Re: FC39 Upgrade failure - Kernel not in grub

[Robin Laing]

Okay.

My confusion.

Still my first time to use it.

On 12/11/2023 15.57, Barry wrote:




On 12 Nov 2023, at 21:51, Robin Laing  wrote:

It was my first time on Discord.


Its discuss not discord.

Barry


Okay.

My confusion.

Still my first time to use it.

I thought it was discuss on discord.  Everything else seems to be going 
to Discord and my mind just thought the same thing.  I am sorry.


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Re: FC39 Upgrade failure - Kernel not in grub

[Robin Laing]

In my searches, didn't come across that thread.  It was my first time on 
Discord.


I didn't have to re-install the kernel, just ran the script that Villy 
Kruse recommended.


   -
The exact command to do that you can find by running

rpm -q --scripts kernel-core | grep add

Example

/bin/kernel-install add 6.5.9-300.fc39.x86_64 
/lib/modules/6.5.9-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?
/bin/kernel-install add 6.5.10-300.fc39.x86_64 
/lib/modules/6.5.10-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?
/bin/kernel-install add 6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64 
/lib/modules/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?


Re-installing the latest kernel-core package would do the same thing 
except downloading it again from the repository.



Computer booted today and now works.

Robin


On 12/11/2023 05.59, Suse Shi wrote:

https://www.shisaihua.com/fedora-39-upgraded-and-kernel-not-shown-in-grub-list/ 
<https://www.shisaihua.com/fedora-39-upgraded-and-kernel-not-shown-in-grub-list/>

to remove /boot/efi/ folder works.

Robin Laing mailto:me...@telusplanet.net>> 于 
2023年11月12日周日 16:46写道：


On 11/11/2023 22.12, Mike Wright wrote:
 > On 11/11/23 19:48, Robin Laing wrote:
 >> Hello,
 >>
 >> I did an upgrade today from from FC37 to FC39 and all went well
except
 >> that the kernel is NOT in grub.
 >>
 >> All the apps are now FC39 but no option to boot with the FC39
kernel.
 >>
 >> I tried to reinstall the kernel to see if it would be picked up by
 >> grub that that didn't work either.
 >>
 >> RPM shows that the kernel is installed.
 >>
 >> How do I progress from here?
 >
 > sudo update-grub ?
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I tried that and it didn't work.

I got help on the Fedora Discord and it was a strange issue related to
previous upgrades.

I had a directory on my system pointing to the FC39 kernel.

-rwx--. 1 root root 35973272 Nov 11 19:24
/boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/initrd

The instructions I got were to remove that directory and run the command

         rpm -q --scripts kernel-core | grep add

Which brought me to this script to run.

/bin/kernel-install add 6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64
/lib/modules/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?

The FC39 kernel now shows up when I run
         grubby --info=ALL

  From the help on Discord, the comment was:

The existence of the directory
/boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d triggers the update to
generate systemd-boot configuration. In previous version it did not
always do that.

I have done what I have been instructed remotely and will try
booting in
the morning to see if it worked.

Will post an update.

Robin
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Re: FC39 Upgrade failure - Kernel not in grub

[Robin Laing]

On 11/11/2023 22.12, Mike Wright wrote:

On 11/11/23 19:48, Robin Laing wrote:

Hello,

I did an upgrade today from from FC37 to FC39 and all went well except 
that the kernel is NOT in grub.


All the apps are now FC39 but no option to boot with the FC39 kernel.

I tried to reinstall the kernel to see if it would be picked up by 
grub that that didn't work either.


RPM shows that the kernel is installed.

How do I progress from here?


sudo update-grub ?
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I tried that and it didn't work.

I got help on the Fedora Discord and it was a strange issue related to 
previous upgrades.


I had a directory on my system pointing to the FC39 kernel.

-rwx--. 1 root root 35973272 Nov 11 19:24 
/boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/initrd


The instructions I got were to remove that directory and run the command

rpm -q --scripts kernel-core | grep add

Which brought me to this script to run.

/bin/kernel-install add 6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64 
/lib/modules/6.5.11-300.fc39.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?


The FC39 kernel now shows up when I run
grubby --info=ALL

From the help on Discord, the comment was:

The existence of the directory 
/boot/efi/1a7fd46e52044d0b903f101cf47a634d triggers the update to 
generate systemd-boot configuration. In previous version it did not 
always do that.


I have done what I have been instructed remotely and will try booting in 
the morning to see if it worked.


Will post an update.

Robin
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FC39 Upgrade failure - Kernel not in grub

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I did an upgrade today from from FC37 to FC39 and all went well except 
that the kernel is NOT in grub.


All the apps are now FC39 but no option to boot with the FC39 kernel.

I tried to reinstall the kernel to see if it would be picked up by grub 
that that didn't work either.


RPM shows that the kernel is installed.

How do I progress from here?

Robin
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Re: LibreOffice Base?

[Robin Laing]

On 2022-05-01 19:31, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I want to create an Access Database on my F35 system so my wife can also 
use it on her Windows system using Access.


So I did a quick bit of googling and found that maybe LibreOffice Base 
is what I want.


So I did:

dnf install libreoffice-base

which worked, and then tried launching it and

nothing...

Any hints on getting this running?

thanks
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I tried a different approach since I use base and have for years.

I tried to uninstall it and see what it wanted to remove.

dnf erase libreoffice-base
pam_mount password:
Dependencies resolved.

 Package  Architecture 
Version


Removing:
 libreoffice-basex86_641:7.2.6.2-1.fc35 


Removing dependent packages:
 libreoffice x86_641:7.2.6.2-1.fc35 


Removing unused dependencies:
 firebirdx86_644.0.0.2496-5.fc35 

 firebird-utils  x86_644.0.0.2496-5.fc35 

 flute   noarch1.3.0-26.OOo31.fc35 

 libbase noarch1.1.3-30.fc35 

 libfbclient2x86_644.0.0.2496-5.fc35 

 libfontsnoarch1.1.3-34.fc35 

 libformula  noarch1.1.3-31.fc35 

 libib-util  x86_644.0.0.2496-5.fc35 

 liblayout   noarch0.2.10-25.fc35 

 libloader   noarch1.1.3-32.fc35 

 libreoffice-emailmerge  x86_641:7.2.6.2-1.fc35 

 librepository   noarch1.1.3-31.fc35 

 libserializer   noarch1.1.2-30.fc35 

 pentaho-libxml  noarch1.1.3-30.fc35 

 pentaho-reporting-flow-engine   noarch1:0.9.4-24.fc35 

 postgresql-jdbc noarch42.2.25-1.fc35 

 sac noarch1.3-36.fc35 



Transaction Summary

Remove  19 Packages


Maybe there is a package that from this list that is missing.

I have has some issues and found that if I tried to do something in a 
different account they work.  Something in my own account prevents it 
from working properly.  Maybe an old configuration setting of some sort.


Robin
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Re: LibreOffice Base?

[Robin Laing]

On 2022-05-02 09:27, jarmo wrote:

Mon, 2 May 2022 09:54:05 -0400
Robert Moskowitz  kirjoitti:



A long list of all the files and directories in the current
directory...

Nothing else that I caught.


When I type libreoffice in console, libreoffice opens, have you all
rights ok.
And which libreoffice
/usr/bin/libreoffice

Jarmo
Mine opens me into a generic window with a list of recent files and a 
menu on the side with the ability to create a new:

Writer Document
Calc Spreadsheet
Impress Presentation
Draw Drawing
Math Formula
Base Database
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Re: Can new Fedora changes help users ?

[Robin Laing]

On 2022-04-27 13:10, Cătălin George Feștilă wrote:

I read this article 
https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/27/fedora_starts_to_simplify_linux/.
The question is whether we can still use old laptops. I have an HP 6710b and it 
works very well at the moment with Fedora 36.
In this case, my opinion is that the development team will release a special 
Fedora Spin for laptops with old hardware. What do you think?
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I read this article and started thinking if it is time to ditch Fedora.

I am finding many applications that I use are no longer being supported 
on Fedora or there are not enough people working to keep applications 
updated.  I have started to use SNAP software to get current versions or 
applications at all.


I have tried Gnome but will stick with KDE.  KDE is going downhill.  It 
isn't all of Fedora teams fault.


If I have to stick with an old version to keep my hardware working or 
change to a different version of Linux, then I will.  I will change all 
my machines.


I know another person that is still on F33 due to changes that he has 
not been able to get working on his network and is concerned about this 
as well.




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Re: Help configuring internal network

[Robin Laing]

On 2022-03-20 12:50, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2022-03-20 at 12:13 -0400, R. G. Newbury wrote:

'Configuring the DHCP server to work that way', is to set it to
deliver a static address. With a dhcp server, the problem is that any
change in the network, or the items connecting to it, can cause the
dhcp server to deliver a different address to a unit, while a static
address, once set as a static address, will not change. Moreover, a
static address setting is tied to the MAC of the unit, not its FQDN.


Again, I'd say generally not (addresses changing willy nilly).  Unless
you have one of those cutdown DHCP servers which only doles out a tiny
number of addresses and has no choice but to share 4 addresses amongst
5 devices.

When a device boots up and tries to connect to the network, the DHCP
server sees this, and checks if the device has a prior lease.  If so,
it tries to give it the same one again.  The device can say it'd like a
particular address, but the DHCP server is boss and *can* honour or
ignore that request.

When another device boots up and tries to join the network, the same
thing happens again.  The DHCP server sees if it's previously served
that device, and if it has, it'll try to assign it the same address as
last time.  If it's a new device, it'll try to serve it an address it
hasn't given out before to anything else.

There are lease time parameters which can configure how short and how
long leases last for (e.g. try to keep the lease reserved for a few
days if possible, try to avoid changing leases within a few hours), but
they tend to be applied to what to do when the server has run out of
spare addresses and will have to re-use an address.

My experience is that the same devices usually don't get different
addresses, and different devices don't usually take over an address
used by something else.  Part of that equation is the device, as well,
it'll usually ask the DHCP server if it can have the same IP as last
time, even if the lease period is over.

Of course that's no guarantee.  Your DHCP server (such as in a router)
might have short default times.  ISPs often deliberately pick short
times, so they can tell customers to disconnect, wait 10 minutes, and
try again, when things stopped working (the idea being that they may
get a different route, next time, and the ISP won't bother trying to
fault find their own network, or it might auto-reset devices when
they're free).  On my LAN, I've set deliberately very long lease times,
just to avoid these nightmares.  Leases will be held, if possible, for
months.
  


In my network, devices are assigned DHCP IP address according to their 
MAC address.  My wireless access point uses mac filtering.


With DHCP being assigned via MAC address, then they get a static IP 
address fixed to that device.  This helps with scripting for some 
things.  Something to consider.


Robin
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Re: OT: ink jet printers

[Robin Laing]

On 06/07/2021 09:57, Greg Woods wrote:

Well, not completely OT because I do need one that will work on Fedora.

I have found a number of ink jet all-in-ones that work well on Fedora, 
from Epson, HP, and Brother. The problem is that I don't use the printer 
all that much, and every single one of them eventually (after I've had 
it for a few months) develops a head clog that is so bad that not even 
the printer's cleaning cycle can fix it. I have tried some of the 
cleaning kits with not much success (I'm a lousy handyman), and even if 
I could get the cleaning kits to work, I'd rather find a printer where I 
can avoid this headache.


So, is there any such thing as an all-in-one ink jet printer that does 
not suffer from this problem if it is not used regularly? Question #2 
is, are any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and work (all 
functions) with Fedora Linux?


Thanks,
--Greg



After reading the thread, I will go with a laser.  I have had so many 
issues with ink jets and one of the new issues that I didn't see 
mentioned in this thread are printers that won't work with expired ink. 
 Even though the ink cartridge is full, the printer refuses to use it.


I also suggest laser and we have two HP lasers.  Since the life of 
lasers is so long, when we purchased one for our university student, we 
got a commercial one with full duplex for both printing and scanning. 
With COVID-19, they were doing more printing but still using the 
original cartridges.  It was in stock and on sale.


We have an older HP 400 printer and with HPLIP and the HP scanner 
plugin, from HP, we have no issues using XSane as long as the plugin is 
up to date.  My only issue I had was I had set the scanner for duplex 
and didn't even know at that time it did duplex.  :)


As for cartridges, this is where the laser is better.  They have long 
shelf lives.  We purchase directly from HP and may do it once a year. 
They have some great specials at times.


Our other student purchased a cheap Samsung laser printer and it just 
worked with an older version Fedora.


I have spent so much money on ink jets in the past to replace them for 
multiple reasons.  Spent less money on laser cartridges than would have 
on ink over the years.


We use HP and Xerox printers at work.

Robin
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Re: What is wrong with new kernels 5.12

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On 26/05/2021 13:12, René Harder Olsen wrote:

The new kernel begin with version 5.12.5 and 5.12.6 refuses to continue after
login request.
Rene


Just a comment

No video issues here but issues with USB3 external drives taking minutes 
to mount.  3 different drives.  Get error messages with dmesg that don't 
show up with the older kernel on this computer.


I spent over an hour to test hardware to ensure that it was good.

This was after an update very late last night.

More testing needed on my part.

Robin



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Re: VideoConference Package?

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On 26/08/2020 17:07, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:31:12 -0600 Robin Laing  wrote:


On 30/03/2020 08:01, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:50:01 +0200
Andras Simon wrote:


FWIW I've been using Teams from chrome on Fedora 30 for like two weeks now
for classes (audio, video, chat and screen sharing), and, touch wood, it's
been very stable.


I can easily believe the web interface is better than the app, I didn't
try the web interface. The android app was certainly less annoying than
the linux app.
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Web interface works but not the best but I find Microsoft products not
the best.  I find that the layout and organization is frustrating and it
took me two days to find out where the email (outlook) was.

I refuse to run the app on my desktop and from what I have read, I am
glad.  For work, I use a separate account.  Not my personal account.

I am on Fedora 32 and use it in Firefox.


FWIW, I don't know if you read my e-mail but teams-on-linux is not a MS product.

As I mentioned, "I found an open source project on github for MS Teams called 
teams-for-linux at
https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux which I have found is smaller 
than the dud made available by MS, and works reasonably well
and definitely better than the official MS one. RPMs are available here: 
https://github.com/IsmaelMartinez/teams-for-linux/releases but I think
no repo."

It is far better than the MS linux version. Of course, only if one has to 
actually use it. Most importantly, it allows for individual
window-sharing which is not possible on the clients for linux and MacOS 
released by MS. I hope that this helps those for whom not getting rid
of MS Teams is not an option.

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Yes I did read your email before responding.  I will stick with the web 
interface even though it isn't the best.


Just wanted to add my comments to using it.

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Re: VideoConference Package?

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On 30/03/2020 08:01, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:50:01 +0200
Andras Simon wrote:


FWIW I've been using Teams from chrome on Fedora 30 for like two weeks now
for classes (audio, video, chat and screen sharing), and, touch wood, it's
been very stable.


I can easily believe the web interface is better than the app, I didn't
try the web interface. The android app was certainly less annoying than
the linux app.
___


Web interface works but not the best but I find Microsoft products not 
the best.  I find that the layout and organization is frustrating and it 
took me two days to find out where the email (outlook) was.


I refuse to run the app on my desktop and from what I have read, I am 
glad.  For work, I use a separate account.  Not my personal account.


I am on Fedora 32 and use it in Firefox.

Robin
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Re: Please recommend a super fast video editing software for Fedora 31 Linux

[Robin Laing]

On 20/09/2019 01:32, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

Good afternoon from Singapore,

I am presently using Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 15.0 on Windows 10
Home Edition to render 4K Ultra HD 3840x2160 videos. My processor is
5th generation Intel Core i7-5820K @ 3.3 GHz with 6 cores only. My
motherboard is MSI X99A SLI Krait Edition with LGA2011-3 socket and 32
GB DDR4 memory. However, 4K video rendering on this platform takes an
extremely long time, typically more than 10 hours to render a 2-hour
4K video.

Please recommend a super fast video editing software for Fedora 31
Linux which can do 4K video rendering significantly faster.

Perhaps it is not the software but my processor which could be the
bottleneck. Do I need to upgrade to 16 or 18 core processors like the
Intel Core i9-9980XE Extreme Edition or AMD Ryzen 9 3950X to render 4K
videos significantly faster?

Please advise.

Thank you very much.



mplayer is great for getting your raw video formatted.  mencoder, 
mplayer, ffmpeg all can change the video and add the required watermark. 
 With some work, you can use mplayer and ffmpeg to cut, edit and join 
the various pieces of video together or add your watermark.


RAM is your friend.  I now want to try on my one machine with 128G of 
ram and see how fast it can work.  Also SSD's for speed if you don't 
have the ram.  You want to have the fastest disk rights possible.


You want to minimize the bottlenecks which are normally data writes and 
reads today.


SSD's in a raid 0 configuration are fastest but can be an area of data 
loss if there is a crash.


Set up two SSD's for just the editing process, not anything else.  May 
be the cheapest method.

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Re: KDE on Fedora 30/31

[Robin Laing]

Most machines running F30 with no issues.  One machine.  2005 nVidia 
video card and I have issues with any driver I have tried.  Frame buffer 
errors.


With current drivers and current nVidia card, no issues at all.

Had major issues with an older AMD video that kept locking up.  Not that 
old of a video at the time but no working driver.


On a older laptop, as with Windows, add an SDD driver and it will work 
much better.  I use KDE on an old HP laptop, dual core, 4G ram with now 
major issues, just slow.


As I write this.
5.2.15-200.fc30.x86_64

A few years ago, plasma was a headache so could be related to that.

On F29, an issue with plasma but not 30.  Only once did it ever lock up 
on me on my main desktop and that was related to an external drive. 
Older nVidia video card on an much older machine, I do have issues.





On 21/09/2019 12:19, William Oliver wrote:

Folk,

A few versions of Fedora ago, I got a little frustrated with the way
KDE was running on my laptop.  I don't remember the actual problem,
really.  I think it had to do with not being able to download and
install icons or themes or some other eyecandy; there was always some
sort of failure.  The upshot was that I was more loyal to my desktop
than my distro and switched to KDEneon since it worked.

But, I've always had a soft spot for Fedora;  I've been using it off
and on ever since it has existed (and Red Hat Linux or Mandrake before
that).  I'm getting the itch to give it a go again, probably when 31 is
finalized.

So... for the KDE users out there, how is Fedora doing with KDE
nowadays?

billo
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Re: How to request a new package.

[Robin Laing]

On 01/08/2019 01:28, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/31/19 7:44 PM, Robin Laing wrote:

Still should be a Fedora package though.


There are lots of packages that would be nice to have, but someone has 
to do the work.

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So very true.

One reason so many go to Ubuntu.  Seems to have everything.

I do wonder what will happen with the IBM ownership.

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Re: How to request a new package.

[Robin Laing]

On 31/07/2019 20:44, Robin Laing wrote:
Will try it.  Not sure if I can get it through the work firewall that 
way but will try.


Never knew about the pip2 pip3 though.

Tried it and FreeCAD addon manager installed the plugin.  Now to test it.

Thank you.

Still should be a Fedora package though.


On 31/07/2019 01:27, Aristeidis Dimitriadis wrote:

This is not what you asked for for but it would probably be easier for
you to install them through pip. Something like:

$ pip install --user xlrd xlwt xlutils

This way you get them directly from PyPi (faster updates) and the
"--user" option means they are installed in your home folder preventing
them from breaking your system-wide python installation. Use pip3 if you
want to install them for Python 3 and pip2 for Python 2.

Hope this helps

On 7/31/19 7:23 AM, Robin Laing wrote:

Hello,

I was trying to install the InventorLoader addon for FreeCAD and it
requires three python modules to install.

xlrd, xlwt and xlutils

xlrd and xlwt are available through DNF, xlutils isn't.

I saw it mentioned in an old bug report but nothing more.

I would like to request that this package be added.

https://pypi.org/project/xlutils/




Trying to install through a very well configured firewall was not easy.

Certificate issues from the python distribution site.  Finally 
downloaded it and learned how to install from a local directory. 
Unfortunately, it didn't solve the problem I was trying to fix.  Opening 
an Inventor file in FreeCAD.  I hate Autodesk.

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Re: How to request a new package.

[Robin Laing]

Will try it.  Not sure if I can get it through the work firewall that 
way but will try.


Never knew about the pip2 pip3 though.

Tried it and FreeCAD addon manager installed the plugin.  Now to test it.

Thank you.

Still should be a Fedora package though.


On 31/07/2019 01:27, Aristeidis Dimitriadis wrote:

This is not what you asked for for but it would probably be easier for
you to install them through pip. Something like:

$ pip install --user xlrd xlwt xlutils

This way you get them directly from PyPi (faster updates) and the
"--user" option means they are installed in your home folder preventing
them from breaking your system-wide python installation. Use pip3 if you
want to install them for Python 3 and pip2 for Python 2.

Hope this helps

On 7/31/19 7:23 AM, Robin Laing wrote:

Hello,

I was trying to install the InventorLoader addon for FreeCAD and it
requires three python modules to install.

xlrd, xlwt and xlutils

xlrd and xlwt are available through DNF, xlutils isn't.

I saw it mentioned in an old bug report but nothing more.

I would like to request that this package be added.

https://pypi.org/project/xlutils/


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How to request a new package.

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I was trying to install the InventorLoader addon for FreeCAD and it 
requires three python modules to install.


xlrd, xlwt and xlutils

xlrd and xlwt are available through DNF, xlutils isn't.

I saw it mentioned in an old bug report but nothing more.

I would like to request that this package be added.

https://pypi.org/project/xlutils/


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Re: selinux - help - directory policy syntax

[Robin Laing]

On 08/07/2019 21:05, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 7/9/19 10:00 AM, Robin Laing wrote:

Thanks.  In the hours of looking, not once did I see a reference to
regex.  Never even thought of that.  Now I have a direction to go.


Tim gave such a detailed explanation that I didn't think it was needed to 
mention that I
found this after just a google search.

  
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/4/html/SELinux_Guide/rhlcommon-section-0037.html




Thank you.  The ifdef may help for what I want.  May be able to define a 
more flexible permission


Searching for selinux and regex has pointed to examples that describe 
many different things and a couple explain more about how the regex is 
used for directories like this one.


https://serverfault.com/questions/798921/selinux-file-path-context-not-working-with-regex

Now to find some spare time to play with this.  I have a temp fix in 
place for now.


Robin
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Re: selinux - help - directory policy syntax

[Robin Laing]

On 07/07/2019 02:53, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2019-07-07 at 00:35 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:

I want to modify a policy to allow a more localized directory for
creating thumbnails for videos and such.  Presently the policy
"thumb_exec_t" is set for "thumb_home_t"

I cannot find out in anything I have searched what the syntax
description for the two directories under this policy.

/home/[^]+/\.cache/thumbnail(/.*)?

/home/[^]+/\.thumbnail(/.*)?

So, does the  [^] mean the "user" home directory?

Does the + mean this directory? or something else?


That looks like regular expression, regex or regexp, to me.  A very
fancy, and hard to understand form of wildcarding.

See:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression for a basic
explanation.

^ carat marks a starting point

[] square-brackets contain a bunch of characters that can be part of a
match

+ plus allows the previous characters to match one, or more, times
(e.g. if the wildcard specified matching ab, then abab and ababab would
also match).

. dot matches any character, or the dot itself when used inside
brackets.  Outside of brackets, you escape it with a backslash.

* asterisk matches the previous thing, one or more times (slightly
similar to how the plus operator works).

? question-mark matches the previous things zero or more times
(slightly similar to how the plus and asterisk operators).

I hate the mental gynmastics of understanding regex, but that
wildcarding looks like (to me) that it means:

Any file in any .cache/thumbnail or .thumbnail named sub-directories
within a user's homespace (as opposed to such-named directories
somewhere else in the directory tree).

The path must start with /home
and
Match anything after that
and
Has ".cache/thumbnail" in the path (one or more times)
then
Any files inside them.

If I've read it right, the match zero or more incidences means that
things like the following filepaths will all be matches for those
rules:

/home/tim/stuff/.thumbnail/diagram.jpeg
/home/tim/edits/.thumbnails/picture.jpg
/home/tim/.cache/thumbnail/image.png
/home/tim/.cache/thumbnails/graphic.tiff
/home/tim/.cache/thumbnail/.cache/thumbnails/example.gif


There was a bug report about not being able to create thumbnails in
the current directory where the thumbnail program is run.  Ideally
that is what I would like or a related directory.  I want to create a
large number of thumbnails which would be more than the /home/{user}
directory.


If you mean to create thumbnail files in the same directory as the
original images, that's doable but with care.  I've nearly always done
things like the following for websites:

/home/tim/pictures/
/home/tim/thumbnails/

Using adjacent directories, so I don't have recursion explosions.



Thanks.

I never thought of regex and didn't see it documented anywhere but when 
you look at something long enough, you can miss the obvious.


Robin
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Re: selinux - help - directory policy syntax

[Robin Laing]

On 07/07/2019 07:44, Robert Nichols wrote:

On 7/7/19 1:35 AM, Robin Laing wrote:
I cannot find out in anything I have searched what the syntax 
description for the two directories under this policy.


/home/[^]+/\.cache/thumbnail(/.*)?

/home/[^]+/\.thumbnail(/.*)?

So, does the  [^] mean the "user" home directory?

Does the + mean this directory? or something else?


Those expressions should be:
/home/[^/]+/\.cache/thumbnail(/.*)?
/home/[^/]+/\.thumbnail(/.*)?

Note the added "/" following the "^" in the bracket expression, which 
now matches any single character that is NOT "/". The following "+" 
means to match one or more occurrences of the preceding atom.


It's all described in "man 7 regex". The policy compiler is using 
"extended regex".





Thanks.  In the hours of looking, not once did I see a reference to 
regex.  Never even thought of that.  Now I have a direction to go.

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selinux - help - directory policy syntax

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I have searched documentation but I cannot find the answer to my question.

I want to modify a policy to allow a more localized directory for 
creating thumbnails for videos and such.  Presently the policy 
"thumb_exec_t" is set for "thumb_home_t"


I cannot find out in anything I have searched what the syntax 
description for the two directories under this policy.


/home/[^]+/\.cache/thumbnail(/.*)?

/home/[^]+/\.thumbnail(/.*)?

So, does the  [^] mean the "user" home directory?

Does the + mean this directory? or something else?

There was a bug report about not being able to create thumbnails in the 
current directory where the thumbnail program is run.  Ideally that is 
what I would like or a related directory.  I want to create a large 
number of thumbnails which would be more than the /home/{user} directory.


Is there a document that describes this syntax?


Some of the links off of the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux 
don't work either.


Robin
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Re: comments in pdf

[Robin Laing]

On 26/05/2019 09:21, Marko Vojinovic wrote:

On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:29:52 +0200
"Patrick Dupre"  wrote:


Would you have a suggestion for a software capable of adding comments
in a pdf file?


okular

HTH, :-)
Marko




I second the vote for okular.

I use it.  Can add comments, highlight, underline or mark a block.

You can choose the colours you want to use as well.


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Re: Scanning problem with HP4620. Robin Laing: Installing scanning driver

[Robin Laing]

On 03/03/2019 06:38, Ger van Dijck wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 09:11:46 +0100, Robin Laing  
wrote:



On 02/12/2018 10:34, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 17:12 +0100, Ger van Dijck wrote:

Hi all,


After an update to Fedora29 I can print but not scan anymore with a HP
officejet 4620 in WLAN.

When running HP-check I get two messages : cups required incompat : 
cups

may nt be installed or running .
 cups is installed and 
running.


 python3-notify2 needs 
to be

installed : Question where can I "find it"

Has anyone the same experience ?

 Obvious question: have you installed the hplip package?
 poc


Not sure about your printer but with our HP printer, we have to 
reinstall the HP proprietary scanning driver every so often.


HP LaserJet 400 series.





Hi Robin ,


  A little outdated and maybe a not so intelligent question : Can you 
explain me how I can reinstall the HP proprietary scanning driver for 
the HP4620 ?? Poc and Ed Greshko pionted uot that cups is running , 
HPlip is installed and you could follow the problems in the various 
emails with hp-check.





Regards ,


Ger van Dijck.


Bit late but I always just open Xsane and it then give an HP Device 
Manager Plug-in Installer dialog.


Click Next

Another dialog opens and I select the download option and then the Next 
button.


Read and agree to the license agreement.

Then it is installed and working.




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Re: OT: F29+ alternatives to evolution for fetching and sending e-mails with multifactor authentication

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On 22/02/2019 14:58, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Dear friends,

Over the past 20 years, I have had e-mail set up in the following way:

Use fetchmail and procmail along with filtering to get things into folders, and 
then use a mailer (sylpheed for the last 15 years along with sylfilter) to read 
and send e-mail.

The biggest advantage of my approach was that I did not have to keep my MTA 
running in the background, I could keep my e-mail locally besides having 
filtering using procmail that I am able to control. Also, I have a standalone 
mail monitor which informs me of e-mails that I have and whether I should 
bother reading them. (I wrote this by modifying xbuffy for sylpheed which was 
not trivial to do).

I have survived several changes in how mail is handled, including the move to 
Outlook, with very few (ultimately minor) hiccups.

However, the IT folks at our university have decided to show that they are even 
more relevant and decided to require multifactor authentication. This brings my 
entire ability to read e-mail to a thundering stop.

The IT folks in my department have actually been very helpful and have found 
that evolution is a possible alternative for linux users. They have actually 
written a pretty detailed set of notes for RHEL which I am told also applies to 
Fedora 28+. The instructions are: 
https://www.stat.iastate.edu/evolution-mail-linux-users

My question is: are there other alternatives to evolution in using MFA? 
Evolution looks to be like Outlook which is not a surprise given that it is 
meant to, in some sense,  mimic that (from what I have gathered). However, it 
is a beast and slow (96M compared to 7.6M). Ideally, I would like an 
alternative that allows me to pull e-mail in the same manner as fetchmail, do 
the filtering and so on. However, from what I have read, evolution can be used 
in the background without actually running the client (sorry if my terminology 
is not correct).

I am also interested in continuing to use sylfilter (I am after all, also its 
maintainer on Fedora) because it would be good to continue to use a package I 
maintain.

Any alternatives and advice (including new but efficient approaches) would be 
very appreciated.

Many thanks and best wishes,
Ranjan







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I like Thunderbird and went to Davmail to get it to work in my situation.

Davmail does support MFA from their data.

I run it as a background process and then use Thunderbird as normal.

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Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

[Robin Laing]

On 01/03/2019 18:02, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 07:02 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Jonathan Ryshpan writes:


The latest drive is a replacement given to me by Seagate; they said that the
drive had failed and had to be replaced, which they did, since it was still
under warranty. It's not exactly new by refurbished. It started to beep after
being used for about 4 days.


Does anyone have an idea what's going on or how to prevent it?


The fact that this supposedly happens with drives from different
manufacturers suggests that the problem is not caused by the drives
themselves. How are you connecting these USB drives, into the system itself,
or via the USB hub. That's the only common factor, so that would be a far
more likely cause of this, and the physical proximity just leads you to
believe that it's coming from the USB drives.


The drives are connected directly to the computer via a USB link. I have 
suspected that the problem
is related to my system, however Todd Chester in another reply to my 
posting says that these cheap
drives are not to be trusted. I'm going to take his advice and build my 
own box.





Having seen so many strange things with computers and power, I, like 
many don't trust USB power to run a drive.  A powered hub may be better.


I have a USB meter that can tell me the voltage and current being 
delivered via a USB port.  I have seen the voltage drop under load, 
enough to cause devices to stutter from lack of current to keep them 
running.  Biggest villain is the cheap USB cables that cannot supply the 
necessary current.  Even within some computers.  Something like this.


https://www.amazon.ca/Lysignal-Charger-Multimeter-Voltmeter-Detector/dp/B073WVT96B/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=usb+voltmeter=1551561277=gateway=8-5

I have USB hubs but they are all self powered.  Again, many USB hubs 
also have power blocks and cheap cables that still restrict the amount 
of power to the hub.


Also, try to make sure that the backup are on their own USB controller. 
Less chance of a device taking over the USB controller chip.

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Re: Scanning problem with HP4620.

[Robin Laing]

On 02/12/2018 10:34, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 17:12 +0100, Ger van Dijck wrote:

Hi all,


After an update to Fedora29 I can print but not scan anymore with a HP
officejet 4620 in WLAN.

When running HP-check I get two messages : cups required incompat : cups
may nt be installed or running .
 cups is installed and running.

 python3-notify2 needs to be
installed : Question where can I "find it"

Has anyone the same experience ?


Obvious question: have you installed the hplip package?

poc


Not sure about your printer but with our HP printer, we have to 
reinstall the HP proprietary scanning driver every so often.


HP LaserJet 400 series.

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Re: Shredding a removable drive (OT)

[Robin Laing]

On 28/01/2019 20:30, Robert Nichols wrote:

On 1/28/19 8:03 AM, Ian Malone wrote:

I wouldn't recommend just doing /dev/zero if the CIA,
or even a moderately funded newspaper might specifically be after your
data,


I would be interested to know if you can name any data recovery service 
that has ever demonstrated the ability to recover data from a reasonably 
modern hard disk that has been overwritten once with zeros.




Wasn't there a prize years ago for any business that could demonstrate 
the ability to read a drive that was write just once?


I had an issues years ago.  I accidentally reformatted the wrong drive 
but I could recover much data.  It was not encrypted though.


Reformatting, doesn't erase any data.

As any raid user knows, rebuilding a raid with multi TB drives takes 
ages.  Why would we expect a random write to work much faster?


Robin
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strange issue with tty

[Robin Laing]

Hello,
I am trying to trace down a strange issue with one of my computers.

tty1 will display a strange character "Ĝ" instead of spaces.  Clear the 
screen and the characters fill all the blankspaces.  Reboot, the 
terminal is filled with these characters.


Other tty's (ctl+alt+F{x}) on the computer work as expected.

No X running on this computer.  Two different video cards.

I am at a loss.

I have not tried to change any settings on the computer for the tty's 
that I can remember.


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Re: New f29 install, windows 10 not detected / grub2-editenv nit

[Robin Laing]

On 09/01/2019 12:35, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 12:16 PM Hans de Goede > wrote:




>> SNIP  <<





We'll see what happens. I've recovered from worse and my son doesn't 
have any critical data anyway.


When I had this problem, I just let my son pick Windows from the BIOS as 
it is on it's own drive as well as Linux.  As he uses Windows for gaming 
on this machine, I let it boot automatically into Windows instead of Fedora.


I am lazy this way.  :)

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Re: Smallest Fedora box to use as gateway/firewall/VPN

[Robin Laing]

On 08/01/2019 17:52, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 12:10, Alex > wrote:


Hi,
I need a gateway for our new office. I'd like it to run Fedora. What
are my options? I'd like to be able to do the following:

   - provide VPN back to the main office
   - provide basic masquerading of hosts on inside network
   - be small enough to fit on a shelf. Preferably fanless
   - web-based administration
   - ssh access


Have a look at https://www.pcengines.ch/apu2.htm  These offer 2 or 3 
ethernet

ports, small form factor, and fanless.  Fedora is not a good choice for this
role unless you are willing to devote time and effort to testing new 
versions

as they appear.  In that case you would want a couple systems so each new
release could be tested before going into serivice.   Pcengines has centos7
images for apu systems.

We're experienced admins, so a simple interface isn't specifically
necessary, but desired.

It's only for a few remote office workers, so it doesn't have to be
particularly powerful, but should be responsive enough to support
regular ssh and VPN activity.


Avoid USB NIC's.     Have a look at pfSense 


--
George N. White III




Working on this as well.

I have looked at pfSense and I am also looking at OPNsense

https://opnsense.org/   

I have a friend that uses pfsense for a small network at a resort and 
does remote admin when required.  For wireless he uses dedicated access 
points.  IPFire looks interesting but it looks like it wants to be more 
than a firewall/gateway.


https://www.ipfire.org/

The one point my friend mentions is using seperate network ports for the 
various vlans and combine at the firewall.  He prefers this method for 
his network.


I would look at a fanless solution as well.  We have had some Intel 
based units that have been major problems with heat.  Needed to be in 
cool rooms all the time.  Cannot remember the name though.


pfSense has a list of recommended hardware for throughput bandwidth.

http://pfsensesetup.com/pfsense-hardware-requirements/

It is interesting to read.

Have fun.
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Re: Optical track ball with wheel

[Robin Laing]

On 15/11/2018 20:33, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 11/16/18 11:24 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

This is michigan non-fault auto insurance item, so I am not paying for it...


Oh, OK.

I use Kensington Expert Wireless Trackball Mouse (K72359WW)

http://tinyurl.com/ycsu6gwv

for example.

It is big and heavy enough that the cats don't knock it to the floor.  Also, 
comes in
wired.  But in my home the less cords the better.  :-)



I have used the wired version of this track ball for over a decade.  I 
have 4 of them, including at work.  My daughter has one at university.


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B9KH63/ref=twister_B019DMH6DO?_encoding=UTF8=1

I have worn out the micro-switches over the years and replaced them. 
Only critical issue I have had is with losing the little jewels that are 
the bearings within the mouse.  These are replaceable but not from 
Kensington.  I found a place online that sells little sapphire balls as 
replacements.  The pad is replaceable from Kensington.


My son has broken one during some high intensity gaming, it was repaired 
with some superglue.  He hit it hard enough to break some of the plastic.


You have to clean the lint and other crud from the ruby jewels every 
once in a while but that is not hard to do.  Be careful so you do not 
lose any of the jewels.


I have not used the wireless as I don't like batteries or running out of 
charge at the wrong time.


I have never had an issue with Linux and this trackball.

Nice big ball.  5cm diameter.  No strain on the thumb when trying to do 
some work.  Can use the palm of your hand to control the pointer. 
Finger or thumb to use the scroll wheel.  You can program the buttons 
but I find the defaults are what I have grown used too.


I have used my trackball with severe tendinitis and no issues.  My son 
has used his with a broken finger for gaming.  With proper adjustment of 
chair, table/keyboard tray, there is no need to move your shoulder while 
using it.


Robin
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Thank you - F27 to F29 upgrade

[Robin Laing]

I just wanted to say thank you to the developers of the upgrade.

I upgraded two machines to F29 from F27 with only one small issue 
related to a 32bit library used by Wine.


I liked the boot screen showing which packages were being installed and 
the increasing icon.


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Re: Turning off LEDs on MSI GM10 gaming mouse

[Robin Laing]

On 20/09/2018 18:57, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 9/21/18 8:22 AM, George N. White III wrote:

Some wireless mice do work with some USB KVM's, so wireless may still
be an option.


Besides, Kensington makes a wired USB trackball.

https://www.kensington.com/us/us/4493/k64325/expert-mouse-wired-trackball

So, that option exists as well.  One just has to do a bit of looking.






I would recommend these as well.

I have used one for over a decade.  Presently have 3 in the house and 1 
at work.


Only issue that requires replacement of the trackball I have had is 
losing one of the jewels that the track ball runs on.  Found a place 
that sells sapphire balls that are the same size to replace the lost 
ones.  Ball bearings from a bearing do not last long.  You do need 
sapphire or ruby.


My son broke his while gaming.  It is very old and will need to be 
replaced as I lost some of the parts from where it broke.  Still working 
with a bit of super glue.


The big ball is replaceable as well as the foam wrist rest at the base.

Micro-switches inside the trackball are cheap and easy to replace.

With some practice, I can do CAD drawings with mine.

The ball is 55mm in diameter.

I have not customized mine as I never really needed any changes from the 
default.


Robin
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Processes not closing on logout

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I have a large number of processes that don't close on logout and it 
creates problems if I want to unmount the partition that is used by that 
user.



Most look related to gnome which I am not running in KDE.

I start with sddm as a login manager.
I use multiple sessions and if I open a different user, I end up with 
these most of these processes for that user.


How do I find out what process is causing the other processes to not 
close on logout?


/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --session --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile 
--systemd-activation --syslog-only

/usr/libexec/mission-control-5
/usr/libexec/dconf-service
/usr/libexec/gvfsd
/usr/libexec/gvfsd-fuse /run/user/1100/gvfs -f -o big_writes
/usr/libexec/tracker-store
/usr/libexec/gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
/usr/libexec/at-spi-bus-launcher
/bin/dbus-daemon 
--config-file=/usr/share/defaults/at-spi2/accessibility.conf --nofork 
--print-address 3

/usr/libexec/gconfd-2
/usr/libexec/gvfsd-metadata
/usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/hp-systray --force-startup
/usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/hp-systray --force-startup
/usr/libexec/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.30 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/0
/usr/libexec/gvfsd-network --spawner :1.30 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/1
/usr/libexec/gvfsd-dnssd --spawner :1.30 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/3

It is frustrating if I want to unmount the user partition as it is kept 
open by these processes.

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Re: Help debug a network issue

[Robin Laing]

On 26/03/18 11:57, Ulf Volmer wrote:

On 26.03.2018 08:40, Robin Laing wrote:


sudo modprobe -r r8169
sudo modprobe r1869

So, what is my next step in finding out why this won't restart on suspend?


you can place a script for automatically load/unload your network driver.

see

https://blog.christophersmart.com/2016/05/11/running-scripts-before-and-after-suspend-with-systemd/

best regards
Ulf



This works.

Thanks.

This is the scrip I used.


#!/bin/sh
if [ "${1}" == "pre" ]; then
  # Do the thing you want before suspend here, e.g.:
#  echo "we are suspending at $(date)..." > /tmp/systemd_suspend_test
  modprobe -r r8169
elif [ "${1}" == "post" ]; then
  # Do the thing you want after resume here, e.g.:
#   echo "...and we are back from $(date)" >> /tmp/systemd_suspend_test
  modprobe r8169
fi


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Re: Help debug a network issue

[Robin Laing]

I have been busy and unable to look at this until today.

On 26/03/18 01:05, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 03/25/2018 07:45 PM, Robin Laing wrote:

Network controller is:

Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 
PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)


Module is:

Kernel modules: r8169


That's the right driver.  One thing you could try is after removing the 
module, try "modprobe r8169 debug=n" where n is a number up to 16.  That 
will give you more debugging info in the log.  Careful, 16 might really 
spam the log, so maybe start at 8 and work your way up.


Going to 16 didn't make any difference from 10.

Apr 13 14:03:41 tdllap kernel: r8169 :04:00.0: can't disable ASPM; 
OS doesn't have ASPM control
Apr 13 14:03:41 tdllap kernel: r8169 :04:00.0 eth0: RTL8168g/8111g 
at 0xef2b4190, 40:16:7e:10:e0:9a, XID 0c000880 IRQ 34
Apr 13 14:03:41 tdllap kernel: r8169 :04:00.0 eth0: jumbo features 
[frames: 9200 bytes, tx checksumming: ko]

Apr 13 14:03:41 tdllap kernel: r8169 :04:00.0 enp4s0: renamed from eth0
Apr 13 14:03:41 tdllap kernel: r8169 :04:00.0 enp4s0: link down
Apr 13 14:03:44 tdllap kernel: r8169 :04:00.0 enp4s0: link up



not ready


The driver is saying that there is no link detected.  Are the lights on? 
  What does "ethtool enp4s0" tell you?




Link lights on switch come up when lid closed and opened without 
reloading the network driver.


ethtool shows Link detected: no which is interesting.


Looking further into the log files, I don't seen any mention of r1869 
before March 17 when I tried to make a change to the boot parameters 
from something I found on the net which was almost a month after the 
problem started.


pci=nomsi,noaer


I would suggest removing this.

My guess, given that reloading the driver makes it work again, is that 
after resume, the driver is not turning some part of the chipset back 
on.  Maybe the interrupts are getting turned back on.


 > Mar 26 01:07:55 xx kernel: do_IRQ: 7.33 No irq handler for vector

What does "grep r8169 /proc/interrupts" give you when the interface is 
working?  Try it a couple of times and see how the numbers change.  Then 
when it's not working try it again a few times and see if the numbers 
are still changing.


This is from /proc/interupts and doesn't change between suspends or 
disappear.  It is there from boot until I remove the module.


 34:  0  0  0  0125  0 
0175  IR-PCI-MSI 2097152-edge  enp4s0


It used to work until February but I don't know what update affected it 
as I wasn't told until a few kernel updates that there was an issue.


What I found that is when I load the module, lsmod give me this.
r8169  94208  0
mii16384  1 r8169

I am going to look more at the mii-tool and see if that has anything to 
do with it.


I did find another thread about kernel modules being broken in February 
and specifically mentioning r8169 module not reloading on suspend.


https://forum.manjaro.org/t/linux415-r8168-cant-connect-to-the-network-after-suspend-to-ram/39557/4

https://forum.manjaro.org/t/kernel-update-broke-ethernet-driver-realtek-r8168-r8169/39551/4

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Re: Help debug a network issue

[Robin Laing]

On 25/03/18 17:34, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 03/25/2018 02:49 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
I am trying to trace down a problem with a laptop that when it goes 
into suspend for any reason, the network won't come back up.  Only a 
reboot will enable the wired network.


Have you tried unloading and reloading the kernel module?


The only indication of any issue is an error message that pops up.
 kernel: do_IRQ: 7.33 No irq handler for vector.


These messages are usually benign.

I would like to find more details but if I cannot I will just file a 
bug against the kernel.


Have you checked the journal for the time around the resume?  Note that 
the first chunk of messages at the resume time are actually from the end 
of the suspend before the resume.


It would also be useful to know the network chipset.  "lspci -v" will 
tell you both the chipset and the kernel driver being used.  After 
resume, try doing "modprobe -r ", then if that was 
successful, do "modprobe " and see if that fixes it.

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Finally got to try the modprobe and it did restart the network.

sudo modprobe -r r8169
sudo modprobe r1869

So, what is my next step in finding out why this won't restart on suspend?


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Re: Help debug a network issue

[Robin Laing]

On 25/03/18 17:34, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 03/25/2018 02:49 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
I am trying to trace down a problem with a laptop that when it goes 
into suspend for any reason, the network won't come back up.  Only a 
reboot will enable the wired network.


Have you tried unloading and reloading the kernel module?


The only indication of any issue is an error message that pops up.
 kernel: do_IRQ: 7.33 No irq handler for vector.


These messages are usually benign.

I would like to find more details but if I cannot I will just file a 
bug against the kernel.


Have you checked the journal for the time around the resume?  Note that 
the first chunk of messages at the resume time are actually from the end 
of the suspend before the resume.


It would also be useful to know the network chipset.  "lspci -v" will 
tell you both the chipset and the kernel driver being used.  After 
resume, try doing "modprobe -r ", then if that was 
successful, do "modprobe " and see if that fixes it.

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I have looked through the journal logs before but still learning journalctl.


Looking through my notes, the problem seems to start around Feb 26.




Network controller is:

Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 
PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)


Module is:

Kernel modules: r8169

From journal
The lid closed is detected and network manager shuts down the connection.

Network name is enp4s0


Start of suspend

Mar 25 21:31:44 xx NetworkManager[7949]:   [1522013504.0482] 
device (enp4s0): state change: activated -> deactivating (reason 
'sleeping', internal state 'managed')


Mar 25 21:31:44 xx NetworkManager[7949]:   [1522013504.0920] 
device (enp4s0): state change: deactivating -> disconnected (reason 
'sleeping', internal state 'managed')
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Withdrawing address record for 
2001:56a:7680:b500:4216:7eff:fe10:e09a on enp4s0.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx NetworkManager[7949]:   [1522013504.0926] dhcp6 
(enp4s0): canceled DHCP transaction
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on 
interface enp4s0.IPv6 with address 2001:56a:7680:b500:4216:7eff:fe10:e09a.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Joining mDNS multicast group on 
interface enp4s0.IPv6 with address fe80::4216:7eff:fe10:e09a.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Registering new address record 
for fe80::4216:7eff:fe10:e09a on enp4s0.*.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Withdrawing address record for 
fe80::4216:7eff:fe10:e09a on enp4s0.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on 
interface enp4s0.IPv6 with address fe80::4216:7eff:fe10:e09a.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Interface enp4s0.IPv6 no longer 
relevant for mDNS.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Withdrawing address record for 
192.168.1.21 on enp4s0.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on 
interface enp4s0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.21.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx avahi-daemon[7862]: Interface enp4s0.IPv4 no longer 
relevant for mDNS.
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx NetworkManager[7949]:   [1522013504.0950] 
device (enp4s0): state change: disconnected -> unmanaged (reason 
'sleeping', internal state 'managed')
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx nm-dispatcher[9588]: req:2 'down' [enp4s0]: new 
request (6 scripts)
Mar 25 21:31:44 xx nm-dispatcher[9588]: req:2 'down' [enp4s0]: start 
running ordered scripts...


Start of open lid from suspend

Mar 25 21:33:45 xx NetworkManager[7949]:   [1522013625.9934] 
device (enp4s0): state change: unmanaged -> unavailable (reason 
'managed', internal state 'managed')
Mar 25 21:33:45 xx kernel: IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): enp4s0: link is 
not ready

Mar 25 21:33:46 xx kernel: r8169 :04:00.0 enp4s0: link down
Mar 25 21:33:46 xx kernel: IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): enp4s0: link is 
not ready



This laptop is using KDE and sddm.  Is there a

Looking further through the log files at another suspend today I came 
across this.


Mar 26 01:07:54 xx kernel: r8169 :04:00.0 enp4s0: link down

Also, I find this but not sure if it is related.


Mar 26 01:07:54 xx audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 
ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=NetworkManager-dispatcher comm="systemd" 
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=success'
Mar 26 01:07:55 xx ModemManager[1116]:   Couldn't check support 
for device at '/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1c.2/:03:00.0': not 
supported by any plugin
Mar 26 01:07:55 xx  ModemManager[1116]:   Couldn't check support 
for device at '/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1c.3/:04:00.0': not 
supported by any plugin

Mar 26 01:07:55 xx kernel: do_IRQ: 7.33 No irq handler for vector


Looking further into the log fi

Help debug a network issue

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I am trying to trace down a problem with a laptop that when it goes into 
suspend for any reason, the network won't come back up.  Only a reboot 
will enable the wired network.


This problem started in February after a kernel update with Fedora 26. 
Upgraded to Fedora 27 today and the problem still persists.  I was 
hoping it would be fixed.


The only indication of any issue is an error message that pops up.
kernel: do_IRQ: 7.33 No irq handler for vector.

I would like to find more details but if I cannot I will just file a bug 
against the kernel.


Robin
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Re: Adding an application to Fedora

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On 22/03/18 06:37, chicago wrote:

Start by writing a bug report and following up at least once a week.



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I have done that.  Someone else was asking.

thank you.
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Re: Adding an application to Fedora

[Robin Laing]

On 22/03/18 05:17, Markku Kolkka wrote:

Robin Laing kirjoitti 22.3.2018 klo 2.20:

Hello,

There is some discussion on a different list about adding an application
to Fedora.  I looked at the web site
 https://developer.fedoraproject.org/start.html

and is this all that someone starts from?


No, that page is for people that want to use Fedora as a development
platform. To start adding/maintaining packages for FDedora OS itself
see:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers?rd=PackageMaintainers/Join



How about taking over a project that seems abandoned?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Orphaned_package_that_need_new_maintainers#Claiming_Ownership_of_an_Orphaned_Package



Thank you.

I will pass this on to whom was asking.

Robin
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Adding an application to Fedora

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

There is some discussion on a different list about adding an application 
to Fedora.  I looked at the web site

https://developer.fedoraproject.org/start.html

and is this all that someone starts from?


How about taking over a project that seems abandoned?

Thanks in advance.

Robin
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Re: Firefox Quantum and Firefox ESR on the same machine

[Robin Laing]

On 26/02/18 20:07, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On 2/27/18, Robin Laing <me...@telusplanet.net> wrote:

Hi, I need to use Java within Firefox for some network tools that
require it.  Is there a way to use both Firefox Quantum and Firefox ESR
on the same machine?

I spend quite some time to get Quantum to work close to what I and I
don't want to lose that.

Robin


Yes, Robin,

What I do is download the AppImage build of Firefox.
https://dl.bintray.com/probono/AppImages/:Firefox-57.0.4.glibc2.3.4-x86_64.AppImage

And then rename it firefox-latest, put it somewhere on your $PATH

Then have the ESR version installed by your package manager

You might want to use separate user-profiles... eg make both launchers
use the -P command line option to invoke the Profile Manager window
upon launch. This allows you to have separate profiles for each and
avoid any conflict with addons or differences between versions...

FC
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Thanks for the quick response.

I would rather do it the other way and have the ESR version as the 
firefox-oldest.


A separate profile is a great idea and I normally use different accounts 
for most of my stuff if possible.  Helps to keep my stuff separate and 
less finger issues.  :)


Will try it tonight.

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Firefox Quantum and Firefox ESR on the same machine

[Robin Laing]

Hi, I need to use Java within Firefox for some network tools that 
require it.  Is there a way to use both Firefox Quantum and Firefox ESR 
on the same machine?


I spend quite some time to get Quantum to work close to what I and I 
don't want to lose that.


Robin
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Re: End of i686 Support

[Robin Laing]

On 03/09/17 09:53, Jeff Backus wrote:

Hello Fedora!

As you may or may not be aware, there is an active discussion on the 
development side as to whether or not we continue to support the x86 
architecture.


There are a lot of exciting things happening within the Fedora community 
on top of the amazing and significant effort we put into making sure 
Fedora is stable, robust, and on the bleeding edge. And unfortunately, 
the contributors doing all of this work are a limited resource so we 
have to prioritize where we focus our attention.


Since x86-based hardware isn't very common anymore, it is understandable 
that most of the development side of the community is ready to move on 
and focus on other things that directly impact them. However, some of us 
still have a desire to see Fedora continue to support this venerable 
architecture.


Is x86 support still important to you? If so, then come join us! We need 
all of the help we can get. Not a developer? No problem! We still need 
people with hardware to help us evaluate software.


For those interested, you can find more information on the x86 
Architectures page:

    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/x86

You can also find us on the x86 mailing list:
    x...@lists.fedoraproject.org

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/x86.lists.fedoraproject.org/


We're also holding an organizational meeting on IRC in #fedora-meeting-2 
on September 6th at 1900 UTC. We'd love to see you there!


jeff



Myself have two i686 machines running.  One will be disposed of in the 
next month or two.  The second one is great for emergencies and as a 
travel (where stupid spy/scan laws prevail) throw away computer.


If support is dropped, the second machine will survive on the latest 
version that runs it until hardware is dead.


My choice is to see i686 to finally end.

On the other side of the coin, support for economies where used 
computers are being used, as the cost of new hardware is beyond the 
level of income for these locations.  i686 is a way to provide a working 
computer system without the extra costs.  Support for many of these 
machines may be necessary to provide a level of security.


BUT.  How many of these places are actually running Linux at all?  This 
is a question to be asked.  If the usage is small, then dropping support 
may be an matter of economy of development resources.


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Re: f26 KDE Install fail - SSD

[Robin Laing]

On 16/07/17 20:44, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/17/17 10:31, Robin Laing wrote:

Now the issue is, is the problem the old laptop or the installer not 
partitioning
the drive properly.



One other thing.

You can boot the Live image and see if "parted" is included and see if you can
manually partition the drive successfully.





Have not tried to partition the drive other than the installer on that 
laptop.  As it is old, we pulled the drive today and did some other work 
on the laptop.  Until we get a new BIOS battery into the machine, it is 
on hold.  Will test as soon as the battery is replace.


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Re: f26 KDE Install fail - SSD

[Robin Laing]

On 16/07/17 02:00, Robin Laing wrote:

Hello,

Trying to help someone install F26 on an older laptop that has just had 
the HDD replaces with an SSD.  The SSD was used for a short time on a 
different machine.


A couple of install attempts with the KDE live stick were a big failure 
when formatting the partitions.  CPU usage (dual core) went to 100% on 
both cores and then died.


SSD was partitioned but not formatted.

I have no experience with SSD troubles but this seems strange for a 
little used drive to not be able to be formatted.


Could the formatting issues be related to partitions not being on the 
end of the virtual cylinders?


Will test later once we get the drive out of the laptop to see if we can 
partition and format it.


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Took drive out of laptop and put in a carrier and found that the 
partitions were totally screwed.  According to cfdisk, the partitions 
left over 1E bytes free.  I would love to have an SSD with over an 
Exabyte of space.


Repartitioned the drive with cfdisk, created the luks containers and 
formatted with no errors.


Now the issue is, is the problem the old laptop or the installer not 
partitioning the drive properly.


Robin


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f26 KDE Install fail - SSD

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

Trying to help someone install F26 on an older laptop that has just had 
the HDD replaces with an SSD.  The SSD was used for a short time on a 
different machine.


A couple of install attempts with the KDE live stick were a big failure 
when formatting the partitions.  CPU usage (dual core) went to 100% on 
both cores and then died.


SSD was partitioned but not formatted.

I have no experience with SSD troubles but this seems strange for a 
little used drive to not be able to be formatted.


Could the formatting issues be related to partitions not being on the 
end of the virtual cylinders?


Will test later once we get the drive out of the laptop to see if we can 
partition and format it.


Robin Laing
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Re: System alive but can't access from the monitor

[Robin Laing]

On 03/04/17 13:54, Tim Jackson wrote:

To add to this thread, I have the exact same problem using fully-updated
(as of today, including libdrm-2.4.76-1) F25, GNOME and X11 session. To
be a bit more specific: for me, when the problem occurs (after the
screen locks and the monitors power down), I *can* "wake up" the screen,
*and* I get a (moveable) mouse cursor, but behind the cursor is just a
static copy of whatever happened to be on the screen prior to it going
to sleep. In most cases, black (presumably because GNOME blanked the
screen prior to lock). Or, if I happened to be on the login screen when
the monitors went to sleep, possibly a static copy of the login screen.

As outlined by previous posters, I can't find any way out of this other
than hard rebooting, which is a pretty nasty solution if I had unsaved
stuff.

On one occasion, the machine apparently fully crashed (not even
pingable), but I can't reproduce that.

The following kernels are affected:

kernel-4.10.5-200.fc25.x86_64
kernel-4.10.6-200.fc25.x86_64

If I roll back to kernel-4.9.14-200.fc25.x86_64 the problem goes away.

lspci -k -nn says:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF119
[GeForce GT 610] [10de:104a] (rev a1)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:840d]
Kernel driver in use: nouveau
Kernel modules: nouveau

I have two screens connected via DVI and HDMI respectively.

To answer Ed Greshko's debugging questions:


1.  Are you using the nouveau driver or the nVidia driver for your card?


nouveau. In fact this is a pretty fresh install of Fedora all round,
without much extra.


2.  Are you running GNOME under Wayland or X11?


X11.


If you are using X11, and since you can ssh into  the system, what is
the output if you do...
ssh systemB
export DISPLAY=:0
xrandr


The following (which is exactly the same as under a normal working
session):

Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2560 x 1024, maximum 16384 x 16384
DVI-I-1 connected 1280x1024+1280+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y
axis) 338mm x 270mm
   1280x1024 60.02 +  75.02*
   1152x864  75.00
   1024x768  75.0360.00
   800x600   75.0060.32
   640x480   75.0059.94
   720x400   70.08
HDMI-1 connected primary 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x
axis y axis) 338mm x 270mm
   1280x1024 60.02 +  75.02*
   1152x864  75.00
   1024x768  75.0360.00
   800x600   75.0060.32
   640x480   75.0059.94
   720x400   70.08


Using my system as an example, does doing something like this bring the
monitor back?
[snip xrandr blah --off, xrandr blah --auto]


Note that from my description, the monitors are already on and awake, so
they don't really need to be "brought back". But sure, turning them off
and on with xrandr turns them off and on again. It doesn't change the
underlying problem.

Is there any known BZ about this?

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Looks like bugzill 1435000 is the one we are looking at.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1435000

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Re: System alive but can't access from the monitor

[Robin Laing]

On 31/03/17 23:28, Paolo Galtieri wrote:

I have 2 F25 systems, the problem I'm seeing with the monitor not coming
back from sleep only happens on one of them.  I did a grep for nouveau
on the 2 systems in /var/log/messages.  There are no messages including
nouveau on the system that does not exhibit the problem. This system has
an Intel graphics controller. On this system lspci shows

 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)


On the one that exhibits the problem I see the following:

Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: NVIDIA G86
(086100a2)
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: bios: version
60.86.37.00.51
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: bios: M0203T not
found
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: bios: M0203E not
matched!
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: fb: 512 MiB DDR2
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: VRAM: 512 MiB
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: GART:
1048576 MiB
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: TMDS table
version 2.0
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB version
4.0
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp
00: 02000300 0028
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp
01: 01000302 0030
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp
02: 04011310 0028
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp
03: 010223f1 00c0c080
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn
00: 1030
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn
01: 0100
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn
02: 0210
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn
03: 0211
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn
04: 0213
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: failed to
create encoder 0/1/0: -19
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: TV-1 has no
encoders, removing
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: MM: using
CRYPT for buffer copies
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: allocated
1920x1080 fb: 0x7, bo 9b51add56800
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: fbcon: nouveaufb (fb0) is primary device
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: fb0: nouveaufb
frame buffer device
Mar 31 15:29:31 jackstraw kernel: [drm] Initialized nouveau 1.3.1
20120801 for :01:00.0 on minor 0

On this system lspci shows:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [GeForce 8500
GT] (rev a1)

This problem occurs on both 4.10.5 AN 4.10.6

Paolo

On 03/31/2017 04:08 PM, Robin Laing wrote:

On 30/03/17 01:35, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 03/30/17 14:24, Paolo Galtieri wrote:

Folks,
  I have 2 F25 systems that have been updated today.  These 2 systems
share a monitor.  One system is attached via a kvm switch to the
monitor, the other system is attached via hdmi.  This morning and
twice this evening a problem has started to manifest itself. This
configuration has been working fine for several years.  I will call
the systems A and B, system A is attached to the monitor via hdmi,
system B via VGA.  If I switch to system A for a while and then try to
switch back to system B the monitor instead of staying on VGA cycles
from VGA to DVI to HDMI and returns to system A.  I can ssh into
system B and everything looks fine, i.e. things that were running
under my user id are still running, e.g. chrome and firefox. I looked
at /var/log/messages and I see this:

Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopping User Manager for UID 0...
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Default.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Basic System.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Sockets.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Closed D-Bus User Message Bus
Socket.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Timers.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Paths.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Reached target Shutdown.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Starting Exit the Session...
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Received SIGRTMIN+24 from PID 17588
(kill).

This was at the time I switched from system A to system B. Each of
the other times I saw this problem I see the same set of messages in
the log file.  Can someone explain what they mean and could they be
the cause of the problem?

I see the same messages on the other system, but there they were part
of other messages related to rebooting the system.

The only way I can recover is reboot the system.

Here's my video card info:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [GeForce
8500 GT] (rev a1)

Any assistance is appreciated.


Since everything

Re: System alive but can't access from the monitor

[Robin Laing]

On 30/03/17 01:35, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 03/30/17 14:24, Paolo Galtieri wrote:

Folks,
  I have 2 F25 systems that have been updated today.  These 2 systems
share a monitor.  One system is attached via a kvm switch to the
monitor, the other system is attached via hdmi.  This morning and
twice this evening a problem has started to manifest itself.  This
configuration has been working fine for several years.  I will call
the systems A and B, system A is attached to the monitor via hdmi,
system B via VGA.  If I switch to system A for a while and then try to
switch back to system B the monitor instead of staying on VGA cycles
from VGA to DVI to HDMI and returns to system A.  I can ssh into
system B and everything looks fine, i.e. things that were running
under my user id are still running, e.g. chrome and firefox. I looked
at /var/log/messages and I see this:

Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopping User Manager for UID 0...
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Default.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Basic System.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Sockets.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Closed D-Bus User Message Bus Socket.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Timers.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Stopped target Paths.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Reached target Shutdown.
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Starting Exit the Session...
Mar 29 23:00:02 jackstraw systemd: Received SIGRTMIN+24 from PID 17588
(kill).

This was at the time I switched from system A to system B.  Each of
the other times I saw this problem I see the same set of messages in
the log file.  Can someone explain what they mean and could they be
the cause of the problem?

I see the same messages on the other system, but there they were part
of other messages related to rebooting the system.

The only way I can recover is reboot the system.

Here's my video card info:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [GeForce
8500 GT] (rev a1)

Any assistance is appreciated.


Since everything is still running as it was it sounds similar to
problems with monitors not coming back from sleep.

Couple of questions.

1.  Are you using the nouveau driver or the nVidia driver for your card?
2.  Are you running GNOME under Wayland or X11?

If you are using X11, and since you can ssh into  the system, what is
the output if you do...

ssh systemB
export DISPLAY=:0
xrandr

Using my system as an example, does doing something like this bring the
monitor back?

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ acer
Last login: Thu Mar 30 15:24:26 2017 from 192.168.1.18
[egreshko@acer ~]$ export DISPLAY=:0

[egreshko@acer ~]$ xrandr
Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1280 x 800, maximum 8192 x 8192
VGA-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
TV-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
LVDS-0 connected primary 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis
y axis) 331mm x 207mm
   1280x800  59.91*+
HDMI-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)

[egreshko@acer ~]$ xrandr --output LVDS-0 --off
[egreshko@acer ~]$ xrandr --output LVDS-0 --auto




With the last two kernels, using the nouveau driver, I am having graphic 
issues.  I can open a session but once the screen locks, then I cannot 
get back to the desktop session.


Using KDE from sddm and Xorg.  These are in the dmesg output.

[8.664136] nouveau :01:00.0: NVIDIA G84 (084000a2)
[8.787588] nouveau :01:00.0: bios: version 60.84.55.00.08
[8.808963] nouveau :01:00.0: fb: 512 MiB GDDR3
[8.859472] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: VRAM: 512 MiB
[8.859476] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: GART: 1048576 MiB
[8.859484] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: TMDS table version 2.0
[8.859488] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB version 4.0
[8.859494] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 00: 02000300 0028
[8.859499] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 01: 01000302 0030
[8.859503] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 02: 04011310 0028
[8.859507] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 03: 02011312 0030
[8.859511] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB outp 04: 010223f1 00c0c080
[8.859515] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 00: 1030
[8.859518] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 01: 2130
[8.859522] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 02: 0210
[8.859525] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 03: 0211
[8.859529] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: DCB conn 04: 0213
[8.865523] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: failed to create encoder
0/1/0: -19
[8.865528] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: TV-1 has no encoders, removing
[8.865830] nouveau :01:00.0: hwmon_device_register() is
deprecated. Please convert the driver to use
hwmon_device_register_with_info().
[8.877852] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: MM: using CRYPT for buffer copies
[8.938575] nouveau :01:00.0: DRM: allocated 1920x1080 fb:
0x7, bo 936ca13d1c00
[8.940133] fbcon: nouveaufb (fb0) is 

Re: avahi mdns configuration question.

[Robin Laing]

On 11/01/17 11:54, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 01/10/2017 09:58 PM, Robin Laing wrote:

Hello,

I am trying to get mdns to work on my local network.  I want all the
different computers to broadcast or at least allow their mdns host names
to be found by the router.

As more devices are appearing, I am seeing them in the router list but
not any of the Fedora machines.

I have searched but I cannot find anything that is allowing the router
to get the host name under zeroconfig.

Am I looking at the wrong configuration or is it not possible.  The
router sees the computers when they boot into Windows.


Do you have mdns open on your Fedora machines' firewalls (TCP/UDP port
5353)?
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services mdns is enabled.

ports: 5353/udp 5353/tcp


Both ports are open.


With the reading that I did last night, it may be related to the domain 
name that I have set up on my machines.  I set them up as localdomain, 
instead of local.  From what I am reading, local is the required domain.


Will start playing and see what happens.

Robin
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avahi mdns configuration question.

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I am trying to get mdns to work on my local network.  I want all the 
different computers to broadcast or at least allow their mdns host names 
to be found by the router.


As more devices are appearing, I am seeing them in the router list but 
not any of the Fedora machines.


I have searched but I cannot find anything that is allowing the router 
to get the host name under zeroconfig.


Am I looking at the wrong configuration or is it not possible.  The 
router sees the computers when they boot into Windows.


Robin
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Re: Down(up)grading from desktop to server

[Robin Laing]

On 21/11/16 23:19, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 11/21/2016 09:00 PM, Robin Laing wrote:

I have an old desktop that is being re-purposed to a file server.  What
is the best procedure with F25 coming out.  Presently running F23.

As a desktop, it was dual purpose but now will be just a file server.

Is it better to just remove the extra packages manually before the
upgrade or to remove some and upgrade the rest?


It's not clear me what the difference is between these two options. They
sound the same to me.


I don't want to rebuild the whole system from scratch as I have a number
of systems to do that to already.


There is no need to remove the extra packages, but if you're concerned
about them or want the disk space back, then I would remove them before
doing the upgrade.  Less packages to download and quicker upgrade time.
If you just don't want the desktop login running or available, then you
could change the default run target to multiuser instead of graphical.
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This machine is going to be just a file server for DLNA so doesn't meed 
many packages.


Disk space is not an issue so I guess I will just upgrade over the next 
couple of days and see what happens.  Know I have to get rid of 
rpmfusion nvidia driver due to issues.


Thank you.

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Re: grub recovery

[Robin Laing]

On 20/11/16 20:19, Tod Merley wrote:

The grub command line shell affords you the opportunity to find out what
has happened.  But you need to take the time to learn how to use it.  I
think it would be well worth your time for you and for us.  Then we know
what happened.

You are booting to grub.

Q1:  Is this in a secure boot environment for from a "legacy" configuration?

Q2: What did Windows do?  Changed the name and UUID of a partition?  Format
your Linux partition?   What has happened.

I have gone to not doing dual boot with Windows simply because they do not
wish to play well with other OS.

Would a good solution be to learn how to dual boot from Windows using their
boot loader redirection?

Have a lot of fun!

Tod

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 1:15 PM, peterlesterh...@telfort.nl <
peterlesterh...@telfort.nl> wrote:


Hi,
After a Windows update my (dual boot) system won't boot into fedora
anymore.
Somehow the grub bootloader doesn' t start.

After booting this is what I see:



*Minimal Bash-like line editing is supported. For the first word TAB lists
possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or
file completions.grub>_*

When I issue the command "exit" the Windows bootloader pops up.

I googled on this subject, but found many completely different answers.
I would appreciate any suggestion. How can I recover my system?




I was shocked with Windows 8 to Windows 10 upgrade last summer.  Went 
smooth and DIDN'T mess with my Fedora installation.  In fact nothing 
changed.


I did the upgrade of Windows expecting to spend a day cleaning the 
Fedora and upgrading from 23 to 24.  I was done both in less than 3 
hours.  Plenty of time to sit back and relax.


Yes, secure boot.
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Down(up)grading from desktop to server

[Robin Laing]

I have an old desktop that is being re-purposed to a file server.  What 
is the best procedure with F25 coming out.  Presently running F23.


sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=25


As a desktop, it was dual purpose but now will be just a file server.

Is it better to just remove the extra packages manually before the 
upgrade or to remove some and upgrade the rest?


I don't want to rebuild the whole system from scratch as I have a number 
of systems to do that to already.



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Re: encrypted partitions

[Robin Laing]

On 20/08/16 05:03, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

On a laptop, I would like to setup 2 encrypted partitions with the same
passphrase (this is easy). Now, when I boot the laptop, I would like to have
to provide the passphrase only one time.
Is it possible?

Thank.



Look at Pam_mount.

I use pam_mount to mount users encrypted home directories.  You can set 
it up to mount where ever you want to use the drive.


This way, the system phrase and drive pass phrase can be different. 
User data is protected by their login password.


Only issue I have had is KDE doesn't always fully release the drive so 
it won't always unmount on logout.


Robin

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Re: Seeking advice on router.

[Robin Laing]

On 20/08/16 09:44, Erik P. Olsen wrote:

I have a linksys router model WRT160NL but the range is too short. I
experience many situations where the connection is dropped when the
distance from the router is more than 25 feet. What is the recommended
router when it comes to signal strength? I would prefer one which can be
flashed with dd-wrt.

Thanks in advance




I am looking for a new router as well but more for the security aspect 
so I want dd-wrt or other software on it to run with decent firewall and 
filter controls.


For outdoor access, there are many other routers in the area.  I 
downloaded an Android app (Wifi Analyser) that lists routers, sids, 
channels being used and signal strength for those routers.  I then 
selected channels that were the clearest for access.  What I have 
noticed is that many are higher powered routers so that is a requirement 
for getting a better signal in my yard.


I am looking for one that does have an external antenna port.

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Re: Browser Privacy

[Robin Laing]

On 25/08/16 06:41, Ahmad Samir wrote:

On 25 August 2016 at 03:14, Tim  wrote:
[...]




I used to use NoScript up until a couple of years ago when loading
pages took extra time *because of* NoScript which is just irritating.
So I ditched NoScript (which over the years became *too much*) and
switched to other methods to block troublesome javascripts, to cut the
story short, nowadays I use uMatrix[1], it's much lighter on resources
and more intuitive to use IMHO. I've seen various reports of others
using uBlock Origin (developed by the same author of uMatrix), but
personally I settled for just using uMatrix.

[1]https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/umatrix/
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Re: evercookies.

[Robin Laing]

On 24/08/16 20:51, William Mattison wrote:

(I'm replying to the entire discussion as of Wednesday evening US
Mountain time.)

I'm now wondering if evercookies can really be fully blocked.  I do
want to block what I reasonably can.  But as was pointed out, a lot
of wanted web functionality needs cookies.  So now I'm mainly focused
on getting them deleted when I close a tab or the browser.

* My Firefox is set to never remember history.  It clears all
"regular" cookies, cache, and browsing history when I exit Firefox,
right?  What about evercookies?

* Fingerprinting was mentioned.  Wikipedia has two relevant
fingerprinting articles: device (browser) fingerprinting and graphic
fingerprinting.  The device fingerprinting article makes this curious
statement: "Recently such fingerprints have proven useful in the
detection and prevention of online identity theft and credit card
fraud.  In fact, device fingerprints can be used to predict the
likelihood users will commit fraud based on their signal profile,
before they have even committed fraud." So now we're stuck in a
love-hate relationship with fingerprinting.  Having experienced
credit card fraud at least 3 times, I want what those two Wikipedia
sentences mention.  But I hate commercial sites tracking, profiling,
and targeting me.  I also understand that the advertising is needed
to have "free" content on the web.  I accept "generic"
(non-personalized) advertising that is not intrusive and not
deceptive.  The rest actually affects me opposite of what the
advertiser intents: it pushes me away!  So what / how much
fingerprinting to allow vs. try to block?

* Does NoScript block evercookies or the fingerprinting parts of
allowed scripts?

* I recently looked at Adblock Plus, and saw the same
conflict-of-interest noted by others in this discussion.  I will look
at the alternatives mentioned in this discussion.  I also saw the
separate "Browser Privacy" topic started by Drew.  I've since turned
off html5 storage, and will study the other recommendations there.

* It seems CCleaner is for windows but not Linux.  I am indeed
looking for windows-7 solutions, but I'm also looking for Fedora
solutions.  How can I clean out evercookies on my Fedora
workstation?

* Stan - In your last message on this topic, you implied you are
abandoning Adblock Plus and said you are using "tracking blockers".
Which?

Thank-you, everyone. Bill.


Cookies are one of my pet peeves.  I have tried to avoid them as much as 
possible.  I don't see any cookies on my account so I may be doing 
something right.


Better Privacy is supposed to help clear out super cookies.  As it 
states, these are long term cookies.


Cookie Controller was recommended to control cookies when Firefox
removed the "Ask Me Every Time" privacy feature.  I have not found it to
be as good as "Ask Me Every Time".

Being that the cookies re-appear when off-line, makes me think that the
cookies are evercookies or another app that uses Firefox and stores a
cookie on the system.

A plugin that I have used is "Modify Headers".  You can make your 
browser look like it is on a Windows machine and Microsoft Edge from 
your Firefox.


I also clear my history and cache on logout.  Also do this from time to 
time during my sessions which in many cases last between reboots for 
kernel updates.


There are some sites that are a problem with the tools I use and in most 
cases, I just avoid them.  For some, I need access so I have a separate 
account just for those situations where the whole browser directory is 
deleted after use.  Mainly shopping sites which have a tendency to use 
many third party sites.


Robin

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Re: Decent picture viewer

[Robin Laing]

On 17/08/16 07:53, Tethys wrote:

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Andras Simon  wrote:


In 25+ years of using linux, I haven't seen anything that comes close
to xv.


Correct answer. I've been using it since the late '80s, and it's still
the best option for the vast majority of use cases. For the few
exceptions, I tend to use geeqie (which is in the default
repositories).

Tet



I would go with geeqie as well but it doesn't support animated gifs from 
my usage.


Note, for some purposes, you HAVE to change the preferences to meet your 
needs.


Will have to try xv again.

Robin

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Re: Recommended cases and HDDs for home server

[Robin Laing]

On 19/08/16 10:41, Max Pyziur wrote:


Greetings,

I'm looking for any recommendations for both HDDs and cases for a simple
home server setup.

I have a good working mobo.

I have used a few Antec Sonata cases; are there better similar cases to
consider?


As for HDDs, any recommendations on manufacturers, branding, sizes
(don't go above ...), etc?

Much thanks.

Max Pyziur
p...@brama.com


After issues with Seagate drives, I stick with Western Digital and for 
servers, I look for NAS rated drives as they are designed for 24/7 
usage.  The extra cost I feel is worth it.  I have not had one fail on 
me yet.  Speed isn't one of my greatest concerns.


I have had Seagate drives start giving me SMART errors as soon as they 
are run.  Of course, this could be related to Seagate not wanting to 
work with Linux SMART tools from what I have read.


The largest drives I have ever used are 4TB for media files.  Looking at 
going larger with next upgrade.


As for cases, I use what I have if it works.  A server needs good 
cooling and able to be left alone.  I have added external filters to 
stop dirt ingress.  Some cases with so called filters are not that great 
and I have found, hard to clean.


For new cases, I have both Corsair and Cougar and both have their pluses 
and minuses.


Robin


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Re: F23, Nouveau, and GeForce 750 Ti

[Robin Laing]

On 02/08/16 07:06, Justin Moore wrote:

Can anyone help me understand whether VDPAU is even supported on
my hardware/kernel/driver combination, and if so, what I need to do
to get it to work?


I don't know about that, but I do know that on F24 the nouveau driver
would freeze up solid as a rock once every few days with my 750 Ti
card, so I gave up and installed the nvidia binary drivers from
rpmfusion, which have not frozen up once.


I used the NVidia drivers for a few months, but upon every reboot
I'd get the "oh no! something has gone wrong" message:

https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/69051/why-do-i-get-the-oh-no-something-has-gone-wrong-screen-when-using-the-fedora-22-live-dvd/


https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO54mV5FUh95O906IObqPZax_RhlM-sRV2NH6EZGTuVYsG6d9sr9P-L4YBndzSuKg?key=cmt4UFRFUkR1R1RJeUZic1ZoVkJwZHVMaWZ3MGd3

 Rebooting into single user and re-doing the install process for the
video drivers would work, but it was a real pain to do that every
time (the power in our neighborhood is ... finicky, so reboots are
sadly a frequent-ish occurrence).

I finally got tired of doing that on every reboot and decided to
switch over to Nouveau, but if Nouveau can't do things like hardware
acceleration on a two year-old card then I might have to switch back
to the NVidia drivers.

-jdm



The only issue I have had with the latest F23/24 is in F24 and the
latest kernel without signed drivers.  akmods-nvidia wouldn't allow the
module to be loaded if I had full secure boot.  If I select other OS in 
the BIOS, I have no issue loading the driver.


As I needed full acceleration with my video cards, I went with the 
rpmfusion akmods.



robin


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Re: Drive ordering mechanism /dev/sda /dev/sdb etc

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On 01/08/16 00:51, Philip Rhoades wrote:

People,

I know that it is possible to refer to drives by various naming
conventions:

  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Persistent_block_device_naming

but it is annoying that the "SCSI" drive (SATA and USB) order in which
their corresponding device nodes are added is arbitrary - is there some
way of forcing the order to what I want?  ie I have the boot disk as
/dev/sda of course but I want to specify the drive letter of the other
physical SATA and USB drives . .

Thanks,

Phil.



I have even noticed changes in the bios on one of my machines.  I think 
it may be related to when the drive becomes available to be assigned.  I 
added a third SSD to a machine and it was labled before the HDD, even 
when it was on a higher controller port.


I would have to do some more testing of this theory.

Robin

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Re: Date change on reboot

[Robin Laing]

On 25/07/16 08:38, Ed Greshko wrote:



On 07/25/16 22:30, Tim wrote:

Tim:

I'm sceptical, too (about that belief).  I'm inclined to believe that
story has been conjured up by someone to explain things, and everyone
else has simply gone along with it.

Joe Zeff:

Be as skeptical as you want, but it's been true ever since I got my
first PC in the late '80s, and it wasn't new then.

I'd like to see some proof that it's actually designed to run slow when
the battery goes flat, as opposed that merely being what happens.


Actually I would find it very odd that "digital" devices would run slower as a 
battery
weakens.  I mean even my battery operated clocks at home work perfectly fine 
without
losing time.  When the battery "dies" they just cease to function.




Depending on the design, the hardware clock may be very voltage 
dependent.  A small drop in battery voltage may cause the circuit to be 
slightly slow due to the way the circuit operates.  Voltage rise/fall in 
the oscillator is just that little slower due to lower current and peak 
voltage is not as high.


Many use internal components for oscillators and are not that accurate. 
For most purposes they will stay pretty close, close enough to be set at 
shutdown.


Now if the system isn't shutting down properly, then the hardware clock 
may not be getting set.


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Re: Date change on reboot

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On 31/07/16 19:16, Stephen Davies wrote:

Back to square one.

I have checked the battery and it seems fine and the hardware clock is
correct.
More recent reboots suggest that the "extra" log entries are from eight
days before the reboot.
There is nothing in the logs to suggest that the clock is being reset by
ntp (though ntp is configured). It seems more likely that the entries
come from another file somewhere.
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My F23/f24 systems use chrony to set the clocks.

Depending on the age of teh system, I would change the battery. 
Anything over 2 years and I would change battery, even if checking good.


If the issue takes you back to teh same date every time, then it is some 
program that is doing it.


If it is a set number of days, then I would look at the logs closer for 
any time setting.


I would be more concerned about the freezing at this point.  It may be 
related if the clock is causing the system to crash due to wrong time 
increment.


Is the hardware clock being set properly by the system?

Look at timedatectl to check/set.

As I recall, if the hardware and system time are too far out, then the 
hardware time won't be set properly.


Robin





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Re: dual boot - Windows 10 upgrade. [success]

[Robin Laing]

On 13/07/16 18:47, Robin Laing wrote:

I need to do the windows 10 upgrade on a dual boot laptop.  Any serious
worries I need to watch out for?

Thank you in advance.

Robin



I thought I would post my experience.

I started with the fear that it was going to create many headaches.  I 
was wrong.


I found the link to upgrade to Windows 10 off the Microsoft site and 
started the process.  Fingers crossed.


Various files were downloaded and then it was time to reboot so I did. 
I was expecting some strange issue on the boot but when the machine 
asked me to select Windows from grub, I was a bit surprised.  Of course 
this was the first boot.


Windows 10 installation started and the reboot process started.  I was 
not paying attention so when I looked again, I was being prompted for 
the Linux password.  CTRL+ALT+DEL and found that grub was still coming 
up.  Booted into windows.  All windows reboots were going to grub.


At the end, I had Windows 10 installed and tested and it was still being 
booted through grub.  I was very surprised and happy.


Booted into Fedora 23 and did the dnf upgrade with only one issue. 
Using KDE and sddm was not installed.  Booted into a terminal. 
Installed sddm and target graphical.default and all was well.


Full upgrade of both systems were done in less than 6 hours without rushing.

I guess Microsoft isn't so bad now.

Note, this machine is using GPT partitions and has secure boot enabled 
(other issues in the future).


Thanks to all that gave comments.

Robin
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Re: dual boot - Windows 10 upgrade.

[Robin Laing]

On 13/07/16 20:38, Doug wrote:


On 07/13/2016 07:47 PM, Robin Laing wrote:

I need to do the windows 10 upgrade on a dual boot laptop.  Any
serious worries I need to watch out for?

Thank you in advance.

Robin
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I did this twice. In both cases I had a dual-boot Windows plus Linux /
and /home and swap. In one case it worked perfectly. In the other case,
it turned the two Linux partitions (but not swap) into one big
"unallocated" partition. I never knew why. I did not try to rescue the
"unallocated" partition--it might have had the files and data buried in
it, but I don't know. So my best advice to you is to backup anything
you want to keep onto a USB drive or something before you do it. And of
course, Windows will almost certainly wipe out your
dual-boot, so you will have to set that back up. (Windows can't seem to
install anything big without rebooting a time or two, so it sets
up its own boot manager.) Oh, I tried to do it one other time, with some
poorly documented program that was supposed to let
Windows operate the dual-boot function. This time I wound up losing
Windows 7, so I had nothing to upgrade from. Altho I really
hardly ever use Windows, there are one or two things that I need it for,
and I usually need it on _that_ machine, so I bought a new
Win 10-Pro disk and installed it, and then reinstalled Linux. Phooey!

--doug



Hello Doug,

Thank you.

I guess I will get prepared to do an install if needed.  You confirmed 
my thoughts.


I need to upgrade the machine to Fedora 24 so I thought I would kill two 
birds with one stone and as I am prepared for Windows to screw things 
up, I will let it go first.


I tried to get windows boot manager to work as well with no success.  It 
happened when I needed the computer for work.  It was a failure.  At 
least the Linux boot was good.  That machine now has no windows.


Robin
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dual boot - Windows 10 upgrade.

[Robin Laing]

I need to do the windows 10 upgrade on a dual boot laptop.  Any serious 
worries I need to watch out for?


Thank you in advance.

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Re: Strange messages from sudo dnf repoquery --unsatisfied after upgrade from F23 to F24.

[Robin Laing]

On 05/07/16 15:31, Stephen Morris wrote:

Hi,

I have issued the command specified in the subject as recommended on
site https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade to see if there
are any old packages that should be removed because they would not be
working properly anyway, and received the following messages which to me
make no sense, unless I am completely misinterpreting the message.

The kernel mentioned in the first message is the last of the Fedora
23 kernels that is still installed after the upgrade to F24, while the
kernel listed in the 2nd message is the kernel installed by a sudo dnf
upgrade issued the day after the upgrade to F24. Hence the bottom line
is both kernels mentioned in the messages are installed, so why is dnf
reporting that it can't find them?

package kmod-nvidia-4.5.7-200.fc23.x86_64-2:367.27-1.fc24.x86_64
requires kernel-uname-r = 4.5.7-200.fc23.x86_64, but none of the
providers can be installed
package kernel-4.6.3-300.fc24.x86_64 requires kernel-core-uname-r =
4.6.3-300.fc24.x86_64, but none of the providers can be installed


regards,

Steve



Did you get to boot into F24?  You said it was "after" the upgrade?

I have upgraded in the past and got stuck with old kernels before.  A 
bit of a mess to clean up but it worked.



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Re: No video from Gigabyte GT710 graphics card

[Robin Laing]

On 05/07/16 15:28, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2016-07-06 at 05:25 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:


On 07/06/16 05:14, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2016-07-05 at 13:55 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 18:47:20 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


Enable the rpmfusion repo and then do "dnf install akmod-
nvidia- 340", followed by a reboot. NB: currently version 4.6
kernels are giving trouble with the Nvidia driver on F24.
Don't know about F22, which BTW is close to being EOLed.

Actually, the 4.6 kernel problems were fixed with a recent
update. I'm running akmod-nvidia and a 4.6 kernel right now
with update I got from rpmfusion this morning.

I checked this morning, but as I'm in Europe your morning may be
several hours later than mine :-)


To be precise, the fix was done on 7/1 and I verified on 7/2.


Wow, 7th of February. Oh, I see ...

poc




One other issue that may crop up is if you are using secure boot.  RPM
Fusion kernel mod isn't signed that EUFI will accept.  Had to turn off 
secure boot to get my nvidia working.




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Re: Nouveau, Oh No!

[Robin Laing]

On 01/07/16 05:46, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 12:40:50 +0200
Matthew Colton wrote:


Additionally, using the akmod-nvidia as opposed to relying on rpmfusion to 
supply kmods
will free you from having to wait or worry about rpmfusion repositories keeping 
in sync
with released kernels.


Yes, works like a charm. :)


Until you install a 4.6 kernel, of course, then the nvidia driver won't
compile because the helpful linux kernel devs have been changing the
internal kernel interfaces again :-).

(I'm booted back on the 4.5 kernel now).
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Thanks for the heads up.  Just about to update a new machine that 
requires the nVidia closed source drivers.


Robin
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Re: rpmfusion for F24

[Robin Laing]

On 27/06/16 17:28, Clifford Snow wrote:

I use the non free rpmfusion for Nvidia drivers. (The nouveau doesn't
work for my card, no or insufficient thermal controls.) Where is the
best place to ask for drivers compiled for the latest kernel, 4.5.7-300?

Thanks,
Clifford


Just installed a new system.  nVidia drivers wouldn't load due to secure 
boot.  Will have to sort that out as this will be a dual boot machine.


Just follow the instructions on rpmfusion web site.

http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia

Don't forget the kernel-devel like I did.  Oops

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Re: Fedora 24 install fail

[Robin Laing]

On 25/06/16 23:45, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 06/25/2016 08:58 PM, Robin Laing wrote:

Trying to install Fedoar 24 to a new machine.  System freezes on the
install just after and EDAC sbridge, - couldn't find mci handler.


It freezes while booting the installer or during the install?
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While booting the live image from USB.

I have made some progress since posting.  If I go into the 
troubleshooting and get the basic gui, I can install.


Been working with that.  Again, points to video and the nVidia Titan X.

I get an X error on booting so I am working on it but it is late and I 
am making mistakes.


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Fedora 24 install fail

[Robin Laing]

Trying to install Fedoar 24 to a new machine.  System freezes on the 
install just after and EDAC sbridge, - couldn't find mci handler.


Used to have an message about KVM before but enabled VT in bios and that 
disappeared.


Tried Fedora 24 live and Fedora 24 KDE live with the same problem.

ASUS sabertooth X99 motherboard.  Latest BIOS.
nVidia Titan X video card.

I suspect issue is with Titan X not being supported by Nouveau enough 
for install.  The matrix says it should work without some basic 
features.  https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/


Will try a different nVidia card and see if that works.

Robin



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Re: a compatibility question: AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series

[Robin Laing]

On 20/06/16 08:30, Tim wrote:

On Sat, 2016-06-18 at 00:14 +0930, Tim wrote:

Does anyone have any good/bad experience with this graphics chipset:
On-motherboard AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series


I'm keeping watch on this thread, and have seen the five replies, so
far.  I can say things for and against AMD and NVidia in general,
myself.  However, I'm hoping that someone might have some experience
with that specific chipset.

I did have a quick squiz at an AMD compatibility table, but that lists a
plethora of technical things I do not know about, and gives no clue
about general-use issues like:  Does it run reliably?  Can I run it
without tortuous configuration and special software installation.

I am not trying to do anything special (no games, etc.), just run of the
mill internet computing, and the ability to play ordinary video media,
the likes of what you may find on YouTube (which does mean some HDTV
resolutions, at full screen).

My current PC had a NVidia AGP card that went doolally.  It's been the
cause of numerous crashes while watching videos.  Pull the card out and
use the on-board graphics (Chrome, ugh!), and it can't even manage
medium definition TV (mid-way between SD and HD), but doesn't crash.
The sound goes out of sync, the frame rate goes down.  It's even a pain
to just draw the basic windows when you open things like email.

So, trying to find a viable alternative that I can buy from local shops
(where I can take things back) is becoming a priority.  Going slightly
in my favour is that Australia is always behind the rest of the world
with hardware, so what may be a new and a problem to someone overseas,
may be old and supported by the time that we can purchase it over here.



Your view are what I was thinking when I purchases an motherboard with 
integrated graphics.  Save some money.  I have had good support with 
open source drivers but using Nvidia in the past.  I wasn't looking for 
speed or anything fancy.  Go through groups of graphics and videos when 
I wanted to relax.  Had almost nightly crashes with an older series of 
cards.


If your card is supported on AMD's site then I feel it could be worth a 
try.  I personally won't purchase another mother board with on-board 
video unless it is going to be a server.  Same advise from the IT person 
at work and a good friend of mine that runs a small resort network.


We think it is a memory issue due to the shared memory.

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Re: a compatibility question: AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series

[Robin Laing]

On 19/06/16 23:44, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 06/19/2016 05:12 PM, Robin Laing wrote:

Last year I purchased a motherboard with onboard AMD graphics.  A real
nightmare.

Check the AMD site for support for the video card.

As it turned out, AMD dropped support for the chipset and their web site
states to get a new graphics card.


You bought a new motherboard and AMD had already dropped support for it?
 I have years old boards and video cards and they all work perfectly. I
haven't seen any chipsets that they've dropped support for.  They have
dropped support in their proprietary driver, but the open source one
fully supports them.



It was for a cheap desktop and I wanted on board video to save money. 
It was not a newer version of chip though.  Never had an AMD video card 
for years since they were ATI.   I thought I would trust open source 
driver when I purchased board.  Didn't look at closed source driver 
until I had problems.   I wanted to try the closed source driver to see 
if it would fix the problem.



I would get full lockups of the X-graphics using the open source driver.
 Keyboard was useless.  X-window was a frozen window of what was on the
screen.  I could move the mouse pointer around the screen but no action.
 This occurred anytime I was going through a directory of images or
videos.  Very frustrating.


If the mouse pointer is still moving around the screen, then the X
server is still functioning at least to some extent.  Was there anything
in the log?  Did you file a bug report?



Nothing in the log files.

I agree, there was some life but it was useless to try anything.  Even 
killing it from a ssh session didn't reset anything.  Shutdown and 
reboot was the only thing that would get the card working again. 
Killing X server and restarting wouldn't get it working.


If I found anything I would have submitted a bug report.


Purchased an nvida GeForce GTX 960 card and put it in.  No issues since.




I have had many issues with NVidia cards.  I won't run the proprietary
driver for various reasons and as much as I very much appreciate the
work of the nouveau developers, there is still a ways to go.  There has
only been one laptop that I had to install the NVidia driver on because
it was completely unusable otherwise.  But other desktops and laptops
have issues that need to be worked around.


If the Nouveau driver used the full feature of the card, I would be 
happy with it.  Due to requirements, I need the speed of the closed 
source driver.  I am also testing some stuff that uses the CUDA 
processors.  This is on a different machine.  Purchased a high end 
Nvidia card for some future work on a new machine with the intent of 
using the processors.


This machine that I have issues with was supposed to be a simple work 
machine and view videos and images to relax.  I would have a lockup on 
an almost daily basis using the on board video.  I have not had a lockup 
since I changed cards.





I would have to do a reboot to know the onboard video.


As someone else mentioned, lspci would give you the information you're
looking for unless the BIOS completely disables it which might be the case.


See other post.




Unless you want to use as a server, I would avoid it.


On your experience of one instance, you're telling him that all AMD
cards are bad.  My experience is that on a very wide variety of desktops
and laptops with AMD graphics, the only one that gave me trouble was a
brand new chipset and that had support within a couple of months.


I am also commenting from discussions with our IT staff that has dealt 
with these problems.  He uses AMD cards, but avoids on-board video due 
to problems like mine.  Another person that runs a small resort network 
makes the same comment about on-board video issues.


In our discussions, it may be related to shared ram issues.

I went to Nvidia when I tried an ATI card many years ago and fought to 
get it working for over a month.  Nvidia card up and running with full 
3D in less than 30 minutes from the time I paid for it.


I like that even my old card in an old computer still gets updates from 
Nvidia as a legacy driver.


From the manual, this is the video.

On board video ATI Radeon HD 3000GPU.  1GB of shared memory.

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Re: a compatibility question: AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series

[Robin Laing]

On 19/06/16 22:43, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/19/2016 05:12 PM, Robin Laing wrote:


I would have to do a reboot to know the onboard video.


Use this: lspci | grep VGA

Doesn't even need root.  HTH, HAND.




Doesn't show the onboard video.  Tried that before I posted.

I only get the Nvidia GTX 960.

On board video is disabled in BIOS.


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Re: a compatibility question: AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series

[Robin Laing]

On 17/06/16 08:44, Tim wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone have any good/bad experience with this graphics chipset:
On-motherboard AMD Radeon HD8200 R3 series

I was offered a reasonable price for a system using it, but really don't
want to have to deal with something that's going to be pain.



Last year I purchased a motherboard with onboard AMD graphics.  A real 
nightmare.


Check the AMD site for support for the video card.

As it turned out, AMD dropped support for the chipset and their web site 
states to get a new graphics card.


I would get full lockups of the X-graphics using the open source driver. 
 Keyboard was useless.  X-window was a frozen window of what was on the 
screen.  I could move the mouse pointer around the screen but no action. 
 This occurred anytime I was going through a directory of images or 
videos.  Very frustrating.


I could ssh into the system and close down programs but I still had to 
reboot to get graphics working again.  Never had time to try to debug it 
but with AMD web site saying that there were no drivers and to upgrade 
the video card, I just didn't feel it was worthwhile.


Purchased an nvida GeForce GTX 960 card and put it in.  No issues since.

I would have to do a reboot to know the onboard video.

Unless you want to use as a server, I would avoid it.

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Re: Par2cmdline with non normal characters.

[Robin Laing]

On 14/05/16 21:55, c...@zip.com.au wrote:

On 14May2016 18:25, Robin Laing <me...@telusplanet.net> wrote:

I am trying to run par2 to repair an archive that has an apostrophe in
the name.  Not a single quote.  This archive was created on Windows.


Is there any reason you can't just rename the file by hand, with "mv"?
Or is this to fix some automation?


Par2 will pull the file name from the par2 file that it is supposed to 
repair.  Par2 will run but if the file name is wrong, then it won't 
repair the archive.  I know that there are issues with the archive.





File name should be
Joe’s file.part01.rar

If I do ls I get
Joe?s file.part01.rar

ls -b I get
Joe\302\222s\ file.part01.rar


What are your locale settings? What does the output of "locale" say?

The locale settings affect several things; in particular it affects:

 - what ls will show you, because it affects what "ls" considers a
printablecharacter

 - what your terminal displays for various byte sequences (this is
driven bythe terminal emulator's idea of your local, not your shell,
but they shouldmatch)

 - what your keystrokes mean



I have tried different locales with no success.  Not sure of which one I 
need.


LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="en_CA.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_CA.UTF-8"
LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE="en_CA.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_CA.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_CA.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_CA.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_CA.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_CA.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_CA.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_CA.UTF-8" 

LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_CA.UTF-8" 


LC_ALL=

I cannot remember which other locale I have tried.  If I knew what the 
\302\222 locale came from or how they are encoded, then it would point 
me in the right direction.  I have searched to find out those codes with 
no success.  I know it is supposed to be a curly single quote.



Running par2 *.par2 runs par2 cmdline but all the files are missing
and par2 says all the files are missing.

Target: "Joe’s file.part01.rar" - missing.
Target: "Joe’s file.part02.rar" - missing.
Target: "Joe’s file.part03.rar" - missing.
Target: "Joe’s file.part04.rar" - missing.


That is very weird. Normally, saying "*.rar" should be a totally robust
thing to say. On the other hand, it is possible that those strings above
are from inside the archive specification, and that is why they are not
found: your files need renaming as you anticipate.

No matter...


You are correct.  They are what the par2 command is pulling from the 
par2 file.





Doesn't see the repair files either.
How can I escape these characters or run the program?  I have searched
for a day to see how to run this program.  I have seen others ask the
same question as well.
Is there a way to use 'exec' or another option?

I have tried to change the terminal character set with no luck or just
haven't found the correct character set yet.

I cannot rename the files as the par2 and repair files look for the
original file names.

I don't even know how to enter the characters in the terminal.

I notice if I look at the file name in a graphics file manager
(dolphin), I just get a square with some unreadable code in it.


That means it is not decoding the filename into characters for which is
has a glyph. That just means that Windows was using some other codeset
whn it was saving the filenames into the archive. Windows is a bit of a
nightmare in this regard.



I have read that in my searches today.


Same if I try to look at it in a directory listing from a program.  Am
I missing a font set for this and would that make it work better.


No. You've got a character encoding issue.

However, there is a way out. Get your error message above into your
terminal, specificly by running your command again to ensure it is
exact. Then use cut/paste in your terminal to effect 4 mv commands. So,
like this:

 mv *.part01.rar ''

so you're:

 - using the shell to match the _current_ first file with *.part01.rar

 - you are typing a single quote, then pasting the filename from the
errormessage, then another single quote

Provided the desired filenames' quote _is_ an apostrophe and not an
ASCII single quote, you should be ok here. This is because your terminal
has transcribed the error string from par2, and hopefully that will be
usable.

This avoids figuring out how to type a weird filename.

There are other ways to approach this, but if this work it is probably
the easiest.


As I cannot confirm the language the file was created in, I may be
missing the correct font on my system to work with it as well.


This is not a font issue.

Try the above and report.

mkd>



Cheers,
Cameron Simpson <c...@zip.com.au>



Well done Cameron.  Thank you.

Moving the files did help. I don't know why I didn't try that before. 
With everything else going on t

Re: Par2cmdline with non normal characters.

[Robin Laing]

On 14/05/16 18:58, Pittigher, Raymond wrote:


From: Robin Laing <me...@telusplanet.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 8:25 PM
To: Community support for Fedora users
Subject: Par2cmdline with non normal characters.

Hello,

I am trying to run par2 to repair an archive that has an apostrophe in
the name.  Not a single quote.  This archive was created on Windows.

File name should be
Joe’s file.part01.rar

If I do ls I get
Joe?s file.part01.rar

ls -b I get
Joe\302\222s\ file.part01.rar

Running par2 *.par2 runs par2 cmdline but all the files are missing and
par2 says all the files are missing.

Target: "Joe’s file.part01.rar" - missing.
Target: "Joe’s file.part02.rar" - missing.
Target: "Joe’s file.part03.rar" - missing.
Target: "Joe’s file.part04.rar" - missing.

Doesn't see the repair files either.

How can I escape these characters or run the program?  I have searched
for a day to see how to run this program.  I have seen others ask the
same question as well.

Is there a way to use 'exec' or another option?

I have tried to change the terminal character set with no luck or just
haven't found the correct character set yet.

I cannot rename the files as the par2 and repair files look for the
original file names.

I don't even know how to enter the characters in the terminal.

I notice if I look at the file name in a graphics file manager
(dolphin), I just get a square with some unreadable code in it.  Same if
I try to look at it in a directory listing from a program.  Am I missing
a font set for this and would that make it work better.

As I cannot confirm the language the file was created in, I may be
missing the correct font on my system to work with it as well.

Robin
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Did you " it?
"Joe`s File."



Yes, I tried the quotation marks.  No success.

I have tried all the normal processes that I have used for years with no 
success.



Robin

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Par2cmdline with non normal characters.

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I am trying to run par2 to repair an archive that has an apostrophe in 
the name.  Not a single quote.  This archive was created on Windows.


File name should be
Joe’s file.part01.rar

If I do ls I get
Joe?s file.part01.rar

ls -b I get
Joe\302\222s\ file.part01.rar

Running par2 *.par2 runs par2 cmdline but all the files are missing and 
par2 says all the files are missing.


Target: "Joe’s file.part01.rar" - missing.
Target: "Joe’s file.part02.rar" - missing.
Target: "Joe’s file.part03.rar" - missing.
Target: "Joe’s file.part04.rar" - missing.

Doesn't see the repair files either.

How can I escape these characters or run the program?  I have searched 
for a day to see how to run this program.  I have seen others ask the 
same question as well.


Is there a way to use 'exec' or another option?

I have tried to change the terminal character set with no luck or just 
haven't found the correct character set yet.


I cannot rename the files as the par2 and repair files look for the 
original file names.


I don't even know how to enter the characters in the terminal.

I notice if I look at the file name in a graphics file manager 
(dolphin), I just get a square with some unreadable code in it.  Same if 
I try to look at it in a directory listing from a program.  Am I missing 
a font set for this and would that make it work better.


As I cannot confirm the language the file was created in, I may be 
missing the correct font on my system to work with it as well.


Robin
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Fedora 23 - Davmail - Thunderbird - localhost blacklisted

[Robin Laing]

For years I have been using Davmail on my workstation to get my email 
into Thunderbird at work from Exchange Server.  There is no POP access 
and never could get any mapi suggestions to work.


Upgrading from F20 to F23 via a clean install of F23 and moving my home 
partition to F23 and I am stuck because I cannot get my email to work.
After some diagnosis, I find that localhost is being added to a 
blacklist when Thunderbird tries to connect to the davmail program via 
localhost.


Someone on the Thunderbird mail list suggested that the problem is a 
Fedora issue because of the x-redhat-blacklist-warning in the debugging 
log I created.  The relevant part is pasted here.



179783488[7fca096544a0]: add word: x-redhat-blacklist-warning:relay
66.163.179.106 is blacklisted by a rbl  system
179783488[7fca096544a0]: adding word to corpus store:
x-redhat-blacklist-warning:relay 66.163.179.106 is blacklisted by a rbl
   system (Trait=1) (deltaCount=1)
-296753408[7fca09654da0]: Checking blacklist for host [localhost], host
record [7fc9de6c25e0].
-296753408[7fca09654da0]: Checking blacklist for host
[webproxy.xxx.xxx], host record [7fc9e07ffc40].
-296753408[7fca09654da0]: Checking blacklist for host
[webproxy.xxx.xxx], host record [7fc9e07ffc40].
-296753408[7fca09654da0]: Checking blacklist for host
[webproxy.xxx.xxx], host record [7fc9e07ffc40].
-296753408[7fca09654da0]: Adding address to blacklist for host
[localhost], host record [7fc9de6c25e0].
-296753408[7fca09654da0]: Successfully adding address [127.0.0.1] to
blacklist for host [localhost].

I am stuck as to where this "blacklist" is coming from on my machine.  I 
need to get localhost into a whitelist so email will work.


What program could be creating this blacklist on my machine?

I can post mail from Thunderbird but cannot get any mail due to this 
issue which is preventing me from moving to F23.


Robin

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Robin Laing]

On 05/02/16 23:30, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 05 February 2016, g sent:

something that amazes me is that with all the add-ons that have been
written for cookie handling, none have a feature that ties in to url
bar or bookmarks that will disable/enable cookies with out user having
to make selection.


Allowing cookies for whitelisted URIs used to be a built-in feature to
most web browsers.  It was how I handled things for ages.  Deny or ask
by default, then I'd whitelist a few sites that I regularly wanted to
use in a less annoying way.



Same here.


As the discussion has been moved to gmane, it is harder to comment.  I 
am not sure if the gmane is moderated or not but I wanted to make my 
comments.


The response I am seeing is to just use the available addons but I am 
not seeing any that add this feature.


I did recommend that Mozzila makes this a addon to resore the feature to 
those that want it.


I have not had time to see if there is an addon that can restore the 
preferences to a window as I now have it open almost all the time.


A link that they point to for removing features is this one.

http://limi.net/checkboxes-that-kill/

But then add cross site scripting blocking that actually can break sites 
as well.


Robin

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Robin Laing]

On 04/02/16 09:04, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 04 February 2016, Tom Rivers sent:

I do know of a free one that is privacy oriented and it works really
well:

https://duckduckgo.com/about


I can't say that I find them anywhere near as good as Google.  Much as
it pains me to say it.




I do dump on their feedback form on a regular basis when the searches 
are garbage.


I also find Google garbage since they got rid of search within results. 
 They try to guess what I want and it just doesn't work.  I have filled 
out their feedback many times about poor search results as well.


90 % of what I do works well in duckduckgo.com.

I use the html version so I don't need to enable scripts for them.

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

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On 03/02/16 03:35, Matthew Miller wrote:

On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 11:13:30PM -0700, Robin Laing wrote:

This is a pain.  I am frustrated and my productivity has taken a nose
dive.


I'm curious. Why not use one of the many more sophisticated cookie
manager add-ons?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=cookie=30.0=linux

These are generally much better than the default "ask every time"
experience _anyway_.



Because, up until this occurred, I was happy with the way things worked. 
 It was nice to see my system work the way it was supposed to without 
needing different add-ins which could cause issues in the future.  I 
have run into add-ins that conflicted with each other in the past and to 
me, this WAS a feature that worked as advertised and prevented me from 
having issues.


If you run into issues with Firefox, you have to disable your plugins to 
test and that can be it's own headache.


I will be looking at plugins now that give me the same feature as Ask Me 
Every Time.



Robin

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

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On 04/02/16 14:01, stan wrote:

On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 21:47:00 +1030
Tim  wrote:


On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 10:18 -0700, stan wrote:

I doubt that you are experiencing traditional cookie tracking.


Hmm, I reckon they probably still do that.


I'd agree.  But my bank, to increase security, tried to use both a
regular cookie and an LSO cookie.  Fortunately, I convinced them that I
shouldn't have to have a third party private app installed to access
their website, and they removed it.  Or, more likely, made the LSO
cookie non blocking.

[snip]

And there's the rub, these days.  Now that dial-up is dying off, many
users have persistent IPs (not quite static, but most likely to keep
on using the same IP).  You can't just block something once it's
touched you, wipe your cache, and be a new anonymous person on your
next session.  And thanks to browsers with tabs, or multiple windows
that do not act like isolated programs, one session can last a very
long time, as you close your window with your bank, but other windows
remain open.


Yeah, I used to have an ISP like that, same IP every time.  Now, my ISP
gives me a random IP from their range every time I log on to their
network.

I tend to keep only minimal tabs open, not because of privacy primarily,
but because I don't like the clutter.  I have read that there have been
exploits that allowed a website running malicious scripts to gather
information from other open tabs in the browser, but I think those are
fixed now.

Once we are using IPv6, though, everyone will probably get assigned an
IP address at birth, and keep it for their whole life.  :-)  Sayanora
privacy, and welcome to the goldfish bowl.  Maybe some enterprising
souls will start a site that operates as a nat or proxy for IPv6, so
that everything goes through their randomly assigned IPv6 IP addresses,
and routes the information to the real address anonymously to the
queried website.



I wonder if any browsers have a randomiser in them to jiggle the
tell-tale signs that browser fingerprinting makes use of?


I'm not aware of a plug in that does that, though I think it is
possible to change some of the information the browser gives out.  The
trouble is that website client side apps have to know what's available
for their use, so they are allowed to query the browser to find out the
environment they are operating in.  And once they do, they have the
browser fingerprint. So, the trackers piggyback on that to find the
environment as a fingerprint.  If the environment is blocked to stop the
trackers, the legitimate apps won't be able to function properly.



I have used "modify headers" plugin off and on.

May be something you want to look at.

Robin

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

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On 04/02/16 12:11, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 02/04/2016 06:50 AM, Tom Rivers wrote:

On 2/4/2016 9:36 AM, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:

After (two?) mentions to Google search, I wonder if any you know of
any paid web search engines?


I don't know about search engines that cost money, but I do know of a
free one that is privacy oriented and it works really well:

https://duckduckgo.com/about



That one's good, but I prefer this:

https://startpage.com/

Not only is it https, it promises to keep no records of your searches or
even your IP.  Yes, it takes advantage of Google, but all Google learns
is that they searched for something, not who they sent the results to.
Rather like an anonymous proxy for searching.



Interesting that ixquick.com and startpage.com are both pointed to in 
this thread and they look exactly the same. Even their privacy 
statements are the same bar names.


I think they are one and the same.

Even their contact is the same person.

robert @ startpage.com  (From the privacy statement)

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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

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On 03/02/16 07:33, g wrote:



On 02/03/16 04:35, Matthew Miller wrote:

On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 11:13:30PM -0700, Robin Laing wrote:

This is a pain.  I am frustrated and my productivity has taken a nose
dive.


I'm curious. Why not use one of the many more sophisticated cookie
manager add-ons?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=cookie=30.0=linux

These are generally much better than the default "ask every time"
experience _anyway_.


.
+1 on the sophisticated cookie managers.

best 2 that i have found allow removal of site cookies, and enable/disable
collecting of cookies.
_

mozilla add-ons related to removing cookies:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=Remove+Cookies+for+site=all=30.0=linux

add-on to remove site cookies;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/remove-cookies-for-site/
_

add-on to enable/disable java/javascript and cookies:

quickjava 2.0.7 for firefox ver 40.x;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/quickjava/
_

quickjava site:
http://quickjavaplugin.blogspot.com/

quickjava for firefox ver 38.x and below;
http://quickjavaplugin.blogspot.com/2014/12/bug-fixes-in-206.html

after installing, managing of cookies has been



I only see one that looks like it will give me Ask Me Every Time.

Cookie Controller


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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

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On 02/02/16 21:58, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:

Why would they remove it? Was it a big maintenance burden? Seems
something reasonable to keep around.



There was an issue with poorly written sites opening hundreds of cookie 
requests.  So to fix that problem they now have two choices.


Accept or don't accept.

Also, if you choose accept, it defaults to accept third party cookies as 
well.


As I said, post your comments on the bug 660507.

I have added the proper link this time.

Must have been screwed up due to cookie issues.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660507
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Re: Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

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On 02/02/16 23:02, Robin Laing wrote:

On 02/02/16 21:58, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:

Why would they remove it? Was it a big maintenance burden? Seems
something reasonable to keep around.



There was an issue with poorly written sites opening hundreds of cookie
requests.  So to fix that problem they now have two choices.

Accept or don't accept.

Also, if you choose accept, it defaults to accept third party cookies as
well.

As I said, post your comments on the bug 660507.

I have added the proper link this time.

Must have been screwed up due to cookie issues.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606655


It is really 606655


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606655

I have tested the link this time.

This is a pain.  I am frustrated and my productivity has taken a nose dive.

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Firefox 44 removes privacy feature.

[Robin Laing]

For those that like to control how sites track you, you may want to 
think again about using Firefox 44.


As of now, the cookies settings don't have the option to "Ask Me Every Time"

Choice is to accept or deny all cookies from a site.

I for one, like to know if I am being asked for cookies or not from a 
site and accept at my preference.


This is the "bug" discussing this change.  If this is important to you, 
then please add your comments.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/process_bug.cgi

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kernel source - "make prepare" - error

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I am trying to compile a module and having a problem.  When I run make 
oldconfig I have no issues but when I try to run "make prepare", I get 
an error.



4.3.4-300.fc23.x86_64]# make oldconfig
scripts/kconfig/conf  --oldconfig Kconfig
#
# configuration written to .config

4.3.4-300.fc23.x86_64]# make prepare
scripts/kconfig/conf  --silentoldconfig Kconfig
make[1]: *** No rule to make target 
'arch/x86/entry/syscalls/syscall_32.tbl', needed by 
'arch/x86/entry/syscalls/../../include/generated/asm/syscalls_32.h'.  Stop.

arch/x86/Makefile:191: recipe for target 'archheaders' failed
make: *** [archheaders] Error 2


From what I have read, this isn't just a Fedora issue and has appeared 
over the years.


I wish I could get this to work.

If I don't get an answer, I will submit a bug report.

Thanks
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Re: nvidia-304xx broken with new kernel

[Robin Laing]

On 29/01/16 13:50, David A. De Graaf wrote:

The latest two kernels and the nvidia-304xx module are incompatible.
That is, the nvidia.ko module built by akmod-nvidia-304xx won't load.
That means that my three machines with older nvidia video cards (one
built into the mobo) are stuck running the old


  kernel-4.2.8-300.fc23.x86_64

kernel-4.3.3-300.fc23.x86_64
kernel-4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64

In the past, incompatibilities were resolved in about a week.
This time, it's nearly a month.  No new package of akmod-nvidia-304xx
or kmod-nvidia-304xx has shown up at the
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates[-testing] repo.
The akmod-nvidia-340xx module on another machine that needs it runs fine.
Does anyone have a clue when this older version of the nvidia module
might be fixed?

Here are the error messages with the newer kernel:

Console error message when trying to run 'startxfce':

(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': Unknown symbol in module,
or unknown parameter (see dmesg)


 From dmesg:

...
[   12.563315] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[   12.563325] Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint
[   12.573867] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_del (err 0)
[   12.573977] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_add (err 0)
...
[   31.162308] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_del (err 0)
[   31.162397] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_add (err 0)
...
[   81.656643] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_del (err 0)
[   81.656736] nvidia: Unknown symbol mtrr_add (err 0)


You may be better talking to rpmfusion for this problem.  Not a Fedora 
package.



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Re: Looking for a printer

[Robin Laing]

On 31/12/15 12:47, William Henry wrote:

I have a HP Laserjet Pro 200 and it meets all your criteria.

You will change cartridges less often but they are expensive.

William

P.S. I had no idea tweakers were that into ink cartridges!

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 31, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Thomas Cameron  
wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Howdy, all -

I have an Epson Workforce 600 printer, and it's actually a great
printer except for one thing: it goes through ink cartridges like an
out of control tweaker in a room full of meth.

I need a printer with the following features, and I'd love any
advice/experience you have had:

1) networked, works with Linux (the kids and me) and Windows (wife)
2) color
3) fast print speed (not as high a priority, but nice)
4) prefer laser printer, as opposed laser jet

I had an HP LaserJet 4, and it was awesome, but it was not color and
it finally died. I'm looking for that sort of experience, just newer.

Any suggestions?
Thomas



When I needed to replace our last inkjet with a laser, purchased HP 
m475dn printer.  Full multifunction with other options.  Higher priced 
but runs beautifully.  Purchased from HP direct as it was at a lower 
cost than I could get quoted at any local shop, it was free shipping at 
the time. Had it in a week.


We use these printers at work as well which is one of the reasons I 
purchased it.


Purchase supplies direct from HP when on sale  Much lower price than 
local stores, in some cases, almost 50% lower.  We usually replace all 
color cartridges in a year due to usage and black more often.  HP has a 
three pack of color cartridges for the price of two when on sale.  Last 
time was less than the cost of two at the local store.  NO expiry date 
on the cartridges. They also sell dual packs of black at a greatly lower 
cost.  Usually purchase a replacement pair when we put the last one in.


Cost of laser cartridges are much lower than ink used to cost.

With Fedora, printer works out of the box using DHCP or configured 
manually.  Scanning requires a HP driver that downloads and installs 
almost automatically.


Full duplex which is needed for all the document printing my wife does. 
 Also as I found out, does full duplex scanning as well with sheet feeder.


My daughter has a Samsung (cannot remember the model) which worked out 
of the box.  Popped up with test print when plugging in to usb as a test 
without installing any software.  She configured it for network 
printing.  I have never seen it.  Finally had to replace the original 
cartridge after a year of university printing.



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Re: installation on a HP250 as UEFI

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On 2015-12-28 08:14, maderios wrote:

I've had that on a work laptop (also an HP).  You can try to disable
secure boot in the UEFI screen, or you can try and tell the USB stick
to treat the laptop like a BIOS machine.
The problem is that changing those settings now will break the existing
Windows install.


Hi
On a recent laptop, Asus X751L, I disabled secure boot. It didn't break
windows8 install (to keep warranty) at all.



Three laptops installed Fedora dual boot with UEFI and F21 and F23 
without Windows.


All KDE from USB stick.
As the partition table has no Windows OS on it, why not just wipe the 
whole thing and start from scratch.  Let the installer partition the 
drive as needed or manually partition.


Linux works great with GPT (had issues with a SSD though) on spinning 
disks.  Used it on all newly formatted disks on all my machines.  Use 
gdisk instead of fdisk.


Installed F23 KDE on a machine yesterday (twice) with no issues.  Wiped 
all partitions and created all new partitions manually (hate LVM). 
Installed the second time due to no encryption the first time.


It was very fast as we didn't start till after supper.

Just make sure to create the EFI partition if you partition manually.

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Re: yum configure to only download one package at a time

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On 2015-12-18 01:34, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:05:21 -0700, Robin Laing wrote:


Hello,

I am trying to upgrade my system and through our corporate
firewall/network filters/etc, the bandwidth is limited.  Today while
doing an upgrade, yum was downloading five packages at a time.


Have you visited "man yum.conf" yet?

There's lots of stuff about bandwidth throttling and stuff like that
in it:

  max_connections

   The maximum number of simultaneous connections.  This overrides
   the urlgrabber default of 5 connections.  Note that there
   are also implicit per-mirror limits and the downloader
   honors these too.



Yes I did.  I was in a rush and missed the max_connections.  I was 
trying to read it on my phone.  When I was reading the manual, I never 
thought of connections as a way of limiting the number of packages being 
downloaded at once.  Problem is you get focused on packages and forget 
that it is a connections issue.


That is what I am looking for.

Thank you.

Now to go to work and see if I pissed off the admins by trying to 
download overnight with the hope that the throttling was lifted overnight.


Robin

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Re: yum configure to only download one package at a time

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On 2015-12-18 06:49, Robin Laing wrote:

On 2015-12-18 01:34, Michael Schwendt wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:05:21 -0700, Robin Laing wrote:


Hello,

I am trying to upgrade my system and through our corporate
firewall/network filters/etc, the bandwidth is limited.  Today while
doing an upgrade, yum was downloading five packages at a time.


Have you visited "man yum.conf" yet?

There's lots of stuff about bandwidth throttling and stuff like that
in it:

  max_connections

   The maximum number of simultaneous connections.  This
overrides
   the urlgrabber default of 5 connections.  Note that there
   are also implicit per-mirror limits and the downloader
   honors these too.



Yes I did.  I was in a rush and missed the max_connections.  I was
trying to read it on my phone.  When I was reading the manual, I never
thought of connections as a way of limiting the number of packages being
downloaded at once.  Problem is you get focused on packages and forget
that it is a connections issue.

That is what I am looking for.

Thank you.

Now to go to work and see if I pissed off the admins by trying to
download overnight with the hope that the throttling was lifted overnight.

Robin




Hello,

I did everything suggested and still no success.

Talked to IT and they feel it is a firewall issue.  After 400K to 500K, 
the bandwidth is throttled to 0.3B/sec.


Thank you tall all that made suggestions.

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yum configure to only download one package at a time

[Robin Laing]

Hello,

I am trying to upgrade my system and through our corporate 
firewall/network filters/etc, the bandwidth is limited.  Today while 
doing an upgrade, yum was downloading five packages at a time.


Due to the limits, I was running into a under X bytes for 60 seconds 
restart.


The limit is such that when there are large packages (eclipse) it gets 
stuck restarting each package over and over until it has run out of mirrors.


I read through the yum.conf man and I cannot find a way to tell yum to 
only download a single package.


This is on a f20 system and I am trying to get to F23 but I cannot get 
fedup on f20 to work through our corporate firewall and dnf won't play.


I am working on the problem I asked about earlier as this is the first 
time I had a few days to work on this.


fedora-upgrade is the command that I am using.


Robin


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