Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Wed, 2022-12-21 at 11:46 -0600, Roger Heflin wrote: > Works at best means we tested it once and it worked for our simple > easy short term test (I have worked with an enterprise vendor that > certified hw/software combinations that would reliably crash more > often more than 1x per week under load, so their certification is not > worth a lot. And, unfortunately, people are used to that. People are used to certain OSs crashing, nepeatedly re-installing them, and seeing nothing wrong with that. It's what they've come to expect. Hardware's no different. Just the other day a friend was having a conversation about he shouldn't use the lowest speed on his car airconditioning because something might burn out (according to another person's advice). My counter was that all the features of the product presented to you should work properly. You shouldn't have to avoid doing something that you actually want to do for dumb reasons. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:47 PM Roger Heflin wrote: > >> Just for Information. I did get a response from WD that >> was a little concerning.. Some messages had mentioned >> perhaps hooking the disk to a windows machine and >> doing the updates, but the WD respone mentioned that >> they could not guaranty that the disk would still work >> with the windows updated firmware?? >> >> So, sounds like they really don't know what is going on >> with there own firmware upgrades? >> >> So, will definitely ignore the upgrades. Have some WD >> SSD drives that are the same, but have different >> firmware, but since they put no info on what is different >> in each firmware, better safe to leave what works alone. >> >> Thanks to all that have replied. Think WD would be more >> concerned with supporting disk for all OS's. Rather than >> only focus on windows only support. >> > No, that is legalize code for we do not guarantee this device will work with > any software at all. > > And you may brick the device and we won't warranty that unless the device is > still in warranty. > > I have found even with paid support, the answer support gives you (that it > will or won't work) is very often worthless. > > Works at best means we tested it once and it worked for our simple easy short > term test (I have worked with an enterprise vendor that certified hw/software > combinations that would reliably crash more often more than 1x per week under > load, so their certification is not worth a lot. A company can tell you whatever they want to dissuade you from engaging in support of filing a legal action. Telling you the firmware update may or may not work, and disclaiming a warranty on it, does not mean a thing. The firmware update has specific warranties attached to it by law. It is like driving behind a construction vehicle with a sign "Not responsible for debris falling off the vehicle." The law says they are responsible for their load. It does not matter what signs are posted on the truck, or what the sign says. (What companies are relying on is ignorance of the law. Don't believe anything a company or its lawyers tell you. A company is going to give you an answer that benefits the company, not you. If there's a controversy, take it to court and let someone else (judge or jury) decide the facts). Jeff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:06 PM Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: > [...] > Just for Information. I did get a response from WD that > was a little concerning.. Some messages had mentioned > perhaps hooking the disk to a windows machine and > doing the updates, but the WD respone mentioned that > they could not guaranty that the disk would still work > with the windows updated firmware?? > > So, sounds like they really don't know what is going on > with there own firmware upgrades? > > So, will definitely ignore the upgrades. Have some WD > SSD drives that are the same, but have different > firmware, but since they put no info on what is different > in each firmware, better safe to leave what works alone. I'm not sure how much of a Linux activist you are. But if you are into activism, please file a complaint with your state's Attorney General's office, and the Federal Trade Commission. The government needs the datapoints. If they don't have the datapoints, then there's nothing wrong in their eyes. If the drive or firmware is defective then they have an obligation to fix it. The drive and the firmware update must function as expected. There's an implicit warranty in play for the drive that cannot be disclaimed. The firmware update also has an implicit warranty that cannot be disclaimed. Telling you something may work or may fail does not meet the standards of law. Also see the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. (Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and various state laws were enacted because companies would try to disclaim everything. Imagine if you went to a restaurant, ate the food and got sick. Disclaiming the warranty on the food as "not for human consumption" does not fly. The food carries an implicit warranty for its intended purpose - namely consumption. If you did get sick and sued the restaurant for a hospital bill, one of the claims you would raise is the one for implicit warranty). Jeff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
> > Just for Information. I did get a response from WD that > was a little concerning.. Some messages had mentioned > perhaps hooking the disk to a windows machine and > doing the updates, but the WD respone mentioned that > they could not guaranty that the disk would still work > with the windows updated firmware?? > > So, sounds like they really don't know what is going on > with there own firmware upgrades? > > So, will definitely ignore the upgrades. Have some WD > SSD drives that are the same, but have different > firmware, but since they put no info on what is different > in each firmware, better safe to leave what works alone. > > Thanks to all that have replied. Think WD would be more > concerned with supporting disk for all OS's. Rather than > only focus on windows only support. > > Have a great day. > > > > No, that is legalize code for we do not guarantee this device will work with any software at all. And you may brick the device and we won't warranty that unless the device is still in warranty. I have found even with paid support, the answer support gives you (that it will or won't work) is very often worthless. Works at best means we tested it once and it worked for our simple easy short term test (I have worked with an enterprise vendor that certified hw/software combinations that would reliably crash more often more than 1x per week under load, so their certification is not worth a lot. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On 21 Dec 2022 at 14:36, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Subject: Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives? From: Patrick O'Callaghan To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2022 14:36:22 + Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users > On Tue, 2022-12-20 at 10:51 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > > Michael D. Setzer II: > > > Don't know if makes any real difference or what > > > improvements firmware updates would do. > > > > Generally speaking, when things work, don't fiddle with them. > > Firmware > > is much more tricky than configuration files. It's harder to undo, > > if > > you can at all, if it goes haywire. > > > > Unless you know you have a bug, or that there is an update with > > details > > about what it will update (and such things actually appear to be an > > improvement), there's little point in changing things. > > > > -- > > > > uname -rsvp > > Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 > > x86_64 > > > > Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically > > deleted. > > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing > > list. > > Agreed. I've had Samsung SSDs for several years and simply ignore these > updates, so far with no issues whatever. > Just for Information. I did get a response from WD that was a little concerning.. Some messages had mentioned perhaps hooking the disk to a windows machine and doing the updates, but the WD respone mentioned that they could not guaranty that the disk would still work with the windows updated firmware?? So, sounds like they really don't know what is going on with there own firmware upgrades? So, will definitely ignore the upgrades. Have some WD SSD drives that are the same, but have different firmware, but since they put no info on what is different in each firmware, better safe to leave what works alone. Thanks to all that have replied. Think WD would be more concerned with supporting disk for all OS's. Rather than only focus on windows only support. Have a great day. > poc > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Tue, 2022-12-20 at 10:51 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > Michael D. Setzer II: > > Don't know if makes any real difference or what > > improvements firmware updates would do. > > Generally speaking, when things work, don't fiddle with them. > Firmware > is much more tricky than configuration files. It's harder to undo, > if > you can at all, if it goes haywire. > > Unless you know you have a bug, or that there is an update with > details > about what it will update (and such things actually appear to be an > improvement), there's little point in changing things. > > -- > > uname -rsvp > Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 > x86_64 > > Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically > deleted. > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing > list. Agreed. I've had Samsung SSDs for several years and simply ignore these updates, so far with no issues whatever. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 19:26, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: > Got a reply that that is currently the case, and only option > would be to install windows on machine, or remove drive > and put in windows machine to upgrade?? If the firmware isn't on the LVFS[1] then you might be able to deploy the update onto the drive using "sudo fwupdtool install-blob foo.bin" -- you'll have to extract the *correct* binary blob from the windows archive (e.g. cabextract) but I know a few people that have done this successfully. Back up all your data first, obviously. Richard. [1] https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On 19 Dec 2022 at 19:32, Tom Horsley wrote: Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 19:32:12 -0500 From: Tom Horsley To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject:Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives? Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users > On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 10:51:01 +1030 > Tim via users wrote: > > > Generally speaking, when things work, don't fiddle with them. Firmware > > is much more tricky than configuration files. It's harder to undo, if > > you can at all, if it goes haywire. > > I had a motherboard once that wasn't operating properly and all > the advice I could find on the internet about the problem said > a firmware upgrade would fix it. So I very carefully with minute > attention to all the details in the update instructions tried to > update the firmware. There was no power failure, no obvious > problems, but the motherboard was now a brick. I was able to > order a pre-flashed replacement eprom chip, and it did indeed > fix the original problem, but I always leave "update the firmware" > as my last resort desperation fix :-). Thanks to all that have responded. Lots of info. For some reason, WD doesn't seem to show any info on what the difference firmwares do or what the updates fix or even file names. Just point to the Windows only program would be nice it they listed the firmwares and what they fix... Know my brother use to build machines, and once had a user that wanted a new system with the largest drive available. Unfortunately, at the time. That motherboard wouldn't even see hard drive, since it exceeded what its bios would support. Fortunately, there wa a new bios of machine, and flashing it got the machine to see drive, but it actually listed that as one of things the newer bios was meant to fix. Thanks again. Will probable just leave it alone. Brother has 3 windows machines with WD SSD drives, but haps will see what it does when run?? > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
+1.Unless you know of a critical fix it is best to not mess with the firmware. if you don't know of an issue then upgrading fw is more likely to kill your device than fix anything. Only the "Enterprise" OEM's who put too much screwed up crap (to increase reliability) in their firmware (broken stuff so making it less reliable than if they kept it simple) want/need you to upgrade firmware often because those extra features are delivered horribly broken. On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 6:21 PM Tim via users wrote: > Michael D. Setzer II: > > Don't know if makes any real difference or what > > improvements firmware updates would do. > > Generally speaking, when things work, don't fiddle with them. Firmware > is much more tricky than configuration files. It's harder to undo, if > you can at all, if it goes haywire. > > Unless you know you have a bug, or that there is an update with details > about what it will update (and such things actually appear to be an > improvement), there's little point in changing things. > > -- > > uname -rsvp > Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 > > Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. > I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 10:51:01 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > Generally speaking, when things work, don't fiddle with them. Firmware > is much more tricky than configuration files. It's harder to undo, if > you can at all, if it goes haywire. I had a motherboard once that wasn't operating properly and all the advice I could find on the internet about the problem said a firmware upgrade would fix it. So I very carefully with minute attention to all the details in the update instructions tried to update the firmware. There was no power failure, no obvious problems, but the motherboard was now a brick. I was able to order a pre-flashed replacement eprom chip, and it did indeed fix the original problem, but I always leave "update the firmware" as my last resort desperation fix :-). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
Michael D. Setzer II: > Don't know if makes any real difference or what > improvements firmware updates would do. Generally speaking, when things work, don't fiddle with them. Firmware is much more tricky than configuration files. It's harder to undo, if you can at all, if it goes haywire. Unless you know you have a bug, or that there is an update with details about what it will update (and such things actually appear to be an improvement), there's little point in changing things. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
SSD firmware is unlikely to cause that sort of issue. SATA/SAS is a pretty well defined protocol that defines a significant level of standardized basic functionality. Trackpad's and similar devices usually require a special vendor provided driver to use most features, and there really are no generic standardized basic functions for most of it, so the vendor can re-work the protocol and the driver whenever they feel like it since there is no standard to conform to. Likely you will have to attach it to a real windows device. Wine emulates basic windows, doing the sort of barely documented low level SATA/SAS calls needed for firmware update likely has no viable translation layer to work in wine on Linux. On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 2:01 PM Michael D. Setzer II via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Thanks for the info. Wasn't aware that firmware update > could cause that kind of problem. > > > On 19 Dec 2022 at 11:51, Mr Brian Domenick wrote: > > Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:51:48 -0800 > Subject: Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on > WD SSD drives? > To: noloa...@gmail.com, > Community support for Fedora users > , > mi...@guam.net > From: Mr Brian Domenick > > Send reply to: Community support for Fedora > users > > > Keep in mind, when you do the update in windows you then don't > > necessarily have linux drivers that match the new firmware. i was burned > > on this a few months back with the trackpad and i ended up just buying > > another one from china that was unupgraded after the trackpad was > > upgraded when windows was running. i learned my lesson since then. If > > its working and the firmware is not available via fwupdmgr then I am not > > loading it. Trying to get any of the groups to deal with it is a pain in > > the ass at each step. Eventually Lenovo admitted to me it was there > > problem and they had a tool available by request to remove the update > > that was applied, but by that point, it was replaced already and this > > was not through the support channel that offerred me the tool. > > > > On 12/19/22 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 2:26 PM Michael D. Setzer II via users > > > wrote: > > >> Contacted them, since web site seemed to only have > > >> option to upgrade firmware using a windows program? > > >> Got a reply that that is currently the case, and only option > > >> would be to install windows on machine, or remove drive > > >> and put in windows machine to upgrade?? > > > Yeah, I've grown tired of this. I now file complaints with the > > > Attorney General's Office. Maybe they will do something about it one > > > day. > > > > > >> I've got 5 Linux machines at home that all have WD SSD > > >> drives, and a few of the earlier ones have older firmware > > >> that others of the same model.. > > >> > > >> Don't know if makes any real difference or what > > >> improvements firmware updates would do. Kind of > > >> disappointed that they don't have a Linux option. > > >> Have used my Linux based G4L program to image old > > >> drives to the SSD drives with no problems, and had heard > > >> good things on the drives. > > > You might try fwupdmgr (1) and the `fwupdmgr update` command. > > > > > > The rub is, I don't know if fwupdmgr has WD firmware in its database. > > > > > >> Wonder if someone knows of an option. Don't know if > > >> windows program to update firmware might work with > > >> wine or not?? > > > I don't think Wine will work. When I asked about it several years ago > > > I was ridiculed for asking such a dumb question. > > > > > > One thing I've been looking into is Rufus and the 'Windows to Go' > > > thing. It's Windows on a thumb drive. My thinking is, if we can boot > > > the machine to Windows using the thumb drive, we may be able to > > > perform the firmware updates. But I have not tried (yet). > > > > > > The problem with Rufus is, it's not well documented for this use case. > > > It also lacks a mailing list, so we can't ask the community or lookup > > > previous questions/answers on the matter. I think the only support > > > option is email the developer directly, which I have avoided to date. > > > > > > Jeff > > >
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On 12/19/22 12:01, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: Thanks for the info. Wasn't aware that firmware update could cause that kind of problem. It's very unlikely to be a problem for a hard drive. They have quite specific interfaces they have to follow. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
Thanks for the info. Wasn't aware that firmware update could cause that kind of problem. On 19 Dec 2022 at 11:51, Mr Brian Domenick wrote: Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:51:48 -0800 Subject: Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives? To: noloa...@gmail.com, Community support for Fedora users , mi...@guam.net From: Mr Brian Domenick Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users > Keep in mind, when you do the update in windows you then don't > necessarily have linux drivers that match the new firmware. i was burned > on this a few months back with the trackpad and i ended up just buying > another one from china that was unupgraded after the trackpad was > upgraded when windows was running. i learned my lesson since then. If > its working and the firmware is not available via fwupdmgr then I am not > loading it. Trying to get any of the groups to deal with it is a pain in > the ass at each step. Eventually Lenovo admitted to me it was there > problem and they had a tool available by request to remove the update > that was applied, but by that point, it was replaced already and this > was not through the support channel that offerred me the tool. > > On 12/19/22 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 2:26 PM Michael D. Setzer II via users > > wrote: > >> Contacted them, since web site seemed to only have > >> option to upgrade firmware using a windows program? > >> Got a reply that that is currently the case, and only option > >> would be to install windows on machine, or remove drive > >> and put in windows machine to upgrade?? > > Yeah, I've grown tired of this. I now file complaints with the > > Attorney General's Office. Maybe they will do something about it one > > day. > > > >> I've got 5 Linux machines at home that all have WD SSD > >> drives, and a few of the earlier ones have older firmware > >> that others of the same model.. > >> > >> Don't know if makes any real difference or what > >> improvements firmware updates would do. Kind of > >> disappointed that they don't have a Linux option. > >> Have used my Linux based G4L program to image old > >> drives to the SSD drives with no problems, and had heard > >> good things on the drives. > > You might try fwupdmgr (1) and the `fwupdmgr update` command. > > > > The rub is, I don't know if fwupdmgr has WD firmware in its database. > > > >> Wonder if someone knows of an option. Don't know if > >> windows program to update firmware might work with > >> wine or not?? > > I don't think Wine will work. When I asked about it several years ago > > I was ridiculed for asking such a dumb question. > > > > One thing I've been looking into is Rufus and the 'Windows to Go' > > thing. It's Windows on a thumb drive. My thinking is, if we can boot > > the machine to Windows using the thumb drive, we may be able to > > perform the firmware updates. But I have not tried (yet). > > > > The problem with Rufus is, it's not well documented for this use case. > > It also lacks a mailing list, so we can't ask the community or lookup > > previous questions/answers on the matter. I think the only support > > option is email the developer directly, which I have avoided to date. > > > > Jeff > > ___ > > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Do not reply to spam, report it: > > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ++ Michael D. Setzer II
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
Keep in mind, when you do the update in windows you then don't necessarily have linux drivers that match the new firmware. i was burned on this a few months back with the trackpad and i ended up just buying another one from china that was unupgraded after the trackpad was upgraded when windows was running. i learned my lesson since then. If its working and the firmware is not available via fwupdmgr then I am not loading it. Trying to get any of the groups to deal with it is a pain in the ass at each step. Eventually Lenovo admitted to me it was there problem and they had a tool available by request to remove the update that was applied, but by that point, it was replaced already and this was not through the support channel that offerred me the tool. On 12/19/22 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 2:26 PM Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: Contacted them, since web site seemed to only have option to upgrade firmware using a windows program? Got a reply that that is currently the case, and only option would be to install windows on machine, or remove drive and put in windows machine to upgrade?? Yeah, I've grown tired of this. I now file complaints with the Attorney General's Office. Maybe they will do something about it one day. I've got 5 Linux machines at home that all have WD SSD drives, and a few of the earlier ones have older firmware that others of the same model.. Don't know if makes any real difference or what improvements firmware updates would do. Kind of disappointed that they don't have a Linux option. Have used my Linux based G4L program to image old drives to the SSD drives with no problems, and had heard good things on the drives. You might try fwupdmgr (1) and the `fwupdmgr update` command. The rub is, I don't know if fwupdmgr has WD firmware in its database. Wonder if someone knows of an option. Don't know if windows program to update firmware might work with wine or not?? I don't think Wine will work. When I asked about it several years ago I was ridiculed for asking such a dumb question. One thing I've been looking into is Rufus and the 'Windows to Go' thing. It's Windows on a thumb drive. My thinking is, if we can boot the machine to Windows using the thumb drive, we may be able to perform the firmware updates. But I have not tried (yet). The problem with Rufus is, it's not well documented for this use case. It also lacks a mailing list, so we can't ask the community or lookup previous questions/answers on the matter. I think the only support option is email the developer directly, which I have avoided to date. Jeff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 2:26 PM Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote: > > Contacted them, since web site seemed to only have > option to upgrade firmware using a windows program? > Got a reply that that is currently the case, and only option > would be to install windows on machine, or remove drive > and put in windows machine to upgrade?? Yeah, I've grown tired of this. I now file complaints with the Attorney General's Office. Maybe they will do something about it one day. > I've got 5 Linux machines at home that all have WD SSD > drives, and a few of the earlier ones have older firmware > that others of the same model.. > > Don't know if makes any real difference or what > improvements firmware updates would do. Kind of > disappointed that they don't have a Linux option. > Have used my Linux based G4L program to image old > drives to the SSD drives with no problems, and had heard > good things on the drives. You might try fwupdmgr (1) and the `fwupdmgr update` command. The rub is, I don't know if fwupdmgr has WD firmware in its database. > Wonder if someone knows of an option. Don't know if > windows program to update firmware might work with > wine or not?? I don't think Wine will work. When I asked about it several years ago I was ridiculed for asking such a dumb question. One thing I've been looking into is Rufus and the 'Windows to Go' thing. It's Windows on a thumb drive. My thinking is, if we can boot the machine to Windows using the thumb drive, we may be able to perform the firmware updates. But I have not tried (yet). The problem with Rufus is, it's not well documented for this use case. It also lacks a mailing list, so we can't ask the community or lookup previous questions/answers on the matter. I think the only support option is email the developer directly, which I have avoided to date. Jeff ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
OT: Can Fedora upgrade firmware on WD SSD drives?
Contacted them, since web site seemed to only have option to upgrade firmware using a windows program? Got a reply that that is currently the case, and only option would be to install windows on machine, or remove drive and put in windows machine to upgrade?? I've got 5 Linux machines at home that all have WD SSD drives, and a few of the earlier ones have older firmware that others of the same model.. Don't know if makes any real difference or what improvements firmware updates would do. Kind of disappointed that they don't have a Linux option. Have used my Linux based G4L program to image old drives to the SSD drives with no problems, and had heard good things on the drives. Wonder if someone knows of an option. Don't know if windows program to update firmware might work with wine or not?? Thanks. ++ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor (Retired) mailto:mi...@guam.net mailto:msetze...@gmail.com Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ ++ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
