Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On 11/9/20 4:56 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote: BTW for doing a cksum of your burned optical disk, the device is probably /dev/sr0 (maybe /dev/sr1 if you have a pair of optical drives). Whereever you downloaded the .iso from should provide a "shaXXXsum" value. You can run "sha???sum " and "sha???sum /dev/sr0" and all 3 should match. That generally will not match. When reading /dev/sr0, you also read some of the padding that gets appended to the original .iso file, and that affects the checksum. You would need to run the "isosize" command on either the .iso file or /dev/sr0, and then read exactly that number of 2K sectors: dd if=/dev/sr0 bs=2k count=$(isosize /dev/sr0) | sha256sum You can also just use the actual byte size of the .iso file and calculate the count of 2K sectors from that. -- Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC? -- Hooray. -- Partitioning?
On 11/9/20 12:44 PM, Beartooth wrote:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2020 21:07:29 +, I Beartooth wrote:
When I told it to reboot, it pulled in the drawer and immediately
booted F 32 Live. I told it to install to hard drive -- and got another
surprise. This machine has TWO drives, sda with 112 GB, and sdb with
1.8 TB -- both supposedly almost full. I told it to create space
("delete all"), and it did indeed install F32, over the top of F32 that
was already there.
I wonder if sda is an SSD. Either way, it's a good size for the root
partition and you could use the other one for /home.
Anybody know a very complete tutorial for the terminally
subtechnoid? I want it to give plenty of space to root (I'm going to
tweak like mad.), and loads to the not quite only user (I always give a
user ID to my wife, since our desks aren't both on the same floor; but
she seldom even touches it.), DOES NOT let me pull any dumb tricks, but
DOES touch all bases?
Not really a tutorial, but the install documentation is here:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f33/install-guide/install/Installing_Using_Anaconda/
There was a time, probably over twenty releases ago, when I could
do tailored partitions, including iirc a separate /home; but then
something changed, somehow, and nowadays I always end up having to go
back to the automatic.
You still can do it, although with two disks it will help immensely if
you understand how partitioning works.
Here's the start of the partitioning docs:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f33/install-guide/install/Installing_Using_Anaconda/#sect-installation-gui-storage-partitioning
And this is the section explaining about doing it manually:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f33/install-guide/install/Installing_Using_Anaconda/#sect-installation-gui-manual-partitioning
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Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 at 14:29, Beartooth wrote: > If only I could get into the BIOS, I think I'd be home free, or > almost, provided I could also get it to automount media > > https://support.system76.com/articles/boot-menu/; To enter BIOS for desktops (besides the Meerkat), hold down the DEL key. To show the boot menu, hold the F8 or F12 key. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 10:54:26AM -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 2020-11-09 10:28, Beartooth wrote: > > > 3) did you go into BIOS and set the DVD drive to be > > > first in the boot order? > > > If only I could get into the BIOS, I think I'd be home free, or > > almost, provided I could also get it to automount media > > When I can not figure out what the magic keys for BIOS > are, when bios is booting, I press , F1, F2, F8, > F9, F10, F11, F12 Just for clarification Beartooth, the time to enter the BIOS is IMMEDIATELY after starting a reboot. Probably the first thing you see, just there briefly, will be a screen say to press a certain key to enter the BIOS. It may also be called "setup" or something else. But you have to be quick. Sometimes it goes away so quickly you don't even see it. T list some of the keys the various BIOSs are looking for. Maybe add . When I don't remember which key accesses the BIOS I'll reboot and press one 3-5 times, then another ... until other screens show up. If I get to the grub menu I'll just do the type of reboot and try a couple of more keys. Once you get into the BIOS (probably a large set of options and menus) you look for devices to all boot from and boot device order. I.e. is it allowed to boot from a hard drive (or a particular hd), What about from a USB device, or an optical drive, or the network ... If it is allowed to boot from the optical drive, when does the BIOS boot loader look at the optical drive? Before or after the hard disk? If after, it will not be seen since the BIOS uses the first valid boot software it sees, your fedora hard drive install. BTW for doing a cksum of your burned optical disk, the device is probably /dev/sr0 (maybe /dev/sr1 if you have a pair of optical drives). Whereever you downloaded the .iso from should provide a "shaXXXsum" value. You can run "sha???sum " and "sha???sum /dev/sr0" and all 3 should match. This would also eliminate concerns for the optical drive and take the diagnosis back to the BIOS. Jon -- Jon H. LaBadie jo...@jgcomp.com ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC? -- Hooray. -- Partitioning?
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2020 21:07:29 +, I Beartooth wrote:
[...]
> When I told it to reboot, it pulled in the drawer and immediately
> booted F 32 Live. I told it to install to hard drive -- and got another
> surprise. This machine has TWO drives, sda with 112 GB, and sdb with
> 1.8 TB -- both supposedly almost full. I told it to create space
> ("delete all"), and it did indeed install F32, over the top of F32 that
> was already there.
>
> But when I then tried the same open-drawer trick with the F33,
> it did nothing for a long time, then booted F32. :-{ I broke the DVD
> with my bare hands; it shattered very satisfactorily. I'll go download
> and burn another. Stay tuned.
The new DVD did boot F33, and did let me start to install to hard
drive. I'm in Anaconda, ready to choose partitioning.
Anybody know a very complete tutorial for the terminally
subtechnoid? I want it to give plenty of space to root (I'm going to
tweak like mad.), and loads to the not quite only user (I always give a
user ID to my wife, since our desks aren't both on the same floor; but
she seldom even touches it.), DOES NOT let me pull any dumb tricks, but
DOES touch all bases?
There was a time, probably over twenty releases ago, when I could
do tailored partitions, including iirc a separate /home; but then
something changed, somehow, and nowadays I always end up having to go
back to the automatic.
Thanks for all the help so far!
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Re: Have I bricked a PC? -- Surprise!
On Sun, 08 Nov 2020 21:07:29 +, I Beartooth wrote:
> I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine.
> I can't get it to boot from the DVD.
[]
> This is the machine, discussed here in a thread beginning October
> 30, about a transaction test error. The conclusion was that I had
> allocated space badly in F 32, and might as well install F 33 from
> scratch. That's what I'm trying to do.
>
> I've been running Fedora since it came out; IF I can get this
> thing to boot from the live DVD, I ought to be able to install it to the
> hard drive. But the boot options are innumerable -- most of them
> apparently not connected with the BIOS, if there still is one.
I found my DVD for F32 Live. I put that into the drawer, leaving
the drawer open. I thought maybe that was magic.
When I told it to reboot, it pulled in the drawer and immediately
booted F 32 Live. I told it to install to hard drive -- and got another
surprise. This machine has TWO drives, sda with 112 GB, and sdb with 1.8
TB -- both supposedly almost full. I told it to create space ("delete
all"), and it did indeed install F32, over the top of F32 that was
already there.
But when I then tried the same open-drawer trick with the F 33,
it did nothing for a long time, then booted F 32. :-{ I broke the DVD
with my bare hands; it shattered very satisfactorily. I'll go download
and burn another. Stay tuned.
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Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On 2020-11-09 09:25, Beartooth wrote: On Sun, 08 Nov 2020 17:57:41 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-11-08 13:07, Beartooth wrote: I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. I can't get it to boot from the DVD. How to test for a 64 bit CPU: $ lscpu | grep -i bit CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Address sizes: 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual Looks like I get what you get: lscpu | grep -i bit CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Address sizes: 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual -- but is that good or bad? Fwiw, I tried over and over to get it to boot from a medium in the tray -- which I neither downloaded nor burned from this machine. But I think it's not the image: no matter what I find to do in setup (in either setup, actually -- there seem to be two), the machine shows no sign of even knowing the medium is there. It just goes right into booting F 32. It's possible that I'm failing to recognize the commands, in either setup display, that will tell the machine to boot from a medium in its drawer. I tried opening and re-closing the drawer. The machine hadn't mounted the medium, and still didn't. Neither Disk Mounter nor gnome-disk sees anything in the drawer. Usermount launched by my user denies there is anything I'm allowed to mount nor unmount, and admonishes me to contact my administrator. As root, it pops up a box offering to let me unmount /boot; /boot is full of F 32 files, but shows nothing with 33 in its name. I have not yet tried burning the .iso to a thumb drive. If the lscpu result above doesn't mean doom, somebody please remind me how to do it, or where to re-read how! If the drive is the same drive you cut the DVD with, then the drive is not the issue. But what you are describing is BIOS not booting off the DVD drive first. See my previous post about forcing yourself into BIOS. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On 2020-11-09 10:28, Beartooth wrote: 6) what was the error message? Error message? Error message?? Whence? Do you boot back into the original OS? What is on the screen? Does the initial selection to test the disk or run the disk ever pop up? Is it a black screen with a flashing cursor? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On 2020-11-09 10:28, Beartooth wrote: 3) did you go into BIOS and set the DVD drive to be first in the boot order? If only I could get into the BIOS, I think I'd be home free, or almost, provided I could also get it to automount media When I can not figure out what the magic keys for BIOS are, when bios is booting, I press , F1, F2, F8, F9, F10, F11, F12 And you do miss a lot. I find the process a pain in the neck. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On Sun, 08 Nov 2020 16:24:25 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 2020-11-08 13:07, I Beartooth wrote: >> >> I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. >> I can't get it to boot from the DVD. [...] >> This is the machine, discussed here in a thread beginning October >> 30, about a transaction test error. The conclusion was that I had >> allocated space badly in F 32, and might as well install F 33 from >> scratch. That's what I'm trying to do. >> Is there hope? What info do I need to post?? > KIB: did you set it to verify? I used Brasero; iirc, I did tell it to verify. > 3) did you go into BIOS and set the DVD drive to be > first in the boot order? If only I could get into the BIOS, I think I'd be home free, or almost, provided I could also get it to automount media > 4) did you check the check sum of your iso? Ouch! I think not. > 5) can you read the DVD when in FC32? Dunno: I can't get it mounted. (I have root access, but don't know what to call the DVD.) > 6) what was the error message? Error message? Error message?? Whence? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On Mon, 09 Nov 2020 11:42:01 -0500, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: >> On 2020-11-08 13:07, I Beartooth wrote: >>> >>> I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish >>> machine. I can't get it to boot from the DVD. >>> >>> It was originally a System 76, which came with Ubuntu. I had >>> to get help to switch it to Fedora, but it's been OK till now. >>> (I've been doing system upgrades with dnf; but that doesn't work >>> any more.) > > I have been using Fedora on System 76 machines for some time now as > well. Which one is this? Desktop or laptop? On a laptop, the model > number is on a tag on the bottom of the machine. I've not had a desktop, > but something similar should be true. This is a desktop. We're thinking it's maybe five to seven years old. I don't see a model designation. > I'd be shocked if it were a 32-bit machine, so I doubt that's the issue. > > >>> The first display on boot says American Megatrends, copyright >>> 2015. > It's the BIOS that controls that first screen, so it must still be > functioning, to some extent. What of btrfs, whatever it is? New to me, but being discussed on this list now. > It's of course possible that the BIOS has > gone bad, but that seems unlikely. Even if so, it ought to be possible > to reinstall it. The System 76 folks could probably help with that, but > we needn't go there yet. > If you can take a photo of the boot options (e.g., with a phone), I > might be able to help figure out which one you want. Send it privately > if need be. I'll try; my little old clamshell does have a camera, but I have yet to get any pix off it. Are you anywhere near Blacksburg and Virginia Tech, by any chance? First, though, I'll send this off before I reboot. > I think your worst-case scenario, really, would be to install a new hard > drive. Hmmm Tempting. I have no hardware skills, and precious little knowledge; but there is a good shop here that I like. I also have a couple of external USB drives. Would they help?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
Also the last 32 bit release of Fedora seems to be 30. On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 1:08 PM Terry Polzin wrote: > Perhaps the optical drive has failed or lost its connection to the scsi > bus. > > ls -l sr? > or > dmesg | less should tell you if you have a dev/sr0 > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 12:25 PM Beartooth wrote: > >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2020 17:57:41 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: >> >> > On 2020-11-08 13:07, Beartooth wrote: >> >> >> >> I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. >> >> I can't get it to boot from the DVD. >> >> > How to test for a 64 bit CPU: >> > >> > $ lscpu | grep -i bit CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit >> > Address sizes: 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual >> >> Looks like I get what you get: >> >> lscpu | grep -i bit >> CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit >> Address sizes: 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual >> >> -- but is that good or bad? >> >> Fwiw, I tried over and over to get it to boot from a medium in >> the >> tray -- which I neither downloaded nor burned from this machine. But I >> think it's not the image: no matter what I find to do in setup (in either >> setup, actually -- there seem to be two), the machine shows no sign of >> even knowing the medium is there. It just goes right into booting F 32. >> >> It's possible that I'm failing to recognize the commands, in >> either setup display, that will tell the machine to boot from a medium in >> its drawer. >> >> I tried opening and re-closing the drawer. The machine hadn't >> mounted the medium, and still didn't. Neither Disk Mounter nor gnome-disk >> sees anything in the drawer. Usermount launched by my user denies there >> is anything I'm allowed to mount nor unmount, and admonishes me to >> contact my administrator. As root, it pops up a box offering to let me >> unmount /boot; /boot is full of F 32 files, but shows nothing with 33 in >> its name. >> >> I have not yet tried burning the .iso to a thumb drive. If the >> lscpu result above doesn't mean doom, somebody please remind me how to do >> it, or where to re-read how! >> -- >> Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User >> Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is. >> ___ >> users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
Perhaps the optical drive has failed or lost its connection to the scsi bus. ls -l sr? or dmesg | less should tell you if you have a dev/sr0 On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 12:25 PM Beartooth wrote: > On Sun, 08 Nov 2020 17:57:41 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > On 2020-11-08 13:07, Beartooth wrote: > >> > >> I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. > >> I can't get it to boot from the DVD. > > > How to test for a 64 bit CPU: > > > > $ lscpu | grep -i bit CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit > > Address sizes: 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual > > Looks like I get what you get: > > lscpu | grep -i bit > CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit > Address sizes: 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual > > -- but is that good or bad? > > Fwiw, I tried over and over to get it to boot from a medium in the > tray -- which I neither downloaded nor burned from this machine. But I > think it's not the image: no matter what I find to do in setup (in either > setup, actually -- there seem to be two), the machine shows no sign of > even knowing the medium is there. It just goes right into booting F 32. > > It's possible that I'm failing to recognize the commands, in > either setup display, that will tell the machine to boot from a medium in > its drawer. > > I tried opening and re-closing the drawer. The machine hadn't > mounted the medium, and still didn't. Neither Disk Mounter nor gnome-disk > sees anything in the drawer. Usermount launched by my user denies there > is anything I'm allowed to mount nor unmount, and admonishes me to > contact my administrator. As root, it pops up a box offering to let me > unmount /boot; /boot is full of F 32 files, but shows nothing with 33 in > its name. > > I have not yet tried burning the .iso to a thumb drive. If the > lscpu result above doesn't mean doom, somebody please remind me how to do > it, or where to re-read how! > -- > Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User > Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is. > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On Sun, 08 Nov 2020 17:57:41 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 2020-11-08 13:07, Beartooth wrote: >> >> I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. >> I can't get it to boot from the DVD. > How to test for a 64 bit CPU: > > $ lscpu | grep -i bit CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit > Address sizes: 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual Looks like I get what you get: lscpu | grep -i bit CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Address sizes: 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual -- but is that good or bad? Fwiw, I tried over and over to get it to boot from a medium in the tray -- which I neither downloaded nor burned from this machine. But I think it's not the image: no matter what I find to do in setup (in either setup, actually -- there seem to be two), the machine shows no sign of even knowing the medium is there. It just goes right into booting F 32. It's possible that I'm failing to recognize the commands, in either setup display, that will tell the machine to boot from a medium in its drawer. I tried opening and re-closing the drawer. The machine hadn't mounted the medium, and still didn't. Neither Disk Mounter nor gnome-disk sees anything in the drawer. Usermount launched by my user denies there is anything I'm allowed to mount nor unmount, and admonishes me to contact my administrator. As root, it pops up a box offering to let me unmount /boot; /boot is full of F 32 files, but shows nothing with 33 in its name. I have not yet tried burning the .iso to a thumb drive. If the lscpu result above doesn't mean doom, somebody please remind me how to do it, or where to re-read how! -- Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On 11/8/20 8:57 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2020-11-08 13:07, Beartooth wrote: I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. I can't get it to boot from the DVD. It was originally a System 76, which came with Ubuntu. I had to get help to switch it to Fedora, but it's been OK till now. (I've been doing system upgrades with dnf; but that doesn't work any more. I have been using Fedora on System 76 machines for some time now as well. Which one is this? Desktop or laptop? On a laptop, the model number is on a tag on the bottom of the machine. I've not had a desktop, but something similar should be true. I'd be shocked if it were a 32-bit machine, so I doubt that's the issue. The first display on boot says American Megatrends, copyright 2015. I've been running Fedora since it came out; if I can get this thing to boot from the live DVD, I ought to be able to install it to the hard drive. But the boot options are innumerable -- most of them apparently not connected with the BIOS, if there still is one. It's the BIOS that controls that first screen, so it must still be functioning, to some extent. It's of course possible that the BIOS has gone bad, but that seems unlikely. Even if so, it ought to be possible to reinstall it. The System 76 folks could probably help with that, but we needn't go there yet. If you can take a photo of the boot options (e.g., with a phone), I might be able to help figure out which one you want. Send it privately if need be. I think your worst-case scenario, really, would be to install a new hard drive. Riki ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On 2020-11-08 13:07, Beartooth wrote: I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. I can't get it to boot from the DVD. It was originally a System 76, which came with Ubuntu. I had to get help to switch it to Fedora, but it's been OK till now. (I've been doing system upgrades with dnf; but that doesn't work any more. The first display on boot says American Megatrends, copyright 2015. This is the machine, discussed here in a thread beginning October 30, about a transaction test error. The conclusion was that I had allocated space badly in F 32, and might as well install F 33 from scratch. That's what I'm trying to do. I've been running Fedora since it came out; if I can get this thing to boot from the live DVD, I ought to be able to install it to the hard drive. But the boot options are innumerable -- most of them apparently not connected with the BIOS, if there still is one. Is there hope? What info do I need to post?? How to est for a 64 bit CPU: $ lscpu | grep -i bit CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Address sizes: 39 bits physical, 48 bits virtual ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On 2020-11-08 13:55, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: Is it a 32bit CPU?? Fedora no longer works on 32bit CPUs. If I am not mistaken, if you try to install 64 bit Fedora on a 32 bit system, you get the finger shaken at you. I will be glad when I don't have to deal with 32 bit system anymore. Next would be BIOS boot system. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On 2020-11-08 13:07, Beartooth wrote: I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. I can't get it to boot from the DVD. It was originally a System 76, which came with Ubuntu. I had to get help to switch it to Fedora, but it's been OK till now. (I've been doing system upgrades with dnf; but that doesn't work any more. The first display on boot says American Megatrends, copyright 2015. This is the machine, discussed here in a thread beginning October 30, about a transaction test error. The conclusion was that I had allocated space badly in F 32, and might as well install F 33 from scratch. That's what I'm trying to do. I've been running Fedora since it came out; if I can get this thing to boot from the live DVD, I ought to be able to install it to the hard drive. But the boot options are innumerable -- most of them apparently not connected with the BIOS, if there still is one. Is there hope? What info do I need to post?? 1) is it a 32 bit system as Michael asked? 2) did you cut the DVD on the same drives as you are trying to boot off? K3B: did you set it to verify? 3) did you go into BIOS and set the DVD drive to be first in the boot order? 4) did you check the check sum of your iso? 5) can you read the DVD when in FC32? 6) what was the error message? 5) have you tried cutting the iso to a flash drive and booting off the flash drive? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
Is it a 32bit CPU?? Fedora no longer works on 32bit CPUs. Had a system that had been running the 32bit version on a machine that had a 64 bit CPU, had to do a clean install, but it the CPU is only 32bit, you would be stuck with running the last versin that supported 32bit. Have you tried if it will boot from a USB Flash of Fedora?? On 8 Nov 2020 at 13:35, Jack Craig wrote: From: Jack Craig Date sent: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 13:35:43 -0800 Subject:Re: Have I bricked a PC? To: Community support for Fedora users Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 1:07 PM Beartooth wrote: > > I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. > I can't get it to boot from the DVD. > > It was originally a System 76, which came with Ubuntu. I had to > get help to switch it to Fedora, but it's been OK till now. (I've been > doing system upgrades with dnf; but that doesn't work any more. > > The first display on boot says American Megatrends, copyright > 2015. > > This is the machine, discussed here in a thread beginning October > 30, about a transaction test error. The conclusion was that I had > allocated space badly in F 32, and might as well install F 33 from > scratch. That's what I'm trying to do. > > I've been running Fedora since it came out; if I can get this > thing to boot from the live DVD, I ought to be able to install it to the > hard drive. But the boot options are innumerable -- most of them > apparently not connected with the BIOS, if there still is one. > > Is there hope? What info do I need to post?? > > my suggestion is enter bios on boot and look for a boot order, see if dvd is > before HD. > > make it boot first dvd, second hard disk. save, exit and try boot from dvd > again.. > > good luck, ... > > -- > Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless > Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is. > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Have I bricked a PC?
On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 1:07 PM Beartooth wrote: > > I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. > I can't get it to boot from the DVD. > > It was originally a System 76, which came with Ubuntu. I had to > get help to switch it to Fedora, but it's been OK till now. (I've been > doing system upgrades with dnf; but that doesn't work any more. > > The first display on boot says American Megatrends, copyright > 2015. > > This is the machine, discussed here in a thread beginning October > 30, about a transaction test error. The conclusion was that I had > allocated space badly in F 32, and might as well install F 33 from > scratch. That's what I'm trying to do. > > I've been running Fedora since it came out; if I can get this > thing to boot from the live DVD, I ought to be able to install it to the > hard drive. But the boot options are innumerable -- most of them > apparently not connected with the BIOS, if there still is one. > > Is there hope? What info do I need to post?? > my suggestion is enter bios on boot and look for a boot order, see if dvd is before HD. make it boot first dvd, second hard disk. save, exit and try boot from dvd again.. good luck, ... > > -- > Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless > Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is. > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Have I bricked a PC?
I have a DVD with F 33 Live, in the drawer of an oldish machine. I can't get it to boot from the DVD. It was originally a System 76, which came with Ubuntu. I had to get help to switch it to Fedora, but it's been OK till now. (I've been doing system upgrades with dnf; but that doesn't work any more. The first display on boot says American Megatrends, copyright 2015. This is the machine, discussed here in a thread beginning October 30, about a transaction test error. The conclusion was that I had allocated space badly in F 32, and might as well install F 33 from scratch. That's what I'm trying to do. I've been running Fedora since it came out; if I can get this thing to boot from the live DVD, I ought to be able to install it to the hard drive. But the boot options are innumerable -- most of them apparently not connected with the BIOS, if there still is one. Is there hope? What info do I need to post?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
