Re: file system compatibility...
On Friday 01 August 2014 09:07 PM, Angelo Moreschini wrote: Hi , I need to use an USB Hard Disk as repository; that is a "subversion repository" that is used in a local network. This means (for me) that the data wrote inside the HD can be used, in case of emergency, bot on OS Linux both on OS Windows Actually in this Hard Disk (that have ntfs file system) are stored data writed from OS Windows XP; and I am not able to read (easily) this data in OS Fedora. Actually I can read only some directories there... : - $RECYCLED BIN - RECYCLER - System Volume Information As well it is not the best..., it is not very important for me to lose the data actually wrote in this Hard Disk, But I would be sure that IN THE FUTURE SHALL BE COMPOTIBILITY of usage between Fedora and Windows.. i.e. *_I could indifferently use the Hard Disk with Fedora and with Windos.._* *_I think this if possible, using some File System that allow this possibility, by the creation of a special partition on the HD._* What I think is rigth ? In case the answer is yes.. *_with wich File System I have to format this partition ??_* Thank you Regards Angelo format you hdd with FAT32 ... is it ??? -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri RHCSA,RHCE,CCNA,MCP Registerd Linux user No #501175 www.linuxcounter.net No M$ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: file system compatibility...
On 08/02/14 05:56, Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: > With the NAS devices you can get other set of problems. I have for example > been rescuing data from NAS which had sparc processor and it had formatted > ext3 in a way that you couldn't read it in Intel processor machines without > doing extra things and using drivers in alpha state (and which development > had stopped and you needed to compile yourself) > > So if going to nas route should check that you can actually get something out > of the drives in case of box going bad. Or actually take backups instead of > always planning to do them. > If you don't mind others (Like your more or less friendly spy agencies) to > read the code in git repository one way to share the stuff with multiple > machine is actually keeping the repo in Dropbox or something similar which > actually copies the data to multiple places. I never worry about losing data should my NAS box hardware go bad. I live in Taipei and all I would have to do is take it to a shop in the Guang Hua market that sells that brand of NAS and they'll recover the data for free. One of the many perks of living in a place where "service" is not a dirty word. :-) But, yes, every solution comes with its own set of issues. You just have to weigh them and their probabilities. For some folks cloud services aren't ideal due to network issues. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: file system compatibility...
On 1.8.2014 23:58, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/01/14 23:37, Angelo Moreschini wrote: I need to use an USB Hard Disk as repository; that is a "subversion repository" that is used in a local network. This means (for me) that the data wrote inside the HD can be used, in case of emergency, bot on OS Linux both on OS Windows Actually in this Hard Disk (that have ntfs file system) are stored data writed from OS Windows XP; and I am not able to read (easily) this data in OS Fedora. I apologize for not answer the question you're asking. However, a friend of my had a similar request not too long ago. I told him not to bother with his idea and to simply go out and get a NAS. He was a bit tight on money but he still went out and got a low end Synology NAS with 2x3TB drives. Final cost was less than US$400. The data is available to all of his devices. Including his mobile devices. And, of course, he has RAID to minimize loss of data. With the NAS devices you can get other set of problems. I have for example been rescuing data from NAS which had sparc processor and it had formatted ext3 in a way that you couldn't read it in Intel processor machines without doing extra things and using drivers in alpha state (and which development had stopped and you needed to compile yourself) So if going to nas route should check that you can actually get something out of the drives in case of box going bad. Or actually take backups instead of always planning to do them. If you don't mind others (Like your more or less friendly spy agencies) to read the code in git repository one way to share the stuff with multiple machine is actually keeping the repo in Dropbox or something similar which actually copies the data to multiple places. -vpk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: file system compatibility...
On 08/01/14 23:37, Angelo Moreschini wrote: > I need to use an USB Hard Disk as repository; that is a "subversion > repository" that is used in a local network. > > This means (for me) that the data wrote inside the HD can be used, in case of > emergency, bot on OS Linux both on OS Windows > > Actually in this Hard Disk (that have ntfs file system) are stored data > writed from OS Windows XP; and I am not able to read (easily) this data in OS > Fedora. > > Actually I can read only some directories there... : > - $RECYCLED BIN > - RECYCLER > - System Volume Information > > As well it is not the best..., it is not very important for me to lose the > data actually wrote in this Hard Disk, > But I would be sure that IN THE FUTURE SHALL BE COMPOTIBILITY of usage > between Fedora and Windows.. > i.e. *_I could indifferently use the Hard Disk with Fedora and with Windos.._* > > *_I think this if possible, using some File System that allow this > possibility, by the creation of a special partition on the HD._* > > What I think is rigth ? > In case the answer is yes.. *_with wich File System I have to format this > partition ??_* I apologize for not answer the question you're asking. However, a friend of my had a similar request not too long ago. I told him not to bother with his idea and to simply go out and get a NAS. He was a bit tight on money but he still went out and got a low end Synology NAS with 2x3TB drives. Final cost was less than US$400. The data is available to all of his devices. Including his mobile devices. And, of course, he has RAID to minimize loss of data. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: file system compatibility...
On Fri, 2014-08-01 at 16:09 -0400, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Angelo Moreschini > wrote: > > > Hi , > > > > I need to use an USB Hard Disk as repository; that is a "subversion > > repository" that is used in a local network. > > > > This means (for me) that the data wrote inside the HD can be used, in case > > of emergency, bot on OS Linux both on OS Windows > > > > Actually in this Hard Disk (that have ntfs file system) are stored data > > writed from OS Windows XP; and I am not able to read (easily) this data in > > OS Fedora. > > > > Actually I can read only some directories there... : > > - $RECYCLED BIN > > - RECYCLER > > - System Volume Information > > > > As well it is not the best..., it is not very important for me to lose the > > data actually wrote in this Hard Disk, > > But I would be sure that IN THE FUTURE SHALL BE COMPOTIBILITY of usage > > between Fedora and Windows.. > > i.e. I could indifferently use the Hard Disk with Fedora and with Windos.. > > > > I think this if possible, using some File System that allow this > > possibility, by the creation of a special partition on the HD. > > > > What I think is rigth ? > > In case the answer is yes.. with wich File System I have to format this > > partition ?? > > Use NTFS. Windows and Fedora will read/write NTFS. It's a journaled file > system so it's a bit safer to use than FAT32 (in particular the journal > obviates most repairs in case of a crash, so it's usually not necessary to > fsck the disk). And also FAT32 has a 2GB file size limitation which can be a > problem. He already said he's using NTFS but he's having problems with it. The problems may not be related to the filesystem of course. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: file system compatibility...
Just would like to chime in that you can use the exfat filesystem which is supported by Windows and Linux. The Exfat filesystem addresses some of the limitations of the vfat filesystem. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: file system compatibility...
On 08/01/2014 01:09 PM, Chris Murphy issued this missive: On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Angelo Moreschini mailto:mrangelo.fed...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi , I need to use an USB Hard Disk as repository; that is a "subversion repository" that is used in a local network. This means (for me) that the data wrote inside the HD can be used, in case of emergency, bot on OS Linux both on OS Windows Actually in this Hard Disk (that have ntfs file system) are stored data writed from OS Windows XP; and I am not able to read (easily) this data in OS Fedora. Actually I can read only some directories there... : - $RECYCLED BIN - RECYCLER - System Volume Information As well it is not the best..., it is not very important for me to lose the data actually wrote in this Hard Disk, But I would be sure that IN THE FUTURE SHALL BE COMPOTIBILITY of usage between Fedora and Windows.. i.e. *_I could indifferently use the Hard Disk with Fedora and with Windos.._* *_I think this if possible, using some File System that allow this possibility, by the creation of a special partition on the HD._* What I think is rigth ? In case the answer is yes.. *_with wich File System I have to format this partition ??_* Use NTFS. Windows and Fedora will read/write NTFS. It's a journaled file system so it's a bit safer to use than FAT32 (in particular the journal obviates most repairs in case of a crash, so it's usually not necessary to fsck the disk). And also FAT32 has a 2GB file size limitation which can be a problem. Keep in mind, however, that there MAY be permissions/ownership issues as NTFS permissions and ownership do not translate directly to Linux. If the filesystem is mounted by root and root does the read/write to it, it'll probably be OK, but just be careful. There is no 100% compatible mechanism between Linux and Windows. You can use things like NFS or Samba to sort of mitigate the major hurdles, but there is nothing that's going to map 1 to 1. FAT32 has the fewest attributes so the compatibility is better, but it's still not 1 to 1. Windows and Linux are just completely different beasties. Linux does a better job "accommodating" Windows filesystems, but the reverse sure isn't true. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Warning: You are logged into reality as the root user... - -- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: file system compatibility...
On 08/01/2014 01:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: And also FAT32 has a 2GB file size limitation which can be a problem. 4GB -1 byte. And, if you need to worry about permissions, ownership and so on, there's freeware driver, http://dl.paragon-software.com/free/Paragon_ExtFS_for_Windows_2.198.exe, that lets Windows computers read/write ext4 file systems. (No, I haven't tested it yet. If you do, please let me know how it works.) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: file system compatibility...
On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Angelo Moreschini wrote: > Hi , > > I need to use an USB Hard Disk as repository; that is a "subversion > repository" that is used in a local network. > > This means (for me) that the data wrote inside the HD can be used, in case of > emergency, bot on OS Linux both on OS Windows > > Actually in this Hard Disk (that have ntfs file system) are stored data > writed from OS Windows XP; and I am not able to read (easily) this data in OS > Fedora. > > Actually I can read only some directories there... : > - $RECYCLED BIN > - RECYCLER > - System Volume Information > > As well it is not the best..., it is not very important for me to lose the > data actually wrote in this Hard Disk, > But I would be sure that IN THE FUTURE SHALL BE COMPOTIBILITY of usage > between Fedora and Windows.. > i.e. I could indifferently use the Hard Disk with Fedora and with Windos.. > > I think this if possible, using some File System that allow this possibility, > by the creation of a special partition on the HD. > > What I think is rigth ? > In case the answer is yes.. with wich File System I have to format this > partition ?? Use NTFS. Windows and Fedora will read/write NTFS. It's a journaled file system so it's a bit safer to use than FAT32 (in particular the journal obviates most repairs in case of a crash, so it's usually not necessary to fsck the disk). And also FAT32 has a 2GB file size limitation which can be a problem. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: file system compatibility...
On 08/01/2014 10:37 AM, Angelo Moreschini wrote: > Hi , > > // snip // > As well it is not the best..., it is not very important for me to lose > the data actually wrote in this Hard Disk, > But I would be sure that IN THE FUTURE SHALL BE COMPOTIBILITY of usage > between Fedora and Windows.. > i.e. *_I could indifferently use the Hard Disk with Fedora and with > Windos.._* > > *_I think this if possible, using some File System that allow this > possibility, by the creation of a special partition on the HD._* > > What I think is rigth ? > In case the answer is yes.. *_with wich File System I have to format > this partition ??_* > > Thank you > > Regards > > Angelo > > FAT32 -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
file system compatibility...
Hi , I need to use an USB Hard Disk as repository; that is a "subversion repository" that is used in a local network. This means (for me) that the data wrote inside the HD can be used, in case of emergency, bot on OS Linux both on OS Windows Actually in this Hard Disk (that have ntfs file system) are stored data writed from OS Windows XP; and I am not able to read (easily) this data in OS Fedora. Actually I can read only some directories there... : - $RECYCLED BIN - RECYCLER - System Volume Information As well it is not the best..., it is not very important for me to lose the data actually wrote in this Hard Disk, But I would be sure that IN THE FUTURE SHALL BE COMPOTIBILITY of usage between Fedora and Windows.. i.e. *I could indifferently use the Hard Disk with Fedora and with Windos..* *I think this if possible, using some File System that allow this possibility, by the creation of a special partition on the HD.* What I think is rigth ? In case the answer is yes.. *with wich File System I have to format this partition ??* Thank you Regards Angelo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
