Re: FC15/16 NetworkManager drops network connection
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Symersky, Henry henry.symer...@rosalindfranklin.edu wrote: Can someone please explain to me how to configure the NetworkManager in order to KEEP ETEHERNET CONNECTTION EVEN AFTER LOGGING OUT ?? Thanks. Usually in the past (well for me always in the past once NM was fully operational) you can go to edit connections in NM, and make sure that the particular connection has its check box checked for making that connection system-wide. Then the connection is active as soon as the system boots irrespective of whether any user is logged in. So for the default wired connection you can do this, as well as for any wireless connection also. Unless things have changed very recently this has always worked just fine (at least for several years anyway) -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: importing photos from Galaxy Nexus Android phone?
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak m...@avtechpulse.com wrote: On 03/12/2012 01:22 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Hi all, Has anyone found a successful, reliable recipe for importing photos from a Galaxy Nexus Android phone? Never mind. I've figured out that the Galaxy Nexus does in fact have a PTP mode, which just works with gThumb. The default MTP mode seems to be totally broken under linux. For other Galaxy Nexus users: after plugging in the USB cable, swoosh the USB notification at the top of the screen. That will let you switch to PTP mode. Obscure UI... I don't bother with usb connection at all - I installed AndFTP from the market (or now from google play) and then turned on the wireless connection from the phone into my local LAN, and used sftp from the AndFTP application to push files to a machine on the wireless network. Works very reliably and fast for me. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: display
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Patrick Dupre patrick.du...@york.ac.uk wrote: I can the following: cvt 1600 1200 return # 1600x1200 59.87 Hz (CVT 1.92M3) hsync: 74.54 kHz; pclk: 161.00 MHz Modeline 1600x1200_60.00 161.00 1600 1712 1880 2160 1200 1203 1207 1245 -hsync +vsync How can I make the mode 1600x1200_60.00 be detected automatically? Fedora 14 has been EOL for quite a while - update to a version that is supported. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: YouTube, HTML5, and Chromium. Why the sudden malfunction?
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: google-chrome 19.0.1061.1 is out - both html5 and pepper flash work fine. Of course not yet in the stable branch but available for dev branch. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F16 update pushes - it is currently broken?
Does anyone know if there is a problem being addressed to remedy no updates appearing in the repos since March 1st for F16? Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 update pushes - it is currently broken?
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have installed several updates since March 1. -- That is rather amazing considering I could not see a single f16 x86_64 update rpm on the server dated after March 1st! Perhaps you were updating something from rpmfusion or a non-Fedora repo? Google-chrome is about the only one that I have had since the 1st -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 update pushes - it is currently broken?
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Alchemist raimi...@gmail.com wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F16 Very good - updates starting to flow again from today -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: lvm
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Peter Larsen plar...@famlarsen.homelinux.com wrote: Patric, fdisk (you have to start using -cul instead of -l) reports what-ever the partition table contains. It's utterly ignorant to what's on the actual partition. So simply login with fdisk, do a t and change the partition type to what-ever you want. Be aware that linux ignores those types - they have absolutely no impact on how your system works. I guess that creating a partition type using a disk partitioning tool like gparted or fdisk is different, and independent, to the filesystem that is subsequently generated inside the partition! This is a piece of knowledge, or lack of, that leads to quit a lot of confusion! So you can make a dos partition but then put a filesystem in it that is ext4 or LVM for example.I wonder if there is a good simple tutorial around that explains disk partitioning and filesystems? Anyone know? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Alternative to a Pogoplug
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: On 02/28/2012 03:04 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:52:23 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: Any recommendations? newegg.com has a bookshelf computers category I was glancing at the other day. Perhaps one of them would be good? Pricey. The cheapest is $85 and it seems to be just the system with no memory. I MIGHT have memory here from a system that smoked, but I can't tell... I don't know where you have been looking for prices but in one of the UK supplier's web pages it is offered as the model B with memory for £21.60 which is way less than the $85 that you quoted! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications do not close with new kernel
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 02/19/2012 11:27 PM, mike cloaked wrote: If you got rid of the top panel initially did you install the notification area back into the bottom panel? Of course. I have the notification area, log out, workspace switcher and so on, all on one panel. OK I have several machines running f16 xfce some x86 and some x86_64 and none have the issue that you are seeing. I have the latest kernel and all is working fine for me. So I was just wondering what is different about your machine compared to the ones I have. My systems were all clean installs and I configured the desktops from scratch and did not inherit previous user areas. In each case the user areas were created new after the install but the user files such a Documents, Pictures and Music plus some of the configs such as .thunderbird, .config/google-chrome and so on were copied back from backup. I imagine there is something in your configs that has become different or corrupted to the ones I have that has led to the situation you find for application shutdown. It might be worth checking or cleaning out files in ~/.cache/sessions or ~/.cache/xfce4 in case something has got messed up there. Similarly if something has got messed up in ~/.config ? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications do not close with new kernel
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 02/20/2012 01:00 AM, mike cloaked wrote: OK I have several machines running f16 xfce some x86 and some x86_64 and none have the issue that you are seeing. I think you're a tad confused. I'm not the one having trouble getting applications to close, and the OP isn't running XFCE. Ah! OK yes it seems I was confused! However running KDE I don't have the problem either! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications do not close with new kernel
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:01 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 02/20/2012 01:00 AM, mike cloaked wrote: OK I have several machines running f16 xfce some x86 and some x86_64 and none have the issue that you are seeing. I think you're a tad confused. I'm not the one having trouble getting applications to close, and the OP isn't running XFCE. Ah! OK yes it seems I was confused! However running KDE I don't have the problem either! I guess since I don't use Gnome now I am not of much use here - and the OP is running Gnome -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Applications do not close with new kernel
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 02/19/2012 09:24 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: I remember when I did the initial install of Xfce, there was a second panel on the bottom of the screen with a couple items including a magnifying glass. I deleted that panel as quickly as I could as it blocked screen real estate. I got rid of the top panel for the same reason. If you got rid of the top panel initially did you install the notification area back into the bottom panel? i.e. go to Applications Menu-Settings-Panel and navigate to the Items - the Notification Area can be added using the + at the right. I don't know if this is key to application shutdown but it is worth having anyway since the network icon sits in that which is quite useful! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Proper F16 Java setup ??? (Firefox Additional Plugins Required)
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:51 AM, edik landave elwa...@gmail.com wrote: #replace the java version name for the one you have downloaded #This have worked for me: 1. Download jre-6u27-linux-i586.bin from the SUN site. 2. su--pwd--mv jre-6u27-linux-i586.bin to /usr/local 3. chmod u+x jre-6u27-linux-i586.bin 4. verify permissions: ls -l 5. ./jre-6u27-linux-i586.bin 6. Do you agree? Yes.--Done 7. It's installed under: /usr/local/jre1.6.0_27 8. cd ../lib/firefox/plugins/ 9. ln -s /usr/local/jre1.6.0_27/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so . 10.Edit Preferences. Under Advanced category Select Enable Java Might be better to use Oracle jre 7 rather than Sun jre 6 as the latter is about to be obsoleted. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: libreoffice paper size magic.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:35:49 -0500 fred smith wrote: Hmm that's odd. I didn't have to do either of those things. Just looked and both the printer default and document default paper are US Letter. I don't recall having to do anything particularly weird to make it happen, though it's probably been a couple months (and I'm not as young as I used to be...). Weird. It has been stuck on A4 for me since back when it was openoffice (though a few years ago you could go into Printer Setup..., set the paper size, and it would stick, but that setting stopped sticking a long time ago). One thought - what if you reset your locale setting? Here if I make the locale UK then printers default to A4 - so I presume that if you have a US locale then it would be set to Letter. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Question on shredding a terebyte drive
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 09:23 +1000, Roger wrote: I've found over time that formatting with ext3 tends to remove most hidden partitions I don't see how it can do that. Formatting creates a file system within a partition. If you want to do something to a partition, you need to use a function that works outside of the partition. You could format what's stored in the hidden partition, but that partition would still be there, unless you did something *else*. Is it not possible to use secure erase direct to the drive firmware using HD parm? This is also available from some isos such as PartedMagic once booted independently of the drive to be erased. Some machines may need to the drive to be re-hotplugged to gain access to the settings for secure erase but I have done it with drives over some years now (though not terabyte ones) - this method usually gives the fastest way to completely erase the drive and make it factory fresh afterwards presuming it is not actually damaged! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Samsung printer won't print
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: On 01/14/2012 11:29 AM, mike cloaked wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Tim Waughtwa...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 10:33 +, mike cloaked wrote: However nowadays I simply install the splix package and the system recognises the printer and it works without any fuss or bother. Oh, do you use the Fedora splix package, or rpmfusion? If the Fedora one, it would be useful to add the Device ID of your printer model to it so that the printer can be automatically configured when attached. splix-2.0.1-0.3.2021svn.fc16.x86_64 Mine does auto configure - it is the Samsung scx4500W - and both the print and scan works without issue in f16 - originally there was the scx4500 in the defs, but not the 4500w, but the innerds are the same for the printing part, and adding the id to the config made it work in f14 - but now the wireless model is already in there in the past year or so. It is possible that although the OP has a printer that is not in the splix support list that adding in the id at the appropriate part of the config would allow it to work with the existing files? It would need to be tested of course! Mike where is this Splix Config file ? I have Splix installed. The configs were before I used splix and can look up my old notes on the issue. However if you have a previously defined printer before you installed the splix package the way I would proceed is to delete the printer definition completely with the printer disconnected. Then connect the printer and set it up anew, and define the driver as the splix driver when you go through the setup. If it works you are ready to roll. If it can't find the printer and won't get it set up then it is worth checking the configs. I will dig out my notes later if you say that this fails to work. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Samsung printer won't print
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: The configs were before I used splix and can look up my old notes on the issue. However if you have a previously defined printer before you installed the splix package the way I would proceed is to delete I will dig out my notes later if you say that this fails to work. I originally placed some notes at http://userbase.kde.org/Troubleshooting/Samsung_scx-4500W My own private notes file has: Setting up the Printer The following was set up for F12. I downloaded the driver set and untarred them. The drivers are available from Samsung's web page. However I did not install their script(s). Instead I pulled the following two files out of their Unified Driver file (Note that a different directory is needed for x86_64): I added the file rastertosamsungspl (from cdroot/Linux/i386/at_root/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungspl) to /usr/lib/cups/filter/ and scx4500w.ppd (from cdroot/Linux/noarch/at_opt/share/ppd/) was needed also. You need to cd to /usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-db-ppds and make directory samsung, then gzip -c /path-to-my-scx4500w/scx4500w.ppd samsung/scx4500w.ppd.gz That was all that seemed to be needed. Anyway I plugged in the usb line to the main machine here, and turned on the printer whilst tailing the messages file. On startup it immediately recognised the printer and the messages file showed that the device had been found correctly, and culminated in: Jul 20 20:37:32 home1 kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp Jul 20 20:38:00 home1 hal_lpadmin: Added printer SCX-4500W-Series A window popped up saying the printer had been added and offered me to check the settings - all that I changed was the paper size from the US Letter to our A4 size and then I ran a test page - which looked perfect. Then I printed a system status page from the printer itself which was fine, and then did a test print from the main machine - all seems well. I then checked that the printer was visible to other machines on the LAN and it worked nicely. To put it on the local network give it a sensible ip address rather than the default 192. address that it comes with. Next to get printing via the network instead of via USB. In the main machine go to System - Administration - Printing - New Printer Select Network Printer and the drop-down HP JetDirect (even though it isn't). Use the known printer IP in the host dialog and leave the default Port 9100. Click Forward. Select ppd file (as in the sections above) and navigate to it - set the remaining parameters required. Change paper to A4. Then I sent a test page - and printed a mail item - which seemed fine apart from the page size being a touch too small for the writing at the top and bottom. That can no doubt be tweaked as necessary later. Then any other machine on the network can either use the printer via cups or set it as an independent route via the network as above. Since the wired cable had been removed this test print went via the wireless network to the scx-4500w. If the printer is wired to your local router via ethernet then the print goes via the wired router - you can't do wireless and wired at the same time with this printer. Your printer may be different in behaviour. When I was advised that the opensource splix package was likely to support my printer I simply deleted the printer definition once splix was installed, and started the printer setup from the popup when it was plugged in again. (I can't remember if I restarted cups as well just to be sure that all was cleaned up first) I hope this helps. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Patrick Dupre patrick.du...@york.ac.uk wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012, Rick Sewill wrote: On Saturday, January 14, 2012 07:47:05 PM Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, After upgrade from fedora 14 to fedora 16 on a Inspiron 9400, I lost the sound! If you are now using pulse audio, and don't have pavucontrol installed, please install pavucontrol. Please use pavucontrol to check if the volume is muted. Every think is OK. Except that there is no sound!! One thing that is worth doing is to open a terminal window and type alsamixer -c0 Then make sure that all the relevant settings are not muted such as pcm and master. Then press esc to return to your normal terminal window prompt. Also make sure that you have pavucontrol and run it to check the settings are also up and not muted. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Samsung printer won't print
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 10:33 +, mike cloaked wrote: However nowadays I simply install the splix package and the system recognises the printer and it works without any fuss or bother. Oh, do you use the Fedora splix package, or rpmfusion? If the Fedora one, it would be useful to add the Device ID of your printer model to it so that the printer can be automatically configured when attached. splix-2.0.1-0.3.2021svn.fc16.x86_64 Mine does auto configure - it is the Samsung scx4500W - and both the print and scan works without issue in f16 - originally there was the scx4500 in the defs, but not the 4500w, but the innerds are the same for the printing part, and adding the id to the config made it work in f14 - but now the wireless model is already in there in the past year or so. It is possible that although the OP has a printer that is not in the splix support list that adding in the id at the appropriate part of the config would allow it to work with the existing files? It would need to be tested of course! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Samsung printer won't print
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Fedora 16-i386 Can't get Samsung printer to print, Error Log Messages below. Samsung CLX3170. How did you install the printer? With many Samsung printers now the splix package will provide suitable opensource drivers that work. I notice that one of your lines was: Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc In my system when I used the proprietary samsung files I had rastertosamsungspl without the c on the end! When I was using the proprietary files the only file from the samsung provided package was that particular file that I installed into the ppd directory and then the printer worked fine. However nowadays I simply install the splix package and the system recognises the printer and it works without any fuss or bother. You could check the splix site to see if the CLX3170 printer is supported. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Samsung printer won't print
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 17:18 -0500, Jim wrote: E [12/Jan/2012:17:08:55 -0500] PID 15290 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc) crashed on signal 11. Samsung's CUPS filter crashed. You need to let them know about it so they can fix it. Tim. */ One thing worth checking that has caught me out in the past is whether you have the right architecture samsung files installed - I had a machine that was running with i686 with my Samsung printer - then I installed x86_64 f16 and forgot to change the Samsung printer stuff over to x86_64 also - the two files named rastertosamsungspl are named the same for both architectures! Just one thing worth looking at in case it was that simple! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F16 - a good experience
I know that recently some folk have posted of bad experiences with f16 - however I am running f16 on 6 machines (4 laptops and 2 desktops) with 4 x86_64 and 2 i686 - and all are now stable, and running with a responsive and crisp xfce desktop. I can do everything that I need to do, and one of the machines is a server and has performed flawlessly since its install about a month ago. Yes it does need some love and attention to get things configured and set up working as desired (and some lookups and learning) - but I am really pretty happy overall with f16 now - so this is general thank you to all developers and testers in getting f16 to a good working state - of course there are some residual bugs which need squashing (Name any system has zero bugs after all!). Have a great New Year all. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 - a good experience - except Zenbook trackpad + couple of other things
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: +1 from me too but has anyone got a solution to the Zenbook trackpad hassles? (I am using XFCE) out and also: What particular issues are you having with the trackpad - I don't have that particular machine but I have startup commands to set touchpad parameters using 1) Edits to the 50-synaptics file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/*conf along the lines of: Section InputClass Identifier touchpad catchall MatchIsTouchpad on MatchDevicePath /dev/input/event* Option TapButton1 1 Option TapButton2 2 Option TapButton3 3 EndSection This allows the touchpad to work even at the login greeter. and 2) In the start menu I have separate items such as synclient TapButton1=1 synclient VertEdgeScroll=1 and also to disable touchpad clicks whilst typing but keep touchpad dragging unaffected I have another line like: syndaemon -t -k -i 1 -d This ensures the touchpad functions I want still work in my xfce desktop. Something similar may help you if these kinds of function are needed on your system? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Fedora User fedora...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:04:00 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: I generally don't do install from DVD because there will always be the first yum update after the install, to kill a bit of time. I use the Actually, you can enable the update repo with the dvd install. The installation will then proceed from the media where possible and yum when necessary. Thus the newly installed Fedora is already updated. Well, now that you mention it, I think that's the default these days. It's been so long since I installed from DVD, I'd forgotten. However, on a 1M ADSL connection, downloading the netinstall saves a lot of download time. That'll be important for people whose ISPs are bandwidth-capped, too. These considerations work for a one-off install - however if you possess 6 or 8 or 10 machines all of which will be moved to the newer system then downloading all the packages each time on each machine no longer makes sense - what I have done in the past a number of times is to download and install on the first machine - and then set up mock-pungi to build a new DVD install iso using all fully updated packages - that way the next machine upgrade is external-network independent for a clean install using the up to date DVD install iso, and once the install is complete you already have a near fully up to date system with only a few packages to update from the repos. If I then do further installs more than a few weeks after the rebuilt iso file then I will build again to create more up to date spin. yes it does mean a learning curve to know how to do a re-spin build. But once that is set up then re-running it is simplicity itself. So all in all the approach that optimises the system upgrades does depend on how many machines are involved - having a fully up to date DVD iso for clean installs is valuable when upgrading say half a dozen systems - doing them all as yum upgrades will not only involve time but also multiple sets of file downloads - if you have a fast and unlimited broadband connection perhaps you don't care how much data you download - nut not everyone is in that lucky position! Using this approach can save time overall across the collection of machines needing to be upgraded. Just another consideration to add to the way people plan these things. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Clean Installs are Remarkable
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 12/22/2011 02:31 AM, mike cloaked wrote: the almost inevitable problems that have come from the upgrade of an older system. And I've been doing upgrades for years and this is the first time I've ever had the slightest bit of trouble. What almost inevitable problems are you referring to It depends on what changes in a variety of packages in the new system have been made and how well the upgrade has gone. Of course there is more than one way to do so - yum upgrade or preupgrade route. I have done yum upgrades on a system where there was difficult direct access and it was easier to upgrade than try to gain access to clean install. However I have found selinux context issues and at other times dependency issues with yum upgrades - even with fn to fn+1. I have to admit I have only done yum upgrades and not used pre-upgrade mainly due to the difficulties I have seen reported on the list. I have also done a yum upgrade leading to a non-bootable system that I ended up clean installing as it was quicker than trying to diagnose what had gone wrong with the upgrade. Since the problems I had with that route I abandonned trying and stuck with clean installs - and not had any problems since - the last one I did was a progressive upgrade via yum from f11 to f14 changing by one version at a time - and resolving all the dep issues and selinux issues along the way - it took ages but on that system I did not have easy direct clean install access since I was connected remotely. It did work but I balked at moving to f15 - eventually that machine was taken out of service and I replaced its functions with a new machine. Of course others may largely have had no problems with ugrades and maybe I was just the one unlucky one! Anyway with all the QA testing on recent versions as well as the QA testing of the upgrade path perhaps my experience of it is simply outdated. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: abrtd - how to remove
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:07 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: When not using the retrace server, abrt usually just uploads the text backtrace, not the coredump. (I believe you can instruct it to do so, but it doesn't do so by default and I have never needed to.) When using the retrace server, abrt anonymously uploads the coredump to the retrace server, creates a text backtrace, and sends that back to your computer, whereupon you can submit the text backtrace to bugzilla or do whatever else you want to with it. In my experience, the coredump being uploaded is several orders of magnitude smaller than the debuginfo packages I'd need to download to perform a backtrace locally, so it still saves me time even though my download speed is 3x faster than my upload speed. One problem is that the OP is using F15 and I understand that the retrace server is only available on f16 - or am I wrong? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Problems with java applet
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Heinz Diehl h...@fritha.org wrote: Hi, after upgrading to F16, my online banking does no longer work. With F15, all was fine. My bank uses a java applet to log in, and that works. After logging in, I'm no longer able to do a singe transaction, because I have to confirm the action by entering a special code and my password via this java applet. The applet launches, but I'm not able to put in a single character at all, and have to give up. All the logfiles are blank, and downgrading jre-openjdk didn't work either. Does anybody know what's going on here? It's possible that the bank web site may only work with Oracle Java 1.7 (or Sun Java) but not openjdk - it may be worth installing it and get the browser to use the alternative java jre. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why is PackageKit needed for abrt?
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 12:36 -0800, Steven I Usdansky wrote: It appears that upgrading abrt in F16 from 2.0.6-1 to 2.0.7-2 is going to require installation of PackageKit, which I long ago purged from my system. Just wondering, why the additional requirement? ABRT will pull down debuginfo packages when you file a bug so the backtrace is usable. So it needs to have PackageKit around to handle acquiring those packages. Indeed so - however it is not unusual for abrt to require pulling in several hundred megabytes of debuginfo stuff in order to file a report - and I wonder if that might put a significant number of users off and abandon completing the report at that point, particularly if they have limited bandwidth available for downloads? This may already be inhibiting the provision of some fraction of important abrt entries? It would be interesting to hear other people's view on this aspect? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: abrtd - how to remove
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: I just had the lovely experience of abrt trying to be helpful - a GUI crash - and wanting to download 1.2 GB of debuginfo files including things it quite obviously (to a human) does not need. I think abrtd needs help with its decisions ... it appears way too naive in the debuginfo files it needs. That said - how do I remove it? I removed abrt-libs - is that sufficient? Or is there an abrtd daemon that somehow needs to be removed ... F15 thanks Actually I think that what is needed here is the retrace server - see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer However at the time when I was using this some time ago around the f15 rc stage there were problems and I don't know what the current status is for this facility? If anyone knows whether it is now up and running it would be really valuable. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: abrtd - how to remove
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:04 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: I just had the lovely experience of abrt trying to be helpful - a GUI crash - and wanting to download 1.2 GB of debuginfo files including things it quite obviously (to a human) does not need. I think abrtd needs help with its decisions ... it appears way too naive in the debuginfo files it needs. That said - how do I remove it? I removed abrt-libs - is that sufficient? Or is there an abrtd daemon that somehow needs to be removed ... F15 thanks Actually I think that what is needed here is the retrace server - see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer However at the time when I was using this some time ago around the f15 rc stage there were problems and I don't know what the current status is for this facility? If anyone knows whether it is now up and running it would be really valuable. In f16 it seems to be available as a package: yum info abrt-retrace-client -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: abrtd - how to remove
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:07 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:04 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: I just had the lovely experience of abrt trying to be helpful - a GUI crash - and wanting to download 1.2 GB of debuginfo files including things it quite obviously (to a human) does not need. I think abrtd needs help with its decisions ... it appears way too naive in the debuginfo files it needs. Actually I think that what is needed here is the retrace server - see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer However at the time when I was using this some time ago around the f15 rc stage there were problems and I don't know what the current status is for this facility? If anyone knows whether it is now up and running it would be really valuable. In f16 it seems to be available as a package: yum info abrt-retrace-client It seems that this facility is not available for f15 unfortunately so you need to be on f16 at least to have this package available in the normal repos. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f16 - gthumb
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: More **issues** with f16! Or is it GFnome3? :) gthumb They have crippled it. It seems. In full screen it is only showing thumbprints! It will not go up to real full screen (image filling as much of screen as possible). And GIFs are not animated. Slideshow is gone. Image editting is gone. And don't tell me to use the imageViewer supplied. It will not show the images say in date last modified, reverse order; only in name sort order. grrr. Well thunderbird is working (I am running 4 thunderbirds copies of it each to a different mail directory and logins; I don't like to run all in one, it messes up the folders. Or rather it gets too cluttered. I found that you can go into the gthumb preferences and fiddle with the settings to get normal behaviour back - but offhand I can't remember what I changed - however if you fiddle with the settings a but it can be made to work satisfactorily. Maybe there was a standard gthumb config file that was changed for f16? Mike -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Disappearing Characters
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 2:40 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:14 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: I read this after responding to Mike's response I think you are probably on to something with the X server and/or video driver/HW. It may be helpful to know if you and Mike have similar HW? I am seeing the same symptoms on different machines with different hardware both i386 and x86_64, and some desktops with nvidia graphics, also on netbook with onboard graphics - so for me this seems hardware independent After seeing the previous comment about a dictionary being the possible culprit for my issue - I removed mine (British English dictionary) and installed the US English dictionary instead - so far I have not had the problem recur! I will continue to test for some days to be sure - but if that was the problem it will be nice to not have to put up with it in the future - I can probably (just!) cope with American English. Having thought the problem was gone - I found several occasions this evening when I had the same line rendering fault as before but with the US English dictionary - so I guess that it was not due to the dictionary but something else! Shame! I hope that it can be resolved but I think I will try to capture a screenshot of the problem and push a bug report upstream to the Thunderbird developers probably in a day or two when I get a chance to capture some images -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: VNCViewer not starting anymore
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote: $ vncviewer TigerVNC Viewer for X version 1.1.0 - built Nov 22 2011 14:21:13 Copyright (C) 1999-2011 TigerVNC Team and many others (see README.txt) See http://www.tigervnc.org for information on TigerVNC. ^C Sun Dec 11 15:07:30 2011 main: CleanupSignalHandler called Nothing... I have been using vncviewer in f16 without any problems - the way I use it is to set up an ssh tunnel forwarding a local port at the client end to the usual 5900 port at the vnc-server end. So I run the ssh tunnel in one terminal window and then run the vncviewer command as below in a separate terminal window. The local client call is then using a different localhost port which gets forwarded to the tunnel using: vncviewer -passwd /path/to/password-file localhost:55900 Of course I have previously used vnc to generate the password file which is shared between the server and client machines. Here the local port if 55900 which gets forwarded to the normal 5900 port at the server end.. The server is set up to run vnc-server with the password file defined to match that of the client which calls in. This has worked without any problems at all in f16 (x86_64) -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Disappearing Characters
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:14 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: I read this after responding to Mike's response I think you are probably on to something with the X server and/or video driver/HW. It may be helpful to know if you and Mike have similar HW? I am seeing the same symptoms on different machines with different hardware both i386 and x86_64, and some desktops with nvidia graphics, also on netbook with onboard graphics - so for me this seems hardware independent After seeing the previous comment about a dictionary being the possible culprit for my issue - I removed mine (British English dictionary) and installed the US English dictionary instead - so far I have not had the problem recur! I will continue to test for some days to be sure - but if that was the problem it will be nice to not have to put up with it in the future - I can probably (just!) cope with American English. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Maintaining Users Passwords Through an Upgrade
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 12/10/2011 10:29 AM, johnc0...@verizon.net wrote: I maintain a server with a number of users, and just recently upgraded to Fedora 16 from Fedora 11. I did a clean install so all of the users now have to reset their passwords. The question I have is: what is the preferred method of managing user passwords so that their passwords will carry over to the new installation? Should I set up a NIS server on the machine? Would that maintain the passwords across the upgrades? You could - or you could use LDAP (preferred but more complicated) or the simplest is you could keep the user parts of /etc/password shadow group gshadow and edit them back into the fresh install files. I guess if there are only a few machines involved with the same small set of users then copying back the relevant sections of the files mentioned is relatively painless - but if the user base grows and there are many more machines it would become desirable to move to a central user auth system - like LDAP - in the past I have tried to look through the documentation with a view to implementing an LDAP scheme - such as 389 Directory Server - but I found that documentation was (for me) rather difficult to digest to a stage where I could easily get started - I wonder if anyone knows a good source of online advice to offer a starter guide to implementing 389? Would be really useful. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora 15 Alt panel
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Patrick Dupre patrick.du...@york.ac.uk wrote: Hello, Before (until fedora 15), it was easy to configure the panel: Just right click, add to panel. Does this function disappear? check the net, it looks like that I may have to use Alt and/ot Ctl? The right click does not seem to work. Is it because I did not configure the mouse correctly? It would appear that you have been away from the list for quite a considerable time whilst using a rather obsolete version of Fedora in the interim. In the past year or two there have been many many changes not only to the underlying infrastructure but also to the desktops - including the move from Gnome2 to Gnome3, and major developments in KDE and other desktops. I would really suggest that you look back through the list archives because these things have been discussed at considerable length already - and please look up the differences in the newer versions of the desktops compared to the old versions - what you are asking has not been possible in the new versions of gnome or kde for some time now. Adding items to the KDE panel is now done quite differently than when KDE was version 3. In Gnome there is no panel as such any more though it is possible to add your own items to the dash - but as I said you will find there is a lot of information if you spend some time reading the list archives - if after doing that you have residual questions then please do come back and ask how to achieve specific aims with the chosen desktop that you are using. These days Fedora also provides xfce and lxde desktops apart from Gnome3 (based on Gnome Shell) and KDE 4 which is currently at version 4.7.3 and about to move to 4.7.4. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Disappearing Characters
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 12/09/2011 12:16 PM, Craig White wrote: But, I do hope that all this doesn't result in a tangent to the original question. Although I use Thunderbird (8 and 9) I don't use Chinese chars - but I do have a rendering problem that is quite frustrating and I hope this is not hijacking your thread - When composing with html formatting - there are many times in the compose window that a line will blank out with often some red uneven lines along it - moving the cursor back up and removing a character and retyping it will often fix the rendering and everything is fine again - this has been happening for quite a long time with TB 8 and also 9 but I don't know if this is being worked on for a fix - anyone else seeing this or am I alone? It happens even if I change the font (all normal characters though and not Chinese) -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Disappearing Characters
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: I read this after responding to Mike's response I think you are probably on to something with the X server and/or video driver/HW. It may be helpful to know if you and Mike have similar HW? I am seeing the same symptoms on different machines with different hardware both i386 and x86_64, and some desktops with nvidia graphics, also on netbook with onboard graphics - so for me this seems hardware independent -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: fedora 13 to 14
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Patrick Dupre patrick.du...@york.ac.uk wrote: Hello, I update a fedora 13 to fedora 14 by using the DVD but then I lost the network!! Here are some of the failures: lspci 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:19:D1:9B:A8:24 inet6 addr: fe80::219:d1ff:fe9b:a824/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:6163 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:29 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:857865 (837.7 KiB) TX bytes:6750 (6.5 KiB) Interrupt:20 Memory:d030-d032 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:35 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:35 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:3292 (3.2 KiB) TX bytes:3292 (3.2 KiB) service NetworkManager restart Stopping NetworkManager daemon: [FAILED] Setting network parameters... [ OK ] Starting NetworkManager daemon: [ OK ] NetworkManager dead but pid file exists I also tried network: service network restart Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth0: Determining IP information for eth0... failed. [FAILED] How can I fix the issue? You are running an EOL system and want to now install a new system which will shortly be EOL as well. That is not the best way forward. You would be better off unstalling a system that will be supported for the next 6 months to a year - i.e. install f16 is better in my view - of course you are entitled to go whichever path you choose. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Linus is a kernel developer and not a UI developer. Thus, his opinion does not matter. Since Linus is not a UI developer, he is only an end user. Thus, the opinions of end users don't matter. I think his opinion matters as much as anyone else (and I gather that in the eyes of Gnome developers, not so much). You know my feelings as I too am a KDE 4 survivor ;-) To make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. I think there is a core of long time Linux users who were upset because their familiar interface changed. Such is progress. Change for the sake of being different is not progress, it's marketing. Changing the way things work to break the old tools so people will ue YOUR tools instead the 3rd party stuff is how MSFT got big, it is less appealing in open source, where ours is better and yours doesn't work any more sounds a lot like ego trip. The computer should work the way the users want it to work, not the other way around. And scrapping all your old computers because they don't have magic video cards for visual cruft is not in the cards. I have been watching this thread with interest - I went through the tinkering process with gnome3 and also with KDE - I abandonned gnome3 as it did not suit me - I tried KDE 4.0 when it first was released but did not like it at that time. Then I stuck with KDE3.7.3 at f16 release for a while - after a couple of weeks I started to feel that was not for me either and had some stability issues which remain as of my last test a couple of days ago - then I tried xfce - and very quickly found that it did everything I wanted from a DE, both speedily and efficiently as well as with stability. Yes I had to learn the tweaks, and which additional packages were needed to be installed to make the optimisations I wanted possible (for all three desktop environments) but in the end I had a choice which I was happy with. I have not tried lxde but I know others like that DE also. There are some things that are still buggy in all three but my own DE happiness just happened to come with xfce on the three machines that I am now running it on. I guess all the DEs available will evolve in time but at least we all have a choice and although each DE will vary in popularity every individual should find one of them to be mostly to their taste? I do think that long running arguments that are largely critical of one or other DE giving significant negative feedback to those who write the code don't provide the kind of feedback that would lead to developers being encouraged to become enthusiastic about moving forward, but positive requests for enhancement might have a better chance of finding a receptive ear - it would be interesting to hear the views of developers directly though. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 10:24 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: Change for the sake of being different is not progress, it's marketing. Changing the way things work to break the old tools so people will ue YOUR tools instead the 3rd party stuff is how MSFT got big, it is less appealing in open source, where ours is better and yours doesn't work any more sounds a lot like ego trip. The computer should work the way the users want it to work, not the other way around. And scrapping all your old computers because they don't have magic video cards for visual cruft is not in the cards. I have been watching this thread with interest - I went through the tinkering process with gnome3 and also with KDE - I abandonned gnome3 as it did not suit me - I tried KDE 4.0 when it first was released but did not like it at that time. Then I stuck with KDE3.7.3 at f16 release for a while - after a couple of weeks I started to feel that was not for me either and had some stability issues which remain as of my last test a couple of days ago - then I tried xfce - and very quickly found that it did everything I wanted from a DE, both speedily and efficiently as well as with stability. Yes I had to learn the tweaks, and which additional packages were needed to be installed to make the optimisations I wanted possible (for all three desktop environments) but in the end I had a choice which I was happy with. I have not tried lxde but I know others like that DE also. There are some things that are still buggy in all three but my own DE happiness just happened to come with xfce on the three machines that I am now running it on. I guess all the DEs available will evolve in time but at least we all have a choice and although each DE will vary in popularity every individual should find one of them to be mostly to their taste? I do think that long running arguments that are largely critical of one or other DE giving significant negative feedback to those who write the code don't provide the kind of feedback that would lead to developers being encouraged to become enthusiastic about moving forward, but positive requests for enhancement might have a better chance of finding a receptive ear - it would be interesting to hear the views of developers directly though. One comment that I could make about gnome3.2 in f16 which was a real clincher for me was that the alacarte package remains broken in f16 - which is needed to do simple edits to the menus yes I found alternatives to make new .desktop files for launching scripts that were not part of the available package sets so that my own launchers could be put into the dash (or dock extension), but that item was the final straw for me for gnome3 apart from some of the other things that I found worked better for me with the other two desktops I mentioned in my previous post. I know that is a negative comment - and indeed the bugzilla report that relates to the alacarte package remains (at least as of last night) unresolved. However it would still be better to pursue pushing for positive change through the bug reporting system since that is where the developers certainly will be much more likely to read input than here? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Partition Management
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:34 AM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 12/01/2011 09:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: why dual boot this days? windows XP on due to constraints at her work sounds not like playing 3d games and all other things are running fine in a virtual machine, most time faster than a physical winxp, without driver troubles and you can take the winxp to the next computer as any other data-file Yep - good point - I am running it in a VM (I use Oracle's virtualbox) works very well indeed - and it boots a lot faster - and you get all the advantages of a VM such as disk snapshots, easy ability to copy the entire VM and boot on different machine etc .. I'll second that - and in addition it is very easy indeed to make backups of the VM since they are simply files in the linux system - so even if the disk dies restoring from backup is simple, and needs no re-install of XPfrom scratch with its attendant followup preparation pain - and also if you install XP to a physical machine there is the inevitable pain of installing all the drivers from scratch, as well as running the incessant series of Windows update-boot-more Windows update-boot until you are really irritated with having to baby sit the whole process in order to click OK every 20 minutes before it will proceed - once you have the VM set up and up to date then keeping a backup or restoring Windows is really easy and a lot less painful than dual booting. I don't maintain any more Fedora/Windows dual boot machines once I got used to running XP in a VM (I guess you can do the same for Fedora with Windows 8 as well) -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Occasional panel freeze under Fedora-16
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: I wonder if anyone else has suffered from this? I'm running Fedora-16/KDE on my laptop. Occasionally - two or three times a day - I cannot get any response from my panel, eg clicking on the f-icon has no effect. If I am currently on a desktop, this isn't affected; I can list directories, edit a file, etc. I've used top to see what is going on, but I didn't see anything unusual there. The situation rights itself after about 30 seconds. I'm not sure if the problem is related to firefox. I have sometimes had the plasma-workspace freeze also - I am unsure what it is related to - but possibly to chrome in my case - but if I use the keyboard shortcuts to switch virtual desktops it sometimes clears - and also if I use ctrl-F2 to get to a different console, and then back to the graphical console it also sometimes clears but often if I then logout I get a plasma-workspace crash reporter coming up when I try to logout - occasionally I find that I have continued to work but then if I go to the Leave icon it freezes and won't logout or shutdown - tickling it with the keyboard shortcuts sometimes unfreezes it but then usually the KDE crash reporter comes up during the shutdown process so I don't know what the culprit is but I have no indications in the logs that anything is unusual! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer problem Samsung CLX-3170
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: On 11/23/2011 04:23 PM, mike cloaked wrote: /usr/lib/cups/filter/ a usr/lib/cups/filter/ has the rastertosamsungsplc and rastertosamsungspl in it and permissions are the same as other execute files. /usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-db-ppds/Samsung/ I put the CLX3170splc.ppd.gz (driver for my printer CLX3175FN) in that directory. And I still get the same error message in cups setup when I try to Print a Test page. Idle - /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc failed This may seem a silly question but after making changes to the files did you amend the printer setup/definition to make sure that it included the changes? What I do is to open a browser and go to localhost:631 and then click the Printers tab and select the printer you want to check or update the definition of - then select the Administration tab and go to Modify Printer and work through the screens ensure you really are selecting the driver that you think you are. Of course you may already be doing that in which case something else is the issue - also did you try to install the splix package from updates-testing? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer problem Samsung CLX-3170
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: This is weird Mike , if I open Firefox and type in 192.168.0.5, IP to printer it shows a Information page from there I can PRINT out reports of the printer from that page. But I can't print out anything like a txt doc or Print Test Page. I strongly feel that this problem has to be with Fedora 16 and the initial clean install. When I finished install I had to do a service cups start Because cups was not running . I guess I will have to do another clean install of Fedora 16. I will do that tomorrow , For now I have to go to my sisters house and help polish off the remaining Turkey from yesterdays dinner. The old service command has largely been obsoleted by systemd - and to check on the current status of cups you need: systemctl status cups.service You can start the service daemon with systemctl start cups.service or restart it with systemctl restart cups.service and you can ensure that it loads on boot with systemctl enable cups.service Check that the cups service under status is both loaded and active - Good luck with further diagnosis after the turkey! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer problem Samsung CLX-3170
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: ov 23 17:05:35 BigOne dbus[915]: [system] Activating service name='org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism' (using servicehelper) Nov 23 17:05:35 BigOne dbus-daemon[915]: dbus[915]: [system] Activating service name='org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism' (using servicehelper) Nov 23 17:05:35 BigOne dbus[915]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism' Nov 23 17:05:35 BigOne dbus-daemon[915]: dbus[915]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.opensuse.CupsPkHelper.Mechanism' Nov 23 17:05:36 BigOne kernel: [ 241.033635] rastertosamsung[1707] general protection ip:4e8ab700 sp:bfe0d7e4 error:0 in libc-2.14.90.so[4e771000+1a5000] Nov 23 17:05:36 BigOne abrtd: Directory 'ccpp-2011-11-23-17:05:36-1707' creation detected Nov 23 17:05:36 BigOne abrt[1716]: Saved core dump of pid 1707 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc) to /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-11-23-17:05:36-1707 (1323008 bytes) Nov 23 17:05:37 BigOne abrtd: Executable '/usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc' doesn't belong to any package Nov 23 17:05:37 BigOne abrtd: Corrupted or bad dump /var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2011-11-23-17:05:36-1707 (res:2), deleting I presume that this output is /var/log/messages? Could you say what you actually did to reach this point - did you use the method that I outlined or did you try to follow the Samsung instructions for installing the unified drivers? Once you did that, how did you install the printer - did it autodetect once you plugged it in? What facility did you use to define the printer within the system? It is hard to proceed just on the basis of the lines in the log if you can't remember the steps you took then you could remove the printer definition - and copy the two files into your system as I described in a previous posting. Once you have done that then do ls -lZ rastertosamsungsplc after cd to its directory - and the same for the ppd file so I can compare to my own. Then redefine the printer in the system and tell me how you did so - step by step I will try to see if you then did anything differently to me. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer problem Samsung CLX-3170
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:09 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: It is hard to proceed just on the basis of the lines in the log if you can't remember the steps you took then you could remove the printer definition - and copy the two files into your system as I described in a previous posting. Once you have done that then do ls -lZ rastertosamsungsplc after cd to its directory - and the same for the ppd file so I can compare to my own. Then redefine the printer in the system and tell me how you did so - step by step I will try to see if you then did anything differently to me. There is now a splix driver (open source) package in updates-testing - see https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-16292/splix-2.0.1-0.3.2021svn.fc16?_csrf_token=d374ee0b9d5a536f031f5b22a84d64c8dc89cae1 I have just installed it and set my printer to use it - and it works nicely for me - it is just possible that it may work for your printer too. worth a shot. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16 kde plasma crashes - occasional
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried updates-testing? There is an update that is supposed to help. I do use updates-testing - but which particular update are you referring to? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer problem Samsung CLX-3170
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: I can't tell from the messages output you posted if your machine is x86_64 or not but I had a very very similar issue with a Samsung scx4500w when I installed f16. It turned out that the copy of the file rastertosamsungspl was a 32 bit version and I had installed a 64 bit system - worth checking ? Also I notice that the name of your file is rastertosamsungsplc whereas it should be rastertosamsungspl i.e. you have an additional letter c at the end of the filename - if your file is really ending in a c then check whether you have the correct 32 or 64 bit file - if not then make sure that where you defined the file in the printer setup is correct - if not then redefine it with the correct filename. I have a 32 bit box, How do I determine wether the rastertosamungsplc is 32 or 64 bit? In usr/lib/cups/filter/ there is a rastertosamsungsplc and a rastertosamsungspl . This is the same driver that I used Fedora 14 and 15 . OK - the answer as to which of 32 or 64 bit is where you got the file from? Presumably it is from the unified driver set from Samsung - in which case that will have difference directories for the 32bit and 64 bit file sets - one thing you can do is go back there and check the total file size - the 32 and 64 bit raster files are different sizes - which does yours match? Secondly you did not answer the question about using the correct name for the file when you defined the printer in Fedora - unless you changed the name of the actual file then the fail message indicated that you had the wrong filename - if course if you define it and point to a non-existent file then it is bound to fail! Check that again and see if that is the source of the problem. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer problem Samsung CLX-3170
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: On 11/23/2011 09:34 AM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Jimbinary...@comcast.net wrote: I can't tell from the messages output you posted if your machine is x86_64 or not but I had a very very similar issue with a Samsung scx4500w when I installed f16. It turned out that the copy of the file rastertosamsungspl was a 32 bit version and I had installed a 64 bit system - worth checking ? Also I notice that the name of your file is rastertosamsungsplc whereas it should be rastertosamsungspl i.e. you have an additional letter c at the end of the filename - if your file is really ending in a c then check whether you have the correct 32 or 64 bit file - if not then make sure that where you defined the file in the printer setup is correct - if not then redefine it with the correct filename. I have a 32 bit box, How do I determine wether the rastertosamungsplc is 32 or 64 bit? In usr/lib/cups/filter/ there is a rastertosamsungsplc and a rastertosamsungspl . This is the same driver that I used Fedora 14 and 15 . OK - the answer as to which of 32 or 64 bit is where you got the file from? Presumably it is from the unified driver set from Samsung - in which case that will have difference directories for the 32bit and 64 bit file sets - one thing you can do is go back there and check the total file size - the 32 and 64 bit raster files are different sizes - which does yours match? Secondly you did not answer the question about using the correct name for the file when you defined the printer in Fedora - unless you changed the name of the actual file then the fail message indicated that you had the wrong filename - if course if you define it and point to a non-existent file then it is bound to fail! Check that again and see if that is the source of the problem. THe unifiedLinuxDriver is the one I,m using ,it is the SAME driver that I have installed on 32 bit boxes in Fedora 14 an 15 for this CLX3175FN printer and now a 32 bit box in Fedora 16. The only thing I put into the setup was: URL: lpd://192.168.000.005 (this is the IP in the Router for this printer, the same IP used on F14, F15) The rest was done in the setup. THanks Mike for your help on this problem. Can you try to print again - and send the error exactly as it appears please - -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer problem Samsung CLX-3170
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: On 11/23/2011 12:23 PM, Jim wrote: On 11/23/2011 09:34 AM, mike cloaked wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Jimbinary...@comcast.net wrote: I can't tell from the messages output you posted if your machine is x86_64 or not but I had a very very similar issue with a Samsung scx4500w when I installed f16. It turned out that the copy of the file rastertosamsungspl was a 32 bit version and I had installed a 64 bit system - worth checking ? Also I notice that the name of your file is rastertosamsungsplc whereas it should be rastertosamsungspl i.e. you have an additional letter c at the end of the filename - if your file is really ending in a c then check whether you have the correct 32 or 64 bit file - if not then make sure that where you defined the file in the printer setup is correct - if not then redefine it with the correct filename. I have a 32 bit box, How do I determine wether the rastertosamungsplc is 32 or 64 bit? In usr/lib/cups/filter/ there is a rastertosamsungsplc and a rastertosamsungspl . This is the same driver that I used Fedora 14 and 15 . OK - the answer as to which of 32 or 64 bit is where you got the file from? Presumably it is from the unified driver set from Samsung - in which case that will have difference directories for the 32bit and 64 bit file sets - one thing you can do is go back there and check the total file size - the 32 and 64 bit raster files are different sizes - which does yours match? Secondly you did not answer the question about using the correct name for the file when you defined the printer in Fedora - unless you changed the name of the actual file then the fail message indicated that you had the wrong filename - if course if you define it and point to a non-existent file then it is bound to fail! Check that again and see if that is the source of the problem. THe unifiedLinuxDriver is the one I,m using ,it is the SAME driver that I have installed on 32 bit boxes in Fedora 14 an 15 for this CLX3175FN printer and now a 32 bit box in Fedora 16. The only thing I put into the setup was: URL: lpd://192.168.000.005 (this is the IP in the Router for this printer, the same IP used on F14, F15) The rest was done in the setup. THanks Mike for your help on this problem. Mike I downloaded new Unified drivers from Samsung and installed and still get the same error message. The driver that is recommend during the install, and only driver available is Samsung CLX-3170 Series (SPL-C) Which I think explains the rastertosamsungsplc OK When I configured my own printer what I did (f14 originally and recently f16) was only two things: After extracting the raster file and ppd file from the Samsung unified driver package: a) copied the raster file to /usr/lib/cups/filter/ and made sure its permissions and selinux context matched the existing files in that directory. b) made a Samsung directory in /usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-db-ppds/Samsung/ c) used gzip to generate a gzipped file of the Samsung ppd file as scx4500w.ppd.gz and put it in the directory created at b) Then I plugged in the printer and defined a new printer under kde using the printer setup That was it - Originally I followed the Samsung unified driver install instructions and got into a mess! That might work for you too if your method was to install the whole unified driver set of files? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F16 kde plasma crashes - occasional
I have been running f16 x86_64 with kde 4.7.3 for a week or two on two different machines. Occasionally I have found that the screen saver kicks in but then fails to time out and so the screensaver runs continuously without powersaving the monitor after a period as normally happens. Occasionally I have had chrome not close down properly and leaves a tab in the panel labeled as chrome but not able to remove it except that moving to a different desktop with a keyboard switch sometimes mysteriously fixes it. So there appears to be some mysterious instability in kde 4.7.3 that I can't easily diagnose. There is nothing I can find in the logs to indicate a problem but it is a little irritating - I can't roll out kde on f16 to less experienced users until kde becomes really stable. These issues are happening several times per day for a machine that is in use (by me). Once a machine is left to its own devices with the screensaver running and once it has gone into monitor powersave it seems stable - but it doesn't always get to that stage, and these randomly timed instabilities are an annoyance. Anyone else had any similar issues? I have seen on a gentoo list that people are also seeing instability with 4.7.3 and are making comments that kde 4.8 looks much more stable! Does anyone know what is the status is of kde development with regard to Fedora and the rollout timescale for kde 4.8? Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Printer problem Samsung CLX-3170
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Fedora 16 Printer has been working fine in Fedora 14, 15. F16 doesn't like it. I'am not getting any Selinux errors. Printer state: Idle - /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertosamsungsplc failed I can't tell from the messages output you posted if your machine is x86_64 or not but I had a very very similar issue with a Samsung scx4500w when I installed f16. It turned out that the copy of the file rastertosamsungspl was a 32 bit version and I had installed a 64 bit system - worth checking ? Also I notice that the name of your file is rastertosamsungsplc whereas it should be rastertosamsungspl i.e. you have an additional letter c at the end of the filename - if your file is really ending in a c then check whether you have the correct 32 or 64 bit file - if not then make sure that where you defined the file in the printer setup is correct - if not then redefine it with the correct filename. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: bash update killed my shells
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 21:27 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:54:54 -0800, JR (Jonathan) wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-15725 Read through the comments. What *should* be in /etc/shells (by default)? Reading the comments gives many examples of bad /etc/shells but no example of a good one. Then you've read the comments not carefully enough. The /etc/shells file belongs to the setup package and is modified by shell packages when those are installed/erased. Therefore you may need to reinstall _any_ shell package on your system, such as bash, for it to modify /etc/shells again as a fix. Not quite correct. What I didn't read was $ man shells. For my system I believe it should be: $ cat /etc/shells /bin/sh /bin/bash /sbin/nologin /bin/dash and I have edited it to be so. Much easier than reinstalling all my shells, particularly since I'll need a shell to do it. Thanks to all - jon This happened after a recent update to bash - the simplest solution is to do as root: yum reinstall bash It only takes a second or two and then /etc/shells will be back to normal. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Characters have become unpleaseant in F16
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: Unplesant isn't much of a description :-). If you mean thin and spindly and hard to read, you might want to try this: cd /etc/fonts/conf.d/ ln -s ../conf.avail/10-autohint.conf . Thank you for that lovely hint - it has fixed an irritation I have had with Thunderbird for ages! It should be included in the list of common problems or at least in one of the lists of Fedora hints and tips somewhere... -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F16 KDE desktop effects - incomplete
I have two machines running f16 x86_64 fully up to date with a KDE desktop. One has the following graphics: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G86M [Quadro FX 360M] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Dell Device 01ff Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 Memory at f500 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at e000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Memory at f200 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M] I/O ports at df00 [size=128] [virtual] Expansion ROM at f400 [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: access denied Kernel driver in use: nouveau Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidiafb This machine runs KDE desktop effects beautifully - the cube for virtual desktops switches wonderfully and wobbly windows works as I would expect.. The other machine has the same system also x86_64 but its graphics is: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [Quadro FX 380] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: nVidia Corporation Device 063b Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 Memory at fc00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at d000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Memory at fa00 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M] I/O ports at dc80 [size=128] Expansion ROM at fde0 [disabled] [size=512K] Capabilities: access denied Kernel driver in use: nouveau Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidiafb In this machine under the same conditions if I try to switch on desktop effects in KDE then it gives a popup saying that a slew of desktop effects cannot be turned on - including the cube. Both machines are running the stock nouveau driver. Does anyone have a machine under the same conditions which does not allow desktop effects to work properly in f16 and if so is there a fix or workaround - or additional package needed - or a specific package from updates-testing that might help? Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16 KDE desktop effects - incomplete
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure the second machine is fully updated, and running the latest kernel? Try to do a yum update again, and reboot the machine, there were some recent (couple of days ago?) updates to some xorg packages... I had the same issue on two machines with intel graphics hardware. The stock F16 install came with the kernel and xorg packages which didn't work on either of my two machines. They *appeared* to work, the glxinfo | grep direct reported that direct rendering was enabled, the glxgears did work as expected --- but trying to enable the KDE4 dektop effects would fail miserably, just as you described. However, one of the recent updates involved a new kernel and some fresh xorg packages. After that everything became functional, and works beautifully. ;-) Thanks Marco - yes you were right - the machine was fully updated but I had not rebooted - after a reboot desktop effects in the second machine do work flawlessly now! Excellent work by the devel team - thank you I am really happy with my two machines running f16 now - and will install on a couple more in the next couple of weeks Great stuff. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16 - VSFTPd not allowing users to login
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Andy Blanchard zoc...@gmail.com wrote: Update: This is now fixed. The problem was that /bin/bash was not included in the file /etc/shells. Bug 754056 has been opened against the setup RPM, which provides /etc/shells, to correct this in the next release of the setup package. If you find that bash is missing from the list in /etc/shells then one way (at least in f16 x86_64 where I had a related issue) then doing as root: yum reinstall bash fixed /etc/shells for me. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16 / HTTPD will not start
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: It was working under F15, before the upgrade. Now, systemctl httpd.service start results in Shouldn't it be systemctl start httpd.service ? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:12 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:00:13 -0500 Fedora User wrote: The system does seem to boot faster but this is really arcane compared to sysV which seemed very straightforward. Arcane is the word. One big problem is the complete lack of anything like chkconfig --list for systemd services (it would be nice if chkconfig just figured out how to provide the info and included it). Unfortunately, chkconfig itself doesn't translate to systemd well. However, this thread got me thinking that there is a need for a chkconfig-like tool for systemd. So, I wrote one: http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ It uses systemd's DBus interface to provide an equivalent to chkconfig --list, and manages the symlinks in /etc/systemd/ much like chkconfig managed the symlinks in /etc/rc.d. It replicates some functionality that systemctl provides (in fact, it calls systemctl in those instances), but does several things systemctl does not. It does not implement the exact same syntax as chkconfig, for instance it replaces --level with --target. But, with its slight deviations, it provides most of the functionality of chkconfig in a way that fully maps to systemd. Hopefully some will find it helpful. Whilst we are on the subject can someone tell me what the systemd equivalent is for the command service iptables save ? Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SystemD - F-16
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 04:42 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Unfortunately, chkconfig itself doesn't translate to systemd well. However, this thread got me thinking that there is a need for a chkconfig-like tool for systemd. So, I wrote one: http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ Perhaps patches to systemctl to implement additional command line arguments would be more useful than teaching everyone to use two different tools. Yes - if systemctl is ultimately the only daemon control command then everything that is needed should be included, once all sysV stuff has gone from =f17? I would like to see something in systemctl to achieve what used to be done with service iptables save - as another poster already said one can manually do: iptables-save /etc/sysconfig/iptables Most daemon controls were done with either of service or chkconfig - would be nice to have it all within systemctl. So why not just have this from systemctl using something like systemctl save iptables.service ? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Using chrony in f16
Now that chrony is in place in f16 instead of ntp does anyone know of some documentation on configuring chrony? I have started the daemon and the time was correctly set up with default configs.. however for use in a laptop where the network may well not always be present should settings be changed from the defaults to optimise the setup? What is the chrony way of doing what used to be achieved with the following two commands: ntpq -p ntpstat Thanks for any hints -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Using chrony in f16
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: mike cloaked wrote: Now that chrony is in place in f16 instead of ntp does anyone know of some documentation on configuring chrony? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ChronyDefaultNTP man chrony man chronyc man chronyd man chrony.conf I have started the daemon and the time was correctly set up with default configs.. however for use in a laptop where the network may well not always be present should settings be changed from the defaults to optimise the setup? If you read the Fedora Feature page, you will see that the switch to chrony was for exactly your needs. No changes to the configuration are required. What is the chrony way of doing what used to be achieved with the following two commands: ntpq -p ntpstat The chronyc has many, many options. Try chronyc help to see a list. Fab - chronyc sourcestats was one nice equivalent - Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing Fedora 16 from USB
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Miguel Cardenas mfcarde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've download Fedora 16 to install in onto my new notebook that comes with no dvd drive... so I used liveusb to create a bootable USB with the ISO... It starts the installation but then it says it does not detect a DVD drive and it starts to install slowly via internet, so what is the case of generate the USB with the installation disk? Or what should I do so it installs from the USB? Thanks for your help It might be an idea to create a bootable usbkey with the netinst.iso file rather than the live usb iso, and also have the DVD iso on the usbkey as well, and then boot to netinst.iso and add a kernel line parameter of the form repo=hd:device:path-to-iso where the path-to-iso points at the DVD iso. Here device might be /dev/sda2 for the usb key or whatever is relevant to your machine and the path is relative to the root of the usbkey. I have not tried it with usbkeys for f16 but it is worth a shot - once the install is in progress make sure you don't miss the bootloader section and make sure that you carefully check or set that it will be written to the hard drive and not the usbkey.. you may need to switch the bios drive order when you get to that screen in the install process. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F16 KDE custom script launcher?
I am configuring a system running a clean install of F16 running the KDE desktop - everything works really nicely apart from one feature that I have been unable to use and maybe I am simply too stupid to be able to find the answer by googling. I have a script that I want to be executed using a custom icon on the panel - I can easily put a panel item in for any of the already installed items - but I have a script in my home directory that in the past I have been able to simply set up a panel item in gnome2 in the past or in xfce so that alongside icons to start a browser or a terminal shell I want to be able to run my private script with a pictorial icon of my choice is there a way or will this mean I have to move to another DE like xfce to be able to do it? Thanks for any help in getting me the knowledge on how to do it. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16 KDE custom script launcher?
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:15 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: I am configuring a system running a clean install of F16 running the KDE desktop - everything works really nicely apart from one feature that I have been unable to use and maybe I am simply too stupid to be able to find the answer by googling. I have a script that I want to be executed using a custom icon on the panel - I can easily put a panel item in for any of the already installed items - but I have a script in my home directory that in the past I have been able to simply set up a panel item in gnome2 in the past or in xfce so that alongside icons to start a browser or a terminal shell I want to be able to run my private script with a pictorial icon of my choice is there a way or will this mean I have to move to another DE like xfce to be able to do it? Thanks for any help in getting me the knowledge on how to do it. I finally found what I needed! It was in the folderview and right clicking to give New-Link to Application which can then be customised. Maybe I am just slow! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F16 KDE custom script launcher?
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:29 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:15 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: I am configuring a system running a clean install of F16 running the KDE desktop - everything works really nicely apart from one feature that I have been unable to use and maybe I am simply too stupid to be able to find the answer by googling. I have a script that I want to be executed using a custom icon on the panel - I can easily put a panel item in for any of the already installed items - but I have a script in my home directory that in the past I have been able to simply set up a panel item in gnome2 in the past or in xfce so that alongside icons to start a browser or a terminal shell I want to be able to run my private script with a pictorial icon of my choice is there a way or will this mean I have to move to another DE like xfce to be able to do it? Thanks for any help in getting me the knowledge on how to do it. I finally found what I needed! It was in the folderview and right clicking to give New-Link to Application which can then be customised. On further investigation there is a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749787 -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: /etc/init.d files under Fedora 16
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Boris Epstein borepst...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Last time I used Fedore was awhile ago. I decided to come back to it now, installed Fedora 16 and discovered the following: there are very few scripts under /etc/init.d And, also, I got my sshd installed but there is no /etc/init.d/sshd Why would that be? How do I configure my system deamons to start up when the machine is initializing? The majority of services are now controlled by systemd - look back in the lists for discussions about it - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: installation on a dell netbook
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Shiv Manas s...@linux.com wrote: 1. Create a Live USB Stick https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ 2. Boot from the above stick http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#How_to_Boot_a_Live_USB_Drive 2011/10/7 Martín Marqués martin.marq...@gmail.com I have to do an installetion on a Dell netbook which has no CD/DVD drive. I see no instruction on how to install Fedora on a netbook from a USB stick. Any links are welcome. You can also use livecd-iso-to-disk (from an existing Fedora machine) to write a DVD install iso to a usbkey - make sure it is bootable, and you can also add the --reset-mbr flag to the command to put the correct mbr on the stick - then when booting it on the netbook to do the install, you should make sure that the bootloader options are correctly putting grub onto the mbr for the correct drive - used to be the case it put it on the stick by default (since this is the drive it is running from) - just take care at that section that you select options correctly. Other than that it is just like a normal install from an optical drive with a DVD disk in it... If you use a livecd iso instead of the DVD iso then you get a lot less options during the install unless you configure the network and update from external repos. With the DVD iso you can largely install the majority of packages - I do this for my own netbook for the past couple of years without issues. As you say many (or most) netbooks do not have an internal optical drive though an external one can usually be connected. However they almost all will boot from a bootable usbkey. I hope this helps. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14, google-chrome won't launch after yum update
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:01 PM, jackson byers byers...@gmail.com wrote: mike cloaked responded: The last update to chrome in f14 gave avc denials and in order to get chrome to run after that it was necessary to run the following commands (as root) before chrome would run again: semanage fcontext -a -t textrel_shlib_t '/opt/google/chrome/chrome' restorecon -v '/opt/google/chrome/chrome' mike, what worked for me, as I have already posted, was the 2 commands (from Lancebaynes87): give this out with root: semanage fcontext -a -s system_u -t usr_t /opt/google/chrome/chrome-sandbox restorecon -v /opt/google/chrome/chrome-sandbox that semanage command is different from yours(mike cloaked). Furthermore, that is all I needed to be able to run chrome again, unlike your experience needing another pair of commands grep chrome-sandbox /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -M mypol semodule -i mypol.pp My SELinux chops are pretty weak, almost nonexistent. But I would be interested in your comments re the differences. OK - I was not aware of the solution you found at the time I applied my fix which came from the avc suggestions but yours is the better solution -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to get both T520 trackpoint and touchpad working in F15
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Alexander Volovics a.volo...@upcmail.nl wrote: I am trying to get both trackpoint and touchpad of the Lenovo T520 UltraNav working, preferably at the same time as under Windows 7. cat /proc/bus/input/devices shows: - SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad - TPPS/2 IBM Trackpoint After install of F15 the trackpoint works but not the touchpad. The scroll feature of the trackpoint (hold down middle button and move the stick) does not work. After installing 'gpointing-device-settings' the trackpoint can be configured so that scrolling with 'middle button stick does work. I can however find no way to get the touchpad working. This would make scrolling much easier. Can anybody tell me the magic incantation. I don't have your hardware but I do have a synaptics touchpad on my f16 system and get it to work by doing the following: adding these two lines to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf: Option TapButton1 1 Option RBCornerButton 3 (Line 1: left mouse tap / Line 2: right mouse tap in lower right corner) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics Also add Option RightEdge 5000 Option LeftEdge 1700 It is possible that this may get yours going also but you would have to try it and say if it works? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F14, google-chrome won't launch after yum update
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:40 PM, jackson byers byers...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel J Walsh replied This is definitely something in SELinux. The current upstream google chrome is a little strange from an SELinux point of view. Have you tried chromium? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chromium well, no. Advice on this llist over last year or so is that google-chrome is better. I can always fall back on firefox At least I know my problem is Selinux. And in this case evidently something that can't be fixed. I would think this will be viewed by many fedora users as a real black mark on Selinux. Unless google-chrome is at fault. The last update to chrome in f14 gave avc denials and in order to get chrome to run after that it was necessary to run the following commands (as root) before chrome would run again: semanage fcontext -a -t textrel_shlib_t '/opt/google/chrome/chrome' restorecon -v '/opt/google/chrome/chrome' Then when trying to run chrome after these two commands have been executed, there was another avc that then needed (as root): grep chrome-sandbox /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -M mypol semodule -i mypol.pp The last two could only be executed once you had tried to run chrome following the first two commands! You might find that doing that does allow chrome to run again in f14. However it should not really be necessary to have to run the first two commands if chrome had been written to work within normal selinux policy in f14 I understand however this should get you going again. Mike -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: Can someone explain this? If you look at this chart, calls to US and Canada are free. You are correct if you are connecting from the US/Canada - but if you connect from elsewhere there is a charge even for calls to the US/Canada - eg it is not free from the UK. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: RaLink 5370 USB Wifi Dongle
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Kevin J. Cummings cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote: On 09/18/2011 06:54 AM, mike cloaked wrote: Great that it works with the f15 kernel - if it is any help I had until recently been running an f15 kernel in another f14 laptop for quite a while with no problems (install all the f15 kernel related packages pulled as rpms from bodhi or koji eg kernel-PAE, kernel-PAE-devel, kernel-headers, perf ( and any other related rpms), in one yum [local]install possibly with --nogpgcheck if you have not got the f15 gpg keys in that machine) - then it should work. In fact for me it worked even better than the f14 kernel! Yeah, F15 has the newer scheduler, which I hear is *real* *nice*! I tried the following command line: yum install --releasever=15 --nogpgcheck kernel kmod-nvidia It installed the following RPMs for me: kernel-2.6.40.4-5.fc15.x86_64 linux-firmware-20110601-1.fc15.noarch kmod-nvidia-280.13-2.fc15.2.x86_64 module-init-tools-3.16-2.fc15.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.40.4-5.fc15.x86_64-280.13-2.fc15.2.x86_64 glibc-devel-2.14-5.x86_64 glibc-common-2.14-5.x86_64 glibc-2.14-5.i686 glibc-2.14-5.x86_64 glibc-headers-2.14-5.x86_64 But, when I try and boot, I get an error trying to load some firmware file in /lib/modules/2.6.40.4-5-fc15.x86_64/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/ The error message claims that CPU Type 15 is not supported And it continues, ad infinitum, until I power the machine off and reboot an F14 kernel. Did I miss something else I need to install? I usually install perf, kernel-headers, kernel-devel, which are not in your list - I will have to dig out my old notes and if I find anything else I will let you know. I don't know if the glibc stuff which is presumably fairly recent caused any clashes with older libraries in your f14 system but it is possible. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: RaLink 5370 USB Wifi Dongle
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Kevin J. Cummings cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote: On 09/17/2011 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: OK my dongle arrived in the post today - so this evening I thought I would try it out - after plugging it in, and firing up f16 it works out of the box - hooray! I don't have an earlier Fedora for that laptop to test f14 with the same wifi dongle. So my suspicions were indeed correct - the module that is loaded is rt2800usb - which supports the chipset I listed earlier that seems to be in my device. Since it would seem from the earlier posts that yours should work with the same kernel module then in principle there is a good chance it would work out of the box under f16. Thanks Mike! That's good to know for the future. However I don't know what the state of support in the earlier kernels was for this same chipset - even if it appears not to work in f14 there is a reasonable chance that it will if/when you upgrade to f16 unless someone running f16 has the same device that you have and can plug in and test it? I've got an F15 desktop here, I suppose I could try it in that (just to see if/how it gets recognized). F15 is running 2.6.40, which is (in effect) a 3.0 kernel. Yeup! Comes up running on F15 as wlan0 using the rt2800usb driver (et al, the rt2x00 driver as well). I was able to get it to connect to my home wireless. Now to just figure out why it won't on F14! Maybe I can run the F15 kernel on F14 I'm not looking forward to the F15 upgrade on my laptop given that I'm a gnome user I hope this helps even if it is indirect. It at least gives me hope for the future. Great that it works with the f15 kernel - if it is any help I had until recently been running an f15 kernel in another f14 laptop for quite a while with no problems (install all the f15 kernel related packages pulled as rpms from bodhi or koji eg kernel-PAE, kernel-PAE-devel, kernel-headers, perf ( and any other related rpms), in one yum [local]install possibly with --nogpgcheck if you have not got the f15 gpg keys in that machine) - then it should work. In fact for me it worked even better than the f14 kernel! Good luck Mike -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: RaLink 5370 USB Wifi Dongle
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Kevin J. Cummings cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote: On 09/16/2011 05:20 AM, mike cloaked wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Kevin J. Cummings cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote: The WiFi in my laptop gave up the ghost. Doesn't matter what card I put in the mini PCIe slot, the system doesn't think anything is there. So, I bought one of those new $7 Wifi dongles for the USB port. Surprisingly small! 802.11n capable as well! Here's the link to my dongle's product info: http://www.ralink.tw/download.php?t=U0wyRnpjMlYwY3k4eU1ERXhMekEzTHpFeEwzQnliMlIxWTNRMU5qTTVNekEyT1RjMUxuQmtaajA5UFZKVU5UTTNNRjl3Y205a2RXTjBYMkp5YVdWbUM%3D [snip] I have on order one of the small wifi adapters which I believe should work with the rt2870usb also - and I will be very interested to hear of any progress - the reason I ordered the new one was that I have a device that was working fine with the realtek rtl8712SU driver but I cannot compile the driver with the 3.1 kernel as there are compile errors - and I want to test a laptop that needs this running f16 pre beta - there is supposed to be a suitable driver in kmod staging for the latter but kmod staging for f16 is not yet available. So I thought I would try the rt2870 device and I will fiddle with it properly once it arrives in the coming days. I see you are using f14 - have you tried installing kmod-staging from rpmfusion to see if there is a driver there? No, I have not. How would I know if there is support for my dongle (or not)? I will post more once I get my device and tinker with it. OK my dongle arrived in the post today - so this evening I thought I would try it out - after plugging it in, and firing up f16 it works out of the box - hooray! I don't have an earlier Fedora for that laptop to test f14 with the same wifi dongle. So my suspicions were indeed correct - the module that is loaded is rt2800usb - which supports the chipset I listed earlier that seems to be in my device. Since it would seem from the earlier posts that yours should work with the same kernel module then in principle there is a good chance it would work out of the box under f16. However I don't know what the state of support in the earlier kernels was for this same chipset - even if it appears not to work in f14 there is a reasonable chance that it will if/when you upgrade to f16 unless someone running f16 has the same device that you have and can plug in and test it? I hope this helps even if it is indirect. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: RaLink 5370 USB Wifi Dongle
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Kevin J. Cummings cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote: The WiFi in my laptop gave up the ghost. Doesn't matter what card I put in the mini PCIe slot, the system doesn't think anything is there. So, I bought one of those new $7 Wifi dongles for the USB port. Surprisingly small! 802.11n capable as well! The problem? It appears in the lsusb list: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. But, nothing appears as a Wifi Device. One Wifi email list suggested that it would be supported by the rt2x00 driver, but modprobing that driver does not recognize the device. The RaLink site has 2 drivers that *should* support it: rt2870usb and rt2870sta. I found that RPMFusion packages version 2.4.0 of the rt2870 driver, but there is no entry for the 148f:5370, so no network device gets created. Not even when I add an entry for it to: /lib/modules/2.6.25.14-96.fc14.x86_64/modules.usbmap The final step I tried was to download the 2.5.0.2 driver from RaLink, and build it locally. It builds, but it doesn't build an installable kernel module: # insmod rt5370sta.ko insmod: error inserting 'rt5370sta.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module Anyone have one of these running in their system yet? I'm looking forward to seeing an ra0 device that I can use as my wifi connection! I have on order one of the small wifi adapters which I believe should work with the rt2870usb also - and I will be very interested to hear of any progress - the reason I ordered the new one was that I have a device that was working fine with the realtek rtl8712SU driver but I cannot compile the driver with the 3.1 kernel as there are compile errors - and I want to test a laptop that needs this running f16 pre beta - there is supposed to be a suitable driver in kmod staging for the latter but kmod staging for f16 is not yet available. So I thought I would try the rt2870 device and I will fiddle with it properly once it arrives in the coming days. I see you are using f14 - have you tried installing kmod-staging from rpmfusion to see if there is a driver there? I will post more once I get my device and tinker with it. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: RaLink 5370 USB Wifi Dongle
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Kevin J. Cummings cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net wrote: The WiFi in my laptop gave up the ghost. Doesn't matter what card I put in the mini PCIe slot, the system doesn't think anything is there. So, I bought one of those new $7 Wifi dongles for the USB port. Surprisingly small! 802.11n capable as well! The problem? It appears in the lsusb list: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. But, nothing appears as a Wifi Device. One Wifi email list suggested that it would be supported by the rt2x00 driver, but modprobing that driver does not recognize the device. The RaLink site has 2 drivers that *should* support it: rt2870usb and rt2870sta. I found that RPMFusion packages version 2.4.0 of the rt2870 driver, but there is no entry for the 148f:5370, so no network device gets created. Not even when I add an entry for it to: /lib/modules/2.6.25.14-96.fc14.x86_64/modules.usbmap The final step I tried was to download the 2.5.0.2 driver from RaLink, and build it locally. It builds, but it doesn't build an installable kernel module: # insmod rt5370sta.ko insmod: error inserting 'rt5370sta.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module Anyone have one of these running in their system yet? I'm looking forward to seeing an ra0 device that I can use as my wifi connection! I have on order one of the small wifi adapters which I believe should work with the rt2870usb also - and I will be very interested to hear of any progress - the reason I ordered the new one was that I have a device that was working fine with the realtek rtl8712SU driver but I cannot compile the driver with the 3.1 kernel as there are compile errors - and I want to test a laptop that needs this running f16 pre beta - there is supposed to be a suitable driver in kmod staging for the latter but kmod staging for f16 is not yet available. So I thought I would try the rt2870 device and I will fiddle with it properly once it arrives in the coming days. I see you are using f14 - have you tried installing kmod-staging from rpmfusion to see if there is a driver there? I will post more once I get my device and tinker with it. By the way my device is http://www.edimax.com/en/support_detail.php?pd_id=366pl1_id=1pl2_id=44 with the drivers listed at http://www.wikidevi.com/wiki/Edimax_EW-7722UTn I am hoping that there may be a driver already in the newer kernels that may work - but if necessary I will try to compile the driver from source it is an interesting game trying to get these usb wifi adapters going! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 09/16/2011 06:19 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: If you want to adapt the DE to your needs (as opposed to adapting yourself to a new DE), KDE seems to be the best possible choice. The first time I used XFCE after installing it, my desktop looked almost exactly the same way it had under Gnome 2. My wallpaper was the same, my panel was where I wanted it, with most of the icons I wanted right where they'd always been (I'd love to get rid of the Trash icon and Show Desktop icon, but aside from that, it's almost exactly the same.) and so on. Almost no learning curve. That's why I recommend it. Can KDE do the same? I tinkered with xfce this evening on an old laptop running f16 - I actually pretty well like xfce and it is pretty snappy on old hardware too, as well as being pretty configurable - the only initial irritation was that I could not set up scrolling and tapping on the touchpad - but adding stuff to the config file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf got things the way I wanted Certainly it was functionally useful and even compared to KDE on that machine which at the present time is pretty sluggish even with the faster kernel-3.1.0-0.rc6.git0.3.fc16 installed and running - so it was a breath of fresh air trying xfce on that machine - I have no doubt that KDE in f16 on a faster more up to date machine would do what I needed... but there is a choice of DEs which is nice. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive, difficult to use with ease, nauseating to try...
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: Everyone is required to change - if you don't like G-3 there are several great DE's ... fedora makes it super easy to try them - then pick the one that suits your needs. Fiddling and diddling and painting the donkey to look like a horse wont get you a horse :-) If indeed G-3 is targeted at the tablet market as some say, then perhaps one day it will be able to compete against Android, perhaps that will be its home. For those who use their computers for real work (not just browsing and tweeting) the other DE's offer a superior environment (for many). In fact, I would suggest that G-3 be changed to a tablet spin and lets make KDE the default DE for [lap/desk]/tops. Actually I wonder how many people who have posted so much about G-2 being retained, and how difficult G-3 is, have actually used KDE current in f15? I have been using it for a while now and it really is nice - and a completely different DE to the first shaky new KDE 4.0 that emerged only a couple of versions ago it is very usable and worthy of daily use now as KDE4.6 or 4.7... You are right G-2 is yesterday's desktop - today we have G-3 for those that like it, and it may be a hard pill for some to swallow, even if it does head down the tablet route (sorry - could not resist!) but if it is impossible to swallow then I would really recommend people do try KDE or one of the other DEs that have been mentioned. There are good alternatives to G-3. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Brain fart: no format option on a pen drive pop-up menu?
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: Check the documentation for: hdparm --secure-erase and/or --security-erase-enhanced I have used these commands for a number of drives - it is the fastest way to really erase all data on a drive, and effectively end up with the equivalent of a factory fresh HD. The only catch is that depending on your bios/hardware you may need to hotplug the drive before you get it into an unfrozen state with regard to using those secure erase commands. However as Gene says you need to check the documentation - googling gets the information you need fairly quickly. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: kernel panic
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Hiisi hi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 31 August 2011 20:51, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 14:03:39 +0200, antonio.montagn...@alice.it antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: How can I report the full set of messages? (If not copying by hand??) It is relatively common for people to take a picture of the screen after a crash to capture a traceback or other information that won't be in any logs. When system freezes the only way of making a screenshot is take a picture by camera, upload photo on the web and post the link here. Are any of the suggestions in the following link for getting a console output for info immediately prior to the crash helpful? http://wiki.openvz.org/Remote_console_setup -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: kernel panic
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:35 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Hiisi hi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 31 August 2011 20:51, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 14:03:39 +0200, antonio.montagn...@alice.it antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: How can I report the full set of messages? (If not copying by hand??) It is relatively common for people to take a picture of the screen after a crash to capture a traceback or other information that won't be in any logs. When system freezes the only way of making a screenshot is take a picture by camera, upload photo on the web and post the link here. Are any of the suggestions in the following link for getting a console output for info immediately prior to the crash helpful? http://wiki.openvz.org/Remote_console_setup There is more about netconsole at http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: kernel panic
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:49 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:35 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Hiisi hi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 31 August 2011 20:51, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 14:03:39 +0200, antonio.montagn...@alice.it antonio.montagn...@alice.it wrote: How can I report the full set of messages? (If not copying by hand??) It is relatively common for people to take a picture of the screen after a crash to capture a traceback or other information that won't be in any logs. When system freezes the only way of making a screenshot is take a picture by camera, upload photo on the web and post the link here. Are any of the suggestions in the following link for getting a console output for info immediately prior to the crash helpful? http://wiki.openvz.org/Remote_console_setup There is more about netconsole at http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt Also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Netconsole -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing driver for WiFi adapter
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 3:28 PM, John W. Linville linvi...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:36:06PM +0100, Paul Smith wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote: TP-LINK TL-WN821N Can you post output of lsmod and lsusb. Have you installed the firmware for the device into /lib/firmware? If the device is supported by the kernel you won't be able to load the module without the firmware installed. Google is your friend. Thanks, Terry. Why do you believe you need to install some kind of a driver? From the below, it looks like your card is an atheros chip-based one, and you have a bunch of ath9 modules loaded. What exactly is or is not working for you. Well, I plug the the USB device and nothing happens. According to the manual, a led should be turned on when I plug the USB. A possible explanation is here: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=268068 That relates to the carl9170 driver. We don't have that firmware packaged in Fedora either -- no one ever bothered to review my package of the SH cross compiler used to build the firmware, and I haven't bothered to bang the drum about it either. Anyway, that's a different issue. The ath9k_htc firmware used to be in the linux-firmware tree, but apparently they have stopped updating it there? Not sure... Anyway, you can find the firmware and get it installed by starting here: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k_htc#Firmware Hth! John I also have a machine that has to use an external usb wifi adapter and in my case I have a tiny device that relies on rtl8712su or rtl8192su - which is a slight aside from the thread on ath9k...but similar issue in that there is no wireless driver by default. Until f14/15 I was able to compile the driver from the source from realtek - and copy the firmware to /lib/firmware and it would work fine - however I recently installed f16 alpha rc5 and updated via ether - but the wireless driver won't compile - (yes I have kernel-devel and kernel-headers). I could give the output of lsusb and other diagnostics but I wonder if anyone else has had a similar issue with f16a ? Any tips for rtl8712/8192 for usb would be appreciated. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: PDF to text?
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 08/12/2011 11:16 AM, Madhav Ancha wrote: You could try this fedora app: pdftotext (guys please dont double post to old and new fedora list) The OP needs to confirm that the original pdf is actually text and not an image of text? The other way is to use okular or similar and then you can select the text and copy it to the clipboard - and then paste it into the translation box. However if the pdf is a scanned image then it would need ocr before the text could be extracted - -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unable to create a liveUSB from Fedora-15-i386-DVD.iso
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:25 AM, yudi v yudi@gmail.com wrote: The live CDs have the hard drive boot loader code and partition at the beginning of the image. The DVD images do not. Mikkel Thanks for the info. This method of putting the DVD iso onto a usbkey I have been using for some years and works consistently. One word of caution though is that when it comes to using the usbkey to do an install to the hard drive of the machine you are installing to, you have to be careful when you reach the bootloader screen. Unless this has been fixed in very recent versions, you will likely find that by default it will attempt to put grub onto the mbr of the usbkey instead of putting it onto the mbr of the HD! So at this point you need to swap over the first and second bios drive in the options on the bootloader page during the install, and make sure that it says that it will put grub onto the mbr of the hard drive. Only then will your newly installed system boot normally once the install is complete. The other thing is that if you do not do that then you may find you can't boot your key either once the install completes since its mbr would have been overwritten. Other than that this method of install works nicely and saves having to burn a disc. Hopefully at some point the little wrinkle about the bootloader watchpoint when using this method will be resolved so that there is no need to take care of it manually during the install. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't send email
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: This is exactly why (half) solutions like this are really bad. A well designed service should be a back end that works everywhere - and allow front ends to be built (or shared) for different DE's. In this regard, the wallet managers are a failure. Network manager does it right - a daemon back end and a set of GUI's to partner with it. A decent key manager would be similar. There'd be a single API that apps can use - and the GUI's for user use the same API to communicate with it. The idea of having a tool for a common task is a good one - the design implementation is flawed and suffers from NIH. My view of course :-) Similar criticism could be applied to chrome and its use of gnome keyring or kwallet to store passwords? (I know that chrome is proprietary - but presume that same applies to chromium?) How many people had chrome working fine in their gnome desktop - and then moved the profile to another machine with a KDE DE and then find no passwords were present any more - there is a method to pull them across but it would be oh so nice if copying the profile alone was sufficient in this situation! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F15 without any active network? - Solved
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:22 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:14 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, yes I did set a hostname but did not set up networking on the same screen - little point since the network was not accessible (in fact not only was DHCP set to not give an address to the machine, but if a static ip was set then the network was setup to not allow the machine access at all) Maybe I just did not detail enough exact steps - sorry if that led to any misunderstanding. I finally found the problem - it was a bad DVD burn - a good DVD did not give the problem! Very sorry for the noise. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F15 without any active network? - Solved
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: I finally found the problem - it was a bad DVD burn - a good DVD did not give the problem! You mean you didn't run the media check? *Always* run the media check the first time you use an install DVD. poc You are right! I rarely use a physical DVD - and usually do installs via a usbkey or via an HD install with the iso on a partition that is not being formatted, and then booting a grub stanza added to grub.conf - the iso checksums are confirmed with sha256sum whenever I pull the iso files - but you are right that I should have also done a media check on the burned DVD when installing using an optical drive - lesson learned! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F15 without any active network? - Solved
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: It would be nice to get a crack at that DVD. I'm curious how a bad burn caused a fixed bug to resurface. I don't know but it was certainly not an alpha or a beta iso - disk is binned though -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F15 without any active network? - Solved
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:25 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: It would be nice to get a crack at that DVD. I'm curious how a bad burn caused a fixed bug to resurface. I don't know but it was certainly not an alpha or a beta iso - disk is binned though Ed, your comments have made me doubt myself now! I have been exceptionally busy for the past month, and maybe I just plain screwed up on which iso I originally burned! Anyway the correct iso burned properly works fine - so I am sorry I wasted people's time on this thread - I'll crawl into a corner now! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F15 without any active network?
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: We are going around in circles. My question to you was did you use the Install a new system or upgrade an existing system option? You responded: Install new system was the option - if you go from there you don't reach any repo definition options in the steps until you hit this problem immediately after trying to click to move on from the bootloader section. So now we hear you did use the option I asked you about. You wanted to know if any one ignored the set network option that appears after the you set the host name. I said I did not set up the network at that point and the installation continued. Did you set the host name? Was it after that your installation crapped out? Maybe if we knew exactly what selections you made from the menus after you choose the boot option you chose we could have more of an idea what went wrong. Forget it - the machine in question is now registered on the network so the install will work when I can get back to it in the next day or so in between other work. I have a test laptop at home, and I will check a clean install on it using an original physical DVD in the coming week. All I asked was whether someone had successfully installed F15 from the DVD install iso using an optical disk drive, for a clean install on bare metal, without any wired or wireless network - clearly nobody replied on that - perhaps they could not reply since they could not install- hah! Anyway this particular thread does not seem to be getting anywhere so just drop it - I will do my own investigation. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: updated bind for: CVE-2011-2464 / CVE-2011-2465
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote: Is there an update for bind coming to F15/6 to address CVE-2011-2464 / CVE-2011-2465 I didn't find one in koji .. Looks like bind-9.8.0-7.P4.fc16 is currently building but that is affected too? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F15 without any active network?
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I am glad to drop it but 2 people said they had done the installation without having setup networking right after entering the host name. Since you never got to the adding repo stage their setting up networking at that point in the installation that seems irrelevant. You seem to ignore their testimony and don't want their help so investigate away. Indeed there is little point in talking about setting up repos which were further down the line beyond where the problem occurred for me. The point in the install where the fail for me occurred was when clicking next when the bootloader setup screen was visible. The only options that had been set at that point were keyboard, language, timezone, and the disc partitioning if I remember right (and of course a root password) - there was a window that popped up asking to configure the network based on the existing NIC on that computer - but without any allowable DHCP options that would work it would seem the sensible thing at that point was to cancel the network setup - but the system then only allowed the option to exit the installer at that point - hence further progress was not possible. I don't know if that was because the ethernet cable was attached to the NIC but the accessible DHCP server was setup not to allow it to serve an address to the MAC for the NIC - or if there was some other problem. Clearly Ed said that he was able to move past that point installing to a VM but that may not be the same as with an install to the real hardware with the same situation that I found. I suppose I could have physically unplugged the network cable which would be a different situation compared to having the network cable plugged in but the network not accessible. Anyway I was away from that machine today (it belongs to someone else who had asked me to help him install) - but he mailed me from another machine saying that the machine is now registered with the LAN database so when I next go to help him install it will likely just continue as normal - if I had time I would try to see what would happen with the network cable physically unplugged but I will only have a minimal time to install and configure the machine. Anyway thanks for responding even if it was not possible to get to the bottom of the problem - the main reason for posting in the first place would be to flag a possible problem that others might meet - and discussion can then lead to other seeing a solution - in my case I knew that after a day or two the problem would go away once the network became live for that machine - I will try an install on a machine at home without any cable attached for networking, and without any wireless set up for access and see what happens - maybe I will see the corresponding problem there - in which case I will probably just enter a bz with as much detail as I can get. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F15 without any active network?
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:14 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, yes I did set a hostname but did not set up networking on the same screen - little point since the network was not accessible (in fact not only was DHCP set to not give an address to the machine, but if a static ip was set then the network was setup to not allow the machine access at all) Maybe I just did not detail enough exact steps - sorry if that led to any misunderstanding. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Installing F15 without any active network?
I have been installing f15 on several machines without any issue - but today I was asked to help someone install f15 on a machine which currently does not have a network connection (all previous installs were on machines with an active network connection). I may be a complete idiot but I could not for the life of me fathom out how to get the install to complete in this situation - it pops up a request to define the network a few steps into the install, and then will simply not proceed saying that some parts of the install require a network connection - clicking cancel then only gave the option of quitting the install altogether! Have I missed something obvious? Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F15 without any active network?
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 14:13 +0100, mike cloaked wrote: I have been installing f15 on several machines without any issue - but today I was asked to help someone install f15 on a machine which currently does not have a network connection (all previous installs were on machines with an active network connection). I may be a complete idiot but I could not for the life of me fathom out how to get the install to complete in this situation - it pops up a request to define the network a few steps into the install, and then will simply not proceed saying that some parts of the install require a network connection - clicking cancel then only gave the option of quitting the install altogether! Have I missed something obvious? Yes, you've omitted to say how you're doing the install. Without knowing that, no-one can tell you what to do other than guessing. Ahh! It was from a physical DVD - with the DVD install iso - nothing fancy - just a straightforward install as I have been doing since FC1 days - this is the first time I have come across any problem doing a standalone clean install from a DVD disk - it looks like it may be trying to activate updates when I was only after a basic install from the DVD (reason is that I was trying to install ahead of the network people amending the local LAN database to include the NIC MAC in the next few days - so until that is done there will be no network access or IP address assigned from DHCP - but getting the install done should have been a time saver in the meantime) Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
