Re: Shortcuts using Super key not working and I am sad

[Douglas McGarrett]

On 8/19/2022 9:20 PM, Ranbir wrote:

Hi All,

My Super (i.e. Windows) key no longer works for any of the Super key
based shortcuts. I don't know why. The shortcut hasn't been changed
(it's the same).

Has anyone else run into this? Which area of the keyboard do I pound
with a hammer to resovle this?

I'm running an updated Fedora 36.

:: sniffles ::


I don't know if this would make a difference, but simultaneously pushing
Ctrl and ESC  imitates the Windows key. Great for logging in if you don't
HAVE a Windows key!
--doug
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Re: OT: RGB mechanical keyboard

[Douglas McGarrett]

On 9/3/21 4:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote:

Once upon a time, Douglas McGarrett  said:

If you can find an IBM model M keyboard somewhere, you'll never look
for another. They haven't been made in years, AFAIK, but

The original IBM keyboard team got spun off with Lexmark, and then spun
off as independent company (IIRC owned by the original team from IBM).
They still sell the old keyboards, as well as newer models with USB, the
newer "logo" and menu keys, etc.  They're still buckling spring and feel
basically the same (a well-used Model M feels a little different than a
brand new keyboard, but I think that's just springs breaking in).

https://www.pckeyboard.com/

I have an original (made in 1985 or 1986 IIRC) Model M with the old
school coiled-up detachable cable that I used for years, and a couple of
the Unicomp USB versions that I use now, and they're great.


In my previous post, I forgot to add the following:
The old IBM model M has no Windows keys. Since only the left Win key seems
to be used, you can simulate that by pressing CTRL+ESC simultaneously.
--doug
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Re: OT: RGB mechanical keyboard

[Douglas McGarrett]

On 9/3/21 10:08 AM, Frederic Muller wrote:

Hi!

This is a bit borderline but since I guess everybody is using a PC 
here (or a MAC...) you probably have a keyboard too...


I recently (less than a year) got a mechanical keyboard (Logitech G512 
- liked the 512 number...) and it's been complicated. I initially 
offered one to my wife, she loved it and "forced" me to get one too.


I had to wash it dismantling the keys, putting them in soap and water, 
drying them, etc. I also bought a small hover to suck the potential 
dust creating problems (or ... something else). After less than a year 
both keyboards have been back under warranty, one because of the RGB 
lights breaking on some keys, the other one because of keys not 
working after a few hours of work (that's mine).


When having problems (like the space bar, C key, arrows, etc stop 
working) I eventually took other keyboards I already have, and then I 
really missed the 'typing quality' of the mechanical one.


I also appreciate that the Logitech keyboard do have Free Software 
projects allowing you to control each key and set up the lighting the 
way you want. You can even do (keyboard) games with those.


I however suffered all those (un)typing issues and am disappointed by 
the overall quality. 2 keyboards, 2 went back under warranty (1 
replaced, 1... waiting for it).


So let's say I am hooked with the technology but...

Do you guys know of any keyboard with similar typing quality but with 
durability and eventually free software driving the RGB lighting? I 
can probably live without the RGB stuff as well ;-)


Oh .. I don't play games, just spend the whole day (and night?) behind 
(in front of?) my PC.


Thank you.

Fred

ps: numeric pad is a must
If you can find an IBM model M keyboard somewhere, you'll never look for 
another. They haven't been made in years, AFAIK, but
I have three of them--two full sized and one without the numeric pad 
that I use with a laptop at home. The only drawback is
that it's loud--I tried it at the office once when I was still working, 
and I had to take it back home. No lights, except  for

Num Lock, Caps Lock, and Sceoll Lock.
Good luck in your quest!  --doug
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Re: installing Fedora: says empty disk is almost full

[Douglas McGarrett]

On 9/1/2021 11:39 PM, Tim via users wrote:


If you create a partition and format it (whatever filesystem you format
it with), the Linux installer sees that space as used and unavailable
(whether, or not, there is any data in that partition), and will want
to use something else to install to.

New hard drives do not come formatted.

If you're sharing the drive with other installations, then do not erase
the whole drive - you'll remove those other installation.  Remove the
spare partition you made, leave that part of the drive empty.  Do not
create a new partition, do not do any formatting.  Leave the space
unused.

If you're not sharing the drive with anything else, do that to the
entire drive.

Gparted does not make you create partitions.  Sure it might prompt you
to make one as the next step, but you don't have to.
  


Thank you. That's exactly clear and what I needed to know. I've been 
playing in the


Linux world for quite a while, and this is the first time I ran into 
this situation.


--doug
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Re: installing Fedora: says empty disk is almost full

[Douglas McGarrett]

On 9/1/21 4:58 AM, Tim via users wrote:

On Wed, 2021-09-01 at 01:23 -0400, Douglas McGarrett wrote:

I have added /dev/sda, a new Samsung 465 GiB ssd (ordinary type) to
the system.  I formatted it to ext4 using GParted, and it's empty
except for 8.38 GiB at the beginning that GParted must have added.
When I try to add theFedora system to this, it says there is only 1.2
GiB available. I went back and ran GParted on it again, but it still
comes up the same way. What am I doing wrong? Or is the drive
defective? GParted doesn't complain about it.

I suppose the "only 1.2 gig available" is confusing.  That's some
unallocated part of the drive.  Everything that you prepared and
formatted its ignoring as already for use by something else (it doesn't
know they're blank, it's just looking at existing partitions as not
free for it to use).

I haven't played with the latest installation yet, but the prior
install routines didn't need you to prepare a drive first, and I'd
expect the current one to be the same.  You can go back to Gparted,
erase your partitions, and make the drive "empty," then install Fedora.

If you like to specify partition sizes yourself, you should get the
chance to do so during the Fedora install.  Or, it should be possible
to pick prepared partitions, but you might have to hunt around a bit to
find where manual partitioning is hidden.
  
I may not have indicated that I already have two systems on the new-type 
disk.
I want to be sure to keep them. The "new"  old-type disk is known to the 
existing
Linux as /dev/sda.  So I just went to gparted again and erased whatever 
was on

sda, and gparted made me have a partition, so I made the whole drive a
partition and formatted it as fat32, which is probably the way it came from
the factory. Is this OK? I'll wait for an answer before proceeding.
Thanx--doug
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installing Fedora: says empty disk is almost full

[Douglas McGarrett]

Hello. I'm a potential new user, but I'm having trouble with the install.
I have Windows and Leap on one of the new on-board drives, and I
have added /dev/sda, a new Samsung 465 GiB ssd (ordinary type) to
the system.  I formatted it to ext4 using GParted, and it's empty except
for 8.38 GiB at the beginning that GParted must have added. When I try
to add theFedora system to this, it says there is only 1.2 GiB available.
I went back and ran GParted on it again, but it still comes up the same way.
What am I doing wrong? Or is the drive defective? GParted doesn't
complain about it.
Thans for your assistance--doug
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Re: Windows 11 VMs

[mcgarrett]

> On July 17, 2021 at 11:03 PM Samuel Sieb  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2021-07-17 6:01 p.m., mcgarrett wrote:
> > 
> >> On July 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM Patrick O'Callaghan  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 16:47 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >>> On 7/15/21 3:47 PM, mcgarrett wrote:
> >>>> Is there some app that will tell you if your mobo (or cpu) has the
> >>>> tpm?
> >>>
> >>> If you're running Linux, you can check with "ls /dev/tpm*" or
> >>> "journalctl | grep -i tpm".  In Windows, it should be somewhere in
> >>> the
> >>> device manager.
> >>
> >> Windows has a command-line utility called "tpm".
> >>
> >> poc
> > 
> > Tested on almost new computer with OpenSUSE Leap 15-3:
> > 
> > doug@linux1:~> ls /dev/tpm
> > ls: cannot access '/dev/tpm': No such file or directory (tried again as 
> > root--NG.)
> 
> You missed the asterisk.  "ls /dev/tpm*"
> 
You're absolutely right. Works fine that way! Doesn't even need root.
doug@linux1:~> ls /dev/tpm*
/dev/tpm0  /dev/tpmrm0
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Re: Windows 11 VMs

[mcgarrett]

> On July 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 16:47 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 7/15/21 3:47 PM, mcgarrett wrote:
> > > Is there some app that will tell you if your mobo (or cpu) has the
> > > tpm?
> > 
> > If you're running Linux, you can check with "ls /dev/tpm*" or 
> > "journalctl | grep -i tpm".  In Windows, it should be somewhere in
> > the 
> > device manager.
> 
> Windows has a command-line utility called "tpm".
> 
> poc

Tested on almost new computer with OpenSUSE Leap 15-3:

doug@linux1:~> ls /dev/tpm
ls: cannot access '/dev/tpm': No such file or directory (tried again as 
root--NG.)

journalctl | grep -i tpm   (This command required root permission.)
Jul 16 15:00:48 localhost kernel: efi: TPMFinalLog=0x7e3e4000 ACPI 
2.0=0x7df3 ACPI=0x7df3 SMBIOS=0x7edc3000 SMBIOS 3.0=0x7edc2000 
ESRT=0x79365818 MEMATTR=0x790e2018 MOKvar=0x79089000 RNG=0x7edc4718 
TPMEventLog=0x7566b018 
Jul 16 15:00:48 localhost kernel: ACPI: TPM2 0x7DF5E678 34 (v04 
ALASKA A M I0001 AMI  )
I don't know what all this means, but I guess it does indicate TPM presence. 
WOW!

--doug
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Re: Windows 11 VMs

[mcgarrett]

> On July 14, 2021 at 8:13 PM Chris Adams  wrote:
> 
> 
> Once upon a time, Stephen Morris  said:
> > I thought the TPM was in the cpu, because someone I work with was
> > indicating it was in the cpu, and in my motherboard's bios the
> > activation/deactivation of the fTPM is in the cpu configuration
> > section.
> 
> There are different implementations of the TPM spec.  Both Intel and AMD
> have CPU-based versions in more recent models; for AMD, this is called
> fTPM.  It's also possible to have a discrete TPM module, which a bunch
> of motherboards include a header for.
> 
> The rush to buy modules is uninformed; probably a lot of those systems
> could just enable the CPU-based TPM in their BIOS.  I don't remember
> when Intel added it (5 years ago?) and don't know if they added it for
> all CPU models or just some.  I think AMD added their fTPM when they
> introduced socket AM4 (almost 5 years ago).
> 
> I think the advantage of a discrete and socketed module would be that
> you can take it with you; either literally (unplug it when you leave the
> house for example) or just when you replace the motherboard.
> -- 
> Chris Adams 

Is there some app that will tell you if your mobo (or cpu) has the tpm?
--doug
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Re: OT: ink jet printers

[mcgarrett]

> On July 14, 2021 at 4:48 PM Robin Laing  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 06/07/2021 09:57, Greg Woods wrote:
> > Well, not completely OT because I do need one that will work on Fedora.
> > 
> > I have found a number of ink jet all-in-ones that work well on Fedora, 
> > from Epson, HP, and Brother. The problem is that I don't use the printer 
> > all that much, and every single one of them eventually (after I've had 
> > it for a few months) develops a head clog that is so bad that not even 
> > the printer's cleaning cycle can fix it. I have tried some of the 
> > cleaning kits with not much success (I'm a lousy handyman), and even if 
> > I could get the cleaning kits to work, I'd rather find a printer where I 
> > can avoid this headache.
> > 
> > So, is there any such thing as an all-in-one ink jet printer that does 
> > not suffer from this problem if it is not used regularly? Question #2 
> > is, are any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and work (all 
> > functions) with Fedora Linux?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > --Greg
> > 
> > 
/snip/
Just a note of warning for ink-jet users: Quite a few years ago, I had an 
ink-jet
printer--I don't remember the name--and I thought I'd save some money by buying 
a
cheap replacement ink cartridge. Well, it clogged up the works, and I could not
fix it. I had to throw the printer out! So go with the manufacturer's ink, even 
if
it is expensive. It's cheaper than a new printer!
For HP LaserJets: I think, altho I'm not sure, that off-brand toners will not 
work
in an HP machine. I think they code their cartridges. Anyone know better?
--doug
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Re: Windows 11 VMs

[mcgarrett]

> On July 13, 2021 at 6:59 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 14/07/2021 06:49, mcgarrett wrote:
> >> On July 6, 2021 at 5:29 PM Patrick O'Callaghan  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 15:01 -0400, mcgarrett wrote:
> >>>  From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the
> >>> problem on older computers,
> >>> but it occurs to me that you might not be permitted to install the
> >>> software unless
> >>> a TPM is found. So, for those who have already tried version 11, has
> >>> any one of you
> >>> tried installing on an older laptop, and then adding a software TPM,
> >>> or is this impossible?  --doug
> >> As stated earlier, my system doesn´t have a hardware TPM, but adding a
> >> software TPM in virt-manager was enough.
> >>
> >> poc
> > Three questions:
> > Background: I have Windows 10 on the computer, even tho there are no apps
> > on it--I only use Linux. There may someday be a need for Windows?
> > Q1: Could you install the win 11 and then add the TPM s/w, or must the TPM
> > be on the machine already.
> > Q2: If it must be on the machine already, do you install it from a previous
> > version of Windows, i.e., Win 10? If not then how?
> > Q3: Would you please direct me to the source of the TPM you installed?
> > Thank you--doug
> 
> The "software" TPM being talked about is more like TPM emulation. It can be 
> added to
> any VM via virt-manager on the "Hardware" screen and using the button in the 
> lower left
> to add hardware.
> 
> The TPM can be added to any VM.  The one caveat is that the VM must have been 
> created to
> boot via UEFI and not BIOS.  That option needs to be specified when the VM 
> was created.
> 
> None of my motherboards have a TPM.  So I use the emulation. However, if 
> you're motherboard does
> have a TPM, I believe there is an option when adding TPM to a VM to use "Pass 
> Thru".
> 
> It isn't possible, AFAIK, to simply change a VM from BIOS to UEFI.
> 
I should apologize! I was thinking of this machine, which is almost new, and 
probably has the TPM in hardware. It's the laptop that's old, and has Windows 
7! Probably just
leave it that way. --doug
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Re: OT: ink jet printers

[mcgarrett]

> On July 10, 2021 at 5:38 PM Richard England  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 7/6/21 8:57 AM, Greg Woods wrote:
> > Well, not completely OT because I do need one that will work on Fedora.
> >
> 
/snip/
 Question #2 
> > is, are any of the all-in-one laser printers any good and work (all 
> > functions) with Fedora Linux?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --Greg
> 
> 
> Gave up on inkjets due to clogging issues with low usage.  Went with HP 
> M283cdw.  Color, scanner, copier, fax, and prints from a USB 
> thumbdrive.  There are cheaper models but this one was on sale.  Toner 
> cartridges are expensive but my utilization is low so the cost will be 
> painful once every two years or so.
> 
> This model has WiFi connection as well as USB.  Working currently with 
> Fedora 34, Mint 20 (Ulyssa) aka Ubuntu, and Windows 10> --
> ~~R
> 
Will the scanner work with the XSANE app? I like that because it has
various definitions which can be set so as to save ink/toner for
low definition requirements, and then hi def for the occasions that
require it. Using an Epson all-in-one, but I may be looking for a replacement--
got hit by lightning a few days ago, and a lot of electronic stuff is
now junk! (Have not yet checked the Epson--the router got killed in the
blast!)
--doug
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Re: Windows 11 VMs

[mcgarrett]

> On July 6, 2021 at 5:29 PM Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 15:01 -0400, mcgarrett wrote:
> > From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the
> > problem on older computers,
> > but it occurs to me that you might not be permitted to install the
> > software unless
> > a TPM is found. So, for those who have already tried version 11, has
> > any one of you
> > tried installing on an older laptop, and then adding a software TPM,
> > or is this impossible?  --doug
> 
> As stated earlier, my system doesn´t have a hardware TPM, but adding a
> software TPM in virt-manager was enough.
> 
> poc
Three questions:
Background: I have Windows 10 on the computer, even tho there are no apps
on it--I only use Linux. There may someday be a need for Windows?
Q1: Could you install the win 11 and then add the TPM s/w, or must the TPM
be on the machine already.
Q2: If it must be on the machine already, do you install it from a previous
version of Windows, i.e., Win 10? If not then how?
Q3: Would you please direct me to the source of the TPM you installed?
Thank you--doug
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Re: Windows 11 VMs

[mcgarrett]

> On July 6, 2021 at 1:34 AM "Stephen J. Turnbull"  wrote:
> 
> 
> Tim writes:
> 
>  > I reckon the default thought of most people who're suddenly faced with
>  > a computer failing a security test is not going to be that something
>  > has changed on them without authority, but that something has gone
>  > wrong.  They're going to try and reset something, rather than work out
>  > if they've been compromised.
> 
> Indeed.  Pragmatically speaking, I don't think they're wrong, do you?
> 
> Patrick writes:
> 
>  > I think much depends on what the TPM is used for. Certainly if the
>  > user takes care not to subvert the intention, it can reasonably be
>  > used to ensure that only trusted software is run.
> 
> "Pragmatically speaking ..." ;-)  Seriously, I think TPM mostly makes
> sense with VMs.  People who write programs are generally going to be
> very unhappy with the amount of kissing up to the TPM they have to do.
> Like, on Mac every time LLVM releases a new version of the debugger I
> have to go through the self-signing dance.  So far I have been
> satisfied with the results every time (there really are new features
> or performance improvements), but it's infrequent enough that I have
> no memory of the procedure, let alone muscle memory.
> 
>  > OTOH, I think one application of TPM (at least when originally
>  > proposed) was to prevent the user from bypassing DRM, in which case
>  > the trust goes in the other direction and the situation is
>  > different.
> 
> Yeah, there was a *lot* of angst about potential DRM applications at
> the time.  I'm willing to bet it's possible to distinguish a hardware
> TPM from a software TPM for that application, though.  I didn't look
> hard enough to see if the Xen folk had proposed a protocol to get a
> token from the hardware TPM to vouch for a VM in that case.
> 
> Steve
From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the problem on older 
computers,
but it occurs to me that you might not be permitted to install the software 
unless
a TPM is found. So, for those who have already tried version 11, has any one of 
you
tried installing on an older laptop, and then adding a software TPM, or is this 
impossible?  --doug
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Re: Windows 11 VMs

[mcgarrett]

> On July 3, 2021 at 7:55 PM Tom Horsley  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 19:46:01 -0400 (EDT)
> mcgarrett wrote:
> 
> > What is a TPM, and does it come with the win 11 package, or must it be 
> > obrained elsewhere?
> 
> It is a piece of hardware that either comes with your motherboard
> if it is new enough, or you have to add (if it has a header to
> allow adding) or you can't get at all without buying a new computer.
> 
> Apparently all the add-in modules for motherboards which were
> around $15 before Microsoft announced the requirement are all
> around $150 now on ebay and out of stock everywhere else :-).

I'm glad I don't need Windows for anything! If the upgrade turns out to be 
free, I'll put it on my almost new machine, IF it has the TPM. (How would I 
know?_  ==doug
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Re: Windows 11 VMs

[mcgarrett]

> On July 3, 2021 at 6:38 AM Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2021-07-02 at 23:02 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new
> > > > system,
> > > > are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has
> > > > this
> > > > already been dealt with?
> > > 
> > > qemu has support for a TPM 2.0 either as a passthrough or an
> > > emulation. 
> > >   I haven't tested it yet, but I assume it works.
> > 
> > I tested it and Windows 10 let me enable bitlocker, so it definitely 
> > accepts it.
> 
> Nice. That would seem to make the whole underlying concept of a TPM
> absurd, given that you can emulate it (unless that means it has
> actually been signed by some authority of course).
> 
What is a TPM, and does it come with the win 11 package, or must it be obrained 
elsewhere?
--doug
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Re: suspend doesn't lock

[Doug McGarrett]

On 4/21/21 2:31 AM, FUNG Chi Chuen Sampson wrote:

On most keyboards, near the left ALT key, there is a key with a "Windows" logo 
on it.

It is called "Meta" or "Super" key in Linux.

Super+L means press "Super" key and the "L" key at the same time.
___

If you don't have a "modern" keyboard with a left Windows key, you can 
push ctrl+esc to get the same effect. In most cases, the right Windows key
does nothing, so it is a good choice for the Compose key. If you don't 
have that--as I don't, using an IBM model M k/b—right-alt is a good choice.

--doug
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Re: Third level choosers for keyboard keys.

[Doug McGarrett]

On 4/15/21 8:07 PM, AV wrote:

On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 16:27 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 4/15/21 4:15 PM, AV wrote:

On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 09:30 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

It it doesn't work for you, maybe your keyboard layout doesn't
have
any keys in those levels.

I have tried it on a desktop pc with well supported logitech
keyboard
and on a linux supported Lenovo laptop and a dell laptop that
originally came with ubuntu. Why would none of these keyboards have
keys in those levels? Does it work for you?

It has nothing to do with the physical keyboard.  It's the keyboard
layout.  You need to be using a layout that has keys defined in those
levels.  What keys are you trying to access?

On the Logitech keyboard the 5 with % and €. Same for Lenovo laptop.
On the Dell XPS 13 laptop the 5 with % and € and the 4 with $ and ₹
(Indian Rupee sign).


I believe that it has not become clear to all readers. In plain words, 
you need a keyboard
that has a number panel to the right of the letter keyboard. These 
number keys will also,
adjacent to them, on the right, have a - sign at the top right, and a + 
sign at the middle right.
These + and - keys have a DIFFERENT key code than the ones on the letter 
keyboard.
Laptops don't have a separate number panel, and many--perhaps most--of 
the k/b's
that come with new computers don't either. People who don't do numeric 
entry for
a living mostly don't need that facility, so it gets left off--and saves 
money for the

computer industry.
--doug











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Re: Blue Griffon

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On 4/5/21 8:14 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 4/3/21 5:12 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Any sign of RPM's for Blue Griffon?

If not, how about a good substitute?

Many thanks,
-T


Oops, I missed that it is payware.  Never mind


I don't know what Blue Griffon is, but I believe there are some products
that you really need to pay for, if the price is not ridiculous. For
example: I bought the TextMaker word processor. I do not like and
cannot live with Libre Office. That's the only one that I have paid for to
date, but I would do so again to obtain software that I consider user-
friendly and without built-in glitches, such as LO has. Your mileage may 
vary.

--doug






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Re: Compose Key

[Doug McGarrett]

On 3/30/21 4:54 PM, David wrote:
Sorry for the confusion in my recent post. Fedora 34 WS along with 
Gnome 40 ships with
the "Compose Key" disabled.  I chose to enable it, following Mr. 
Miller's advice from a

previous post ( related to Gnome 40 Tweaks ) and his suggestion,
to set the CAPS-Lock Key as the Compose Key.

I have not figured out yet how to use either the CAPS-Lock Key,  nor a 
Compose Key.
The more common selection for the Compose key is rt-alt or, if a Windows 
k/b, then rt/winkey,
because these are seldom used for anything else. The caps-lock does what 
it says:
all the letters you type after that except for the numbers on the top 
row, will be in CAPITAL LETTERS

until you hit the caps lock key again.
--doug



My keyboard is a ROCCAT ISKU, so I may have to download some driver off
of COPR.   At the moment, all that is above my computering 
skills.  But I will put it on

my long list of things to learn.

Otherwise, my first day with Gnome 40.0 ( the latest update, 40.0-1, 
and 40.0-2 ), is going smoothly.


Thank you Gnome 40 folks, and fc34 folks, etc.

Below is just some feedback and might be of interest to someone not 
yet familiar with Fedora 34 Beta.


As of today, below is a list of all the Gnome 3 related packages on my 
Fedora 34 WS Beta install:


  gnome-bluetooth                    1:3.34.5-1
  gnome-bluetooth-libs                 1:3.34.5-1
  gnome-color-manager                  3.36.0-4
  gnome-logs                          3.36.0-4
  gnome-menus                    3.36.0-4
  gnome-online-accounts                  3.39.92-1
  gnome-online-miners                  3.34.0-8
  gnome-terminal                         3.38.1-3
  gnome-terminal-nautilus                3.38.1-3
  gnome-themes-extra                               3.28-12
  gnome-user-share                                  3.34.0-5

There are five Gnome 40 packages that are either Beta or RC
( meaning not yet 40.0-1 )

gnome-backgrounds 40rc
    gnome-session.x86_64                      40~beta-1
    gnome-session-wayland-session.x86_64       40~beta-1
    gnome-session-xsession.x86_64             40~beta-1
gnome-shell-extension-background-logo.noarch 40.0~rc-1



David Locklear
newbie Fedora 34 WS user





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Re: Compose Key

[Doug McGarrett]

On 3/30/21 12:09 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/29/21 2:19 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2021-03-29 at 15:46 -0500, David wrote:

Thank you Mr. Matthew Miller,


It's easier to know what your post is about if it's written as a reply
rather than a new message, like this one in fact. That's what threading
is for.


Yes, a reference would be good.  My assumption was that he's referring 
to a blog post or other announcement somewhere.
Perhaps some readers may not know what the compose key is good for. 
Using compose plus
two other key-strokes, will get you just about all the diacritical marks 
used in most European languages,
common fractions, currency symbols, degree signs and other things I 
can't think of. And they're all
simple to do, without trying to memorize obscure codes. For instance, 
Spanish: ¿ ¡ señor, tío: German: Straße,
Fräulein; French: hôtel, françoise; épinards; Italian: è;  ½, ¾ 75°: 
€30, £40, 50¥, 10¢. Just combine the letter

with a symbol, or in some cases, just type the letter twice, and voilà!
--doug
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Re: Using a Windoze application

[Doug McGarrett]

On 3/1/21 11:33 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:

I have a Windows 10 application on a USB stick. I need to run it
occasionally on a laptop that does not have Windows, but does have
fedora 32.

I could, of course, install Windows, fiddle the partitions, then
install Fedora. Lots of work for something that would be used
occasionally. To say nothing of the annoying rebooting.

Any suggestions on a better approach would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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Install Wine on your Linux machine. Then the command
wine windowsapp.exe should install it and let it run
when you need it.
--doug
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Re: Virtual background for Zoom video

[Doug McGarrett]

On 2/5/21 7:49 AM, Phil Edwards wrote:
Apparently, the Windows version of the Zoom client will happily do 
virtual backgrounds without the need for a green screen (providing 
your hardware meets the minimum requirements). But then if we were 
Windows users, we wouldn't be here would we?


Unfortunately, that facility is not available to Linux users and, last 
time I checked, I don't think it is planned - probably down to lack of 
demand / pressure.


Phil

SOMETHING does virtual background in Linux. Maybe it's skype. I 
haven't actually used either facility, but when I was
playing around with the installations, I ran into the virtual background 
by accident.

--doug


On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 11:39, Patrick O'Callaghan 
mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Fri, 2021-02-05 at 14:21 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> On Thu, 2021-02-04 at 19:09 +, Paul Smith wrote:
> > I would like to replace the background behind in my webcam
video feed
> > with an image. However, that is not possible, as it requires a
“green
> > screen”, which I do not have. So, my idea is to use a virtual
camera
> > with a background image chosen by me and feed that into Zoom.
Is that
> > possible on Fedora?
>
> If I google around, apparently there are things that can do the
green
> screen effect with zoom without a *green* screen, though they may be
> Windows/Mac.
>
> The point of using green screens is to have a uniform colour
behind you
> that's very opposite of skin tone (blue or green being the most
common,
> though the BBC had used yellow too) and from anything that you're
> wearing, that the keying device can detect as being background
instead
> of foreground.  You can research chromakey or CSO (colour separation
> overlay) for more info about it.
>
> It doesn't have to be a screen.  A suitably vivid colour bed sheet
> stretched tight will do the job.  We've used fabric from a
dressmakers,
> and blue cardboard pinned to the wall.  But that's not always
practical
> to do at home, and with people in lockdown they can't go out and buy
> things.
>
> If you want to avoid the insides your home being shown on a webcam
> meeting, your simplest option is to hold the meeting somewhere
else in
> your house that's less personal.  Such as sitting in a position
so that
>  your loungeroom curtains are the only things visible behind
you.  I've
> seen journos working from home park themselves in front of their big
> screen TV and use that as the background.

Just a few days ago the BBC had a story about second-hand booksellers
doing a nice trade in selling batches of serious-looking books that
people could place strategically behind them :-)

(Apologies for going OT)

poc
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Re: Mail Reader -

[Doug McGarrett]

On 1/24/21 10:59 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2021-01-24 at 14:19 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote:

I really think it is silly ti use those generic names in the menu. I
should change them all to something meaningful like the application
name.

There's some logic to it.  I found the opposite problem when I've
looked at KDE, in the past.  All those Ksomething named applications
where the name gives no clue as to what it does.  And Gnome was just as
bad:

Evolution - does that sound like a mail program?  There was a game by
that name, about evolution.

Empathy - does that sound like an internet messaging program?

Brasero - does that sound like it might be a disc burning program?

At least some programs acknowledge the problem (both ways), and you'll
find them listed in the menus like "Pidgin Internet Messenger" or "VLC
media player."

Well, you're not alone. Several years ago, I loaned my adult son a 
laptop with PCLOS
and the KDE3 desktop, and he complained and bitched about the names that 
the icons
had--Dolphin, Okular, Thunderbird, K3b, Konqueror--and finally he gave 
the machine back
to me. He was completely turned off to Linux, and still is. Since I 
haven't used Windows
in years, I had to open up one of those things and find just as many 
weird names on

that system, but it doesn't bother him. Life is what you make it! --doug
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Re: New parallel port card won't work

[Doug McGarrett]

On 11/1/20 2:45 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-11-01 00:08, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 10/31/20 11:50 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-10-31 23:36, Samuel Sieb wrote:

If I do the modprobe will above, lpt1 (lp0) shows up in
both printer admin and CUPS.  Otherwise not.


Why do you say "lpt1"?  I have 4 lp[0-3] devices in /dev, but I 
have no actual parallel port hardware.
I suspect by force loading the driver with settings like that, it 
will assume there's actually a port at that address.  It will be 
writing to nothing.


It is a CUPS and Printer Admin thing.  I find it a bit
annoying myself.  They should use Linux terms, not
Windows terms.

See for yourself:
 https://ibb.co/Gv770CF


I don't think it's originally a windows term.  It's actually "LPT 
#1", similar to the following "Serial Port #1".  "LPT" stands for 
"line printer" for those of us old enough to remember when printers 
could only do lines of text.


I wonder what it was called back in the UNIX days?
According to The Waite Group's UNIX Primer Plus, Second Edition, it was 
called lpr, for line printer.

--doug

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Re: Offtopic - rpm-distros

[Doug McGarrett]

On 10/30/20 8:32 PM, David wrote:

This is my final post on this offtopic discussion,
so email me privately, please.

Does Fedora have an off-topic list for Fedorans
to talk about anything ?

I fixed the problem that I was having with the rpm-distro,
OpenMandriva.    They apparently only have
two mirrors for the install I was using, and one of those
is possibly dead, and the install defaulted to the dead
one.   It went unnoticed, I think because most of their users
are in France and Italy.     Along the way, their forum members, figured
out my problem, but I ended up finding two articles on their
wiki to help me change the mirror to the correct one.

     $ sudo dnf --refresh install om-mirror-selector
     $ sudo om-mirror-selector.sh -m

So now I have 4 functional operating systems on my
computer on separate drives:   Fedora Rawhide, Fedora 33,
OpenMandriva Alpha, and OpenMandriva Cooker with zen kernel
( znver1 ) built using clang.

Their leader, Bero, said their server was down yesterday, so I guess
that didn't help. They apparently have a team of at least 10
developers using Element as their chat forum.   They were helpful.
They have one guy doing a mass-rebuild this week.

OpenMandriva uses Calamares installer, defaults to ext4, and
KDE Plasma 5.19 depending on the release you install.

The funny thing is that I still feel like a Linux novice, as there are
hundreds of things that I have no grasp of:    gaming, virtual-machines,
samba, actual practical use of the software, like gnucash, but especially
troubleshooting, and especially with troubleshooting wi-fi, and printer
problems, zero knowledge of perl, rust, python, bash, and only know a few
terminal commands, etc.

Cheers,

David Locklear
I'm no expert, but a some years ago, I took a course in Linux, rather 
elementary, but
it did emphasize that bash is a programming language, and works 
similarly to
many others. (I come from original Basic and Turbo Pascal.)  So if you 
have any
background in programming, get yourself a tutorial on bash and teach 
yourself.
Fortunately, bash does not have any peculiar typographic rules, like 
Python or

some others, that require certain types of formatting to run.
OTOH, you really don't need to program to use Linux as your OS. You just 
need

to know the syntax of bash in order to use terminal commands, which you will
need to do from time to time.--doug



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Re: sort of Firefox related

[Doug McGarrett]

On 9/20/20 4:36 AM, Tim via users wrote:

On Sat, 2020-09-19 at 21:00 -0500, David wrote:

I am not up to date on the general consensus of using flatpaks in
September of 2020.   I have no problem with flatpaks.

Now I have to set up all my web-stuff settings again.

Why would anybody want to use the rpm version of Firefox ?
Limited resources on their computer ??

I can't answer as to Firefox flatpaks, but I can with another package,
MuseScore.  On my PC, a RPM version of MuseScore works as expected, the
flatpak version cannot print.  You can go through the motions, select
your printer as expected, but nothing ever comes out of the printer.  I
see that problem has existed for well over a year without a fix.

Flatpaks are an attempt to make an all-purpose single package that will
work on all distros.  Sometimes they (flatpak creators) don't get it
right and your distro is too different from theirs, and things mayn't
work.  I can forsee that if things continue to go down that route
they'll start advising people who can't get a package to work to change
distros, instead of fixing their flatpak.
  

Another source I found recently explains that flatpaks contain a lot of code
that usurps the normal working of the OS, which is why it works on any.
And why it's so slow!
--doug
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Re: advice on writing tablet for use with Fedora

[Doug McGarrett]

On 9/5/20 6:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:30:12 -0300 "George N. White III"  
wrote:


On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 17:26, Ranjan Maitra  wrote:


Dear friends,

With online instruction for large classes continuing into the near future,
I am looking at writing tablets and wondering if any of these can be
integrated into Fedora. My examples are from:


https://www.amazon.com/Mice-Keyboards-Computer-Add-Ons-Computers/b?node=172493

I am not sure if these can do what I am hoping that they can, but I am
thinking of something hooked to my machine that is essentially like an
Elmo and can be "projected" via a share screen (using zoom) and recorded
(using, say, simplescreenrecorder).

Do these things exist? Any suggestions? I do not want to give up my
current machine, and buying an unnecessary tablet laptop because that would
fragment my workspace (computer).
If the tablet is going to be used by a child for remote schooling, it 
must have stylus capability,
for handwriting and drawing, as well as math, because the keyboard does 
not have things like

square-root signs, etc.
--doug



I have a large Wacom drawing board with a mouse and a stylus.  It is good
for
tweaking artwork, but for live video it is no substitute for writing
mathematics on
a whiteboard.

You may find it better to point a camera at a whiteboard or pad of
paper and use an erasable marker or Sharpie.Last I checked,
(Fedora 31)  the Wacom drivers didn't work with Wayland.

I see, thanks for this. Surprising that Wacom drivers don't work with Wayland. 
Wacom tablet seem to work fine for me all the way to Fedora 32.
Perhaps I am not understanding your point.

Ranjan
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Re: turn on the camera

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On 9/5/20 7:37 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Thank for the suggestion.
Unfortunately, I do not see any difference
fn+f6 does not seem to  generate the right sequence
*Sent:* Saturday, September 05, 2020 at 1:28 PM
*From:* "George N. White III" 
*To:* "Community support for Fedora users" 
*Subject:* Re: turn on the camera
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 08:05, Patrick Dupre > wrote:


Thank for the feedback.
lsusb does not any camera
This my laptop (4 year old)
QE62 6QD-670XFR (apache pro)

Made by MSI, see 
https://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1976971&p=4 says

 After 2-3 galley[sic], ditto Ubuntu 18.10 installed on an MSI GP62 6QF.

Everything is functional: - The camera, which must be activated with 
Fn-F6 - It must be activated to have the microphone integrated (on 
Windows the driver manages the 2, so nothing abnormal).


- Essential Fn functions such as keyboard backlighting, volume of 
sound and slab lighting - Trackpad


 /snip/
--
George N. White III
_
lshw should at least show that the camera is there and wired up.

--doug

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Re: I need a PDF editor that is Dynamic XFA friendly

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On 8/20/20 7:15 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-08-21 06:50, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I need PDF Editor that is Dynamic XFA friendly.

And example file would be:

https://tax.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/taxnvgov/Content/Forms/Sales_and_Use_Tax_Return_07-01-11(1)1(2).pdf

PDF Studio has no Dynamic XFA support and Master
PDF Editor only has limited support (fields won't
update).

And I don't mind paying for it, IF IT WORKS!

Use google to search "xfa support linux"

Hint: The first suggestion works.  (Well, at least the first one I was 
presented).

That search comes up with a deb format file. If you add "rpm" to that, 
you get Master PDF Editor.
Is it possible that there is a version of PDF Editor that is more recent 
than the google reply?
I haven't tried this lately, so I don't know what editor I used "back 
when" or if I just downloaded
the form, filled it out in ink and mailed it! (PDF Editor has just come 
out with an update. Maybe

that works?)
--doug
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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/13/20 6:43 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:



On 8/13/20 1:48 AM, Todd Chester via users wrote:



On 2020-08-12 16:16, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker 
Standard.


std is version 2021

Free is version 2018


___
I have decided to install the Free version on the new computer. It all 
looks familiar, but I cannot remember how to defeat superscripting 
once and for all.
Please let me know how to do this. (You might tell the publishers in 
Germany that superscripting is not a normal way of writing in the US. 
A short
perusal of US newspaper styles will show you that nothing is ever 
superscripted, nor is it in books for general reading, rather than, 
say, textbooks.) 

Followup:
I had previously asked for assistance in suppressing superscripting in 
FreeOffice 2018 Textmaker, and got no reply. Probably because free 
softwarecomes with no assistance. 

So after much searching and futzing around, I found out how to do it:

With a document open, go to Tools>Options>Edit. There are a bunch of 
check-boxes, one says "Superscript ordinal numbers" --uncheck that box 
and then click OK.


That seems to have done it for all documents. To be on the safe side, 
you may save the opened document, but I don't think that's necessary. If 
you find
any gotcha in this procedure--something I forgot or left out--please 
write a line or two here and correct me.


Reminder: If you are going to use the document in another word 
processor, or send it to someone who does not have Textmaker, save it in 
Microsoft Word format!


--doug
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Re: Network printer

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/16/20 1:34 PM, Matti Pulkkinen wrote:

Doug H. kirjoitti 16.8.2020 klo 19.00:

Depends on the printer. What make/model?


None yet. I haven't decided whether I'll buy one yet. I don't want one 
that'll only work on one computer at a time, but at the same time I 
don't want to set up a printing server, or really anything where I 
have to connect the printer to a computer at all. I just want the 
printer to have a power cord and an ethernet cable connected to it, 
and ideally I want it to Just Work™. I'm trying to figure out if this 
is even possible at this time.
I think that the fellow with the Brother printer was very lucky. I have 
two (actually three, but one not often used) printers, one HP and one 
Epson, and OpenSuse Tumbleweed, and
so far I cannot get them working. Previously I used these printers on a 
different Linux system, and a kind soul told me how to get them to work: 
it was complicated. However, I

would guess that in most cases, HP would be the least problem to make work.
--doug


For my Brother printer I downloaded a script directly from Brother 
and told it what model. It found the printer, downloaded the rpm 
files for both print and scan and installed them. All functions work 
very well. This is a DCP-L2550DW.


Is this over the network, or connected to a PC over USB?



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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/13/20 1:48 AM, Todd Chester via users wrote:



On 2020-08-12 16:16, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker 
Standard.


std is version 2021

Free is version 2018


___
I have decided to install the Free version on the new computer. It all 
looks familiar, but I cannot remember how to defeat superscripting once 
and for all.
Please let me know how to do this. (You might tell the publishers in 
Germany that superscripting is not a normal way of writing in the US. A 
short
perusal of US newspaper styles will show you that nothing is ever 
superscripted, nor is it in books for general reading, rather than, say, 
textbooks.)

Thanx, --doug
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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/13/20 1:48 AM, Todd Chester via users wrote:



On 2020-08-12 16:16, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker 
Standard.


std is version 2021

Free is version 2018


Thank you.  --doug
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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/12/20 7:23 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-08-13 07:16, Doug McGarrett wrote:

Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker Standard. I am 
going to install one or the other on my new computer running Linux

You could use a google search to find

https://www.softmaker.com/en/comparison-freeoffice-softmaker-office


I quote Todd and Margo:

"SoftMaker Office has two types of licensing policies, SoftMaker Office 
NX (subscription) and _SoftMaker Office 2021 Professional or Standard 
(lifetime licenses_)."


When I read "lifetime licenses" I do NOT read an annual fee for using 
the software. Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope Todd and Margo will clarify this 
for me and the
other interested parties who have been commenting on this subject. I 
would actually rather just _buy_ the Professional version, one time, and 
have full
capabilities (and the authorization to use it on two or three machines 
at my house, if possible) rather than settle for a watered-down version 
like Free Office.
The old policy of offering free answers to simple questions for what was 
(I thought) good for the life of the purchased software--i.e., at least  
until a new version
was issued, was very attractive to me, and would still be. I am unhappy 
with what amounts to a rental agreement, subject to eviction if you 
don't cough up a

renewal fee every year.

--doug
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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/12/20 7:16 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:



On 8/12/20 4:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-08-11 16:13, Doug McGarrett wrote:



On 8/11/20 4:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-08-11 12:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I like Softmaker Office


I am seeing a 30 day trial (.rpm's, yippee) but no free version
___
It's been a while since I looked at the website. It turns out that 
there is

now "FreeOffice" with a reasonably full text processor, that can write
PDFs as well as text, and fairly limited spreadsheet and slide maker.

As I'm going to have to put a word processor and spread-sheet reader
(not writer) on this new machine, I will probably install Free Office.
That's what i basically need. I occasionally get emailed a schedule
for something I participate in, in spread-sheet format, and as long
as I can read that and print it, it's enough for me. YMMV
(If it turns out I have no choice for some reason, I'll pay the $49.95
per year. To me it would be worth it.)
--doug



Dear customer,

SoftMaker Office has two types of licensing policies, SoftMaker 
Office NX (subscription) and SoftMaker Office 2021 Professional or 
Standard (lifetime licenses).


Best regards,
SoftMaker Team

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Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker 
Standard. I am going to install one or the other on my new computer 
running Linux, and I
would prefer whichever is most nearly like the old SoftMaker Office 
that was free up to maybe 3 or 4 years ago, which I still have on 
another machine.

Thanx!  --doug
I didn't read the whole thing! What's the difference between 
Professional, Standard, and Free Office? I won't mind a one-time charge, 
but I don't like

the idea of being held hostage to something that expires every year.
--doug
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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/12/20 4:13 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-08-11 16:13, Doug McGarrett wrote:



On 8/11/20 4:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-08-11 12:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I like Softmaker Office


I am seeing a 30 day trial (.rpm's, yippee) but no free version
___
It's been a while since I looked at the website. It turns out that 
there is

now "FreeOffice" with a reasonably full text processor, that can write
PDFs as well as text, and fairly limited spreadsheet and slide maker.

As I'm going to have to put a word processor and spread-sheet reader
(not writer) on this new machine, I will probably install Free Office.
That's what i basically need. I occasionally get emailed a schedule
for something I participate in, in spread-sheet format, and as long
as I can read that and print it, it's enough for me. YMMV
(If it turns out I have no choice for some reason, I'll pay the $49.95
per year. To me it would be worth it.)
--doug



Dear customer,

SoftMaker Office has two types of licensing policies, SoftMaker Office 
NX (subscription) and SoftMaker Office 2021 Professional or Standard 
(lifetime licenses).


Best regards,
SoftMaker Team

___
Please tell me the difference between Free Office and SoftMaker 
Standard. I am going to install one or the other on my new computer 
running Linux, and I
would prefer whcihever is most nearly like the old SoftMaker Office that 
was free up to maybe 3 or 4 years ago, which I still have on another 
machine.

Thanx!  --doug
PS--Didn't know that you two folks are reps for SoftMaker Office; are 
you in the US?

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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/11/20 8:23 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/11/20 4:59 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have tried to copy and paste some received printed copy into Libre 
Office and it seems like I always get some big black rectangular 
objects in the copied file. One reason I don't use it.


What does that even mean?  How can you copy from something that's 
printed?  Do you mean pdf?
Paste from something scanned or excerpted from an on-line article, for 
instance,  that can be printed out by itself, rearranged into a coherent 
package, not as part of a mixed

bag of magazine pages or like that.
It's been a while since I wanted to do that, but I ran into this 
situation a number of times. Libre Office Writer is self-censoring!

--doug

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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/11/20 7:26 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/11/20 3:39 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

LO is just obscure, full of bugs, and difficulty
use.   I have a customer that has never used either M$0
or LO.  So no "I can't learn anything new": an ideal test.
So I put him on LO.  He is writing up a book or something.
He called me three times a week over three months with
LO issues.  Finally out of frustration, he had me install
M$O.  He has called me two in the last two months.  One
was a Windows issue and not M$O.  One as how to adjust
the page view.


I don't have any problems with it and the many users I've installed 
Fedora for haven't had any serious issues with it.  I've had a few 
questions from them about how to do things, but generally easily 
resolved.  One found an actual bug with inserted graphics, but we were 
able to work around it and it got fixed quickly.
I have tried to copy and paste some received printed copy into Libre 
Office and it seems like I always get some big black rectangular objects 
in the copied file. One reason I don't use it.

--doug
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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/11/20 5:55 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-08-11 14:42, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-08-11 13:53, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-08-11 12:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I like Softmaker Office


I am seeing a 30 day trial (.rpm's, yippee) but no free version


Found it:

https://www.freeoffice.com/en/download/applications


H. Not sure that is the same folks

Comes from Softmaker. How could it not be?
Anyway, I'll find out in a day or so--I'm downloading it as I write.
--doug

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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

[Doug McGarrett]

On 8/11/20 4:53 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-08-11 12:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I like Softmaker Office


I am seeing a 30 day trial (.rpm's, yippee) but no free version
___

It's been a while since I looked at the website. It turns out that there is
now "FreeOffice" with a reasonably full text processor, that can write
PDFs as well as text, and fairly limited spreadsheet and slide maker.

As I'm going to have to put a word processor and spread-sheet reader
(not writer) on this new machine, I will probably install Free Office.
That's what i basically need. I occasionally get emailed a schedule
for something I participate in, in spread-sheet format, and as long
as I can read that and print it, it's enough for me. YMMV
(If it turns out I have no choice for some reason, I'll pay the $49.95
per year. To me it would be worth it.)
--doug
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Re: Any subs for Libreoffice?

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On 8/11/20 7:07 AM, jtagcat via users wrote:


You might want to try out the notebookbar 
. It 
wouldn't solve all your problems, but might prove to be more familiar.


On 11.08.20 07:11, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

I just installed LibreOffice-7.0.0-Linux_x86-64_rpm.tar.gz.
It is is even worse than 6.4 !!!

  AHHH

I really, really want to like LibreOffice, but ...

Please tell me there is an alternative to Libre office
that actually works right!!!

How do I switch back and forth from portrait to landscape in 7.0?
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/259593/how-do-i-switch-back-and-forth-from-portrait-to-landscape-in-70/ 



Page Breaks are greyed out in 7.0
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/259594/page-breaks-are-greyed-out-in-70/ 



Many thanks,
-T
I like Softmaker Office. There's a paid version and a free version. It's 
proprietary, but I
don't have any problem with that. It works well, and if you have the 
paid version--unfortunately
now an annual subscription--free assistance. It has a word processor, a 
spread-sheet app,
and a presentation app. I forget what the fourth one is that MS-Word 
has, but I don't need it.
(I don't need the presentation app either.) You can turn off the 
superscripting in the word
processor.  And you can save in MS-Word formats if you wish--usually a 
good idea if you are

ever going to share your documents.
--doug
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Re: Interfaces

[Doug McGarrett]

On 6/9/20 12:01 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

I don't know about GUIs in general, but I do know that
only one icon means anything to anyone :-). They invented
the envelope icon to mean mail, and everyone recognized it,
so they set off the dynamite in the icon factory and
exploded cryptic icons all over everything, and not
one of them can be recognized (other than mail).

You have a point, altho not completely correct. Among the icons on my 
KDE screen,
the Package Manager looks like a wrapped parcel, two CD icons (K3b and 
Brasero)
sort of look like CDs, KCalc looks like a pocket calculator, sort of, 
KPatience card
games looks like playing cards. And Thunderbird, while showing a letter, 
has it
wrapped in a wig that covers where ears would be. Is that supposed to be 
feathers?

Anyway, one gets used to the image associated with a given app--much better
than have every app look like a manila folder--thanx to Microsoft for 
that! Even they

realized their error rather quickly.
--doug
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Re: Hourly Error Message of Unknown Provenance

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On 6/8/20 6:55 PM, jdow wrote:
The latest one is a java based exploit that hits both Linux and 
Windows. It was announced within the past week. CERT is a good place 
to go looking for exploits. Running as root for system maintenance 
makes sense. Running as root routinely day after day is asking for 
problems. Perhaps the worst malware that exists is the interface 
between the screen and the keyboard making a typo or a thinko.
I think the "problem" has been, by this time, done to death, but from 
what I'm reading on the Kubuntu list, I think the latest rev may
have restored a version of Dolphin--perhaps under a different name--that 
accesses a root environment. (I have in my records a
means of creating this situation on an old PCLOS version. I don't know 
if it would work in a modern environment.) OpenSUSE's KDE provides
Dolphin PLUS a separate app that looks and works like Dolphin, but has 
root access after you supply a password.


Now to the question for you: CERT seems to mean Community Emergency 
Response Team. Is this what you mean, or am I (probably)

missing something?

--doug, WA2SAY




{^_^}

On 20200608 10:54:21, Tom Horsley wrote:

I keep asking for people to point me to the huge list
of exploits that certainly must exist given all the
horrors expressed about running as root.

No one has ever been able to tell me where to find it.
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Re: Driver for Epson Photo Printer

[Doug McGarrett]

On 5/26/20 1:19 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

If it is a network printer you could run a windows virtual machine
and print from there (maybe USB pass-through would also work
for a direct connection).

I know I gave up long ago on a working scanner for linux
and do all my scanning (fortunately not a lot of it) from
my windows 10 virtual machine.
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I have used XSane Scanner Tool on OpenSuse, and some years ago, on PCLinuxOs.
I have discovered that I had to tell my Epson all-in-one to have a fixed IP
address--in my case, 192.168.1.26--to make printing and scanning work in 
OpenSuse.
(I also had fixed IP in PCLinux, but I don't remember if it was necessary then.)
You should be able to tell the printer to use a fixed IP, and what it should be.
YMMV.

--doug
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Re: OT: is it possible to increase the volume in an mp4 file

[Doug McGarrett]

On 4/2/20 12:03 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-04-02 11:44, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

I apologize for this OT question but I have just finished recording an 
hour-long masterpiece for my class. However, the volume appears to be really 
low. I don't know why this happened, but long story short, I really do not want 
to do this again, so I was wondering is there any software on Fedora 31 that 
will allow me to edit the mp4 to increase the volume. I doubt that this is that 
easy, but I still thought that I would give it a try.

Many thanks again for your suggestions, and best wishes,


Not really OT since it is a question about usage of utilities under fedora.

I'm sure there are command line options.  However, I've been using HandBrake 
from rpmfusion quite
a bit to add Chinese subtitles to movies for friends and family.

One of the options when doing this is in the audio area to up the gain.  I've 
used this option and it has
served me well.

If you have to increase the gain significantly, the SSN--signal to noise ratio--is likely to take a beating. Try it and 
see.  --doug

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Re: 24 hour time again -

[Doug McGarrett]

On 12/24/2019 06:58 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:


On 2019-12-24 18:40, Ed Greshko wrote:

What is LC_TYPE?.


Something from my subconscious apparently ...

LC_TIME="C" works and I get 24 hour time after rebooting.

Thank you


I'd like to have 24 hour time also but this theme has confused me.
If I could JUST put LC_TIME="C" and have it work, where would I enter
this command?
--doug
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Doug McGarrett]

On 10/01/2019 03:52 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/01/19 13:39, SternData wrote:

I'm using a Netgear Orbi system. There's a base unit that is also an
access point, then satellite units. The satellites have a "private" 5GHz
channel for talking to the base.


.
I think that is the one she read about in Consumer Reports. All I saw
with some googling was a lot glowing advertising stuff. So then it
appears the units have to be located so that there is a clear 5GHz radio
path between them, that could work, but not what I hoped for.

Thanks for the response, Bob

--

Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA



I think 5GHz will go thru ordinary plasterboard walls to a limited 
extent. You need to put the base unit fairly high up, so that it has as 
much clear air as possible between it and the satellites--i.e., it 
should not have to go thru a bookcase or a dresser to get to a 
satellite! As usual, ymmv, and some experimentation may help. Try and
keep the base close to the center of the areas you want to put the 
satellites in as possible.


--doug, retired RF engineer.
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Re: Fool mouse with minecraft

[Doug McGarrett]

On 08/05/2019 10:10 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 08:36:12 -0400
Robert Moskowitz wrote:


So far, 8 months into ownership, I have not needed to clean the
trackball, but it is easy to take out.


I've used these for years simply because I like them better,
but after a long time (a few years at least) I see little
crumbs of the hard rubber-like material the wheel is made of
accumulating in the ball socket. I have to take the ball out and
bang the mouse on the table to get the pile of rubber crumbs
out till the next time.


The Kensington trackball does not have a rubber ball--it seems to be 
some kind of hard plastic, and as I mentioned, these that I have have
been in use for years. But I suppose skin particles get on the ball 
after a while, so you do have to clean them once in a while. The ball 
just comes right out, so don't lose it!


To answer a different question raised in this thread--I don't have any 
way to zoom with the trackball, but scrolling is easy enough. There is
a sort of zoom app called KMag, for KDE systems, but I don't find it 
very helpful.


--doug


I already bought a replacement to use if this one stops working
completely. I can't complain about how long it took for something
to start falling apart though, it has lasted a long time.
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Re: Final on enlarging swap - I really needed more memory

[Doug McGarrett]

On 08/04/2019 07:32 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2019-08-04 at 12:16 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

All last week I ran with 4GB real memory and a total of 8GB swap.

I was using all the real memory and pretty much 4GB of swap with
poor performance.


I think I'd consider 4 gig of RAM a bare minimum, these days.  As
memory size has gone up, programmers seem to have abandoned trying to
be efficient.

If your prior install was apparently okay, you might have been just on
the boundary between where things ran smoothly and were close to
grinding through swap to operate.

When my systems started to go through swap, usually from firefox going
doolallay with some badly written site, it was usually unrecoverable.
I had to quit it real quick, or I could spend the next hour trying to
get the computer to do a clean shutdown.


Use GParted to shrink your swap and expand your normal space. You should 
probably not need more than 4 GiB swap. If your repo doesn't have

GParted, you can download a copy and run it from a self-booting disk.
I have used it many times to move partitions around, especially to 
reclaim the mess that Windows 10 makes on a new computer.


--doug
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Re: Fool mouse with minecraft

[Doug McGarrett]

On 08/04/2019 07:27 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2019-08-04 at 19:28 +0200, Frédéric wrote:

it seems simpler than that. We tested another mouse and it worked
much better. So it's probably the wire that has false contact.


Mice do wear out.  The cable, the connections, are subject to metal
fatigue.  Fluff getting into optical sensors can make them erratic.
Buttons wear out, the soldering around the buttons goes bad.

I've had several PS/2 mice, and I think a couple of USB ones, where the
computer didn't seem to supply enough power to drive them, or was
giving them electrical noise, and they'd frequently go whizzing all
over the screen madly clicking on things.  On a long cable, or plugged
into front panel sockets they'd do this very often.  But plugged
straight into the motherboard socket they were usually fine.

I have at least one mouse that rapidly goes into a power save mode, and
is repeatedly logged as disconnecting when you leave it idle.



I have been using a Kensington trackball for years, and except for 
wiping off the ball and wiping up the inside of the base every once in a 
while,  it is very reliable, and of course, it takes up no extra desk 
space, since it doesn't have to be moved around. You should try one!
(I have the cheapie, with only two buttons and no scroll--you don't need 
a scroll wheel with a trackball. About $25, if I remember.) Three

computers, three trackballs.

--doug
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Re: quick (I hope) e-mail security question.

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On 07/13/2019 05:58 PM, home user via users wrote:

I just received a message from
[sender]@gmail.com
but the last line in the message is a bluish line saying
"Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android"
I do know someone named [sender] but the from address is not what I have
for that person, though the sender could have gotten a new e-mail
address very recently.  Also, the from address being a Google e-mail
address seems to contradict the last line saying the message was sent
from Yahoo Mail.  Is this message probably genuine or probably a spoof?

thanks,
Bill.
It is surely spam. You should advise your friend that his email has been 
compromised, and he should be aware of any possible malware on his 
computer. There probably is some! (I have seen this situation myself!)


--doug
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Re: Opening Files With Root Privilege?.....

[Doug McGarrett]

On 07/12/2019 03:47 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

Hello all,

There was a time when you could go to the terminal and type in "sudo
nautilus" and you'd get the file system to open with root powers so that
you could do things and manipulate files. This seems to have been
removed / stopped / taken away? So how do I gain the ability to work on
files / folders or directories now? Can anyone point me in the right
direction here?


Thanks!


EGO II


If you do not already have a password--I don't know how your system 
works--then in the terminal type passwd (return) and it should ask for 
one. Enter the password of your choice--the system would like one with 
six characters, but may accept one with five.

Then, when you need to access something as root, open the terminal and
type su (return) and then your password. If you already have a root 
password, then just type su. Forget sudo. The root system will remain 
open until you close it.


--doug
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Re: Email Client

[Doug McGarrett]

On 6/11/19 8:06 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 6/12/19 4:13 AM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I find that it is difficult if not impossible to make Thunderbird mark every
incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it.

Really?

Message Filters don't work properly for you?
I'll give that a try. As I mentioned, I'm not a recent user of 
Thunderbird, so I don't know how it works, exactly.
One other thing: Several times, every single incoming mail has been 
marked junk. I know there is a multi-key
command that will unmark the entire list, but I don't remember what it 
is. Help, anyone? Thanx!

--doug
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Re: Email Client

[Doug McGarrett]

On 6/10/19 7:24 PM, Temlakos wrote:

On 6/10/19 5:42 PM, Douglas G Mckendrick via users wrote:

Evening all,
I'm after setting up an email client, I've tried thunderbird for my 
gmail account, but I get a google complaint about the client not 
being secure enough.  Is there another recommended email client?  Or 
can we make thunderbird more secure to pass the google checks?


Thanks in advance

D.


Google is going to complain no matter what e-mail client you choose. 
It assumes without warrant that any desktop or laptop from which you 
access Google Mail by any interface other than their browser 
interface, is /shared/.


Thunderbird is the best cross-platform e-mail client I can recommend.

TEmlakos


I have recently come back to Thunderbird after using a clone of an 
earlier Mozilla product. I find that it is difficult if not impossible 
to make Thunderbird mark every
incidence of mail from a particular address as junk and reject it. I 
would use something else with a similar interface, but Thunderbird is 
the only app that I have
encountered that can automatically find and configure the various 
software addresses and so on that most other applications 
require--digital numbers that I have no
idea of.  If I can't answer the setup questions, I can't try a different 
mail product. (Running Linux in two different KDE versions.) Please advise.

--doug
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