Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 16:19 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 2/8/21 4:16 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 09/02/2021 08:08, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > I was reporting a bug over there. I was only > > > giving a tip over here. > > > > > > "Two programs that will over write your links with > > > the actual file" is as clear as it gets! > > > > Well, then why did poc write: > > > > "By links do you mean URLs, hard links, symlinks, something else? By > > "over write" do you mean replace? What is the context of this?" > > > > Tips are only useful if fully explained. Being vague isn't an attribute. > > I am surprised he did not pick it up from context. Because the context was insufficient. When posting about an issue (or giving a tip) it's important to put yourself in the position of someone who isn't immersed in your specific problem. > And using 1000 words where 2 will do is also not > an attribute. And now several hundred words have been used to clear up the confusion when a bit more clarity from the start would have been enough. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 09/02/2021 08:24, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2/8/21 4:01 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: 2) create a link in another directory to the original document Seems they understood me over there without need to state "symbolic" before the link. H Ah, huh. You take one line and remove all context. To explain that you've been "understood" Never mind. I'll go back to my standard practice. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2/8/21 4:01 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: 2) create a link in another directory to the original document Seems they understood me over there without need to state "symbolic" before the link. H ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2/8/21 4:16 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/02/2021 08:08, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: I was reporting a bug over there. I was only giving a tip over here. "Two programs that will over write your links with the actual file" is as clear as it gets! Well, then why did poc write: "By links do you mean URLs, hard links, symlinks, something else? By "over write" do you mean replace? What is the context of this?" Tips are only useful if fully explained. Being vague isn't an attribute. I am surprised he did not pick it up from context. And using 1000 words where 2 will do is also not an attribute. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 09/02/2021 08:08, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: I was reporting a bug over there. I was only giving a tip over here. "Two programs that will over write your links with the actual file" is as clear as it gets! Well, then why did poc write: "By links do you mean URLs, hard links, symlinks, something else? By "over write" do you mean replace? What is the context of this?" Tips are only useful if fully explained. Being vague isn't an attribute. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2/8/21 4:01 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/02/2021 07:57, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2/8/21 3:41 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/02/2021 06:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: You seriously think I was asking for help? I was posting a tip to help others. You can only help others if you demonstrate clearly the issue you are trying to convey. That, you didn't do. I do not know how much more clearly I could have stated it. You somehow managed to do it in your bug report to Softmaker. You somehow managed to state 1) create a document and save to drive. Exit Soft Maker 2) create a link in another directory to the original document 3) open the link from a file manager 4) save the file and exit Soft Maker The link will be destroyed and replaced with the document. Now you have two documents floating around with the same name That is known as clarity. Ed, I was reporting a bug over there. I was only giving a tip over here. "Two programs that will over write your links with the actual file" is as clear as it gets! -T ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 09/02/2021 07:57, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2/8/21 3:41 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/02/2021 06:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: You seriously think I was asking for help? I was posting a tip to help others. You can only help others if you demonstrate clearly the issue you are trying to convey. That, you didn't do. I do not know how much more clearly I could have stated it. You somehow managed to do it in your bug report to Softmaker. You somehow managed to state 1) create a document and save to drive. Exit Soft Maker 2) create a link in another directory to the original document 3) open the link from a file manager 4) save the file and exit Soft Maker The link will be destroyed and replaced with the document. Now you have two documents floating around with the same name That is known as clarity. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2/8/21 3:41 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/02/2021 06:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: You seriously think I was asking for help? I was posting a tip to help others. You can only help others if you demonstrate clearly the issue you are trying to convey. That, you didn't do. I do not know how much more clearly I could have stated it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 09/02/2021 06:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: You seriously think I was asking for help? I was posting a tip to help others. You can only help others if you demonstrate clearly the issue you are trying to convey. That, you didn't do. And, still, this has nothing to do with *Fedora* and *Fedora* supplied packages. I suppose that means I should go through all the non-Fedora SW I've collected over the years, found issues with, and start posting all about them to this list to "help" everyone. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2/8/21 3:10 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I still have no idea what was wrong and what they fixed. If you open a wine program and read in a data file that was a symbolic link, then saved your work back, it would over write the link with the actual file and leave the original file alone. Now it follows the link when saving back as it should have done all along. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 10:30 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 2/8/21 2:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 00:27 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Two programs that will over write your links with > > > the actual file: > > > > > > softmaker-freeoffice-2018-2018-982.x86_64 > > > Anything running under wine > > > > By links do you mean URLs, hard links, symlinks, something else? By > > "over write" do you mean replace? What is the context of this? > > > > poc > > "ln -s xxx yyy" > > I just tested Wine Staging and they fixed it. Yipee!! > > wine-staging64-6.1-1.1.x86_64 > > And I just got word back that Softmaker 2021 (the paid > version) also overwrites links. > > Win one, lose one. I still have no idea what was wrong and what they fixed. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2/8/21 1:57 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/02/2021 04:46, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: 1) who ONLY uses packages from the Fedora repo? Some, many. Lets see: $ ls /etc/yum.repos.d | grep -v fedora brave-browser-rpm-release.s3.brave.com_x86_64_.repo home:hawkeye116477:waterfox.repo metasploit-framework.repo rpmfusion-free.repo rpmfusion-free-updates.repo rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo virtio-win.repo vivaldi.repo winehq.repo Let's see, that would be Brave Browser Waterfox Classic Metasploit VLC and others qemu-KVM Vivaldi Wine (sometimes for trouble shooting) SoftMaker, LibreOffice (LO), Master PDF Editor do not have a repos (yet). I use LO's RPM as I have to support Windows as well and I need to run the same version they do. The ONLY non-rpm program I run is PDF Studio. I am currently listening to Classic FM on VLC care of RPM Fusion. But, if I have issues with non-fedora packages I take it to the community that supports those packages. You seriously think I was asking for help? I was posting a tip to help others. And, if someone asks about a non-fedora package I may try to find the answer for them. I don't assume that a large number of people who may use a non-fedora package will be interested in those package issues and pollute the fedora list with musings on what is wrong with them. Can you just imagine for a moment if more people did that? And still the "examples" you give are useless. What examples did I give? I only reported the programs with the issue. This was meant to help others, not a plea for help. Believe me, if I need help, I am VERY direct about it I know how to make symbolic links. Many people do. You didn't give *any* examples of what "wine" commands Hmm, what part of Wine fixed it did you miss? to use or what softmaker commands to use to "overwrite" created links. If you really, really want to try it our yourself, here is a how to reproduce: https://forum.softmaker.com/viewtopic.php?f=307=20923 You have to install SoftMaker Free first: https://shop.softmaker.com/repo/rpm/x86_64/RPMS/ And again, I am, not asking for help with this issue. Although, if you do install SoftMaker Free (or paid) I would love to hear your evaluation of Soft Maker Office. It is a lot more like M$ Office for those that can't learn anything new. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2/8/21 1:34 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 2021-02-08 at 12:46:48 ToddAndMargo via users wrote: 1) who ONLY uses packages from the Fedora repo? 2) man ln -s, --symbolic make symbolic links instead of hard links $ touch xxx $ ln -s xxx yyy $ ls -al yyy lrwxrwxrwx. 1 todd users 3 Feb 8 12:20 yyy -> xxx 3) Wine use to overwrite but is now fixed. When I originally reported it, they told me there was nothing they could do about it. Softmaker 2021 and 2018 are now the only two I am having issues with. How is this an issue with Fedora? If you mean the Fedora Operating system, it is not. It is an issue with programs running on Fedora. This forum is not restricted to ONLY problems with the operating system. This is why I posted the tip ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 09/02/2021 04:46, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: 1) who ONLY uses packages from the Fedora repo? Some, many. But, if I have issues with non-fedora packages I take it to the community that supports those packages. And, if someone asks about a non-fedora package I may try to find the answer for them. I don't assume that a large number of people who may use a non-fedora package will be interested in those package issues and pollute the fedora list with musings on what is wrong with them. Can you just imagine for a moment if more people did that? And still the "examples" you give are useless. I know how to make symbolic links. Many people do. You didn't give *any* examples of what "wine" commands to use or what softmaker commands to use to "overwrite" created links. -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2021-02-08 at 12:46:48 ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > 1) who ONLY uses packages from the Fedora repo? > > 2) man ln > -s, --symbolic > make symbolic links instead of hard links > > $ touch xxx > $ ln -s xxx yyy > $ ls -al yyy > lrwxrwxrwx. 1 todd users 3 Feb 8 12:20 yyy -> xxx > > 3) Wine use to overwrite but is now fixed. When I > originally reported it, they told me there was nothing > they could do about it. > > Softmaker 2021 and 2018 are now the only two I am > having issues with. How is this an issue with Fedora? -- Erik P. Olsen - Copenhagen, Denmark Fedora 33/64 bit xfce Claws-Mail POP3 Gramps 5.1.2 Bacula 9.6.5 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2/8/21 11:01 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/02/2021 02:30, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2/8/21 2:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 00:27 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, Two programs that will over write your links with the actual file: softmaker-freeoffice-2018-2018-982.x86_64 Anything running under wine By links do you mean URLs, hard links, symlinks, something else? By "over write" do you mean replace? What is the context of this? poc "ln -s xxx yyy" I just tested Wine Staging and they fixed it. Yipee!! wine-staging64-6.1-1.1.x86_64 And I just got word back that Softmaker 2021 (the paid version) also overwrites links. Win one, lose one. Neither of the packages you cite are Fedora supplied packages. I also seems as if, since you have a very generic ln example, that these foreign packagers overwrite *all* symbolic links no matter where they exist. Besides, your ln example without any context gives this as the result [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ln -s xxx yyy [egreshko@meimei ~]$ file yyy yyy: broken symbolic link to xxx 1) who ONLY uses packages from the Fedora repo? 2) man ln -s, --symbolic make symbolic links instead of hard links $ touch xxx $ ln -s xxx yyy $ ls -al yyy lrwxrwxrwx. 1 todd users 3 Feb 8 12:20 yyy -> xxx 3) Wine use to overwrite but is now fixed. When I originally reported it, they told me there was nothing they could do about it. Softmaker 2021 and 2018 are now the only two I am having issues with. I use both SoftMaker Free and LibreOffice do to all the endless, mind numbing, bugs and awkwardness in/of LibreOffice. SoftMaker seems to have some bugs too. And they do not support saving back to ods or opening encrypted odt. I have not test envelopes in SoftMaker yet (LO falls on its a-- with envelopes). And I will go back and forth from SoftMaker and LO when I need to change page orentation back from Landscape to Portrait. LO won't fix user reported bugs unless you pay them, which is the open source model and beyond the capability of most except the most well funded companies. M$ Office is "rumored" to run in Wine, but that will be a cold day ... Word Pro does run in wine pretty nicely and is more powerful than LO. Does wonderful envelopes too and has division tabs. Plus it is intuitive. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 09/02/2021 02:30, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 2/8/21 2:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 00:27 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, Two programs that will over write your links with the actual file: softmaker-freeoffice-2018-2018-982.x86_64 Anything running under wine By links do you mean URLs, hard links, symlinks, something else? By "over write" do you mean replace? What is the context of this? poc "ln -s xxx yyy" I just tested Wine Staging and they fixed it. Yipee!! wine-staging64-6.1-1.1.x86_64 And I just got word back that Softmaker 2021 (the paid version) also overwrites links. Win one, lose one. Neither of the packages you cite are Fedora supplied packages. I also seems as if, since you have a very generic ln example, that these foreign packagers overwrite *all* symbolic links no matter where they exist. Besides, your ln example without any context gives this as the result [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ln -s xxx yyy [egreshko@meimei ~]$ file yyy yyy: broken symbolic link to xxx -- The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On 2/8/21 2:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 00:27 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, Two programs that will over write your links with the actual file: softmaker-freeoffice-2018-2018-982.x86_64 Anything running under wine By links do you mean URLs, hard links, symlinks, something else? By "over write" do you mean replace? What is the context of this? poc "ln -s xxx yyy" I just tested Wine Staging and they fixed it. Yipee!! wine-staging64-6.1-1.1.x86_64 And I just got word back that Softmaker 2021 (the paid version) also overwrites links. Win one, lose one. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Tip: programs that over write links
On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 00:27 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > Hi All, > > Two programs that will over write your links with > the actual file: > > softmaker-freeoffice-2018-2018-982.x86_64 > Anything running under wine By links do you mean URLs, hard links, symlinks, something else? By "over write" do you mean replace? What is the context of this? poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Tip: programs that over write links
Hi All, Two programs that will over write your links with the actual file: softmaker-freeoffice-2018-2018-982.x86_64 Anything running under wine -T ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
