Re: SSH problem from BasicLinux floppy booted 486 to Fedora 25
Jakub, On 2017-03-13 23:43, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:55:42 +0100 From: Jakub Jelen Subject: Re: SSH problem from BasicLinux floppy booted 486 to Fedora 25 To: p...@pricom.com.au, Community support for Fedora users Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 03/13/2017 07:02 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: People, I get an error trying to ssh from a BasicLinux floppy booted 486 (I want to sort out HD problems on the old Adaptec 1542 controlled SCSI drive that has RH5.2 on it!) when trying to connect to my Fedora 25 x86_64 workstation. On the F25 machine in /var/log/secure I get lines like: Mar 13 16:25:47 phil sshd[7562]: Unable to negotiate with 192.168.1.40 port 1034: no matching key exchange method found. Their offer: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 [preauth] You are connecting from very old OpenSSH client (3.5), which does not support any of the currently secure cryptography algorithms. You should really consider updating that BasicLinux. There will probably be a very infrequent need to boot that computer - once I rsync everything off it, the HD will probably only be used for odd testing after that. Also, I am already using 3 floppies to boot the machine - an up-to-date BL will be bigger and use more floppies etc etc Otherwise you can enable the legacy kex and ciphers in the Fedora OpenSSH server by following these instructions: http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html Perfect! Thanks for that - I can reverse using the legacy stuff after I recover the data from the old machine. Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: SSH problem from BasicLinux floppy booted 486 to Fedora 25
On 03/13/2017 07:02 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: People, I get an error trying to ssh from a BasicLinux floppy booted 486 (I want to sort out HD problems on the old Adaptec 1542 controlled SCSI drive that has RH5.2 on it!) when trying to connect to my Fedora 25 x86_64 workstation. On the F25 machine in /var/log/secure I get lines like: Mar 13 16:25:47 phil sshd[7562]: Unable to negotiate with 192.168.1.40 port 1034: no matching key exchange method found. Their offer: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 [preauth] You are connecting from very old OpenSSH client (3.5), which does not support any of the currently secure cryptography algorithms. You should really consider updating that BasicLinux. Otherwise you can enable the legacy kex and ciphers in the Fedora OpenSSH server by following these instructions: http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html Regards, -- Jakub Jelen Software Engineer Security Technologies Red Hat ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
SSH problem from BasicLinux floppy booted 486 to Fedora 25
People, I get an error trying to ssh from a BasicLinux floppy booted 486 (I want to sort out HD problems on the old Adaptec 1542 controlled SCSI drive that has RH5.2 on it!) when trying to connect to my Fedora 25 x86_64 workstation. On the F25 machine in /var/log/secure I get lines like: Mar 13 16:25:47 phil sshd[7562]: Unable to negotiate with 192.168.1.40 port 1034: no matching key exchange method found. Their offer: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 [preauth] On the BasLin terminal I get: OpenSSH_3.5p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090607f debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to 192.168.1.20 [192.168.1.20] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.3 debug1: match: OpenSSH_7.3 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.5p1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: curve25519-sha...@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group16-sha51 2,diffie-hellman-group18-sha512,diffie-hellman-group14-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ssh-ed25519 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: chacha20-poly1...@openssh.com,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-...@openssh.com,aes256-...@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: chacha20-poly1...@openssh.com,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-...@openssh.com,aes256-...@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: umac-64-...@openssh.com,umac-128-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-...@openssh.com,umac-64@openssh. com,umac-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: umac-64-...@openssh.com,umac-128-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-...@openssh.com,umac...@openssh.com,umac-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,z...@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,z...@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 no matching cipher found: client aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se server chacha20-poly1...@openssh.com,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-...@openssh.com,aes256-...@openssh.com debug1: Calling cleanup 0x805deb0(0x0) Any suggestions about how to fix this SSH problem? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
I'm sorry about my last message. I got into a time warp and replied to a mesage from Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:26:48 -0500! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
| From: Gene Heskett | I take it you are referring to modern machines? This one was new in '81, I | think. Maybe '82.? I'm confused. What machine built in 1981 or 1982 can run Fedora? A recent enough one that you can file a BZ on (i.e. F17, F18, F19)? Heck, I vaguely recall that soft-sectoring wasn't even universal then. (My NABU-1600 is from that era. It runs (essentially) 7th Edition UNIX. It has a quad-density 5.25" floppy drive and an ST506-class hard drive. Fedora requires way more RAM than there is hard drive on that machine (10M).) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot with 1.44" Floppy, then net install from thumb drive?
Am 02.01.2013 19:08, schrieb Doug: >> That being said, the easiest solution IMHO is to plug its hard drive >> into a different machine and do the install there. >> >> --T.C. > That would probably *not* be a good idea, unless the other machine is > identical. The install process customizes the system to fit the hardware > it finds--video, sound, hard drive controller, Ethernet chip, etc. > It's very likely that when you moved the drive back to your original > machine, nothing would work this is NOT windows! as default dracut generates a gegenric initramfs as long you do not configure it with hostonly="yes" * there is no hard-wired video configuration * there is no hard-waired sound configuration * there is no hard-wired hard-drive controller * there is ESPECIALLY no hard-wired ethernet what do you imagine why a live-usb boots on nearly any hardware? there is no "live-harwdare-support", the main component of a live-media is the preconfigurd desktop etc. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot with 1.44" Floppy, then net install from thumb drive?
On 01/02/2013 08:49 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: On 1/2/13, M de Luis wrote: When I copied the Net installation iso of Fedora to my USB flash drive using the Fedora LiveUSB creator, I noticed that the pre-existing FAT32 filesystem on the thumb drive had been unaltered, and that DOS readable files for the live image and Network installation had been added in 4-new directories. Presumably some sort of boot loader, that is able to read the FAT32 filesystem files, was added to the boot sector region of the flash drive. As soon as I am able to recreate this mystery boot loader's installation process for a FAT32 formatted IDE drive, then the problem is licked. It's no effort to boot the laptop from a Windows98 rescue disk using the floppy drive, create a temporarily bootable DOS partition for the Net installation files, and then given the bios' legacy USB support will allow, merely copy the appropriate installation directories and files from the thumb drive to the hard disk. Install the boot loader, and away you go. Okay, so who can tell me which bootloader is written into a thumb drive's boot sector, when the Fedora LiveUSB Creator tool prepares a USB flash drive using one of the installation iso images? The bootloader is called SYSLINUX: http://www.syslinux.org/ IThey include DOS binaries. Unfortunately, the copy of DOS included on the Windows 98 boot disk does not have a USB mass storage driver (or any sort of USB driver for that matter), though you might have some luck with this stuff: http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm That being said, the easiest solution IMHO is to plug its hard drive into a different machine and do the install there. --T.C. That would probably *not* be a good idea, unless the other machine is identical. The install process customizes the system to fit the hardware it finds--video, sound, hard drive controller, Ethernet chip, etc. It's very likely that when you moved the drive back to your original machine, nothing would work. --doug -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot with 1.44" Floppy, then net install from thumb drive?
On 1/2/13, M de Luis wrote: > When I copied the Net installation iso of Fedora to my USB flash drive using > the Fedora LiveUSB creator, I noticed that the pre-existing FAT32 filesystem > on the thumb drive had been unaltered, and that DOS readable files for the > live image and Network installation had been added in 4-new directories. > Presumably some sort of boot loader, that is able to read the FAT32 > filesystem files, was added to the boot sector region of the flash drive. As > soon as I am able to recreate this mystery boot loader's installation > process for a FAT32 formatted IDE drive, then the problem is licked. It's no > effort to boot the laptop from a Windows98 rescue disk using the floppy > drive, create a temporarily bootable DOS partition for the Net installation > files, and then given the bios' legacy USB support will allow, merely copy > the appropriate installation directories and files from the thumb drive to > the hard disk. Install the boot loader, and away you go. > > Okay, so who can tell me which bootloader is written into a thumb drive's > boot sector, when the Fedora LiveUSB Creator tool prepares a USB flash drive > using one of the installation iso images? The bootloader is called SYSLINUX: http://www.syslinux.org/ IThey include DOS binaries. Unfortunately, the copy of DOS included on the Windows 98 boot disk does not have a USB mass storage driver (or any sort of USB driver for that matter), though you might have some luck with this stuff: http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm That being said, the easiest solution IMHO is to plug its hard drive into a different machine and do the install there. --T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot with 1.44" Floppy, then net install from thumb drive?
Hello Michael. Thanks for your very welcome message and assistance. Yep, it looks as though the only USB hardware that my bios understands during setup or boot is the USB floppy drive that came with the laptop. The bios' USB legacy setting does affect the ability to boot as you have correctly indicated, but only for the recognized floppy drive. I tried connecting other USB devices such as cameras and memory card readers, but nothing seems to interest the bios except the floppy drive. That being the case, then I'm not all that confident that booting from an external USB CD drive would achieve success. Happily there may be a simpler solution. I had a quick look at the PXE server idea that you proposed too, Michael. This is a new concept for me, and I'll come back to it for a better appreciation when I get a quiet moment. I think it could be installed on an old FC10 system that I haven't run much for a while now, though I came to a point where the setup complexity began to look excessive, especially when contrast against temporarily shifting the laptop hard drive to a USB bootable machine for the installation, then hoping it remains operational when transferred back to the laptop. Well, both plans have their drawbacks, though I think a more satisfactory work-around may exist. When I copied the Net installation iso of Fedora to my USB flash drive using the Fedora LiveUSB creator, I noticed that the pre-existing FAT32 filesystem on the thumb drive had been unaltered, and that DOS readable files for the live image and Network installation had been added in 4-new directories. Presumably some sort of boot loader, that is able to read the FAT32 filesystem files, was added to the boot sector region of the flash drive. As soon as I am able to recreate this mystery boot loader's installation process for a FAT32 formatted IDE drive, then the problem is licked. It's no effort to boot the laptop from a Windows98 rescue disk using the floppy drive, create a temporarily bootable DOS partition for the Net installation files, and then given the bios' legacy USB support will allow, merely copy the appropriate installation directories and files from the thumb drive to the hard disk. Install the boot loader, and away you go. Okay, so who can tell me which bootloader is written into a thumb drive's boot sector, when the Fedora LiveUSB Creator tool prepares a USB flash drive using one of the installation iso images? Very long winded, sorry. Thanks for the read, and for any contributions toward consideration and resolution of the matter. T. From: Michael D. Setzer II To: M de Luis Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Boot with 1.44" Floppy, then net install from thumb drive? A couple of questions. Are you 100% that it will not boot from a flash? Many bios require that a flash has to be plugged in to the system to actually select it as a boot device. Second, you may have to set an option for legacy USB as well. On another issue, it might be worth seeing if you could get an USB external CDROM and perhaps have it boot from that. Don't think a floppy would be able to load any linux kernel. You might be able to get a boot loader link syslinux or grub4dos, but don't know what it would require to then pass control to a usb. If it has network boot, you could setup a PXE server, but that seems to be a lot of setup and requirements. Would suggest looking into the bios options and usb cdrom. On 1 Jan 2013 at 19:48, M de Luis wrote: Date sent: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 19:48:15 -0800 (PST) From: M de Luis Subject: Boot with 1.44" Floppy, then net install from thumb drive? To: "users@lists.fedoraproject.org" Send reply to: M de Luis , Community support for Fedora users <mailto:users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org?subject=unsubscribe> <mailto:users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org?subject=subscribe> > My old NEC Versa P440 laptop computer has no working CD drive, and > can't boot off a USB thumb drive. It does have a USB connected 1.44" > floppy drive that came with a rescue disk, so I believe that it may be > able to boot off that. Okay then, how do I make a 1.44" Linux boot > disk (boot/ root pair?) with enough USB capability to let me mount a > USB thumb drive, one loaded with a Net based Fedora installation iso? > Bit confused about how I might invoke the USB stick's Network based > installation then, should I actually manage to get a boot a > basic system up from floppies? Please, just vague ideas are all > that's really required. If there are any relevant links with > which I could be very gratefully provisioned, then I'm sure to > realize a solution, provided that one may be possible in this case. > T. :-) +--+ Michael D.
Re: Boot with 1.44" Floppy, then net install from thumb drive?
M de Luis writes: My old NEC Versa P440 laptop computer has no working CD drive, and can't boot off a USB thumb drive. It does have a USB connected 1.44" floppy drive that came with a rescue disk, so I believe that it may be able to boot off that. Okay then, how do I make a 1.44" Linux boot disk (boot/ root pair?) with enough USB capability to let me mount a USB thumb drive, one loaded with a Net based Fedora installation iso? Bit confused about how I might invoke the USB stick's Network based installation then, should I actually manage to get a boot a basic system up from floppies? Please, just vague ideas are all that's really required. If there are any relevant links with which I could be very gratefully provisioned, then I'm sure to realize a solution, provided that one may be possible in this case. Unless my brain cells are giving out, old 3.5" floppies hold only 1.44mb of data. Given that a modern kernel is already four times that big, I just can't see any way of bootstrapping off that. I don't think that even grub can fit onto a floppy (let's revisit the entire escapade of grub blowing up when the first partition starts at sector 63). There might be ancient Linux distros, based around circa 2.0-version kernels floating out there, that might have a boot/root install path. But kernels of that vintage are not likely to have much, if any USB support. You'll just have to get that CD drive fixed. pgptN36mur7nw.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Boot with 1.44" Floppy, then net install from thumb drive?
My old NEC Versa P440 laptop computer has no working CD drive, and can't boot off a USB thumb drive. It does have a USB connected 1.44" floppy drive that came with a rescue disk, so I believe that it may be able to boot off that. Okay then, how do I make a 1.44" Linux boot disk (boot/ root pair?) with enough USB capability to let me mount a USB thumb drive, one loaded with a Net based Fedora installation iso? Bit confused about how I might invoke the USB stick's Network based installation then, should I actually manage to get a boot a basic system up from floppies? Please, just vague ideas are all that's really required. If there are any relevant links with which I could be very gratefully provisioned, then I'm sure to realize a solution, provided that one may be possible in this case. T. :-)-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
kernel floppy driver is broken?
When I do (at F17 i686 kernel 3.5.2) high-level FAT floppy disc
format ("mformat a:" which work with /dev/fd0), then mformat process
will remain forever in uninterruptible sleep state, thus is
non-killable. Ejecting floppy not solve this too, and it seems as
machine reboot is only solution (I'd like to mislead).
Although this situation is perhaps induced by some defect on floppy
disc, it seems as floppy driver is broken. Should it have some efect
bugreport this issue, or fd is dead kernel module yet?
Franta Hanzlik
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Re: BeOS [WAS: Re: Cannot mount usb floppy]
On 7 May 2012 16:38, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: >>> >>> Wow! Another BeOS'er! I've still got my original box and CD. It's a >>> shame it went defunct. It was way ahead of it's time. >> >> I was mostly a OS/2 Warp 4.x zealot by then,but yes, I got to play with BeOS >> (4.5 if I remember correctly). >> >> This whole ordeal with the diskette image started when I read about this >> effort to revive the BeOS spirit... >> >> http://www.haiku-os.org > > I've known about it for quite some time but it looks like they're > finally getting to something usable. There was also a project to > create a BeOS like system on top of the regular linux kernel to take > advantage of the larger driver base but while practical, I never liked > that idea because BeOS was always about a micro kernel not a > monolithic kernel. > I first saw Haiku when I went through a few months of being keen on Windows desktop theming (litestep anyone?) that was a about a decade ago, rather glad I didn't try holding my breath. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: BeOS [WAS: Re: Cannot mount usb floppy]
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: >> >> Wow! Another BeOS'er! I've still got my original box and CD. It's a >> shame it went defunct. It was way ahead of it's time. > > > Yes. :) > > I was mostly a OS/2 Warp 4.x zealot by then,but yes, I got to play with BeOS > (4.5 if I remember correctly). > > This whole ordeal with the diskette image started when I read about this > effort to revive the BeOS spirit... > > http://www.haiku-os.org I've known about it for quite some time but it looks like they're finally getting to something usable. There was also a project to create a BeOS like system on top of the regular linux kernel to take advantage of the larger driver base but while practical, I never liked that idea because BeOS was always about a micro kernel not a monolithic kernel. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: BeOS [WAS: Re: Cannot mount usb floppy]
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: > Wow! Another BeOS'er! I've still got my original box and CD. It's a > shame it went defunct. It was way ahead of it's time. > Yes. :) I was mostly a OS/2 Warp 4.x zealot by then,but yes, I got to play with BeOS (4.5 if I remember correctly). This whole ordeal with the diskette image started when I read about this effort to revive the BeOS spirit... http://www.haiku-os.org FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot mount usb floppy
On 05/07/2012 09:33 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Thanks, Good pointer Ian. And thanks everyone else who also replied. In the end, I decided not to lose any more time with this (after all, all I wanted to do was backing up an ancient BeOS install diskettte to a diskette image file), and proceeded to do this on a WinXP machine then email the diskette image file to myself, which I then downloaded on the Linux box :) No worries. :-) For the record, many USB floppy drives don't support Double Density disks (720k if you like) either... as I found out a few years ago when trying to use it to bootstrap an old Amiga with limited connectivity :) -- Ian Chapman. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
BeOS [WAS: Re: Cannot mount usb floppy]
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Good pointer Ian. And thanks everyone else who also replied. In the end, I > decided not to lose any more time with this (after all, all I wanted to do > was backing up an ancient BeOS install diskettte to a diskette image file), > and proceeded to do this on a WinXP machine then email the diskette image > file to myself, which I then downloaded on the Linux box :) Wow! Another BeOS'er! I've still got my original box and CD. It's a shame it went defunct. It was way ahead of it's time. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot mount usb floppy
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Ian Chapman wrote: > It may be that the drive isn't getting enough power. I've seen similar > issues with external USB hard disks where they can't get enough power and > reset a lot. Thanks, Good pointer Ian. And thanks everyone else who also replied. In the end, I decided not to lose any more time with this (after all, all I wanted to do was backing up an ancient BeOS install diskettte to a diskette image file), and proceeded to do this on a WinXP machine then email the diskette image file to myself, which I then downloaded on the Linux box :) FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot mount usb floppy
On 05/03/2012 03:41 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: The device that initially shows in lsusb is later removed. # lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0aec:3260 Neodio Technologies Corp. 7-in-1 Card Reader Thoughts? comments? the same unit works fine when connected to a winXP machine It may be that the drive isn't getting enough power. I've seen similar issues with external USB hard disks where they can't get enough power and reset a lot. Using a dual USB cable or external PSU fixes it but there's a lot of differences between machines. Other than that, I have an external Toshiba USB drive and that works fine - but obviously not the same model as yours. -- Ian Chapman. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot mount usb floppy
On 05/03/2012 12:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Yes, pen drives. Those work. Odd. Not odd at all. It just means that your hardware is fine. Have you tried commenting out the floppy line in fstab and trying again? It's possible that there's something in it that's making trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot mount usb floppy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/03/2012 02:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Joe Zeff mailto:j...@zeff.us>> wrote: > > OK, the device itself is good. Â Have you connected any other usb devices to that port to make sure the port's good? Â Not that I think it isn't, but it never hurts to be sure. > > > Yes, pen drives. Those work. Odd. > > I have in /etc/fstab > > /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto rw,sync,user,noauto,nosuid,exec,nodev 0 0 > > After all these years (my first Linux was Caldera in 1999) I find it mind-blowing that mounting devices is still the same mess as usual when every other modern OS detects and mounts devices automagically > > Oh well... > FC > > > One thing to keep in mind is that a USB floppy drive will not be /dev/fd0. It will show up as a SCSI drive. I believe that yours showed up as /dev/sdg. Mikkel - -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+ia74ACgkQqbQrVW3JyMQqVQCdHD7SJ2co8XOHMVCNzno+emyV AmwAn0AUTKwzEs29yBy4mlxdVlPVkgPS =uPxP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot mount usb floppy
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > OK, the device itself is good. Have you connected any other usb devices > to that port to make sure the port's good? Not that I think it isn't, but > it never hurts to be sure. Yes, pen drives. Those work. Odd. I have in /etc/fstab /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto rw,sync,user,noauto,nosuid,exec,nodev 0 0 After all these years (my first Linux was Caldera in 1999) I find it mind-blowing that mounting devices is still the same mess as usual when every other modern OS detects and mounts devices automagically Oh well... FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Cannot mount usb floppy
On 05/03/2012 12:41 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: Thoughts? comments? the same unit works fine when connected to a winXP machine OK, the device itself is good. Have you connected any other usb devices to that port to make sure the port's good? Not that I think it isn't, but it never hurts to be sure. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Cannot mount usb floppy
# lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0aec:3260 Neodio Technologies Corp. 7-in-1 Card Reader Bus 002 Device 023: ID 0424:0fdc Standard Microsystems Corp. Floppy (clicking noises) #dmesg [37282.875102] scsi 15:0:0:0: Direct-Access SMSC USB FDC 2.10 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS [37282.877379] sd 15:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg5 type 0 [37284.213025] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37284.986062] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37285.761067] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37287.297044] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37288.836053] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37290.373049] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37291.904037] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37293.437042] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37294.974053] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37296.510051] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37298.047033] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37299.582025] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37301.112045] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37302.649030] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37304.185050] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37305.720087] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37307.257047] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37308.795036] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37310.327031] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd [37311.864049] usb 2-3: reset full-speed USB device number 18 using ohci_hcd The device that initially shows in lsusb is later removed. # lsusb Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0aec:3260 Neodio Technologies Corp. 7-in-1 Card Reader Thoughts? comments? the same unit works fine when connected to a winXP machine FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Paul Allen Newell wrote: My memory is that on either F13 or F14, I was unable to get my floppys to be recognized no matter what I did and there were some existing bugs out on such. I never saw a resolution posted and have assumed that "it ain't going to happen" From FC3 to F14 my floppies were mounted automatically. There was a while with F14 that they would not mount. Don't know why. With F15, I had to [root@localhost dev]# modprobe floppy to mount a floppy and I had to do it by hand. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "On Monday, I'm gonna have to tell my kindergarten class, whom I teach not to run with scissors, that my fiance ran me through with a broadsword." -- Lily -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On 3/28/2012 5:24 PM, Patrick Lists wrote: On 03/29/2012 02:04 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 3/28/2012 4:18 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/28/2012 04:07 PM, Patrick Lists wrote: No idea if it makes any difference but I always did: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy Yes, that's right. Checking the man page, that's the right way to format the command. And, of course, /mnt/floppy must already exist. My memory is that on either F13 or F14, I was unable to get my floppys to be recognized no matter what I did and there were some existing bugs out on such. I never saw a resolution posted and have assumed that "it ain't going to happen" In that case maybe you can try a CentOS 6 Live CD/DVD and see if it can read the floppy. Maybe parts of it are old enough to still appreciate that floppy. Regards, Patrick Patrick: Thanks for the suggestion. My solution was get all material on floppys onto CD/DVD and put the floppy drive in the same closet as the 8-track tape player (smile) Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On 03/29/2012 02:04 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 3/28/2012 4:18 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/28/2012 04:07 PM, Patrick Lists wrote: No idea if it makes any difference but I always did: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy Yes, that's right. Checking the man page, that's the right way to format the command. And, of course, /mnt/floppy must already exist. My memory is that on either F13 or F14, I was unable to get my floppys to be recognized no matter what I did and there were some existing bugs out on such. I never saw a resolution posted and have assumed that "it ain't going to happen" In that case maybe you can try a CentOS 6 Live CD/DVD and see if it can read the floppy. Maybe parts of it are old enough to still appreciate that floppy. Regards, Patrick -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On 3/28/2012 4:18 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/28/2012 04:07 PM, Patrick Lists wrote: No idea if it makes any difference but I always did: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy Yes, that's right. Checking the man page, that's the right way to format the command. And, of course, /mnt/floppy must already exist. My memory is that on either F13 or F14, I was unable to get my floppys to be recognized no matter what I did and there were some existing bugs out on such. I never saw a resolution posted and have assumed that "it ain't going to happen" Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Patrick Lists wrote: On 03/29/2012 12:50 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Yes it is a msdos formatted flopyy. Thus, I cannot mount it? No idea if it makes any difference but I always did: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy Same thing If that does not help, some suggestions for a couple of things to check: - is it supposed to be /dev/fd0? Did you check in /var/log/messages could it be /dev/fd or /dev/fd1 or something else? Mar 28 15:48:45 eschyle kernel: [1361320.794218] Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M - do you have the floppy kernel module loaded? lsmod |grep floppy floppy 46307 0 - did you check the output of ls -l /dev/fd*? Does it look ok? lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 13 Mar 12 20:42 /dev/fd -> /proc/self/fd brwxrwxrwx. 1 root floppy 2, 0 Mar 28 19:55 /dev/fd0 brw-rw. 1 root floppy 2, 84 Mar 28 15:48 /dev/fd0u1040 brw-rw. 1 root floppy 2, 88 Mar 28 15:48 /dev/fd0u1120 brw-rw. 1 root floppy 2, 28 Mar 28 15:48 /dev/fd0u1440 - is /mnt/floppy ok? Do you have the proper rights to access it? ls -l /mnt/ total 28 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 4096 Nov 11 2010 backup drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 4096 Nov 11 2010 backup2 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 4096 Dec 11 21:40 cdrom drwxrwxrwx. 2 root root 4096 Mar 28 15:58 floppy - if all else fails, blame SELinux for keeping you safe from those pesky floppy viruses and temporarily do setenforce 0 and try again Regards, Patrick -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| | Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | | Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | | email: patrick.du...@york.ac.uk ==-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On 03/28/2012 04:07 PM, Patrick Lists wrote: No idea if it makes any difference but I always did: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy Yes, that's right. Checking the man page, that's the right way to format the command. And, of course, /mnt/floppy must already exist. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On 03/29/2012 12:50 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Yes it is a msdos formatted flopyy. Thus, I cannot mount it? No idea if it makes any difference but I always did: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy If that does not help, some suggestions for a couple of things to check: - is it supposed to be /dev/fd0? Did you check in /var/log/messages could it be /dev/fd or /dev/fd1 or something else? - do you have the floppy kernel module loaded? - did you check the output of ls -l /dev/fd*? Does it look ok? - is /mnt/floppy ok? Do you have the proper rights to access it? - if all else fails, blame SELinux for keeping you safe from those pesky floppy viruses and temporarily do setenforce 0 and try again Regards, Patrick -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/28/2012 03:50 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Yes it is a msdos formatted flopyy. Thus, I cannot mount it? What error message do you get when you try? Just no message. no error, but the floppy is not mounted! -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| | Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | | Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | | email: patrick.du...@york.ac.uk ==-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On 03/28/2012 03:50 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Yes it is a msdos formatted flopyy. Thus, I cannot mount it? What error message do you get when you try? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Mark LaPierre wrote: On 03/28/2012 11:14 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, man I make a mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t msdos every thing seems OK (no complain), but it is just not mounted: df does not show it and I can redo the command again and again! mformat A: works fine! Thank for your help. Is this floppy formatted with a DOS FAT partition? You can't mount it if there's no file system. Yes it is a msdos formatted flopyy. Thus, I cannot mount it? thank. -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| | Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | | Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | | email: patrick.du...@york.ac.uk ==-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: floppy
On 03/28/2012 11:14 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, man I make a mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t msdos every thing seems OK (no complain), but it is just not mounted: df does not show it and I can redo the command again and again! mformat A: works fine! Thank for your help. Is this floppy formatted with a DOS FAT partition? You can't mount it if there's no file system. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
floppy
Hello, man I make a mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t msdos every thing seems OK (no complain), but it is just not mounted: df does not show it and I can redo the command again and again! mformat A: works fine! Thank for your help. -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| | Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | | Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | | email: patrick.du...@york.ac.uk ==-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
floppy accessed but would't reads
Hello, I have tried about all suggested tricks, I got to the point where the it shows the floppy icon. If I double click on the floppy icon the diskette is accessed and try to read it, and then the message appears, "Unable to mount location no media in the drive". the drive and the media works fine with Windows. Any suggestion? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
On 08/17/2011 10:01 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >> Added info: On reboot, one has to modprobe all over >> again (F13, 14). Auto-detection of floppy device no longer >> works, or so it seems. > Just run: > > echo modprobe floppy >> /etc/rc.local > > to add that command to rc.local so it is run on every boot. Thanks for the tip! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > Added info: On reboot, one has to modprobe all over > again (F13, 14). Auto-detection of floppy device no longer > works, or so it seems. Just run: echo modprobe floppy >> /etc/rc.local to add that command to rc.local so it is run on every boot. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
On 08/17/2011 09:41 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 08/16/2011 11:50 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: >> On 8/16/2011 7:52 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >>>> mount -t msdos /dev/fd0u1440 /mnt/floppy >>>> >>>> See URL: >>>> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-13-mounting-floppy-813466/ >>>> >>> Worked for me on F13. Cannot speak for later versions. >> I am off floppys at this point, but I'd be curious to see if anyone >> tries this on F14. >> >> Paul > Ok, I loaded the LiveCD F14, opened a terminal, > typed: modprobe floppy, opened Computer icon, > the umounted floppy icon appears, inserted the w95 > floppy, double-clicked floppy icon, it mounted, displayed > w95 contents. So, it worked. Note: if floppy was inserted > prior to modprobe, it does not automount - you have to > double-click the unmounted floppy in order to see the > contents. Older versions of Fedora used to automount > the floppy when it was inserted - this feature was removed > in later fedora versions, or so it seems. > > I tried the same for LiveCD F15, did modprobe for which > the unmounted floppy icon appeared, but I was not able > to mount nor open floppy. This mechanism appears to be > broken. Did not try the manual mount as posted in this > thread. > > FWIW, > Dan Added info: On reboot, one has to modprobe all over again (F13, 14). Auto-detection of floppy device no longer works, or so it seems. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
On 08/16/2011 11:50 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 8/16/2011 7:52 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >>> mount -t msdos /dev/fd0u1440 /mnt/floppy >>> >>> See URL: >>> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-13-mounting-floppy-813466/ >>> >> Worked for me on F13. Cannot speak for later versions. > I am off floppys at this point, but I'd be curious to see if anyone > tries this on F14. > > Paul Ok, I loaded the LiveCD F14, opened a terminal, typed: modprobe floppy, opened Computer icon, the umounted floppy icon appears, inserted the w95 floppy, double-clicked floppy icon, it mounted, displayed w95 contents. So, it worked. Note: if floppy was inserted prior to modprobe, it does not automount - you have to double-click the unmounted floppy in order to see the contents. Older versions of Fedora used to automount the floppy when it was inserted - this feature was removed in later fedora versions, or so it seems. I tried the same for LiveCD F15, did modprobe for which the unmounted floppy icon appeared, but I was not able to mount nor open floppy. This mechanism appears to be broken. Did not try the manual mount as posted in this thread. FWIW, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
sleazy easy solution, get a USB floppy drive, then the media will appear as /dev/sdX. That's what I did for those rare occasions when I have to retrieve a file off of old media. I still have a digital camera that uses floppy media too. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 8/16/2011 7:52 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >> >>> mount -t msdos /dev/fd0u1440 /mnt/floppy >>> >>> See URL: >>> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-13-mounting-floppy-813466/ >>> >> Worked for me on F13. Cannot speak for later versions. > > I am off floppys at this point, but I'd be curious to see if anyone > tries this on F14. > > Paul MAKEDEV fd # 'yum install MAKEDEV' if isn't mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppypoint # should select right floppy format (as root) works for me at 2.6.40-4.fc15.i686.PAE Franta Hanzlik -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
On 8/16/2011 7:52 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > >> mount -t msdos /dev/fd0u1440 /mnt/floppy >> >> See URL: >> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-13-mounting-floppy-813466/ >> > Worked for me on F13. Cannot speak for later versions. I am off floppys at this point, but I'd be curious to see if anyone tries this on F14. Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
On 08/16/2011 11:34 AM, Jon Ingason wrote: > 2011-08-16 19:57, Vinny Onelli skrev: >> Hello, >> I installed vmware and now I would like to install windows Me. The >> windows me CD it is not bootable it came with bootable diskette, vmware >> to install windows need the operating system which is on the floppy. The >> problem is that I could not mount the floppy, (I am using Fedora 14) I >> try few suggested away in the past with no result. Is the floppy >> supported in Fc14? and if it is I would appreciate direction of how to, >> thank you in advance. Vinny >> > Do a"modprobe floppy" first. Then you get the floppy device in /dev: > > /dev/fd0u1040 > /dev/fd0u1120 > /dev/fd0u1440 > /dev/fd0u1600 > /dev/fd0u1680 > /dev/fd0u1722 > /dev/fd0u1743 > /dev/fd0u1760 > /dev/fd0u1840 > /dev/fd0u1920 > /dev/fd0u360 > /dev/fd0u720 > /dev/fd0u800 > /dev/fd0u820 > /dev/fd0u830 > > Now you can create the directory /mnt/floppy and mount your floppy to > that point: > > mount -t msdos /dev/fd0u1440 /mnt/floppy > > See URL: > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-13-mounting-floppy-813466/ > Worked for me on F13. Cannot speak for later versions. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:29:44 -0700 Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 8/16/2011 10:57 AM, Vinny Onelli wrote: > > Is the floppy > > supported in Fc14? > > > See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567533 (amongst other > bugs). My floppy drive has been dead for a couple releases ... I figure > that media has gone the way of the 8-track tape I think thats more of an upstream thing. Basically the floppy driver isn't used any more and has no real maintainer. If you want your floppy to work and like arguing with well documented but ancient hardware that rather like a grumpy old relative plays up and sulks if not treated the way it wants then it's your opportunity for a moment of retro-glory. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
On 8/16/2011 10:57 AM, Vinny Onelli wrote: > Is the floppy > supported in Fc14? > See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567533 (amongst other bugs). My floppy drive has been dead for a couple releases ... I figure that media has gone the way of the 8-track tape Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to mount floppy?
2011-08-16 19:57, Vinny Onelli skrev: > Hello, > I installed vmware and now I would like to install windows Me. The > windows me CD it is not bootable it came with bootable diskette, vmware > to install windows need the operating system which is on the floppy. The > problem is that I could not mount the floppy, (I am using Fedora 14) I > try few suggested away in the past with no result. Is the floppy > supported in Fc14? and if it is I would appreciate direction of how to, > thank you in advance. Vinny > Do a"modprobe floppy" first. Then you get the floppy device in /dev: /dev/fd0u1040 /dev/fd0u1120 /dev/fd0u1440 /dev/fd0u1600 /dev/fd0u1680 /dev/fd0u1722 /dev/fd0u1743 /dev/fd0u1760 /dev/fd0u1840 /dev/fd0u1920 /dev/fd0u360 /dev/fd0u720 /dev/fd0u800 /dev/fd0u820 /dev/fd0u830 Now you can create the directory /mnt/floppy and mount your floppy to that point: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0u1440 /mnt/floppy See URL: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-13-mounting-floppy-813466/ -- Regards Jon Ingason -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
How to mount floppy?
Hello, I installed vmware and now I would like to install windows Me. The windows me CD it is not bootable it came with bootable diskette, vmware to install windows need the operating system which is on the floppy. The problem is that I could not mount the floppy, (I am using Fedora 14) I try few suggested away in the past with no result. Is the floppy supported in Fc14? and if it is I would appreciate direction of how to, thank you in advance. Vinny -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 15:00:24 -0400, Vincent Onelli wrote: > I loose the floppy Icon every time I reboot. To get it back I need to > run "modprobe floppy", this may not be too much of problem, but I still > can't access the diskette when I try to access it by double click the > icon the message appears "unable to mount location no media in the > drive" , by the way the diskette and floppy are OK with windows I also > try few other diskette. I do not know how to access from command line. > Any idea what else I could be doing wrong? This is due to a decision the kernel team made to balance easy floppy use for old hardware and broken bios that cause long delays when checking for floppy drives that aren't there. Kyle had an idea how to make something that would be better in most cases, but I don't think he has had a chance to implement it yet. More background is in: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537741 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=565693 The email thread beginning with: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kernel/2010-April/002394.html Putting the modprobe floppy in rc.local I think will work as a work around. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
> Subject: Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find > On 08/12/2010 02:00 PM, Vincent Onelli wrote: > >>>> Hello, > >>>> I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it > >>>> didn't mount. > >>>> Here is what I did: > >>>> # mkdir /mnt/floppy > >>>> > >>>> # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy > >>>> mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist > >>>> > >>>> I look in the dev directory the fd0 does not exist. > >>>> I will appreciate help > >>>> and thank you in advace > >>>> Vinny > >>>> > >>> try modprobe floppy first. > >>> > >> did, no change. > >> > >> oops.. My apology I recall the previous entry that I was try different > >> dir "etc" I correct to "dev" and every thing works fine. > >> thank you very much. > >> vinny > >> > > I loose the floppy Icon every time I reboot. To get it back I need to > > run "modprobe floppy", this may not be too much of problem, but I still > > can't access the diskette when I try to access it by double click the > > icon the message appears "unable to mount location no media in the > > drive" , by the way the diskette and floppy are OK with windows I also > > try few other diskette. I do not know how to access from command line. > > Any idea what else I could be doing wrong? > > I had that problem because I did not have the floppy drive connected > when I did the install. As a result, anaconda did not create the > /etc/modprobe.d/floppy-pnp.conf file: > > $ cat floppy-pnp.conf > alias pnp:dPNP0700 floppy > alias acpi:PNP0700: floppy > > With that file in place, my floppy drive gets recognized at boot time > just fine. I do not have those files is there way to make them? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
> From: James Mckenzie > Subject: Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find > Vincent Onelli wrote: > >> > On 08/08/2010 12:32 PM, Vincent wrote: > >> > > Hello, > >> > > I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it > >> > > didn't mount. > >> > > Here is what I did: > >> > > # mkdir /mnt/floppy > >> > > > >> > > # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy > >> > > mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist > >> > > > >> > > I look in the dev directory the fd0 does not exist. > >> > > I will appreciate help > >> > > and thank you in advace > >> > > Vinny > >> > > > >> > try modprobe floppy first. > >> > > >> did, no change. > >> > >> oops.. My apology I recall the previous entry that I was try different > >> dir "etc" I correct to "dev" and every thing works fine. > >> thank you very much. > >> vinny > >> > >I loose the floppy Icon every time I reboot. To get it back I need to > >run "modprobe floppy", this may not be too much of problem, but I still > >can't access the diskette when I try to access it by double clicking the > >icon. The message appears "unable to mount location no media in the > >drive". By the way the diskette and floppy are OK with windows I also > >try few other diskette. I do not know how to access from command line. > > You can try to access the drive by typing in: > > cd /mnt/floppy (that is where is shows up on my system) > > and then > > ls > > This should list all of the files readable on the drive. > > > >Any idea what else I could be doing wrong? > > Don't know. Not many folks use floppy disks anymore. > > You did state that the disks are read/writable under Windows, correct? > > I'll verify that my disk drive works this evening as I still have one or two > around and a computer with a micro-floppy drive. > > James McKenzie > I try "$ cd /mnt/floppy $ ls it didn't show any files. I have 2 computer both behaving the same. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
On 08/12/2010 02:00 PM, Vincent Onelli wrote: >>> Subject: Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find >>>On 08/08/2010 12:32 PM, Vincent wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it >>>> didn't mount. >>>> Here is what I did: >>>> # mkdir /mnt/floppy >>>> >>>> # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy >>>> mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist >>>> >>>> I look in the dev directory the fd0 does not exist. >>>> I will appreciate help >>>> and thank you in advace >>>> Vinny >>>> >>> try modprobe floppy first. >>> >> did, no change. >> >> oops.. My apology I recall the previous entry that I was try different >> dir "etc" I correct to "dev" and every thing works fine. >> thank you very much. >> vinny >> > I loose the floppy Icon every time I reboot. To get it back I need to > run "modprobe floppy", this may not be too much of problem, but I still > can't access the diskette when I try to access it by double click the > icon the message appears "unable to mount location no media in the > drive" , by the way the diskette and floppy are OK with windows I also > try few other diskette. I do not know how to access from command line. > Any idea what else I could be doing wrong? I had that problem because I did not have the floppy drive connected when I did the install. As a result, anaconda did not create the /etc/modprobe.d/floppy-pnp.conf file: $ cat floppy-pnp.conf alias pnp:dPNP0700 floppy alias acpi:PNP0700: floppy With that file in place, my floppy drive gets recognized at boot time just fine. -- Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
Vincent Onelli wrote: >Sent: Aug 12, 2010 12:00 PM >To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find > >> > Subject: Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find >> > On 08/08/2010 12:32 PM, Vincent wrote: >> > > Hello, >> > > I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it >> > > didn't mount. >> > > Here is what I did: >> > > # mkdir /mnt/floppy >> > > >> > > # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy >> > > mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist >> > > >> > > I look in the dev directory the fd0 does not exist. >> > > I will appreciate help >> > > and thank you in advace >> > > Vinny >> > > >> > try modprobe floppy first. >> > >> did, no change. >> >> oops.. My apology I recall the previous entry that I was try different >> dir "etc" I correct to "dev" and every thing works fine. >> thank you very much. >> vinny >> >I loose the floppy Icon every time I reboot. To get it back I need to >run "modprobe floppy", this may not be too much of problem, but I still >can't access the diskette when I try to access it by double clicking the >icon. The message appears "unable to mount location no media in the >drive". By the way the diskette and floppy are OK with windows I also >try few other diskette. I do not know how to access from command line. You can try to access the drive by typing in: cd /mnt/floppy (that is where is shows up on my system) and then ls This should list all of the files readable on the drive. >Any idea what else I could be doing wrong? Don't know. Not many folks use floppy disks anymore. You did state that the disks are read/writable under Windows, correct? I'll verify that my disk drive works this evening as I still have one or two around and a computer with a micro-floppy drive. James McKenzie -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
> > Subject: Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find > > On 08/08/2010 12:32 PM, Vincent wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it > > > didn't mount. > > > Here is what I did: > > > # mkdir /mnt/floppy > > > > > > # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy > > > mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist > > > > > > I look in the dev directory the fd0 does not exist. > > > I will appreciate help > > > and thank you in advace > > > Vinny > > > > > try modprobe floppy first. > > > did, no change. > > oops.. My apology I recall the previous entry that I was try different > dir "etc" I correct to "dev" and every thing works fine. > thank you very much. > vinny > I loose the floppy Icon every time I reboot. To get it back I need to run "modprobe floppy", this may not be too much of problem, but I still can't access the diskette when I try to access it by double click the icon the message appears "unable to mount location no media in the drive" , by the way the diskette and floppy are OK with windows I also try few other diskette. I do not know how to access from command line. Any idea what else I could be doing wrong? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
> Subject: Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find > On 08/08/2010 12:32 PM, Vincent wrote: > > Hello, > > I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it > > didn't mount. > > Here is what I did: > > # mkdir /mnt/floppy > > > > # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy > > mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist > > > > I look in the dev directory the fd0 does not exist. > > I will appreciate help > > and thank you in advace > > Vinny > > > try modprobe floppy first. > did, no change. oops.. My apology I recall the previous entry that I was try different dir "etc" I correct to "dev" and every thing works fine. thank you very much. vinny -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
> Subject: Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find > On 08/08/2010 12:32 PM, Vincent wrote: > > Hello, > > I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it > > didn't mount. > > Here is what I did: > > # mkdir /mnt/floppy > > > > # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy > > mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist > > > > I look in the dev directory the fd0 does not exist. > > I will appreciate help > > and thank you in advace > > Vinny > > > try modprobe floppy first. > did, no change. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
Vincent wrote: > Hello, > I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it > didn't mount. > Here is what I did: > # mkdir /mnt/floppy > > # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy > mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist > Is there a disk in the drive? Sometimes a disk has to be in the drive in order for mount () to work properly. If the device is not available, are you sure that it is functional, and even more important, plugged in? During the boot process, does the light on the drive flash on and off? From what I read here, your floppy drive is dead and/or disconnected. James McKenzie -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy on fc12 could not find
On 08/08/2010 12:32 PM, Vincent wrote: > Hello, > I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it > didn't mount. > Here is what I did: > # mkdir /mnt/floppy > > # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy > mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist > > I look in the dev directory the fd0 does not exist. > I will appreciate help > and thank you in advace > Vinny > try modprobe floppy first. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Floppy on fc12 could not find
Hello, I am try to use the floppy on Dell Dimension 8300 with fc12 but it didn't mount. Here is what I did: # mkdir /mnt/floppy # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 mnt/floppy mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist I look in the dev directory the fd0 does not exist. I will appreciate help and thank you in advace Vinny -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 boot floppy??
On 05/08/10 21:00, Beartooth wrote: > > Yes, floppy. > Or unless there's a boot.iso, small enough for a CD, that I somehow failed to find.) What your looking for is called netinst.iso (sp?) You should find it on most of the mirrors: eg: http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/fedora/linux/releases/13/Fedora/i386/iso/ -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13 boot floppy??
Yes, floppy. I have an old Dell PowerEdge SC 1420, originally a server, now mainly for backups and bulk storage; I used to have to burn a boot.iso to CD, and put a Fedora DVD into an external USB drive in order to be able to upgrade it. Last time was much easier; preupgrade worked, no sweat, and it ran fine for a long while. Then I goofed it up. (Never mind how -- sheer stupidity, mistaking it for another machine on my LAN that did have trouble.) So I want to try F13 in rescue mode -- unless there's a better way. (Remember, it doesn't seem to be able to get its electrons around the idea of a DVD, even with Fedora and the external drive to help. Or unless there's a boot.iso, small enough for a CD, that I somehow failed to find.) Point is, it does seem to recognize an external USB floppy drive just fine, and maybe even be willing to boot from one ... -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Updating Bios Maybe useful to some (The you need a Boot Floppy type)
1: Download which iso you require: http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/ 2: yum install isomaster 3: add your unzipped bios files to the iso 4: burn the updated iso. This boot iso will not find you hard disks. * You also cannot save current bios to the cd* Have tested it with msi-7225 mb (3 flashes) YMMV -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thoughts on floppy disks
On Thursday 10 June 2010, Mike McCarty wrote: >Timothy Murphy wrote: > >[...] > >> Do floppy disks still exist? > >Yes, I've got several hundred. > And I have at least 2,000 or more, mostly 5.25" formatted for os9 (no not the mac os9, the trs-80 Color Computer version.) >> Are computers with floppy drives still being made? > >Yes. Recently I bought one which didn't have a floppy drive, >and I put one in. > >> It seems to me that as an absolute minimum >> any documentation mentioning floppy drives >> should at least explain how CDs can be used to the same end. But only if the bios understands El Torito booting. >Do I hear a volunteer, or do I hear a whiner? > >Mike -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Fun Facts, #14: In table tennis, whoever gets 21 points first wins. That's how it once was in baseball -- whoever got 21 runs first won. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thoughts on floppy disks
Timothy Murphy writes: I was recently following the advice in the Fedora-13 Installation Guide to setup a pxeboot server, and it recommended that one should read the syslinux documentation in /usr/share/doc/syslinux-3.84/syslinux.txt . (Actually, the Guide says syslinux.doc , but that seems to be a typo.) In any case, this document, which is dated 1994-2009, seems to be entirely concerned with "CREATING A BOOTABLE LINUX FLOPPY". The Fedora guide should probably tell people to read pxelinux.txt instead of syslinux.txt. When I had to figure out how to set up a pxeboot, I started reading pxelinux.txt, and its contents were sufficient enough for me to figure out how to get pxeboot set up. No floppy was required. pgpgLsj34nr7B.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thoughts on floppy disks
Timothy Murphy wrote:
[...]
> Do floppy disks still exist?
Yes, I've got several hundred.
> Are computers with floppy drives still being made?
Yes. Recently I bought one which didn't have a floppy drive,
and I put one in.
> It seems to me that as an absolute minimum
> any documentation mentioning floppy drives
> should at least explain how CDs can be used to the same end.
Do I hear a volunteer, or do I hear a whiner?
Mike
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Re: Thoughts on floppy disks
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Timothy Murphy wrote: >> It seems to me that as an absolute minimum >> any documentation mentioning floppy drives >> should at least explain how CDs can be used to the same end. >> > Should we read this as "I am starting a crusade to research the proper > solution > for each program I find, and contribute updated documentation to the > maintainers?" Or "It would save me some effort if someone else would do this?" I think it's more of a long-winded version of "Get a real computer.". -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thoughts on floppy disks
Timothy Murphy wrote: > I was recently following the advice in the Fedora-13 Installation Guide > to setup a pxeboot server, > and it recommended that one should read the syslinux documentation > in /usr/share/doc/syslinux-3.84/syslinux.txt . > (Actually, the Guide says syslinux.doc , but that seems to be a typo.) > > In any case, this document, which is dated 1994-2009, > seems to be entirely concerned with "CREATING A BOOTABLE LINUX FLOPPY". > > There are several other places in the Fedora-13 documentation > where I have come across mention of floppy disks. > (And several Linux programs spend time looking for /dev/fd0 .) > > Do floppy disks still exist? > Are computers with floppy drives still being made? > Yes, and computers are being sold which do BIOS upgrades from magic format floppy, not CD. > It seems to me that as an absolute minimum > any documentation mentioning floppy drives > should at least explain how CDs can be used to the same end. > Should we read this as "I am starting a crusade to research the proper solution for each program I find, and contribute updated documentation to the maintainers?" Or "It would save me some effort if someone else would do this?" -- Bill Davidsen "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Thoughts on floppy disks
I was recently following the advice in the Fedora-13 Installation Guide to setup a pxeboot server, and it recommended that one should read the syslinux documentation in /usr/share/doc/syslinux-3.84/syslinux.txt . (Actually, the Guide says syslinux.doc , but that seems to be a typo.) In any case, this document, which is dated 1994-2009, seems to be entirely concerned with "CREATING A BOOTABLE LINUX FLOPPY". There are several other places in the Fedora-13 documentation where I have come across mention of floppy disks. (And several Linux programs spend time looking for /dev/fd0 .) Do floppy disks still exist? Are computers with floppy drives still being made? It seems to me that as an absolute minimum any documentation mentioning floppy drives should at least explain how CDs can be used to the same end. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Setup a Floppy in Fedora 13
Mike McCarty wrote:
[...]
> Is the problem that your machine's BIOS doesn't know how to boot
> from a CD-ROM? If so, then may I suggest you use Smart Boot Manager?
>
> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Smart_Boot_Manager
>
> I've used it for years, and find it quite adequate for my needs.
Addendum: I don't install it on hard discs, I install it on
floppies only.
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Re: Setup a Floppy in Fedora 13
Jim wrote:
> On 05/28/2010 04:20 PM, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> Jim wrote:
>>
>>> How do you setup a floppy in FC 13 fstab.
>>>
>>> I can boot off of a dos disk at startup, but I have a floppy that was
>>> formatted by WinXP Pro and it won't boot up or mount -t ntfs-3g
>>> /dev/floppy /mnt/floppy , ntfs-3g is installed.
>>>
>>> I assumed it is a ntfs type file system .
>>>
>> I suspect you are wrong, and it's FAT12.
>>
>>
>>> I want to dual boot WinXP pro with Fedora 13 and I don't have a boot
>>> WinXP CD.
>>>
>> How do you plan to install WinXP?
>>
>> Mike
>>
> I'm trying to use a boot floppy to get me to d: so I can run "Setup"
Ok, so it doesn't matter whether you can read it with Linux.
You aren't trying to boot the CD-ROM, because it isn't bootable.
Is it some sort of "upgrade" disc?
I don't understand what your goal is. Is D: a CD-ROM reader?
I'm beginning to wonder whether your question has anything
to do with Linux, and not just a question about how to install
Windows.
Is the problem that your machine's BIOS doesn't know how to boot
from a CD-ROM? If so, then may I suggest you use Smart Boot Manager?
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Smart_Boot_Manager
I've used it for years, and find it quite adequate for my needs.
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Re: Setup a Floppy in Fedora 13
On 05/28/2010 04:20 PM, Mike McCarty wrote: > Jim wrote: > >> How do you setup a floppy in FC 13 fstab. >> >> I can boot off of a dos disk at startup, but I have a floppy that was >> formatted by WinXP Pro and it won't boot up or mount -t ntfs-3g >> /dev/floppy /mnt/floppy , ntfs-3g is installed. >> >> I assumed it is a ntfs type file system . >> > I suspect you are wrong, and it's FAT12. > > >> I want to dual boot WinXP pro with Fedora 13 and I don't have a boot >> WinXP CD. >> > How do you plan to install WinXP? > > Mike > I'm trying to use a boot floppy to get me to d: so I can run "Setup" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Setup a Floppy in Fedora 13
Jim wrote:
> How do you setup a floppy in FC 13 fstab.
>
> I can boot off of a dos disk at startup, but I have a floppy that was
> formatted by WinXP Pro and it won't boot up or mount -t ntfs-3g
> /dev/floppy /mnt/floppy , ntfs-3g is installed.
>
> I assumed it is a ntfs type file system .
I suspect you are wrong, and it's FAT12.
> I want to dual boot WinXP pro with Fedora 13 and I don't have a boot
> WinXP CD.
How do you plan to install WinXP?
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Re: Setup a Floppy in Fedora 13
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Jim wrote: > > I assumed it is a ntfs type file system . > > I believe XP usually formats floppy drives as FAT, not NTFS. -- KR, Mike -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Setup a Floppy in Fedora 13
How do you setup a floppy in FC 13 fstab. I can boot off of a dos disk at startup, but I have a floppy that was formatted by WinXP Pro and it won't boot up or mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/floppy /mnt/floppy , ntfs-3g is installed. I assumed it is a ntfs type file system . I want to dual boot WinXP pro with Fedora 13 and I don't have a boot WinXP CD. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Floppy problem temporarelly solved
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 06:29:53 -0500, vinny wrote: > Hello, > I for while trying to get the floppy drive to work, then today I found a > suggestion in one of bugzilla to use the "modprobe floppy" command to > get the floppy to appear in the computer, that worked, but still could > not access the floppy but now aloud me to mount floppy by entering the > fallowing commands: > #mkdir /media/floppy > #mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy The above is being tracked in bugs: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=567533 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514329 > Now the floppy Icon appeared in the desktop, it works fine, the floppy > Icon under the computer, however, still does not work. > I hop that some expert will understand better what is going on and be > able to fix. This work around is only temporary it appear that must be > repeated on every reboot. This seems closer to the following bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537741 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Floppy problem temporarelly solved
Hello, I for while trying to get the floppy drive to work, then today I found a suggestion in one of bugzilla to use the "modprobe floppy" command to get the floppy to appear in the computer, that worked, but still could not access the floppy but now aloud me to mount floppy by entering the fallowing commands: #mkdir /media/floppy #mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy Now the floppy Icon appeared in the desktop, it works fine, the floppy Icon under the computer, however, still does not work. I hop that some expert will understand better what is going on and be able to fix. This work around is only temporary it appear that must be repeated on every reboot. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 20:17:36 -0800, > Paul Allen Newell wrote: > >> Bruno: >> >> Thanks for the reply. Let me/us know what the bug ID is of what you end >> of submitting as I have this feeling it will all end up be related and a >> fix in one will impact the other. >> > > I created bug 567533 for the no /dev/fd0 after boot part of this problem. > > Thank you for the info Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 20:17:36 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Bruno: > > Thanks for the reply. Let me/us know what the bug ID is of what you end > of submitting as I have this feeling it will all end up be related and a > fix in one will impact the other. I created bug 567533 for the no /dev/fd0 after boot part of this problem. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
On Monday 22 February 2010, Aaron Konstam wrote: >On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 20:36 +, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But >> it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I >> create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as >> required? >> >> JB > >I would suggest changing to pen drives. They are potentially much larger >than floppies in capacity and most machines have extra places to insert >them. I take it you are referring to modern machines? This one was new in '81, I think. Maybe '82.? >OT - If anyone is intrigued by the Windows 7 with Touch Screen and Web >Cam capabilities here is a tip. You need 5 usb ports for the various >gadgets, and my Dell came with 4 on the back of the machine. Inserting a >usb hub caused the machine to crash. Obviously, they didn't invent it, so of course it was crippled by M$, they never miss the chance to force an 'upgrade'. To linux of course. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Only someone with nothing to be sorry for smiles back at the rear of an elephant. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
On 02/22/2010 03:25 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 20:36 +, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But >> it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I >> create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required? >> >> JB >> > > I would suggest changing to pen drives. They are potentially much larger > than floppies in capacity and most machines have extra places to insert > them. > > OT - If anyone is intrigued by the Windows 7 with Touch Screen and Web > Cam capabilities here is a tip. You need 5 usb ports for the various > gadgets, and my Dell came with 4 on the back of the machine. Inserting a > usb hub caused the machine to crash. > -- > === > All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. > === > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net > Just this very day I have successfully set up 2 pendrives to boot GRUB and all the explanations I could find made the process appear harder than it actually is/was. To be honest, it was easier than floppies. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 20:36 +, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But > it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I > create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required? > > JB > I would suggest changing to pen drives. They are potentially much larger than floppies in capacity and most machines have extra places to insert them. OT - If anyone is intrigued by the Windows 7 with Touch Screen and Web Cam capabilities here is a tip. You need 5 usb ports for the various gadgets, and my Dell came with 4 on the back of the machine. Inserting a usb hub caused the machine to crash. -- === All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 14:45:59 -0800, > Paul Allen Newell wrote: > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537741 >> > > I am already cc'd on that one. Though I suspect my issue is a udev > one, not a nautilus one. > > P.S. I did get the wx8000s flashed, though the latest bios still didn't > support booting from USB drives. I used a floppy to do it, though in > the future I would probably take a look at using flashrom to do bios > flashing. > > Bruno: Thanks for the reply. Let me/us know what the bug ID is of what you end of submitting as I have this feeling it will all end up be related and a fix in one will impact the other. I haven't flashed my wx8000 nor moved it from F9 as it works quite nicely and don't want to mess. Not to mention I really don't want to deal with what happens if I make a mistake in flashing. The bug was submitted against x4000 which no longer have BIOS updates and I know they are at the latest. Plus, I have to admit a floppy drive is only a convenience for me, not a mandatory. Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
On Sunday 21 February 2010, Sam Sharpe wrote: >On 21 February 2010 22:23, Ralph Blach wrote: >> I used an 8 inch floppy a long time ago > >*must* *resist* *smutty* *jokes* > >-- >Sam > Probably just as well Sam, but I'm still using 5.25" drives almost daily here. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Better late than never. -- Titus Livius (Livy) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 14:45:59 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537741 I am already cc'd on that one. Though I suspect my issue is a udev one, not a nautilus one. P.S. I did get the wx8000s flashed, though the latest bios still didn't support booting from USB drives. I used a floppy to do it, though in the future I would probably take a look at using flashrom to do bios flashing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 20:36:09 +, > "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" wrote: > >> I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But >> it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I >> create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required? >> > > I haven't gotten around to filing a bug about this since I wasn't sure > if it was intentional or not, but you can use: > modprobe floppy > to create /dev/fd0 and be able to use your floppy drive. > I filed one awhile back, don't know if it fits your issue. Before filing I did check to see the /dev/fd0 and/or the link to /dev/floppy existed. I haven't again tested recently above and beyond confirming that it wasn't working under f12 (the bug was filed under f11) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537741 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
On 21 February 2010 22:23, Ralph Blach wrote: > I used an 8 inch floppy a long time ago *must* *resist* *smutty* *jokes* -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 17:23:32 -0500, Ralph Blach wrote: > What is a floppy drive??? > > Well seriously, I think their are better options now. I use a couple of laptops every summer that the easy ways to share data with my other computers is with floppies. For backing them up where I use them (in case someone mistakes them for computers that have value to normal people), floppies are again the most conventient thing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
What is a floppy drive??? Well seriously, I think their are better options now. I used an 8 inch floppy a long time ago Chip n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > > I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But > it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I > create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required? > > JB > -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What happened to floppy drive support?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 20:36:09 +, "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" wrote: > > I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But > it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I > create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required? I haven't gotten around to filing a bug about this since I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not, but you can use: modprobe floppy to create /dev/fd0 and be able to use your floppy drive. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
What happened to floppy drive support?
I've been using a floppy boot disk as reserve if my HD boot fails, But it appears floppy support as now been removed. Why? Then how can I create an emergency media that is flexible enough to be updated as required? JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
