RE: Trying to install Fedora 14 on a Stubborn Sony Vaio
Just a thought. Reset bios to default and press the key to get to boot menu on startup and see if that will work I had a big problem with a USB flash drive and I had to reset the bios and reboot. Also I could not get the DVD install disk to work. Only the fedora 14 live cd would work then I just installed it to hard drive Michael From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Vincent Li Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 15:33 To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Trying to install Fedora 14 on a Stubborn Sony Vaio Just want to double confirm that have you set the USB CDROM for the first boot device? If yes, please verify whether the boot cd is corrupt? Or you could use another CD for testing. On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:52 AM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: On 02/21/2011 02:33 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Mon, 2/21/11, Jimbinary...@comcast.net wrote: A Sony Vaio will not let me boot on cdrom with a Crashed Windows OS, trying to install Fedora only on laptop. Even if I have BIOS set to boot off Cdrom. I even hooked a external cdrom to usb and enabled in Bios to be first boot device, won't work, in all cases it will only Attempt to Load Windows. It won't even let you disable hard drive in Boot process. This may be a stupid question, but have you checked the ORDER of the chosen boot devices in BIOS? If the hard drive is first in the boot chain, even if the CDROM drive is set as bootable, BIOS will stll go to the hard drive first to boot the system regardless of a bootable CD being in the CDROM drive. B Done that, cdrom is first boot device, and hard drive is second boot device. I think this is a Vista install and Sony has the laptop bootup setup to bootup on a path to Windows on hard drive. and ignores the cdrom. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- ThanksRegards Vincent Li (李锐聪) Tel: 13433906991 MSN: liruic...@msn.cn _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3457 - Release Date: 02/21/11 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Playing .mov files in Fedora
Avidemux should handle a mov file as long as you have the Gstreamer packages installed Gstreamer good and Gstreamer ugly Both can be found in RPMFusion Michael From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 12:19 To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Playing .mov files in Fedora On 02/17/2011 03:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/17/2011 11:45 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Jim wrote: I have used Autoten to Download All Codecs . You should contact the author of Autoten. This list is for Fedora software only. Autoten (First written for F 10, and updated for each succeeding version.) is written and maintained by Dangermouse, one of the administrators of fedoraforum.org to help new users by installing most of the things that Fedora itself can't include such as the un-free codecs and the ATI/nVidia drivers. If the OP's used Autoten the way he writes, you can be sure that the issue isn't a codec. Thanks for that Info. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3449 - Release Date: 02/17/11 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: [OT] Re: Is there a better Alternative to Thunderbird ? Why I use a Mac
From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of g Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 6:55 To: fedora users Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Is there a better Alternative to Thunderbird ? Why I use a Mac On 02/06/2011 11:44 AM, Alan Cox wrote: Yeah that may be a slightly obscure configuration ;) and probably about a hundred times faster to emulate than for real. not really obscure. there where several s100 system that started out as z80, then updated as z80/m68k. most would boot up z80 and then transfer to m68k. 1] there where also z80/m68k cpu that could pass off to z80 any task that work i/o. 2] within these, z80/m68k, i/o cards had their own z80 w/memory and z80 family i/o chips. 3] when making i/o transfers, z80 could grab main memory and pull in data while m68k was working internal operations and using on board memory. using these structures made for some fast data handling. plus, considering their clock speed, they could hold their own in today's standards. On the Z80 side you can in theory run UZI of course, or if you have banked RAM then UZIX (which has a minimal TCP/IP even) ?uzi? | ?uzix? sounds strangle familiar, but recall does not bring it up. what i am familiar with is the machine pistol made in israel and a very fine peace to fire. i never had one, no 'class a', but i have some friends who own them. How much more off topic can we get here? This has gone from an alternative email client to Thunderbird to Ancient computers. Shall I add my Commodore Vic -20 to the discussion? How about my very old PET which is worth quite a bit right now. More than it was when new that's for sure Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Is there a better Alternative to Thunderbird ?
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Callaghan Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 3:40 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Is there a better Alternative to Thunderbird ? On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 08:11 +, g wrote: do not enter a reply to an email below a -- . that is a line with 2 dashes followed by a space. this is known as a 'delimiter' and when replying to your post, what you wrote gets cut off and all that is in reply is what you see above. Despite talking about Seamonkey, he's using Outlook to post, which may have something to do with it (not to mention the wierd quoting style). poc You all caught me using Windoze again... The problem is I got a nice 460 gtx and it does not function correctly with Linux at this time. I use Seti at home to crunch data and between me and ten other guys we have a betting pool to see who can get the highest RAC It's worth quite a bit of $$$ so I run Seti full blast and the 460 gtx has given me an added 804 gigaflops on top of my Phenom 2 965 Overclocking is a big issue with the 460 and Fedora. I almost blew this card because fan control is very poor under Linux. The drivers are just not there yet. Unfortunately Windows 7 x64 is what I have to run to get SAFE control of this card. I overclock this to 925 Mhz from 675 so that is quite an overclock at a nice 45 degree C I still run Fedora but it is through a virtual machine. Virusville is where I am again. Coming from fedora I am stunned about these darn viruses again. I do miss running Fedora, the safety of Fedora is really missed. Until the driver issue is fixed Windoze is where I sit as a steady and Fedora is my secondary Have a good day Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Is there a better Alternative to Thunderbird ? Why I use a Mac
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of James McKenzie Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 10:10 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Is there a better Alternative to Thunderbird ? Why I use a Mac On 02/03/2011 11:20 AM, Robert Myers wrote: You can't say Linux won't be a factor on the desktop. I have a number of relatively unsophisticated users running CentOS as their desktop and they're quite happy. Oh, they look at my stuff and ooh and aah at some of the niftiness, but they'll get it when it's stable. Major Soapbox entered the room, set down and I jumped on it If I could get Fedora or CentOS running on my old Thinkpad, I would move back to Linux. I would have to go find an external DVD player. I use a Mac because it 'works'. There is not a major program out there that I cannot find a Mac equivilent for that 'works'. Not so for Linux. You cannot find a program with the functionality and flexibility of AutoCad. All of the third party programs are missing some essential function that AutoCad has. If I buy a Dell, it will NOT come with Linux (it is an option) as I work in a Windows environment and I still feel that Linux is NOT ready to be a prime-time desktop OS (WAY to many quirks and hoops.) It will come with Windows7. It is very MacOSX like and does not have a crash a day problem. I switched to using a Mac after LOTS of investigation and watching the Windows98SE/ME disaster (Microsoft usually screws it up once before getting it right.) I was using RH 9/FC 1, 2, 3, 4 and I did not like the new release every six months. However, as you, I and others have pointed out, Fedora is an experimental OS, for RH to try and 'get it right'. That was after IBM dropped support for OS/2 on the SOHO desktop. Now, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist, I've been playing around with 'PCs' before such a term existed. I've run various versions of Linux/UNIX since the mid 1990s and was a great fanboy of OS/2 (too bad IBM dropped the ball on that one.) I would love to say that Linux is a great OS, and in many cases it is. However, for Joe Windows Fanboy it is not ready. Many Windows programs do not and will not have a fully functional Linux one. Linux remains a niche product in many ways. Gnome/KDE 'wars' and others aside, if you watch the folks in Redmond work, you would know why Linux is going to win the Server wars, and Windows has such a great grip on the Desktop. Until Linux can support 99% of all hardware OUT OF THE BOX, with no tweaking and other non-sense, then it will not even have a fighting chance. Folks are loathe to sell/give away their old hardware and Apple still supports the G-3 Graphite that my SO owns. I cannot say that for ANY PC company (Dell, Gateway, IBM, and a few others). Sad to say, but I may have to become a Windows Fanboy to get what I need done, without having to beat on a system all day long. When Linux gets to that level, it will be a winner. Otherwise, it will continue to be an operating system for servers and cell phones. Jim leaves the room, taking his soapbox with him. soap MacOS doesn't release often and Macs are very controlled environments and don't have to cater to millions of different hardware combos unlike most Linux environments. Windows hasn't had a major release since Windows 7, just bug and security fixes (lots of those). /soap And so did Solaris and other operating systems. This is called quality control. If the IBM versus Tandy case had gone the other way, we would all be using IBM hardware/software. We would still be running ATs with a green screen. That is called innovation... Windows stability? Remember the travesty that was Vista? No but I remember ME, which was MUCH worse. Fedora is, by definition, experimental. If one wishes stability, then use CentOS or RHEL or another stable release. I can't name another OS with a 6-month (more or less) lifetime. We are on the bleeding edge with Fedora. It's called that because you must expect to be wounded occasionally when playing with sharp objects. Yes, it is and you have good advice for anyone wanting to run Linux. I don't dispise Linux, I think it is very 'neat'. I just don't want to have to go through the hoops to get it to work anymore. BTW, Windows XP SP3 runs on the hardware I have, slowly. Linux cannot even bring up X. That is a sad case. James McKenzie Very well said Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Is there a better Alternative to Thunderbird ?
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Konstantin Svist Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 15:33 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Is there a better Alternative to Thunderbird ? On 02/03/2011 03:05 PM, g wrote: *anytime* a 'folder file' is edited, *or* a '.msf' file is deleted, the 'panacea.dat' file in 'profile' directory *must* be deleted also. Huh, didn't know that.. I've deleted .msf files a few times in the past without touching panacea.dat and so far it worked out okay When the folder is opened, Thunderbird takes some time to rebuild the index (how long depends on number of messages in the folder) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines I found the better choice was Sea Monkey I had many problems with both Evolution and Thunderbird. Sea Monkey is a Mozilla production but I found it much better Just my opinion Michael Miles -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: problem with fc11 vlc player
While your at it I have some old Amiga workbench software. Why in the world you would want to put old non supported software on a computer is just beyond me and probably most people that read these posts. Sorry but that's the way it is From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Parshwa Murdia Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:43 PM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: problem with fc11 vlc player On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: Right now, the latest version is F14 and the only two versions supported are 13 and 14. If you aren't interested in upgrading your OS every six to nine months, Fedora probably isn't the right distro for you but if you like the idea (as I do) of living on the bleeding edge and helping find out if the newest version of some package is ready for prime time, by all means, use Fedora. The choice is yours and yours alone, which is one of the many things I like about Linux in general. Another important thing I have is that like you are suggesting for Fedora or Ubuntu but that the newest cutting edge technology could be installed in the older hardware assuming that the hardware has minimal composition, like, only 2 gb ram, hard disk and speaker, with keyboard and a non-usb mouse. In this hardware too we can install any cutting edge OS like fedora or it really depends on the hardware that if it would accept a particular distro or not! -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Download phonebook via Bluetooth?
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Callaghan Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:11 PM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Download phonebook via Bluetooth? On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 18:10 -0500, Jeffrey Ross wrote: I'm running Fedora 13 and I'm looking for a way to download my phone's phonebook over bluetooth. I know my car is capable of downloading the phonebook from the phone so I'm sure there's a way to do it. suggestions? I suggest you at least mention the make and model of your phone ... poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines First of all you must have a Bluetooth capable wireless in your computer Make the connection between the devices and sent your contact list via Bluetooth to your computer from your phone. It is simple but you may have to send one at a time unless you sync the contacts or phonebook via Bluetooth with your mail client. The software from your phone would have to be installed into your linux box NokSync is a plugin for Thunderbird that works. The only downside is that you also need Nokia PC Sync v6.82 which Nokia doesn't distribute any longer That is if you have a nokia of course. Good luck -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Best Make of Sata Drive for Linux
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of John Mellor Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:24 PM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Best Make of Sata Drive for Linux On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 17:49 -0500, Jim wrote: What would be the best MAKE of a 7200rpm Sata harddrive to install Linux F14 on ? I've got a 1.5TB Western Digital Green drive, and I'm not happy with the performance of it. There are also several discussions online about these drives having an early ageing problem with ext4 filesystems because of them unloading the heads every 5 seconds and ext4 only flushing its journal every 30 seconds. Other than this one negative, I suspect than any other drive will do well for the first 5 years or so. Linux is much easier on the drive than Redmond's products are. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines If it is speed you are after I would highly suggest a SD drive. Solid State as a boot and see the performance go way up. 32 - 64 gig is on average 100.00 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Fedora 14 and Nvidia 460 Fermi
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cronenworth Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:13 PM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Fedora 14 and Nvidia 460 Fermi Chris Kloiber wrote: Is that using rpmfusion packages, or nVidia's blob installer? The company I work for offers CUDA servers now, and they seem to be running the same nvidia driver version I use on my desktop (without CUDA, obviously). It seems the CUDA libraries aren't packaged by rpmfusion, but may get installed by the blob installer. I would try the nVidia installer from their website, and if that works compare the libraries installed to the rpmfusion packages. Find the differences and bug rpmfusion packagers to package the extra libraries if possible, perhaps as a separate nvidia-cuda package? This is easy to figure out if you have a NVIDIA card or not. # yum whatprovides */libcuda.so.1 [snip long output] 1:xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-260.19.29-2.fc14.x86_64 : Libraries for : xorg-x11-drv-nvidia Repo: rpmfusion-nonfree-updates Matched from: Filename: /usr/lib64/nvidia/libcuda.so.1 [snip more long output] Any NVIDIA or CUDA related questions are best asked in areas[1] where NVIDIA will see them. No one on this list can help you fix the errors. [1] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines It is the libcuda.so.3 that is not present That is what the Seti optimized applications are looking for. Yes, I have contacted NVIDIA but to no avail as fedora 14 is supposed to be supported I have installed the Cuda toolkit 3.2 and the problem is still there, crashing workunits and no Cuda assist on video conversion The latest Handbrake svn for fedora 12 worked with the cuda 2.2 libs but not so with F14 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Damn these Windows Virus Testers - Online
Lamar Owen wrote: On Saturday, December 18, 2010 02:21:37 pm Jim wrote: It does not make any difference what Website your on it's just pops up and starts More information about these 'surf-by' infection agents: http://blog.webroot.com/2009/11/25/fakealerts-building-a-better-mousetrap/ I get this all the time and it tells me I am infected by several viruses. Scam to say the least. I take not of the addresses that they are coming from and block them in firefox -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F-14 and a USB Webcam -
Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:48:24 -0600 Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: On 11/12/10 12:01, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:04:23 -0600 Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: On 10/12/10 05:38, Tim Waugh wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 04:43 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote: Where do I look for more level adjustments? I've found that ekiga has a whiteness adjustment control which has had good results for me. It does seem that getting this right automatically isn't working quite right. I'm using this: ID 041e:4053 Creative Technology, Ltd Live! Cam Video IM Tim. */ The thread here inflamed my secret desire for having an ancient low-cost camera work with linux again. This has only previously worked with windoze and i gave up after several weeks of trying to do this. Anyway, here is the output of lsusb: Bus 004 Device 003: ID 041e:401b Creative Technology, Ltd I installed ekiga, and am lost as to what to do with it. I type: ekiga and the terminal just stares back at me. I tried ekiga-helper and the terminal prompt came back after around 12-13 seconds. The only command starting with ekiga that I did not try was ekiga-config-tool and it was screaming not to left out of the fun, so I did the following: ekiga-config-tool Usage: ekiga-config-tool OPTION Fixes problems with the Ekiga settings --cleanremove all user settings --install-schemas install schemas with default settings (run as root) --clean-schemasremove schemas with default settings (run as root) --fix-permissions fix permissions of GConf repository (run as root) I tried the last two, to no avail. Any suggestions? I looked around at the ekiga wiki/manual: nothing good came out of that either. At least the parts that I looked at were for people who were already running ekiga: not dumb enough to get stopped at the first prompt I am not wedded to ekiga, only to something that might work with my webcam (and there is no reason to believe that that might happen also). Best wishes, Ranjan guvcview [yum] looks like a good bet. It's working with this old, inexpensive Logitech camera which in the past functioned only with Windows! Ekiga probably would work but like you I gave up on it since I was getting off on a tangent configuring it when what I was really interested in was just the video settings for the webcam. Good luck. Bob Ok, thanks, Bob! However no such luck: I get the following. guvcview guvcview 1.4.2 Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory Cannot connect to server socket jack server is not running or cannot be started video device: /dev/video0 opening '/sys/class/video4linux' failed: Error opening directory '/sys/class/video4linux': No such file or directory Unable to detect devices on your system ERROR opening V4L interface: No such file or directory Init video returned -1 Segmentation fault Is there some rpm that I am missing? Best wisehs, Ranjan Video4linux is the rpm you are missing On F12 I use Video4Linux device preferences which can be installed via add/remove software or yum It has the desired brightness and contrast settings that you need Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F-14 and a USB Webcam -
Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 13:12:12 -0600 Michael Milesmmami...@gmail.com wrote: Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:48:24 -0600 Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: On 11/12/10 12:01, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:04:23 -0600 Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.netwrote: On 10/12/10 05:38, Tim Waugh wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 04:43 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote: Where do I look for more level adjustments? I've found that ekiga has a whiteness adjustment control which has had good results for me. It does seem that getting this right automatically isn't working quite right. I'm using this: ID 041e:4053 Creative Technology, Ltd Live! Cam Video IM Tim. */ The thread here inflamed my secret desire for having an ancient low-cost camera work with linux again. This has only previously worked with windoze and i gave up after several weeks of trying to do this. Anyway, here is the output of lsusb: Bus 004 Device 003: ID 041e:401b Creative Technology, Ltd I installed ekiga, and am lost as to what to do with it. I type: ekiga and the terminal just stares back at me. I tried ekiga-helper and the terminal prompt came back after around 12-13 seconds. The only command starting with ekiga that I did not try was ekiga-config-tool and it was screaming not to left out of the fun, so I did the following: ekiga-config-tool Usage: ekiga-config-tool OPTION Fixes problems with the Ekiga settings --cleanremove all user settings --install-schemas install schemas with default settings (run as root) --clean-schemasremove schemas with default settings (run as root) --fix-permissions fix permissions of GConf repository (run as root) I tried the last two, to no avail. Any suggestions? I looked around at the ekiga wiki/manual: nothing good came out of that either. At least the parts that I looked at were for people who were already running ekiga: not dumb enough to get stopped at the first prompt I am not wedded to ekiga, only to something that might work with my webcam (and there is no reason to believe that that might happen also). Best wishes, Ranjan guvcview [yum] looks like a good bet. It's working with this old, inexpensive Logitech camera which in the past functioned only with Windows! Ekiga probably would work but like you I gave up on it since I was getting off on a tangent configuring it when what I was really interested in was just the video settings for the webcam. Good luck. Bob Ok, thanks, Bob! However no such luck: I get the following. guvcview guvcview 1.4.2 Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory Cannot connect to server socket jack server is not running or cannot be started video device: /dev/video0 opening '/sys/class/video4linux' failed: Error opening directory '/sys/class/video4linux': No such file or directory Unable to detect devices on your system ERROR opening V4L interface: No such file or directory Init video returned -1 Segmentation fault Is there some rpm that I am missing? Best wisehs, Ranjan Video4linux is the rpm you are missing On F12 I use Video4Linux device preferences which can be installed via add/remove software or yum It has the desired brightness and contrast settings that you need There is such an rpm in F14? sudo yum list \*ideo\* Available Packages gallery2-flashvideo.noarch 2.3.1-2.fc14 fedora gnome-video-effects.noarch 0.1.0-1.fc14 fedora mythvideo.x86_640.24-2.fc14 rpmfusion-free-updates oggvideotools.x86_64 0.8-2.fc14 fedora perl-Class-InsideOut.noarch 1.10-2.fc14 fedora perl-MooseX-InsideOut.noarch 0.105-1.fc14 updates perl-Object-InsideOut.noarch 3.56-3.fc14 fedora videodog.x86_64 0.31-8.fc12 fedora Ranjan https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/applications/Video4Linux%20Device%20Preferences?_csrf_token=843892538351ccc761885047381df75930ac151a This has Video4linux for F14 Device Preferences https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/applications/Video4Linux%20Control%20Panel?_csrf_token=304b152d74f715eeb3da412bc064ae7229ba2104 This is the Control Panel -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Two Nouveaus Running
JB wrote: Patrick Bartekbartek047at yahoo.com writes: ... Take a look at your monitor outputs - make sure you have only one connected, the others disconnected (if that is your desired config). $ xrxndr xorg.conf is of interest too. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Randr12 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 JB What you are seeing is the tv out as a seperate head -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Reinstall -- Kernel panic
William Stock wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 13:24 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 12/03/2010 12:21 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I am reinstalling Fedora 12 on a system. I specified a custom partition layout and then I just reselect the partitions and format them, putting the same directories on each. I have done this 4 times on this system, --cut -- Well I just went through a rebuild again. This time selecting to install on the whole drive, then customizing the layout. I get the same kernel panic on unknown-block(0,0). When I get really screwy results I start looking at other possibilities, such as bad drive or bad memory. Since the problem repeats itself exactly, I'd say it's not an intermittent, as a power supply would be. Just a reminder..Fedora 12 went eol yesterday so you may want to install F14 as F12 is no longer supported -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: End of life for FC12?
Greg Woods wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 11:07 -0800, Michael Miles wrote: I stay with things that work for me, I'm still on wife 1.0. ;-) -- I stay with things that work for me, I'm still on wife 1.0 That's just too funny bro. I laughed my butt off. http://www.indranet.com/potpourri/humor/girlfriend_upgrade.html :-) --Greg Too funnyThanks for the laugh -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: End of life for FC12?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sun, 11/14/10, Bill Davidsendavid...@tmr.com wrote: Patrick Bartek wrote: Since FC6 (I've been using Fedora since Core 3), I've only upgraded with every third release--6-9-12. I think it wasteful of time and energy to upgrade any faster. It takes almost the 6 month release cycle to get everything working smoothly anyway. Then chuck it all and start anew with a new set of problems? No thanks. I went from 6-13 on one machine, had some drivers for custom hardware which new driver models didn't support. Finally the USB passthru in KVM got good enough to run in a VM, and I do. Custom hardware isn't required to have new release issues. Just older hardware is good enough, particularly peripherials. And they don't have to be that old. For example, my Samsung ML-1710 laser printer has been discontinued for 4 years or so. I bought mine in 2006. No problems. FC6's CUPS had the driver. So, did F9 when I upgraded to it a year or so later, but F12 didn't. Support had been dropped due to it being discontinued (I guess). Samsung's dedicated driver had problems with F12. Or, perhaps, it was the other way around. Fortunately, I was able to find a third party compatible driver through the LinuxPrinting site. Now, there is nothing wrong with the printer. I've used it daily in my business since I bought it. Have gone through 4 or 5 toner cartridges, and reams and reams of paper. One of these days, it will finally die and I'll replace it, but I resent having to replace something that works perfectly well simply because support has been dropped due solely to time and not lack of demand. Another reason, I'm looking for Long Time Support in my next OS. I stayed on FC4 for similar reasons, until I could go to better hardware and FC13, and I still run XP in a VM for one application. I know where you are coming from. I stay with things that work for me, I'm still on wife 1.0. ;-) -- I stay with things that work for me, I'm still on wife 1.0 That's just too funny bro. I laughed my butt off. Don't let your 1.0 see that though Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Burning mixed ownership of files to disk producing a problem?
William Stock wrote: In a small test I had no problem burning some of my files and some root/root files. However, using the CD for a restore would be a gigantic pain in the backside. You'd be sitting in front of your monitor forever. Two things happen when you try to burn mixed owner files to a CD. The first is _you_ end up owning them (instead of root); the second is *everything* becomes read-only. If you tar everything you want and burn the tar file(s) you can keep ownership and permissions. You might want to consider putting things on a [reusable] flash drive. Just a thought. On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 10:45 -0500, William Case wrote: I started out to do something I though should be fairly easy but I have been at it all evening. I am trying to burn some data files to DVD as a backup. Here is the problem as far as I can tell. Brasero from root won't burn the files directly but wants to turn them into an .iso. Details: I have a backup partition on which I keep my personal backups as well as files and directories owned by root such as /etc. I was getting ready to upgrade to Fedora 14. I decided that there was only some of my backup files I wanted to further back up to a DVD disk. The total size fits on one disk. Brasero will back up personal files but won't back up root's files. If I su or sudo brasero and try it from there, brasero wants to create /root/brasero.iso. Same happens with the CD/DVD Creator. The manual is silent on why root and user files won't mix or on how to burn root files. Plus several annoying things happen with unwanted programs popping up when using brasero and inserting discs. I have received the suggestion that I tar the files first. I will do if there are no other suggestions. If this post seems like a repeat, it is, but I corrected the Subject: in the hope of getting more reads. -- Regards Bill Fedora 14, Gnome 2.32 Evo.2.32, Emacs 23.2.1 There is an option in Brazero that pops up when you go to burn and that is to burn files direct without creating the iso file. Have you tried to play with that option? Also I always uncheck eject disk as it seems to pop out the disk before the burn is 100% complete. I have been noticing some very weird things when burning data files and that is one in every 3 disks fails, not the burn process but when I put the disk back in the system will not see the disk I just burned. Bad disks? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Convert ext4 lvm to normal ext4 partition
Lamar Owen wrote:
On Friday, November 12, 2010 07:12:23 pm Peter Larsen wrote:
So create a partition, test it without lvm. Then add it as a pv, and do
the same test on the lvm on the same implementation.
Ok, the first set of two results are in. And I am surprised by one data
point in one of them. Surprised enough that I ran the benchmarks three
times, and got substantially the same results all three times. I also show
hdparm -t output below that confirms that hdparm -t is at best a 'best case'
figure, especially when used with a heavily cached controller. And last, but
not least, is Seeker output that should really shed some light on random
access benchmarks on different sized partitions.
System is running CentOS 5.5 x86_64, two 2.8GHz Opterons, 10GB RAM. Disk
array connected by 4Gb/s fibre-channel, using a QLogic QLE2460 PCI-e 4x HBA.
Individual drives on the array are 500GB 7200RPM FCAL drives. LUN was (as far
as I can tell) properly stripe-aligned prior to test. RAID group containing
the LUN is 16 drives, in a RAID6 configuration; the other LUNs in the RAID
group had little to no traffic during the testing. Array controller has
substantial read and write caches (multiple GB) and powerful CPU's. In other
words, not your typical home system. But it's what I had on-hand and
available to test in a rapid manner.
Using bonnie++ levels the playing field substantially, and wrings out what
the disk performance actually is; and I do know that the choice of 7200RPM
drives isn't the fastest; that's not the point here. The point is comparing
the performance of two ext3 filesystems (may possibly be doing the ext4 tests
later today, but honestly it shouldn't matter), where one is on a raw
partition and the other is in an LVM logical volume. Given the results, I
should probably swap the partitions, making sdb1 the LVM and sdb2 the raw
ext3 (currently it's the other way, with sdb1 the raw and sdb2 the LVM), and
rerun the tests to make sure I'm not running afoul of /dev/sdb1 not being
stripe-aligned but /dev/sdb2 being stripe-aligned.
bonnie++ command line:
bonnie++ -d /opt/${filesystem}/bonnie -u nobody:nobody
No special options; nobody:nobody owns /opt/${filesystem}/bonnie.
${filesystem} is 50g-straight for the raw partition, 50g-lvm for the logical
volume.
The results:
+++
Raw Ext3:
Size: 19496M
SeqOutput:
PerChr: 48445K/sec
Block: 52836K/sec
Rewrite: 19134K/sec
SeqInput:
PerChr: 51529K/sec
Block: 26327K/sec (--- this surprised me; one would think it would be
larger, but might be related to stripe size alignment, but I thought I had
compensated for that)
RandomSeeks: 576.5 per sec.
SeqCreate:
Files: 16
Creates/second: 10544
RandomCreate:
Creates/second: 11512
Time output: real 50m16.811s, user 6m49.498s, sys 5m45.078s
+++
For the LVM filesystem:
Size: 19496M
SeqOutput:
PerChr: 51841K/sec
Block: 54266K/sec
Rewrite: 26642K/sec
SeqInput:
PerChr: 54674K/sec
Block: 69696K/sec (--- this looks better and more normal)
RandomSeeks: 757.9 per sec.
SeqCreate:
Files: 16
Creates/second: 10540
RandomCreate:
Creates/second: 11127
Time output: real 36m21.393s, user 6m47.328s, sys 6m17.813s
+++
Yeah, that means on this box with this array, LVM is somewhat faster than the
raw partition ext3, especially for sequential block reads. That doesn't seem
to make sense; the Sequential and Random Create results are more in line with
what I expected, with a small performance degradation on LVM.
Using the other common tools:
First, hdparm -t. Note that with this much RAM in the array controller, this
isn't a valid test, as the results below show very clearly (it also shows
just how fast the machine can pull data down 4G/s fibrechannel!).
+++
[r...@migration ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sdb1
/dev/sdb1:
Timing buffered disk reads: 298 MB in 3.00 seconds = 99.32 MB/sec
[r...@migration ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sdb2
/dev/sdb2:
Timing buffered disk reads: 386 MB in 3.01 seconds = 128.07 MB/sec
[r...@migration ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sdb1
/dev/sdb1:
Timing buffered disk reads: 552 MB in 3.01 seconds = 183.67 MB/sec
[r...@migration ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sdb2
/dev/sdb2:
Timing buffered disk reads: 562 MB in 3.01 seconds = 186.86 MB/sec
[r...@migration ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sdb1
/dev/sdb1:
Timing buffered disk reads: 704 MB in 3.01 seconds = 233.85 MB/sec
[r...@migration ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sdb2
/dev/sdb2:
Timing buffered disk reads: 614 MB in 3.01 seconds = 204.16 MB/sec
[r...@migration ~]#
+++
Now, the Seeker results (I test the raw disk first, then /dev/sdb1 and sdb2
in turn, then twice on the LVM logical volume's device node, and then once on
the much smaller /dev/sdb3):
Re: Convert ext4 lvm to normal ext4 partition
Lamar Owen wrote: On Saturday, November 13, 2010 01:08:12 pm Michael Miles wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: [r...@migration ~]# ./seeker /dev/sdb3 Seeker v2.0, 2007-01-15, http://www.linuxinsight.com/how_fast_is_your_disk.html Benchmarking /dev/sdb3 [7012MB], wait 30 seconds.. Results: 21459 seeks/second, 0.05 ms random access time [r...@migration ~]# I have run all these tests and I have to say that Seeker is not a valid test to show speeds of these disks I ran hdparm and it shows the lvm to be a bit slower but not a lot. With Seeker it shows a large difference because of the area on the disk being tested That's quite a difference on sdb3 by the way. It's amazing how much speed a filesystem takes away from a disk The Seeker and hdparm -t results have nothing to do with the filesystem being there or not; if I run seeker on /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb3 I'm running it against the device; the presence or absence of a filesystem makes no difference. With LVM running it against the raw logical volume device (in my examples, the volume group was benchtest, and the logical volume was 50g, making the device node /dev/benchtest/50g) does the same thing, and doesn't have anything to do with the filesystem. The bonnie++ results do, however, reflect the filesystem performance, since bonnie++ is writing and reading files on the filesystem instead of raw device. What does make a difference is the size of the device being tested, in terms of cylinders or blocks. If the partition is 1000 cylinders, a true random seek will seek to cylinders between the start and the start+1000; if it's a 100 cylinder partition, it will seek between the start and the start+100, one-tenth of the distance, and thus it should produce an average seek that is quite a bit smaller than the partition with 1000 cylinders. Thanks to modern ZBR (zone bit recording) drives, ten times the number of blocks does not necessarily translate to ten times the number of cylinders (for more information about ZBR and what that means for disks, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZBR for details. In any case, I've set up LVM on /dev/sdb3 (/dev/bench2/7g is the logical volume's device node), and here's some more seeker and hdparm -t results for your enjoyment: +++ Seeker v2.0, 2007-01-15, http://www.linuxinsight.com/how_fast_is_your_disk.html Benchmarking /dev/sdb3 [7012MB], wait 30 seconds. Results: 23546 seeks/second, 0.04 ms random access time [r...@migration ~]# ./seeker /dev/bench2/7g Seeker v2.0, 2007-01-15, http://www.linuxinsight.com/how_fast_is_your_disk.html Benchmarking /dev/bench2/7g [7012MB], wait 30 seconds.. Results: 37116 seeks/second, 0.03 ms random access time [r...@migration ~]# hdparm -t /dev/bench2/7g /dev/bench2/7g: Timing buffered disk reads: 852 MB in 3.00 seconds = 283.65 MB/sec [r...@migration ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sdb3 /dev/sdb3: Timing buffered disk reads: 774 MB in 3.01 seconds = 257.53 MB/sec [r...@migration ~]# +++ Of course, the fact that that entire partition can fit in the kernel's cache makes a difference here in the Seeker results; the hdparm -t (just a big sequential read, that's all) just shows that the array is very good at caching and doing readahead. So I tend to trust bonnie++'s results more, since it takes pains to take the cache out of the equation. Very interesting stuff. Thank you for clarifying this for me. Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Convert ext4 lvm to normal ext4 partition
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On 12/11/10 12:50 AM, JB wrote: Patrick O'Callaghanpocallaghanat gmail.com writes: ... AFAIK this can't be done other than the obvious way: backup, reformat, restore. That's what I meant. Given that the OP's message asks about converting directly from LVM to ext4, and your reply says Someone has done something similar, the obvious interpretation is that someone had converted directly from LVM to ext4. Have you read that article or only scanned the title of it ? Of course I read it, hence my reply. poc Considering that the LVM is a ext4 Virtual partition it seems to me that it would be easy to convert but there is no such beast out there Lots of stuff for converting ext3 to ext4 but nothing for what I need. All it really is is a mountable directory on a ext4 disk. I am surprised that the feat itself can't be done. Also I have been testing with seeker on my ext4 boot and I get 187 seeks / second, on the same drive but the LVM partition is 66 seeks / second. As you can see Fedora adopted this method of using LVM has effectively slowed down the drive considerably. That's really a reduction in speed. I am afraid the only solution is wipe it out and redo the entire drive in ext4 partitions, which really bites. It is the sole reason I did not upgrade to F13 and now I am faced with exactly the same problem with F14. Thank God the price of 1 TB drives have come down a lot in the 6 months since I last looked as I will have to purchase one to back up the 500 gig that I have on the LVM thanks for all who looked at this problem -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Convert ext4 lvm to normal ext4 partition
JB wrote: Michael Milesmmamiga6at gmail.com writes: ... Thank God the price of 1 TB drives have come down a lot in the 6 months since I last looked as I will have to purchase one to back up the 500 gig that I have on the LVM I do not know if this is acceptable to you, but there are web online backup services like that on the Internet: https://spideroak.com/ JB Thanks for the suggestion but I somehow think it will be cheaper and much faster to just purchase a new drive. I can just imagine how long it would take my shaw connection to upload 500 gig... Besides it's mostly downloaded movies and music in flac that I am sure would sent the old piracy people right out of whack. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Convert ext4 lvm to normal ext4 partition
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On 12/11/10 1:13 PM, Michael Miles wrote: Considering that the LVM is a ext4 Virtual partition it seems to me that it would be easy to convert but there is no such beast out there Lots of stuff for converting ext3 to ext4 but nothing for what I need. This is pure speculation on my part, but I'm guessing one reason it's hard is that the LVM layer knows nothing about the ext4 layer. The ext4 layer contains lots of metadata (inodes, freelists, etc.) which includes pointers to disk sectors or extents. In a physical partition these point to real disk addresses but in an LVM partition they are virtual (compare real with virtual memory for an analogy). From LVM's viewpoint the entire ext4 fs is just disk sectors with random binary data. The fact that some of this stuff is fs metadata and some isn't means that a conversion tool would need to understand the ext4 metadata to convert it. Of course if it's ext3 or xfs or btrfs etc. then the same applies, with different rules for each one. Worse still, if you want a in-place conversion you have to be able to do this in such a way that it's recoverable even after a hard system crash in the middle of the conversion. And if you don't need it in-place, you already have the solution as said before. Just my 2 cents. poc Agreed, I am just really surprised that Fedora would adopt this method of storage as it slows down the drive by a huge margin. That reason alone would say to me' No, don't want this -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Convert ext4 lvm to normal ext4 partition
Peter Larsen wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 10:34 -0800, Michael Miles wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On 12/11/10 1:13 PM, Michael Miles wrote: Considering that the LVM is a ext4 Virtual partition it seems to me that it would be easy to convert but there is no such beast out there Lots of stuff for converting ext3 to ext4 but nothing for what I need. It's very easy to do; but why would you? LVM should be kept. It makes your life easier and has no impact on performance. Copying from/to an LVM is as easy/troublesome as copying to/from a partition. Use dd to copy data from one to another. Between LVs, between partitions or between LVs and partitions; both ways. In other words - there's no difference in the file system. ext4 is ext4. Whether you have it on a USB stick, scsi, sata, partition or even raw - the filesystem is the same. As long as there is room on the destination device, you can copy it from any device type to another. This is not the case for boot information (of course) but the file systems are the same. This is pure speculation on my part, but I'm guessing one reason it's hard is that the LVM layer knows nothing about the ext4 layer. The ext4 layer contains lots of metadata (inodes, freelists, etc.) which includes pointers to disk sectors or extents. In a physical partition these point to real disk addresses but in an LVM partition they are virtual (compare real with virtual memory for an analogy). This is false and based on not understanding how device handling is done. Device mapper is involved, with or without lvm. Your partition layout is just as much an abstract layer as an LVM volume is. All the kernel gets is the same mapping table between the logical to physical addresses, that you do in your partition table. There's nothing in EXT* that addresses physical addresses on your desk. Pretty much nothing does these days. From LVM's viewpoint the entire ext4 fs is just disk sectors with random binary data. The fact that some of this stuff is fs metadata and some isn't means that a conversion tool would need to understand the ext4 metadata to convert it. Of course if it's ext3 or xfs or btrfs etc. then the same applies, with different rules for each one. LVM has no opinion about anything that is inside the volume. That's up to other layers. Just like your partition table doesn't care what file system is created in a given partition. As you know, linux does not use the MBR partition type flags at all. They're all there for your benefit - nothing code wise. Worse still, if you want a in-place conversion you have to be able to do this in such a way that it's recoverable even after a hard system crash in the middle of the conversion. And if you don't need it in-place, you already have the solution as said before. If there is a crash in the dd, you just run dd again. If you're really good, you can resume it from where it left off; worst case is you copy everything again. Just my 2 cents. poc Agreed, I am just really surprised that Fedora would adopt this method of storage as it slows down the drive by a huge margin. That reason alone would say to me' No, don't want this HUGE MARGIN? Got any documentation to back that one up? There is no - repeat NO - performance/difference in how the disk is addressed by LVM or a partition. It's a simple mapping between logical and physical addresses, that is done regardless of how you address your device. I was running bench mark software (Seeker) which showed the huge difference from benching the boot (187 seeks/second) to the lvm on the same disk at 66 seeks/second That's a pretty big difference and it should not be -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Convert ext4 lvm to normal ext4 partition
Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday, November 12, 2010 01:34:09 pm Michael Miles wrote: Agreed, I am just really surprised that Fedora would adopt this method of storage as it slows down the drive by a huge margin. That reason alone would say to me' No, don't want this I'm curious as to what sort of performance issue you might be seeing, as I've done some benchmarks comparing LVM to raw disk before, and LVM is competetive in terms of performance in all the benchmarks I've run (I primarily use bonnie++, which is in Fedora, for this). LVM certainly gives you lots of flexibility afterwards, however, that a straight partition won't have. And that brings up your original question. How can you resize /boot? Now, it is possible to resize /boot using the Ext4 resizer, the LVM tools (specifically: lvresize, pvresize, pvmove, and friends) and very careful use of fdisk, without the loss of data, as long as you have over 50% free space on the disk. However, it is quite a bit easier to backup your data, reformat, and restore. And it is likely to be faster; the only advantage to the LVM method is that you can do it with the system on-line. The LVM method would require two pvmoves. To see part of the details of what this would look like, see: http://fedorasolved.org/Members/zcat/shrink-lvm-for-new-partition Especially if you're not extremely familiar with the operation of LVM in this scenario. I have done similar, where I migrated the / filesystem from a single disk to a RAID6 set without data loss and while the system was live, but it required a lot of thought, careful planning, and lots of reading beforehand to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. You could use a similar procedure to convert your disk to not using LVM (short version: reduce the LVM size, make a new partition large enough to contain all the data, clone the filesystem to the new partition, blow away LVM, make a new swap partition, resize the main data partition with gparted, all from a LiveCD of course), but, there again, backup/reformat/restore is probably quicker, and it is the only option if you have less than 50% free. It will be nice when gparted and similar tools get full LVM support; and, for all I know, some commercial tool out there has it already. Thank you very much for this. I will give it a go and see After I back everything up -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Never Hacked or Infected--Yet (Was: Re: End of life for FC12?)
James Mckenzie wrote: Timignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 10:36 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: Lack of the usual indicators, that is, no odd application behavior, no unusual slow-downs, no excessive CPU usage, no excessive or abnormal net (or hard drive) activity, no crashes or freezes, no strange log reports, no reports from friends about receiving spam e-mails from me that I never sent, etc. I've spent enough time fixing friends' infected Windows machines that I've gotten a feel for when something is amiss. It's not a definitive feeling, just an indicator to start checking for something wrong. I've seen comments made that the usual things you notice with a hacked Windows installation (where it's horribly sluggish and unstable), really only apply to Windows. Not to mention that an un-hacked, but otherwise crappily maintained, Windows box behaves just the same. Tim, Patrick, et. al.: These are all valid points. I've said that Fedora is 'beta' software in the past. Every effort is made by RedHat and the Fedora Project to insure that your system is stable, secure and safe. However, there may be an unknown 'Zero Day' exploit or other security issue. These exist throughout all operating systems, not just Linux. Information security should be an ONGOING task. You, as the system administrator, should know what is 'normal' for your system as far as CPU usage, memory usage and running processes. Crackers will attempt to hide their activity, but if you know the normal indicators, you can discover them and remove/disable software installed by them. One of the key provisions of good systems security is never to run unmaintained and unmaintainable software. When FC12 goes EOL and no longer receives security updates, it is time to update. FC14 has issues, as does software that is 'bleeding edge' but it is not a bad idea to update to FC13 until the 'bugs' are worked out. Also, internal and external security software (read Firewalls, IDS/IPS) can be 'hacked' and rendered ineffective and thus should also not be relied upon. Lastly, there are two types of people in the security realm: 1. Those who have not been breached and will. Those people tend to say I'm lucky and I'm not going to improve my security posture. This includes malware infections (viruses, spyware and worms.) 2. Those have been breached and now look like an armoured tank. I'm the latter. I have anti-virus software on my MacIntosh (there is ONE known in the wild virus/worm for the MacOSX platform), anti-spyware on my browser and other items (firewalls/ipfilters). I was struck by the MonkeyB worm from a supposedly active system with anti-virus installed (but disabled.) Virus infections can and do come from everywhere. Folks, please employ best security practices in your everyday computing. The computer data you may save may be your own. Windows is NOT the only platform with nasties, just the most popular. James McKenzie SSCP 367830 (yes, I'm a trained and certified security pro with lots of experience) - Also, internal and external security software (read Firewalls, IDS/IPS) can be 'hacked' and rendered ineffective and thus should also not be relied upon. I have been behind a router for the life of this computer and I have not had any problems with Fedora 12 being infected in any way. Can't say the same for my Win 7 installation on a Virtual Machine. Does being behind the router make intrusion just harder or does it protect my machine better than say just a firewall with lots of rule sets? I have been thinking of completely disabling my firewall since I do not have any computers connected to this computer. Is this a safe practice or am I setting myself up for intrusion? Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Never Hacked or Infected--Yet (Was: Re: End of life for FC12?)
Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/11/2010 09:16 AM, Michael Miles wrote: I have been thinking of completely disabling my firewall since I do not have any computers connected to this computer. Is this a safe practice or am I setting myself up for intrusion? Why would you want to? What benefit do you expect? That is what I am asking. Do I need a double firewall or would the router be enough.? The benefit that I can see would be the computer not having to actually do firewall duties and being a little bit quicker because of it. Especially with torrents. I don't really know!!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Convert ext4 lvm to normal ext4 partition
Hello I am running Fedora 12 x86-64 and it is about to go eol so I must upgrade this time around. I have a 1 tb sata 200 meg ext4 boot /dev/sda1 910 gb ext4 lvm home partition /dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root The last time I looked gparted will not handle lvm ext4 Question is is there a way of converting the LVM to a standard ext4 partition without loosing the data on the lvm? Or do I have to bite the bullet and reformat the entire drive with the partitions that I want, meaning I have to back up 400 gig of movies etc... If I could at least convert the partition then I could just resize the boot to install F14 Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Convert ext4 lvm to normal ext4 partition
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com mailto:jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Miles mmamiga6 at gmail.com http://gmail.com writes: ... Someone has done something similar (as a general method). http://jasondclinton.livejournal.com/72513.html The article is about resizing an ext4 filesystem on an LVM partition. The OP is asking how to convert an LVM partition to ext4, something quite different. AFAIK this can't be done other than the obvious way: backup, reformat, restore. poc Yep, that's what I thought... I was hoping there would be a way but every method that I can see involves data being destroyed Oh well, back it up and reformat. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Pinnacle Studio PCTV USB 2
Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: On 11/10/2010 10:41 PM, stan wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:30:40 -0700 stan gr...@q.com wrote: snip Check for error messages in /var/log/messages after you try to use it. Check for SELinux denials. Well the short version of the answer is that i could not find any SELinux denials or any error messages . The long version of the answer is the attached file which contains any relevant information i could find in dmesg and in /var/log/messages . The file was saved with Kwrite and with ISO 8859-1 encoding so i do not think that you are going to have any problems accessing it . If those don't solve the problem, describe what you mean by unable to watch TV. Does it start and then exit? Does it start and stall? What are the details of how it doesn't work? Well the application runs perfectly without crashing or anything but instead of picking up the tv tuner it either pics my usb camera ( a Logitech Webcam C250 ) or nothing and gives the error Cannot open capture device /dev/video0 With luck, someonw who has one of these will be able to give you some detailed help. I had a similar problem with tv time Unplug the camera and reboot the machine, now try the tv After it starts then plug the camera back in See if that works -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Proprietary or open source NVidia drivers?
James McKenzie wrote: On 10/16/10 10:16 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:59 PM, James McKenzie jjmckenzi...@earthlink.net wrote: On 10/15/10 1:31 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:50:12 -0700 James McKenzie wrote: On 10/14/10 1:52 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: This post has raised some heat in blog comments and also in Fedora mailing list discussion. Discussing OpenSource versus Proprietary always brings heat. Folks have to remember thought, that the OpenSource drivers do not support features and products that the proprietary drivers do, due to the 'hiding' of information by Vendors and the time it takes to black box test a particular feature. That is a fact of life and we all need to keep that in mind when someone asks: Open or closed source? Well what video card do you have and what do you plan to do with it? Older model, 2D and simple 3D: Open Source, almost always. Newer model (not on the OSS driver supported list) or complex 3D. Proprietary, mainly. As the OSS driver picks up more features AND the video card becomes 'older' then the OSS driver should be selected over proprietary. Simple answer, complex solution as information has to be gathered and suggestions should be made with caveats This works for me or Your Mileage May Vary. No need to argue here. This is about as cut and dried as it can be made. Some folks swear by Open Source, others at it. Some swear by nVidia/Catalyst/Intel, others at it. Nobody is ever going to be completely satisfied by someone else's solution if they are not doing EXACTLY the same things. James McKenzie A voice of reason on this issue. Amazing. :-) As for me, on every new Fedora release I install (currently running F13) I try the latest open source driver first. Then I install the NVidia driver (from the rpmfusion-nonfree repo). The latter has not yet failed to be snapper when running the KDE Desktop Effects than the former. That's on my desktop machines. Hopefully the Open Source community will figure out how to support your unique configuration and make us all happy. Until then, you have to do what you have to do. Thank you for the nice comment too. I tend to live in the commercial world but use Fedora/CentOS in my private life. James McKenzie I'll probably keep away from NVidia drivers for now, even if more people voted for them. Just because I would like to test Nuveao driver on different NVidia cards and see for myself how do they work. That is great, but I doubt that the Noveau drivers will support four screens, but it would be fantastic if this driver did support multiple cards over multiple screens to present something like 4096 x 3000 (I know the first number is correct but the second is a little low). Does this driver do something like that now? James McKenzie The one reason that I use the Nvidia proprietary driver is the Cuda device that is present on any Nvidia from the Geforce 8400 on to the big 400 series. I am a s...@home volunteer that uses the gpu to do computational tasks. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ The nouveau driver does not support Cuda at all so using the drivers from RPMFusion is the answer to solve this problem. Don't get me wrong, I think the people who volunteer and develop the nouveau driver are to be thanked deeply for their work but nouveau just needs more development which takes time. As well my tv tuner card said no way when I tried to install it using nouveau, so no tv clinches the argument for RPMFusion drivers. I would like to see a 100% compatible driver made from the nouveau crew but that will take time. Also is their legal issues with making a 100% compatible drivers from an open source developer? I don't really know if there would be legal problems there or not just a thought!!! Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Downloading trailers from Apple?
Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Saturday, October 16, 2010 22:06:51 Alex wrote: I'm using FC13 with the latest firefox and chrome, and neither can download the Apple movie trailers, such as this one: http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/conviction/ I've selected Watch Now-Download-1080p. It downloads a 80b file, which apparently contains a path to the actual MOV file, but not the whole file. It also starts to play the audio in the background without any reference to where it is coming from. $ file conviction-tlr1_1080p.mov conviction-tlr1_1080p.mov: Apple QuickTime multiple URLs It's essentially a QuickTime playlist, containing the actual address of the movie encoded somehow. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to read its content. If you buy the Mac and the QuickTime player, I guess it would read the address and play the movie for you. Otherwise, I don't know. Maybe someone else can help out. HTH, :-) Marko You may want to try Downloadhelper 4.7.3 which is a Firefox extension add on that will download flv and save it or convert it. It may work for quicktime mov files as well. Worth a go -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: Where can I get libdvdcss? Livna seems to be down
Michael Miles wrote: Harish Pillay wrote: I used to get libdvdcss from Livna, but I am unable to get livna repo to work manually or downloaded. I thought RMPFusion was supposed to have livna's repository in its own repository and this package does not exist? RPMFusion has everything *except* for libdvdcss. Any suggestions? Unfortunately, I have nothing to add here. Harish I just looked and it is in rpm.Livna.org for f12 x86_64 Enable the RPMFusion free and non free repos with Livna and your good to go with yum or type libdvdcss in the Add/Remove Software I just did and it's there I have not looked for f13 repo Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Proprietary or open source NVidia drivers?
Greg Woods wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 19:55 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: I would like to ask any NVidia Fedora users do you use open source or proprietary NVidia drivers? I generally use the proprietary Nvidia drivers. Why do you use driver that you use? Because it supports capabilities that the nouveau driver does not, in particular VDPAU. The nouveau support for 3D is also spotty at best (or was the last time I tried it). What are the benefits and disadvantages to both of them? nouveau: it's free software, no restrictions. nvidia: not free (as in speech) but it works better for my needs and is at least free (as in lunch). If you use proprietary drivers how do you install them? I have always downloaded the pkg.run file from Nvidia and run it with sh. This does require going outside of the package system every time there is a kernel update, but I don't have to wait for a third-party repository to produce an updated package. My comments are based on my own needs only, YMMV. In particular, since I use MythTV, I have to have VDPAU in order for playback of HD recordings to work. --Greg If you want your Nvidia video card to work like it is supposed to the use the proprietary drivers. Unless you want to recompile the drivers with your kernel every time you have a kernel update or driver update then do not use the pkg.run file from Nvidia. Instead use the builds created by RPMFusion at least then the kernel mods come with the driver and it is all done for you. The only drawback to using the RPM builds is they are older drivers and not the recent driver package from nvidia. On the other hand if you have new FERMI type video card from Nvidia then you will want to bite the bullet and use the latest run files from Nvidia as the latest drivers will run your FERMI type card much better than say the 195.36.31. The driver 195.36.31 will run the FERMI based cards okay but the latest file 260.19.12 will give much better support for the latest 400 series gpu. Either way the proprietary drivers are the way to go. I hope F14 has improved Nouveau enough to use it as a mainstay for Nvidia cards but the last time I looked they are still a very long way away from a completely compatible driver package for Nvidia cards There is a good installation directions here http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re:
Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:20:38 -0500 Daviddgbo...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/7/2010 12:09 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On 10/7/10 11:19 AM, David wrote: But remember that not all blank Subject: emails are spam. Sometimes a Newbie posts like that and it is a legitimate question or problem. As well as the replies. The list admins will probably hate this, but it could be more effective for the Mailman s/w to return such mail to sender with the comment that all mail to the list must have a non-empty Subject line. That could actually help the newbies and in general the spammers won't bother replying. Good idea. If that is possible (I don't doubt you) I wonder why no one thought of it before now? I like that solution much more than just 'kill file' or ignoring the post. :-) Excellent idea. I try drilling into students that it is a security risk to send e-mail without subject. Ranjan Basic rule here... No header, no read...just delete -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: realplayer
Patrick Dupre wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Michael Miles wrote:
David wrote:
On 9/28/2010 4:26 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
I installed realplayerGold11 on a fedora 13 machine.
The application runs but I have no sound !
How can I fix it ?
vlc works fine !
Thank.
Just a guess but make sure the pulseaudio plug in for Realplayer
is there
It works fine if I do padsp realplay.
How can I install the pluseaudio plugins for realplay ?
I did:
ln -s /usr/lib/libpulsedsp.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
but it does not help.
I also cannot get the sound from firefox !
Thank for your help.
Did Realplayer ever get changed so that it is no longer spyware? I did
like software that 'phones home' and reports on me. :-)
Sorry, I do not understand the point.
It would seem that realplayer has a problem with pulseaudio and the
passthrough from alsa to pulseaudio is not taking place.
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio needs to go in then give it a go.
What do you mean ?
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio is installed
Should I modify /etc/asound.conf ?
@hooks [
{
func load
files [
/etc/alsa/pulse-default.conf
]
errors false
}
]
Thank for your help.
Although I do not run realplayer I had to do some rangling to get my tv
tuner to work.
What I did was completely remove pulseaudio and set up alsa though
asound.conf
The following is for Myth tv setup but the sound setup tutorial is what
we are after here anyway
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound
Setting up ALSA's .asoundrc, Properly
This is the chapter of interest
Michael
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Re: Canon BJC-70 colour portable printer, no yellow.
Tim wrote: On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 07:18 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: The manufacturer of my printer (Epson) recommended that I use the printer at least twice a week to keep the jets clear. It didn't help. Sure it did. You use more ink, you buy more ink, they make more money... You have to wonder if that's the sole reason they give out that advice. Just to chime in here... It is the sole reason. Cleaning ink jet jets takes a lot of ink and they do count on this to sell more ink. Excellent argument for Color Laser printers. I used to get ink cartridges once every 30-45 days making for an expensive proposition. Since I purchased a laser it is every 3-4 months for toners, and I print every day. Since the price of Color Lasers have gone down, way down, then the whole idea of color ink jet is obsolete -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: realplayer
David wrote: On 9/28/2010 4:26 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, I installed realplayerGold11 on a fedora 13 machine. The application runs but I have no sound ! How can I fix it ? vlc works fine ! Thank. Just a guess but make sure the pulseaudio plug in for Realplayer is there It works fine if I do padsp realplay. How can I install the pluseaudio plugins for realplay ? I did: ln -s /usr/lib/libpulsedsp.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins but it does not help. I also cannot get the sound from firefox ! Thank for your help. Did Realplayer ever get changed so that it is no longer spyware? I did like software that 'phones home' and reports on me. :-) It would seem that realplayer has a problem with pulseaudio and the passthrough from alsa to pulseaudio is not taking place. alsa-plugins-pulseaudio needs to go in then give it a go. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Computing cpu's clock in cycles per second
JD wrote:
On 09/27/2010 07:34 AM, Wade Hampton wrote:
Did you look at using the RDTSC instruction to read the
cycle counter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Stamp_Counter
Sample this over an interval to get an estimate
of the clock frequency based on this counter.
__inline__ unsigned long long int rdtsc()
{
unsigned long long int x;
__asm__ volatile (.byte 0x0f, 0x31 : =A (x));
return(x);
}
I use gettimeofday() calls to check the wall-clock time,
usleep(n) to sleep for a long time (second or more),
and rdtsc to compute the cycles Seems to work
well.
Cheers,
--
Wade Hampton
Thank you very much Wade.
I confirm that using rdtsc, the delta in tsc values, divided by 60
(using nanosleep)
is 798283074.98 ticks per second, which is almost iddentical
to what is reported by cpuinfo:
cpu MHz: 798.244
No matter what the load factor on the machine, even when the load
reached 5 or 6,
it is the same value.
Well, that's what you get for buying a laptop from a crappy manufacturer
that has put in it a fixed unprogrammable clock (oscillator), and put in a
lame BIOS that provides no hooks for setting C2 C3 ...etc.
I will certainly steer friends and family away from this manufacturer.
I find the whole idea of a manufacturer purposely sabotaging a computer
in this manner just disgraceful.
This one really takes the cake since cool and quiet and powernow was
a big marketing scheme back then. You would think that the bios would at
least have something to say about it
I wonder if the machine in question was on windows if the cool and quiet
drivers would have something to enable/ disable them by software?
But then again if Bios does not support then that would be a no show too...
Very bad manufacturing screw up
Michael
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Re: realplayer
Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, I installed realplayerGold11 on a fedora 13 machine. The application runs but I have no sound ! How can I fix it ? vlc works fine ! Thank. Just a guess but make sure the pulseaudio plug in for Realplayer is there Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Boot blocks of a bootable CD
JD wrote: Given a bootable CD or DVD (either the medium itself, or the iso file), is there a way to extract the boot blocks from it for use in creating a different bootable Cd or DVD? Would it even work? AcetoneISO is the one you want Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Computing cpu's clock in cycles per second
JD wrote: On 09/26/2010 01:21 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:10:34 -0700 JD wrote: Since I have not been successful to determine the runtime cpu frequency using the fedora tools: How about cat /proc/cpuinfo | fgrep 'cpu MHz' Of course, I have no idea where that number comes from. I have some virtual machines which sometimes get a 0 for that number when they boot. That gives the bios reported value at bootup, which is not the AMD sstaated clock which is 2.4 GHz. Once it boots, and I run programs to load the cpu to 99%, couinfo still reports 790MHz. Which is totally bogus! What does your Bios say for speed of cpu? It sure sounds like cool and quiet is on or C2 - C3 is still on [ami...@localhost ~]$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | fgrep 'cpu MHz' cpu MHz: 3600.164 cpu MHz: 3600.164 cpu MHz: 3600.164 cpu MHz: 3600.164 [ami...@localhost ~]$ This is accurate and my Bios is reflecting this speed as well Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Are all cores unlocked?
James Wilkinson wrote: Michael Miles wrote: I can't wait to see the Bulldozer series in action ( 16 cores Hyperthreaded) yeah baby.. Unfortunately, Bulldozer doesn’t do conventional SMT (which is what Intel usually¹ means by hyperthreading). It has two integer cores sharing a wide floating point engine and level 2 cache. This combination is what AMD call a “module”, but they will be selling it as two cores. So a 16 core Bulldozer will have 16 hardware threads. A module takes more power and area than a traditional core with hyperthreading, but you should get more performance out of it, too. Sorry, James. ¹ Hyperthreading is an Intel trademark, and, as such, means precisely what Intel wants it to mean at the moment. This can change (it means something different for the Itanium). Thank's for the clear up. My question is with Hyperthreading that is if each core does double duty so to speak by looking after two threads would it not do basically the same work as one core full bore on one thread. Is there a speed difference (faster, slower) It seems to me that two threads time share one core. Thus making the work load the same as if one core was doing one task but at twice the speed It is confusing why they would have Hyperthreading there. An i7 920 with 4 cores does the same amount of work as the same chip with 8 cores showing with Hyperthreading active. Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Email problem undeliverable
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/24/2010 09:48 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/24/2010 09:07 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:51:33 -0700, Daniel wrote: Additional info that I received: This is the mail system at host lists.fedoraproject.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail topostmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system users@lists.fedoraproject.org: mail forwarding loop for users@lists.fedoraproject.org context of email message here The part you deleted (= context of email message here) is the interesting one, since it includes the headers of the message that caused trouble. There's some server in Germany involved. Hmm.. I will reply to this message and see if I get the same message again, and if I do, I will forward that message back to this list. What I noticed in the snipped part was that it was basically the message I sent out, only that it was text-compressed together and somewhat mangled. OK, I no longer got the undeliverable errors anymore - seems the problem are now fixed? Ok let give this a try and see if it will come back here Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Are all cores unlocked?
JD wrote: On 09/22/2010 06:05 AM, Terry Polzin wrote: cat /proc/cpuinfo processor: 0 vendor_id: AuthenticAMD cpu family : 16 model: 4 model name : AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 555 Processor stepping : 3 cpu MHz : 800.000 cache size : 512 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 0 cpu cores: 2 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception: yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save bogomips : 6399.37 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes: 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate processor: 1 vendor_id: AuthenticAMD cpu family : 16 model: 4 model name : AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 555 Processor stepping : 3 cpu MHz : 3200.000 cache size : 512 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 2 core id : 1 cpu cores: 2 apicid : 1 initial apicid : 1 fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception: yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save bogomips : 6400.39 clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes: 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate On my notebook, which has an old 2.2 GHz athlon65 uniicore (3700+), cpuinfo shows cpu MHz as 798.103 Does that mean that as I am typing this message, the cpu is running at only 790MHz?? How an I speed it up? All amd processors are either locked (Multiplier set) or unlocked (Black Editions , unlocked multiplier) Which means the multiplier can be raised to adjust the cpu speed. I think you are thinking the cores themselves are cut and in some mobos you can unlock some cores. Amd Phenom x2 555 is a Phenom x4 555 with two cores disabled for marketing reasons. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2927 It's a roll of the dice to see if one of these can be unlocked to show 4 cores. Some do and some don't In reality when the price of these units are so low you could have got your self a real quad for just over 100 bucks Good luck Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Are all cores unlocked?
fred smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:26:02AM -0700, JD wrote: On 09/22/2010 06:05 AM, Terry Polzin wrote: cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 16 model : 4 model name : AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 555 Processor stepping: 3 cpu MHz : 800.000 cache size : 512 KB physical id : 0 siblings: 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save bogomips: 6399.37 clflush size: 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate processor : 1 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 16 model : 4 model name : AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 555 Processor stepping: 3 cpu MHz : 3200.000 cache size : 512 KB physical id : 0 siblings: 2 core id : 1 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 1 initial apicid : 1 fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save bogomips: 6400.39 clflush size: 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate On my notebook, which has an old 2.2 GHz athlon65 uniicore (3700+), cpuinfo shows cpu MHz as 798.103 Does that mean that as I am typing this message, the cpu is running at only 790MHz?? How an I speed it up? I noticed that too. here's /proc/cpuinfo (for one of the cores) on my PhenomII X2 550 (black edition), not overclocked: processor : 1 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 16 model : 4 model name : AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 550 Processor stepping: 2 cpu MHz : 3100.000 cache size : 512 KB physical id : 0 siblings: 2 core id : 1 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 1 fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc nonstop_tsc pni cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate [8] bogomips: 6228.99 and it shows the correct cpu MHZ. However, I note that the bogomips shown by yours is slightly higher than mine, which would correspond to the 3200 Mhz clock speed. So, I don't understand why yours shows 800 while mine shows the true rated clock speed. If yours was really underclocked by a factor of 4 (which would be the case if it were actually running at 800 Mhz) the bogomips wouldn't be what you're getting. I wonder if it's an artifact of how the BIOS reports info to the kernel?... As far as the speed being low the units have power saving features so when your not at load the processors will clock down. Disable all the power saving features in the Bios and you will see your speed go up to normal. C2 features and C3 will lower voltage and speed and make sure Cool and quiet is disabled Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Celestia Space Simulator
JD wrote: On 09/22/2010 08:10 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/21/2010 10:13 PM, JD wrote: On 09/21/2010 07:00 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/21/2010 06:22 PM, Michael Miles wrote: Nvidia 9400 Gt Since Celestia is graphics intensive, you might want to check this out. I've read there were some problems associated with Nvidia drivers... (being proprietary) but I could be wrong. I personally had problems with Nvidia way back then and it was really bad - I since stopped buying mobos with Nvidia, but that is just my experience which probably does not amount to a hill of beans ;) I have an ASUS P5GC-MX/1333: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ (Graphics) Try Stellarium or other graphics intensive apps and see if they crash or not? I doubt that SELinux is the issue... I tried stellarium. Its not as bad a cpu hog as celestia. I also edited ~/.stellarium/config.ini and set Location to San Diego, USA and it belched: Warning: location San Diego, USA is unknown Got the same warning using San Diego, California, USA So, it seems I cannot see the view from San Diego I would not mess with the config.ini, use the User Interface. Use the Location setting dialog available via the left-column pop out, it is hidden. : There are many setting options therein. By default, location is set to France I tried San Diego, No Errors I tried Portland, OR, USA: No errors I tried many other locations: No errors Found it. Thanx! Finally got it to work. I had to uninstall it and make sure all files that were missed with the uninstall were deleted and reinstalled as root. Will not run as root though, only as a regular user. My 9400 gt handles the load just fine and no stagger at all. Am flying through the universe again. Get me off of this planet for a bit anyway. Beam me up Scotty -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: list server returning lots of undeliverables
JD wrote: This morning I got about 10 of these: This is the mail system at host lists.fedoraproject.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail topostmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system users@lists.fedoraproject.org: mail forwarding loop for users@lists.fedoraproject.org Yes, I got 20 here undelivered Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Problem with CVE-2010-3081 vulnerability
There seems to be a problem with kernels on all distros that are 64 bit http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security-threats/2010/09/21/linux-kernel-exploit-roots-64-bit-machines-40090177/?s_cid=116tag=mantle_skin;content Read this article and run ksplice to check for the problem. There is a patch but it seems after you run patch the 32 bit software on a 64 bit machine will not function any more. Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Exploit on Linux Kernel
There seems to be a problem with kernels on all distros that are 64 bit http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security-threats/2010/09/21/linux-kernel-exploit-roots-64-bit-machines-40090177/?s_cid=3D116tag=3Dmantle_skin;content Read this and check out the patch I hope this email does not get bounced back Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Are all cores unlocked?
JD wrote: On 09/22/2010 10:56 AM, Kenneth Marcy wrote: On Sep 22, 2010, JDjd1...@gmail.com wrote: On my notebook, which has an old 2.2 GHz athlon65 uniicore (3700+), cpuinfo shows cpu MHz as 798.103 OK Does that mean that as I am typing this message, the cpu is running at only 790MHz?? Approximately, yes. Your machine is also not discharging its battery quite so fast, nor is it generating more heat unnecessarily for the modest level of CPU activity you are now requesting of the machine. How an I speed it up? Ask the CPU to do more work. Recalculate a large spreadsheet. Spell-check a long document. Do a database lookup. Better yet, do them all at the same time. If your bandwidth, as opposed to the machine's, isn't interested in all that excitement, but you still want to exercise the processor more, find some program to run in the background while you do less compute-intensive tasks. For example, you could join the fold...@home project: I ran a super cpu hog: celestia. Cput utilization reached 99.9% and stayed there. In a terminal window, I ran this shell: while true; do cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i mhz sleep 3 done The speed stayed at 790MHz. I think there must be something wrong with speed-step or somehow, the bios does not update this value (I understand that cpuinfo is populated by calls to bios). I wish I could find a program that could actually test the cpu MHz by timing, in a loop, a complex set of instructions which would be an average representation of the machine's instructions used by apps and kernel. I am not sure if such a program exists. The old mips calculation programs do not work on modern architectures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fold...@home Or you could just be content that your computer knows how to run in an idle mode instead of racing around at top speed when it doesn't have anything to compute at the moment (which is most of the time, usually). One of the larger challenges of contemporary computer science is to figure out how to use, most efficiently and effectively, the multiple processor resources now more commonly available. Software has to be made aware of how to best use the newer hardware, and this is a non-trivial task. Ken In the Bios check your C2 or C3 and make sure it is disabled. Also Cool and Quiet needs to be turned off. I hate that feature as my rig is at 100% load on all 4 cores 24/7 . (s...@home) That's one thing very nice about this processor (Phenom II 965 @ 3.6) is I do not even realize that it is under 100% load all the time. I can't wait to see the Bulldozer series in action ( 16 cores Hyperthreaded) yeah baby.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Email problem undeliverable
Every email that I send to the address comes back undeliverable Just to this site??? Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Email problem undeliverable
fchan wrote: Hi Michael, I see you message so check who is the replier that is showing this error since this may not come from Fedora and could be coming from person on the list. Frank Every email that I send to the address comes back undeliverable Just to this site??? Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Coming back from users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Email problem undeliverable
JD wrote: On 09/22/2010 03:25 PM, Michael Miles wrote: Every email that I send to the address comes back undeliverable Just to this site??? Michael I am having the same problem. Good at least I know it is not just me so I can stop the hunt for email problems Weird Eh Talk about ghosts in the systems -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: list server returning lots of undeliverables
Piscium wrote: Same here. Michael Got one bounce to the email I sent. Man this is nuts. Every one that goes to the list get returned -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Exploit on Linux Kernel
Genes MailLists wrote: On 09/22/2010 06:14 PM, Michael Miles wrote: There seems to be a problem with kernels on all distros that are 64 bit http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security-threats/2010/09/21/linux-kernel-exploit-roots-64-bit-machines-40090177/?s_cid=3D116tag=3Dmantle_skin;content not necessary - this has already been fixed already in the current released (f13 anyway) kernel ... Cool, I just thought it would be worth the nod up -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I want to become the next person after U.S. Senator Ernie Chambers to sue God
Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore wrote: I want to sue God for being too busy and unresponsive. How can I file a lawsuit against Him at the U.S. Supreme Court? This guy is a banned spammer -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Celestia Space Simulator
Hi all I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked really well for about 10 minutes then crashed and will not start up any more. I have removed it and re-installed it and still it starts with the beginning banner and then crashes with no abrt warning. This is a beautiful sim and I am just wondering if anyone has had the same problems with this software. It bugs me because it worked and I was flying through the universe when I crash landed on mars, it just quit!!! Michael F12 x86_64 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Celestia Space Simulator
JD wrote: On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: Hi all I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked really well for about 10 minutes then crashed and will not start up any more. I have removed it and re-installed it and still it starts with the beginning banner and then crashes with no abrt warning. This is a beautiful sim and I am just wondering if anyone has had the same problems with this software. It bugs me because it worked and I was flying through the universe when I crash landed on mars, it just quit!!! Michael F12 x86_64 /I downloaded celestia-gtk-1.4.1.x86.package and ran it (as non superuser) and it installed. But it does not tell me where it installed it, and it did not flag any errors or problems. So I search my home dir and /tmp. It is not there. Ditto with Desktop. No new icon. Is this Ghost Ware? :) / I am not sure. Here's where it came from celestia.x86_64 1.5.1-2.fc12 @fedora Like I said it installed then ran no problem then just stopped. When I run it from command line I get [ami...@localhost ~]$ celestia Initializing ARB vertex programs . . . Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/specular_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/haze_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/bumpdiffuse_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/bumphaze_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/shadowtex_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse_texoff_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/rings_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/ringshadow_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/night_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/glossmap_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/haze2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse_texoff2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/specular2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/night2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/star_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/multishadow_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/texphong_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/texphong_alpha_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/ell_galaxy_arb.vp All ARB vertex programs loaded successfully. Initializing NV fragment programs . . . Loading NV fragment program: shaders/shadow_on_rings_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/eclipse1_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/eclipse2_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/diffuse_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/bumpdiffuse_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/texphong_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/texphong_alpha_nv.fp All NV fragment programs loaded successfully. render path: 8 Floating point exception (core dumped) This is a Fedora repo sim Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Celestia Space Simulator
JD wrote: On 09/21/2010 11:10 AM, Michael Miles wrote: JD wrote: On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: Hi all I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked really well for about 10 minutes then crashed and will not start up any more. I have removed it and re-installed it and still it starts with the beginning banner and then crashes with no abrt warning. This is a beautiful sim and I am just wondering if anyone has had the same problems with this software. It bugs me because it worked and I was flying through the universe when I crash landed on mars, it just quit!!! Michael F12 x86_64 /I downloaded celestia-gtk-1.4.1.x86.package and ran it (as non superuser) and it installed. But it does not tell me where it installed it, and it did not flag any errors or problems. So I search my home dir and /tmp. It is not there. Ditto with Desktop. No new icon. Is this Ghost Ware? :) / I am not sure. Here's where it came from celestia.x86_64 1.5.1-2.fc12 @fedora Like I said it installed then ran no problem then just stopped. When I run it from command line I get [ami...@localhost ~]$ celestia Initializing ARB vertex programs . . . Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/specular_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/haze_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/bumpdiffuse_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/bumphaze_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/shadowtex_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse_texoff_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/rings_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/ringshadow_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/night_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/glossmap_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/haze2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse_texoff2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/specular2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/night2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/star_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/multishadow_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/texphong_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/texphong_alpha_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/ell_galaxy_arb.vp All ARB vertex programs loaded successfully. Initializing NV fragment programs . . . Loading NV fragment program: shaders/shadow_on_rings_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/eclipse1_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/eclipse2_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/diffuse_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/bumpdiffuse_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/texphong_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/texphong_alpha_nv.fp All NV fragment programs loaded successfully. render path: 8 Floating point exception (core dumped) This is a Fedora repo sim Michael OK. I installed it from fedora instead of sourceforge and it runs - but it is taking 99.9% of cpu. I am unable to do anything. What a monster this app is :) top - 11:43:40 up 1:57, 1 users, load average: 2.46, 1.76, 1.37 Tasks: 176 total, 2 running, 174 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 96.1%us, 3.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 2062408k total, 1991168k used,71240k free, 260496k buffers Swap: 8385924k total, 2904k used, 8383020k free, 1030732k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 30805 jd20 0 325m 65m 13m R 99.9 3.3 2:48.03 celestia Wow, talk a hungry little dude. I have had some success running it in root but same thing but this time I get a abrt warning process usr/bin/celestia killed by signal 8 (SIGFPE) I have disabled selinux and the firewall just to see if that had any effect. (NIL) This ran perfect the first and ever since the first crash it will not run. I get the splash screen and then blank screen Too bad because it is a very nice application for kids to explore the universe. Very useful for educational purposes Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Celestia Space Simulator
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/21/2010 03:39 PM, Michael Miles wrote: JD wrote: On 09/21/2010 11:10 AM, Michael Miles wrote: JD wrote: On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: Hi all I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked really well for about 10 minutes then crashed and will not start up any more. I have removed it and re-installed it and still it starts with the beginning banner and then crashes with no abrt warning. This is a beautiful sim and I am just wondering if anyone has had the same problems with this software. It bugs me because it worked and I was flying through the universe when I crash landed on mars, it just quit!!! Michael F12 x86_64 /I downloaded celestia-gtk-1.4.1.x86.package and ran it (as non superuser) and it installed. But it does not tell me where it installed it, and it did not flag any errors or problems. So I search my home dir and /tmp. It is not there. Ditto with Desktop. No new icon. Is this Ghost Ware? :) / I am not sure. Here's where it came from celestia.x86_64 1.5.1-2.fc12 @fedora Like I said it installed then ran no problem then just stopped. When I run it from command line I get [ami...@localhost ~]$ celestia Initializing ARB vertex programs . . . Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/specular_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/haze_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/bumpdiffuse_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/bumphaze_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/shadowtex_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse_texoff_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/rings_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/ringshadow_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/night_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/glossmap_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/haze2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/diffuse_texoff2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/specular2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/night2_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/star_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/multishadow_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/texphong_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/texphong_alpha_arb.vp Loading ARB vertex program: shaders/ell_galaxy_arb.vp All ARB vertex programs loaded successfully. Initializing NV fragment programs . . . Loading NV fragment program: shaders/shadow_on_rings_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/eclipse1_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/eclipse2_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/diffuse_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/bumpdiffuse_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/texphong_nv.fp Loading NV fragment program: shaders/texphong_alpha_nv.fp All NV fragment programs loaded successfully. render path: 8 Floating point exception (core dumped) This is a Fedora repo sim Michael OK. I installed it from fedora instead of sourceforge and it runs - but it is taking 99.9% of cpu. I am unable to do anything. What a monster this app is :) top - 11:43:40 up 1:57, 1 users, load average: 2.46, 1.76, 1.37 Tasks: 176 total, 2 running, 174 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 96.1%us, 3.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 2062408k total, 1991168k used,71240k free, 260496k buffers Swap: 8385924k total, 2904k used, 8383020k free, 1030732k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 30805 jd20 0 325m 65m 13m R 99.9 3.3 2:48.03 celestia Wow, talk a hungry little dude. I have had some success running it in root but same thing but this time I get a abrt warning process usr/bin/celestia killed by signal 8 (SIGFPE) I have disabled selinux and the firewall just to see if that had any effect. (NIL) This ran perfect the first and ever since the first crash it will not run. I get the splash screen and then blank screen Too bad because it is a very nice application for kids to explore the universe. Very useful for educational purposes Michael Seems ok for me. Using Fedora 13, running on a Core-Duo, 2GB Fast RAM, 1333 FSB, Celestia runs about 35% on my system. I can see the CPU load on Gkrellm monitor, with top option installed with percentage option enabled. Maybe mileage varies according to the performance of your Mobo, FSB, CPU speed, Ram speed, ...? Celestia has not crashed on my system. I also run Stellarium (15-25% CPU Load) I use a Phenom 2 965 @ 3.6 4 gig ddr2 @ 1066 on a Asus M4N72-E mobo / Nvidia 9400 Gt running with the 195.36.31 drivers I suspect Selinux and am going to try a few more things to see if I can get it going again. Michael -- users
Re: Celestia Space Simulator
JD wrote: On 09/21/2010 07:00 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 09/21/2010 06:22 PM, Michael Miles wrote: Nvidia 9400 Gt Since Celestia is graphics intensive, you might want to check this out. I've read there were some problems associated with Nvidia drivers... (being proprietary) but I could be wrong. I personally had problems with Nvidia way back then and it was really bad - I since stopped buying mobos with Nvidia, but that is just my experience which probably does not amount to a hill of beans ;) I have an ASUS P5GC-MX/1333: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ (Graphics) Try Stellarium or other graphics intensive apps and see if they crash or not? I doubt that SELinux is the issue... I tried stellarium. Its not as bad a cpu hog as celestia. I also edited ~/.stellarium/config.ini and set Location to San Diego, USA and it belched: Warning: location San Diego, USA is unknown Got the same warning using San Diego, California, USA So, it seems I cannot see the view from San Diego. Well, I installed it as superuser but it will not start from there It will start as Regular user, very weird. I am going to see if I can replicate the crash conditions Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FC12 forcing hard reboot
James Wilkinson wrote: Tod Thomas wrote: I yum upgraded to FC12 recently and now my machine is locking up hard a couple of times a day. I've upgrade two other boxes similarly and they haven't had this problem. Is there any way to debug this? I can provide more information as requested. What graphics card do you have? Which drivers? Modeset or nomodeset? How much graphics memory? Thanks, James. Had the same problem last week but the new update took care of it. Make sure you are fully up to date Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FC12 forcing hard reboot
Andras Simon wrote: On 9/19/10, Robert Myersrbmyers...@gmail.com wrote: I've had this happening since I installed F13. Of course it might be the consequence of a different problem. Is it the box or the display interface that locks up? I had a recent fc13 freeze (on which I tentatively blame firefox) that wouldn't allow me to get to the text console screens (ctrl-alt-f2, etc.), but would allow me to ssh into the box. It's definitely not just X. Keyboard LEDs start to flash and the machine reboots after half a minute or so. (And there's nothing useful in the logs.) Andras I had the exact same problem , it would lockup about 3 times a day but it cleared after the last update for F12 Not one lockup since Make sure you are completely up to date The reason I am waiting to go up from F12 is the release of F14 is so close and I am going to have to format this 1 TB since the boot partition is not big enough. I am going to use a 1 gig boot this time allowing for future Fedora releases. Just in case the size of the boot partition goes up again -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FLAC on FC13
Alex wrote: Hi, How can I play FLAC audio files on FC13? MPlayer and Rythmbox don't seem to support them? Yes they do, what errors are you seeing when you run mplayer from the commandline maybe paste the output of mplayer -vthe flac file I want to play Okay, my mistake. I was trying to select the contents of the folder instead of the folder name, ugh. Need more caffeine. Thanks, Alex Although Mplayer and Rythmbox do support Flac give VLC a try. I use it for ALL Media -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: mime type of youtube vidoes
JD wrote: Do youtube videos have an embedded mime type? What is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Video The type video/x-flv .flv .flv is the associated extension and video/x-flv is the content type Cheers -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FC12 forcing hard reboot
Tod Thomas wrote: I yum upgraded to FC12 recently and now my machine is locking up hard a couple of times a day. I've upgrade two other boxes similarly and they haven't had this problem. Is there any way to debug this? I can provide more information as requested. Thanks - Tod Same here. Absolutely no reason just locks up. Yesterday was three times. We shall see what today brings. Michael F12 x86_64 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT - Command line manipulation of sound files
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 09/06/2010 09:53 PM, Robert wrote: I attacked the seemingly simply task of producing an audio CD from a collection of MP3 files and have concluded that it's not as easy as it sounds. UNLESS GUI front ends are used! I would much rather stick with CLI because scripting works better that way. Check out bbb. I have bbb-0.0.3-1.i386.rpm installed on my server (from a *long* time ago). You should be able to find it from www.flyn.org/projects/bbb/download.html. I think the current version is 0.0.4. bbb is a replacement for burn_baby_burn. Both are a set of scripts for ripping/burning and generally dealing with CD/CD-R/CD-RWs. I burned many a CD-R with WAV files using it years ago. I decided that the first step must create a .wav file for each .mp3. I found many scripts to do that; kept coming back to the very simple mpg123 -w outfile.wav infile.mp3 That has worked fine for all the mp3 files I've given it, producing .wav files that play properly with the command play outfile.wav Further, the .wav file will be played properly by VLC Player AND if chosen by k3b as a file to be written to an audio CD, that CD will play fine in the original factory CD player in my '98 Chevy pickup. BUT I have spent most of today finding and trying, then rejecting command-line solutions for writing to CD. From http://sharkysoft.com/tutorials/linuxtips/cdcommands/ I find this one cdrecord -v -pad speed=1 dev=5,0,0 -dao -audio -swab *.wav Which yields cdrecord: Inappropriate audio coding in '$first_file.wav' Then, from http://www.pallier.org/ressources/linux_howtos/linux_howto.html#tth_sEc24 we have cdrecord dev=5,0,0 -pad speed=0 -audio *.wav Which doesn't work, either. Again, I have no problem with k3b EXCEPT that I must manually select which songs to burn to the CD rather than let a script do it ... and surprise me. Any ideas? Thanks! The source (mp3) is not a desirable way to reproduce a audio cd. The mp3 has undergone a huge loss in the making of the mp3 so when you try and make a cd that is to be played on a home stereo or car deck you will notice a tinny sound. You can't make something out of nothing. If you want a high quality cd use sources like cd itself, wav files that have just been produced by ripping a cd, Flac (Free lossless audio codec), iso files, m4a, ape. these are the most common sources for a proper cd. A cd runs at 1411kbit/second Wav files run at 800- 1411kbit/second Flac files are just compressed wav ape is pretty much like flac just a different compression scheme m4a is a lossy type compression but produces mp4 at 800kbit/second giving a very good quality sound If you must burn from mp3 make sure the bitrate of the mp3 source is at least 192 224, 320 is max bitrate for lame mp3 Anything lower than 192 is not going to be worth the blank cd. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT - Command line manipulation of sound files
Michael Miles wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 09/06/2010 09:53 PM, Robert wrote: I attacked the seemingly simply task of producing an audio CD from a collection of MP3 files and have concluded that it's not as easy as it sounds. UNLESS GUI front ends are used! I would much rather stick with CLI because scripting works better that way. Check out bbb. I have bbb-0.0.3-1.i386.rpm installed on my server (from a *long* time ago). You should be able to find it from www.flyn.org/projects/bbb/download.html. I think the current version is 0.0.4. bbb is a replacement for burn_baby_burn. Both are a set of scripts for ripping/burning and generally dealing with CD/CD-R/CD-RWs. I burned many a CD-R with WAV files using it years ago. I decided that the first step must create a .wav file for each .mp3. I found many scripts to do that; kept coming back to the very simple mpg123 -w outfile.wav infile.mp3 That has worked fine for all the mp3 files I've given it, producing .wav files that play properly with the command play outfile.wav Further, the .wav file will be played properly by VLC Player AND if chosen by k3b as a file to be written to an audio CD, that CD will play fine in the original factory CD player in my '98 Chevy pickup. BUT I have spent most of today finding and trying, then rejecting command-line solutions for writing to CD. From http://sharkysoft.com/tutorials/linuxtips/cdcommands/ I find this one cdrecord -v -pad speed=1 dev=5,0,0 -dao -audio -swab *.wav Which yields cdrecord: Inappropriate audio coding in '$first_file.wav' Then, from http://www.pallier.org/ressources/linux_howtos/linux_howto.html#tth_sEc24 we have cdrecord dev=5,0,0 -pad speed=0 -audio *.wav Which doesn't work, either. Again, I have no problem with k3b EXCEPT that I must manually select which songs to burn to the CD rather than let a script do it ... and surprise me. Any ideas? Thanks! The source (mp3) is not a desirable way to reproduce a audio cd. The mp3 has undergone a huge loss in the making of the mp3 so when you try and make a cd that is to be played on a home stereo or car deck you will notice a tinny sound. You can't make something out of nothing. If you want a high quality cd use sources like cd itself, wav files that have just been produced by ripping a cd, Flac (Free lossless audio codec), iso files, m4a, ape. these are the most common sources for a proper cd. A cd runs at 1411kbit/second Wav files run at 800- 1411kbit/second Flac files are just compressed wav ape is pretty much like flac just a different compression scheme m4a is a lossy type compression but produces mp4 at 800kbit/second giving a very good quality sound If you must burn from mp3 make sure the bitrate of the mp3 source is at least 192 224, 320 is max bitrate for lame mp3 Anything lower than 192 is not going to be worth the blank cd. Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: TVTime loses focus after installing F13
William Case wrote: Hi; I have a Hauppauge WinTv-HVR 1800 tuner with an analog Cable TV (NTSC - Canada). In F12 I received a near perfect video picture from my cable TV. In F13, the picture is black and white with various degrees of interference lines depending on the tv channel. I have played with (used) TVTime quite a bit in the last 3 or 4 years so I am familiar with all the menu settings and the configuration file. No matter what I try, I can't get the proper reception back. I still have no analog sound for this tuner, but I see that as a separate Alsa problem. Any suggestions as to what I might be overlooking or might have mis-configured with the video? In the channel management section try and change the NTSC cable mode and see if that helps Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: TVTime loses focus after installing F13
William Case wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 12:30 -0700, Michael Miles wrote: William Case wrote: Hi; I have a Hauppauge WinTv-HVR 1800 tuner with an analog Cable TV (NTSC - Canada). In F12 I received a near perfect video picture from my cable TV. In F13, the picture is black and white with various degrees of interference lines depending on the tv channel. I have played with (used) TVTime quite a bit in the last 3 or 4 years so I am familiar with all the menu settings and the configuration file. No matter what I try, I can't get the proper reception back. I still have no analog sound for this tuner, but I see that as a separate Alsa problem. Any suggestions as to what I might be overlooking or might have mis-configured with the video? In the channel management section try and change the NTSC cable mode and see if that helps Michael I tried that; nothing improves. If the manual fine tuning does not work then I don't know as I have had no problems with tvtime at all with F12. I have not switched to F13 yet because there just seems to be too many problems and I will wait for F14 as the video problems of F13 should be fixed by then,. Try XDTV and see if you can get a picture clear. It's a bit cumbersome but works and it will record I had to set the tv norm to ntsc m to get it to work Just to see if it is a problem with tvtime and F13 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day
Ed Greshko wrote: Or, is it only Windows 7 that now eliminates the need to go through the process? Windows 7 is far from immune to this process. It goes through the same process of installing a bit then reboot to finish the install only to see more come up the next time around. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how is it possible?
Parshwa Murdia wrote: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:51 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 n2xssvv.g02gfr12...@ntlworld.com wrote: Obviously Tom H has never heard of the 13th Commandment Thou shall not be a smart arse One should not be by intention, but without intention if you generate the feeling he is becoming smarter arse, it is your way of judgment! Would it be true to everybody's respect? Never! Before you ask I know not the 11th and 12th commandments Would not ask. That said I suspect that's just Google providing the fancy technology I assure you that Google is the best search engine! TimeZoneClock is a nice little round clock!!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Vesa Drivers - fedora instalation
James McKenzie wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: David A. Paredes Rios wrote: Hello guys, i have a doubt, there is anyway to install fedora with vesa drivers or generic video drivers as default? Because i have some problems installing my fedora, after install, i have video problems, then someone give me a command or something to install with default vesa drivers, and it works fine, anyone knows how to do it? The last time I looked, there was Install a system with basic video drivers which I believe is what ynou want. Bill: I get an error that there is not enough video memory and then the installation switches to text mode. If I complete the installation, I get the wrong video mode and screen corruption. I think 'Doc' Savage sent me fixes for that. James McKenzie I had the same problem with a 512 meg ram laptop that was using shared ram for video I reduced the shared ram down to 16 meg for the install only then after it was finished I brought it back up to 64 meg Another system that used no shared ram for video failed to install in vesa mode and I had to bring it up to 768 meg ram just for the install then drop back down to 512 after install The min requirements for F13 is 1.2.2. Processor and memory requirements for x86_64 architectures * Minimum RAM for text-mode: 256 MiB * Minimum RAM for graphical: 384 MiB * Recommended RAM for graphical: 512 MiB It runs on 512meg ram but install requires more for some reason If you ave more ram then put it in and try again -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Vesa Drivers - fedora instalation
Michael Miles wrote: James McKenzie wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: David A. Paredes Rios wrote: Hello guys, i have a doubt, there is anyway to install fedora with vesa drivers or generic video drivers as default? Because i have some problems installing my fedora, after install, i have video problems, then someone give me a command or something to install with default vesa drivers, and it works fine, anyone knows how to do it? The last time I looked, there was Install a system with basic video drivers which I believe is what ynou want. Bill: I get an error that there is not enough video memory and then the installation switches to text mode. If I complete the installation, I get the wrong video mode and screen corruption. I think 'Doc' Savage sent me fixes for that. James McKenzie I had the same problem with a 512 meg ram laptop that was using shared ram for video I reduced the shared ram down to 16 meg for the install only then after it was finished I brought it back up to 64 meg Another system that used no shared ram for video failed to install in vesa mode and I had to bring it up to 768 meg ram just for the install then drop back down to 512 after install The min requirements for F13 is 1.2.2. Processor and memory requirements for x86_64 architectures * Minimum RAM for text-mode: 256 MiB * Minimum RAM for graphical: 384 MiB * Recommended RAM for graphical: 512 MiB It runs on 512meg ram but install requires more for some reason If you ave more ram then put it in and try again Sorry about that I meant to say I brought the video mem up to 64 meg for the install the dropped it down later to run F13. Again my apology -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Creating an Audio only DVD from several CD's
JD wrote: On 08/11/2010 12:50 PM, li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:36:30AM -0700, JD wrote: On 08/11/2010 05:34 AM, li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 05:28:51PM -0700, JD wrote: On 08/10/2010 05:15 PM, Michael Miles wrote: li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote: Maybe a solution to this would be to put the wav files on a Video-DVD and leave the video directory empty. This would however only give you a sample rate of 48000 Hz instead of up to 192000 Hz as specified for a DVD-A. But then at least you could play the DVD on most any DVD-player. I am going to try that tomorrow. This is about the only way I could get this to work. It's a shame but the big problem is the Media companies. Mp3, aac, ogg, any of the lossy formats are ok with them but lossless, mo way they make it hard. No real support for probably one of the better music formats DVD-A. The work around is DVD-Video with out the video. Use in a 4 hour long play and it gets a few cd there (5-6) Kdenlive works So, how do I create a DVD-Video without the Video, but with only Audio? KdEnlive can do that? Guess I need to read up and the how to! Hello, Well, my steps to make a Video-DVD containing mainly audio are as follows: $ffmpeg -loop_input -t 2000 -i display.jpg -i 1.wav -r 44100 -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 1.mpg $ffmpeg -loop_input -t 2000 -i display.jpg -i 2.wav -r 44100 -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 2.mpg $dvdauthor -o testdvd -x dvd.xml $cat dvd.xml dvdauthor vmgm / titleset titles pgc vob file=1.mpg / vob file=2.mpg / /pgc /titles /titleset /dvdauthor EOF $growisofs -Z /dev/sr0 -dvd-video testdvd/ The resulting DVD+RW (as I said before, I am having strange problems creating DVD+R but no problems with DVD+RW) plays on vlc as well as on my Denon DVD-player. Leaving out the video encoding doesn't seem to work, so I gave a photo as a loop input into ffmpeg. However, it seems as if by the point all the audio has been encoded, in ffmpeg's display the frame number keeps rising, but the size of the resulting mpg file does not increase anymore. I need to press q to stop ffmpeg encoding, and then I need to give it a shell interrupt because it does not react anymore. Surely there must be an option which I have missed on the command line of ffmpeg to tell it to stop loop_encoding the photo when the end of the audio is reached. I might have to ask this on the ffmpeg mailing list. Regards, Gabriel Thank you Gabriel. I have seen similar behavior to ffmpeg in ffplay - it just will not stop after the audio has been played. Guess the program writer(s) were not looking for EOF? :) :) Well, you have to put the -shortest option to ffmpeg, then it works fine. I asked on the ffmpeg list. Although I still have the impression that the video is slightly longer than the original soundtrack, there is something added to the end of the file where there is no sound anymore, but still video. Does that not have to do with what wodim or cdrecord or dvdrecord do in order to pad the audio track to be a multiple of 2352 bytes? The silence could be that padding. Somebody else on that list suggested: what if you knew the trt of your wav - which you must know , ie: it is 5 min long , -t 5 ffmpeg -loop_input -i display.jpg -t 00:05:00:00 -i 1.wav -r 44100 -target pal-dvd -aspect 4:3 1.mpg I haven't tried that yet. If you just want to have audio on the dvd, I think you cannot leave out video, but maybe you can just add a blank screen as video. Tell me about your results. I am waiting for your reply to my question re: the xml file content. How many image file entries do I have to have when I have 36 total tracks distributed unevenly in 4 dirs under the dir dvd.out? Gabriel I have some success with burning a data dvd with wav files. Most players will see the wav files and play them. That way you are not limited to time ( length of time on dvd ) and only limited to size. You can get quite a bit on a dvd. Try it with your deck. I have no problem with mine but it will play mp3 audio so it is able to pick up files. So give that a try and make a Data DVD with wav files. Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Processor Scalability and Linux
JD wrote: On 08/10/2010 06:13 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: JD wrote: To do that, you need a library interface or sysctl command line that would affine the process and it's threads to to a set of cpu's (I am not certain if there is granularity here as far as selecting a subset of cores from a cpu). JD and Michael, Take a look at taskset: taskset is used to set or retrieve the CPU affinity of a running process given its PID or to launch a new COMMAND with a given CPU affinity. CPU affinity is a scheduler property that bonds a process to a given set of CPUs on the system. The Linux scheduler will honor the given CPU affinity and the process will not run on any other CPUs. Regards, Matthew Roth InterMedia Marketing Solutions Software Engineer and Systems Developer Thank you Matt! I am glad Linux has kept up with this area which is becoming more and more important as cpu's multiply their cores. Perhaps there will be a refinement that will allow the setting of core affinity as well. AMD released the 8-core cpu in 2009 http://www.google.com/url?sa=tsource=webcd=1ved=0CB4QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guru3d.com%2Fnews%2Famd-unleashes-hydra-8-core-cpu-in-2009%2Fei=DnhhTKCRCZH0swPX4K3NCAusg=AFQjCNEatbZxHgmbm1a300qyI-TP6Giupw 16 core cpu's are on the horizon, if not already in production. So I hope the affinity code will be refined to allow selecting a set of cores as well. Thanks Matt Interesting I will be checking Taskset out today Thank you again Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Processor Scalability and Linux
JD wrote: On 08/10/2010 06:13 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: JD wrote: To do that, you need a library interface or sysctl command line that would affine the process and it's threads to to a set of cpu's (I am not certain if there is granularity here as far as selecting a subset of cores from a cpu). JD and Michael, Take a look at taskset: taskset is used to set or retrieve the CPU affinity of a running process given its PID or to launch a new COMMAND with a given CPU affinity. CPU affinity is a scheduler property that bonds a process to a given set of CPUs on the system. The Linux scheduler will honor the given CPU affinity and the process will not run on any other CPUs. Regards, Matthew Roth InterMedia Marketing Solutions Software Engineer and Systems Developer Thank you Matt! I am glad Linux has kept up with this area which is becoming more and more important as cpu's multiply their cores. Perhaps there will be a refinement that will allow the setting of core affinity as well. AMD released the 8-core cpu in 2009 http://www.google.com/url?sa=tsource=webcd=1ved=0CB4QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guru3d.com%2Fnews%2Famd-unleashes-hydra-8-core-cpu-in-2009%2Fei=DnhhTKCRCZH0swPX4K3NCAusg=AFQjCNEatbZxHgmbm1a300qyI-TP6Giupw 16 core cpu's are on the horizon, if not already in production. So I hope the affinity code will be refined to allow selecting a set of cores as well. Oh my God, That's just too easy Thanks again Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Creating an Audio only DVD from several CD's
li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote: Maybe a solution to this would be to put the wav files on a Video-DVD and leave the video directory empty. This would however only give you a sample rate of 48000 Hz instead of up to 192000 Hz as specified for a DVD-A. But then at least you could play the DVD on most any DVD-player. I am going to try that tomorrow. This is about the only way I could get this to work. It's a shame but the big problem is the Media companies. Mp3, aac, ogg, any of the lossy formats are ok with them but lossless, mo way they make it hard. No real support for probably one of the better music formats DVD-A. The work around is DVD-Video with out the video. Use in a 4 hour long play and it gets a few cd there (5-6) Kdenlive works -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Processor Scalability and Linux
Kwan Lowe wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Michael Milesmmami...@gmail.com wrote: Well, 3D animation is my thing and has been since the Amiga platform. The power to render many minutes of animation and still have functional machine to do the rest of my daily activity. I use a virtual machine running windows 7 for my animation software and if I want to convert a HD movie at the same time as I do everything else it shows a definite slow down. I run a 4-node rendering cluster ( dual quad-cores on each, or 32 cores total and 16G RAM each node). They're headless and just have minimal local disks. All nodes write via bonded 2 x 1Gb Ethernet to a fileserver, but network is usually not the bottleneck. When in use, CPUs are pegged for hours at a time. Modeling is done on a quad-core Windows 7 system with some relatively high-end ATI cards, but gets final render in the cluster. HD conversion is a minor step since the renders are done at final resolution. My point is that it may be more effective to separate your rendering hardware. I.e., you can buy a low-end desktop with decent video cards that will run your software natively *and* a separate, headless compute node that does all the heavy lifting rather than try to bulk up a desktop. The desktop will generally have crappy disk i/o, crappy memory limits (8G is average), crappy network (wireless or GBit), and your CPU will be busy drawing a pretty desktop than actually rendering frames. -- I have noticed a bit of a confusing issue. Lightwave running under Win 7 as a virtual machine under Fedora 12 runs faster than a native Win 7 machine. Strange but true. It easily shaves off 2 - 3 minutes / frame as a virtual machine. Anyway thanks for the comments. Question is there a way to have all my cores assigned to one task? I can easily dedicate the cores to a virtual machine but in a native Fedora environment I was wondering if I can get all cores to work on one task. And one other question. What software are you using for your render cluster? Way back in the Amiga days I was using Renderman as a rendering farm and the Screamernet for the Video Toaster. I have been doing some experimentation with Blender and it looks very good but I'm still looking at Lightwave 9 as the best. It is only ported for Windows though making it a pain as I would like very much to use a native linux enviroment. It also seems that Lightwave butterfly netrender for linux is here http://www.weez.com/2010/08/linux-lightwave-render-farm-getting-bnr-butterfly-netrender-to-work-in-debian-possibly-others/ We shall see -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: Thunderbird 3.1.1 crashes alot, especially when it's idle?
Frank Murphy wrote: On 09/08/10 21:58, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Anyone experiencing TB crashes, if so, is it often? So far today, it crashed at least 8 times over a couple of hours... FWIW, Dan No, just on exit at times, which I ignore, as noting is lost. Not crashing but really buggy...Have switched over to SeaMonkey and a lot of Thunderbird problems have disappeared. I find SeaMonkey to be faster and functionality much better. The one that really bugged me with TB is deleting a message then the actual header would not show in the field. When I delete it the message at the bottom of my list would be deleted. Not the one I was trying to delete. I totally gave up on it. SeaMonkey is very good and problems like these are gone -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Processor Scalability and Linux
JD wrote: On 08/09/2010 01:37 PM, Michael Miles wrote: Kwan Lowe wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Michael Milesmmami...@gmail.comwrote: Well, 3D animation is my thing and has been since the Amiga platform. The power to render many minutes of animation and still have functional machine to do the rest of my daily activity. I use a virtual machine running windows 7 for my animation software and if I want to convert a HD movie at the same time as I do everything else it shows a definite slow down. I run a 4-node rendering cluster ( dual quad-cores on each, or 32 cores total and 16G RAM each node). They're headless and just have minimal local disks. All nodes write via bonded 2 x 1Gb Ethernet to a fileserver, but network is usually not the bottleneck. When in use, CPUs are pegged for hours at a time. Modeling is done on a quad-core Windows 7 system with some relatively high-end ATI cards, but gets final render in the cluster. HD conversion is a minor step since the renders are done at final resolution. My point is that it may be more effective to separate your rendering hardware. I.e., you can buy a low-end desktop with decent video cards that will run your software natively *and* a separate, headless compute node that does all the heavy lifting rather than try to bulk up a desktop. The desktop will generally have crappy disk i/o, crappy memory limits (8G is average), crappy network (wireless or GBit), and your CPU will be busy drawing a pretty desktop than actually rendering frames. -- I have noticed a bit of a confusing issue. Lightwave running under Win 7 as a virtual machine under Fedora 12 runs faster than a native Win 7 machine. Strange but true. It easily shaves off 2 - 3 minutes / frame as a virtual machine. Anyway thanks for the comments. Question is there a way to have all my cores assigned to one task? I can easily dedicate the cores to a virtual machine but in a native Fedora environment I was wondering if I can get all cores to work on one task. And one other question. What software are you using for your render cluster? Way back in the Amiga days I was using Renderman as a rendering farm and the Screamernet for the Video Toaster. I have been doing some experimentation with Blender and it looks very good but I'm still looking at Lightwave 9 as the best. It is only ported for Windows though making it a pain as I would like very much to use a native linux enviroment. It also seems that Lightwave butterfly netrender for linux is here http://www.weez.com/2010/08/linux-lightwave-render-farm-getting-bnr-butterfly-netrender-to-work-in-debian-possibly-others/ We shall see You can - but indirectly. if the process is multithreaded and you want all the cores working on those threads, then when you start up the process: sudo nice -n -10 ProcessPathName will very likely force all threads get on-core before other threads. Danger: There are some system processes that MIGHT get preempted by such a low priority. Se you need to research to see at what priority (nice level) are all the system tasks running. That does work but yes, the system had a bird as soon as I pressed enter If I wanted to say use 3 out of 4 on a single process and use the 4th free core for the system how would I go about that? Thank you by the way!!! Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Processor Scalability and Linux
john wendel wrote: On 08/08/2010 08:12 AM, Joshua C. wrote: Hi, I’ve been planning on buying a new machine but I’m not that sure what to take. We’ve been seeing test and reviews on the internet between amd and linux. I can say that when it comes to pure (single) core apps then intel might have the lead. When it comes to scalability then amd is on the move. You can check some recent reviews between i5–750/760 and 1055t/1090t for this. I DO NOT want to start a one–is–better discussion here. We know that in the windows world most of the apps aren’t optimized for multicore processers. I think the windows OS isn’t optimized either. Therefore the discussion goes down to “what are you going to do with it? If you work with video (photoshop) then amd, else – maybe intel”. However I want to ask how well linux scales on multicore processors. I know that maybe more that 90% of all internet servers are running with some version of linux. But this doesn’t mean that linux scales better than windows, because maybe the costs are at play here – Free (as in Freedom) vs. $$. Most of the linux apps are compiled with GCC 4.xx. Therefore it goes down to how well GCC is optimized for a multicore processor. My machine also must satisfy some other criteria: 1.) future–proof (that’s why an amd 6–core ???) 2.) must be environmental friendly (less watts) (that’s why an intel) 3.) good linux support (I’ll put intel here because I think their overall support is better than amd. Remember the SB850 and how fast amd responded? What about ati?) Therefore I’m asking if a 6–core amd makes more sense in linux than in windows? How well does linux scales? --Joshua PS. I’ll be happy to see some links with some results to support your answers. Fastest computer in the world is built from AMD processors and runs Linux on 250,000 processors. I think you'll be OK. I seem to recall that Cray (or the old SGI) did the work to let Linux scale to ~100 cores (it may be used some day). As for which OS makes more sense, you don't use an OS, you use an application program. If Linux doesn't run your application and Windows does, I think you know the answer. Remember that whatever you buy will be obsolete in a year (or two). Unless you have an unlimited budget, you can't stay on the leading edge. That 6-core AMD you're lusting for today will be replaced by the 16-core Bulldozer (or whatever) next year. And of course, the bastards will change the CPU socket so you can't upgrade without buying a new motherboard (and probably new DDR-x memory). http://blogs.computerworld.com/15111/linux_powers_the_fastest_computers_on_the_planet Regards, John I myself was going to replace my Phenom 2 965 with the 1090T as it was a simple chip replacement but I decided to wait for the Bulldozer series. The 1090T is a big improvement but in reality it is only a Phenom 2 with 2 more cores added. The bulldozer seems like it is going to open some major doors as far as scalability and just the idea of having 16 cores Hyper threaded to 32 threads is very appealing to me. Yes, the board will need replacing and ram too but I think it will be worth the wait. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Processor Scalability and Linux
JD wrote: On 08/08/2010 10:21 AM, Michael Miles wrote: I myself was going to replace my Phenom 2 965 with the 1090T as it was a simple chip replacement but I decided to wait for the Bulldozer series. The 1090T is a big improvement but in reality it is only a Phenom 2 with 2 more cores added. The bulldozer seems like it is going to open some major doors as far as scalability and just the idea of having 16 cores Hyper threaded to 32 threads is very appealing to me. Yes, the board will need replacing and ram too but I think it will be worth the wait. So what will you do with all that processing power? Well, 3D animation is my thing and has been since the Amiga platform. The power to render many minutes of animation and still have functional machine to do the rest of my daily activity. I use a virtual machine running windows 7 for my animation software and if I want to convert a HD movie at the same time as I do everything else it shows a definite slow down. I remember that very same question with a 1 megabyte ram came out...what would you do with all that ram. Same thing with cores. What would you do with all that power. The short answer is there will never be enough power to a machine as as soon as it is developed we see a need for more and more. Bloody computer junkies eh Never satisfied ( Ya baby) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Video editing
On 08/05/2010 01:39 PM, Alessandro Boggiano wrote: Hello all, I received as a give a video camera Toshiba SX500. It uses as file format mp4 and I'd like to start with video editing. Which is the better software ? I know nothing about it!!! ;) Thanks! Alessandro For editing video Kdenlive is a great choice. For doing mp4 video conversion and MKV conversion then Handbrake is the one For encoding dvd and files to xvid OGMRip is a good place to start Good luck Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new Nvidia
On 07/29/2010 12:42 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:14:23 -0500, Christofer wrote: What, exactly, is your goal in complaining here that RPM Fusion doesn't have the latest kmods? What, exactly, are you trying to accomplish? If it's simply to complain, then please stop. If the goal is to motivate RPM Fusion to release an appropriate kmod, this is the wrong list for it. If you're having a general issue with installing rpms, feel free to post all you like. If you're wanting to whine about RPM Fusion, please whine on their list, not this one. Unsure whom you refer to with you here. Please don't mix the several Michaels in this thread. ;) *I* haven't complained about any kmods. I've just pointed out that I understand why the RPM Fusion web page mentions public/popular Fedora discussion places intead of trying to duplicate them all for only RPMFusion-specific topics. There may be questions that will be left unanswered when asking them in Fedora places, but nothing is wrong with that. Sometimes a problem is not understood, because it is unknown or not reproducible, and nobody has the time to try to understand a confusing/complex question. Complaining endlessly/stubbornly are symptoms not specific to RPM Fusion users, btw. In the same way, Fedora users also post about application-specific issues in Fedora discussion places. And only if something appears to be too specific to an app, somebody will suggest looking for app-specific support places and trying your luck there. It's ok as my question was answered. I don't complain about it I was just asking a question and everyone had every answer of why I should not ask this question on a Fedora board. So it's as simple as this. Chow -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Still no kmod for new Nvidia
Hello I have been using Fedora 12 and I like the nvidia driver as it makes my card work like it should. My question is the last update for Nvidia driver195.36.31-2 seems to have no kmod for 2.6.32.16_141. The kmod is there but they list as 2.6.32.16_141-1 and the same as the kmod for 2.6.32.14_127 also ends with -1 The driver 195.36.31-2 is a update to the 195.36.31-1 but the kmods have not been updated. Will these kmods works ok if I manually install them but they are not being identified because of the different endings driver has a -2, the kmods end with -1 still. Also I have sent this to RPM Fusion with no luck with any answer as by the looks of things all the questions on the mailing list there ( about 20 for a month) have all come from this list. I just want to know if it is safe to even go ahead with this new driver as it is an and is mislabelled. That's why Fedora update is not picking it up. I know there is no support here, but I hope someone knows the answer to the question above Thank you Michael Fedora 12 x86_64 Nvidia 9400GT -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new Nvidia
On 07/28/2010 12:32 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Michael Milesmmami...@gmail.com said: Also I have sent this to RPM Fusion with no luck with any answer That isn't a good reason to post off-topic messages to this list. And before too much is said why does RPM Fusion have right on their main page to contact The Fedora users group for help on RPM Fusions software. Bold as brass. I swear all the keystrokes delivered about not being able to answer any of RPM Fusion problems could have easily filled a notebook and then some without actually solving anything. Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new Nvidia
On 07/28/2010 01:20 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/28/2010 04:18 PM, Michael Miles wrote: On 07/28/2010 12:32 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Michael Milesmmami...@gmail.com said: Also I have sent this to RPM Fusion with no luck with any answer That isn't a good reason to post off-topic messages to this list. And before too much is said why does RPM Fusion have right on their main page to contact The Fedora users group for help on RPM Fusions software. Bold as brass. I swear all the keystrokes delivered about not being able to answer any of RPM Fusion problems could have easily filled a notebook and then some without actually solving anything. It's a legal issue. Fedora cannot respond to queries about software that cannot legally be shipped with Fedora. It's to protect the Fedora community from litigation by patent holders. - -- Stephen Gallagher RHCE 804006346421761 Delivering value year after year. Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors. http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxQkSIACgkQeiVVYja6o6NA/QCfY5RA7jCgwencNvZvw49gXNWq gwgAoJccPZ+MiLX00/I6InkseLEtnUF3 =LeN6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Then RPM Fusion should not be telling people to go to this mailing list for help as that is exactly what they are doing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new Nvidia
On 07/28/2010 03:03 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: --- On Wed, 7/28/10, Chris Adamscmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: From: Chris Adamscmad...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: Still no kmod for new Nvidia To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 2:49 PM Once upon a time, Michael Miles mmami...@gmail.com said: And before too much is said why does RPM Fusion have right on their main page to contact The Fedora users group for help on RPM Fusions software. If Microsoft put on their web site to post here for questions, would that make it valid? Problems with RPM Fusion should be taken up with RPM Fusion. If they don't respond, then maybe you shouldn't use RPM Fusion. -- Chris Adamscmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- If Microsoft puts such a statement, then if we ask here about something We are in deep trouble, Need to call a Firefighter to put out the FLAMES :) I agree with you Chris :), but sadly since the base system is Fedora even with nvidia drivers[from rpmfusion] people will continue to ask about it. If Fedora folks, would not tell people, hey use rpmfusion, it incorporates nicely with Fedora packages, then it would make a difference? Hey you want nvdia drivers, get them yourselves from nvidia, build them, install them, if your machine burns, rots, or dies you are on your own and Fedora won't take responsibility for your actions then the situation might be different? Some folks quietly use nvidia drives straight from nvidia and they don't complain, they know what they are doing, others use akmod, or kmod, others have to wait till the nvidia kernel module builds? but to each their own. Regards, Antonio NOTE: I am happily using nouveau on Fedora 12 [oliva...@localhost ~]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.32.10-90.fc12.i686.PAE #1 SMP Tue Mar 23 10:04:28 UTC 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [r...@localhost ~]# lsmod | grep 'nouveau' nouveau 292645 2 ttm40321 1 nouveau drm_kms_helper 22251 1 nouveau drm 135451 4 nouveau,ttm,drm_kms_helper i2c_algo_bit4073 1 nouveau i2c_core And yes, I am on older kernel than the one that you have, but I would like to run 2.6.34 here and am lazy to compile it :( I wish that nouveau would support cuda then this mess would be obsolete. As it is nouveau and any real support for Nvidia is not there. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new Nvidia
On 07/28/2010 03:18 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 15:10:22 -0700, Michael Milesmmami...@gmail.com wrote: I wish that nouveau would support cuda then this mess would be obsolete. As it is nouveau and any real support for Nvidia is not there. Opencl is more likely. I don't think there is a free cuda compiler. http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_1_downloads.html If I knew how what a blessing that would be.. Have a good day dude.. Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??
On 07/23/2010 03:20 PM, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Marko Vojinovicvvma...@gmail.com wrote: Really, in order to provide equivalent functionality of a typical Windows desktop, Fedora requires more than one hoop to jump through. A novice user is maybe better off installing Omega instead, if he doesn't want to bother with this stuff. You know, this thread is pointless. It's Parshwa saying I don't know anything! over and over, g making things scarier than they are, and folks like Marko here basically implying Fedora's a big PITA. None of this is true. Parshwa's not stupid. He learned Windows in the first place, he can learn Fedora just by bucking down and using it. And Fedora's less of a PITA than Windows. I can't believe I've run into a Fedora FUD thread on the Fedora users list. I'm completely floored. You all have fun with it. I have to differ. The best thing that ever happened to my computer was Fedora. It's double the speed of Windows 7, no registry is a big plus, no defrag, no virus. What more can you ask for. So it's not as pretty, so what. The security alone And after all, where did windows come from..Linux Sure there is problems, such is life. Not having Micropuke look at everything I do is a big plus Windows 7 ultimate is 250 dollars That sucks, you pay money to be watched Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird/Lightning won't send meeting invites any more
On 07/22/2010 08:50 PM, g wrote: Julian C. Dunn wrote: Somewhere along the way, Thunderbird's calendar has stopped being able to send meeting invites to people anymore. The Notify attendees checkbox is greyed out on new appointments. Any idea how I might go about fixing/diagnosing this problem? because you are using; Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100621 Fedora/3.0.5-1.fc13 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0.5 i would suggest you join mozilla support list for calendar at; https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-calendar in future, if you have problems related to any mozilla software, mozilla's support list are found at; https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo not that there are not there are no knowledgeable calendar users on this list. it is just that your problems is more related to calendar than it is a fedora problem. hth. You know this kind of answer is not cool. It's just pathetic that one simple question could not even be considered because it's not a fedora problem Same with nvidia and ati drivers. People that are on those lists are not Fedora mainstay and getting help from them gets the response Well it's not our problem , it's a Fedora problem. I am really sorry nut the days of user groups and unlimited help on any subject are gone. So a person in this case would have sign up on Mozilla and hope to get help on this extremely buggy software when the answer is more likely to be given by a Fedora user. In the case of Nvidia it's very important gor the REAL DRIVERS to be installed as Nouveau just simply does not work 100% I remember the C64 user groups and Amiga user groups we the best. No problem answering questions based on Windows or Dos. If it runs on Fedora then its a Fedora issue especially with Kernel updates and kmods, I'm sorry bud but help was requested by a fellow user of one of the best OS's there is Fedora!!! It would be nice if we could answer problems instead of getting the answer being, SOL because it's not a Fedora issue. This user group is excellent except with help on 3rd party software. That's my two cents I have been having a lot of buggy problems with Thunderbird myself..the worse one is files blanking out subject lines and having to delete the same file several times. Double emails and list goes on. I use it because Evolution is even worse. Hope you get your problem solved -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new nvidia
On 07/20/2010 09:44 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Michael Miles mmami...@gmail.com mailto:mmami...@gmail.com wrote: I am finding it hard to deal with as RPMFusion and Fedora are two seperate thing but when it blocks a update then yes I do think it is a Fedora issue. That's just it, Michael. While I understand your frustration, this isn't a Fedora issue any more than, say, Adobe lagging on releasing a version of Photoshop for Windows 7. That's an Adobe issue, not a Microsoft issue. The same holds true here, as well. There is lag in releasing a new kmod (and always will be). This is an RPM Fusion issue, not a Fedora issue. RPM Fusion is just as much a 3rd party vendor to Fedora as Adobe is to Microsoft. Nothing RPM Fusion does or doesn't do is ever a Fedora issue. -- Chris Tis frustrating though -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Still no kmod for new nvidia
Hello there I have been waiting to see if a kmod comes available and there seems to be the wrong one published by RPMfusion. The release is kmod 2.6.32.16-141 for 195-36.31-1 The driver is 195-36.31-2 I am not sure if it miss labelled or just not the right kmod This does not show up in update but when I search nvidia it's there. Any input -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new nvidia
On 07/19/2010 04:41 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 09:53:51 -0700, Michael Milesmmami...@gmail.com wrote: I have been waiting to see if a kmod comes available and there seems to be the wrong one published by RPMfusion. Fedora doesn't produce the kmod. You really should be asking about this on the RPMfusion mailiing lists. This is true, but to the extent that some people can't use the recent kernel until a working video driver is available, it is a Fedora issue. Updates which have security implications really shouldn't have to run in R/L 3 as text only. I don't need 3D accelerated anythings to run a few simple xterms and load monitoring, but not having X at all is an upgrade stopper. I'm running radeon, but more than a few systems which ran well on FC9 need to use VESA modes or even a laptop a VNC. The support for ATI and Nvidia hardware only a few years old is spotty at best. Good suggestion, though, he won't get any help here. I am finding it hard to deal with as RPMFusion and Fedora are two seperate thing but when it blocks a update then yes I do think it is a Fedora issue. Anyway I have waiting to do The problem is that there is a kmod but instead of 195.36.31-2 the label for the new kmod 195.36.31-1 This is confusing as the driver does not end with -1 but a -2 Thanks for agreeing anyway -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new nvidia
On 07/19/2010 05:27 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/20/2010 05:53 AM, Michael Miles wrote: I am finding it hard to deal with as RPMFusion and Fedora are two seperate thing but when it blocks a update then yes I do think it is a Fedora issue. Among the mainstream distributions, Fedora is unique in that, it doesn't have a official non-free repository or repo for patent encumbered code. Although RPM Fusion is as close as it gets, it should be noted that RPM Fusion is a third party repository with a different infrastructure. Fedora simply does not care about proprietary kernel modules or any third party kernel module for that matter. If Fedora does, the kernel maintainers, add it as a patch rather than leave it as a kernel module package. This means, if you run a third party repo, support for it within Fedora is limited. Rahul It's really too bad because if you want your Video card to work 100% you need the nvidia drivers. Oh well, considering the two main Video companies is Nvidia and Ati it would be good to have a Fedora based driver that works 100%. I am not knocking Nouveau but it still has a way to go before it can be called a driver replacement. Thanks again for the answer back Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Still no kmod for new nvidia
On 07/19/2010 05:51 PM, David wrote: On 7/19/2010 7:41 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 09:53:51 -0700, Michael Milesmmami...@gmail.com wrote: I have been waiting to see if a kmod comes available and there seems to be the wrong one published by RPMfusion. Fedora doesn't produce the kmod. You really should be asking about this on the RPMfusion mailiing lists. This is true, but to the extent that some people can't use the recent kernel until a working video driver is available, it is a Fedora issue. Updates which have security implications really shouldn't have to run in R/L 3 as text only. I don't need 3D accelerated anythings to run a few simple xterms and load monitoring, but not having X at all is an upgrade stopper. I'm running radeon, but more than a few systems which ran well on FC9 need to use VESA modes or even a laptop a VNC. The support for ATI and Nvidia hardware only a few years old is spotty at best. Good suggestion, though, he won't get any help here. Obviously the previous kernel worked correct? Why not use that one? I am using the previous kernel. I just like to keep up and it is a update I would like to know why the kmod is for a driver that does not exist. 195.36.31-2 is the driver and the kmod for this driver and new kernel 195.36.31-1 which ends with the wrong number Even the kmod for the previous kernel is mismatched and ends with -1 instead of -2 Michael -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: os that rather uses the gpu?
On 07/17/2010 01:12 PM, Darr wrote: On Thursday, 15 July, 2010 @23:21 zulu, Robert Myers scribed: You left out the Department of Energy, which is a much bigger player than the DoD. Well, it sure would be nice if the DoE spent some of our tax dollars making applications like the Clean Energy phase 2 task, being run by IBM's World Community Grid project (http://worldcommunitygrid.org/research/cep2/overview.do ) and Harvard, that would use the GPU[s] from nVidia and ATI. WCG uses Berkeley's BOINC framework that I mentioned in my reply to the OP (whose author has not posted again, btw). However, the applications that run in BOINC must be written especially to make use of the GPU[s], and not all do (in fact, none of the applications/tasks currently running at WCG can use the GPU, and most that do under BOINC are windows-only). I have recently switched from Windows to Linux and I have run Boinc on both platforms with s...@home. With the same machine the cpu Windows was estimated at 7800 million ops/second integer and 2500 million ops/second floating point while the gpu was rated at 45 gflops When I switched to Linux the first thing I noticed was the interger ops/ second was 17546 and floating point came up a bit to 2800 million ops/ second. Quite a speed difference and it shows with amount of work done per day. The gpu came up as well to 54 gflops while it was running at the same speed as windows So doing things on Linux blows Windows away for speed on cpu and gpu. I recently downloaded the svn 3437 version of Handbrake and noticing a huge increase of speed. I then looked at the gpu temps to see they were going up by 10 degrees C while I was rendering a film with Handbrake. I have looked for documentation with the idea that Handbrake was using the gpu with no info found at all. Very strange that the temps go up while I run Handbrake. It is like it is using gpu as when I shut it down the temps return to normal. When I start a gpu task with s...@home the temps go up just like that but usually by 15 or 20 degrees There is nothing in the prefs for Handbrake svn saying it will use gpu. Very strange -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Slow graphics after last kernel update (I think)
On 07/16/2010 08:54 AM, mikael.lars...@bredband.net wrote: Hello fedora list. I updated my IBM Thinkpad R51 running fedora 12 a couple of days ago. Now lots of applications that used to work runs very slow and CPU throttle seems to be at max almost all the time. Gnome-system-monitor takes up to 5 minutes to start, it used to start in seconds. Supertux runs at about 3 frames/second, used to run a lot faster. Scrolling content in firefox is very slow and CPU throttle hits max instantly and stays there for a long time. Flash from youtube in firefox runs at 2 frames/second, used to run at about 20 frames/second. The compiz animation stuff still works at same speed. The automatic bug reporting tool gave me this the other day while the system was logged in but no apps were running on the desktop. --- WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_fence.c:159 radeon_fence_signaled+0x56/0x83 [radeon]() Hardware name: 1829DRG Querying an unemited fence : ebb30d40 ! Modules linked in: arc4 ecb lib80211_crypt_wep fuse sunrpc cpufreq_ondemand acpi_cpufreq ip6t_REJECT nf_conntrack_ipv6 ip6table_filter ip6_tables ipv6 dm_multipath uinput snd_intel8x0 snd_intel8x0m snd_ac97_codec ac97_bus ppdev snd_seq snd_seq_device parport_pc snd_pcm snd_timer thinkpad_acpi parport ipw2100 e1000 nsc_ircc snd libipw iTCO_wdt irda iTCO_vendor_support crc_ccitt soundcore rfkill lib80211 snd_page_alloc i2c_i801 joydev firewire_ohci video firewire_core yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic crc_itu_t output radeon ttm drm_kms_helper drm i2c_algo_bit i2c_core [last unloaded:microcode] Pid: 1442, comm: Xorg Not tainted 2.6.32.16-141.fc12.i686 #1 --- Booting on the previous 2.6.32.14-127.fc12.i686 kernel seems to solve all these problems. Does anyone knew what's going on here ? Regards Mikael Larsson Was there a ATI driver update as well? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
