Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-08 Thread Neil Thompson
55, In IT since 1980 (COBOL, punch cards, etc).

Linux - SLS (April(ish) 1994)
  - Slackware (Shortly afterwards)
  - Red Hat Mother's Day (May 1995) and been on Redhattish stuff ever 
since.

Currently chief linux geek at an engineering copmpany.

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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-06 Thread Cristian Sava
Hi ALL,

I am 60 and am running Linux since RedHat 4.2, always RH/Fedora.
I'm IT Professional since 1977 and I'm now using F19 on desktops and
servers with great success. I also use Centos but I'm more comfortable
with Fedora.
Congrats to all of you making this wonderful distro!

Best Regards,
Cristian Sava


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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-06 Thread Rick Stevens

On 12/06/2013 05:51 AM, Cristian Sava issued this missive:

Hi ALL,

I am 60 and am running Linux since RedHat 4.2, always RH/Fedora.
I'm IT Professional since 1977 and I'm now using F19 on desktops and
servers with great success. I also use Centos but I'm more comfortable
with Fedora.
Congrats to all of you making this wonderful distro!

Best Regards,
Cristian Sava


I'm 56, still working. Started in electronics in 1971, became a pro
in 1976 as a systems engineer (both hardware and software). Started
out running DG Novas and various DEC platforms (PDP11s and Vaxen). I was
on the initial ANSI C and SCSI standardization committees back in the
day.

I've been using various Unix flavors since 1977 (SunOS, Solaris, Ultrix,
DG/UX, Irix, SVR3, SVR4 to name a few) and Linux since early Slackware
releases (kernel 0.5something) and I've been a RH/Fedora user since RH
4.x.

I, like many, laud the efforts of ALL Linux developers, but particular
kudos should go to the RH/Fedora gang. While I disagree with a lot of
what has been done (Gnome is a massive bloat and systemd buys you very
little, for example), overall it's a really good environment.

We use CentOS on our live platforms because we need the stability and
we don't really need Red Hat's tech support (if we did, we'd buy and
use RHEL). That being said, all our Linux development is done initially
on Fedora and backported to CentOS. It works and it works well.

I hereby raise a virtual glass to the Fedora team! Cheers, mates! Well
done!
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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-05 Thread DB

On 12/04/2013 11:14 PM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

Subject:
Fedora's audience
From:
Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net
Date:
Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02 + (UTC)


Hi all,

Going on 72, worked with computors(!) before they became computers 
(started 1963) using Fedora since FC6, both on desktop  laptop.


Always good to learn from (wish I still had Computer Literacy's Unix CLI 
card...).


Many thanks to all involved!!

Dave
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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-05 Thread Bob Marcan
 On 12/04/2013 10:25 AM, Beartooth wrote:
   By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring
  in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow
  retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have
  such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?
 

Age 63, retired 3 months ago, IT professional from 1976.
First Linux RH 4, if i remember properly, current F18, waiting F20.
BR, Bob
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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-05 Thread fernando
  

Hi, 

 By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be
retiring
 in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I
see more
 fellow
 retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers.
Does anyone here
 have
 such numbers, or know of a source from
whence to get them?

if you want numbers, you should setup a web pool.
E-mail replies, no matter how nice they are, won't give you numbers.


[]s, Fernando Lozano 

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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote:

 if you want numbers, you should setup a web pool. E-mail replies, no
 matter how nice they are, won't give you numbers.



And any such numbers will be self-selecting and hence unreliable. I don' t
know how many people are on this list, but regular posters are a subgroup
of a few dozen and I'm sure the lurkers are many many more.

(Just for the hell of it: 64, retired, used Linux since 1995 and Unix since
1976)

poc
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Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread Beartooth

Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me 
strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty years 
ago. 

Was (now is) RH/F, and Linux generally, *for* all  sundry? Or 
was/is it essentially a plaything of the Alpha Plus Technoids? Which 
*should* it be?

That distinction applied to shoes and ships and sealing wax, to 
cabbages and kings; i.e., all the way from designing new apps for GUI, 
for CLI only, or for some compromise -- to what sorts of posters and 
questions ought to be welcome or unwelcome on the public lists. 

I remember pointing out repeatedly that when the Baby Boomers 
began to retire, and cease to be bound to their employers' systems, some 
fraction of them would take up Linux -- and it wouldn't need a very big 
fraction of their numbers to make a substantial difference to Linux. 

To the best of my recollection, that issue never resolved into 
any consensus. RedHat changed its whole strategy, and suddenly many of us 
had far more urgent concerns than just the philosophic ones.

 By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring 
in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow 
retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have 
such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?

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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread David
On 12/4/2013 1:25 PM, Beartooth wrote:
 
   Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me 
 strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty years 
 ago. 
 
   Was (now is) RH/F, and Linux generally, *for* all  sundry? Or 
 was/is it essentially a plaything of the Alpha Plus Technoids? Which 
 *should* it be?
 
   That distinction applied to shoes and ships and sealing wax, to 
 cabbages and kings; i.e., all the way from designing new apps for GUI, 
 for CLI only, or for some compromise -- to what sorts of posters and 
 questions ought to be welcome or unwelcome on the public lists. 
 
   I remember pointing out repeatedly that when the Baby Boomers 
 began to retire, and cease to be bound to their employers' systems, some 
 fraction of them would take up Linux -- and it wouldn't need a very big 
 fraction of their numbers to make a substantial difference to Linux. 
 
   To the best of my recollection, that issue never resolved into 
 any consensus. RedHat changed its whole strategy, and suddenly many of us 
 had far more urgent concerns than just the philosophic ones.
 
By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring 
 in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow 
 retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have 
 such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?
 


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http://linuxcounter.net/main.html

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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread Joe Zeff

On 12/04/2013 10:25 AM, Beartooth wrote:

 By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring
in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow
retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have
such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?


All I can say is that I'm an early Boomer, I'm 64 and retired two years 
ago.  However, I've been playing with Linux since about '98 or so, 
although it wasn't my primary OS until about the time that F9 came out.

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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread davidschaak1
Sorry for top posting. This phone doesn't allow bottom posting.

I'm 57 years old and I have been using linux, more on than off, since 1997, and 
exclusively since 2003 or so.
I find it is more stable than either windows or macos and more usable than dos, 
even at the command prompt.

Hth

Dave

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Mobilicity

-Original Message-
From: Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net
Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02 
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Fedora's audience


Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me 
strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty years 
ago. 

Was (now is) RH/F, and Linux generally, *for* all  sundry? Or 
was/is it essentially a plaything of the Alpha Plus Technoids? Which 
*should* it be?

That distinction applied to shoes and ships and sealing wax, to 
cabbages and kings; i.e., all the way from designing new apps for GUI, 
for CLI only, or for some compromise -- to what sorts of posters and 
questions ought to be welcome or unwelcome on the public lists. 

I remember pointing out repeatedly that when the Baby Boomers 
began to retire, and cease to be bound to their employers' systems, some 
fraction of them would take up Linux -- and it wouldn't need a very big 
fraction of their numbers to make a substantial difference to Linux. 

To the best of my recollection, that issue never resolved into 
any consensus. RedHat changed its whole strategy, and suddenly many of us 
had far more urgent concerns than just the philosophic ones.

 By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring 
in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more fellow 
retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here have 
such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?

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Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.

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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread ergodic
OK I am 82.  My first Fedora Core install was FC-3 and before that Red Hat 4 if 
my memory does not trick me.

Today running in different boxes, F-18, F-19, F-20beta.
Multibooting Debian Wheezy, F-19 and Windows 8.1.

My most sincere thanks to all the developers and contributors.
Well done.

M. A. MacLain
 
- Original Message -
 Sorry for top posting. This phone doesn't allow bottom posting.
 
 I'm 57 years old and I have been using linux, more on than off, since
 1997, and exclusively since 2003 or so.
 I find it is more stable than either windows or macos and more usable
 than dos, even at the command prompt.
 
 Hth
 
 Dave
 
 Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Mobilicity
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net
 Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users
 users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Fedora's audience
 
 
   Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me
 strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty
 years
 ago.
 
   Was (now is) RH/F, and Linux generally, *for* all  sundry? Or
 was/is it essentially a plaything of the Alpha Plus Technoids? Which
 *should* it be?
 
   That distinction applied to shoes and ships and sealing wax, to
 cabbages and kings; i.e., all the way from designing new apps for
 GUI,
 for CLI only, or for some compromise -- to what sorts of posters and
 questions ought to be welcome or unwelcome on the public lists.
 
   I remember pointing out repeatedly that when the Baby Boomers
 began to retire, and cease to be bound to their employers' systems,
 some
 fraction of them would take up Linux -- and it wouldn't need a very
 big
 fraction of their numbers to make a substantial difference to Linux.
 
   To the best of my recollection, that issue never resolved into
 any consensus. RedHat changed its whole strategy, and suddenly many
 of us
 had far more urgent concerns than just the philosophic ones.
 
By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring
 in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more
 fellow
 retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here
 have
 such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?
 
 --
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 Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.
 
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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread Frank

On 04/12/13 03:47 PM, ergodic wrote:

OK I am 82.  My first Fedora Core install was FC-3 and before that Red Hat 4 if
my memory does not trick me.

Today running in different boxes, F-18, F-19, F-20beta.
Multibooting Debian Wheezy, F-19 and Windows 8.1.

My most sincere thanks to all the developers and contributors.
Well done.

M. A. MacLain
  
- Original Message -

Sorry for top posting. This phone doesn't allow bottom posting.

I'm 57 years old and I have been using linux, more on than off, since
1997, and exclusively since 2003 or so.
I find it is more stable than either windows or macos and more usable
than dos, even at the command prompt.

Hth

Dave


Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Fedora's audience


Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me
strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty
years
ago.


//snip//



 By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring
in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more
fellow
retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here
have
such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?

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Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)

I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora 
since 2010. along with Debian Sid and

Windows 7.
Best of the season to all developers-contributors and users.



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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread Antonio Olivares
 Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)
 
 I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora
 since 2010. along with Debian Sid and
 Windows 7.
 Best of the season to all developers-contributors and users.
 
 
 
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Fedora 3 and up to now Fedora 18/19  20 :)
Using Slackware, Fedora and FreeBSD plus livecds Knoppix, SystemRescue, Slax, 
Gparted, etc.

Best Regards,


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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread Steven Rosenberg
I always turn to Fedora when I have new hardware because it's the
easiest way to get the latest kernels, drivers and other bits that
give that hardware the best chance of working. If it matters, I'm 47.


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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Antonio Olivares wingat...@inbox.com wrote:
 Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)

 I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora
 since 2010. along with Debian Sid and
 Windows 7.
 Best of the season to all developers-contributors and users.



 --

 I am 38 yrs young and have been using linux since 2000/2001.  Fedora Core 2, 
 Fedora 3 and up to now Fedora 18/19  20 :)
 Using Slackware, Fedora and FreeBSD plus livecds Knoppix, SystemRescue, Slax, 
 Gparted, etc.

 Best Regards,


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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread eoconno...@gmail.com
Nonsense!so far I'm the youngest...I've been using Linux since Fedora 
9.. it has been a love-hate marriage.but I'm not leaving.EVER! 
This OS has got to be the BEST I've ever used!! To the 
developersmaintainers.marketerstestersand everyone involved 
with this distro?THANK YOU SO MUCH! times Infinity!!!LoL Happy 
Holidays to one and all...!

- Reply message -
From: Frank bea...@videotron.ca
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Fedora's audience
Date: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 4:16 pm


On 04/12/13 03:47 PM, ergodic wrote:
 OK I am 82.  My first Fedora Core install was FC-3 and before that Red Hat 4 
 if
 my memory does not trick me.

 Today running in different boxes, F-18, F-19, F-20beta.
 Multibooting Debian Wheezy, F-19 and Windows 8.1.

 My most sincere thanks to all the developers and contributors.
 Well done.

 M. A. MacLain
   
 - Original Message -
 Sorry for top posting. This phone doesn't allow bottom posting.

 I'm 57 years old and I have been using linux, more on than off, since
 1997, and exclusively since 2003 or so.
 I find it is more stable than either windows or macos and more usable
 than dos, even at the command prompt.

 Hth

 Dave


 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:25:02
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users
 users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Fedora's audience


  Recent exchanges here and in related places have reminded me
 strongly of long discussions held on RedHat lists fifteen or twenty
 years
 ago.

//snip//


   By this time, at an informed guess, the Boomers must be retiring
 in spates and floods. My subjective impression is that I see more
 fellow
 retirees than before, but I can't guess numbers. Does anyone here
 have
 such numbers, or know of a source from whence to get them?

 --
 --

Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)

I am 72 (73 next month ) and have been running Linux since 1997...Fedora 
since 2010. along with Debian Sid and
Windows 7.
Best of the season to all developers-contributors and users.



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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 04 December 2013, Frank sent:
 Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)

Oi!  insert some rude/nice/amusing old person insult  I'm middle-aged.

I've played with computers since before the PC days (sending punch cards
in the post), ignored the C64 but used alternatives in the same era, had
fun with the Amiga while avoiding the hideous DOS/Windows world that I
saw at the school I worked at, got into Linux with Red Hat Linux 6 (the
first one that would actually install on my hardware), then migrated
over to Fedora when Red Hat changed the gameplan (and that did annoy a
lot of people).

I've dabbled with other Linuxes and BSD, enough to think they're much of
a muchness (similar or balanced capabilities, limits, and annoyances),
but different enough that I stuck with what I got used to.

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Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64

All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.



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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread David G . Miller
Tim ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au writes:

 
 Allegedly, on or about 04 December 2013, Frank sent:
  Guess all the 'younger' members are afraid to reply :)
 
 Oi!  insert some rude/nice/amusing old person insult  I'm middle-aged.
 
 I've played with computers since before the PC days (sending punch cards
 in the post), ignored the C64 but used alternatives in the same era, had
 fun with the Amiga while avoiding the hideous DOS/Windows world that I
 saw at the school I worked at, got into Linux with Red Hat Linux 6 (the
 first one that would actually install on my hardware), then migrated
 over to Fedora when Red Hat changed the gameplan (and that did annoy a
 lot of people).
 
 I've dabbled with other Linuxes and BSD, enough to think they're much of
 a muchness (similar or balanced capabilities, limits, and annoyances),
 but different enough that I stuck with what I got used to.
 

How about I'm 57 and started with Red Hat Linux 5.0 in 1998 as my first
Linux install.  Before that I worked on HP-UX, Solaris (and when it was
still SunOS), CDCs, VAXen and IBM big iron.  I still have a punch card
around here some place.

I run CentOS or Scientific Linux on the boxes I need stable and Fedora on
more recent hardware or where I need something closer to bleeding edge. 
Dabbled with Ubuntu, Mint and Gentoo.  Didn't like them.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread Edik Landaveri
 I unite my voice of thanks as well to the 
developersmaintainers.marketerstestersand everyone involved 
with it?THANK YOU SO MUCH!
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Re: Fedora's audience

2013-12-04 Thread Roger

On 12/05/2013 12:24 PM, Edik Landaveri wrote:

  I unite my voice of thanks as well to the 
developersmaintainers.marketerstestersand everyone involved with 
it?THANK YOU SO MUCH!

Me Too! I enjoy Fedora
Roger
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