Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
Tim: If you really do want slow media, such as you're burning discs for a mastering plant to replicate, then buy media that's made for it. JD: Right. Easier said than found in neighbourhood stores :) :) Depends on the store. Some do sell those more costly made for audio blank CDs. They're usually sold in small amounts, rather than in bulk, too. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
JD wrote: On 08/26/2012 11:35 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote DVD burn speed is not the same as CD burn speed. This is why you have both CD and DVD speed specs on drives. When it comes to CDs, there are two different blank formats. You have the 1x to 4x and the 4x to ?x. You can not burn the 1-4x at faster then 4x. You can not burn the 4x-4x+ CDs at slower the 4x. This has NOTHING to do with DVD burning speeds. Check your drive CD burning speeds and CD blank speeds. See if they are rated to burn at slower then 4x. If not, then regardless of the software, you are NOT doing to be able to burn CDs slower then 4x. Again, this is different then DVD burn speeds. You may want to do some research on burning CDs and DVDs so that you understand the difference. You will probably discover that your hardware will not burn CDs at slower then 4x. Mikkel Thanx for the explanation. So, I tried $ wodim -v dev=/dev/sr0 speed=4 image6.iso . . . . Speed set to 1764 KB/s Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real force TAO mode for single session. I interrupted the burn, as it did not obey 4x speed. So, I tried 6X. Script started on Sun 26 Aug 2012 12:53:20 PM MDT $ wodim -v dev=/dev/sr0 speed=6 image3.iso . . . . Speed set to 1764 KB/s Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real TAO mode for single session. When I add driveropts=forcespeed, it still says: . . . Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real TAO mode for single session. I believe that wodim may be the source of the problem. I have cdrecord Fedora i686 RPM packages for F15/F16/F17 at: http://www.hanzlici.cz//fedoralinux/ALL/cdrecord/ or their SRPMS packages at: http://www.hanzlici.cz//fedoralinux/ALL/cdrtools/ You can try it or rebuild own packages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On 08/27/2012 10:20 AM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: JD wrote: On 08/26/2012 11:35 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote DVD burn speed is not the same as CD burn speed. This is why you have both CD and DVD speed specs on drives. When it comes to CDs, there are two different blank formats. You have the 1x to 4x and the 4x to ?x. You can not burn the 1-4x at faster then 4x. You can not burn the 4x-4x+ CDs at slower the 4x. This has NOTHING to do with DVD burning speeds. Check your drive CD burning speeds and CD blank speeds. See if they are rated to burn at slower then 4x. If not, then regardless of the software, you are NOT doing to be able to burn CDs slower then 4x. Again, this is different then DVD burn speeds. You may want to do some research on burning CDs and DVDs so that you understand the difference. You will probably discover that your hardware will not burn CDs at slower then 4x. Mikkel Thanx for the explanation. So, I tried $ wodim -v dev=/dev/sr0 speed=4 image6.iso . . . . Speed set to 1764 KB/s Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real force TAO mode for single session. I interrupted the burn, as it did not obey 4x speed. So, I tried 6X. Script started on Sun 26 Aug 2012 12:53:20 PM MDT $ wodim -v dev=/dev/sr0 speed=6 image3.iso . . . . Speed set to 1764 KB/s Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real TAO mode for single session. When I add driveropts=forcespeed, it still says: . . . Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real TAO mode for single session. I believe that wodim may be the source of the problem. I have cdrecord Fedora i686 RPM packages for F15/F16/F17 at: http://www.hanzlici.cz//fedoralinux/ALL/cdrecord/ or their SRPMS packages at: http://www.hanzlici.cz//fedoralinux/ALL/cdrtools/ You can try it or rebuild own packages. Thanx! I was able to build cdrecord and it also kept insisting on recording at 10X. I suspect it is the Sony CD-R media that may be the culprit as it may be coded to support only 10X. I know that my drive supports multiple speeds = 24X The drive is: ata2.00: ATAPI: Slimtype DVD A DS8A1P, CH71, max MWDMA2 scsi 1:0:0:0: CD-ROMSlimtype DVD A DS8A1PCH71 is: -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On Mon, 2012-08-27 at 12:08 -0600, JD wrote: I suspect it is the Sony CD-R media that may be the culprit as it may be coded to support only 10X. In which case, don't try to circumvent it. Consider that they've listed the speeds that are going to work, on purpose. If you really do want slow media, such as you're burning discs for a mastering plant to replicate, then buy media that's made for it. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On 08/27/2012 07:43 PM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2012-08-27 at 12:08 -0600, JD wrote: I suspect it is the Sony CD-R media that may be the culprit as it may be coded to support only 10X. In which case, don't try to circumvent it. Consider that they've listed the speeds that are going to work, on purpose. If you really do want slow media, such as you're burning discs for a mastering plant to replicate, then buy media that's made for it. Right. Easier said than found in neighbourhood stores :) :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 08/26/2012 12:30 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:06:02 -0600 JD wrote: Here is the output of make and gmake I see that same junk, but the gmake keeps going anyway and builds everything. (At least on my system - I just tried it with a new copy of the cdrtools-beta.tar.gz I downloaded from the Download Latest link which expands to the cdrtools-3.01 directory). I assume it probably winds up with bad dependencies, but that doesn't matter much in a fresh directory with no object files built yet. I'm building 64 bit - don't know if that makes a difference or not. FWIW, both build just fine here on f16 3.4.7-1.fc16.i686 as well as fc17.x86_64 - Could be something wrong with my gcc or gmake env? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 20:49 -0600, JD wrote: using driveropts=forcespeed speed=2 .etc does not work using ... speed=2 . does not work wodim always writes at the medium's encoded speed, which ranges from 10X to 24x. However, using speed=2 on DVD media DOES work. It could actually be the media. They have a set list of speeds that the media is good for, and shouldn't be burnt at other speeds. It's quite likely that some media doesn't support 2x speeds. It could also be the drive. Changing burning speeds requires changing the power of the laser. The drive may not be able to change powers for the speed that you want, or the media mightn't be suitable. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/25/2012 09:49 PM, JD wrote: using driveropts=forcespeed speed=2 .etc does not work using ... speed=2 . does not work wodim always writes at the medium's encoded speed, which ranges from 10X to 24x. However, using speed=2 on DVD media DOES work. Here is the content of /etc/wodim.conf which I gleaned from the web. CDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 CDR_SPEED=2 CDR_FIFOSIZE=128m DVDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 DVDR_SPEED=2 DVDR_FIFOSIZE=128m TS=128 GRACETIME=10 Do you have blank CDs that will burn at 2x? The blank CD media that will burn at 2x is different then the media that will burn at +4X. Also, a lot of newer drives will not burn CDs at slower the 4x. DVD burning is different - a 2x DVD speed is not the same as a 2x CD speed. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlA6UGAACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSgdgCdHOf6lgAmUUamyK+4/vAb1fTp x00An2tc1vas3fwgeurb2y/CXPD3fotd =k+R4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On 08/26/2012 10:35 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/25/2012 09:49 PM, JD wrote: using driveropts=forcespeed speed=2 .etc does not work using ... speed=2 . does not work wodim always writes at the medium's encoded speed, which ranges from 10X to 24x. However, using speed=2 on DVD media DOES work. Here is the content of /etc/wodim.conf which I gleaned from the web. CDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 CDR_SPEED=2 CDR_FIFOSIZE=128m DVDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 DVDR_SPEED=2 DVDR_FIFOSIZE=128m TS=128 GRACETIME=10 Do you have blank CDs that will burn at 2x? The blank CD media that will burn at 2x is different then the media that will burn at +4X. Also, a lot of newer drives will not burn CDs at slower the 4x. DVD burning is different - a 2x DVD speed is not the same as a 2x CD speed. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlA6UGAACgkQqbQrVW3JyMSgdgCdHOf6lgAmUUamyK+4/vAb1fTp x00An2tc1vas3fwgeurb2y/CXPD3fotd =k+R4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- I have tried it on many different blank cd media, old ones and new ones. But how is it that I can burn at 2x on any blank DVD media? I have used many different brands of DVD media over the years and I have always been able to burn them at 2x. So, I don't believe it is the cd media. It could very well be wodim itself. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/26/2012 12:05 PM, JD wrote: On 08/26/2012 10:35 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: On 08/25/2012 09:49 PM, JD wrote: using driveropts=forcespeed speed=2 .etc does not work using ... speed=2 . does not work wodim always writes at the medium's encoded speed, which ranges from 10X to 24x. However, using speed=2 on DVD media DOES work. Here is the content of /etc/wodim.conf which I gleaned from the web. CDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 CDR_SPEED=2 CDR_FIFOSIZE=128m DVDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 DVDR_SPEED=2 DVDR_FIFOSIZE=128m TS=128 GRACETIME=10 Do you have blank CDs that will burn at 2x? The blank CD media that will burn at 2x is different then the media that will burn at +4X. Also, a lot of newer drives will not burn CDs at slower the 4x. DVD burning is different - a 2x DVD speed is not the same as a 2x CD speed. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! I have tried it on many different blank cd media, old ones and new ones. But how is it that I can burn at 2x on any blank DVD media? I have used many different brands of DVD media over the years and I have always been able to burn them at 2x. So, I don't believe it is the cd media. It could very well be wodim itself. DVD burn speed is not the same as CD burn speed. This is why you have both CD and DVD speed specs on drives. When it comes to CDs, there are two different blank formats. You have the 1x to 4x and the 4x to ?x. You can not burn the 1-4x at faster then 4x. You can not burn the 4x-4x+ CDs at slower the 4x. This has NOTHING to do with DVD burning speeds. Check your drive CD burning speeds and CD blank speeds. See if they are rated to burn at slower then 4x. If not, then regardless of the software, you are NOT doing to be able to burn CDs slower then 4x. Again, this is different then DVD burn speeds. You may want to do some research on burning CDs and DVDs so that you understand the difference. You will probably discover that your hardware will not burn CDs at slower then 4x. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlA6Xl8ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQBwQCfaHaaFR6VHs4mWkx2PMRN2sfu X5YAn1o0kp9bWN9TYjteGzPh0MYFPOIR =RALb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On 08/26/2012 11:35 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote DVD burn speed is not the same as CD burn speed. This is why you have both CD and DVD speed specs on drives. When it comes to CDs, there are two different blank formats. You have the 1x to 4x and the 4x to ?x. You can not burn the 1-4x at faster then 4x. You can not burn the 4x-4x+ CDs at slower the 4x. This has NOTHING to do with DVD burning speeds. Check your drive CD burning speeds and CD blank speeds. See if they are rated to burn at slower then 4x. If not, then regardless of the software, you are NOT doing to be able to burn CDs slower then 4x. Again, this is different then DVD burn speeds. You may want to do some research on burning CDs and DVDs so that you understand the difference. You will probably discover that your hardware will not burn CDs at slower then 4x. Mikkel Thanx for the explanation. So, I tried $ wodim -v dev=/dev/sr0 speed=4 image6.iso . . . . Speed set to 1764 KB/s Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real force TAO mode for single session. I interrupted the burn, as it did not obey 4x speed. So, I tried 6X. Script started on Sun 26 Aug 2012 12:53:20 PM MDT $ wodim -v dev=/dev/sr0 speed=6 image3.iso . . . . Speed set to 1764 KB/s Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real TAO mode for single session. When I add driveropts=forcespeed, it still says: . . . Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 10.0 in real TAO mode for single session. I believe that wodim may be the source of the problem. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
using driveropts=forcespeed speed=2 .etc does not work using ... speed=2 . does not work wodim always writes at the medium's encoded speed, which ranges from 10X to 24x. However, using speed=2 on DVD media DOES work. Here is the content of /etc/wodim.conf which I gleaned from the web. CDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 CDR_SPEED=2 CDR_FIFOSIZE=128m DVDR_DEVICE=/dev/sr0 DVDR_SPEED=2 DVDR_FIFOSIZE=128m TS=128 GRACETIME=10 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
wodim is an utter pile of rubbish. Only the true cdrecord actually works well. Download the one true cdrecord from: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html and build it from source. Try to ignore the fact that the author is a supreme ass who rubs everyone the wrong way. Focus on the fact that the cdrecord tool actually works :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On 08/25/2012 08:58 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: wodim is an utter pile of rubbish. Only the true cdrecord actually works well. Download the one true cdrecord from: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html and build it from source. Try to ignore the fact that the author is a supreme ass who rubs everyone the wrong way. Focus on the fact that the cdrecord tool actually works :-). I downloaded 3.0 and the beta which is 3.0.1. For both of them the outputs of make, gmake and smake is the same. Here is the output of make and gmake and smake $ make RULES/rules.top:43: RULES/ldummy.lnk: No such file or directory W A R N I N GMessages like: gmake[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/cdrtools-2.01/libschily' ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/cvmod.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/dat.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fcons.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fdown.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fdup.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/ffileread.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/ffilewrite.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fgetline.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fgetstr.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/file_raise.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fileclose.d: No such file or directory are caused by a GNU make bug and not by the Schily makefile system. The related bug has been reported to the GNU make maintainers in 1998 but as the bug has not yet been fixed, it seems that GNU make is unmaintained :-( A working highly portable make program is at ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/smake You may switch off this warning by calling gmake GMAKE_NOWARN=true ... RULES/rules1.top:261: incs/Dnull: No such file or directory RULES/rules1.top:265: *** multiple target patterns. Stop. $ gmake RULES/rules.top:43: RULES/ldummy.lnk: No such file or directory W A R N I N GMessages like: gmake[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/cdrtools-2.01/libschily' ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/cvmod.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/dat.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fcons.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fdown.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fdup.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/ffileread.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/ffilewrite.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fgetline.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fgetstr.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/file_raise.d: No such file or directory ../RULES/r-gmake.dep:76: OBJ/arch-dir/fileclose.d: No such file or directory are caused by a GNU make bug and not by the Schily makefile system. The related bug has been reported to the GNU make maintainers in 1998 but as the bug has not yet been fixed, it seems that GNU make is unmaintained :-( A working highly portable make program is at ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/smake You may switch off this warning by calling gmake GMAKE_NOWARN=true ... RULES/rules1.top:261: incs/Dnull: No such file or directory RULES/rules1.top:265: *** multiple target patterns. Stop. So I tried smake: smake Use of assignment to $[ is deprecated at /usr/local/bin/smake line 165. /usr/local/bin/smake:Error: Output file Makefile exists and seems to have not been generated by SMake, or has been edited since SMake created it. In either event, it will not be stomped. Resolve this issue first and invoke /usr/local/bin/smake again. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:06:02 -0600 JD wrote: Here is the output of make and gmake I see that same junk, but the gmake keeps going anyway and builds everything. (At least on my system - I just tried it with a new copy of the cdrtools-beta.tar.gz I downloaded from the Download Latest link which expands to the cdrtools-3.01 directory). I assume it probably winds up with bad dependencies, but that doesn't matter much in a fresh directory with no object files built yet. I'm building 64 bit - don't know if that makes a difference or not. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Unable to force wodim to write a CD at 2X speed
On 08/26/2012 12:30 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:06:02 -0600 JD wrote: Here is the output of make and gmake I see that same junk, but the gmake keeps going anyway and builds everything. (At least on my system - I just tried it with a new copy of the cdrtools-beta.tar.gz I downloaded from the Download Latest link which expands to the cdrtools-3.01 directory). I assume it probably winds up with bad dependencies, but that doesn't matter much in a fresh directory with no object files built yet. I'm building 64 bit - don't know if that makes a difference or not. FWIW, both build just fine here on f16 3.4.7-1.fc16.i686 as well as fc17.x86_64 -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rick Cook, The Wizardry Compiled -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org