Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[sixpack13]

i you got an second windows box or an windows-VM with usb access:

in windows:
open an terminal/powershell with admin rights
1. run diskpart
run all the following comands step by step:
2. list disk
3. select disk N (N is your usb stick)
4. detail disk (to check if it's the right drive)
5. clean (all contents of the stick is lost !!!)
6. create partition primary
7. format fs=ntfs quick
8. assign
9. active
10. copy the whole contents of the mounted iso (windows installer dvd) to the 
usb stick

hints:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/diskpart

maybe you need to integrate some driver (USB3, NVMe) into the iso before copy 
/usb afterwards
USB3 only for Win7; Win > 8 ist buildin. 
NVMe ???

MSI provides a tool => "MSI Smart Tool":
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B250-PC-MATE.html#down-driver%2064

tool should (?!) run on non-MSI-boxes too
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-07-07 03:09, Michal Schorm wrote:

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:05 AM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:

The ISO is missing the boot components in the right locations to boot.


Thanks for the info!
I've experienced this issue (ability to "dd" Fedora iso images to USB
WHILE inability to "dd" Windows iso images to USB) for years.
Even though the "Fedora to Windows ratio" on my devices is roughly
15:1 (which means I'm unlikely to need to create a Windows USB
installer ever again), I'm happy to learn both the core issue and the
solution.

--

Michal Schorm
Software Engineer
Core Services - Databases Team
Red Hat


Hi Michal,

I am usually the one always asking the questions.  It is
nice to finally answer one.  You are most welcome!

-T
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Michal Schorm]

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:05 AM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:
> The ISO is missing the boot components in the right locations to boot.

Thanks for the info!
I've experienced this issue (ability to "dd" Fedora iso images to USB
WHILE inability to "dd" Windows iso images to USB) for years.
Even though the "Fedora to Windows ratio" on my devices is roughly
15:1 (which means I'm unlikely to need to create a Windows USB
installer ever again), I'm happy to learn both the core issue and the
solution.

--

Michal Schorm
Software Engineer
Core Services - Databases Team
Red Hat
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-07-06 05:37, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Robin Lee > wrote:


I'm trying to do a very simple task on my Fedora 32 desktop but somehow
I can't make it happen.

I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com
 that I
put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical machine,
but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu, but
it won't boot.


I've used Fedora Media Writer to write a windows iso to USB stick 
without issue.


If that doesn't work then you may have some other issue.

Thanks,
Richard


Uh...   Not lately.  Use can burn their ISO to a DVD,
but you have to use WoeUSB in Linux or Rufis in Windows
to burn to a Flash drive.   The ISO is missing the boot
components in the right locations to boot.  M$ doe not
play well with the other kiddies in the sand box.




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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-07-06 06:07, Robin Lee wrote:

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 15:15 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


Ha!  I finally get to answer one instead of always asking
all the questions.

:-)


Install WoeUSB (as root):



Thanks Todd, with WoeUSB everything just worked.

Cheers
Robin


Hi Robin,

Awesome!

One thing you are going to run across if you
are using qemu-kvm with that flash drive you
just created


libvirt.libvirtError: internal error: vendor cannot be 0
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1850091

They will fix shortly!

:-)

-T
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Robin Lee]

On Mon, 2020-07-06 at 07:37 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Robin Lee 
> wrote:
> > I'm trying to do a very simple task on my Fedora 32 desktop but
> > somehow
> > I can't make it happen.
> > 
> > I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com
> > that I
> > put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical
> > machine,
> > but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu,
> > but
> > it won't boot. 
> 
> I've used Fedora Media Writer to write a windows iso to USB stick
> without issue. 

That's not my experience. Perhaps it has lost that ability due to some
bug. With a fully updated Fedora 23 and the latest Windows 10 installer
iso both Disk Image Writer and Brasero failed and WoeUSB succeeded in
creating a bootable Windows usb.

Cheers
Robin
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Robin Lee]

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 15:15 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> 
> Ha!  I finally get to answer one instead of always asking
> all the questions.
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> Install WoeUSB (as root):


Thanks Todd, with WoeUSB everything just worked.

Cheers
Robin
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Robin Lee  wrote:

> I'm trying to do a very simple task on my Fedora 32 desktop but somehow
> I can't make it happen.
>
> I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com that I
> put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical machine,
> but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu, but
> it won't boot.
>

I've used Fedora Media Writer to write a windows iso to USB stick without
issue.

If that doesn't work then you may have some other issue.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-07-05 15:15, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2020-07-05 12:01, Robin Lee wrote:

I'm trying to do a very simple task on my Fedora 32 desktop but somehow
I can't make it happen.

I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com that I
put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical machine,
but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu, but
it won't boot.

I've tried to install the same ISO-file in Boxes and that went fine.
I've tried both Brasero and Disk Image Writer, I've tried two different
USB-sticks and two different physical target machines.

What am I doing wrong? Or is this nefarious scheming by Linux to stop
people from experimenting with alternative operating systems?



Hi Robin,


Ha!  I finally get to answer one instead of always asking
all the questions.

:-)


Install WoeUSB (as root):

    # dnf install WoeUSB

It comes with a gui and a command line option:

Find your flash drive (sd[x]):
    $ ls -al /dev/sd*

I stick it in and pull it out and see who appears
and disappers.  You can also us gparted


First, erase your flash drive.  MAKE SURE YOU HAVE
THE RIGHT ONE!!!
    # dd bs=4096 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd[x]


Gui:
    sudo root -c woeusbgui

Make sure you choose NTFS


Command line:

# woeusb --target-filesystem NTFS --device Win10_2004_English_x64.iso 
/dev/sd[x]


This is Linux.  Everythig is possible!

:-)

-T


Hi Robin,

Off list

Did yo get it to work?

I was going got post my W10 defang, but I thought
everyone would not appreciate that on a Linux list.

Write me off list if you want it.

-T
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Jon LaBadie]

On Sun, Jul 05, 2020 at 09:48:03PM +0200, Robin Lee wrote:
> On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:21 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 7/5/20 12:01 PM, Robin Lee wrote:
> > > I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com
> > > that I
> > > put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical
> > > machine,
> > > but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu,
> > > but
> > > it won't boot.
> > > 
> > > I've tried to install the same ISO-file in Boxes and that went
> > > fine.
> > > I've tried both Brasero and Disk Image Writer, I've tried two
> > > different
> > > USB-sticks and two different physical target machines.
> > 
> > Boxes will make it a DVD drive, not USB.
> > 
> > Isn't Brasero only for writing to optical media?  Anyway, I would
> > just 
> > use dd to write it to the flash drive.
> > 
> > In a terminal (change sdc to whatever your flash drive is):
> > sudo dd if=windows.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M status=progress
> 
> Same result.
> 
> Also tested creating a bootable USB-stick with a Centos ISO-file. No
> problem.

Until recently, whenever I made a bootable USB drive from an ISO-file,
to use it I had to go into the BIOS and allow "legacy" devices precedence
over existing secure-boot devices.

But recently, with the Fedora 32 stick I made, I had to disallow the
legacy devices as the ISO was intended for secure-boot.

Perhaps your CentOS stick is secure-boot, thus working for you
but the others need the "legacy" change to the BIOS.

Jon
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2020-07-05 12:01, Robin Lee wrote:

I'm trying to do a very simple task on my Fedora 32 desktop but somehow
I can't make it happen.

I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com that I
put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical machine,
but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu, but
it won't boot.

I've tried to install the same ISO-file in Boxes and that went fine.
I've tried both Brasero and Disk Image Writer, I've tried two different
USB-sticks and two different physical target machines.

What am I doing wrong? Or is this nefarious scheming by Linux to stop
people from experimenting with alternative operating systems?



Hi Robin,


Ha!  I finally get to answer one instead of always asking
all the questions.

:-)


Install WoeUSB (as root):

   # dnf install WoeUSB

It comes with a gui and a command line option:

Find your flash drive (sd[x]):
   $ ls -al /dev/sd*

I stick it in and pull it out and see who appears
and disappers.  You can also us gparted


First, erase your flash drive.  MAKE SURE YOU HAVE
THE RIGHT ONE!!!
   # dd bs=4096 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd[x]


Gui:
   sudo root -c woeusbgui

Make sure you choose NTFS


Command line:

# woeusb --target-filesystem NTFS --device Win10_2004_English_x64.iso 
/dev/sd[x]


This is Linux.  Everythig is possible!

:-)

-T
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/5/20 1:17 PM, Robin Lee wrote:

Installer iso-files that couldn't be put on a usb-stick doesn't seem to
make sense. The file is called Win10_2004_English_x64.iso


Why doesn't it make sense?  An .iso file is intended to be written to a 
DVD, not a flash drive.  The Fedora images are specially created so that 
they work on both, but the windows ones might not be.

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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[George N. White III]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 17:17, Robin Lee  wrote:

>
> Installer iso-files that couldn't be put on a usb-stick doesn't seem to
> make sense. The file is called Win10_2004_English_x64.iso
> After the iso-file is on the stick Gnome Disks gives the contents as
> UDF version 1.02 and it can be mounted.
>

A common mistake is to just copy the .iso file to a USB key.   You want
the contents of  the USB key to look like the contents of the iso file.


> I have to see if I can find any special instructions from
> microsoft.com, although they would probably not cover how to do it on
> Fedora
>

It should not matter what OS is on the system disk when booting the Windows
installer (what the Windows installer does to Fedora may be an issue).

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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Thomas Letherby]

For Windows I'd try formatting the USB Stick with ExFAT and then copying
over the files from the ISO.

Something like this: https://itsfoss.com/bootable-windows-usb-linux/ which
is the first guide I found, it's for Ubuntu but I don't think there's much
if any difference in this case.

You used to have to flag the partition on the USB as bootable, but don't
think I've needed to in recent years.

Thomas

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:17 PM Robin Lee  wrote:

> On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:51 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 7/5/20 12:48 PM, Robin Lee wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:21 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > > On 7/5/20 12:01 PM, Robin Lee wrote:
> > > > > I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com
> > > > > that I
> > > > > put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical
> > > > > machine,
> > > > > but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot
> > > > > menu,
> > > > > but
> > > > > it won't boot.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've tried to install the same ISO-file in Boxes and that went
> > > > > fine.
> > > > > I've tried both Brasero and Disk Image Writer, I've tried two
> > > > > different
> > > > > USB-sticks and two different physical target machines.
> > > >
> > > > Boxes will make it a DVD drive, not USB.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't Brasero only for writing to optical media?  Anyway, I would
> > > > just
> > > > use dd to write it to the flash drive.
> > > >
> > > > In a terminal (change sdc to whatever your flash drive is):
> > > > sudo dd if=windows.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M status=progress
> > >
> > > Same result.
> > >
> > > Also tested creating a bootable USB-stick with a Centos ISO-file.
> > > No
> > > problem.
> >
> > Maybe that file can't be booted from usb.  Are there any
> > instructions
> > from Microsoft about how to do it?  I know I have done it a couple
> > of
> > times in the past.
>
> Installer iso-files that couldn't be put on a usb-stick doesn't seem to
> make sense. The file is called Win10_2004_English_x64.iso
> After the iso-file is on the stick Gnome Disks gives the contents as
> UDF version 1.02 and it can be mounted.
>
> I have to see if I can find any special instructions from
> microsoft.com, although they would probably not cover how to do it on
> Fedora
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Robin Lee]

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:51 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 7/5/20 12:48 PM, Robin Lee wrote:
> > On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:21 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > On 7/5/20 12:01 PM, Robin Lee wrote:
> > > > I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com
> > > > that I
> > > > put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical
> > > > machine,
> > > > but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot
> > > > menu,
> > > > but
> > > > it won't boot.
> > > > 
> > > > I've tried to install the same ISO-file in Boxes and that went
> > > > fine.
> > > > I've tried both Brasero and Disk Image Writer, I've tried two
> > > > different
> > > > USB-sticks and two different physical target machines.
> > > 
> > > Boxes will make it a DVD drive, not USB.
> > > 
> > > Isn't Brasero only for writing to optical media?  Anyway, I would
> > > just
> > > use dd to write it to the flash drive.
> > > 
> > > In a terminal (change sdc to whatever your flash drive is):
> > > sudo dd if=windows.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M status=progress
> > 
> > Same result.
> > 
> > Also tested creating a bootable USB-stick with a Centos ISO-file.
> > No
> > problem.
> 
> Maybe that file can't be booted from usb.  Are there any
> instructions 
> from Microsoft about how to do it?  I know I have done it a couple
> of 
> times in the past.

Installer iso-files that couldn't be put on a usb-stick doesn't seem to
make sense. The file is called Win10_2004_English_x64.iso
After the iso-file is on the stick Gnome Disks gives the contents as
UDF version 1.02 and it can be mounted.

I have to see if I can find any special instructions from
microsoft.com, although they would probably not cover how to do it on
Fedora
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Tom Horsley]

> Maybe that file can't be booted from usb.  Are there any instructions 
> from Microsoft about how to do it?  I know I have done it a couple of 
> times in the past.

I have seen claims that yumi can boot a windows iso from a usb
stick, but have no personal experience with it.
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/5/20 12:48 PM, Robin Lee wrote:

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:21 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/5/20 12:01 PM, Robin Lee wrote:

I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com
that I
put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical
machine,
but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu,
but
it won't boot.

I've tried to install the same ISO-file in Boxes and that went
fine.
I've tried both Brasero and Disk Image Writer, I've tried two
different
USB-sticks and two different physical target machines.


Boxes will make it a DVD drive, not USB.

Isn't Brasero only for writing to optical media?  Anyway, I would
just
use dd to write it to the flash drive.

In a terminal (change sdc to whatever your flash drive is):
sudo dd if=windows.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M status=progress


Same result.

Also tested creating a bootable USB-stick with a Centos ISO-file. No
problem.


Maybe that file can't be booted from usb.  Are there any instructions 
from Microsoft about how to do it?  I know I have done it a couple of 
times in the past.

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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Robin Lee]

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:21 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 7/5/20 12:01 PM, Robin Lee wrote:
> > I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com
> > that I
> > put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical
> > machine,
> > but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu,
> > but
> > it won't boot.
> > 
> > I've tried to install the same ISO-file in Boxes and that went
> > fine.
> > I've tried both Brasero and Disk Image Writer, I've tried two
> > different
> > USB-sticks and two different physical target machines.
> 
> Boxes will make it a DVD drive, not USB.
> 
> Isn't Brasero only for writing to optical media?  Anyway, I would
> just 
> use dd to write it to the flash drive.
> 
> In a terminal (change sdc to whatever your flash drive is):
> sudo dd if=windows.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M status=progress

Same result.

Also tested creating a bootable USB-stick with a Centos ISO-file. No
problem.
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Re: Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/5/20 12:01 PM, Robin Lee wrote:

I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com that I
put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical machine,
but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu, but
it won't boot.

I've tried to install the same ISO-file in Boxes and that went fine.
I've tried both Brasero and Disk Image Writer, I've tried two different
USB-sticks and two different physical target machines.


Boxes will make it a DVD drive, not USB.

Isn't Brasero only for writing to optical media?  Anyway, I would just 
use dd to write it to the flash drive.


In a terminal (change sdc to whatever your flash drive is):
sudo dd if=windows.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M status=progress
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Bootable USB and a Windows ISO-file

[Robin Lee]

I'm trying to do a very simple task on my Fedora 32 desktop but somehow
I can't make it happen.

I've downloaded a Windows installer ISO-file from microsoft.com that I
put on a USB-stick and tried to install Windows on physical machine,
but it won't boot from the USB. It shows up in the BIOS boot menu, but
it won't boot. 

I've tried to install the same ISO-file in Boxes and that went fine.
I've tried both Brasero and Disk Image Writer, I've tried two different
USB-sticks and two different physical target machines.

What am I doing wrong? Or is this nefarious scheming by Linux to stop
people from experimenting with alternative operating systems?
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