Re: Gnome Shell periodically locks up hard in F16
On 11/18/2011 11:36 PM, Deron Meranda wrote: (Oops, I originally sent this to the wrong list address ... sorry if anybody sees duplicates) Since upgrading to Fedora 16, I have experienced several periodic hard lock-ups of the Gnome Shell session. I never experienced such behaviour in F15. I am wondering if anybody else is seeing something similar or may have advice, or can suggest a better way for me to gather useful debugging information should it happen again. I'm running with this version (including shell extensions): gnome-shell-3.2.1-2.fc16.x86_64 gnome-shell-extension-apps-menu-3.2.0-1.fc16.noarch gnome-shell-extension-common-3.2.0-1.fc16.noarch gnome-shell-extension-drive-menu-3.2.0-1.fc16.noarch gnome-shell-extension-mediaplayers-0-0.1.git259f96e.fc16.noarch gnome-shell-extension-places-menu-3.2.0-1.fc16.noarch gnome-shell-extension-systemMonitor-3.2.0-1.fc16.noarch I had related problems, but most notably memory leaks (which caused other slowness/stalling), with the systemMonitor extension. Try taking it out. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing Fedora 16 from USB
On 11/11/2011 07:05 PM, Joel Gomberg wrote: On 11/11/2011 04:14 PM, Michael Ekstrand wrote: On 11/11/2011 12:44 PM, Miguel Cardenas wrote: I've download Fedora 16 to install in onto my new notebook that comes with no dvd drive... so I used liveusb to create a bootable USB with the ISO... It starts the installation but then it says it does not detect a DVD drive and it starts to install slowly via internet, so what is the case of generate the USB with the installation disk? Or what should I do so it installs from the USB? Anaconda's scan for media skips all non-optical media, so unless your USB stick can fake being a DVD drive, you're out of luck. There is an open bug against Anaconda to get this fixed. Don't remember BZ number off-hand, though. I installed F16 on my laptop from an SD card using the dvd.iso and unetbootin without any problem. It was an upgrade, rather than a fresh install, which might make a difference. I was trying to figure out why F15 didn't find packages on a USB stick, I looked at the Anaconda source code, and noticed how it scanned for media. My F16 install similarly declined to find packages (with dvd.iso blitted to a 4G USB key). I believe I am subscribed to the bug, even if I didn't file it, and haven't see any e-mail indicating that it was closed. So, it might be SD vs. USB, it might be the upgrade. Glad it worked for you, though :) - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing Fedora 16 from USB
On 11/11/2011 12:44 PM, Miguel Cardenas wrote: I've download Fedora 16 to install in onto my new notebook that comes with no dvd drive... so I used liveusb to create a bootable USB with the ISO... It starts the installation but then it says it does not detect a DVD drive and it starts to install slowly via internet, so what is the case of generate the USB with the installation disk? Or what should I do so it installs from the USB? Anaconda's scan for media skips all non-optical media, so unless your USB stick can fake being a DVD drive, you're out of luck. There is an open bug against Anaconda to get this fixed. Don't remember BZ number off-hand, though. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: An idea: good for community implementation
On 11/06/2011 07:21 AM, Linux Tyro wrote: Fedora should celebrate every year its birth-day, like having a great party and celebration of its success and an optional party for all to attend (people attending with their own money of travel) and so it becomes more like that of 'a great achievement', how this idea is? I think this already happens, except twice a year rather than once - every release. When a new Fedora version is released, there are parties around the world for Fedora users and developers to gather and celebrate. Not all in one place, but the distributed nature seems to be more consistent with how Fedora, and free/open source software in general, work. And I'm sure that if you happened to be halfway around the world and dropped in on a release party, people would be thrilled. For more on release parties, see the info in the wiki, including lists of past and upcoming release parties: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party Best, - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: windows migrant: choosing linux distribution
On 11/02/2011 08:40 AM, Linux Tyro wrote: Well, I am looking for something in long terms, like the one with which I start, I should remain there. And it must be highly secured (though I know Linux is secured). But in future, I would learn the basics of administration too, so please guide me which is a better administration - rpm or deb? That depends entirely on who you ask. Here, you are likely to get pro-RPM answers, as Fedora uses RPM and people choose it for a reason. Each has features and niceties that the other does not. Both are good package formats and systems; they just have different opinions about how the world works. RPM maintains data for verification of installed software. That has saved me on at least one occasion. DEB has the concept of optional dependencies, which can offer you greater flexibility in managing what software is installed on your system. That is probably the biggest Debian/Ubuntu package management feature I miss since switching to Fedora. If you're going to build packages, they're mostly just different. Both are pretty easy to do once you know what's going on; I find RPM slightly easier, but Debian provides lots of nice helper scripts for package builds (and those are inherited by Ubuntu). Pick one. You won't really go wrong. In my opinion, software availability, quality, and maintenance culture are more important factors for picking a Linux distribution than package manager, unless you have prior package manager knowledge you're looking to carry with you. From those perspectives, I have selected Fedora (after using Debian and Ubuntu for quite some time), but YMMV. - MIchael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
FSB overclocking (Turbo33)
I have an Asus laptop with their Turbo33 technology. What this gives me is a widget on my Windows desktop that has a Turbo33 on-off switch to turn on faster speed. Long story short, this tool/technology seems to just overclock the FSB to bring the CPU from 1.3GHz to 1.7GHz. Is there any tool that I can use to do this from inside Fedora? There does not seem to be a BIOS knob for it, just the Windows control interface. Thanks, - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FSB overclocking (Turbo33)
On 10/12/2011 01:48 PM, suvayu ali wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Michael Ekstrandmich...@elehack.net wrote: Long story short, this tool/technology seems to just overclock the FSB to bring the CPU from 1.3GHz to 1.7GHz. Is there any tool that I can use to do this from inside Fedora? There does not seem to be a BIOS knob for it, just the Windows control interface. Is this a fancy term for CPU scaling? If so, the kernel does that for you as needed. No - this feature cranks up the maximum frequency of the processor. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users
On 09/28/2011 05:55 AM, Misha Shnurapet wrote: It is known that Red Hat makes money from RHEL. RHEL releases are mostly snapshot Fedora. And for the community to be willing to contribute to Fedora, it must receive something back. Specifically, a free desktop operating system that they like (or, which is better, adore). When people are not happy, they stop contributing. As a data point: I came to Fedora, and love it, in large part *because* of Gnome Shell. There were other reasons as well, and my appreciation for Gnome Shell is partially in contrast to Unity, but Gnome 3 with its shell got me using Fedora. I quite enjoy the experience, and am now contributing to the OCaml-related packages. I've also been recommending Fedora to people who aren't happy with Ubuntu's direction. I'm just one person, but the the reaction to F15 isn't entirely disillusionment. It's gained one user and now packager here. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gnome3 - the funny side
On 09/26/2011 08:48 AM, John Aldrich wrote: On Mon September 26 2011, Ian Malone wrote: On the basis that you need to laugh every so often. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/AppletsTransition: Desktop design copouts Then there are applets that are about making it marginally faster to do things that should be obvious and fast to do without an applet to do them. If these are useful, we've misdesigned. Connect to a Server... Disk Mounter Lock Screen Log Out... Run Application... Search for Files... Shutdown.. Seriously... Disk Mounter, log out, run application, lock screen, command- line. Those are not core apps Sheesh! Actually, the point is that they *are* core functions, and should therefore not need an applet to be efficient and discoverable. Log out and lock screen are built in to the shell (account menu at top right, keyboard shortcuts). Disk mounts and Connect to Server are handled by Nautilus. Run application is also built in (Super/Activities to search applications, Alt+F2 for run prompt). Not sure what the plan is for Search, but I think it's integrated with Nautilus, will be integrated with Documents, I wouldn't be surprised if it's integrated with the shell at some point. That leaves Shutdown, which is a much-debated pain point. I do use the Alternative Status Menu extension gives me a normal Shut Down button[1], and there's Alt-clicking the Log Off button. - Michael 1. I don't actually use it for the shut down button, as the Alt+Log Off behavior is fine for me. I use it for Hibernate, since my laptop lacks a dedicated Hibernate key and I haven't been able to get the Sleep key to trigger Hibernate. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On 09/23/2011 09:43 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: I have long been intrigued wit having Skype-like capabilities for my computer. I recently looked at Google Chat which seems to be similar and is really easy to install and use (at least on my F14 laptop). What am I missing by not using Skype? * Having your computer and internet connection used as a P2P bridge for other peoples' conversations while idle. * Call quality - Skype's call quality is somewhat better than Google's VoIP offerings in my experience. But, if Google's quality meets your requirements, then by all means use it :). - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
On 09/17/2011 07:56 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/17/2011 05:21 PM, Craig White wrote: First of all - a taking a poll is fine but it has little to do with a project like GNOME since it is the developers of GNOME who get to decide what it does and how it does it. You're right, as far as you go, but that's not all there is to it. Unless the developers are only interested in creating something for themselves, they need to take the opinions of the end users into account at least enough to make sure they're creating something that other people will want to use. If, for example, a poll were to show that most people who currently used Gnome wanted to be able to specify which workspace a window would open on, it would be foolish to implement a DE that didn't allow that. Polls only go so far. Users often don't know what they want, or think they want X and really want Y (or would have their actual needs better met by Y). It's the user experience designer's job to sift through that and give them what they need to do their work, which is not necessarily what the users would tell you they need/want if you ask them. Polls (or, better yet, interviews) can be a valuable tool in figuring out what to build how to build it, but they are just one input point. Further, a visionary designer can come up with good solutions that the people polled couldn't have imagined and therefore couldn't have said they wanted. I don't know that the Gnome designers and developers have achieved Steve Jobs quality-of-vision when it comes to user experience design. But they're trying a bold new concept (and yes it's new - Gnome Shell predates both Metro and OSX Lion Dashboard), and that can pay off. All this to say, I think this idea of polling the users is very misguided. Should more user input have been sought? Probably. But let's stop talking about nonsense ways to get it. For those saying if people liked it, we'd here, let me add my voice: I find Gnome 3 to be a very fluid and productive experience on my laptop. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: /etc/init/ directory - why is still supported?
On 08/28/2011 06:09 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 29.08.2011 00:59, schrieb Frantisek Hanzlik: This dir was IMO for upstart config files, and now with F15/systemd its existence is pointless, i'm right? From old times i was wonted to control services with /etc/init.d/SERVICE command rather then service SERVICE command - first variant was, using shell completion, much faster and prone to fewer typing error. Of course, with /etc/init/ directory arrival, was necessary type three extra character :) Will we wait to see /etc/ without init directory? you will not see this removed as long not all services are native systemd and there are MANY pakcages missing until now, also remember that software outside the feodra-repos exists and it would be really dumb killing sysv-backward-comatibility the next years /etc/init is not for SysV compatibility, it is for Upstart. Considering that systemd is not Upstart-compatible, and AFAIK Fedora only really used Upstart in SysV-compatibility mode rather than with Upstart native scripts, I would expect to see /etc/init go away sometime in the near future. /etc/init.d, on the other hand, should stay around at least when you have the LSB layer installed. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: install fedora 15 via usb
On 08/17/2011 06:14 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 08/17/2011 06:10 PM, Leonardo wrote: is it possible? i want to install fedora 15 using an usb stick. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Installation_Guide/Making_USB_Media.html You can choose to use either the install DVD ISO file or the LiveCD ISO file. Note that, if you use the DVD ISO, the installer will not find the packages and will fall back to network install (so the extra DVD download is a waste). This is tracked in Bugzilla (don't remember the bug number). - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Excessive system usage problem -
On 06/24/2011 07:39 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: The choke point is a Linksys E3000 wireless router running DD-WRT connected to the modem. DD-WRT apparently has a log function but it appears to be temporary in that the data appears and disappears quickly in some way that I have never understood. Unlike this list the dd-wrt forum is difficult to deal with and has provided little useful information. But yes, I understand the router is the point at which everything converges. I suppose I could insert a hub between the router and the modem. By devices I mean iPhones, iPads, iLaptops, Mac and PC desktops, and my own Linux computers, a mixture of wired and wireless I have Ntop running on an F-14 computer, the i686 version is not yet available for F-15 unless it got fixed overnight. However I haven't been able to get the kind of information I need out of that either, perhaps due to my own ignorance. It's a pretty complex program and does display a lot of information though. You could try running ntop, iftop, or something like it on the hub itself. I do not know if dd-wrt packages are available for either of those programs. - Michel -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: wireless cards recommendation
On 06/23/2011 02:16 PM, Zoran Spasojevic wrote: Hello everyone, I nave been using ndiswrapper for years. I would like to get a new wireless card before I install fc 15. I was wondering if anyone would recommend a good wireless card that uses 64 bit drivers that come with fedora. I would like to stop using ndiswrapper. I've got an Intel 4965 and it runs great. In general, Intel is pretty good; I'd probably avoid the latest chipset (just to give drivers time to get to the main tree), but anything older should be good. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: systemd discussion
On 06/16/2011 05:09 AM, JB wrote: JB jb.1234abcd at gmail.com writes: See previous post. Why is avahi dependent on (I have a LXDE desktop): gnomebaker - CD/DVD burner lxde-common - configuration files for LXDE lxmusic - music client pcmanfm - PCMan File Manager pidgin - instant messaging client etc. Can anybody help ? Avahi is not dependent on those things. Those things are dependent on Avahi. Further, the part you snipped in the original post shows the path that yum took to get to each program. Avahi is required by the GNOME VFS layer (probably to find network file systems), which is in turn used by GnomeBaker and pcmanfm. Pidgin probably supports local network messaging, which is based on Zeroconf and therefore uses Avahi. xmms evidently also requires Avahi (network audio source detection? DAAP music sharing?), and lxmusic requires xmms. This is further forced by the fact that RPM does not support optional dependencies, unlike Debian's package system. Therefore, the only way for a package to say you should really have this is to depend on it (assuming that VFS can even function without avahi). But the bottom line is: Avahi is used by some core libraries like the VFS layer, which in turn are used by your applications. Taking it off requires them to go as well. You could try disabling Avahi (look at Lennart's blog posts for how to force systemd not to enable certain services) to avoid the run-time overhead if you really want. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On 06/14/2011 05:42 AM, John Aldrich wrote: On Mon June 13 2011, suvayu ali wrote: (snip) Isn't this easy to follow? Maybe there could be a one time splash screen reminding a new user on first login that the documentation is already on their system. that's a very good idea... and maybe put a shortcut on the desktop to it...labeled documentation or something similar. I can see Documentation being intimidating for new users. A Tour could potentially be much friendlier. It also has the potential to be scripted in concert with the shell, so it can e.g. highlight the Activities hotspot when discussing it rather than just showing screenshots. Possibly have two versions: one for new users (fresh install, clean home directory) and one for upgraders (first run of new version in existing home dir). - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On 06/14/2011 03:58 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:06:30 -0400 Marcus D. Leech wrote: The problem is that Linux is often at the mercy of the hardware manufacturers, who prioritize their development efforts on Windows I have never understood why no one ever built a binary compatible windows driver environment for linux. Then you just run the dadgum windows drivers and be done with it :-). ndiswrapper does exactly that for wireless drivers. On a couple of my previous laptops it was the only way to get reliable wireless. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgraded F14 - F15, now how do I use this?
On 06/08/2011 10:18 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: Hello again, Also, I had a desktop full of stuff and now my desktop looks completely empty, although the folder Desktop and its contents still exist. Gnome 3, which is used by Fedora 15, no longer displays desktop icons by default. You can re-enable them with gnome-tweak-tool if you want. Plus i had a number of icons on the top toolbar, like a few applications to start and a temperature display, and they are all gone. In F14, I knew how to add things, but I don't know in F15. Gnome 3 does not support the same kinds of panel applets as Gnome 2 did. The new extensions system is far more capable; however, equivalents to most extensions have not yet been developed for it. There are a few extensions included in Fedora, mostly to enable some old-style behavior (such as the old window-based alt-tab switcher). You can also search around for extensions to do other things; I found, for instance, the Weather extension here: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/gnome-shell-weather-extension.html Help! What is going on? Is my F15 severely crippled, and if so, how can I fix it? Otherwise, how can I use this to do anything? It's not crippled, in that it is working as intended. Gnome 3 brings along substantial changes, and some things that had been developed for Gnome 2 have not yet been updated/rewritten, or their functionality has been subsumed elsewhere. Also, Gnome 3 is designed to have fewer gadgets on the screen, preferring a model where you focus on the application(s) you are using and the sysem (mostly) takes care of itself. If you do not like this model, other environments such as KDE and Xfce (both available in Fedora) still provide a user experience more similar to the one you had with the old version of Gnome. - Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
