Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-08 Thread Joe Zeff

On 05/08/2012 09:31 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Fedora is stuck on cows, clearly a Spherical Cow is a subset of Beefy
Miracle,


I wonder how many of the voters GNU that.
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-08 Thread Mike Wright

On 05/08/2012 09:31 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:



Fedora is stuck on cows, clearly a Spherical Cow is a subset of Beefy
Miracle, I suppose that given that it's Linux, it wouldn't be too much
of a jump from cows to something GNU.


LOL.  Good catch ;)
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-08 Thread Bill Davidsen

Antonio Olivares wrote:



I think Chris was talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%
80%93Tarski_paradox as applied to spherical cows.

poc

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Dear sir,

I did not know about this :(  Thank you for explaining/referring me to this.  I 
had heard about Banach spaces in college and just heard of Tarski as a 
mathematician during a history of Mathematics class.  My professor in college 
knew many great mathematicians in person and he was in a picture with them when 
he was young.  Hilbert, Polya, Fejer, ..., were some of the mathematicans in 
the picture.

Spherical Cows, would other animals want to get in Fedora naming schemes for 
next versions of Fedora?

Fedora is stuck on cows, clearly a Spherical Cow is a subset of Beefy Miracle, I 
suppose that given that it's Linux, it wouldn't be too much of a jump from cows 
to something GNU.



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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-08 Thread Bill Davidsen

Joe Zeff wrote:

On 05/02/2012 12:24 PM, Michael Hannon wrote:

I'm late to this (all-important) thread, but I haven't seen anybody mention
the origin of the term "spherical cow". It's a physics joke, or, maybe
better, a joke about physicists.


Yes. And many of us consider it to be trivializing Fedora and making it look
like a joke, or at least childish. This is why I suggested, earlier, that the
code name for F18 be a celebration of life. L'chiam!


Release the beta on Dec 21 and name it "Inca Rebuttal"

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-08 Thread Bill Davidsen

Alan Cox wrote:

On Wed, 02 May 2012 11:20:09 +0300
Mihamina Rakotomandimby  wrote:


On 05/01/2012 09:40 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

Spherical Cow is really an idiom, and arguably not a normal adjective-noun

  pair.

Justify it all you want, it still sounds like "Copying Ubuntu" to me.


Dudes, it's just a name.
Please, focus on technical.



And how pray are you going to tip a spherical cow ?

Ruins all the fun 8)


It's only spherical in three dimensions.

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-04 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/02/2012 06:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 02 May 2012 17:19:31 +0100
> Andrew Haley wrote:
> 
>> If the masses vote for
>> an adjective-noun form, they shall have their way.
> 
> What masses? I heard about a vote to vote on elimination
> of code names and spent three days trying to figure out
> how to sign up to vote against all code names, and could
> never do it.

Maybe it's an initiative test.

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-03 Thread Alan Cox
> Just like the American Political System, we have no voice and no vote :(,

With all due respect you don't pay taxes either 8)

If you contribute work to the project you do get a vote.

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-03 Thread jarmo
Wed, 02 May 2012 20:23:11 -0700
Joe Zeff  kirjoitti:

> On 05/02/2012 07:01 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > Spherical Cows, would other animals want to get in Fedora naming
> > schemes for next versions of Fedora?
> 
> Smiling Kzinti?

Äkäsjärvinen Äimänkäki= :D
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-03 Thread Wilfredo Porta
It's not a bad idea naming a fedora release after Dennis Ritchie as a
tribute. I think is a great idea.
El 02/05/2012 19:12, "Antonio Olivares"  escribió:

>
>
> --- On Wed, 5/2/12, Chris Adams  wrote:
>
> > From: Chris Adams 
> > Subject: Re: Fedora 18 release name
> > To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> > Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 3:13 PM
> > Once upon a time, Alan Cox 
> > said:
> > > You can have fun with physicists 8)
> >
> > As a mathematician, I look at "spherical" and want to ask if
> > Fedora
> > accepts the Axiom of Choice - if so, we can have two
> > identical spherical
> > cows, but who really wants to decompose a cow to get
> > there.  Of course,
> > we'd have to call F19 Banach-Tarski!
> >
> > --
>
> Sorry to disagree!, but if we allow Mathematicians' names here, I have
> some others that are far greater than Banach and Tarski, take
>
> F19 Euclid -  Greatest Geometer of all time
> F19 Archimedes
>
> take Paul Erdös, Euler, Riemann, Gauss, All would be great here :)
>
> Sadly, though Spherical you would be correct sir, I also thought about
> Lobachevsky, but he apparently did work on HyperBolic Geometries :)
>
> But to get back at the naming, How about the tribute to Denis Ritchie, was
> the next version of Fedora going to be named in his honor, since he was one
> of the pioneers of C/C++ and the Unix operating system which is the
> prototype of the system that we are using?
>
> Just like the American Political System, we have no voice and no vote :(,
> the "Ruling Elite" are the ones that chose names and vote, us the users are
> the ones that have to end up with whatever others choose if we are not part
> of the "Ruling Elite" :(  Is there an electoral college in the Fedora
> voting?  Because if there is, the majority does not get to choose the name
> :(
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Antonio
>
>
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wed, 2 May 2012 19:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Antonio Olivares  wrote:

>snip
>  
> Spherical Cows, would other animals want to get in Fedora naming
> schemes for next versions of Fedora?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Antonio 

I'm holding out for Streamlined Ape.

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Joe Zeff

On 05/02/2012 07:01 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:

Spherical Cows, would other animals want to get in Fedora naming schemes for 
next versions of Fedora?


Smiling Kzinti?
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Antonio Olivares
 
> I think Chris was talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%
> 80%93Tarski_paradox as applied to spherical cows.
> 
> poc
> 
> -- 

Dear sir,

I did not know about this :(  Thank you for explaining/referring me to this.  I 
had heard about Banach spaces in college and just heard of Tarski as a 
mathematician during a history of Mathematics class.  My professor in college 
knew many great mathematicians in person and he was in a picture with them when 
he was young.  Hilbert, Polya, Fejer, ..., were some of the mathematicans in 
the picture.  

Spherical Cows, would other animals want to get in Fedora naming schemes for 
next versions of Fedora?

Regards,


Antonio 
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Joe Zeff

On 05/02/2012 06:12 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:

Just like the American Political System, we have no voice and no vote :(, the "Ruling 
Elite" are the ones that chose names and vote, us the users are the ones that have to end up 
with whatever others choose if we are not part of the "Ruling Elite" :(  Is there an 
electoral college in the Fedora voting?  Because if there is, the majority does not get to choose 
the name :(


IMAO, this is all just a tempest in a teapot because people never[1] 
refer to Fedora versions by their code names, only by the release number.


[1]Well, *hardly* ever!
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 18:12 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > As a mathematician, I look at "spherical" and want to ask if
> > Fedora
> > accepts the Axiom of Choice - if so, we can have two
> > identical spherical
> > cows, but who really wants to decompose a cow to get
> > there.  Of course,
> > we'd have to call F19 Banach-Tarski!
> > 
> > -- 
> 
> Sorry to disagree!, but if we allow Mathematicians' names here, I have
> some others that are far greater than Banach and Tarski, take
> 
> F19 Euclid -  Greatest Geometer of all time
> F19 Archimedes

I think Chris was talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%
80%93Tarski_paradox as applied to spherical cows.

poc

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Antonio Olivares


--- On Wed, 5/2/12, Chris Adams  wrote:

> From: Chris Adams 
> Subject: Re: Fedora 18 release name
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 3:13 PM
> Once upon a time, Alan Cox 
> said:
> > You can have fun with physicists 8)
> 
> As a mathematician, I look at "spherical" and want to ask if
> Fedora
> accepts the Axiom of Choice - if so, we can have two
> identical spherical
> cows, but who really wants to decompose a cow to get
> there.  Of course,
> we'd have to call F19 Banach-Tarski!
> 
> -- 

Sorry to disagree!, but if we allow Mathematicians' names here, I have some 
others that are far greater than Banach and Tarski, take

F19 Euclid -  Greatest Geometer of all time
F19 Archimedes

take Paul Erdös, Euler, Riemann, Gauss, All would be great here :)  

Sadly, though Spherical you would be correct sir, I also thought about 
Lobachevsky, but he apparently did work on HyperBolic Geometries :)

But to get back at the naming, How about the tribute to Denis Ritchie, was the 
next version of Fedora going to be named in his honor, since he was one of the 
pioneers of C/C++ and the Unix operating system which is the prototype of the 
system that we are using?

Just like the American Political System, we have no voice and no vote :(, the 
"Ruling Elite" are the ones that chose names and vote, us the users are the 
ones that have to end up with whatever others choose if we are not part of the 
"Ruling Elite" :(  Is there an electoral college in the Fedora voting?  Because 
if there is, the majority does not get to choose the name :(   

Best Regards,


Antonio


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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Steven Stern
On 05/02/2012 06:38 PM, Roger wrote:
> On 03/05/12 03:26, Maurizio Marini wrote:
>> Fedora change release every 6 months, as far as i can see this
>> is  not
>> enough to select the new name, you should change release more
>> slowly...
> What about getting entirely radical and call it  ***  Fedora 18  *** ,
> the next one could be  ***  Fedora 19  *** and so on.
> Yup! it's way out of the box  thinking!
> Roger

Followed by  Fedora 2013  then  Fedora XP *

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Roger

On 03/05/12 03:26, Maurizio Marini wrote:

Fedora change release every 6 months, as far as i can see this is  not
enough to select the new name, you should change release more slowly...
What about getting entirely radical and call it  ***  Fedora 18  *** , 
the next one could be  ***  Fedora 19  *** and so on.

Yup! it's way out of the box  thinking!
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Alan Cox  said:
> You can have fun with physicists 8)

As a mathematician, I look at "spherical" and want to ask if Fedora
accepts the Axiom of Choice - if so, we can have two identical spherical
cows, but who really wants to decompose a cow to get there.  Of course,
we'd have to call F19 Banach-Tarski!

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Rick Stevens

On 05/02/2012 02:26 PM, Alan Cox wrote:

Non-physicists tend to view this approach as a simplistic retreat from
reality.  Hence, the joke: A physics professor says to the class, "consider a
spherical cow of mass M".


To which the smartarse student asks "do we know if the expansion of the
universe is linear in all directions, and will it therefore remain
spherical throughout the experiment"

And then the really evil student asks

"Suppose I throw the cow up in the air and catch it as it comes back
  down, the kinetic energy is converted to potential energy and back,
  yes ?"

"But as the universe is expanding it'll come down further than it went up
and thus energy is not conserved"


You can have fun with physicists 8)


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not why we do it." -- Richard Feynman

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Alan Cox
> Non-physicists tend to view this approach as a simplistic retreat from
> reality.  Hence, the joke: A physics professor says to the class, "consider a
> spherical cow of mass M".

To which the smartarse student asks "do we know if the expansion of the
universe is linear in all directions, and will it therefore remain
spherical throughout the experiment"

And then the really evil student asks 

"Suppose I throw the cow up in the air and catch it as it comes back
 down, the kinetic energy is converted to potential energy and back,
 yes ?"

"But as the universe is expanding it'll come down further than it went up
and thus energy is not conserved"


You can have fun with physicists 8)

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Joe Zeff

On 05/02/2012 12:24 PM, Michael Hannon wrote:

I'm late to this (all-important) thread, but I haven't seen anybody mention
the origin of the term "spherical cow".  It's a physics joke, or, maybe
better, a joke about physicists.


Yes.  And many of us consider it to be trivializing Fedora and making it 
look like a joke, or at least childish.  This is why I suggested, 
earlier, that the code name for F18 be a celebration of life.  L'chiam!

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Michael Hannon
>>> Spherical Cow is really an idiom, and arguably not a normal adjective-noun
>>> pair.
>> Justify it all you want, it still sounds like "Copying Ubuntu" to me.
>
> Dudes, it's just a name.
> Please, focus on technical.

I'm late to this (all-important) thread, but I haven't seen anybody mention
the origin of the term "spherical cow".  It's a physics joke, or, maybe
better, a joke about physicists.  The world is a complicated place, and to
make any progress in analyzing it, physicists (and other scientists) have to
resort to simplifying assumptions.  E.g., the earth and the sun are not really
spheres,  but if you ignore that geometric subtlety, you can do some
reasonable calculations about the gravitational interaction of the sun and the
earth.

Non-physicists tend to view this approach as a simplistic retreat from
reality.  Hence, the joke: A physics professor says to the class, "consider a
spherical cow of mass M".

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Joe Zeff

On 05/02/2012 03:59 AM, Alan Cox wrote:

And how pray are you going to tip a spherical cow ?

Ruins all the fun 8)


That's only a problem if it's also of uniform density.
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Maurizio Marini
Fedora change release every 6 months, as far as i can see this is  not
enough to select the new name, you should change release more slowly...
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 02 May 2012 17:19:31 +0100
Andrew Haley wrote:

> If the masses vote for
> an adjective-noun form, they shall have their way.

What masses? I heard about a vote to vote on elimination
of code names and spent three days trying to figure out
how to sign up to vote against all code names, and could
never do it. The masses don't appear to be eligible to
vote in fedora elections.
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/01/2012 06:20 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
> 
>>   Spherical Cow
> 
> Can we add a rule for F19 that the name shall not be an adjective-noun
> form?

Such as "Beefy Miracle", perhaps?

IMO, such a rule would be deeply undemocratic.  If the masses vote for
an adjective-noun form, they shall have their way.  Power to the
people!

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Frank Murphy

On 02/05/12 11:59, Alan Cox wrote:



And how pray are you going to tip a spherical cow ?

Ruins all the fun 8)


forceps, big ones.

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Alan Cox
On Wed, 02 May 2012 11:20:09 +0300
Mihamina Rakotomandimby  wrote:

> On 05/01/2012 09:40 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
> >> Spherical Cow is really an idiom, and arguably not a normal adjective-noun
> >> >  pair.
> > Justify it all you want, it still sounds like "Copying Ubuntu" to me.
> 
> Dudes, it's just a name.
> Please, focus on technical.
> 

And how pray are you going to tip a spherical cow ?

Ruins all the fun 8)
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-02 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby

On 05/01/2012 09:40 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

Spherical Cow is really an idiom, and arguably not a normal adjective-noun
>  pair.

Justify it all you want, it still sounds like "Copying Ubuntu" to me.


Dudes, it's just a name.
Please, focus on technical.

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-01 Thread Steven Stern
On 05/01/2012 12:20 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
> 
>>   Spherical Cow
> 
> Can we add a rule for F19 that the name shall not be an adjective-noun
> form?  Those sound too much like Ubuntu's naming scheme.

A screen saver is required!

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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-01 Thread DJ Delorie

> Spherical Cow is really an idiom, and arguably not a normal adjective-noun
> pair.

Justify it all you want, it still sounds like "Copying Ubuntu" to me.
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 13:20:14 -0400,
  DJ Delorie  wrote:



  Spherical Cow


Can we add a rule for F19 that the name shall not be an adjective-noun
form?  Those sound too much like Ubuntu's naming scheme.


Spherical Cow is really an idiom, and arguably not a normal adjective-noun
pair.
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-01 Thread DJ Delorie

>   Spherical Cow

Can we add a rule for F19 that the name shall not be an adjective-noun
form?  Those sound too much like Ubuntu's naming scheme.
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Re: Fedora 18 release name

2012-05-01 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2012-04-30 at 06:51 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
> The name for Fedora 18, the follow-up to Beefy Miracle,
> is:  Spherical Cow

LOL!  I can't wait to see the artwork.

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