Re: OpenOffice and Fedora
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 13:05:47 -0400, Bill Davidsendavid...@tmr.com wrote: It seems that the future of OO is not so bleak as was originally thought. OO is now handed to Apache, with the support of Oracle and IBM, as well as others. http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/060211-faq-whats-the-future-of.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_am_2011-06-03 Apache hasn't officially accepted the project yet. That is a multistep process and is just getting started. Noted, and thanks for clarifying that. The link below seems to indicate that Apache is in favor of this, and I'm sure Oracle didn't just toss this over the wall without checking to see if Apache was receptive to accepting the project. http://www.networkworld.com/community/apache-president-jim-jagielski-talks-openoffice-org?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2011-06-03 Clearly this is a developing story, I just wanted to make the point that having two projects may thin the resources and reduce the progress of either. I'd like to believe that won't happen, but I suspect it will. -- Bill Davidsendavid...@tmr.com We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice and Fedora
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:07, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Clearly this is a developing story, I just wanted to make the point that having two projects may thin the resources and reduce the progress of either. I'd like to believe that won't happen, but I suspect it will. After all, the small group of vocal anti-Oracle guys led by Novell´s Meeks reached their goal: killing the for-profit Staroffice commercial roduct based on OpenOffice.org code (which Oracle had renamed Oracle Open Office (notice the lack of .org in the name, which was still developed). This led to Oracle´s layoff of all its OO.o developers. So Libre office ends up without half the previous developers. All in the name of freedom by the small LO minority, of course. Ubuntu´s Shuttleworth sums it up very nicely here: http://ho.io/libreoffice -- Shuttleworth has a fairly serious disagreement with how the OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice split came about. He said that Sun made a $100 million gift to the community when it opened up the OpenOffice code. But a radical faction made the lives of the OpenOffice developers hell by refusing to contribute code under the Sun agreement. That eventually led to the split, but furthermore led Oracle to finally decide to stop OpenOffice development and lay off 100 employees. He contends that the pace of development for LibreOffice is not keeping up with what OpenOffice was able to achieve and wonders if OpenOffice would have been better off if the factionalists hadn't won. There is a pathological lack of understanding among some parts of the community about what companies bring to the table, he said. People fear and mistrust the companies on one hand, while asking where can I get a job in free software? on the other. Companies bring jobs, he said. There is a lot of ideological claptrap that permeates the community and, while it is reasonable to be cautious about the motives of companies, avoiding them entirely is not rational. -- FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice and Fedora
On 4 June 2011 20:11, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:07, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Clearly this is a developing story, I just wanted to make the point that having two projects may thin the resources and reduce the progress of either. I'd like to believe that won't happen, but I suspect it will. After all, the small group of vocal anti-Oracle guys led by Novell´s Meeks reached their goal: killing the for-profit Staroffice commercial roduct based on OpenOffice.org code (which Oracle had renamed Oracle Open Office (notice the lack of .org in the name, which was still developed). Oh, look, it's Oracle's Mr. Cassia with his FUD again! Dear sir, this time it took much too long for you to react properly; please make sure that you react faster, as it is proper and required from you. [And please do work your story better; either Mr Meeks and his ghastly Novell troops are puny and insignificant – and unable to develop any software in a reasonable way OR they are so TERRIBLY COMPETENT, that even a huge corporation like Oracle was not able to compete with them and had to dissolve their brilliant troop of OpenOffice programmers; you can't really have this both ways and sound credible, you know.] Sincerely Miroslaw Baran -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice and Fedora
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 16:36, Miroslaw Baran miroslaw.ba...@gmail.com wrote: that even a huge corporation like Oracle I´m not affiliated in any way with Oracle Corp. I´m a freelance journalist struggling to make ends meet. I was just a happy OpenOffice.org user and saw nothing wrong with Contributor Agreements by Sun Microsystems. A vocal small group of developers, led by Novel´s Mr. Meeks (by the way, Oracle is an evil corporation, and what is Novell? a not-for profit venture? Did Novell sign patent agreements with Microsoft? Did Novell promote Microsoft´s .Net with its Mono venture? yes? no? Did Novell develop patches for Microsoft´s OO-XML or not?). In fact, I did purchase StarOffice, as a way to promote OpenOffice.org development. (after all, it was Sun who footed the bill of most OpenOffice.org programmers). So is Canonical´s Shuttleworth an agent of Orace corp, as well, when he says He contends that the pace of development for LibreOffice is not keeping up with what OpenOffice was able to achieve and wonders if OpenOffice would have been better off if the factionalists hadn't won. I´m sure Shuttleworth has a lot more credibility and inside knowledge than me, I´m sure. What I do know are the facts... there was a commercial product (StarOffice) based on the FOSS OpenOffice.org, and now there is no more. There were 50 devs on ORCL´s payroll working on OpenOffice.org and now there are no more. There were big plans for the commercial build of OO.o (StarOffice, renamed Oracle Open Office and developed in parallel with the Oo.o base) and now there´s no more. Thank you! LibreeOffice freedom fighters! In fact I downloaded the automatic upgrade from Sun StarOffice 9 to Oracle Open Office (built on Oracle´s OO.o 3.3 base) and it included a bunch of new connectors and plug-ins between Oo.o and a wide range of Oracle commercial software. You know, the kind of stuff that Corporations would have loved and have surely bought, increasing the profits and encouraging more devs on OpenOffice.org footed by Evil Oracle. But you know what? you win... applying a bit of doublespeak from 1984... less is more... defeat is winning... fork is king... Novell does wonders (just look at how they sank their company), and Mono rules. FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OpenOffice and Fedora
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 13:05:47 -0400, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: It seems that the future of OO is not so bleak as was originally thought. OO is now handed to Apache, with the support of Oracle and IBM, as well as others. http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/060211-faq-whats-the-future-of.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_am_2011-06-03 Apache hasn't officially accepted the project yet. That is a multistep process and is just getting started. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
