Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. I'd be interested to know if Fedora-18 KDE Live ever makes a WiFi connection, as it doesn't do so on my Thinkpad T60 with Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG, which usually seems to work out of the box under Linux. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
On 01/19/2013 10:42 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. I'd be interested to know if Fedora-18 KDE Live ever makes a WiFi connection, as it doesn't do so on my Thinkpad T60 with Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG, which usually seems to work out of the box under Linux. FWIW, my F18-64 KDE-Live (VirtualBox VM) makes a WiFi connection. It has attached to it a USB WiFi module, Ralink RT3070. -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
Are you able to follow these instructions? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428974.html I wondered if the problem is that the RPMfusion broadcom-wl is not up to date. Ranjan On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:01:33 -0500 Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. It seems that the obvious solutions are not practical, since both the Live-CD and Install kernels use kernels for which rpmfusion has no driver software due to their age. I suppose I could grab another laptop, connect to the net, set up routing, connect the laptops by cable, but that's a real hack. I could also install MINT, since their religious beliefs do not prohibit using freely provided vendor drivers, but I really prefer Fedora. I could provide a USB WiFi adapter which is recognized, only none of the three I have is detected by the kernels provided, even though they all worked on the FC16 gen laptops I was using a year ago or so. I could build my own kernel, but I have never mastered the secure boot sign your own UEFI, and I could run FC18 under KVM, but that doesn't provide the newer security features, just the newer apps, which is not the issue. Suggestions? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
Ranjan Maitra wrote: Are you able to follow these instructions? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428974.html I wondered if the problem is that the RPMfusion broadcom-wl is not up to date. I believe that the opposite is true, the kernel in the Live-CD is so old that the matching drivers are no longer readily found on rpmfusion. The current packages match a kernel newer than the one on the Live-CD or install DVD. Thanks for the link, unfortunately installing thing not in the distro requires downloading the packages. It's Catch-22, if I had network connectivity I could download the things I need to get network connectivity. But then I wouldn't need to... I can download to external media, but that gets ugly, complex, and vastly time-consuming. Install a package, find out what else it needs, repeat indefinitely. Again, thanks for the help. Ranjan On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:01:33 -0500 Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. It seems that the obvious solutions are not practical, since both the Live-CD and Install kernels use kernels for which rpmfusion has no driver software due to their age. I suppose I could grab another laptop, connect to the net, set up routing, connect the laptops by cable, but that's a real hack. I could also install MINT, since their religious beliefs do not prohibit using freely provided vendor drivers, but I really prefer Fedora. I could provide a USB WiFi adapter which is recognized, only none of the three I have is detected by the kernels provided, even though they all worked on the FC16 gen laptops I was using a year ago or so. I could build my own kernel, but I have never mastered the secure boot sign your own UEFI, and I could run FC18 under KVM, but that doesn't provide the newer security features, just the newer apps, which is not the issue. Suggestions? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. SNIP Suggestions? I just did a modprobe b43 and the b43 module loaded without requiring any additional files or packages. Clicked on the NetworkMangler status widget and picked my wireless AP. Provided the password and connected right up. I have a fairly old laptop with the BCM4306 chipset and my F18 install is fairly pristine but I do have a wired connection to the same laptop and did a yum update so the kernel is current. I previously had F16 working on the same laptop and still have a working install of F17 on another partition set. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:56:08 -0500 Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Ranjan Maitra wrote: Are you able to follow these instructions? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428974.html I wondered if the problem is that the RPMfusion broadcom-wl is not up to date. I believe that the opposite is true, the kernel in the Live-CD is so old that the matching drivers are no longer readily found on rpmfusion. The current packages match a kernel newer than the one on the Live-CD or install DVD. The broadcom-wl is numbered: 5.100.82.112 which appears to be earlier (?) than the number: 5.100.138 in the supplied link. That is why I was thinking that the broadcom-wl is not upto date. Thanks for the link, unfortunately installing thing not in the distro requires downloading the packages. It's Catch-22, if I had network connectivity I could download the things I need to get network connectivity. But then I wouldn't need to... Yes, I was able to use a wired connection to get these: it is pretty straightforward from then on (at least, was, for me). I can download to external media, but that gets ugly, complex, and vastly time-consuming. Install a package, find out what else it needs, repeat indefinitely. I understand the frustration. What did you do previously to get WiFi working on F? Broadcom support has never been included in F from what I understand. Best wishes, Ranjan FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:41:20 + David G. Miller d...@davenjudy.org wrote: Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. SNIP Suggestions? I just did a modprobe b43 and the b43 module loaded without requiring any additional files or packages. Clicked on the NetworkMangler status widget and picked my wireless AP. Provided the password and connected right up. Vanilla, pristine Fedora, without including anything, even from RPMfusion? Or is BCM4306 perhaps not proprietary anymore? I have a fairly old laptop with the BCM4306 chipset and my F18 install is fairly pristine but I do have a wired connection to the same laptop and did a yum update so the kernel is current. I previously had F16 working on the same laptop and still have a working install of F17 on another partition set. Ranjan FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:56:08 -0500 Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Ranjan Maitra wrote: Are you able to follow these instructions? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-January/428974.html I wondered if the problem is that the RPMfusion broadcom-wl is not up to date. I believe that the opposite is true, the kernel in the Live-CD is so old that the matching drivers are no longer readily found on rpmfusion. The current packages match a kernel newer than the one on the Live-CD or install DVD. The broadcom-wl is numbered: 5.100.82.112 which appears to be earlier (?) than the number: 5.100.138 in the supplied link. That is why I was thinking that the broadcom-wl is not upto date. Thanks for the link, unfortunately installing thing not in the distro requires downloading the packages. It's Catch-22, if I had network connectivity I could download the things I need to get network connectivity. But then I wouldn't need to... Yes, I was able to use a wired connection to get these: it is pretty straightforward from then on (at least, was, for me). I can download to external media, but that gets ugly, complex, and vastly time-consuming. Install a package, find out what else it needs, repeat indefinitely. I understand the frustration. What did you do previously to get WiFi working on F? Broadcom support has never been included in F from what I understand. Wired was easy the last time I updated this, though not as easy as when I ran ISP servers and had GB to the server and OC12 (or so) to the net. I can take the laptop to a wired connection, it just doesn't *have* one where it is, and it would seem as though there would be a way to do it better than sneaker net and taking it for a ride in my car. I will be able to get there from here if I choose to make it a death battle, but someone could be my friend forever if they made up an install spin which had a Live-CD and a kernel with all the drivers needed to access current video and wireless devices such as are commonly used in affordable hardware. I would expect more of rpmfusion, I would think they would have the drivers for the Live-CD and install DVD available, even though the kernels are out of date. Thanks for the sympathy, looking at how bizarre the partitioning stuff has become, I suspect getting to an install over what I want to erase and not over the current stuff will be exciting. Before someone says it, of course I have backups, at least of the important stuff, the rest could be recreated if needed. Best wishes, Ranjan FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
David G. Miller wrote: Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. SNIP Suggestions? I just did a modprobe b43 and the b43 module loaded without requiring any additional files or packages. Clicked on the NetworkMangler status widget and picked my wireless AP. Provided the password and connected right up. I have a fairly old laptop with the BCM4306 chipset and my F18 install is fairly pristine but I do have a wired connection to the same laptop and did a yum update so the kernel is current. I previously had F16 working on the same laptop and still have a working install of F17 on another partition set. The wired connection would be nice, I had hoped to avoid that, as upgrading laptops is probably not going to be a once in a lifetime event. Finding a way without wires is more fun than bringing a laptop to a wire, since then you can't easily justify working on the wireless solution for all the other laptops. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes
Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: David G. Miller wrote: Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an option, SNIP I just did a modprobe b43 and the b43 module loaded without requiring any additional files or packages. SNIP The wired connection would be nice, I had hoped to avoid that, as upgrading laptops is probably not going to be a once in a lifetime event. Finding a way without wires is more fun than bringing a laptop to a wire, since then you can't easily justify working on the wireless solution for all the other laptops. I just checked and I'm getting the broadcom firmware (under /lib/firmware/brcm) from the linux-firmware rpm. Here's what yum info says about it: [root@petard ~]# yum info linux-firmware Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto Installed Packages Name: linux-firmware Arch: noarch Version : 20120925 Release : 0.3.git236367d.fc18 Size: 34 M Repo: installed From repo : koji-override-0 Summary : Firmware files used by the Linux kernel URL : http://www.kernel.org/ License : GPL+ and GPLv2+ and MIT and Redistributable, no modification permitted Description : Kernel-firmware includes firmware files required for some devices : to operate. Unfortunately, I have the rpmfusion repo enabled so it's possible that I picked this up from there on an update (but I doubt it). Also, I started from the xfce respin CD. I think the repo being koji-override-0 is an artifact of the xfce respin but it could make a difference. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
