Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 15:59 +0200, Karl-Olov Serrander wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Natxo Asenjo wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:39 AM, David Bartmess dingod...@edingo.net wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? Thanks! getent group groupname should do the trick. But that doeas not show users which has groupname as the primary group. Regards -- Karl-Olov Serrander m11172.abc.se But that was not requested by the OP. -- === A well adjusted person is one who makes the same mistake twice without getting nervous. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net I was trying to make the point that if you have groupname as primary group you are a member of group groupname, even if you're not listed when doing getent group groupname. Regards -- Karl-Olov Serrander m11172.abc.se -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 16:39 -0600, David Bartmess wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? Thanks! Seems to me that their userid would have to appear in the groups entry in the /etc/group file. -- === There is no time like the present for postponing what you ought to be doing. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:39 AM, David Bartmess dingod...@edingo.net wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? Thanks! getent group groupname should do the trick. -- natxo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Natxo Asenjo wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:39 AM, David Bartmess dingod...@edingo.net wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? Thanks! getent group groupname should do the trick. But that doeas not show users which has groupname as the primary group. Regards -- Karl-Olov Serrander m11172.abc.se -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
Once upon a time, Karl-Olov Serrander m11...@abc.se said: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Natxo Asenjo wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:39 AM, David Bartmess dingod...@edingo.net wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? Thanks! getent group groupname should do the trick. But that doeas not show users which has groupname as the primary group. No, for that you have to list all users and look at the primary group field. getent passwd | grep ^[^:]*:[^:]*:[^:]*:$(getent group groupname | cut -d: -f3): Primary/aux groups in Unix are set up in a less-than-efficient way for searching. -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com wrote: In addition, you may wish to reference RFC 2822 which obsoletes RFC 822 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html -- Yes, that is clear. Okay, humble pie, yum yum, urp. I still think http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Starting_a_New_Subject could be improved, in that few who actually understand it would consciously violate it, but few who lack understanding would be enlightened by reading it. When you send in a new topic, do not start by replying to an existing message, but rather, start a new message to users@lists.fedoraproject.org. This keeps messages organized by thread, for people who like to use threads (on high-volume mailing lists like this one, threads can be a great convenience). maybe should be... When you send in a new topic, do not start by replying to an existing message, but rather, start a new message to 'users@lists.fedoraproject.org'. The 'reply' feature adds headers to an email that will identify it as being part of the same thread as the email to which it is replying, and that will cause confusion. A new topic should have not only a new subject but begin a new thread. Threads help many readers deal with the high volume of email flowing through lists like this one. Your cooperation allows your fellow readers to appreciate your contribution without technical hiccups. It's a bit long-winded. Hmmm. Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 15:59 +0200, Karl-Olov Serrander wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Natxo Asenjo wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:39 AM, David Bartmess dingod...@edingo.net wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? Thanks! getent group groupname should do the trick. But that doeas not show users which has groupname as the primary group. Regards -- Karl-Olov Serrander m11172.abc.se But that was not requested by the OP. -- === A well adjusted person is one who makes the same mistake twice without getting nervous. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
How to list what users are in a group
This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? Thanks! -- Dingo Dave Bartmess Broomfield, CO. USA http://edingo.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:39 PM, David Bartmess dingod...@edingo.netwrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? grep group name /etc/group e.g. grep wheel /etc/group -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On 04/21/2010 06:39 AM, David Bartmess wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? By not hijacking treads. Don't take a message and change the subject. This is hijacking and breaks threads. Start a new message. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 04/21/2010 06:39 AM, David Bartmess wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? By not hijacking treads. Don't take a message and change the subject. This is hijacking and breaks threads. Start a new message. Did I miss something? In what way does this qualify as hijacking? Off topic, maybe, ought to RTFM definitely, but hijack? Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On 04/21/2010 06:58 AM, David Burns wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com mailto:ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 04/21/2010 06:39 AM, David Bartmess wrote: This is a basic linux question, but how do I find out what users are included in a given group? By not hijacking treads. Don't take a message and change the subject. This is hijacking and breaks threads. Start a new message. Did I miss something? In what way does this qualify as hijacking? Off topic, maybe, ought to RTFM definitely, but hijack? Dave Yes, you missed something David Bartmess took a message jdow. The subject of that message was Re Clamv. He changed the subject to what is above and sent it The message contains References: in the header which is used by real email clients (maybe not gmail) to sort messages in threads. When you do what is described above, threading becomes broken for many people. Please also see... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Starting_a_New_Subject -- Democracy is the name we give the people whenever we need them. -- Arman de Caillavet, 1913 Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: The message contains References: in the header which is used by real email clients (maybe not gmail) to sort messages in threads. Wow, if real clients thread together stuff with different subjects, I prefer the fakes. Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
David Burns wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com mailto:ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: The message contains References: in the header which is used by real email clients (maybe not gmail) to sort messages in threads. Wow, if real clients thread together stuff with different subjects, I prefer the fakes. Dave Threading is normally down by the message headers and not by the subject. Before saying stuff like wow and seeming so shocked and amazed, perhaps you should RTFM ? In-Reply-To: 4bce3381.6090...@greshko.com References: 421043.49468...@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com 4bcb5d62.7050...@gmail.com 1271698173.5279.7.ca...@suspishus.lan.cameratim.com ed7ac2d81ab74ad887c31b0613b6d...@wizardess.wiz 1271768442.27945.17.ca...@suspishus.lan.cameratim.com 9c0a1e3889e549e2b8ce435e56d71...@wizardess.wiz 4bce2d08.8060...@edingo.net 4bce3088.7000...@greshko.com k2y943be0b11004201558jffb1d4e4qc07b652ef62d5...@mail.gmail.com 4bce3381.6090...@greshko.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On 04/21/2010 07:22 AM, David Burns wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com mailto:ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: The message contains References: in the header which is used by real email clients (maybe not gmail) to sort messages in threads. Wow, if real clients thread together stuff with different subjects, I prefer the fakes. Dave Yes, along with what Larry said... Sometimes it is OK to change the subject and keep it part of the same thread. For example, when the discussion goes off in a meaningful, yet slightly different direction. The subject may be Virus in Linux and it makes perfect sense to keep the thread but change the subject to Malware in Linux [was Virus in Linux]. I suspect gmail is unable to maintain the linkage. In any event, even if you don't understand the concept...one should follow the list guidelines and I've previously mentioned... Please read this, maybe again http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Starting_a_New_Subject -- I AM DEATH, NOT TAXES. I TURN UP ONLY ONCE. (Feet of Clay) Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com wrote: Before saying stuff like wow and seeming so shocked and amazed, perhaps you should RTFM ? Sarcasm requires no manual. Dave -- You can quote me on that. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 13:22 -1000, David Burns wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: The message contains References: in the header which is used by real email clients (maybe not gmail) to sort messages in threads. Wow, if real clients thread together stuff with different subjects, I prefer the fakes. Perhaps you should read up on Internet standards. The RFC-approved way of threading messages is via header fields such as In-Reply-To. Relying on Subject for threading is fundamentally broken. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.comwrote: Relying on Subject for threading is fundamentally broken. This statement seems to imply that I said or think that same subject = same thread, or that this ought to be sufficient. Nope. But I was surprised to learn that !(different subject = different thread). I guess when it comes to email etiquette, nothing should surprise me. Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com wrote: Threading is normally down by the message headers and not by the subject. Before saying stuff like wow and seeming so shocked and amazed, perhaps you should RTFM ? So I did. I was again surprised to find that RFC822 never mentions threads. References are references, In-Reply-To is In-Reply-To and while a client is free to make additional assumptions, the assumptions don't become part of the standard, no matter how popular they become. Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong standard? I was expecting that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Starting_a_New_Subject would make it clear that, whatever the standard may allow, this list assumes clients treat in-reply-to as equivalent to threads. Close, but no superglue. Looks to me - if you're one of the persons offended by hijacking, you know just what that page is talking about. However, if you're one of the unwashed (don't use 'real' client), trying to understand what the problem is, ... not much help. Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On 04/21/2010 09:34 AM, David Burns wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com wrote: Threading is normally down by the message headers and not by the subject. Before saying stuff like wow and seeming so shocked and amazed, perhaps you should RTFM ? So I did. I was again surprised to find that RFC822 never mentions threads. References are references, In-Reply-To is In-Reply-To and while a client is free to make additional assumptions, the assumptions don't become part of the standard, no matter how popular they become. Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong standard? I was expecting that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Starting_a_New_Subject would make it clear that, whatever the standard may allow, this list assumes clients treat in-reply-to as equivalent to threads. Close, but no superglue. Looks to me - if you're one of the persons offended by hijacking, you know just what that page is talking about. However, if you're one of the unwashed (don't use 'real' client), trying to understand what the problem is, ... not much help. Dave http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4685.txt -- Dibble's First Law of Sociology: Some do, some don't. Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
Ed Greshko wrote: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4685.txt In addition, you may wish to reference RFC 2822 which obsoletes RFC 822 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to list what users are in a group
On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 15:06 -1000, David Burns wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: Relying on Subject for threading is fundamentally broken. This statement seems to imply that I said or think that same subject = same thread, or that this ought to be sufficient. Nope. But I was surprised to learn that !(different subject = different thread). I guess when it comes to email etiquette, nothing should surprise me. Two things: 1) The term thread is used for two different concepts: a) a conversation with various participants around a given topic, and b) a partially-ordered set of email messages linked by certain headers. It's considered convenient to make these two things isomorphic. 2) Regarding etiquette, the community decides. The community regards hijacking, defined as changing the thread in sense (a) without changing it in sense (b), as something to be avoided. Oddly enough the reverse case isn't usually cause for comment. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
