Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus]

Well I hate to work with offimatic suites in general. Is difficult to get
the best performance if you are not able to use correctly the revision
tools, and sometimes the different versions or different suites make this
impossible.

We use to work with FOSS software in linux, is part of the philosophy, but
you must to know that there are options you can find, that fix specific
problems, like yours, but they are not necessary FOSS either free. One of
the best in your case would be Crossover: http://www.codeweavers
.com/products/

Perhaps this could be the solution you need.

Good luck
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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Mark LaPierre]

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On 09/06/2013 08:27 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Andrew Haley  > wrote:
> 
> On 09/06/2013 01:09 PM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
>> I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with
> colleagues who
>> use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while
> each party
>> edits them.
>> 
>> It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from
> perfect.
>> But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing and
> exporting
>> as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes persistently
> when I
>> want to open a document, or in other cases indentation changes
>> to
> absurd
>> ways, and math formulas get corrupted and in one case simply
>> vanish.
> 
> Can you tell me which version this is?
> 
> 
> Version: 4.1.1.2 Build ID: 4.1.1.2-2.fc19
> 
> Best, Oliver
> 
> -- Oliver Ruebenacker IT Project Lead at PanGenX
> (http://www.pangenx.com) Be always grateful, but never satisfied.
> 
> 
Just a suggestion.

I've noticed that Version 4 of LO has problems with files generated
with LO 3.  Maybe if you try LO 3, you can get the earlier version off
the LO web site, it might handle the .docx files better than version 4.

I installed LO 4 on my wife's computer and tried to open a spread
sheet file that was generated with LO 3.  Some of the formulas were
scrambled.  I then installed LO 3 on her computer and the spreadsheets
opened just fine.


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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Joe Zeff]

On 09/06/2013 07:57 AM, Fernando Lozano wrote:

The solution: they forwarded the file to me -- the only one using
OpenOffice, by the way under Fedora --- and I could read the file
without garbage, or with little garbage and little formatting
disruption. I fixed a few lines (if needed) and saved the file again as
doc or docx so the rest of the team could continue. :-)


Well, sure.  That works, as long as you're willing to do everybody 
else's dirty work.  Did you even try to get your friends to convert to 
OO, or did you just suck it up and let them take advantage of your good 
nature?

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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Fernando Lozano]

Hi,
 That is usually solved in all versions prior to office 2007 by 
installing the office 2007 compatibility pack. I even tried it in 
office 2000 and it read docx perfectly, but who knows...
A few years ago I worked as editor-at-large for a computer magazine. 
Authors, editors and revisors worked from different locations, sharing 
files by e-mail. It was not unusual the same content going through 
changes by six or more different pepole.


From time to time, word doc and docx files become garbled, after a few 
interations were different people changed the text using different ms 
office versions. Nobody could continue to work without signifficant 
effort retyíng and reformatting content from previous interactions. :-(


The solution: they forwarded the file to me -- the only one using 
OpenOffice, by the way under Fedora --- and I could read the file 
without garbage, or with little garbage and little formatting 
disruption. I fixed a few lines (if needed) and saved the file again as 
doc or docx so the rest of the team could continue. :-)



[]s, Fernando Lozano

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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Fernando Lozano]

Hi,


The solution: they forwarded the file to me -- the only one using
OpenOffice, by the way under Fedora --- and I could read the file
without garbage, or with little garbage and little formatting
disruption. I fixed a few lines (if needed) and saved the file again as
doc or docx so the rest of the team could continue. :-)


Well, sure.  That works, as long as you're willing to do everybody 
else's dirty work.  Did you even try to get your friends to convert to 
OO, or did you just suck it up and let them take advantage of your 
good nature?


In case you didn't noticed: this was an example of how sometines 
LibreOffice is more compatible with MS Word files than Word itself. :-)


Of course I tried to convince them to switch. Some of them had 
company-owned notebooks and were'nt allowed to install software. Others 
simply didn't care.  Hey, if "works better" resulted in "more people 
using" there would't be so many MS Windows users ou there. ;-) I can 
advocate free software and I do, but I can't force anyone to change, but 
I have to live with them to earn my money.


On the other side, I already provided training for some companies which 
did the full switch: only open office (before there was libre office).



[]s, Fernando Lozano

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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Heinz Diehl]

On 06.09.2013, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: 

> It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from perfect.
> But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing and exporting
> as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes persistently when I
> want to open a document, or in other cases indentation changes to absurd
> ways, and math formulas get corrupted and in one case simply vanish.

The only thing that is fully compatible with MS Office/Word is MS
Office/Word. I've been using Openoffice/Libreoffice a long time and
also during my mastergrade studies, and it worked for me. When I had
to share documents with Office users, I did it by making .pdf files
out of my documents. Impress-presentations are not fully MS-compatible
either, and I've been using Libreoffice Portable without any problems
both on small and big conferences.

Odt-files can be read by Word, but as mentioned, there's no 100%
compatibility. You have to find your way to live with it or stick to
MS Office.

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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[M. Fioretti]

On Fri, September 6, 2013 2:09 pm, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
>  Hello,
>
>   I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues who
> use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while each party
> edits them.
>
>   It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from
> perfect.

Oliver,
there's nothing better than LibreOffice/OpenOffice to deal with MS Office
formats. And it's almost sure that, whatever your current problem is, it
has nothing Fedora-specific.

Therefore, the best place to ask is on the LibreOffice and/or OpenOffice
mailing list directly, specifying which version of LO you were using, on
which version of Fedora, and possibly sending a test document with the
problem you experienced at the address they'll tell you.

This should help you much better and faster than asking here, I think.

HTH,
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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Doug]

On 09/06/2013 08:13 AM, csaba.czuc...@foxconn.com wrote:
> Dear Oliver,
> 
> You can try OpenOffice from www.openoffice.org
> It's pretty good for me :).
> 
> with kind regards
> 
> Csaba
> 
> 
> On 06/09/13 14:09, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
>>
>>  Hello,
>>
>>   I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues
>> who use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while
>> each party edits them.
>>
>>   It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from
>> perfect. But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing
>> and exporting as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes
>> persistently when I want to open a document, or in other cases
>> indentation changes to absurd ways, and math formulas get corrupted
>> and in one case simply vanish.
>>
>>   Is there a better alternative? Or a better way to use LibreOffice to
>> share with MS Office?
>>
>>   This is a potentially fatal problem.
>>
>>   Thanks!
>>
>>  Best,
>>  Oliver
>>
>> -- 
>> Oliver Ruebenacker
>> IT Project Lead at PanGenX (http://www.pangenx.com)
>> Be always grateful, but never satisfied.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
Take a look at Softmaker Office. Their word processor is called
Textmaker. There is a free version as well as a paid version.
It seems to handle .doc and .docx files well, altho I haven't
seen any with fancy formatting. (I have the paid version.)
Download the freebie at:

http://www.freeoffice.com/

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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Ian Chapman]

On 06/09/13 20:09, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:


   Is there a better alternative? Or a better way to use LibreOffice to
share with MS Office?


If you're willing to pay for software, then SoftMaker Office for Linux 
is supposed have excellent Microsoft Office support. The demo I tried a 
year or so back worked flawlessly with the word docs I threw at it. 
Price is about $80 and there's a 30 day trial version.


http://www.softmaker.com/english/ofltm_en.htm



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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 06 September 2013, Tom Horsley sent:
> Well, judging from the office docs we get at work, MS Office
> isn't compatible with MS Office. No one ever gets updates
> and whatever version of office they happen to have hangs around
> for years, and no two versions seem to produce docs that
> actually look the same or sometimes they can't read them
> at all. 

That's not at all surprising (other than experiencing a complete failure
to read, rather than just a bad representation).  Word document files
were never really meant for exchanging.  They're a record of what you've
created, that you can recall and reprint or modify.  The documents you
write are dependent on the fonts you have, the printer used to print the
document (it dictates absolute printing margins, at the very least), the
versions of software you have, and possibly other local files (such as
graphics that weren't embedded).

Files meant for exchange should use formats meant for it.  Such as PDF,
for files that are going to be created once, and read elsewhere.

Files meant for collaboration need to be suitable formats for that, and
the software as well.  Don't really expect Microsoft formats to be
widely compatible, they've an utter contempt for adhering to standards,
even their own ones.  And DocX seems to be far worse at compatibility
than older Word formats.

As far as the original poster is concerned, they may well have little
choice but to use the exact same software as the rest of their
collaborators (the same program, the *same* *version* of the program).
That is the business model that Microsoft tries to push, forcing
everyone to use their software, on purpose, not just coincidentally, and
forcing continually updates (at the user's cost).

Or, convincing other collaborators to not use DocX.  You probably won't
be the only one having trouble with it, it's a pain for Windows users,
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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Michael D. Setzer II]

On 6 Sep 2013 at 8:09, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:

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> 
> 
>  Hello,
> 
>   I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues
> who use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while
> each party edits them.
> 
>   It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from
> perfect. But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing
> and exporting as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes
> persistently when I want to open a document, or in other cases
> indentation changes to absurd ways, and math formulas get corrupted
> and in one case simply vanish.
> 
>   Is there a better alternative? Or a better way to use LibreOffice
> to share with MS Office?
> 
>   This is a potentially fatal problem.

Question one might ask? Why not have everyone switch to using 
LibreOffice and share documents in ODT format? Everyone could 
have the same version of the program legally. 

Does everyone else have legal copies of the same MS Office and 
fonts?




> 
>   Thanks!
> 
>  Best,
>  Oliver
> 
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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[linuxnutster]

On 09/06/2013 08:29 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 08:09:57 -0400
Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:


I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues who
use MS Office.


Well, judging from the office docs we get at work, MS Office
isn't compatible with MS Office. No one ever gets updates
and whatever version of office they happen to have hangs around
for years, and no two versions seem to produce docs that
actually look the same or sometimes they can't read them
at all.

 That is usually solved in all versions prior to office 2007 by 
installing the office 2007 compatibility pack. I even tried it in office 
2000 and it read docx perfectly, but who knows...

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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 08:09:57 -0400 Oliver Ruebenacker 
wrote:

>  Hello,
> 
>   I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues who
> use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while each party
> edits them.
> 
>   It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from perfect.
> But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing and exporting
> as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes persistently when I
> want to open a document, or in other cases indentation changes to absurd
> ways, and math formulas get corrupted and in one case simply vanish.

Interesting, but can you post a document so that we can check? I used
to use abiword, but that is useless with docx so I switched to LO with
not much discomfort. I am using 4.1.1.2-2 in F19.

Of course, I use LaTeX for most of my mathematical and scientific
things, so I may not have occasion to come across your issue.

>   Is there a better alternative? Or a better way to use LibreOffice to
> share with MS Office?
> 
>   This is a potentially fatal problem.
> 
>   Thanks!
> 
>  Best,
>  Oliver

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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 08:09:57 -0400
Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:

> I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues who
> use MS Office.

Well, judging from the office docs we get at work, MS Office
isn't compatible with MS Office. No one ever gets updates
and whatever version of office they happen to have hangs around
for years, and no two versions seem to produce docs that
actually look the same or sometimes they can't read them
at all.
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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Oliver Ruebenacker]

 Hello,


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Andrew Haley  wrote:

> On 09/06/2013 01:09 PM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
> >   I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues who
> > use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while each party
> > edits them.
> >
> >   It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from
> perfect.
> > But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing and exporting
> > as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes persistently when I
> > want to open a document, or in other cases indentation changes to absurd
> > ways, and math formulas get corrupted and in one case simply vanish.
>
> Can you tell me which version this is?
>

Version: 4.1.1.2
Build ID: 4.1.1.2-2.fc19

 Best,
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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Andrew Haley]

On 09/06/2013 01:09 PM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
>   I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues who
> use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while each party
> edits them.
> 
>   It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from perfect.
> But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing and exporting
> as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes persistently when I
> want to open a document, or in other cases indentation changes to absurd
> ways, and math formulas get corrupted and in one case simply vanish.

Can you tell me which version this is?

Andrew.

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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[linuxnutster]

On 09/06/2013 08:09 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:


  Hello,

   I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues
who use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while each
party edits them.

   It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from
perfect. But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing and
exporting as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes
persistently when I want to open a document, or in other cases
indentation changes to absurd ways, and math formulas get corrupted and
in one case simply vanish.

   Is there a better alternative? Or a better way to use LibreOffice to
share with MS Office?

   This is a potentially fatal problem.

   Thanks!

  Best,
  Oliver

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Just a thought. I haven't used it much, but have you tried google docs?
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Re: Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[csaba . czuczor]

Dear Oliver,

You can try OpenOffice from www.openoffice.org
It's pretty good for me :).

with kind regards

Csaba


On 06/09/13 14:09, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:


 Hello,

  I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues 
who use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while 
each party edits them.


  It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from 
perfect. But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing 
and exporting as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes 
persistently when I want to open a document, or in other cases 
indentation changes to absurd ways, and math formulas get corrupted 
and in one case simply vanish.


  Is there a better alternative? Or a better way to use LibreOffice to 
share with MS Office?


  This is a potentially fatal problem.

  Thanks!

 Best,
 Oliver

--
Oliver Ruebenacker
IT Project Lead at PanGenX (http://www.pangenx.com)
Be always grateful, but never satisfied.




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Something compatible to MS Office on Fedora?

[Oliver Ruebenacker]

 Hello,

  I need to be able to collaborate writing documents with colleagues who
use MS Office. That is, we send documents back and forth while each party
edits them.

  It used to be that LibreOffice was acceptable, although way from perfect.
But recently, it is causing severe headaches. I'm importing and exporting
as DOCX in Writer, and I get cases where it crashes persistently when I
want to open a document, or in other cases indentation changes to absurd
ways, and math formulas get corrupted and in one case simply vanish.

  Is there a better alternative? Or a better way to use LibreOffice to
share with MS Office?

  This is a potentially fatal problem.

  Thanks!

 Best,
 Oliver

-- 
Oliver Ruebenacker
IT Project Lead at PanGenX (http://www.pangenx.com)
Be always grateful, but never satisfied.
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