Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 09:36:52AM +0200, lee wrote: Someone someone...@openmailbox.org writes: I'm completely up to date, and I've rebooted several times. Has anyone had any luck with playing sound? Logged in as a second user, that user cannot play sound. This hasn`t been fixed since F17 :( Any idea how to fix that? The only salient effect of pulseaudio, to my non-discriminating ears, is to impose misguided restrictions that prevent anyone but the first to login from creating sound. Empirically, these restrictions are implemented in the package alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, and by removing it, the restrictions disappear. It's also necessary to edit /etc/group to make every last user a member of group 'audio'. yum info alsa-plugins-pulseaudio tells us: This plugin allows any program that uses the ALSA API to access a PulseAudio sound daemon. In other words, native ALSA applications can play and record sound across a network. Since I have discovered no need to operate sound across a network, but frequently want others than myself, ie, root, to generate audible signals, removing this package has been beneficial. After doing so I add to the end of /etc/rc.d/rc.local a line like /usr/bin/play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Sys-Log-In.ogg for a pleasing audible alert that systemd is finally done. -- David A. De GraafDATIX, Inc.Hendersonville, NC d...@datix.us www.datix.us Wagner's music is better than it sounds. -Mark Twain -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 20 May 2014 04:50, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: In a number of distributions over a period spanning many years, removing pulseaudio has been a first, and all too often entirely successful, means of getting sound working. Pulseaudio would be exhibit A in a counterargument to a claim that all the distributions are doing it. I think it is possible for distributions to get Pulseaudio right. Sabayon and Linux Mint seem, in my experience, to be two that have done so. But even so, unless you have a specialized need for Pulseaudio, which apparently may include very high-end audiophile applications, removing it seems generally harmless. High end audiophile applications like having more than one sound source running at a time? -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
Someone someone...@openmailbox.org writes: I'm completely up to date, and I've rebooted several times. Has anyone had any luck with playing sound? Logged in as a second user, that user cannot play sound. This hasn`t been fixed since F17 :( Any idea how to fix that? -- Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
Ian Malone writes: On 20 May 2014 04:50, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: But even so, unless you have a specialized need for Pulseaudio, which apparently may include very high-end audiophile applications, removing it seems generally harmless. High end audiophile applications like having more than one sound source running at a time? I'm sorry. I can't answer this adequately. It's what came up the last time I saw this discussion. Apparently, and I'm clearly not anywhere near enough of an audiophile to understand what they were going on about, pulseaudio does make some sound capabilities that matter a lot to musicians--which I think *did* include mixing--and other people who really care about extremely high fidelity sound. It was, for me, a jaw-dropping conversation that required me to acknowledge that as much as I think I care about high quality sound, I was completely out of my league. I'd point you to the right list if I remembered which it was. And I think it'll be hard to find via Google because usually discussions about pulseaudio and its necessity devolve into flame wars. -- David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you do not understand the attachment. pgpSvqvW2bwh2.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 20 May 2014 16:22, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: Ian Malone writes: On 20 May 2014 04:50, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: But even so, unless you have a specialized need for Pulseaudio, which apparently may include very high-end audiophile applications, removing it seems generally harmless. High end audiophile applications like having more than one sound source running at a time? I'm sorry. I can't answer this adequately. It's what came up the last time I saw this discussion. Apparently, and I'm clearly not anywhere near enough of an audiophile to understand what they were going on about, pulseaudio does make some sound capabilities that matter a lot to musicians--which I think *did* include mixing--and other people who really care about extremely high fidelity sound. It was, for me, a jaw-dropping conversation that required me to acknowledge that as much as I think I care about high quality sound, I was completely out of my league. I'd point you to the right list if I remembered which it was. And I think it'll be hard to find via Google because usually discussions about pulseaudio and its necessity devolve into flame wars. That sounds more like Jack, where latency and multiple stream handling is important. Neither Jack nor PA particularly help with high fidelity sound, good hardware does that. (There is a slight factor in how sample rate and depth conversion is handled.) I was really referring to the fact in 'the bad old days' it was necessary to halt or even shut-down one application that was playing sound before another could. The normal response to this is 'but I only listen to one thing at a time!'. Which is not really true if, for example you want to have skype running but listen to music, or use flash at all. There was a brief attempt to fix this with alsa dmix settings, but it's pretty inflexible. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Someone someone...@openmailbox.org wrote: I'm completely up to date, and I've rebooted several times. Has anyone had any luck with playing sound? From time to time something in /var/lib/alsa gets messed up on my machines. Invoking 'alsactl init' as root immediately sets it straight. (Usually only after I've already tried to play something and turned up my speakers real loud, blasting me out of my seat. :-) -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 05/21/2014 07:43 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Someone someone...@openmailbox.org wrote: I'm completely up to date, and I've rebooted several times. Has anyone had any luck with playing sound? From time to time something in /var/lib/alsa gets messed up on my machines. Invoking 'alsactl init' as root immediately sets it straight. (Usually only after I've already tried to play something and turned up my speakers real loud, blasting me out of my seat. :-) -T.C. I seem to have no problems with sound on Fedora 20 roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 05/20/2014 10:47 AM, dwoody1 wrote: You might also remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio That package seems to have been removed automatically, as a dependency of pulseaudio. After having done that, I discovered that sound will actually play from the headphone jack, but it still won't play from the speakers. Anyone have more ideas on resolving that? Thanks again -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 05/21/2014 05:43 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: From time to time something in /var/lib/alsa gets messed up on my machines. Invoking 'alsactl init' as root immediately sets it straight. (Usually only after I've already tried to play something and turned up my speakers real loud, blasting me out of my seat. :-) Hooray!! T.C.'s my hero! :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
I'm completely up to date, and I've rebooted several times. Has anyone had any luck with playing sound? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 05/19/14 16:36, Someone wrote: I'm completely up to date, and I've rebooted several times. Has anyone had any luck with playing sound? [egreshko@meimei azureus]$ uname -r 3.14.4-200.fc20.x86_64 All up to date Running KDE Never had a problem with sound... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio -- Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong. -- Dandemis -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 05/19/2014 03:36 AM, Someone wrote: I'm completely up to date, and I've rebooted several times. Has anyone had any luck with playing sound? Thanks I have not had sound working since the original kernel for F20 (3.11.x). What motherboard do you have? Maybe it is specific board that has a problem. Look at the thread for: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20 to see what others have said. The 3.14.x kernel has no sound either. I have other motherboards that do not have a problem with sound. David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
No problems here with sound either: kernel-3.14.4-200.fc20.x86_64, I had sound problems on another PC with f20, but there it was the first installation, and I did not use it again sofar. suomi On 2014-05-19 15:40, dwoody1 wrote: On 05/19/2014 03:36 AM, Someone wrote: I'm completely up to date, and I've rebooted several times. Has anyone had any luck with playing sound? Thanks I have not had sound working since the original kernel for F20 (3.11.x). What motherboard do you have? Maybe it is specific board that has a problem. Look at the thread for: Sound not working on 3.12.x and 3.13.x kernels for Fedora 20 to see what others have said. The 3.14.x kernel has no sound either. I have other motherboards that do not have a problem with sound. David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On May 19, 2014 2:06 PM, Someone someone...@openmailbox.org wrote: I'm completely up to date, and I've rebooted several times. Has anyone had any luck with playing sound? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org I have no problem what so ever running Fedora 20 KDE on Thinkpad T420i. Your problem must be hardware specific. Do you see anything strange in dmseg. What was the last known kernel on which sound worked? If you think it is kernel related then you should do a kennel bisect. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
How would I go about finding my model of motherboard? For me, sound worked fine when I first installed a few months back, then it didn't work, then it worked after installing some updates, and then broke again a few days ago after installing some other updates. I saw some chatter on the mailing list about sound at around the same time I noticed mine break, so I assumed it was something that everyone else was experiencing too, but in any case, I'm running the LXDE spin, FWIW. Anyway it sure would be cool to have sound back. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On Tue, 20 May 2014 00:04:46 +0800 Someone wrote: How would I go about finding my model of motherboard? /sbin/dmidecode is your friend (run it as root). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 19/05/14 18:04, Someone wrote: How would I go about finding my model of motherboard? For me, sound worked fine when I first installed a few months back, then it didn't work, then it worked after installing some updates, and then broke again a few days ago after installing some other updates. I saw some chatter on the mailing list about sound at around the same time I noticed mine break, so I assumed it was something that everyone else was experiencing too, but in any case, I'm running the LXDE spin, FWIW. Anyway it sure would be cool to have sound back. I had problems with pulseaudio, removed it and used alsa instead. Have had sound ever since. -- Erik -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 05/19/2014 10:07 AM, Erik P. Olsen issued this missive: On 19/05/14 18:04, Someone wrote: How would I go about finding my model of motherboard? Try running dmidecode | more as root. The first few screens should show what motherboard you're running. Some examples: Handle 0x0200, DMI type 2, 8 bytes Base Board Information Manufacturer: Dell Inc. Product Name: 0TP412 Version: Serial Number: ..CN708217C420Y3. Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes Base Board Information Manufacturer: MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO.,LTD Product Name: 785GTM-E45 (MS-7549) Version: 1.0 Serial Number: To be filled by O.E.M. Asset Tag: To Be Filled By O.E.M. Features: Board is a hosting board Board is replaceable Location In Chassis: To Be Filled By O.E.M. Chassis Handle: 0x0003 Type: Motherboard Contained Object Handles: 0 -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Fear is finding a .vbs script in your Inbox- -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
So what steps could one take to try removing pulseaudio? Just sudo yum remove pulseaudio? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 20/05/14 03:03, Someone wrote: So what steps could one take to try removing pulseaudio? Just sudo yum remove pulseaudio? Thanks Looking back through my logwatch that seems to be what I did. -- Erik -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On 05/19/2014 08:03 PM, Someone wrote: So what steps could one take to try removing pulseaudio? Just sudo yum remove pulseaudio? Thanks Your syntax is correct. You might also remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
Erik P. Olsen writes: On 20/05/14 03:03, Someone wrote: So what steps could one take to try removing pulseaudio? Just sudo yum remove pulseaudio? Thanks Looking back through my logwatch that seems to be what I did. In a number of distributions over a period spanning many years, removing pulseaudio has been a first, and all too often entirely successful, means of getting sound working. Pulseaudio would be exhibit A in a counterargument to a claim that all the distributions are doing it. I think it is possible for distributions to get Pulseaudio right. Sabayon and Linux Mint seem, in my experience, to be two that have done so. But even so, unless you have a specialized need for Pulseaudio, which apparently may include very high-end audiophile applications, removing it seems generally harmless. -- David Benfell See https://parts-unknown.org/node/2 if you do not understand the attachment. pgpKvjjYVUf7h.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So has anyone gotten their sound to work since it broke a few days ago?
On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:50:02 -0700 David Benfell wrote: In a number of distributions over a period spanning many years, removing pulseaudio has been a first, and all too often entirely successful, means of getting sound working. My most fun with pulse was a few months ago when sound suddenly stopped working on a random subset of applications. I eventually discovered that for (as yet undetermined reasons) pulse had decided to send the sound from some apps to different sound devices than the default (hdmi) I had set. My motherboard looks to the OS like it has two sound cards. After setting the profile for the 2nd card to none pulse finally started sending everything to the hdmi port again. I don't know if some lunatic decided to implement load balancing among multiple sound cards or it was just a wild bug of some kind that came in some update, but it was very mysterious for a while. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
