Re: OT: Getting local IP addresses from a gateway
On 23 April 2012 00:08, Scott Doty sc...@ponzo.net wrote: Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: I need to get the IP numbers of local hosts, i.e. hosts inside my gateway's firewall. The domain name server in the gateway provides the IP addresses of hosts and sites on the internet, but does not provide the IP addresses for hosts on my local net. Not sure if you can run it on the belkin, but dd-wrt has this capability... Also, using avahi, you might be able to resolve the host as hostname.local (where hostname is your host's name. Agreed, you should be able to install nss-mdns and avahi on all your machines and then use hostname.local addresses. I don't know how you get Mac and Windows to play with this configuration (Mac at least should be able to do it) and if there are non-pc devices that need to be resolved then you do need to think about having a DHCP+DNS server or giving those static-IPs for your network (which is not necessarily a bad solution). -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Getting local IP addresses from a gateway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/22/2012 08:11 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 00:15 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.04.2012 00:09, schrieb Jonathan Ryshpan: I need to get the IP numbers of local hosts, i.e. hosts inside my gateway's firewall. The domain name server in the gateway provides the IP addresses of hosts and sites on the internet, but does not provide the IP addresses for hosts on my local net. The gateway is aware of their names and addresses; one of its admin screens shows them, exactly as they identify themselves. A chat session with customer support (an extract follows) indicates that this function is definitely not available. The problem is not disastrous, since the addresses, once assigned, are pretty much static, and so can be put into /etc/hosts. However this looks a little like a hack. have you ever heard about DNS? :-) I have. The gateway includes a mini DNS server within itself, as you probably know. I could set up a DNS server on one of my hosts, but don't think this would be worth the trouble, since there will be at most 4 of them. Thanks for your advice, which is well meant though mischievously stated (;-). jon With that few hosts, you may want to have your router assign specific IP address to each MAC address, so that they are always the same, and use the host file as you stated. I have not checked the specifications for your router, but most will let you assign a static IP address in the DHCP setup. The only drawback is that if you change NICs, you have to modify the settings in the router, or change the configuration on the computer so it uses the old MAC address... Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+VRf0ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQjaQCeP58eOx+nHB1FawkosfvrcVYC e+EAnAtQpq3JBJGAyVZcvGSJ3oGJGDdV =4PZw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
OT: Getting local IP addresses from a gateway
I need to get the IP numbers of local hosts, i.e. hosts inside my gateway's firewall. The domain name server in the gateway provides the IP addresses of hosts and sites on the internet, but does not provide the IP addresses for hosts on my local net. The gateway is aware of their names and addresses; one of its admin screens shows them, exactly as they identify themselves. A chat session with customer support (an extract follows) indicates that this function is definitely not available. The problem is not disastrous, since the addresses, once assigned, are pretty much static, and so can be put into /etc/hosts. However this looks a little like a hack. Has anyone else dealt with this problem? Know a way around it? Do gateways from other manufacturers have similar problems? On the one hand, I'm pleased to get a straight answer, even though bad news, from Belkin. On the other I'm amused that after telling me that this particular function of the router is totally broken, the tech rep thanks me for choosing Belkin. Router is Belkin F7D5301 v1 (01) System is Fedora-16 on x86_64 hardware Chat Session (edited) Follows ... jonrysh: ... This router (and all your other routers) will not return the IP address belonging to a host that it knows about in reply to any kind of query from a host (except the admin interface). Is this correct? Belkin: thats correct jonrysh: Thanks very much. We are complete. Bye Belkin: Thank you for choosing Belkin technical support have a nice day -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Getting local IP addresses from a gateway
Am 23.04.2012 00:09, schrieb Jonathan Ryshpan: I need to get the IP numbers of local hosts, i.e. hosts inside my gateway's firewall. The domain name server in the gateway provides the IP addresses of hosts and sites on the internet, but does not provide the IP addresses for hosts on my local net. The gateway is aware of their names and addresses; one of its admin screens shows them, exactly as they identify themselves. A chat session with customer support (an extract follows) indicates that this function is definitely not available. The problem is not disastrous, since the addresses, once assigned, are pretty much static, and so can be put into /etc/hosts. However this looks a little like a hack. have you ever heard about DNS? :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Getting local IP addresses from a gateway
Not sure if you can run it on the belkin, but dd-wrt has this capability... Also, using avahi, you might be able to resolve the host as hostname.local (where hostname is your host's name. Finally, when all else fails, you can always serve up the in-addr.arpa zones for your private address space. :-) -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: I need to get the IP numbers of local hosts, i.e. hosts inside my gateway's firewall. The domain name server in the gateway provides the IP addresses of hosts and sites on the internet, but does not provide the IP addresses for hosts on my local net. The gateway is aware of their names and addresses; one of its admin screens shows them, exactly as they identify themselves. A chat session with customer support (an extract follows) indicates that this function is definitely not available. The problem is not disastrous, since the addresses, once assigned, are pretty much static, and so can be put into /etc/hosts. However this looks a little like a hack. Has anyone else dealt with this problem? Know a way around it? Do gateways from other manufacturers have similar problems? On the one hand, I'm pleased to get a straight answer, even though bad news, from Belkin. On the other I'm amused that after telling me that this particular function of the router is totally broken, the tech rep thanks me for choosing Belkin. Router is Belkin F7D5301 v1 (01) System is Fedora-16 on x86_64 hardware Chat Session (edited) Follows ... jonrysh: ... This router (and all your other routers) will not return the IP address belonging to a host that it knows about in reply to any kind of query from a host (except the admin interface). Is this correct? Belkin: thats correct jonrysh: Thanks very much. We are complete. Bye Belkin: Thank you for choosing Belkin technical support have a nice day -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Getting local IP addresses from a gateway
On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 15:09 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I need to get the IP numbers of local hosts, i.e. hosts inside my gateway's firewall. The domain name server in the gateway provides the IP addresses of hosts and sites on the internet, but does not provide the IP addresses for hosts on my local net. It's quite common for domestic routers to not bother with reverse name lookups as well as forward ones (since the average user won't need the feature, there's little incentive for them to include it). Long ago, I decided that if I wanted a name resolution on my LAN, that I should run a local name server on one of the computers, rather than let a modem/router do a half-assed job. So I went the whole hog. I turned off the DHCP server in the router, and ran one in the server PC, along with a DNS server on the server that talked to the DHCP server. Permanent machines get doled out the same IP by the DHCP server, and the DNS server resolves their addresses in both directions (*). Visiting machines get doled out a temporary IP, their addresses are temporarily entered into the DNS server recorded, and their addresses are resolved in both directions. And my DNS, also, resolves all queries about WWW addresses for the LAN PCs. I've never regretted doing so. I appreciate it all the more for being able to kill some addresses through my name server (any lookups related to them fails - doubleclick.com doesn't work, at all, now; likewise with many other annoyances). * Both directions meaning that a forward lookup of asking for the IP for an name, and a reverse lookup of a name for an IP, both work. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Getting local IP addresses from a gateway
On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 00:15 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.04.2012 00:09, schrieb Jonathan Ryshpan: I need to get the IP numbers of local hosts, i.e. hosts inside my gateway's firewall. The domain name server in the gateway provides the IP addresses of hosts and sites on the internet, but does not provide the IP addresses for hosts on my local net. The gateway is aware of their names and addresses; one of its admin screens shows them, exactly as they identify themselves. A chat session with customer support (an extract follows) indicates that this function is definitely not available. The problem is not disastrous, since the addresses, once assigned, are pretty much static, and so can be put into /etc/hosts. However this looks a little like a hack. have you ever heard about DNS? :-) I have. The gateway includes a mini DNS server within itself, as you probably know. I could set up a DNS server on one of my hosts, but don't think this would be worth the trouble, since there will be at most 4 of them. Thanks for your advice, which is well meant though mischievously stated (;-). jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
