Re: Wifi systens -

[Tim via users]

On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 14:55 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I notice they also have three transmit power settings, I have not
> tried changing anything there. I make the assumption that the iPhone
> receiver sensitivity with its poor antenna is the limiting factor on
> range. Increasing power will probably just stress components with
> more heat dissipated.

I wouldn't think that the low power levels that WiFi uses were
sufficient for them to be a heating problem.  Naturally how quickly the
battery gets flattened increases, but it shouldn't be a huge
difference.  Especially when you consider that your devices will be
mostly receiving, rather than prolonged transmissions (unless you were
broadcasting video).
 
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Tony Nelson]

On 19-10-18 15:08:28, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 10/18/19 11:55 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/18/19 14:21, Samuel Sieb wrote:


Oh, that's a new feature.  I haven't used the stock firmware for a  
very long time.

.
I was ready to install dd-wrt but found there was nothing compatible  
yet, thought I would order another ASUS and then got the response  
from TP-Link, moved the connection and to my surprise it appeared to  
work, son-in-law said it was good on his iPad too. They mention  
upgraded software for some older models ...  I think they also sell  
an AP?


openwrt has support for that router assuming the one you have is the  
C7 AC1750:

https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c7-1750

I notice they also have three transmit power settings, I have not  
tried changing anything there. I make the assumption that the iPhone  
receiver sensitivity with its poor antenna is the limiting factor on  
range. Increasing power will probably just stress components with  
more heat dissipated.


I don't think the power settings you can adjust will cause any  
hardware issues.  If you're not going to interfere with anyone else,  
then you might as well have it at full power.


Actually, if you have several APs, you may want to set the power low,
so devices switch to a nearer AP sooner.  The device may well use more
power if the AP it is connected to is transmitting more power, and it
also may still not be able to talk to a distant AP that it can receive
from.  So, if more power turns out to be worse, try less.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/18/19 11:55 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/18/19 14:21, Samuel Sieb wrote:


Oh, that's a new feature.  I haven't used the stock firmware for a 
very long time.

.
I was ready to install dd-wrt but found there was nothing compatible 
yet, thought I would order another ASUS and then got the response from 
TP-Link, moved the connection and to my surprise it appeared to work, 
son-in-law said it was good on his iPad too. They mention upgraded 
software for some older models ...  I think they also sell an AP?


openwrt has support for that router assuming the one you have is the C7 
AC1750:

https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c7-1750

I notice they also have three transmit power settings, I have not tried 
changing anything there. I make the assumption that the iPhone receiver 
sensitivity with its poor antenna is the limiting factor on range. 
Increasing power will probably just stress components with more heat 
dissipated.


I don't think the power settings you can adjust will cause any hardware 
issues.  If you're not going to interfere with anyone else, then you 
might as well have it at full power.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/18/19 14:21, Samuel Sieb wrote:


Oh, that's a new feature.  I haven't used the stock firmware for a 
very long time.

.
I was ready to install dd-wrt but found there was nothing compatible 
yet, thought I would order another ASUS and then got the response from 
TP-Link, moved the connection and to my surprise it appeared to work, 
son-in-law said it was good on his iPad too. They mention upgraded 
software for some older models ...  I think they also sell an AP?


I notice they also have three transmit power settings, I have not tried 
changing anything there. I make the assumption that the iPhone receiver 
sensitivity with its poor antenna is the limiting factor on range. 
Increasing power will probably just stress components with more heat 
dissipated.



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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/18/19 10:11 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
The browser configuration page offers two operating modes, I selected 
Access point and it appears that turns off the dhcp server and I am 
assuming makes the WAN input into a LAN input since that s what the 
support guy said to use and it immediately began to work. I could 


Oh, that's a new feature.  I haven't used the stock firmware for a very 
long time.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/18/19 12:52, Samuel Sieb wrote:


Unless the router has an actual AP mode that uses the WAN port, that 
is not likely to be what you want.  Assuming you want seamless 
roaming, unless there is special support in the router, you want to 
plug your network into the LAN port, not the WAN port.  Just make sure 
you have DHCP disabled on the AP. 

.

The browser configuration page offers two operating modes, I selected 
Access point and it appears that turns off the dhcp server and I am 
assuming makes the WAN input into a LAN input since that s what the 
support guy said to use and it immediately began to work. I could 
connect my test iPad to it from up here. As I said I will know more when 
my daughter returns, which should be soon, and I will get her feedback.


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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/18/19 12:40, Tim via users wrote:

On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 11:20 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:

I guess that is logical, the LAN input signal is replacing the WAN
signal from a modem.

With access points, they:

*Can* act as a router, where they're the gateway between two subnets
(WAN on the outside, their own LAN on the inside).

*Can* act as a switch, with everything on the same subnet (one big LAN
altogether).

Some can work both ways (even simultaneously), some cannot.

When they act as a gateway, that can surprise you.  You might want to
work between two PCs on either side of it, and find things are blocked
by its firewall, or that NAT has made things difficult).  It's not
impossible to do, but when it doesn't work as you expected that's
something to consider.
  

.
Well, I  think I will just hope that this stops the complaints from the 
iPhone  users and deal with any odd problems as the become apparent. I 
really thought this would just work, instead Murphy's law proved true 
once more. I will keep your comments in mind ...


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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/18/19 8:20 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
Yes, TP-Link Support seems to be good as claimed. I am not yet done 
testing things but it looks like the Access Point and Ethernet circuit 
may be working as expected, it will take a few  days to know but this 
morning it looks good? It appears the main problem was that the AP wants 
the LAN input signal fed into the WAN port on the A7 AC1759 router and I 
plugged it into one of the four remaining ethernet jacks. Tech support 
responded to my request for AP configuration instructions which I could 
not find, with some easy to understand steps, the key being: "3rd: Once 
it's Done Please connect the cable again from Main Router to Archer A7 
using ( WAN PORT or Blue Port )".


Unless the router has an actual AP mode that uses the WAN port, that is 
not likely to be what you want.  Assuming you want seamless roaming, 
unless there is special support in the router, you want to plug your 
network into the LAN port, not the WAN port.  Just make sure you have 
DHCP disabled on the AP.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Tim via users]

On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 11:20 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I guess that is logical, the LAN input signal is replacing the WAN
> signal from a modem.

With access points, they:

*Can* act as a router, where they're the gateway between two subnets
(WAN on the outside, their own LAN on the inside).

*Can* act as a switch, with everything on the same subnet (one big LAN
altogether).

Some can work both ways (even simultaneously), some cannot.

When they act as a gateway, that can surprise you.  You might want to
work between two PCs on either side of it, and find things are blocked
by its firewall, or that NAT has made things difficult).  It's not
impossible to do, but when it doesn't work as you expected that's
something to consider.
 
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/16/19 06:30, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/15/19 19:48, George N. White III wrote:


You can test the claim: "Industry leading support: 2-year and free 
24/7 technical

support. Contact ussupport@tp-link if you have any questions".

.
Yes, that sounds encouraging. Also I was pleased to see essential 
information printed on the router label and its' wall wart, there is 
hope ...


I think homeplug is designed to recover after power outages. HPAV
added support for streaming (AV), look for hpav-white-paper_050818.pdf.
Can you try running the devices in legacy (HP 1.0) mode?

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.
Yes, TP-Link Support seems to be good as claimed. I am not yet done 
testing things but it looks like the Access Point and Ethernet circuit 
may be working as expected, it will take a few  days to know but this 
morning it looks good? It appears the main problem was that the AP wants 
the LAN input signal fed into the WAN port on the A7 AC1759 router and I 
plugged it into one of the four remaining ethernet jacks. Tech support 
responded to my request for AP configuration instructions which I could 
not find, with some easy to understand steps, the key being: "3rd: Once 
it's Done Please connect the cable again from Main Router to Archer A7 
using ( WAN PORT or Blue Port )".


And I guess that is logical, the LAN input signal is replacing the WAN 
signal from a modem. I guess what operation I did have, which was not 
working reliably, depended on a received radio signal, that in the weak 
signal area I am trying to improve with this exercise! The iPhone/iPad, 
whatever users are all out of the house presently so I will not have a 
good test until later.


I've already lost user confidence in my ability to do a simple task so I 
hope I can pull out of this with a working system,


Bob



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Re: Wifi systens -

[Tim via users]

On Tue, 2019-10-15 at 20:48 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> I think homeplug is designed to recover after power outages.

You'd hope so.  As far as I'm concerned, any home appliance that needs
a UPS is badly engineered.

Devices should have enough internal power supply filtering that the
reguluarly occuring mains glitches are filtered out (and there are a
lot of them), though a lot of equipment doesn't, and they're a frequent
cause of lock-ups in digital devices.  Equipment that's designed to run
from 90 to 250 volts shouldn't fail during brownouts within their
alleged operational range.  And the design should have one-shot timers
to do an automatic system reset for the bigger mains glitches that
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/15/19 19:48, George N. White III wrote:


You can test the claim: "Industry leading support: 2-year and free 
24/7 technical

support. Contact ussupport@tp-link if you have any questions".

.
Yes, that sounds encouraging. Also I was pleased to see essential 
information printed on the router label and its' wall wart, there is 
hope ...


I think homeplug is designed to recover after power outages.  HPAV
added support for streaming (AV), look for hpav-white-paper_050818.pdf.
Can you try running the devices in legacy (HP 1.0) mode?

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.
Google led to the PDF but apparently I am not worthy of receiving a 
copy? The pages acted dead ...


The Ethernet link appears to be working this morning, I can access the 
AP from this computer, I paired them about ten hours ago up here and put 
it back downstairs to restore operation, looked good on iPhone app I 
checked with that claims to show speed in three digit numbers, 690 
something?  I have an appointment early today, further testing will nave 
to wait 'til later,


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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/15/19 18:51, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 10/15/19 1:00 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
and that turns out to be the weak link. We live in a rural area and 
our power is reliable but I do get occasional monetary drops the make 
the UPS
s beep and apparently that is causing the Ethernet adapters to become 
unpaired. This morning I reset them and paired them hear at my 
computer where it is convent to do. put the second one downstairs 
where the A/P is and everything was restored. We cut the power at the 
circuit breaker while doing some electrical work and when we switched 
it back on the system was unpaired again. That explains the 
intermittent problem we are having with the internet connection, most 
likely due to minor glitches in power I suspect.


That is strange.  I have TP-Link ethernet over power adapters (can't 
check the model right now) and they don't have that problem.  I can 
unplug them and move them around and they always pair up again as soon 
as they're plugged in.

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.
Yes I was surprises too. I have paired them plugged into the same outlet 
strip, one I have for convenience in testing things, then carry it 
downstairs and it works \, after rebooting the AP. I rebooted the last 
time I did it anyway, maybe it would have worked given more time.


I suspected a UPS might cause problems but was nit certain, there may be 
line noise  produced when it switches, if that's the sort of thing that 
is causing my problem.


These look like large white wall warts with three status lamps on the 
right side and a reset/pair button there also, attractive design I 
suppose, suspect they are common model. I need to try their tech 
support, always a last resort from my experience but maybe they are 
better than some of the others I've tried ...




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Re: Wifi systens -

[George N. White III]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 17:01, Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> On 10/05/19 13:56, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >> I see a TP-Link AC1750 Smart WiFi Router - Dual Band Gigabit Wireless
> >> router available at an attractive price. Information is a bit vague.
> >> Have you tried that model? I have been looking for assurance that it
> >> could be used as an Access point as it comes. I can probably install
> >> dd wrt or perhaps Tomato which has some features I find useful. I
> >> always seem to get lost looking for openwrt compatibility?
> >
> > That's one of the models I'm still using with openwrt.
> .
> I'm still working on this. I bought the AC1780 router and set it up in
> AP Mode with the TP-Link software that it came with and that seems to
> work. I also bought the TP-Link Ethernet adapters "TP-Link Powerline
> Adapter AV2000 Mbps - Gigabit Port, Ethernet Over Power, Plug&Play,
> Power Saving, MU-MIMO, Noise Filtering(TL-PA9020P KIT)"
> <
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >
> and that turns out to be the weak link. We live in a rural area and our
> power is reliable but I do get occasional monetary drops the make the UPS
> s beep and apparently that is causing the Ethernet adapters to become
> unpaired. This morning I reset them and paired them hear at my computer
> where it is convent to do. put the second one downstairs where the A/P
> is and everything was restored. We cut the power at the circuit breaker
> while doing some electrical work and when we switched it back on the
> system was unpaired again. That explains the intermittent problem we are
> having with the internet connection, most likely due to minor glitches
> in power I suspect.
>

You can test the claim: "Industry leading support: 2-year and free 24/7
technical
support. Contact ussupport@tp-link if you have any questions".


>
> This making the system too unreliable to use and I am considering
> returning the Ethernet Adapters to Amazon if there is no other
> explanation, some thing I can fix that is.
>
> has anyone else had experience with this, am  alone? I would like some
> comments,
>

I think homeplug is designed to recover after power outages.  HPAV
added support for streaming (AV), look for hpav-white-paper_050818.pdf.
Can you try running the devices in legacy (HP 1.0) mode?

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/15/19 1:12 PM, Jack Craig wrote:

maybe a UPS  system might fix the problem?


Unless you're referring to a whole-house UPS system, that won't work. 
These devices definitely won't work through a UPS.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/15/19 1:00 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
and that turns out to be the weak link. We live in a rural area and our 
power is reliable but I do get occasional monetary drops the make the UPS
s beep and apparently that is causing the Ethernet adapters to become 
unpaired. This morning I reset them and paired them hear at my computer 
where it is convent to do. put the second one downstairs where the A/P 
is and everything was restored. We cut the power at the circuit breaker 
while doing some electrical work and when we switched it back on the 
system was unpaired again. That explains the intermittent problem we are 
having with the internet connection, most likely due to minor glitches 
in power I suspect.


That is strange.  I have TP-Link ethernet over power adapters (can't 
check the model right now) and they don't have that problem.  I can 
unplug them and move them around and they always pair up again as soon 
as they're plugged in.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/15/19 16:12, Jack Craig wrote:

maybe a UPS  system might fix the problem?

.
Well if it does it would seriously reduce the utility of those adapters, 
I hope not. I already use three UPS's, it might mean another here and a 
fourth one downstairs where we are still trying to find an acceptable 
location for what I am trying to use now.


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Re: Wifi systens -

[Jack Craig]

maybe a UPS  system might fix the problem?

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 1:01 PM Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> On 10/05/19 13:56, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >> I see a TP-Link AC1750 Smart WiFi Router - Dual Band Gigabit Wireless
> >> router available at an attractive price. Information is a bit vague.
> >> Have you tried that model? I have been looking for assurance that it
> >> could be used as an Access point as it comes. I can probably install
> >> dd wrt or perhaps Tomato which has some features I find useful. I
> >> always seem to get lost looking for openwrt compatibility?
> >
> > That's one of the models I'm still using with openwrt.
> .
> I'm still working on this. I bought the AC1780 router and set it up in
> AP Mode with the TP-Link software that it came with and that seems to
> work. I also bought the TP-Link Ethernet adapters "TP-Link Powerline
> Adapter AV2000 Mbps - Gigabit Port, Ethernet Over Power, Plug&Play,
> Power Saving, MU-MIMO, Noise Filtering(TL-PA9020P KIT)"
> <
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H74VKZU/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >
> and that turns out to be the weak link. We live in a rural area and our
> power is reliable but I do get occasional monetary drops the make the UPS
> s beep and apparently that is causing the Ethernet adapters to become
> unpaired. This morning I reset them and paired them hear at my computer
> where it is convent to do. put the second one downstairs where the A/P
> is and everything was restored. We cut the power at the circuit breaker
> while doing some electrical work and when we switched it back on the
> system was unpaired again. That explains the intermittent problem we are
> having with the internet connection, most likely due to minor glitches
> in power I suspect.
>
> This making the system too unreliable to use and I am considering
> returning the Ethernet Adapters to Amazon if there is no other
> explanation, some thing I can fix that is.
>
> has anyone else had experience with this, am  alone? I would like some
> comments,
>
> Thanks,  Bob
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/05/19 13:56, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I see a TP-Link AC1750 Smart WiFi Router - Dual Band Gigabit Wireless 
router available at an attractive price. Information is a bit vague. 
Have you tried that model? I have been looking for assurance that it 
could be used as an Access point as it comes. I can probably install 
dd wrt or perhaps Tomato which has some features I find useful. I 
always seem to get lost looking for openwrt compatibility?


That's one of the models I'm still using with openwrt.

.
I'm still working on this. I bought the AC1780 router and set it up in 
AP Mode with the TP-Link software that it came with and that seems to 
work. I also bought the TP-Link Ethernet adapters "TP-Link Powerline 
Adapter AV2000 Mbps - Gigabit Port, Ethernet Over Power, Plug&Play, 
Power Saving, MU-MIMO, Noise Filtering(TL-PA9020P KIT)" 

and that turns out to be the weak link. We live in a rural area and our 
power is reliable but I do get occasional monetary drops the make the UPS
s beep and apparently that is causing the Ethernet adapters to become 
unpaired. This morning I reset them and paired them hear at my computer 
where it is convent to do. put the second one downstairs where the A/P 
is and everything was restored. We cut the power at the circuit breaker 
while doing some electrical work and when we switched it back on the 
system was unpaired again. That explains the intermittent problem we are 
having with the internet connection, most likely due to minor glitches 
in power I suspect.


This making the system too unreliable to use and I am considering 
returning the Ethernet Adapters to Amazon if there is no other 
explanation, some thing I can fix that is.


has anyone else had experience with this, am  alone? I would like some 
comments,


Thanks,  Bob

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Re: Wifi systens -

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On 10/05/2019 12:48 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I ordered one and should  have it Monday afternoon. If I can't disable 
dhcp with their software I can replace it with DD-WRT or Openwrt, 
whatever. I would prefer not to though.


Even if you can't disable dhcp on the router, you can configure the 
interfaces on the machines not to use it.

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Re: Wifi systens -

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On 10/05/19 13:56, Samuel Sieb wrote:


Yes, as long as you can figure out how to disable dhcp.  I've also 
found that some won't let you use the same ssid for the 2.4 and 5GHz 
bands. If they're the same, then 5GHz capable devices will 
automatically use that.
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.
I ordered one and should  have it Monday afternoon. If I can't disable 
dhcp with their software I can replace it with DD-WRT or Openwrt, 
whatever. I would prefer not to though.


As I said I liked the Tomato USB by Shibby software. One of the things 
it did was provide daily usage information for each user, ip address ...


Thanks for the help,  Bob.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/5/19 9:25 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I see a TP-Link AC1750 Smart WiFi Router - Dual Band Gigabit Wireless 
router available at an attractive price. Information is a bit vague. 
Have you tried that model? I have been looking for assurance that it 
could be used as an Access point as it comes. I can probably install dd 
wrt or perhaps Tomato which has some features I find useful. I always 
seem to get lost looking for openwrt compatibility?


That's one of the models I'm still using with openwrt.

But it seems that for a/p use the original software ought to be good 
enough?


Yes, as long as you can figure out how to disable dhcp.  I've also found 
that some won't let you use the same ssid for the 2.4 and 5GHz bands. 
If they're the same, then 5GHz capable devices will automatically use that.

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Re: Wifi systens -

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On 10/04/19 17:59, Samuel Sieb wrote:


I have used TP-Link routers for many years and have been generally 
happy with them.  Unfortunately the newer ones are generally not 
supported by openwrt yet.  That said, the not so new ones are still 
good and some have 802.11ac support as well.

_

.
I see a TP-Link AC1750 Smart WiFi Router - Dual Band Gigabit Wireless 
router available at an attractive price. Information is a bit vague. 
Have you tried that model? I have been looking for assurance that it 
could be used as an Access point as it comes. I can probably install dd 
wrt or perhaps Tomato which has some features I find useful. I always 
seem to get lost looking for openwrt compatibility?


But it seems that for a/p use the original software ought to be good enough?

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/4/19 2:35 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/02/19 12:59, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I have setup wifi in a school with currently around 15 access points 
and there is no problem roaming around.  They are all consumer routers 
reflashed with openwrt.  They used to be all TP-Link, but now I'm 
starting to switch to Ubiquiti.  The whole school has both 2.4 and 
5GHz available on the same SSID and different SSIDs for different groups. 

.
I wonder if the Ubiquitia/p's are a better choice than the ASUS RTN66 
routers I have? The one I was planning on using for this purpose failed 
when I tried to reset it, at the moment it's a "brick." it was 
advertised as factory refurbished, had a 90 day warranty according to 
the label. I forget when I bought it but it has had several years of use 
and they get pretty warm. Change anything and problems pop up ... Anyway 
I will have to get something else and will have to make a choice.


Any sugestion appreciated.


The Ubiquiti ones are nice.  A couple of cautions though.  By default 
you need to use their software to configure them, I think they are 
designed for large installations with central management.  If you do 
want to use openwrt (which I recommend), you have to ssh in to them to 
do the flashing.  They also only have one ethernet port (unless you get 
the more expensive one that has two).  They are definitely intended as 
access points, not routers.


I have used TP-Link routers for many years and have been generally happy 
with them.  Unfortunately the newer ones are generally not supported by 
openwrt yet.  That said, the not so new ones are still good and some 
have 802.11ac support as well.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/02/19 12:59, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I have setup wifi in a school with currently around 15 access points 
and there is no problem roaming around.  They are all consumer routers 
reflashed with openwrt.  They used to be all TP-Link, but now I'm 
starting to switch to Ubiquiti.  The whole school has both 2.4 and 
5GHz available on the same SSID and different SSIDs for different groups. 

.
I wonder if the Ubiquitia/p's are a better choice than the ASUS RTN66 
routers I have? The one I was planning on using for this purpose failed 
when I tried to reset it, at the moment it's a "brick." it was 
advertised as factory refurbished, had a 90 day warranty according to 
the label. I forget when I bought it but it has had several years of use 
and they get pretty warm. Change anything and problems pop up ... Anyway 
I will have to get something else and will have to make a choice.


Any sugestion appreciated.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[George N. White III]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 12:59, Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> On 10/01/19 19:04, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >
> > If you have your access points all configured with the same SSID and
> > password, there is no difference with a mesh system other than better
> > speed.  Even with mesh, your device still has to switch access points
> > when the current one is going out of range.  Just make sure that you
> > are using them as access points and not routers.  No DHCP, no NAT.
> > Use the LAN port, not the WAN port.
> > 
> .
> That appears to fit my situation, I was considering a second one of my
> ASUS RTN66 routers as an access point downstairs. Where my daughter
> chose to set up her operating position seems to suffer a problem with
> interference between the incident and reflected signals from any router
> I have tried here more or less above her. I can use an iPad, whatever a
> few feet away but moving a small amount at her spot causes the signal to
> drop.
>
>
Multipath issues are common, and would be more severe if the house has
big expanses of metal (siding, roof, or nearby outbuildings).

If your daughter can use an ethernet cable at her operationg position you
could use a WiFi to ethernet box.  These typically have better antennae
than an ipad or laptop, and the ethernet cable allows you to separate the
workstation from the antenna so each can be in the ideal location.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/3/19 2:15 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2019-10-02 at 09:59 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I know that's true in theory, but in practice I've had problems with
it. I assume this is one difference between consumer-grade APs and
"managed" devices intended for corporate networks.


In practice, I haven't had any issues with it. :-)
I have setup wifi in a school with currently around 15 access points and
there is no problem roaming around.  They are all consumer routers
reflashed with openwrt.


That falls outside what I would call "consumer". The software is what
mainly matters here.


I haven't had any issues with stock routers either as long as they are 
configured correctly and connected using the LAN ports.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2019-10-02 at 09:59 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > I know that's true in theory, but in practice I've had problems with
> > it. I assume this is one difference between consumer-grade APs and
> > "managed" devices intended for corporate networks.
> 
> In practice, I haven't had any issues with it. :-)
> I have setup wifi in a school with currently around 15 access points and 
> there is no problem roaming around.  They are all consumer routers 
> reflashed with openwrt. 

That falls outside what I would call "consumer". The software is what
mainly matters here.

poc
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/02/19 23:23, Tim via users wrote:

  It strikes me that there's a call for some sort of
bridging adaptor where a device plugs into all phases and cross-
connects them with a high pass filter (for RF).

And there were other things mentioned that block signals:  A UPS
between the mains and a WiFi over powerline device, surge arrestors and
mains filters.

.
I recall, from perhaps thirty years ago, that there were devices to 
couple control signals between the two sides of the main power circuit, 
consumer remote control of lights, etc. I able to made do without such 
things though.


As for what the result will be when I plug in those two ethernet 
adapters I wont try to predict, there are too many variables. It looks a 
bit like trying to predict the weather, if thus and so is true then 
there is a chance the sun will/will not shine ...


I'm just hoping I will find two outlets on the same circuit, the best case.

Some equipment mysteriously stops working at attic temperatures here, I 
had a lot of problems with some video cameras in such a location, had to 
cut vent holes in the case and add a fan after which they worked for years.


Bob

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Tim via users]

On Wed, 2019-10-02 at 12:16 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Our 120 volt service to the house is derived from a 240 volt line
> from a center tapped transformer, the center is common and grounded.
> So we have two possibilities, 180?? out of phase. Does the ethenet
> signal find it's way, maybe, maybe not but I guess I will find out.
> Some times a different wall outlet will be on the other phase, the
> other side of the transformer.

A brief search for "ethernet over power across phases" provided
conflicting answers:

   --- 

Does Ethernet over power need to be on the same circuit?

If all circuit breakers are connected to the main switch then Powerline
adapters can communicate across different circuits. ... Some factors
that can impact on the performance of your Powerline network can
include wiring quality, the signal path and other electrical devices
that are being used on the same line.

Can TP-LINK powerline adapters work in different phases of three-phase circuit?

A: Yes, but its rate will be affected when crossing the phases. For
three-phase four-line circuit, we suggest you use the topology below to
get good performance.

(Their diagram shows two separate WiFi installations on both phases,
with an ethernet cable between them.)

  -

I dare say that two-phase has the same constraints as three-phase. 
They appear to transmit over the live wire (can be used in old houses
without a ground wire).  Proximity to other wiring could enable it to
cross over, but it probably does need some direct connection for a
strong signal.  It strikes me that there's a call for some sort of
bridging adaptor where a device plugs into all phases and cross-
connects them with a high pass filter (for RF).

And there were other things mentioned that block signals:  A UPS
between the mains and a WiFi over powerline device, surge arrestors and
mains filters.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Tim via users]

On Wed, 2019-10-02 at 14:11 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> You could try putting the router upside-down on the ceiling, although
> that may result in overheating (it is often hotter at the ceiling and
> consumer devices are generally designed for passive cooling with air
> drawn in via side vents and out at the top).

It's very common to see things mounted upside on the ceiling (whether
or not the particular device is cool enough, I wouldn't know, and we
live in a hot country - if you stand in a room on a ladder, you sure
notice that your head get uncomfortably warm).

The next common thing is inside the roof space, just sitting on top of
the ceiling.  Again, overheating is a distinct possibility, but there's
the opportunity to use fan cooling that might have been too much of a
noise annoyance inside a room.

Then there's mounting vertically on a wall (like a doorbell chime). 
You get maximum airflow over it, then.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[George N. White III]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 14:00, Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 10/2/19 3:34 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 16:04 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >>> Powerline Ethernet (usually called Homeplug -
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug) is my standard answer for
> >>> people who want to extend their home network. Very easy to install and
> >>> much cheaper than the alternatives (not counting wireless "extenders"
> >>> which are basically a kludge). The downside is that unlike mesh systems
> >>> they don't tend to merge everything into one network, relying on your
> >>> WiFi device to hop from one to another.
> >>
> >> If you have your access points all configured with the same SSID and
> >> password, there is no difference with a mesh system other than better
> >> speed.
> >
> > I know that's true in theory, but in practice I've had problems with
> > it. I assume this is one difference between consumer-grade APs and
> > "managed" devices intended for corporate networks.
>
> In practice, I haven't had any issues with it. :-)
> I have setup wifi in a school with currently around 15 access points and
> there is no problem roaming around.  They are all consumer routers
> reflashed with openwrt.  They used to be all TP-Link, but now I'm
> starting to switch to Ubiquiti.  The whole school has both 2.4 and 5GHz
> available on the same SSID and different SSIDs for different groups.
>

Openwrt is a step up from most consumer router software.  Hardware
reliability (particularly the power dongles) could be an issue, but with
cheap hardware you can afford to have a couple spares ready to go.
If the units use power dongles it might be worth investing in higher
quality power supplies so you don't end up with spares that don't
have power supplies.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[George N. White III]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 12:59, Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> On 10/01/19 19:04, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >
> > If you have your access points all configured with the same SSID and
> > password, there is no difference with a mesh system other than better
> > speed.  Even with mesh, your device still has to switch access points
> > when the current one is going out of range.  Just make sure that you
> > are using them as access points and not routers.  No DHCP, no NAT.
> > Use the LAN port, not the WAN port.
> > 
> .
> That appears to fit my situation, I was considering a second one of my
> ASUS RTN66 routers as an access point downstairs. Where my daughter
> chose to set up her operating position seems to suffer a problem with
> interference between the incident and reflected signals from any router
> I have tried here more or less above her. I can use an iPad, whatever a
> few feet away but moving a small amount at her spot causes the signal to
> drop.
>

This is a very common scenario.   You could try putting the router
upside-down
on the ceiling, although that may result in overheating (it is often hotter
at the
ceiling and consumer devices are generally designed for passive cooling
with
air drawn in via side vents and out at the top).   Since that model has
detachable
antennae, you have the option to move them to a place that gives better
coverage,
such as hanging them from the ceiling.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/2/19 3:34 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 16:04 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

Powerline Ethernet (usually called Homeplug -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug) is my standard answer for
people who want to extend their home network. Very easy to install and
much cheaper than the alternatives (not counting wireless "extenders"
which are basically a kludge). The downside is that unlike mesh systems
they don't tend to merge everything into one network, relying on your
WiFi device to hop from one to another.


If you have your access points all configured with the same SSID and
password, there is no difference with a mesh system other than better
speed.


I know that's true in theory, but in practice I've had problems with
it. I assume this is one difference between consumer-grade APs and
"managed" devices intended for corporate networks.


In practice, I haven't had any issues with it. :-)
I have setup wifi in a school with currently around 15 access points and 
there is no problem roaming around.  They are all consumer routers 
reflashed with openwrt.  They used to be all TP-Link, but now I'm 
starting to switch to Ubiquiti.  The whole school has both 2.4 and 5GHz 
available on the same SSID and different SSIDs for different groups.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/02/19 06:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Not being an EE, I haven't the slightest idea. US power company
standards are a closed book to me (I live in the UK where I don't think
this would happen for safety reasons, though I could be wrong). In any
case, Homeplug is a widely supported standards so I suggest asking the
manufacturer.

.
Yes, I have had this problem with remote controlled power devices. Our 
120 volt service to the house is derived from a 240 volt line from a 
center tapped transformer, the center is common and grounded. So we have 
two possibilities, 180° out of phase. Does the ethenet signal find it's 
way, maybe, maybe not but I guess I will find out. Some times a 
different wall outlet will be on the other phase, the other side of the 
transformer. In that case you would measure 240 volts between the two 
"high" terminals so it need not be a mystery if there was a problem.


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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/01/19 19:04, Samuel Sieb wrote:


If you have your access points all configured with the same SSID and 
password, there is no difference with a mesh system other than better 
speed.  Even with mesh, your device still has to switch access points 
when the current one is going out of range.  Just make sure that you 
are using them as access points and not routers.  No DHCP, no NAT.  
Use the LAN port, not the WAN port.



.
That appears to fit my situation, I was considering a second one of my 
ASUS RTN66 routers as an access point downstairs. Where my daughter 
chose to set up her operating position seems to suffer a problem with 
interference between the incident and reflected signals from any router 
I have tried here more or less above her. I can use an iPad, whatever a 
few feet away but moving a small amount at her spot causes the signal to 
drop.


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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/01/19 18:46, Samuel Sieb wrote:


They are very suitable for this case, I use one at home even though 
it's not really necessary.  How well it works can depend on your 
wiring and what else is plugged in nearby.  It's one of the easiest 
ways of extending your wifi range.  Just plug the converter box into 
an outlet and plug the wifi access point into that with ethernet.  
Another converter box needs to be connected to your network somewhere.



.
Sam, that's a really useful comment, I've wondered about those for a 
while. You may have inspired me to order a pair of those converters today.


Bob

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/01/19 18:10, George N. White III wrote:


The Apple Airport Extreme allowed you to configure one unit as
the router and others as range extenders.   This gave one network with
multiple access points and a single login with DHCP assigned IP that
worked as you moved in and around the house.  My previous house had
cable internet that came into the basement.    The was a massive brick
chimney in the center of the house which created a large dead zone
opposite the router.  My wife's office was on the 2nd foor and could not
connect to a wifi router located near the cable connection.  With 2 
Airport
Extremes we had very robust wifi throughout the house with all sorts 
of devices, but
the household generally consisted of 2 adults, no internet gaming but 
sometimes a

couple video streams going to laptop or tablet screens.


.
We had an Apple Airport something, I dunno the exact version, but she 
had trouble with it and I determined it had died, suggested tossing it 
since it was out of warranty. She was storing photos on it but I 
couldn't get them off without opening the case to remove the drive, 
dunno what decision was made afterward.


Now I live in a modular house with metal siding, and have a Pakedge 
system with an
access point (connected back to the router by cat 6) in each module.  
 This gives us
robust access throughout the house.   I chose Pakedge because they had 
a record

of supporting their dealers well.   The TV's each have cat 6 to the
router.   I did try using one TV on wifi but it sometimes had problems.

.
We live in a rural area in a two story frame house with no basement, 
just a crawl space. I can no longer do many of the things I know how to 
do and the best I can do is to try and tell someone else what to do, 
smart people but they have different skill sets. Running some cat6 lines 
would be possible but I leave that option last.


https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/231645-best-whole-home-wifi-solutions/ 



Some of my colleages live in more urban settings where there are many 
wifi routers
competing.  Since wifi came into existence I have lived in rural 
settings with low

density of wifi routers.

The two main thnigs to consider are your bandwidth requirements and the
RF environment (stuff that blocks or reflects the signal and number of
other routers within range).

.
The kids have moved out and most of the time it's just us three adults, 
there is no on line game playing, just some photos, video clips, etc. 
They can use the satellite TV router for movies at times but that's a 
different ethernet port on my ViaSat modem, I only have consider usage 
in that case and with the new satellite connection it has not been a 
problem. It looks like the Netgear Orbi would probably work but I hate 
to give up any of the features  I have in the ASUS routers I have now..


So thar's [robably more than you wanted to know about my situartion.

Thanks,  Bob


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Re: Wifi systens -

[George N. White III]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 07:35, Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 16:04 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > > Powerline Ethernet (usually called Homeplug -
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug) is my standard answer for
> > > people who want to extend their home network. Very easy to install and
> > > much cheaper than the alternatives (not counting wireless "extenders"
> > > which are basically a kludge). The downside is that unlike mesh systems
> > > they don't tend to merge everything into one network, relying on your
> > > WiFi device to hop from one to another.
> >
> > If you have your access points all configured with the same SSID and
> > password, there is no difference with a mesh system other than better
> > speed.
>

Powerline Ethernet has the advantage in cases were there are lots of
wifi routers (e.g., high density urban settings).  I've heard of cases where
home wifi works well during the day when most nearby residents are at
school or work, but becomes unusable during peak evening hours.  I
assume this stems from a combination of wifi and WAN conjestion.
Powerline Ethernet can help when you have older hardware (e.g., printer)
that lacks wifi and the ethernet jack is on the "wrong" side of the room.


>
> I know that's true in theory, but in practice I've had problems with
> it. I assume this is one difference between consumer-grade APs and
> "managed" devices intended for corporate networks.
>

Consumer grade AP's handle the easy cases, fall down when conditions are
far from ideal.  There are also differences in the signal pattern and MIMO
support that affect the ease of moving around with portable devices.   Some
people end up rearranging the furniture so the ipad has a signal in their
favored chair.

There may be "pro-sumer" wifi gear that steals features from managed
devices for home and small business applications, but then you have to
consider long-term viability and support.   If history is any guide there
will
be multiple offerings but only a few that remain viable for more than a
couple years.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 16:04 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > Powerline Ethernet (usually called Homeplug -
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug) is my standard answer for
> > people who want to extend their home network. Very easy to install and
> > much cheaper than the alternatives (not counting wireless "extenders"
> > which are basically a kludge). The downside is that unlike mesh systems
> > they don't tend to merge everything into one network, relying on your
> > WiFi device to hop from one to another.
> 
> If you have your access points all configured with the same SSID and 
> password, there is no difference with a mesh system other than better 
> speed.

I know that's true in theory, but in practice I've had problems with
it. I assume this is one difference between consumer-grade APs and
"managed" devices intended for corporate networks.

poc
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2019-10-02 at 03:43 +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Oct 2019 23:59:54 +0100
> Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 17:41 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> > > Ethernet over the ac power line? I've seen those advertised, know 
> > > nothing about their suitability for this application however.
> > 
> > Powerline Ethernet (usually called Homeplug - 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug) is my standard answer for
> > people who want to extend their home network. Very easy to install and
> > much cheaper than the alternatives (not counting wireless "extenders"
> > which are basically a kludge). The downside is that unlike mesh
> > systems they don't tend to merge everything into one network, relying
> > on your WiFi device to hop from one to another.
> 
> Does this work across the polyphase wiring [1] in the house? I'm
> guessing not?
> 
> Various parts of my house are receiving power from the three different
> phases (as provided by the power company), and various power lines in my
> household are therefore mutually physically disconnected. Is there a
> Homeplug device that would retransmit the ethernet signal from one
> phase line to another? Or is the ethernet signal somehow being
> transmitted over the single "zero" wire (and how would that even work)?
> If neither, that is a serious disadvantage compared to a mesh wifi
> network...

Not being an EE, I haven't the slightest idea. US power company
standards are a closed book to me (I live in the UK where I don't think
this would happen for safety reasons, though I could be wrong). In any
case, Homeplug is a widely supported standards so I suggest asking the
manufacturer.

The advantages over mesh networks are cost and (at least in some
configurations) bandwidth.

poc
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Tue, 01 Oct 2019 23:59:54 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 17:41 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> > Ethernet over the ac power line? I've seen those advertised, know 
> > nothing about their suitability for this application however.
> 
> Powerline Ethernet (usually called Homeplug - 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug) is my standard answer for
> people who want to extend their home network. Very easy to install and
> much cheaper than the alternatives (not counting wireless "extenders"
> which are basically a kludge). The downside is that unlike mesh
> systems they don't tend to merge everything into one network, relying
> on your WiFi device to hop from one to another.

Does this work across the polyphase wiring [1] in the house? I'm
guessing not?

Various parts of my house are receiving power from the three different
phases (as provided by the power company), and various power lines in my
household are therefore mutually physically disconnected. Is there a
Homeplug device that would retransmit the ethernet signal from one
phase line to another? Or is the ethernet signal somehow being
transmitted over the single "zero" wire (and how would that even work)?
If neither, that is a serious disadvantage compared to a mesh wifi
network...

Best, :-)
Marko

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphase_system


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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/1/19 3:59 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 17:41 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/01/19 17:29, Ed Greshko wrote:

So, what did you "hope for"?

Ethernet over the ac power line? I've seen those advertised, know
nothing about their suitability for this application however.


Powerline Ethernet (usually called Homeplug -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug) is my standard answer for
people who want to extend their home network. Very easy to install and
much cheaper than the alternatives (not counting wireless "extenders"
which are basically a kludge). The downside is that unlike mesh systems
they don't tend to merge everything into one network, relying on your
WiFi device to hop from one to another.


If you have your access points all configured with the same SSID and 
password, there is no difference with a mesh system other than better 
speed.  Even with mesh, your device still has to switch access points 
when the current one is going out of range.  Just make sure that you are 
using them as access points and not routers.  No DHCP, no NAT.  Use the 
LAN port, not the WAN port.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 17:41 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 10/01/19 17:29, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > So, what did you "hope for"?
> Ethernet over the ac power line? I've seen those advertised, know 
> nothing about their suitability for this application however.

Powerline Ethernet (usually called Homeplug - 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug) is my standard answer for
people who want to extend their home network. Very easy to install and
much cheaper than the alternatives (not counting wireless "extenders"
which are basically a kludge). The downside is that unlike mesh systems
they don't tend to merge everything into one network, relying on your
WiFi device to hop from one to another.

poc
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/1/19 2:41 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/01/19 17:29, Ed Greshko wrote:

So, what did you "hope for"?
Ethernet over the ac power line? I've seen those advertised, know 
nothing about their suitability for this application however.


They are very suitable for this case, I use one at home even though it's 
not really necessary.  How well it works can depend on your wiring and 
what else is plugged in nearby.  It's one of the easiest ways of 
extending your wifi range.  Just plug the converter box into an outlet 
and plug the wifi access point into that with ethernet.  Another 
converter box needs to be connected to your network somewhere.

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Re: Wifi systens -

[George N. White III]

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 12:09, Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> .
> Does anyone have experience with the so called "mesh wifi" systems. My
> daughter suggested that I need one after reading a review. All I can
> find is a lot of hype devoid of the things I would like to know, mainly
> how are the units interconnected? It occurs to me that they might use
> Ethernet via the ac power line.
>
> I would appreciate anything anyone might have to share on the subject.


The Apple Airport Extreme allowed you to configure one unit as
the router and others as range extenders.   This gave one network with
multiple access points and a single login with DHCP assigned IP that
worked as you moved in and around the house.  My previous house had
cable internet that came into the basement.The was a massive brick
chimney in the center of the house which created a large dead zone
opposite the router.  My wife's office was on the 2nd foor and could not
connect to a wifi router located near the cable connection.  With 2 Airport
Extremes we had very robust wifi throughout the house with all sorts of
devices, but
the household generally consisted of 2 adults, no internet gaming but
sometimes a
couple video streams going to laptop or tablet screens.

Now I live in a modular house with metal siding, and have a Pakedge system
with an
access point (connected back to the router by cat 6) in each module.   This
gives us
robust access throughout the house.   I chose Pakedge because they had a
record
of supporting their dealers well.   The TV's each have cat 6 to the
router.   I did try using one TV on wifi but it sometimes had problems.

https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/231645-best-whole-home-wifi-solutions/


Some of my colleages live in more urban settings where there are many wifi
routers
competing.  Since wifi came into existence I have lived in rural settings
with low
density of wifi routers.

The two main thnigs to consider are your bandwidth requirements and the
RF environment (stuff that blocks or reflects the signal and number of
other routers within range).

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/01/19 17:29, Ed Greshko wrote:

So, what did you "hope for"?
Ethernet over the ac power line? I've seen those advertised, know 
nothing about their suitability for this application however.


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Re: Wifi systens -

[Ed Greshko]

On 10/2/19 3:52 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/01/19 13:39, SternData wrote:

I'm using a Netgear Orbi system. There's a base unit that is also an
access point, then satellite units. The satellites have a "private" 5GHz
channel for talking to the base.


.
I think that is the one she read about in Consumer Reports. All I saw with some 
googling was a lot glowing advertising stuff. So then it appears the units have 
to be located so that there is a clear 5GHz radio path between them, that could 
work, but not what I hoped for.



So, what did you "hope for"?

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Doug McGarrett]

On 10/01/2019 03:52 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 10/01/19 13:39, SternData wrote:

I'm using a Netgear Orbi system. There's a base unit that is also an
access point, then satellite units. The satellites have a "private" 5GHz
channel for talking to the base.


.
I think that is the one she read about in Consumer Reports. All I saw
with some googling was a lot glowing advertising stuff. So then it
appears the units have to be located so that there is a clear 5GHz radio
path between them, that could work, but not what I hoped for.

Thanks for the response, Bob

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Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA



I think 5GHz will go thru ordinary plasterboard walls to a limited 
extent. You need to put the base unit fairly high up, so that it has as 
much clear air as possible between it and the satellites--i.e., it 
should not have to go thru a bookcase or a dresser to get to a 
satellite! As usual, ymmv, and some experimentation may help. Try and
keep the base close to the center of the areas you want to put the 
satellites in as possible.


--doug, retired RF engineer.
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/01/19 13:39, SternData wrote:

I'm using a Netgear Orbi system. There's a base unit that is also an
access point, then satellite units. The satellites have a "private" 5GHz
channel for talking to the base.


.
I think that is the one she read about in Consumer Reports. All I saw 
with some googling was a lot glowing advertising stuff. So then it 
appears the units have to be located so that there is a clear 5GHz radio 
path between them, that could work, but not what I hoped for.


Thanks for the response, Bob

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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/01/19 13:39, SternData wrote:

I'm using a Netgear Orbi system. There's a base unit that is also an
access point, then satellite units. The satellites have a "private" 5GHz
channel for talking to the base.


.
I think that is the one she read about in Consumer Reports. All I saw 
with some googling was a lot glowing advertising stuff. So then it 
appears the units have to be located so that there is a clear 5GHz radio 
path between them, that could work, but not what I hoped for.


Thanks for the response, Bob

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Re: Wifi systens -

[SternData]

On 10/1/19 10:08 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> .
> Does anyone have experience with the so called "mesh wifi" systems. My
> daughter suggested that I need one after reading a review. All I can
> find is a lot of hype devoid of the things I would like to know, mainly
> how are the units interconnected? It occurs to me that they might use
> Ethernet via the ac power line.
> 
> I would appreciate anything anyone might have to share on the subject.
> 
> Bob
> 

I'm using a Netgear Orbi system. There's a base unit that is also an
access point, then satellite units. The satellites have a "private" 5GHz
channel for talking to the base.
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Re: Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 10/01/19 11:35, Clifford Snow wrote:

Bob,
I recently installed a mesh system in my house. While the house is 
relatively small, it did have some dead spots with my old system. My 
old system was a router with a repeater. The new system has a router 
with two mesh devices. Coverage is complete but the reason I upgraded 
was to avoid having different networks for different parts of the 
house. Now I can "roam" throughout the house with no dead spots and 
not having to change networks. Note - It worked good with just the 
main router and one mesh device, but I decided to make sure it worked 
everywhere. Now I'm down to just two networks, my home network and a 
guest network.


The other part of your question, how the hell does it do that. It does 
it without using ethernet or powerline adaptors. For more info check 
out this article 
https://www.howtogeek.com/290418/what-are-mesh-wi-fi-systems-and-how-do-they-work/


Best,
Clifford

.
That's interesting, good to know that it actually improved your 
coverage, but the article did not specify anysort of Ethernet connection 
between the main router and what I have seen referred to as satellites, 
access points I think. I read one google article recommending cat6 
cables. I would like to avoid running more wire.


The system now has two wifi routers, the satellite TV people connected a 
second one on a different, 10. something, and my ASUS wifi router with 
two extenders, all of which will access the internet if the user picks 
the right one, nothing happens automatically. that's fine with me, I 
like to have some control of what I do but the result is confusion, 
especially for iPhone users.


So that's why I am considering the mesh wifi,

Thanks for the help,

Bob


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Re: Wifi systens -

[Clifford Snow]

Bob,
I recently installed a mesh system in my house. While the house is
relatively small, it did have some dead spots with my old system. My old
system was a router with a repeater. The new system has a router with two
mesh devices. Coverage is complete but the reason I upgraded was to avoid
having different networks for different parts of the house. Now I can
"roam" throughout the house with no dead spots and not having to change
networks. Note - It worked good with just the main router and one mesh
device, but I decided to make sure it worked everywhere. Now I'm down to
just two networks, my home network and a guest network.

The other part of your question, how the hell does it do that. It does it
without using ethernet or powerline adaptors. For more info check out this
article
https://www.howtogeek.com/290418/what-are-mesh-wi-fi-systems-and-how-do-they-work/

Best,
Clifford

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 8:09 AM Bob Goodwin  wrote:

> .
> Does anyone have experience with the so called "mesh wifi" systems. My
> daughter suggested that I need one after reading a review. All I can
> find is a lot of hype devoid of the things I would like to know, mainly
> how are the units interconnected? It occurs to me that they might use
> Ethernet via the ac power line.
>
> I would appreciate anything anyone might have to share on the subject.
>
> Bob
>
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Wifi systens -

[Bob Goodwin]

.
Does anyone have experience with the so called "mesh wifi" systems. My 
daughter suggested that I need one after reading a review. All I can 
find is a lot of hype devoid of the things I would like to know, mainly 
how are the units interconnected? It occurs to me that they might use 
Ethernet via the ac power line.


I would appreciate anything anyone might have to share on the subject.

Bob

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