the solved message, and it > > apparently went out, but I received the following error message: > > > > Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing. > > > > The reported error was "Failed to append to > > mbox:///home/lesh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent: Invalid folder > > URI 'mbox:///home/lesh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent' > > Appending to local 'Sent' folder instead.". > > This has a documented workaround: > Click on Edit -> Preferences > Then, for each mail account that you have (I have 3), click on it, and > select: > Edit -> Defaults tab > and change the Sent Messages Folder to the Sent folder instead of the > incorrect #Sent folder. > > I do not know why a fix has not been pushed out for this, 6 months after > the bug showed up. It affects a huge number of people. > Thanks, John, I was quite tired when I discovered the error and didn't google it. I appologize for not finding the issue, and appreciate your help. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: issues logging in after fresh install fc16
On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 10:27 -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 02/17/2012 10:59 PM, Les Howell wrote: > ... > > 1. back up all users using TAR. > ... > > 7. copy the splits back to /home , use cat to rejoin them and tar -xf. > > : all good user directories fully restored. > > Most people have /home being a separate partition ... I'm not sure I > really understand your setup, but of course backups are good - however > there should be no need to re-copy /home/ if you keep it a separate > partition. It will also keep all the selinux labels and save you a lot > of bother. > > gene Hi, gene, I know, and I even had a separate disk for the users for a while, which I really like using. I can unplug it for some work, or even substitute it for some security type work, but some time ago I had a problem with the disk not mounting and I never got back to that method. Will the selinux perform with a separate disk as well? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Evolution error
It appears the automatic importation of the older evolution stuff still has a bug or two. I wrote and sent the solved message, and it apparently went out, but I received the following error message: Your message was sent, but an error occurred during post-processing. The reported error was "Failed to append to mbox:///home/lesh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent: Invalid folder URI 'mbox:///home/lesh/.local/share/evolution/mail/local#Sent' Appending to local 'Sent' folder instead.". Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: issues logging in after fresh install fc16 SOLVED!!
On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 02:05 -0800, Les Howell wrote: > > > --- On Fri, 2/17/12, Tim wrote: > > From: Tim > Subject: Re: issues logging in after fresh install fc16 > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > > Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 8:29 PM > > On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 19:59 -0800, Les Howell wrote: > > NEW problem ON login I get the Fedora version of BSD "Oh > No! > > something has gone wrong" Only option button is logout. > This is not > > helpful... > > Agreed. > > > Also get a SELinux alert but of course can't read it due to > the > > logout button screen blocking the world from view. > > Sometimes left or right clicking on some other part of the > screen, > apparently with no reaction, does prove useful in a delayed > manner > (something else shows up, or you do actually manage to log in > despite > the appearance that you're not going to be allowed to). > > Have you done a "yum update" after your install? That made it > usable > for me. > > -- > [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 > > Hi, Tim, > Yes, I did yum update immediately after the install. Sorry I > left that out of the log. > I am sure it is something in my user account that is messing > up. However I use a large number of tools, and have ongoing > development of some software, some embedded stuff and two > books in that directory, so I really don't want to spend too > much time trying out vearious things. If there is a log to > check, that would be wonderful. dmesg didn't tell me anything > useful. I am still poking the carcass, and found a few > interesting things: > 1. the add users tools is in the "other" portion of the > menus. I think it would be better in system tools. There are > a few other things I would move. But I can't drag and drop > them into the other menues. > 2. The shows what appears to be extra unformatted > partitions on the disk, at least if I am reading it correctly. > Not to worry I know because I have plenty of space, I just > wasn't expecting F16 to leave nearly half the disk > unformatted. > > I am going to spend tomorrow on it, then if I cannot resolve > the issue I will create a new user, and begin migrating > directories one at a time until things work. However this is > no way the way things should work. There is nothing more > frustrating than a useless error message with no clue what > caused it or where to look for more information. Whoever > wrote that little bit of trivia needs to revisit it and > provide some useful guidance. > > And for those who don't like the new format of the desktop > +1 to get to a specific application before with a right > click and a pull down, it is replaced with two clicks, a > scroll some more clicks and other handwaving of one sort or > another. AND NO LIST. What about the visually impared. How > can a screen reader deal with this? > > Some lessons have to be learned again and again I guess. > > Oh well, back to the original problem. I think I will try > another search based on the login time to see if I can find > another error file updated. I looked at a lot before I found > the xsession-errors file that had been updated. Maybe there > is another I missed. > > I will also try the trick of clicking somewhere else on the > screen. thanks, > > Les H > Well, I deleted a bunch of old gaming .xx directories in the user file and one or two of applications I no longer use and things got better. I could log in, but not do anything. I restarted the system, and logged in as my admin user, opened the selinux troubleshooter and found that there were three problems, two with colord needing dbus read and another that I can't read my own handwriting to figure out again. Followed the advice and set the policy to set those using audit2allow and semodule -i as instructed. Then touched /.autorelable and rebooted. Next login I got "Could not create ICE listening socket
Re: issues logging in after fresh install fc16
--- On Fri, 2/17/12, Tim wrote: From: Tim Subject: Re: issues logging in after fresh install fc16 To: "Community support for Fedora users" Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 8:29 PM On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 19:59 -0800, Les Howell wrote: > NEW problem ON login I get the Fedora version of BSD "Oh No! > something has gone wrong" Only option button is logout. This is not > helpful... Agreed. > Also get a SELinux alert but of course can't read it due to the > logout button screen blocking the world from view. Sometimes left or right clicking on some other part of the screen, apparently with no reaction, does prove useful in a delayed manner (something else shows up, or you do actually manage to log in despite the appearance that you're not going to be allowed to). Have you done a "yum update" after your install? That made it usable for me. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Hi, Tim, Yes, I did yum update immediately after the install. Sorry I left that out of the log. I am sure it is something in my user account that is messing up. However I use a large number of tools, and have ongoing development of some software, some embedded stuff and two books in that directory, so I really don't want to spend too much time trying out vearious things. If there is a log to check, that would be wonderful. dmesg didn't tell me anything useful. I am still poking the carcass, and found a few interesting things: 1. the add users tools is in the "other" portion of the menus. I think it would be better in system tools. There are a few other things I would move. But I can't drag and drop them into the other menues. 2. The shows what appears to be extra unformatted partitions on the disk, at least if I am reading it correctly. Not to worry I know because I have plenty of space, I just wasn't expecting F16 to leave nearly half the disk unformatted. I am going to spend tomorrow on it, then if I cannot resolve the issue I will create a new user, and begin migrating directories one at a time until things work. However this is no way the way things should work. There is nothing more frustrating than a useless error message with no clue what caused it or where to look for more information. Whoever wrote that little bit of trivia needs to revisit it and provide some useful guidance. And for those who don't like the new format of the desktop +1 to get to a specific application before with a right click and a pull down, it is replaced with two clicks, a scroll some more clicks and other handwaving of one sort or another. AND NO LIST. What about the visually impared. How can a screen reader deal with this? Some lessons have to be learned again and again I guess. Oh well, back to the original problem. I think I will try another search based on the login time to see if I can find another error file updated. I looked at a lot before I found the xsession-errors file that had been updated. Maybe there is another I missed. I will also try the trick of clicking somewhere else on the screen. thanks, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
issues logging in after fresh install fc16
OK, I have never had such issues I have read and tried many things on users groups, on various mailing lists and my good friend google, but so far it has been 12 hours with no joy... The process I followed is: 1. back up all users using TAR. 2. segment the tar files using split to get several sequential files of 2G sizes. 3. save that to an older windows formatted USB disk (this has all worked multiple times) 4. Remove all drives I don't want affected by the install (purely a preventive measure due to a stumple finger one time in the past) 5. reboot, with the install dvd in the drive 6. install : all good, got my admin privilege user and could boot to rescue mode if needed. 7. copy the splits back to /home , use cat to rejoin them and tar -xf. : all good user directories fully restored. 8. go to add users and groups and add the users. Note the changes to 1000 sequence numbers, and so go to the directories and do the chgrp, chown commands double check that all is well. : minor users log in as expected BUT my big user (me) with all kinds of settings doesn't log. got the infamous .ICEauthority error. Fixed that by booting to recover mode and changing the .ICEauthority permissions, group and owner. NEW problem ON login I get the Fedora version of BSD "Oh No! something has gone wrong" Only option button is logout. This is not helpful... Also get a SELinux alert but of course can't read it due to the logout button screen blocking the world from view. Logging on as root user, checking the .xsession-errors I find a rather long file ending with the following: (tracker-miner-fs:1803): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The connection is closed (tracker-miner-fs:1803): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The connection is closed (tracker-miner-fs:1803): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The connection is closed (tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor',sender='org.gtk.Private.AfcVolumeMonitor',': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. (tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.freedesktop.DBus',member='NameOwnerChanged',arg0='org.gtk.Private.AfcVolumeMonitor'': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed (tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor',sender='org.gtk.Private.GPhoto2VolumeMonitor',': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed (tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.freedesktop.DBus',member='NameOwnerChanged',arg0='org.gtk.Private.GPhoto2VolumeMonitor'': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed (tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor',sender='org.gtk.Private.GduVolumeMonitor',': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed (tracker-miner-fs:1803): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: cannot remove match rule 'type='signal',interface='org.freedesktop.DBus',member='NameOwnerChanged',arg0='org.gtk.Private.GduVolumeMonitor'': org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected: Connection is closed OK Any suggestions? I don't even know what I would google for to figure this one out. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: glxgear and glxinfo confusion
able of about 60dB detection of both phase and amplitude. Some people are even better than that. For reference 60dB (power) means a noise level of 7uv on a 7v signal (about 6w on 8 ohms.) The human senses are remarkably sensitive, and those who have greater than normal capabilities are truly capable of discerning minute differences between similar things. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Listings Question About Ping
i/Color_vision#In_animals > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_color_vision > > > And for our next off-topic, do we have someone who'd like to discuss the > > theory of relativity for us? ;-) Makes a change from discussing why > > Gnome and Windows suck. > > [me loading extension_Relativity... skipping: already hard-coded] > > In any discussion related to theory of relativity it always helps to have an > expert around --- so you can consider yourself lucky. ;-) Since this part of > the thread is already completely OT, feel free to ask whatever you like about > relativity, I'll try to respond as long as I don't become too busy with real > life stuff... :-) > > HTH, :-) > Marko > > Hi, Marko, This is a great offer. I have a smattering of knowledge about some things, and complete blanks about most in physics. One of the recent things I became aware of is something called ballistic transport of electrons in carbon nano-tubes. I read somewhere (and don't remember where) that electrons in carbon nano-tubes appear to exceed the speed of light. I have made really precise measurement of various electrical things, such as 500femto farad capacitors, and currents into hundreds of picoamps, along with time measurements resolved into the attosecond range, so I realize that there is a lot of capability out there, but how is it that the speed of an electron through a carbon nanotube can be measured repeatedly at speeds greater than light speed? I have a few ideas, but I haven't read any articles on how the actual physical measurement was made. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Eclipse and LD_PRELOAD
Hi, everyone, I have searched and read all I can find, but cannot figure out where in eclipse to add the LD_PRELOAD=malloc_g option. If any of you use this, or know the secret, or where to read about it, please let me know. I have spent a whole day and a half looking at various posts, tutorials, and so on, but cannot find it. My search-fu is seriously taking a hit on this one. Thanks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Partition Management
On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 18:55 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote: > My wife's machine is a full up FC14 x86_64 and I now have the joy of > trying to put windows XP on due to constraints at her work. > > I figured no problem, Install windows from scratch and constrain the > partition size and reinstall Fedora. Windows setup craps out with an > error message saying the drive is corrupted. The best I can figure is > that it can't for some reason overwrite Fedora. > > Any clues on how to clear enough space for Windows or erase the disk so > I can make it a dual boot in the normal fashion? > > Thanks > > Mike D. If it is not a laptop, you can put in a second disk with Windows on it. Then you can either dual boot or use a VM to have access to both. If a laptop, you could move the whole existing linux to an outboard drive, and dual boot by simply rebooting with the boot parameters set to boot external if its available. Otherwise you will need to repartition the disk. If I were doing that, I would make a complete backup first just for insurance. Windows 7 is a nuisance because a lot of my older development apps would not run. I ended up going all the way to ultimate to get most things back I needed. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:15 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 28.11.2011 09:12, schrieb les: > > On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally > >> because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation > >> and with the top-posting you need not to scroll and see the whole > >> answer in the preview after select a message > >> > >> so this is all a point of view > >> > > But business email is not normally archived for later use. It is > > essentially one time communications with a few exceptions. And this > > difference is essential between a mailing list and simple email > > exchanges. > > Just my 2 cents worth, and that ain't much these days > > where do you work that you are allowed to delete business-communication? :-) > > > Well, I'm retired now. But day to day communications about everything non product related, like submit this report, or check on customer x, and so on were deleted routinely. Today, not much is deleted, I know, from the central servers, but on the users local disk, a lot of the day-to-day communications is deleted routinely, and would only be looked at in some larger context, possibly legal, but even in that area, much of it is just the drivel of how work gets done. Sometimes it might lead some legal beagle to some smoking gun, but likely it is just noise. Additionally the ability to archive huge amounts of communications is a relatively new capability. I retired in 2005, and disk space was still a bit of a premium, and I know there are limits even today. Many of my communications with customers contained files of encrypted and/or compressed data, and a single programs data files could easily exceed 5G for one version with generally multiple versions. The data was often transmitted in several files via EMAIL and sometimes through web portals with encryption and specific one way accounts. I am sure those communications, which detailed the progress of programs and developments are archived somewhere and probably several somewheres. But by and large, these things have a limited shelf life in the corporations usage, so the archives were typically TAPE, which was dated and stored off site. They were and probably are not designed like a mailing list archive for instantaneous retrieval and review. Nor in most cases is the historical linkage valuable to someone perusing the work for references. Likely they are interested in the end product for reproduction or reuse. Which is not the same type of use as a mailing list. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 + > > Frank Murphy wrote: > > > >> That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) > >> Let's see the rant's now. > > > > A. Because people read from top to bottom. > > Q. Why should I not top post? > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > A: Top-posting. > > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? > > but only in mailing-lists and there only because not all are doing this > > yes i and peopole are reading from top to bottom > and if i follow a conversation i normally know the postings before > so i need only to read the answers > > with top-posting i would not have to scroll or ONLY if i have > not read the messages before and even if i do not know the whole > thread i must only ONE TIME scroll down and read from bottom to > top, but only once > > so the only real problem is that so many people do not top-posting > and that they which do not realize if the thread was with answers > below the question and suddenly start mixing what is really bad > because you have a question and some answers below and some in top of > > in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally > because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation > and with the top-posting you need not to scroll and see the whole > answer in the preview after select a message > > so this is all a point of view > But business email is not normally archived for later use. It is essentially one time communications with a few exceptions. And this difference is essential between a mailing list and simple email exchanges. Just my 2 cents worth, and that ain't much these days. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
in the count of allocated segments, the file name is no longer reported by the file system, and to the casual user the file is gone. Enter a requirement for security, and things are different. Using recovery tools, those "deleted files" and "formatted disks" are still full of data. And moreover, the file segments contain clues that will allow the linkages to be recovered. Thus a formatted disk or a deleted file can be recovered. To be secure means to remove all traces of the file or to completely clean the disk. With today's disks containing Terabytes of information, cleaning one can take forever. It takes several varieties of writing to the disk to completely obliterate any trace of the file data, to get the idea, just think of what the disk is designed to do. It is designed to hold the magnetic fields for decades. It will not give up that magnetization easily. Moreover, the longer the data was in place, the more embedded it is into the disk coating, at least until the coating begins to mechanically degrade. Disk forensics will recover any formatted disks, and can recover files, even after they have been overwritten a few times. Understanding this is vital if you wish to provide security to yourself or your users. In most circumstances, the only way to ensure the loss of all data on a disk is to physically destroy the disk with fire or mechanical shredding. Enter solid state media. The new flash products rely on physics for storage. The data is permanently installed into what you could consider electrically isolated canisters. To physically erase that data, a much greater change in power is required, so the flash systems use a dc to dc converter to produce a stronger voltage to overcome the storage and erase the data. The same method is used to write new data. But a cell can only be written to a "one" state, or to a "zero" state, depending on the design. Therefore to write a bit into a block, the block must be temporarily stored, the block erased, the new bit written into the temporary copy and then that block written to the blank segment. But because the erase and write process are physically incrementally destructive, additional steps are taken to "level the usage" thus the block you write is typically not physically the same block you erased. That means that data is left in various places over the solid state device. Unfortunately (if you are security conscious), the bits are not random, they are not totally erased, and they can be recovered using a different set of forensic tools. Thus the format, delete and other file and file system utilities have even less hold on the data than with rotating disks. Being familiar with these systems and their internals gives you an edge in holding your own on personal security and system security. For example, one early virus would just mark various segments of the disk as unusable. This prevents the disc control software from reading or writing to that segment. It can allow an intruder to secure a bit of your disk from your use. This can be used to hide a virus or to hold copies of information, for example from a key stroke tracker or mouse tracker. That information can later be recovered by the virus and transmitted clandestinely to a remote host(s). Understanding the underlying mechanisms allow you to be able to better understand the strengths and weaknesses of the systems you use. Feel free to correct me where you see errors, as this was just off the top of my head. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
On Sat, 2011-08-27 at 15:54 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 00:21 +0930, Tim wrote: > > > > Fernando Cassia: > > > I disagree. I think that is exactly what formatting means, laying > > out > > > a new file system, and erasing the contents in the process. > > > > You can think what you like, it doesn't make misconceptions true. > > > > And my comment was specifically about what I quoted, but... > > > > Formatting means preparing a file system, it doesn't *mean* erasing > > the > > contents. It's a side-effect that your files are seemingly erased, > > but > > they're not. They're still there. And easily recovered with the most > > rudimentary of effort. > It does mean erasing the files on the disk or other media. Now what dews > erasing mean. It means that any program whose purpose is to list files > on the media will find no files. That is what most people mean by > erasing. In windows the system, tells you that all the contents of the > file will be lost. That is erasing in normal parlance. > > You know a secret that you want us all to take note of. That the > contents of the files are not erased. Only the links that allow us to > find the files are removed. And if you are knowledgeable about the > structure of the file system you can recover those links and bring the > files back. > That is true but not generally useful. Or to put it another way it is > only useful to people panicing that a file seems to have disappeared. > > I also disagree with the statement: They're still there. And easily > recovered with the most rudimentary of effort. They are not easily > recovered and the process is not rudimentary. > -- > === > I've finally learned what "upward compatible" means. It means we get to > keep all our old mistakes. -- Dennie van Tassel > === > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net > Actually I have used file recovery software. And while you may not think it is easy (it is not a trivial program to write is the meaning I think you inscribe to the process), running the program was quite simple, and it did recover my files. It took about 4 hours on a very large disk. But I just started the program and came back to find the disk recovered. To me, that is relatively easy. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 20:04 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > el... > > I would love to see the folks in Redmond squirm. Windows has so many > problems that it should be banned from anywhere where reliability is > key. Go to your local hospital and see what they are running. It > scares me that they are running WindowsXP/Vista/Seven on the front end > and WindowsServer on the back. I would, from a security viewpoint, love > to see this replaced with Linux and running a secure UI program. This > is easier on Linux than Windows... > > James McKenzie Not only do I agree with this, but I recently purchased a new laptop for work. It came with Windows 7 Home Premium. I then began bringing up the utilities for my work. The first one took two days to get working. The second took 3 weeks, and I ended up having to go to the top version of windows 7, an additional 100+US$. I haven't upgraded to F15 yet, but the other tools I use on a daily basis are all installed and working, and the reload time to get everything going on F14 was 8 hours, not counting the download time. If you add the download time and the upgrade time over DSL, it took a total of 23.5 hours. I routinely use over 30 applications on Linux, and only 6 on windows. So guess which I prefer. My Linux systems are still the best in my work, in my hobbies, and only fall short in gaming, but mostly I haven't looked up any Linux gaming sites, because I only really like one game, Age of Empires III, which I play on Windows by dual booting my computer. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Error when attempting to add Glade development to my system (FIXED)
On Sat, 2011-04-09 at 15:32 -0700, les wrote: > I have received the following message from the add software gui: > > glade3-3.7.1-2.fc14.x86_64 requires libgladeui-1.so.10()(64bit) > glade3-libgladeui-devel-3.7.1-2.fc14.x86_64 requires > libgladeui-1.so.10()(64bit) > > I thought, NO problem! Just use the find button for: > libgladeui-1.so.10 No luck > libgladeui-1.so No luck > libgladeui-1 No luck > libgladeui No luck > > > Any idea of what I need to do to get Glade to load and work? It will > work, won't it? > > Regards, > Les H > I had apparently loaded a version from fc12 at some point in the past for something to do with pulse audio development, and removing that package fixed the problem. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Error when attempting to add Glade development to my system
I have received the following message from the add software gui: glade3-3.7.1-2.fc14.x86_64 requires libgladeui-1.so.10()(64bit) glade3-libgladeui-devel-3.7.1-2.fc14.x86_64 requires libgladeui-1.so.10()(64bit) I thought, NO problem! Just use the find button for: libgladeui-1.so.10 No luck libgladeui-1.so No luck libgladeui-1No luck libgladeui No luck Any idea of what I need to do to get Glade to load and work? It will work, won't it? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"
On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 20:11 +0930, Tim wrote: > Lamar Owen: > >> Lots of DVD drives use the Z80 and the successor chips > > Tom Horsley: > > That must explain why it takes 'em 10 minutes to figure > > out what kind of disk you just put in the drive :-). > > LOL! I've never really understood why computer hardware is handled so > crapily. The computer can do millions of somethings a second, but it > takes 15+ seconds to recognise a disc and mount it, or notice that > there's a wireless network, spend ages connecting to it, etc. > > I've still got a Z80 based personal computer in the spare room (a > VZ300), that I've never figured out a practical use for. > > -- > [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I > read messages from the public lists. > > > That is not the problem. The actual response to the system is an ID code. The system then hunts through a database of ID codes to find the appropriate control structures, at least the first time. If the disk has formatting and control software that must be loaded, then that software has to be read off the disk before its local controller can respond. Disk latency is milliseconds, and if the information is stored for retrieval by a fast system, the slower Z80 or microcontroller may require several revolutions to retrieve various bits of information. The partition table and other records must also be read, taking additional time. However, you are luckily working on Linux, and you are free to improve the software ;-) The disk drive controller software may not be changable, depending upon the design, and whether or not you have access to information about the controller architecture. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: sinf compiler error I don't understand FIXED!!
On Sun, 2011-04-03 at 00:13 +0100, Ian Malone wrote:
> On 1 April 2011 23:29, les wrote:
> > First let me say, that while I have used C++ I don't normally use it for
> > my work and so am not throughly familiar with what it does, so if this
> > is due to a C++ error, please be gentle.
> >
> > I am working on some DSP code I developed a long time ago, and now want
> > to port it to 64 bit. I have read several articles on the differences
> > in C and C++ between 32 and 64 bit, but this has me stymied.
> >
> > Here is the smallest sample I have been working with to show the current
> > error:
> >
> > #include
> > #include
> > #include
> > #include
> >
> > main()
> > {
> >long double temp;
> >printf ("M_PI=%e\n",M_PI);
> >printf ("sin 90 = %e\n",sinf(M_PI/2));
> >temp=M_PI/2.0;
> > // the following line won't compile for temp
> > // regardless of how temp is declared (float, double, long double)
> > // printf ("sin 90 = %e\n",sinf(temp));
> > }
> >
> >
> > Clearly sinf is recognized, and compiles and runs. It returns 1.000 as
> > expected for M_PI/2. But the line that is commented out will not
> > compile.
> >
> > If you can see the issue here, please let me know.
> >
>
> > yum info GCC shows:
> > Name: gcc
> > Arch: x86_64
> > Version : 4.5.1
> > Release : 4.fc14
> >
>
> F13 here:
> Name: gcc
> Arch: x86_64
> Version : 4.4.5
> Release : 2.fc13
>
> How are you compiling it? If I uncomment the last printf then compile like:
> $ g++ test.cc -Wall -o test
>
> I get:
> test.cc:6: warning: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ‘main’ with no type
>
> But otherwise compiles and runs as expected. I'd point out that sinf
> is float precision, sin is double and sinl long double. With c++ I
> might expect type issues (as you did in your comment), but struggling
> to see anything wrong with this. Any particular error when it fails to
> compile?
>
The first response found the error -lm which fired up the linker with
the module. Apparently the compiler auto replaced sinf(M_PI/2) with a
constant and didn't throw the linker error, where as the second one put
in the call to the math library and threw the error. Adding -lm loads
the library.
I was compiling as C, but thought the error might have come due to my
miscalling gcc thus invoking the C++ compiler and missing something to
call the correct sin function i.e. sin/sinf/sinl etc. But I had written
good code, just misinterpreted the error and forgot the link argument.
I guess the C++ form as you used probably seeks to find any libraries
required by the code, preventing linker errors. That is probably a good
thing.
I will probably use a make file in the ultimate project and would have
likely caught the problem then, but the night before was an allnighter,
so I was foggy (and being an old fogey, that is double fog).
Regards,
Les H
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Re: sinf compiler error I don't understand (corrected)
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 15:29 -0700, les wrote:
> First let me say, that while I have used C++ I don't normally use it for
> my work and so am not throughly familiar with what it does, so if this
> is due to a C++ error, please be gentle.
>
> I am working on some DSP code I developed a long time ago, and now want
> to port it to 64 bit. I have read several articles on the differences
> in C and C++ between 32 and 64 bit, but this has me stymied.
>
> Here is the smallest sample I have been working with to show the current
> error:
>
> #include
> #include
> #include
> #include
>
> main()
> {
> long double temp;
> printf ("M_PI=%e\n",M_PI);
> printf ("sin 90 = %e\n",sinf(M_PI/2));
> temp=M_PI/2.0;
> // the following line won't compile for temp
> // regardless of how temp is declared (float, double, long double)
> // printf ("sin 90 = %e\n",sinf(temp));
> }
>
>
> Clearly sinf is recognized, and compiles and runs. It returns 1.000 as
> expected for M_PI/2. But the line that is commented out will not
> compile.
>
> If you can see the issue here, please let me know.
>
> MY system is:
> Release Kernel Linux 2.6.35.11-83.fc14.x86_64 ** fixed *
> GNOME 2.32.0
> Hardware
> Memory 7.8GiB
> AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1035T
> Lots of disk space
>
> yum info GCC shows:
> Name: gcc
> Arch: x86_64
> Version : 4.5.1
> Release : 4.fc14
missing command and error message:
gcc -ggdb mathck.c
/tmp/ccTdnf1Z.o: In function `main':
/home/lesh/Code/C/arb_wav_file/mathck.c:14: undefined reference to
`sinf'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> Thanks,
> Les H
>
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sinf compiler error I don't understand
First let me say, that while I have used C++ I don't normally use it for
my work and so am not throughly familiar with what it does, so if this
is due to a C++ error, please be gentle.
I am working on some DSP code I developed a long time ago, and now want
to port it to 64 bit. I have read several articles on the differences
in C and C++ between 32 and 64 bit, but this has me stymied.
Here is the smallest sample I have been working with to show the current
error:
#include
#include
#include
#include
main()
{
long double temp;
printf ("M_PI=%e\n",M_PI);
printf ("sin 90 = %e\n",sinf(M_PI/2));
temp=M_PI/2.0;
// the following line won't compile for temp
// regardless of how temp is declared (float, double, long double)
// printf ("sin 90 = %e\n",sinf(temp));
}
Clearly sinf is recognized, and compiles and runs. It returns 1.000 as
expected for M_PI/2. But the line that is commented out will not
compile.
If you can see the issue here, please let me know.
MY system is:
Release Kernel Linux 2.6.35.``-83.fc14.x86_64
GNOME 2.32.0
Hardware
Memory 7.8GiB
AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1035T
Lots of disk space
yum info GCC shows:
Name: gcc
Arch: x86_64
Version : 4.5.1
Release : 4.fc14
Thanks,
Les H
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Re: [WAYYY OT] Begs the question
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:34 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Tuesday 22 March 2011 03:37:15 Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 03/21/2011 05:49 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > Apparently Nero Wolfe is willing to make contact with > > > the expression "begs the question" :-). > > > > If you read it carefully, you'll see that he's not misusing it; he's > > pointing out that whoever Whipple is referring to as "they" are assuming > > that "it has a basis" without evidence. If he were misusing it, he'd > > have said, "That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > > Now you've got me curious about this. :-) > > If I understand correctly, you say that the original quote (that Tom Horsly > gave) > >"That begs the question. I'll try again. Why do they think it has a basis?" > > is correct usage, while > >"That begs the question, why do they think it has a basis?" > > is incorrect. If I assume that the "I'll try again." sentence in the middle > is > irrelevant in this context, the only difference I see is comma vs. period. > > So, all in all, are you actually complaining about punctuation usage? > > As English is not my native language, I tend to understand the meaning more > from the context than from the syntax, so pardon my ignorance in this. Can > you > explain why is the period-sentence correct while the comma-sentence is > incorrect? > > The way I see it, both sentences convey the same meaning, and I don't > understand why the usage of comma over a period in this case makes the > statement wrong. This may be some subtlety of English that I am not aware of, > so I'd be grateful for an explanation. :-) > > Best, :-) > Marko > Hi, Marko, I will attempt an answer from my own understanding. I may be somewhat in error, but I think it will help you understand the point, and others will always be helpful in clarifying... In a debate (argument if you are less formal) a form of establishing your point is to say something that you believe is supported by the facts without examining the underlying facts too closely. An example of this: Social security is underfunded. That begs the question of what do we do to reduce the payout of social security. The first statement is in doubt because there are experts on all sides of this statement that do not agree that social security is under funded. But by stating it as a fact, the debater can turn the question so that a solution for a non-existent state of affairs becomes the topic, rather than social security itself which should be being discussed. Thus the debater has distracted the audience and possibly altered the course of the debate from the desired discussion to make a personal point. In common use and informal discussion, more correctly one could say: Social Security appears underfunded, begging the question of "What do we do to fix social security?" The difference is that the first is an intentional misdirection, done to deliberately lead the discussion to a desired conclusion without actually examining the facts. Colleges have formalized the debate, and attempted to establish rules of discourse, means of reducing the impact of such attempts at misdirection and misrepresentation with logical precision, at least as logical as one can get given the workings of various persons mental capacities, and given that various people have various backgrounds presenting facts to them that may forever be unknown to the large majority, either through intentional classification and secrecy or through lack of direct in-depth knowledge of the subject. In formal debates, one is supposed to rely on factual material, explain ones conclusions based upon the facts and not bully, mislead or misdirect the discussion. They have given names to the various tricks that manipulators will pull on the public to control the debate. The one under discussion here relates to a statement that may or may not be true being presented as absolute truth, then directing attention from the facts to a desired direct conclusion which may be totally the wrong thing to do, but is a direction the debater wishes to go. I hope this helps. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Libreoffice calculation [OT]
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 22:03 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 12:47 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: > > Not real clear on what you are trying to do. > > Basically what I am messing with, is the March Madness bracket office > pool we have at work. I take the number of wins for a round (example, 5 > wins) and want to be able to just input that number into the cell, and > have it automatically multiply by a set number that scores for that > round (example, 10). > > Maybe this will help > > Round 2 scores 4 points per win. Someone gets 10 wins for that round. > That would be 40 total points for that round. So I want to be able to > just input the 10 and have it automatically multiply by 4 for me, > instead of doing it in my head/on calculator. I also will be printing > this sheet out (maybe converting to html first) to let everyone keep > updated with the scores. So except for the info for the brackets, > nothing else needs to be on there. > > Gonna post a URL to let you see what it currently looks like (html form) > to get an idea of what I want seen. Any calculations that need done are > to be hidden and not seen. > > http://www.miketc.net/bracket.html > > -- > Mike Chambers > Madisonville, KY > > "The best town on Earth!" > Typically I just do the calculations on a background sheet, and only show the top sheet. One sheet does the entry and calculations, the other shows the results. There are many ways to tackle any programming problem, the choice is yours. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 15:38 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/21/2011 03:04 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > It's just that Joe Zeff apparently has a bad day today. ;-) Or maybe he has > > something personal against Stan and uses a public list to pass on a couple > > of > > personal insults. > > Or, maybe, just maybe, I have a personal dislike for that particular > barbarism, just as Mr. Wolfe once stated, "Contact is not a verb under > *this* roof." I find it rather amusing that you choose a fictional character to quote in support of a barb, rather than the author who truly owns the words. But to each his own. Rex Stout might be pleased or offended, depending on how he identifies with his character. In any event the phrase "begs the question" does have common use according to Wikipedia, as has been quoted here: Many English speakers assume "beg the question" means "raise the question" and use it accordingly: for example, "this year's deficit is half a trillion dollars, which begs the question: how are we ever going to balance the budget?" Most commentators deem such usage incorrect.[10] 10. # ^ Follett (1966), 228; Kilpatrick (1997); Martin (2002), 71; Safire (1998). www.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question retrieved 3/21/2011. Language grows by common use. As English has not become a dead language but rather thrives in many places in the world it continuously evolves. Language is what one uses to communicate, and at best communications via spoken or written word is about 70% useful, from my personal observation. Let us not discuss accuracy in spoken or written word, as no real capability exists to quantify the transfer of accuracy by words, although evidence to the contrary exists right in this discourse. We must abide by common use to be understood, like it or not. This is one reason that in centuries past, Latin was chosen to be a "language of science", unfortunately science seems destined to outstrip the capability of that long dead language to express the complex concepts being uncovered almost daily. The uselessness of grammar for some forms of communications has led to development of formal protocols in many areas, such as: police communications, aircraft terminal communications, inter-ship communications, international communications and even to the unusual shorthand that is quickly becoming formalized from twitter users. Rebelling against the formality of grammar also produces such delightful idioms as "That will go over like a lead balloon." Of course the various combined dialects such as Spanglish or patois fly in the face of formal grammar, yet the people using these forms of speaking and or writing, manage to live their lives and communicate with others quite well. And while I am not an erudite scholar, I love to listen to people and try to understand their thought processes and their backgrounds from the words they use and the mannerisms they use to express themselves. It is useful to remember that what constitutes good grammar in English depends on a great deal more than the simple declaration it is English, because of the number of wonderful countries and cultures using English as the basis of their discourse. It is even more useful to remember that here, many people from around the world can see what you have written, and while it is not quite stone, words on the internet tend to hang around for quite a while. Good grammar is useful, when you can find it, but communications exist without it as well. Regards, -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Firefox error
I am getting the following error on one of my fidelity pages: scs.fidelity.com : server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555 I googled "CVE-2009-3555" which reveled the following: The TLS protocol, and the SSL protocol 3.0 and possibly earlier, as used in Microsoft Internet Information Services (IIS) 7.0, mod_ssl in the Apache HTTP Server 2.2.14 and earlier, OpenSSL before 0.9.8l, GnuTLS 2.8.5 and earlier, Mozilla Network Security Services (NSS) 3.12.4 and earlier, multiple Cisco products, and other products, does not properly associate renegotiation handshakes with an existing connection, which allows man-in-the-middle attackers to insert data into HTTPS sessions, and possibly other types of sessions protected by TLS or SSL, by sending an unauthenticated request that is processed retroactively by a server in a post-renegotiation context, related to a "plaintext injection" attack, aka the "Project Mogul" issue. In my case this means I have a function that will not load from the fidelity website. And from reading this, maybe a "man in the middle" vulnerability. Does anyone know if this has been fixed? This would appear to be SSL or OS related from the description, so Firefox and Mono or Moonlight wouldn't seem to be the correct locations for a bug report, and since it is a "known" hazard, the bug must have already been reported. So my question is what should I do to rectify the situation? Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: internet intermittent very long message (solved)
On Sat, 2011-02-12 at 04:54 -0800, les wrote: > Hi, everyone, > I am experiencing internet intermittency. The same computer booted > under windows performs very well, but when running Fedora 14 is very > poor. Videos will only partially load, email (evolution) gives "error > downloading mail", photos and graphics will be interrupted before they > complete, etc. etc. > > tcpdump shows groups of ARP requests about 1 group per second > requesting the users on my network respond in idle (only tcpdump > accessing the network with possibly nntp.) and that's it. > > I have cleared out the various directories where cookies, temp files, > flash stuff and some downloads are saved, Checked the internet > connections by replacing the cable (not really expecting this to change > anything since windows works), and checked various settings according to > AT&T (who do not support linux at all) and looked on line at various > suggestions, all to no gain. > > Basically I don't know what to look at next, and googling has not > returned much in the way of help. Mostly a thread about memcpy, which > may or may not apply. > > Regards, > Les H > Someone suggested having AT&T change the server. Done and done. Alls well that ends well. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Trying to install Fedora 14 on a Stubborn Sony Vaio
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 14:52 -0500, Jim wrote: > On 02/21/2011 02:33 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > --- On Mon, 2/21/11, Jim wrote: > > > >> A Sony Vaio will not let me boot on > >> cdrom with a Crashed Windows OS, > >> trying to install Fedora only on laptop. Even if I > >> have BIOS set to > >> boot off Cdrom. > >> > >> I even hooked a external cdrom to usb and enabled in Bios > >> to be first > >> boot device, won't work, in all cases it will > >> only Attempt to Load > >> Windows. > >> > >> It won't even let you disable hard drive in Boot process. > > This may be a stupid question, but have you checked the ORDER of the chosen > > boot devices in BIOS? If the hard drive is first in the boot chain, even > > if the CDROM drive is set as bootable, BIOS will stll go to the hard drive > > first to boot the system regardless of a bootable CD being in the CDROM > > drive. > > > > B > Done that, cdrom is first boot device, and hard drive is second boot device. > > I think this is a Vista install and Sony has the laptop bootup setup to > bootup on a path to Windows on hard drive. and ignores the cdrom. Most laptops today prompt you to push a function key to get access to the boot menu. If there is no message on the screen, try pressing F12 repeatedly during the boot process. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:01 -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > On 2/18/11 4:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 02/18/2011 02:44 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > >> Used properly, yes you've avoided buffer overruns, used badly no. > >> strncpy(dest,src,strlen(src)+1) > >> Ridiculous? Yes. Never used in practice? I'd like to believe it. > >> strncpy has been in C since it was first standardised, but people > >> still write code that overflows. > > This is what code review is for. > +1. I used to get paid to do this and you would not believe the coding > mistakes I found. > > James McKenzie On the other hand, if reviewed code is reviewed a second time, in most cases other errors show up. And coding errors are not the sole issue. Logic errors, later edits, production modifications, and support editing also contribute their share. Even Object Orientation won't relieve all problems. I recently looked at a program where an object pointer was set to null in initialization, but later code would try to open a file that the pointer supposedly referenced, with no check for the null. This is a logic error, but could be just as devastating to the system, but would not be found by most code reviews. Moreover I often see object orientation espoused as a cure for these ills, but it is not. If you open up a "mature" C++ program and review the objects used, and really dig into their use i.e. trace the later defined objects, you can often find objects with what I would call stale code, that is functions that are not used in most cases in the dependent objects, and in some cases not even used in the original object any longer. There are probably tools that can detect these things, but I am not a proficient C++ coder, so I have not worked on using or developing support tools for that environment. But stale code offers opportunities for system penetration that do not otherwise exist. And since the use of pointers is still prevalent in code, misuse of pointers is definitely an abuse point. In short, programmers are fallible, and can make mistakes. Most such mistakes are small and have few if any consequences. Some are more problematic, and many are caught in alpha and beta test, or code review. But there is no panacea. We are all only human, and our code is the frail product of a human mind and human processes. When code is used in "mission critical" or "life support" applications, then every tool at our command should be used to verify that code, and even then mistakes will get through. That's life. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Change wireless interface "sens" value how?
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 01:08 +1030, Tim wrote: > mike cloaked appears to be having a conversation with himself: > > This driver seems to refuse sens values in dBm > > Surely it wouldn't be specified in "dBm"? > > 0 dBm is 1 milliwatt into 600 ohms. Is the antenna really 600 ohms? > That would be an unusual antenna impedance. > > -- > [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I > read messages from the public lists. > > > 600 ohms is usually an audio reference. i.e. 0dbm is 1mw on 600ohms. RF is usually specified to 50 ohms regardless of the actual impedance (0dbm rf is 1mw on 50ohms), and a transformation is needed to arrive at the voltage, current losses for other impedances. Some VHF specs are at 150 or 300 ohms, and there could be a new standard developing for 600 as some patch antennas do have that high an input impedance. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
internet intermittent very long message
Hi, everyone, I am experiencing internet intermittency. The same computer booted under windows performs very well, but when running Fedora 14 is very poor. Videos will only partially load, email (evolution) gives "error downloading mail", photos and graphics will be interrupted before they complete, etc. etc. tcpdump shows groups of ARP requests about 1 group per second requesting the users on my network respond in idle (only tcpdump accessing the network with possibly nntp.) and that's it. I have cleared out the various directories where cookies, temp files, flash stuff and some downloads are saved, Checked the internet connections by replacing the cable (not really expecting this to change anything since windows works), and checked various settings according to AT&T (who do not support linux at all) and looked on line at various suggestions, all to no gain. Basically I don't know what to look at next, and googling has not returned much in the way of help. Mostly a thread about memcpy, which may or may not apply. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
es a potential area of security that would be acceptable to that group. Find the AND area of all these spheres and you get the answer that will fit the current market place. If you want more system security, you have to take steps to change the answers at the origin of the answers, whatever they may be. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 20:42 +, g wrote:
> On 02/08/2011 10:39 AM, les wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 23:25 +, g wrote:
> <>
>
> >> did your your 'user.js' get picked up by 'prefs.js'?
> >
> > Yes, apparently it did. Not just that, but it appeared to reset the
> > selection in prefs.js.
>
> reset in 'prefs.js' or reset in 'user.js'?
>
>
> excuse my laziness, i am going to ask and not read back thru your post
> to see if you stated such.
>
> from "menu bar", select "edit > preferences > general".
>
> with these settings;
>
>When Firefox starts [ Show my home page ]
>
>Home Page [ http://www.google.com/index.html ]
>
> if this is what you do and it does not hold, try putting this into your
> 'user.js';
>
> user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.google.com/index.html";);
> user_pref("browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone", "rv:1.9.2.13");
>
> then make 'user.js' read only, ie;
>
>chmod 440 user.js
>
>
> if that does not work, open 'prefs.js' and search for 'homepage'. if it
> is different, change to above.
>
> if there is no 'homepage', insert above, in alphabetical order of what
> is listed under "user_pref("browser."
>
>
> *if* that fails, last resort would be to create a local 'homepage' and
> put it in a 'redirect' to change to google.
>
> hth.
>
You understand it correctly. Once I changed user.js to the page I
wanted, everything was happy. Maybe I'm a bit dense, but why would one
want two means to set a preference, when the hidden one overrides the
normal one?
Regards,
Les H
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Re: Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 23:25 +, g wrote: > On 02/07/2011 11:46 AM, les wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 17:07 +, g wrote: > <> > >> on a curious side, if not deleted, what is in user.js? > > > > I use Southern California Bell, so originally it pointed to > > sbc.yahoo.com i.e. "http://www.sbc.yahoo.com";. SBC seems to have lots > > of adware these days, so I wanted to change to use Googles simple search > > page, "http://www.google.com";. Not a big deal, but annoying when I > > couldn't get it to change using preferences. > > interesting. > > did your your 'user.js' get picked up by 'prefs.js'? > Yes, apparently it did. Not just that, but it appeared to reset the selection in prefs.js. I could set the preferences, check that clicking home took me to google, close firefox, re-open firefox, and home would be sbc.yahoo.com again. It did not matter how you tried to change the home location in firefox (dropping the icon on home, going to google and selecting current page, hand editing the preferences box, etc.) Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 17:07 +, g wrote: > On 02/07/2011 12:22 AM, les wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 07:12 +, g wrote: > >> On 02/03/2011 10:20 PM, les wrote: > >> <> > >> > >>> I did that as well. No joy, it only worked when I hand modified the > >>> two .js files. > >> > >> did you read and follow instructions in the 'User.js_file' link? > > > > As I recall now, the link said I could remove the User.js file and > > things would work by the preferences setting. I will go back and delete > > the user.js file now. Still loping along on half a brain here. > > yes and no. > > yes, you can remove user.js, but i would rename, not remove. > > even tho pages say what they do, what is in user.js does not always get > picked up an put into prefs.js. > > tho in your case, you say you did not create user.js, it may not hurt. > > either way, to not have user.js not be read, giving it a different name > so firefox does not read it would be a better option. then if needed, > you can name back to user.js. > > on a curious side, if not deleted, what is in user.js? > > I use Southern California Bell, so originally it pointed to sbc.yahoo.com i.e. "http://www.sbc.yahoo.com";. SBC seems to have lots of adware these days, so I wanted to change to use Googles simple search page, "http://www.google.com";. Not a big deal, but annoying when I couldn't get it to change using preferences. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 07:12 +, g wrote: > On 02/03/2011 10:20 PM, les wrote: > <> > > > I did that as well. No joy, it only worked when I hand modified the > > two .js files. > > did you read and follow instructions in the 'User.js_file' link? > As I recall now, the link said I could remove the User.js file and things would work by the preferences setting. I will go back and delete the user.js file now. Still loping along on half a brain here. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 07:01 +, g wrote: > On 02/03/2011 10:36 PM, les wrote: > <> > > > Interesting that these pages never came up when I was searching for > > preferences stuff using google. > > hello les, > > could be you need to start using google advance search; > >http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&num=100 > > above link will set up for english and 100 hits per page. > > > if you want another language and less hits, use; > >http://www.google.com/advanced_search > > and select your own setup. > > > using 1st link above, with 'preference' in "all these words:" and > 'kb.mozillazine.org' in "Search within a site or domain:", results are; > > http://www.google.com/search?q=preference+site%3Akb.mozillazine.org&hl=en&num=100&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs= > > with 987 hits. > > > using 'prefs.js' in "all these words:" and 'kb.mozillazine.org' in > "Search within a site or domain:", results are; > > http://www.google.com/search?q=prefs.js+site%3Akb.mozillazine.org&hl=en&num=100&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs= > > with 317 hits, and "kb.mozillazine.org/Prefs.js_file" is 1st hit. > > > if you want to search for 'linux' specifically, use; > > http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&output=linux&restrict=linux&num=100 > > which restricts search to 'linux' and speeds up search. > > > > The user.js file should be mentioned somewhere on the about:config page I > <> > > come from? I will have to see if I can find the source of the user.js > > file. Maybe a new round of Google will help. > > using 'user.js' in "all these words:" and 'kb.mozillazine.org' in > "Search within a site or domain:", results are; > > http://www.google.com/search?q=User.js+site%3Akb.mozillazine.org&hl=en&num=100&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs= > > with 248 hits, and "kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file" is 1st hit. > > <> > > I have had a really bad month from mid Dec to mid Jan with all kinds of > <> > > and DVD player.) If I have seemed a bit scrambled, it is because the > > electronic gods are blowing my fuses. > > could be you have a fuse in in reverse. instead of blowing, it sucks. > > The problem was deeper, I don't remember the search words I used, but I think I was looking for stuff related to home page. Right pew, totally wrong church. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 11:34 +0100, Jon Ingason wrote:
> 2011-02-03 02:21, les skrev:
> > On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 22:38 -0600, Steven Stern wrote:
> >> On 02/02/2011 07:46 PM, compdoc wrote:
> >>>> Every now and again, the firefox profile gets hosed.
>
>
> >
> > The first is prefs.js. It warns that if you edit it with firefox open,
> > it will be rewritten. Apparently this is what is killing the setting in
> > about:config.
> >
> > The second one is user.js. It had only one line:
> > user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "stickyhomepage");
> > Changing stickyhomepage (my substitute for my home page) to the one I
> > wanted in both files, and eureka, it works as desired.
> >
> > Deleted the new, unwanted profile and things are peachy again for now.
> > Question, where did the user.js file come from?
>
> Look at the following URL:
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Prefs.js_file
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file
>
> This does not explain why user.js file exist. It should not hav been
> there in the first place.
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Les H
> >
> >
>
> --
> Regards
> Jon Ingason
>
Hi, Jon,
Interesting that these pages never came up when I was searching for
preferences stuff using google. It is valuable information. The
user.js file should be mentioned somewhere on the about:config page I
think, to help people having problems. I don't remember ever setting
this file up myself, so the next question comes, where did this file
come from? I will have to see if I can find the source of the user.js
file. Maybe a new round of Google will help.
I struggled with this stupid problem for many days before I resorted to
asking the list.
I have had a really bad month from mid Dec to mid Jan with all kinds of
electronics failing. I have replaced at least 6 major pieces of
electronics, all with issues, from this stuff here to Windows 7
(re-vista maybe?) to remote controls failing (car, garage door, TV, VCR,
and DVD player.) If I have seemed a bit scrambled, it is because the
electronic gods are blowing my fuses.
Regards,
Les H
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Re: Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 08:58 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 09:15 -0800, les wrote: > > Hi, guys, > > First it was evolution, and some poor slowdowns with other things, now > > it is firefox, where I cannot set the home page. I have tried using > > edit>preferences and typing it in, selecting the page I want and > > selecting edit>preferences and selecting use current page, and I hav > > tried dragging the token to the home button. None of these methods > > work. What on earth do we have to do now to set preferences? Is the > > history really being erased? Are our systems doing strange stuff? or > > is it just my system? By the way the problem of not saving the > > separator position in evolution has come back as well. > > > > Are Microsoft engineers "helping" us with our applications now? > > > > Regards, > > Les H > > > > Something is really wrong on your machine. Being a the page you want and > clicking on Use Current Page under edit->preferences has always worked > for me. When you do that what becomes the current page? > -- > === > It is the quality rather than the quantity that matters. - Lucius > Annaeus Seneca (4 B.C. - A.D. 65) > === > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net > It would stay at the current page, show the update in about:config, but when I closed and restarted firefox it would return to the old home page. I tried all the commonly known switches in about:config, and in the preferences dialog, nothing worked until I edited the two .js files. There are two links in one of the responses that I am going to look at now. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 05:02 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 09:15 -0800, les wrote: > > Hi, guys, > > First it was evolution, and some poor slowdowns with other things, now > > it is firefox, where I cannot set the home page. I have tried using > > edit>preferences and typing it in, selecting the page I want and > > selecting edit>preferences and selecting use current page, and I hav > > tried dragging the token to the home button. None of these methods > > work. What on earth do we have to do now to set preferences? Is the > > history really being erased? Are our systems doing strange stuff? or > > is it just my system? By the way the problem of not saving the > > separator position in evolution has come back as well. > > While under Edit/Preferences.. > > In the field where you type in your home page address, above that field, > is another field, and need to make sure "Show my Home Page" is selected. > Hit the close button in bottom right. Close Firefox and then restart > it, see if that works. > > > -- > Mike Chambers > Madisonville, KY > > "The best town on Earth!" > I did that as well. No joy, it only worked when I hand modified the two .js files. Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 22:38 -0600, Steven Stern wrote:
> On 02/02/2011 07:46 PM, compdoc wrote:
> >> Every now and again, the firefox profile gets hosed.
> >
> >
> > Are you saying this is a normal occurrence in Fedora 14, or for Firefox in
> > general?
> >
> > I've never had it happen...
> >
> >
> >
> I've had it happen with Firefox on more than one OS. It's not a big
> deal to restart -- use the Firefox Sync addon to save your bookmarks,
> history, passwords, etc. Create a new profile, install the Sync addon,
> and all your saved stuff comes back.
>
> --
> -- Steve
Using the suggestion to set the home page in about:config did not work.
It would change it while the browser was open, but close the browser and
reopen it and the setting would return. I created a new profile, and
found that the home directory would take, but it wouldn't open it until
I clicked on the home button. But this was helpful. At least the new
user did not change the home page on me.
I opened the .mozilla/firefox/*username directory and did a grep for the
bad home page. Turned out there were two files that listed it.
The first is prefs.js. It warns that if you edit it with firefox open,
it will be rewritten. Apparently this is what is killing the setting in
about:config.
The second one is user.js. It had only one line:
user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "stickyhomepage");
Changing stickyhomepage (my substitute for my home page) to the one I
wanted in both files, and eureka, it works as desired.
Deleted the new, unwanted profile and things are peachy again for now.
Question, where did the user.js file come from?
Regards,
Les H
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Things are getting really messed up on Fedora 14
Hi, guys, First it was evolution, and some poor slowdowns with other things, now it is firefox, where I cannot set the home page. I have tried using edit>preferences and typing it in, selecting the page I want and selecting edit>preferences and selecting use current page, and I hav tried dragging the token to the home button. None of these methods work. What on earth do we have to do now to set preferences? Is the history really being erased? Are our systems doing strange stuff? or is it just my system? By the way the problem of not saving the separator position in evolution has come back as well. Are Microsoft engineers "helping" us with our applications now? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FIXED Compiling Games Program
On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 10:45 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/06/2011 09:59 AM, Jim wrote: > > So the little birdie told me to look in the Fedora repo and Wa-La > > If you're going to use a french word, spell it right: viola! do you mean voila? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Interesting Evolution Issue
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 17:39 -0700, Frank Tanner wrote: > After I upgraded to Fedora 14 from Fedora 13, an issue has cropped up > with my Address Book, I am hoping that someone has seen. > > I exported my configuration from the old one and imported it into the > new one. When I click on two of my three address books that I have I > get the following error message: > > Unable to open Address Book > This address book cannot be opened. This either means that the > incorrect URI was entered, or the server is unreachable. > Detailed error message: Invalid source > > The two address books that give this error worked fine in the version of > Evolution that was in Fedora 13. > > Can anyone think of what caused this error and/or how to resolve it? > > THank you. > -- > > --- > Frank Tanner III (pct...@mybellybutton.com) > > ICQ: 1730844 > AIM: KalokSundancer > MSN: pct...@mybellybutton.com > YIM: fbtanner > > I am experiencing this as well, and have not yet been able to resolve it, although I did track down the files. I am unwilling to edit them until I am sure I can recover any missteps. I had a thread on configuration errors that you can look up if you want the file locations (I don't have that in front of me now.) Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: PEBCAK and frustrated stupidity still exists -- be warned!
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 12:27 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:06:22 -0500 > William Case wrote: > > > Only then, in my frustration, did I think to take the side panel off my > > computer, jiggle the cables to the harddrive, remove the cable and > > reattach it. Fixed everything. > > Check the dumb stuff first - that's my philosophy! (Had the same > problem with a sata drive cable, but at least I wound up with > a spare disk for my efforts :-). I wanted to, but the coat check kept trying to put my brain on a hook! It hurt! ;) Personally I replaced the whole computer only to find out that the error was a driver error that was fixed later DUHHH!!! Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: various errors related to configuration (solved)
On Sat, 2010-12-18 at 16:33 -0800, les wrote: > On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 10:17 -0600, Hugh Brown wrote: > > Les wrote: > > > I started with an evolution configuration error, and now a > > > Firefox/Mozilla configuration error, so it appears to me that this might > > > be a system level error. Maybe some file or directory permissions > > > issue, or perhaps a generic configuration error. > > > > > > I tried using the Firefox ProfileManager to create a new profile, but > > > that lost me all my bookmarks, as well as not changing a problem getting > > > my home page to load at startup, in spite of that being the selection on > > > the preferences page, even after creating a new user profile with the > > > profile manager. Java won't run, even after reloading from the software > > > add/remove manager. > > > > Creating a new profile in Firefox does exactly that. The old bookmarks > > are in your old profile. You can restore them from the old profiles > > bookmark directory. From within the bookmark manager, choose to Import > > and Backup->Restore->Choose file and then browse to > > ~/.mozilla/firefox/.default/ and then pick the most > > recent file. > > > > When you say Java won't run, do you mean the java plugin won't load in > > your browser or that you can't get the command line tools to work? > > > > If it's the plugin that won't run, you'll need to add a link for the > > plugin into either your user plugin directory > > (~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins) or a system plugin directory > > (/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins). > > > > e.g. ln -s /usr/java/default/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so > > /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins to do it system wide > > > > > > > > > > Next I went to the Java website to get the new package, and retrieved > > > the jre-6u23-linux-x64-rpm.bin file. when I attempted to source that > > > file I get: > > > > > > $ ./j*bin > > > Unpacking... > > > Checksumming... > > > Extracting... > > > UnZipSFX 5.50 of 17 February 2002, by Info-ZIP (zip-b...@lists.wku.edu). > > > replace jre-6u23-linux-amd64.rpm? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: > > > y > > > inflating: jre-6u23-linux-amd64.rpm > > > error: can't create transaction lock on /var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock > > > (Permission denied) > > > > > > but the file appears to uncompress and be present as: > > > > > > jre-6u23-linux-x64-rpm > > > > > > but I am unsure of loading it with the prior error in existence. > > > > By default the script from sun/oracle tries to unpack the rpm and then > > install it. You ran this as a non-root user (which is fine), it tried > > to install the rpm and failed. You can safely install the rpm. > > > > Hugh > Hi, Hugh, > I did add the link, and then corrected it, then tried > # mozilla-plugin-config -i > *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libnpjp2.so: > undefined symbol: __gxx_personality_v0 > > So at this time, the jre plugin is not installed and I seem to be > missing some vital library function to get it to work. > > After a great deal of google surfing I discovered that this fuction is > supposedly part of libstdcc++. Using yum I discovered that that is > supported by: libstdc++.x86_64 > > running yum info libstdc++.x86_64 I get: > > # yum info libstdc++.x86_64 > Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit > Adding en_US to language list > Installed Packages > Name: libstdc++ > Arch: x86_64 > Version : 4.5.1 > Release : 4.fc14 > Size: 1.0 M > Repo: installed > >From repo : fedora > Summary : GNU Standard C++ Library > URL : http://gcc.gnu.org > License : GPLv3+ and GPLv3+ with exceptions and GPLv2+ with > exceptions > Description : The libstdc++ package contains a rewritten standard > compliant GCC > : Standard C++ Library. > > This also shows up as installed via the graphics window, as I am not > trusting any single method to give me information now. > > # mozilla-plugin-config -l > EXCLUDE_WRAP: > libtotem* > libjavaplugin* > gecko-mediaplayer* > mplayerplug-in* > librhythmbox* > packagekit* > libnsISpicec* > EXCLUDE_LINK: > > /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped/nswrapper_64_64.libflashplayer.so > Original plugin: /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so > Wrapper version string: X (1.3.0) > File/Link /usr/lib64
Html parsing errors in Firefox
I have http://att.my.yahoo.com/?_bc=1 as my home page. There are about 100 errors in parsing the html code, and I captured the unique ones, which are 20. The highest repeat is this one: Warning: Expected declaration but found '*'. Skipped to next declaration. One location from the list: Source File: http://l.yimg.com/j/static/versioned_asset/v7z/print_css/eNqNkNEOgjAMRb8IEBV58GOWuRVosq2kLRr.3vHgg4kOnpq059wmFzwqMdrQOJFmXbBhENBqoKRSjYxezLlu61PNbXe99X2duTt8WY5ipNQ8rMA.5SzTIhD2yRf6A3mrzFUk_5mb0F367pigYGPhxUQRTGaXALKHBbBe8nI1A1hduGgcKAEdpVKEoMLWkEn2aab8HNgMRJqHgmjBtKzoQqnaR6Dxz3lmTGp.QW8gd9B4 Line: 6964 Should I report these to the firefox folks, or is there a common html interpreter that is called by firefox, which has its own group or buglist? Regards, Les H -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
