Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:29 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > I've discovered a solution. It is now necessary to remove two > packages: > > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > alsa-plugins-maemo You just saved me a lot of time. I was fighting the same issue the other night. I deleted these packages and sound works again for me too. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 11:53:15AM +0100, Ian Malone wrote: > On 30 June 2012 08:41, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > On 06/30/2012 03:53 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > > > >> I thought it solved the problem of multiple applications play some > >> sound simultaneously on the same device? It's not as rare as you might > >> think; a voip call while you are listening to music for example. > > > > That was already solved by alsa dmix. > > > > For certain values of 'solved'. > I've discovered a solution. It is now necessary to remove two packages: alsa-plugins-pulseaudio alsa-plugins-maemo With both packages removed, both root and I (and presumeably all users) can generate sounds, including a login tune generated in rc.local. -- David A. De GraafDATIX, Inc.Hendersonville, NC d...@datix.us www.datix.us -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
On 30 June 2012 08:41, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 06/30/2012 03:53 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > >> I thought it solved the problem of multiple applications play some >> sound simultaneously on the same device? It's not as rare as you might >> think; a voip call while you are listening to music for example. > > That was already solved by alsa dmix. > For certain values of 'solved'. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
On 06/30/2012 03:53 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > I thought it solved the problem of multiple applications play some > sound simultaneously on the same device? It's not as rare as you might > think; a voip call while you are listening to music for example. That was already solved by alsa dmix. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > Pulseaudio has always struck me as a solution looking for a problem and > failing to find one. I thought it solved the problem of multiple applications play some sound simultaneously on the same device? It's not as rare as you might think; a voip call while you are listening to music for example. Or am I misunderstanding something? -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
On 06/29/2012 03:31 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Security. If it can't be used it can't be misused. If it can't be used, it's worthless. Pulseaudio has always struck me as a solution looking for a problem and failing to find one. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
Am 30.06.2012 00:31, schrieb Bill Davidsen: > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote: >>> Does anyone know how to allow root and users other than me to use the >>> sound system? >>> >>> Ever since pulseaudio was introduced in Fedora 8 and Mr. Lennart >>> Poettering inflicted his peculiar ideas of security on us, the default >>> installation hasn't worked properly, despite many BZ's and copious >>> complaints! Specifically, pulseaudio invents the "seat" and only the >>> one person in the "seat" can use the sound system. This precludes >>> having root, or anyone else, from generating sounds - presumably it's a >>> security risk. Bosh! >> >> Yup. Ran into this problem trying to make an alarm clock with atd or >> crond. Can't have sound unless you are logged in. I had to totally >> remove PA and just use alsa. But I know that's not possible any more. >> Now we have systemd too. Joy. >> > Security. If it can't be used it can't be misused in the context of sound this is nonsense if i play music there is no dmaned reason that it stops playing after switch with CTRL+ALT+F2 it is a poor development not having a simple option for systemdwide sound these days signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
Robert Arkiletian wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote: Does anyone know how to allow root and users other than me to use the sound system? Ever since pulseaudio was introduced in Fedora 8 and Mr. Lennart Poettering inflicted his peculiar ideas of security on us, the default installation hasn't worked properly, despite many BZ's and copious complaints! Specifically, pulseaudio invents the "seat" and only the one person in the "seat" can use the sound system. This precludes having root, or anyone else, from generating sounds - presumably it's a security risk. Bosh! Yup. Ran into this problem trying to make an alarm clock with atd or crond. Can't have sound unless you are logged in. I had to totally remove PA and just use alsa. But I know that's not possible any more. Now we have systemd too. Joy. Security. If it can't be used it can't be misused. -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:59:30PM -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/27/2012 10:57 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:24:05PM -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >> You may want to look into running PA as a system daemon instead of a > >> user daemon. > > > > I have done so, and it didn't work. Specifically, I put these > > commands into /etc/rc.d/rc.local: > > # Start the pulseaudio daemon > > /usr/bin/pkill -9 pulseaudio > > /usr/bin/pulseaudio --kill > > sleep 1 > > echo "/usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --system --log-target=syslog" > > /usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --system --log-target=syslog > > /usr/bin/play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Phone-Ring.ogg > > > > You need to edit the files in /etc/pulse. You at lease need to > modify the daemon.conf file. You will probably want uncomment > daemonize and system-instance and change them to yes. Thank you Mikkel, for your attempt to help. I did edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to set these non-standard values: daemonize = yes use-pid-file = no system-instance = yes but it didn't change anything. I didn't see anything else in /etc/pulse/* that seemed relevant. The system daemon ran but remained impervious to any sound generation by root or dad. Curiously, skype was able to produce its sound effects. > > Mikkel -- David A. De GraafDATIX, Inc.Hendersonville, NC d...@datix.us www.datix.us The problem with the world is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem solve itself? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/27/2012 10:57 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:24:05PM -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> You may want to look into running PA as a system daemon instead of a >> user daemon. > > I have done so, and it didn't work. Specifically, I put these > commands into /etc/rc.d/rc.local: > # Start the pulseaudio daemon > /usr/bin/pkill -9 pulseaudio > /usr/bin/pulseaudio --kill > sleep 1 > echo "/usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --system --log-target=syslog" > /usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --system --log-target=syslog > /usr/bin/play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Phone-Ring.ogg > > Upon rebooting, no sound was produced, but a pulseaudio daemon was > found running with the --system option. Neither I nor root could produce > any sound. The 'play' command ran for a time commensurate with its > usual running time, but no sound emanated from the speakers. > > Neither 'pulseaudio --kill' nor 'pkill pulseaudio' were able to > stop the daemon, either as root or as dad. root running 'kill -9 ' > did kill it. With it gone, I could once again generate sound, but root > could not. > > Perhaps I misunderstand the correct way to start a "system daemon" of > pulseaudio. I did also edit /etc/group, adding root and dad to groups > audio, pulse, pulse-access just for good measure. > > Reading 'man pulseaudio' tells me the --system option is not > recommended. Perhaps the consequences are so dire and > world-threatening that the developer has made it inoperative. > It tells us that a special configuration is needed, but provides no > clue what that may be. > You need to edit the files in /etc/pulse. You at lease need to modify the daemon.conf file. You will probably want uncomment daemonize and system-instance and change them to yes. Mikkel -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/rSgIACgkQqbQrVW3JyMR/oACdGu6Trd1d6F5ud0wIrAllZR6o PZ4An08JqM2MNoWzchCOjU/kJ6TPNn7Z =+3W3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:24:05PM -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/26/2012 02:22 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > > Does anyone know how to allow root and users other than me to use the > > sound system? > > > > Ever since pulseaudio was introduced in Fedora 8 and Mr. Lennart > > Poettering inflicted his peculiar ideas of security on us, the default > > installation hasn't worked properly, despite many BZ's and copious > > complaints! Specifically, pulseaudio invents the "seat" and only the > > one person in the "seat" can use the sound system. This precludes > > having root, or anyone else, from generating sounds - presumably it's a > > security risk. Bosh! > Well, that depends on if you have a microphone attached to your > system, and consider allowing a remote user to listen to what is > going on by your computer a security risk. There's the microphone, the camera and the loudspeaker. Surely software can distinguish between them. In my case, at home, I'm really not worried about secret spying. And if it did occur, I'd handle the problem with social intervention, not software blockage. What annoys me is the inability for anyone on the system to produce sounds without arbitrary restrictions. > > > > A simple workaround was found - remove the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > > package, and edit /etc/group, adding everyone on the system to the > > audio group (what a nutty idea). That removed the restrictions and > > restored sanity. Root could even generate a login tune via the > > /etc/rc.d/rc.local script, before anyone had logged on. > > > > With F17, this escape hatch has been removed. > > With the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package absent, a simple command to > > play a sound yields a core dump: > > > > $ play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Sys-Log-In.ogg > > dsp_protocol_open_node(): Could not open pcm device file > /dev/dsptask/pcm2 > > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > > > The pcm device file is, indeed, absent from the file system. > > In fact, no sounds whatever can be generated by any of the standard > > methods I use. (Except that Windows running inside VirtualBox seems > > able to manage it.) > It sounds like the snd_pcm module did not get loaded. Now that sounds like a clue. Can you be more specific? I can find no package with "snd_pcm" in its name. Also, did I mention that sound, and the yum erase alsa-plugins-pulseaudio workaround, works perfectly on an i386 netbook. On that netbook the file /dev/dsptask/pcm2 is also missing; yet the 'play' program works anyway. It suggests a bug in the x86_64 version of 'play', except that all the other sound-producing programs also don't work. Therefore, I deduce it's the fault of pulseaudio... > > > > To get any sound at all, I've had to reinstall the > > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package, but this allows only me to generate > > sound and destroys my crontab-simulated grandfather clock, among other > > things. > > > > On an i386 netbook, F17 sound works fine, as it always has, with the > > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package removed. The play program doesn't > > complain about the absence of /dev/dsptask/pcm2, but just plays the > > sound. > > > > What new magic incantation is now required that I may be permitted > > to use my x86_64 sound system fully? > > > You may want to look into running PA as a system daemon instead of a > user daemon. I have done so, and it didn't work. Specifically, I put these commands into /etc/rc.d/rc.local: # Start the pulseaudio daemon /usr/bin/pkill -9 pulseaudio /usr/bin/pulseaudio --kill sleep 1 echo "/usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --system --log-target=syslog" /usr/bin/pulseaudio -D --system --log-target=syslog /usr/bin/play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Phone-Ring.ogg Upon rebooting, no sound was produced, but a pulseaudio daemon was found running with the --system option. Neither I nor root could produce any sound. The 'play' command ran for a time commensurate with its usual running time, but no sound emanated from the speakers. Neither 'pulseaudio --kill' nor 'pkill pulseaudio' were able to stop the daemon, either as root or as dad. root running 'kill -9 ' did kill it. With it gone, I could once again generate sound, but root could not. Perhaps I misunderstand the correct way to start a "system daemon" of pulseaudio. I did also edit /etc/group, adding root and dad to groups audio, pulse, pulse-access just for good measure. Reading 'man pulseaudio' tells me the --system option is not recommended. Perhaps the consequences are so dire and world-threatening that the developer has made it inoperative. It tells us that a special configuration is needed, but provides no clue what that may be. -- David A. De GraafDATIX, Inc.Hendersonville, NC d...@datix.us www.datix.us We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription option
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > Does anyone know how to allow root and users other than me to use the > sound system? > > Ever since pulseaudio was introduced in Fedora 8 and Mr. Lennart > Poettering inflicted his peculiar ideas of security on us, the default > installation hasn't worked properly, despite many BZ's and copious > complaints! Specifically, pulseaudio invents the "seat" and only the > one person in the "seat" can use the sound system. This precludes > having root, or anyone else, from generating sounds - presumably it's a > security risk. Bosh! Yup. Ran into this problem trying to make an alarm clock with atd or crond. Can't have sound unless you are logged in. I had to totally remove PA and just use alsa. But I know that's not possible any more. Now we have systemd too. Joy. -- Robert Arkiletian -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Pulseaudio strikes again!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/26/2012 02:22 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > Does anyone know how to allow root and users other than me to use the > sound system? > > Ever since pulseaudio was introduced in Fedora 8 and Mr. Lennart > Poettering inflicted his peculiar ideas of security on us, the default > installation hasn't worked properly, despite many BZ's and copious > complaints! Specifically, pulseaudio invents the "seat" and only the > one person in the "seat" can use the sound system. This precludes > having root, or anyone else, from generating sounds - presumably it's a > security risk. Bosh! Well, that depends on if you have a microphone attached to your system, and consider allowing a remote user to listen to what is going on by your computer a security risk. > > A simple workaround was found - remove the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > package, and edit /etc/group, adding everyone on the system to the > audio group (what a nutty idea). That removed the restrictions and > restored sanity. Root could even generate a login tune via the > /etc/rc.d/rc.local script, before anyone had logged on. > > With F17, this escape hatch has been removed. > With the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package absent, a simple command to > play a sound yields a core dump: > > $ play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Sys-Log-In.ogg > dsp_protocol_open_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm2 > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > The pcm device file is, indeed, absent from the file system. > In fact, no sounds whatever can be generated by any of the standard > methods I use. (Except that Windows running inside VirtualBox seems > able to manage it.) It sounds like the snd_pcm module did not get loaded. > > To get any sound at all, I've had to reinstall the > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package, but this allows only me to generate > sound and destroys my crontab-simulated grandfather clock, among other > things. > > On an i386 netbook, F17 sound works fine, as it always has, with the > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package removed. The play program doesn't > complain about the absence of /dev/dsptask/pcm2, but just plays the > sound. > > What new magic incantation is now required that I may be permitted > to use my x86_64 sound system fully? > You may want to look into running PA as a system daemon instead of a user daemon. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/qYLQACgkQqbQrVW3JyMRCYgCeLds+GSpPpofeVzSwt6mYk94K t4gAmwYTb1G+5Y3OgSoqA86SVGB/RJNU =GAup -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Pulseaudio strikes again!
Does anyone know how to allow root and users other than me to use the sound system? Ever since pulseaudio was introduced in Fedora 8 and Mr. Lennart Poettering inflicted his peculiar ideas of security on us, the default installation hasn't worked properly, despite many BZ's and copious complaints! Specifically, pulseaudio invents the "seat" and only the one person in the "seat" can use the sound system. This precludes having root, or anyone else, from generating sounds - presumably it's a security risk. Bosh! A simple workaround was found - remove the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package, and edit /etc/group, adding everyone on the system to the audio group (what a nutty idea). That removed the restrictions and restored sanity. Root could even generate a login tune via the /etc/rc.d/rc.local script, before anyone had logged on. With F17, this escape hatch has been removed. With the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package absent, a simple command to play a sound yields a core dump: $ play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Sys-Log-In.ogg dsp_protocol_open_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm2 Segmentation fault (core dumped) The pcm device file is, indeed, absent from the file system. In fact, no sounds whatever can be generated by any of the standard methods I use. (Except that Windows running inside VirtualBox seems able to manage it.) To get any sound at all, I've had to reinstall the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package, but this allows only me to generate sound and destroys my crontab-simulated grandfather clock, among other things. On an i386 netbook, F17 sound works fine, as it always has, with the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package removed. The play program doesn't complain about the absence of /dev/dsptask/pcm2, but just plays the sound. What new magic incantation is now required that I may be permitted to use my x86_64 sound system fully? -- David A. De GraafDATIX, Inc.Hendersonville, NC d...@datix.us www.datix.us -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
