Re: looking for a list of *useful*, git-related fedora RPM packages
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > yes, i realize there are a *ton* of additional packages, but > students are regularly asking me how to do things that aren't > immediately supported in git, Not sure I can can help you here, but could you tell me what students are doing that isn't supported in git? I'm a daily user, but in a pretty routine push/pull/commit/checkout way, apparently... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
looking for a list of *useful*, git-related fedora RPM packages
kind of a wide-open question, but i'm updating both an intro and advanced git course, and as i teach them both on fedora, i'm interested in which of the large number of *additional* git-related fedora packages people find useful on a regular basis. yes, i realize there are a *ton* of additional packages, but students are regularly asking me how to do things that aren't immediately supported in git, so i decided to throw together a short list of what they would do well to install along with the standard git/git-core stuff. ideally, i'd like pointers to packages that allow git users to do *additional* things but still in a git-friendly way, and not packages that require people to drastically rethink their workflow so that it starts to deviate from the normal way one uses git (if that makes any sense). thoughts? lines are open, i'll collect the best suggestions and add it to a wiki page. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 14 Kmess 2.0.6 RPM Packages (i686 & x86_64) :P
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Manuel Escudero wrote: > Hope these things help the official Maintainer... > Open a bug report and post these packages there. There is no guarantee he/she will be able to see it here. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 14 Kmess 2.0.6 RPM Packages (i686 & x86_64) :P
2011/3/16 Ryan Rix > Uhm, > > KMess is already in our repos, please don't encourage users to install > random rpms like this. > > What usually happens when someone wants an update like this is that they > ask > the maintainer (cc'd) to update the package, and not provide some random > rpm of questionable quality to the users and developers list. Heck, you > could even ask SMP if he needed a comaintainer for his package, and release > a properly integrated and supported release. > > Best. > Ryan "This is how we do opensauce properly" Rix > > On Wed 16 March 2011 03:24:16 Manuel Escudero wrote: > > I bring to you 32 & 64 bits RPM packages for Kmess 2.0.6.1-0 to install > on > > your F14 Systems!!! > > > > I've just finished building and testing them, you can download the > packages > > from here: > > > > 32 Bits Systems: http://goo.gl/Us6pt > > > > 64 Bits Systems: http://goo.gl/eNrgh > > > > P.S. I also have the "debuginfo" packages and the "src.rpm" ones, if you > > need them just contact me > > > > Thanks! > -- > Ryan Rix > == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ == > == http://rix.si/page/contact/ if you need a word == > Anyway, I'll also send to you the "src.rpm" files, the "debuginfo" packages and "kmess.spec" file I used: "src.rpm": 32 Bit: http://goo.gl/mdQEC 64 Bit: http://goo.gl/u01mq "debuginfo" packages: 32 Bit: http://goo.gl/NOCPO 64 Bit: http://goo.gl/KEP1y spec file: "kmess.spec": http://goo.gl/cbLyT Hope these things help the official Maintainer... Have a Nice day! -- <-Manuel Escudero-> Linux User #509052 @GWave: jmlev...@googlewave.com @Blogger: http://www.blogxenode.tk/ (Xenode Systems Blog) PGP/GnuPG: DAE3 82E9 D68E 7AE4 ED31 1F8F 4AF4 D00C 50E7 ABC6 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora 14 Kmess 2.0.6 RPM Packages (i686 & x86_64) :P
I bring to you 32 & 64 bits RPM packages for Kmess 2.0.6.1-0 to install on your F14 Systems!!! I've just finished building and testing them, you can download the packages from here: 32 Bits Systems: http://goo.gl/Us6pt 64 Bits Systems: http://goo.gl/eNrgh P.S. I also have the "debuginfo" packages and the "src.rpm" ones, if you need them just contact me Thanks! -- <-Manuel Escudero-> Linux User #509052 @GWave: jmlev...@googlewave.com @Blogger: http://www.blogxenode.tk/ (Xenode Systems Blog) PGP/GnuPG: DAE3 82E9 D68E 7AE4 ED31 1F8F 4AF4 D00C 50E7 ABC6 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: deltarpm with old RPM packages
On 01/31/2011 12:44 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 11:04 -0600, Paul B Schroeder wrote: >> >> On 01/30/2011 02:35 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: >>> On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 12:21 -0600, Paul B Schroeder wrote: >>>> Hello all.. >>>> >>>> We have some RPM packages which have been built on a system with RPM >>>> version 4.4.2.3 and are being installed on F14 based systems with >>>> 4.8.1.. We are creating the delta RPM packages on the F14 system with >>>> makedeltarpm 3.6. >>>> >>>> So package foo version 1 installs on the F14 systems just fine. But >>>> when running applydeltarpm with the drpm created against foo version 2, >>>> we get "md5 mismatch of result" errors. >>>> >>>> I'm guessing this is an issue with the fact that the RPM packages are >>>> being built with an older version of RPM? If that's the case, is there >>>> any way around this problem? >>> >>> Can you please provide a sample drpm, original rpm and target rpm >> Sure can.. Here they are: http://www.haywired.net/vbridges/ >> >>> (please put them on the web somewhere and provide links)? What OS is >>> the system that you're using to build the RPMS? >> They are being built on Ubuntu 9.04.. >> >> Thanks for taking a look..Paul... > > Ok, Just to explain what happens here. > > User has foo-1.0.rpm > User downloads foo-1.0-1.1.drpm > When the user applies foo-1.0-1.1.drpm to foo-1.0.rpm, applydeltrpm > uncompressed foo-1.0, applies the deltarpm, and then recompresses the > new payload into a byte-for-byte copy of the original foo-1.1.rpm. > > The problem you're running into is that the recompressed rpm doesn't > match original rpm because whatever compression format you're using has > changed slightly between Ubuntu 9.04 and Fedora 14. We ran into the > same problem when we changed some of the xz settings when Fedora 13 was > in development, which meant we had to throw away all of our old > deltarpms. > > In your case, deltarpms will only work as long as the original rpms are > generated on a similar enough system to the target to guarantee that the > compression format (xz, gzip, bzip2) hasn't changed. Ah.. Okay.. That's the clue I needed. I see what's going on now. By default they were being built with gzip compression. On the Ubuntu system, it has gzip 1.3.12. On the target F14 systems, we have gzip 1.4. So I looked further and saw that rpmlib on the Ubuntu system is built with bzip2 support and it has bzip2 1.0.5 installed. The target F14 systems have 1.0.6. No problem there... Awesome! So I simply changed the compression format to bzip2 by adding '--define "_binary_payload w9.bzdio"' to the rpmbuild command line. And.. Wahla! Works like a charm now! > > For Fedora, we are currently using RHEL 5.5 builders with an updated > version of rpm and xz-libs to make sure this stays true. > > I don't blame you for wanting to stick with deltarpms, though. A 40kb > deltarpm is quite impressive when compared with a 15mb download. :) Yes.. This makes a big difference. Thanks again for the info! Cheers...Paul.. -- --- Paul B Schroeder -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: deltarpm with old RPM packages
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 11:04 -0600, Paul B Schroeder wrote: > > On 01/30/2011 02:35 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 12:21 -0600, Paul B Schroeder wrote: > >> Hello all.. > >> > >> We have some RPM packages which have been built on a system with RPM > >> version 4.4.2.3 and are being installed on F14 based systems with > >> 4.8.1.. We are creating the delta RPM packages on the F14 system with > >> makedeltarpm 3.6. > >> > >> So package foo version 1 installs on the F14 systems just fine. But > >> when running applydeltarpm with the drpm created against foo version 2, > >> we get "md5 mismatch of result" errors. > >> > >> I'm guessing this is an issue with the fact that the RPM packages are > >> being built with an older version of RPM? If that's the case, is there > >> any way around this problem? > > > > Can you please provide a sample drpm, original rpm and target rpm > Sure can.. Here they are: http://www.haywired.net/vbridges/ > > > (please put them on the web somewhere and provide links)? What OS is > > the system that you're using to build the RPMS? > They are being built on Ubuntu 9.04.. > > Thanks for taking a look..Paul... Ok, Just to explain what happens here. User has foo-1.0.rpm User downloads foo-1.0-1.1.drpm When the user applies foo-1.0-1.1.drpm to foo-1.0.rpm, applydeltrpm uncompressed foo-1.0, applies the deltarpm, and then recompresses the new payload into a byte-for-byte copy of the original foo-1.1.rpm. The problem you're running into is that the recompressed rpm doesn't match original rpm because whatever compression format you're using has changed slightly between Ubuntu 9.04 and Fedora 14. We ran into the same problem when we changed some of the xz settings when Fedora 13 was in development, which meant we had to throw away all of our old deltarpms. In your case, deltarpms will only work as long as the original rpms are generated on a similar enough system to the target to guarantee that the compression format (xz, gzip, bzip2) hasn't changed. For Fedora, we are currently using RHEL 5.5 builders with an updated version of rpm and xz-libs to make sure this stays true. I don't blame you for wanting to stick with deltarpms, though. A 40kb deltarpm is quite impressive when compared with a 15mb download. :) Jonathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: deltarpm with old RPM packages
On 01/30/2011 02:35 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 12:21 -0600, Paul B Schroeder wrote: >> Hello all.. >> >> We have some RPM packages which have been built on a system with RPM >> version 4.4.2.3 and are being installed on F14 based systems with >> 4.8.1.. We are creating the delta RPM packages on the F14 system with >> makedeltarpm 3.6. >> >> So package foo version 1 installs on the F14 systems just fine. But >> when running applydeltarpm with the drpm created against foo version 2, >> we get "md5 mismatch of result" errors. >> >> I'm guessing this is an issue with the fact that the RPM packages are >> being built with an older version of RPM? If that's the case, is there >> any way around this problem? > > Can you please provide a sample drpm, original rpm and target rpm Sure can.. Here they are: http://www.haywired.net/vbridges/ > (please put them on the web somewhere and provide links)? What OS is > the system that you're using to build the RPMS? They are being built on Ubuntu 9.04.. Thanks for taking a look..Paul... -- --- Paul B Schroeder -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: deltarpm with old RPM packages
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 12:21 -0600, Paul B Schroeder wrote: > Hello all.. > > We have some RPM packages which have been built on a system with RPM > version 4.4.2.3 and are being installed on F14 based systems with > 4.8.1.. We are creating the delta RPM packages on the F14 system with > makedeltarpm 3.6. > > So package foo version 1 installs on the F14 systems just fine. But > when running applydeltarpm with the drpm created against foo version 2, > we get "md5 mismatch of result" errors. > > I'm guessing this is an issue with the fact that the RPM packages are > being built with an older version of RPM? If that's the case, is there > any way around this problem? Can you please provide a sample drpm, original rpm and target rpm (please put them on the web somewhere and provide links)? What OS is the system that you're using to build the RPMS? Jonathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
deltarpm with old RPM packages
Hello all.. We have some RPM packages which have been built on a system with RPM version 4.4.2.3 and are being installed on F14 based systems with 4.8.1.. We are creating the delta RPM packages on the F14 system with makedeltarpm 3.6. So package foo version 1 installs on the F14 systems just fine. But when running applydeltarpm with the drpm created against foo version 2, we get "md5 mismatch of result" errors. I'm guessing this is an issue with the fact that the RPM packages are being built with an older version of RPM? If that's the case, is there any way around this problem? Thanks in advance...Paul... -- --- Paul B Schroeder -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Appropriate values for gitversion, gitdate when building RPM packages
On Friday 05 November 2010 08:32 PM, Nick Urbanik wrote: > On 05/11/10 20:00 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: >> On 5 November 2010 18:53, Nick Urbanik wrote: >>> How do you determine the appropriate gitversion and gitdate values >>> with the result of a git clone? >> >> git describe ? > > Thank you. What the above command does is generate a name based on the last named (tagged) commit to the latest commit in the repository. > >> Or do you mean something else? > > No, I'm a git newby. > > And gitdate is just the date of the most recent commit? In UTC? I think so, but I'm not sure. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Appropriate values for gitversion, gitdate when building RPM packages
On 05/11/10 20:00 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: >On 5 November 2010 18:53, Nick Urbanik wrote: >> How do you determine the appropriate gitversion and gitdate values >> with the result of a git clone? > >git describe ? Thank you. >Or do you mean something else? No, I'm a git newby. And gitdate is just the date of the most recent commit? In UTC? -- Nick Urbanik http://nicku.org ni...@nicku.org GPG: 7FFA CDC7 5A77 0558 DC7A 790A 16DF EC5B BB9D 2C24 ID: BB9D2C24 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Appropriate values for gitversion, gitdate when building RPM packages
On 5 November 2010 18:53, Nick Urbanik wrote: > How do you determine the appropriate gitversion and gitdate values > with the result of a git clone? git describe ? Or do you mean something else? PS: Please don't CC the old redhat address. It has been deprecated for many months now. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Appropriate values for gitversion, gitdate when building RPM packages
Dear Team, Inspired by Dave Witbrodt's success in getting free ATI drivers working with his HD 5750 described here: http://www.pubbs.net/201011/xorg/75-evergreen-accel-works-great-on-my-radeon-hd-5750.html I am building some RPM packages to make my wife and son's iMac 27-inch machines finally work with free ATI drivers too. How do you determine the appropriate gitversion and gitdate values with the result of a git clone? -- Nick Urbanik http://nicku.org ni...@nicku.org GPG: 7FFA CDC7 5A77 0558 DC7A 790A 16DF EC5B BB9D 2C24 ID: BB9D2C24 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: rpm packages
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote, at 10/11/2010 12:48 AM +9:00: > On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 15:22 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: >> On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 17:53 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Before (fedora 10), the list of the installed packages was available >>> in /var/log/rpmpkgs. >>> this directory does not exists any more. >>> Where can I get the list of installed packages ? >>> >>> Thank. >>> >> Thew simplest way is to run: >> rpm -qa > > That gives you the currently installed packages. However it doesn't give > the history of installs, updates and removals. Also, it tends to be > rather slow. I find "less /var/log/yum.log" useful in many situations > (there's also a "yum history [options]" incantation for more detail, > though that can also be slow). > > poc > As Todd said in this thread, /var/log/rpmpkgs is created during cron job defined in /etc/cron.daily/rpm, however from this change: * Thu May 14 2009 Panu Matilainen - 4.7.0-4 - split cron-job into a sub-package to avoid silly deps on core rpm (#500722) this file was moved to rpm-cron rpm. So if you want to make cron job create /var/log/rpmpkgs everyday, you want to install rpm-cron. Regards, Mamoru -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: rpm packages
On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 15:22 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 17:53 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Before (fedora 10), the list of the installed packages was available > > in /var/log/rpmpkgs. > > this directory does not exists any more. > > Where can I get the list of installed packages ? > > > > Thank. > > > Thew simplest way is to run: > rpm -qa That gives you the currently installed packages. However it doesn't give the history of installs, updates and removals. Also, it tends to be rather slow. I find "less /var/log/yum.log" useful in many situations (there's also a "yum history [options]" incantation for more detail, though that can also be slow). poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: rpm packages
On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 17:53 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > Before (fedora 10), the list of the installed packages was available > in /var/log/rpmpkgs. > this directory does not exists any more. > Where can I get the list of installed packages ? > > Thank. > Thew simplest way is to run: rpm -qa -- === The difficult we do today; the impossible takes a little longer. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: rpm packages
On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 17:53 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > Before (fedora 10), the list of the installed packages was available > in /var/log/rpmpkgs. > this directory does not exists any more. > Where can I get the list of installed packages ? > > Thank. > > -- > --- > == > Patrick DUPRÉ | | > Department of Chemistry| | Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 > The University of York | | Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 > Heslington | | > York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | | email: patrick.du...@york.ac.uk > == Patrick: A list of installed, updated and removed packages is here: /var/log/yum.log HTH, Germán. -- Germán A. Racca National Institute for Space Research (INPE) São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil http://skytux.fedorapeople.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: rpm packages
Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Before (fedora 10), the list of the installed packages was available
> in /var/log/rpmpkgs. this directory does not exists any more.
The /var/log/rpmpkgs file was created via a daily cron job. In order
to drop the dependency on cron, it was split out of the base rpm
package into rpm-cron.
> Where can I get the list of installed packages ?
If you want to have /var/log/rpmpkgs, install rpm-cron. If you just
want the current list of installed packages, use rpm -qa. The exact
command that the cron job runs is:
/bin/rpm -qa --qf '%{name}-%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}.rpm\n' 2>&1 \
| /bin/sort
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Re: rpm packages
On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 17:53 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Where can I get the list of installed packages ? rpm -qa -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
rpm packages
Hello, Before (fedora 10), the list of the installed packages was available in /var/log/rpmpkgs. this directory does not exists any more. Where can I get the list of installed packages ? Thank. -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| | Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | | Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | | email: patrick.du...@york.ac.uk ==-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> > sounds good. > tho i would think SA-Fedora12 would be more appropriate. > do not forget that there is DSL, Damn Small Linux. > Thanks, yeah, you are right. let me talk about this with my team-mate (SA-Fedora12). Thanks for remind me about DSL, but we have two different point of view, DSL=Minimal size but SA=Minimum Package. Thanks for your support ;) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand wrote: > By now, system can come up with just 95 packages and it seems that > to reduce "Basic FC12" to "Minimal FC12" which we named it "SA-Linux" > ;) sounds good. tho i would think SA-Fedora12 would be more appropriate. do not forget that there is DSL, Damn Small Linux. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> i elected to wait a little while so i could ask following questions. :) > > how many are you down to now? > > when are you going to post a link to a list? Dear geleem, By now, system can coming up with just 95 packages and it seems that nothing can be reduced any more. but I must prove that (95 is the minimal) and then I will publish the 95-package list + a simple script to reduce "Basic FC12" to "Minimal FC12" which we named it "SA-Linux" ;) Regards. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand wrote: > Thank you very much for your help, I will read them ASAP. welcome very much. i elected to wait a little while so i could ask following questions. :) > P.S: after removign many packages, now, my current "minimal fedora", > has less than 100 packages! ;) how many are you down to now? when are you going to post a link to a list? -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> Fedora is not a minimalist distro. Therefore, you are looking at the > wrong things. > > If you examine embedded systems, you won't find very many Fedora based > verses, say debian. > > Cisco makes home market routers that have 8MB ROM to store the OS. Try > that with Fedora sometime. :) > > Much of the work of getting Linux on smart-phones, such as Android, is > getting it to run in tight spaces. > > The purpose of Fedora is stated on the Fedora pages very succinctly. It > is NOT for embedded systems, but has two priorities, in this order: > > 1. Server class systems > 2. Desktop class systems. > > Having said all of that, I myself have made embedded systems with a > Fedora base. > > If you allow 256MB RAM (or more), and 512MB swap, rpm database, yum > intact (for updates) and most generic utilities (not busybox), you will > end up with close to 400 rpms, and require nearly 2GB of disk space to > accommodate OS, swap, and have room for some data. Since my > requirements at the time were to run it on a 2GB compact flash card, > that worked perfectly. > > If you trim it below that, its no longer really Fedora. It becomes a > custom distro, based upon Fedora, that you have spent a lot of time to > build! :) > > There are a lot of those, by the way. Moblin, and now Moblin + Maemo == > MeeGo, started life as Fedora, but you wouldn't recognize it now! > > Good Luck! Hi phil, We can assume that, this is just another linux distro (as you said) like other thousands linux distros which were released till now. BTW, Thank you for this valuable information. and Good Luck ;) Siavash -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On 07/14/2010 03:51 AM, siavash ghiasvand wrote: > Dear All, > > For some reasons I want to know what are "Minimum Required RPM > Packages" for installing fedora on a PC. > At installation time, we can remove all optional packages and after > removing them Fedora will install with nearly 200 packages! But, many > of these packages are not necessary, for example OpenSSH, WireLess, > etc. > ... snip ... Fedora is not a minimalist distro. Therefore, you are looking at the wrong things. If you examine embedded systems, you won't find very many Fedora based verses, say debian. Cisco makes home market routers that have 8MB ROM to store the OS. Try that with Fedora sometime. :) Much of the work of getting Linux on smart-phones, such as Android, is getting it to run in tight spaces. The purpose of Fedora is stated on the Fedora pages very succinctly. It is NOT for embedded systems, but has two priorities, in this order: 1. Server class systems 2. Desktop class systems. Having said all of that, I myself have made embedded systems with a Fedora base. If you allow 256MB RAM (or more), and 512MB swap, rpm database, yum intact (for updates) and most generic utilities (not busybox), you will end up with close to 400 rpms, and require nearly 2GB of disk space to accommodate OS, swap, and have room for some data. Since my requirements at the time were to run it on a 2GB compact flash card, that worked perfectly. If you trim it below that, its no longer really Fedora. It becomes a custom distro, based upon Fedora, that you have spent a lot of time to build! :) There are a lot of those, by the way. Moblin, and now Moblin + Maemo == MeeGo, started life as Fedora, but you wouldn't recognize it now! Good Luck! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> i went back to google to do another search with new parameters; > > yum rpm fedora "minimal+system" > > which found some possibles; > > a list removables; [yes, it is fc5, but list might catch any you have missed] > http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/Fedora5MinimalInstall071 > > > a kickstart file; > > http://blog.vodkamelone.de/archives/151-Red-Hat-Enterprise-LinuxCentOS-5-minimal-installation.html > > > at experts-exchange.com, there is; > > What packages can i remove for a minimal system? > http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Q_23022039.html > where you can see answer to by joining with a 30 day free trial. > > > to your comment about 'modules' and 'kernel', if you wish/need to reduce > kernel, consider that if you build your 'minimal' system at same level or > your 'full' operating system, you can use latter to build your kernel and > copy it to your 'minimal' to reduce memory usage. > > anyway, much luck. Dear Geleem, Thank you very much for your help, I will read them ASAP. P.S: after removign many packages, now, my current "minimal fedora", has less than 100 packages! ;) Regards, Siavash -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand wrote: > For sure I've googled it carefully before sending this email. ok. but still not a final intent for use. which makes your request more intriguing. after re-reading your post, being that you have eliminated obvious types of server and still not mentioning final intent, it is starting to sound like you are/may be, working on a class project. +++ }> For some reasons I want to know }> which are not essential for me! }> I'm not even need mail server, firewall, ... . +++ i went back to google to do another search with new parameters; yum rpm fedora "minimal+system" which found some possibles; a list removables; [yes, it is fc5, but list might catch any you have missed] http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/Fedora5MinimalInstall071 a kickstart file; http://blog.vodkamelone.de/archives/151-Red-Hat-Enterprise-LinuxCentOS-5-minimal-installation.html at experts-exchange.com, there is; What packages can i remove for a minimal system? http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Q_23022039.html where you can see answer to by joining with a 30 day free trial. to your comment about 'modules' and 'kernel', if you wish/need to reduce kernel, consider that if you build your 'minimal' system at same level or your 'full' operating system, you can use latter to build your kernel and copy it to your 'minimal' to reduce memory usage. anyway, much luck. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> rpmreaper is a nice little ripper & stripper I use for this > > ..dex Thank you Dexter, I read the overview it would be nice. Till now I used a lot of shell scripting to do some recursive dependency removing. But it would be more easier now, with this little app. Thanks ;) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On 15 July 2010 10:08, siavash ghiasvand wrote: >> As I said, to determine your own minimum, start with a base install and >> work down from there. Look at requires/depends with rpm, and run "yum >> remove foo" (and answer "n" if you don't like what is going to be >> removed). > rpmreaper is a nice little ripper & stripper I use for this ..dex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> I have a headless machine that serves as a router, a web and mail server, > and a firewall. I stripped it down as much as possible, while still leaving > a usable system that can be upgraded normally. > > Right now, there are 458 rpm packages on it. > > There are no development tools of any kind there, no X, no Gnome. Well, > almost no X, some X stuff gets pulled in because of apcupsd-cgi -- there's a > UPS attached to it. Dropping that will probably bring the total count to > about 430, or so packages. > > By comparison, my desktops are somewhere north of 1100 packages. Dear Sam, Thanks for your time, actually I reduced the number of packages to less than 130 cause I'm not even need mail server, firewall, ... . > As I said, to determine your own minimum, start with a base install and > work down from there. Look at requires/depends with rpm, and run "yum > remove foo" (and answer "n" if you don't like what is going to be > removed). Dear Chris, I've followed this way and now I have a working Fedora with less than 130 packages. Now all those remained packages have many dependencies to fundamental packages but I think some of those dependencies can be ignored. Best Regards, Siavash Ghiasvand -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> While I think I understand your criteria for a package being "essential" (in > the sense that the system fails to boot if this package is not present), I am > still confused. Booting the system is a process that takes several stages. At > what point exactly do you consider that the system has finished booting? > > Do you want to get into the login screen? Graphical? Text only? > > Are you booting into runlevel 3 or maybe 1 (multiuser vs single user > environment)? > > Do you need networking/bluetooth/smart-card/other hardware support? Do you > consider that the boot process is over before or after the initrc scripts have > run? > > Do you need to run init at all? Kernel runs init automatically *after* it has > finished "booting itself". Is that good enough? > > Do you consider a successful boot anything that does not produce a kernel > panic? > > AFAIK, in order to get the kernel up and running, you don't even need to mount > any filesystems, other than the virtual initramfs thing in memory. Even some > kernel modules can be stripped. For example, you can boot without > initializing, say, sound card. Do you need that? Do you need functional USB > ports? SCSI? Mouse? Anything other than the keyboard and graphics card? You > can remove quite a big chunk of the kernel itself, while still retaining some > elementary functionality, and successfully booting the kernel. > > In terms of packages, for a complete barebones boot I would guess you need > only grub, the kernel, glibc, and their dependencies. But if you want to be > able to login after that, you will want more (init? bash?). If you want all > hardware to work, you will want even more (initrc scripts? various deamons?). > If you want multiuser environment, you need still more packages. Etc. You get > the picture. > > So maybe it would be a good idea to specify what exactly do you mean by > "system has booted successfully". That way you will avoid a lot of confusion > in getting answers, because various people have quite different opinions on > what they consider a successful boot. Some want to see at the end the > graphical login screen, which requires X and a whole other bunch of stuff... > > HTH, :-) > Marko First of all thank you for this complete answer, It sounds I need to be more specific. Ok, here we go. Consider a system which has an SCSI hard disk, 2GB of ram, a 64bit CPU, an internal IDE connected DVD-Drive, a common KeyBoard and an RBG connected monitor. just it. After getting done this project my expectation from this system is: When I start the system, Grub must be loaded and after choosing desired operating system, booting procedure will be started and all would be OK if after a "successful boot" I have a login page in runlevel 3 with a simple Bash access, a pure text-mode. So, any other internal or external devices like soundcard, printer, bluetooth, USB, etc... are not needed! (In this state please consider that the kernel is an RPM and I can't remove modules from it. so, I will and also must accept the overhead of kernel modules). With the above considerations, It clearly shows that something like Init, RC, initscripts, bash and grubby must be exist. but what a bout other packages? which of them are critical for a "successful boot" with above definition. Till now I just checked dependencies between installed packages and removed those that were stand alone (after doing this near 130 packages remained) but I think some of these dependencies can be ignored. But I can't find those unreal dependencies. Now I think that "Minimal Fedora" system is clearly defined. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On 07/14/2010 07:02 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Thursday, July 15, 2010 00:03:28 siavash ghiasvand wrote: I'm looking for a LIST of RPM packages which are sufficient to bring up a simple kernel and nothing more. I can erase files from an installed system and create a live disk from them , even I can use something like "BasicLinux" or also compiling anything from source will solve the problem But, I must bring up a PC with minimal Fedora Official RPM packages not anything else. As other friends said, now I'm working on UN-installing packages from an installed system to achieve that minimum set of packages. While I think I understand your criteria for a package being "essential" (in the sense that the system fails to boot if this package is not present), I am still confused. Booting the system is a process that takes several stages. At what point exactly do you consider that the system has finished booting? Do you want to get into the login screen? Graphical? Text only? Are you booting into runlevel 3 or maybe 1 (multiuser vs single user environment)? Do you need networking/bluetooth/smart-card/other hardware support? Do you consider that the boot process is over before or after the initrc scripts have run? Do you need to run init at all? Kernel runs init automatically *after* it has finished "booting itself". Is that good enough? Do you consider a successful boot anything that does not produce a kernel panic? AFAIK, in order to get the kernel up and running, you don't even need to mount any filesystems, other than the virtual initramfs thing in memory. Even some kernel modules can be stripped. For example, you can boot without initializing, say, sound card. Do you need that? Do you need functional USB ports? SCSI? Mouse? Anything other than the keyboard and graphics card? You can remove quite a big chunk of the kernel itself, while still retaining some elementary functionality, and successfully booting the kernel. In terms of packages, for a complete barebones boot I would guess you need only grub, the kernel, glibc, and their dependencies. But if you want to be able to login after that, you will want more (init? bash?). If you want all hardware to work, you will want even more (initrc scripts? various deamons?). If you want multiuser environment, you need still more packages. Etc. You get the picture. So maybe it would be a good idea to specify what exactly do you mean by "system has booted successfully". That way you will avoid a lot of confusion in getting answers, because various people have quite different opinions on what they consider a successful boot. Some want to see at the end the graphical login screen, which requires X and a whole other bunch of stuff... HTH, :-) Marko Well put Marko. I had asked of Siavash Ghiasvand a clarification of what he means by minimal. I never saw his stated criteria for minimal. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On Thursday, July 15, 2010 00:03:28 siavash ghiasvand wrote: > I'm looking for a LIST of RPM packages which are sufficient to > bring up a simple kernel and nothing more. > > I can erase files from an installed system and create a live disk from > them , even I can use something like "BasicLinux" or also compiling > anything from source will solve the problem But, I must bring up a PC > with minimal Fedora Official RPM packages not anything else. > > As other friends said, now I'm working on UN-installing packages from > an installed system to achieve that minimum set of packages. While I think I understand your criteria for a package being "essential" (in the sense that the system fails to boot if this package is not present), I am still confused. Booting the system is a process that takes several stages. At what point exactly do you consider that the system has finished booting? Do you want to get into the login screen? Graphical? Text only? Are you booting into runlevel 3 or maybe 1 (multiuser vs single user environment)? Do you need networking/bluetooth/smart-card/other hardware support? Do you consider that the boot process is over before or after the initrc scripts have run? Do you need to run init at all? Kernel runs init automatically *after* it has finished "booting itself". Is that good enough? Do you consider a successful boot anything that does not produce a kernel panic? AFAIK, in order to get the kernel up and running, you don't even need to mount any filesystems, other than the virtual initramfs thing in memory. Even some kernel modules can be stripped. For example, you can boot without initializing, say, sound card. Do you need that? Do you need functional USB ports? SCSI? Mouse? Anything other than the keyboard and graphics card? You can remove quite a big chunk of the kernel itself, while still retaining some elementary functionality, and successfully booting the kernel. In terms of packages, for a complete barebones boot I would guess you need only grub, the kernel, glibc, and their dependencies. But if you want to be able to login after that, you will want more (init? bash?). If you want all hardware to work, you will want even more (initrc scripts? various deamons?). If you want multiuser environment, you need still more packages. Etc. You get the picture. So maybe it would be a good idea to specify what exactly do you mean by "system has booted successfully". That way you will avoid a lot of confusion in getting answers, because various people have quite different opinions on what they consider a successful boot. Some want to see at the end the graphical login screen, which requires X and a whole other bunch of stuff... HTH, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
Once upon a time, Sam Varshavchik said: > I have a headless machine that serves as a router, a web and mail server, > and a firewall. I stripped it down as much as possible, while still leaving > a usable system that can be upgraded normally. > > Right now, there are 458 rpm packages on it. I have a pretty slimmed-down server that is a disk and PXE boot server (NFS, HTTP, TFTP), NTP server (with a GPS clock source), UPS monitor (with NUT, not apcupsd), and NNTP cache. It has 257 RPMs installed, and it uses about 1G of a 4G CF card (the OS lives on flash so the disks can spin down when idle). As I said, to determine your own minimum, start with a base install and work down from there. Look at requires/depends with rpm, and run "yum remove foo" (and answer "n" if you don't like what is going to be removed). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand writes: did you try google? i think not, else you 'would have'/'should have' mentioned doing so. so, as a guide to what you want to do, an 'google linux advanced' search of "minimal+system", with quotes and '+' sign gives 4,470 hits; g Dear g, For sure I've googled it carefully before sending this email. I saw those links and none of them did the trick which I want, Cause I'm looking for a LIST of RPM packages which are sufficient to bring up a simple kernel and nothing more. I have a headless machine that serves as a router, a web and mail server, and a firewall. I stripped it down as much as possible, while still leaving a usable system that can be upgraded normally. Right now, there are 458 rpm packages on it. There are no development tools of any kind there, no X, no Gnome. Well, almost no X, some X stuff gets pulled in because of apcupsd-cgi -- there's a UPS attached to it. Dropping that will probably bring the total count to about 430, or so packages. By comparison, my desktops are somewhere north of 1100 packages. pgpEpGuDM79VE.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> did you try google? i think not, else you 'would have'/'should have' > mentioned doing so. > so, as a guide to what you want to do, an 'google linux advanced' search of > "minimal+system", with quotes and '+' sign gives 4,470 hits; > g Dear g, For sure I've googled it carefully before sending this email. I saw those links and none of them did the trick which I want, Cause I'm looking for a LIST of RPM packages which are sufficient to bring up a simple kernel and nothing more. I can erase files from an installed system and create a live disk from them , even I can use something like "BasicLinux" or also compiling anything from source will solve the problem But, I must bring up a PC with minimal Fedora Official RPM packages not anything else. As other friends said, now I'm working on UN-installing packages from an installed system to achieve that minimum set of packages. Siavash -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand wrote: > For some reasons I want to know what are "Minimum Required RPM > Packages" for installing fedora on a PC. 'For some reasons' is very broad and allows for a maximum possible reasons. and, almost as many replies as you have received. as has been stated, you do not really give a good answer to your intent and use/need for your desire. one thing for sure, your effort to find an answer is *minimal*. did you try google? i think not, else you 'would have'/'should have' mentioned doing so. so, as a guide to what you want to do, an 'google linux advanced' search of "minimal+system", with quotes and '+' sign gives 4,470 hits; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=minimal%2Bsystem&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dlinux= a quick look thru 1st 30 gives some good pointers; http://linuxguide.sourceforge.net/linux-minimal-filesystem.html http://sites.google.com/site/4utils/articles/minimal_linux_system/minimal-linux-system-from-scratch http://minimallinux.com/ http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Q_23022039.html http://www.linux-archive.org/centos/153770-what-minimum-iso-build-server.html http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-recovery.html above, is including for server and recovery floppy disk. granted, these are not fedora, per se, but they give you a base to build a fedora system. hth. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> Okay, as I mentioned in my earlier post, for disk space requirements you > can try febootstrap. it is available in the Fedora repositories. > But this might not reduce your list of installed packages to something > as small as you are looking for. Maybe you can try the method I outlined > earlier to reduce the package list, and subsequently use this to reduce > the disk usage. Thank you very much, I will check it ASAP. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On Wednesday 14 July 2010 10:50 AM, siavash ghiasvand wrote: >> > tell us_why_ you want this "extreme minimal" install > The first reason is: "Minimal disk drive" and the second reason is: > "Prevent any future conflict" which means, on that "extreme minimal > linux" all packages can be installed without any problem (must be > guaranteed). > I'm talking about some rare, custom-build packages which may conflict > with Fedora base packages. Okay, as I mentioned in my earlier post, for disk space requirements you can try febootstrap. it is available in the Fedora repositories. > Name : febootstrap > Arch : x86_64 > Version: 2.7 > Release: 1.fc13.1 > Size : 67 k > Repo : updates > Summary: Bootstrap a new Fedora system (like debootstrap) > URL: http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/febootstrap/ > License: GPLv2+ > Description: febootstrap is a Fedora equivalent to Debian's debootstrap. You >: can use it to create a basic Fedora filesystem, and build > initramfs >: (initrd.img) or filesystem images. >: >: febootstrap also includes a separate tool to minimize filesystems >: by removing unneeded locales, documentation etc. >: >: The main difference from other appliance building tools is that >: this one doesn't need to be run as root. But this might not reduce your list of installed packages to something as small as you are looking for. Maybe you can try the method I outlined earlier to reduce the package list, and subsequently use this to reduce the disk usage. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> I use this in rhel 5 right before I list the extra packages I want > such as tar/openssh etc... Thanks Joseph. It would be helpfull. > I would make a minimal LiveCD from a kickstart file. Then boot a virtual > machine with the iso. I would then try to remove what I consider "not > required" and double check the yum output for essential deps which might > have crept in. I would then use that to further streamline my kickstart. > Then rinse and repeat until satisfied. Thanks Suvayu, good tips. > tell us _why_ you want this "extreme minimal" install The first reason is: "Minimal disk drive" and the second reason is: "Prevent any future conflict" which means, on that "extreme minimal linux" all packages can be installed without any problem (must be guaranteed). I'm talking about some rare, custom-build packages which may conflict with Fedora base packages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On Wednesday 14 July 2010 09:38 AM, siavash ghiasvand wrote: >> Everybody's list of "essential" packages is different. For example, >> ... >> remove and what is required by basic system packages). > >> There is no such description in all of fedora's documentation. >> Also, your description of "unwanted" is too vague and may well >> be ill defined. > > > Thanks chris and JD > It seams I couldn't describe my issue clearly. > > As you said, "passwd" or "less" may be or may not be essential for some users! > But, without "udev" or "device-mapper" system couldn't boot at all; > I'm looking for these packages, which are essential for a proper boot. > > Clearly: I need a minimal list of those packages which are "critical > for booting" a system and without just one of those packages booting > is impossible. (A truly minimal) > I would make a minimal LiveCD from a kickstart file. Then boot a virtual machine with the iso. I would then try to remove what I consider "not required" and double check the yum output for essential deps which might have crept in. I would then use that to further streamline my kickstart. Then rinse and repeat until satisfied. If you feel like it, you might want to tell us _why_ you want this "extreme minimal" install. There could be other solutions people can suggest. For example if you want fewer packages to reduce disk space requirements then there are efforts like febootstrap that reduce disk usage to under 50 MB. If your requirement is because you want to use it in a very specialised hardware for a very specialised application, even then people might be able to suggest better alternatives. To conclude, more complete information will be helpful. > Siavash GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
>Cause first I need to know what are those essential packages! after
>that, as you and other guys said I can use kickstart to picking up
>them.
I use this in rhel 5 right before I list the extra packages I want
such as tar/openssh etc...
%pre
#!/bin/bash
yum groupinfo base | perl -we 'my $in_mand = 0;
while (<>) { $in_mand =0 if /\s+default packages/i;
print if $in_mand;
$in_mand = 1 if /\s+mandatory packages/i;
}' > /tmp/package_base_mandatory
%end
%packages --nobase
@ Core
%include /tmp/package_base_mandatory
dhclient
irqbalance
logwatch
mailx
microcode_ctl
net-snmp
net-snmp-utils
net-snmp-devel
nfs-utils
ntp
openssh-clients
openssh-server
postfix
readahead
screen
tar
vim-common
vim-enhanced
yum
yum-priorities
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Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> Everybody's list of "essential" packages is different. For example, > ... > remove and what is required by basic system packages). > There is no such description in all of fedora's documentation. > Also, your description of "unwanted" is too vague and may well > be ill defined. Thanks chris and JD It seams I couldn't describe my issue clearly. As you said, "passwd" or "less" may be or may not be essential for some users! But, without "udev" or "device-mapper" system couldn't boot at all; I'm looking for these packages, which are essential for a proper boot. Clearly: I need a minimal list of those packages which are "critical for booting" a system and without just one of those packages booting is impossible. (A truly minimal) Siavash -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On 07/14/2010 02:51 AM, siavash ghiasvand wrote: > Dear All, > > For some reasons I want to know what are "Minimum Required RPM > Packages" for installing fedora on a PC. > At installation time, we can remove all optional packages and after > removing them Fedora will install with nearly 200 packages! But, many > of these packages are not necessary, for example OpenSSH, WireLess, > etc. > > Then, when I tried to remove those unwanted packages after > installation, many many dependencies appeared. > > So, I have two questions: > 1- What are Minimum Required RPM Packages for installing Fedora? (just > booting up the system with kernel and then, a simple command line > access) > 2- How can I reach this minimal system? (As I described above those > dependencies make it impossible to remove unwanted packages after > installation and also there is no option to remove unwanted packages > before installation) > > Sincerely yours, > Siavash Ghiasvand There is no such description in all of fedora's documentation. Also, your description of "unwanted" is too vague and may well be ill defined. For examle "ls", which is part of the core tools, is not necessary for the kernel to boot and run - but without it, you are pretty much crippled. Ditto with ps. So you need to dig deeper into understanding what you mean by the most basic set of packages. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
Once upon a time, siavash ghiasvand said: > Each package which is NOT essential for booting the system. > Some of those important but not essential packages are: > - passwd > - openssh > - sudo > - dirmngr > - file > and many more... Everybody's list of "essential" packages is different. For example, most people would have "passwd" on their list, since without it, you can't set a password for logging in. You may be using network logins, even for root, so you might put NIS or LDAP client packages on your "essential" list instead, but most do not (or don't for all users), so they'd want "passwd" (and may not want NIS/LDAP support as "essential"). Some things are installed because they are dependencies. For example, even though you may never use "awk" yourself, the standard init scripts use and require it, so you can't remove it. If you don't like the core packages in the Fedora list, you'll have to decide on your own what you consider "essential"; nobody can make that decision for you. You can go through the list of installed packages and use rpm and yum to see what the dependencies are (to see what you can remove and what is required by basic system packages). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On 07/14/2010 08:30 PM, siavash ghiasvand wrote: >> You didn't answer why you can't use kickstart and pick your own set of >> packages? >> >> Rahul >> > Cause first I need to know what are those essential packages! after > that, as you and other guys said I can use kickstart to picking up > them. > You pick what you want in that list and remove those you don't want. There is no agreed upon list that applies to everybody. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> Hi, > I have found a project called JeOS = "Just enough Operating System" > that deals with similar issues. > http://orangejeos.sourceforge.net/ > JB Thank you very much, I read that project description and it looks similar to mine. but for further reply I must spend some time there. Siavash -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> You didn't answer why you can't use kickstart and pick your own set of > packages? > > Rahul Cause first I need to know what are those essential packages! after that, as you and other guys said I can use kickstart to picking up them. BTW, thanks for your attention And if you have any idea about those essential packages please let me know. thanks. Siavash -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand gmail.com> writes: > 1- What are Minimum Required RPM Packages for installing Fedora? (just > booting up the system with kernel and then, a simple command line > access) > 2- How can I reach this minimal system? (As I described above those > dependencies make it impossible to remove unwanted packages after > installation and also there is no option to remove unwanted packages > before installation) > Hi, I have found a project called JeOS = "Just enough Operating System" that deals with similar issues. http://orangejeos.sourceforge.net/ It has an informative site. After that you can download oj-builder-1.8.7-11.noarch.rpm which, when installed, lets you take a look at their kickstart files. I hope it will be useful. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On 07/14/2010 08:18 PM, siavash ghiasvand wrote: >> Be specific. Which packages? Why can't you use kickstart? >> >> Rahul >> > Each package which is NOT essential for booting the system. > Some of those important but not essential packages are: > - passwd > - openssh > - sudo > - dirmngr > - file > and many more... > > These packages are very important but they are not essential! I mean > the linux kernel can booting up without them. > So, I need the minimum (Read it: Just essential) packages which must > have to bring up a Fedora system > You didn't answer why you can't use kickstart and pick your own set of packages? Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
> Be specific. Which packages? Why can't you use kickstart? > > Rahul Each package which is NOT essential for booting the system. Some of those important but not essential packages are: - passwd - openssh - sudo - dirmngr - file and many more... These packages are very important but they are not essential! I mean the linux kernel can booting up without them. So, I need the minimum (Read it: Just essential) packages which must have to bring up a Fedora system. Sincerely yours, Siavash Ghiasvand -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
On 07/14/2010 05:32 PM, siavash ghiasvand wrote: > Dear JB > > >> have you looked into >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo >> Why not create that barebone live cd and see what good, bad, and ugly went >> into >> it ? >> > Thanks, I will take a look at it now, may be it could help me. > But you know, the problem is Official Fedora Release assumes some > packages as "Essential Packages" which are not essential for me! > Look at this: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MinimalPlatform/PackageList > Be specific. Which packages? Why can't you use kickstart? Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
Dear JB > have you looked into > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo > Why not create that barebone live cd and see what good, bad, and ugly went > into > it ? Thanks, I will take a look at it now, may be it could help me. But you know, the problem is Official Fedora Release assumes some packages as "Essential Packages" which are not essential for me! Look at this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MinimalPlatform/PackageList Any other suggestions will be greatly appreciated. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand gmail.com> writes: > > 1- What are Minimum Required RPM Packages for installing Fedora? (just > booting up the system with kernel and then, a simple command line > access) Hi, have you looked into http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo paragraph Live image Configuration Files livecd-fedora-minimal.ks The base live image system (included in the 'livecd-tools' package) yum install livecd-tools rpm -ql livecd-tools cat /usr/share/doc/livecd-tools-031/livecd-fedora-minimal.ks paragraph Example: A Barebones Live CD Why not create that barebone live cd and see what good, bad, and ugly went into it ? JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
Dear Chris > Did you try a kickstart install with '%packages --nobase'? This gets you > 189 packages (at least in rawhide). Yes, I've tried it but unfortunately many unwanted packages like "wireless" will be installed with this option. Thanks for that link, I will check it out. Dear JB > Search Google for: fedora minimal installation kickstart > The first hit > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MinimalPlatform I googled it before many times but all links (including the above one) are talking about a Minimal Fedora which has near 200 packages (As is described before this amount of packages is very much for me) Dear Chris > I thought F13 has a new "minimal" install option that gives you ~120 or so > packages installed. That feature seems to have made it into the > RHEL6 beta, too! (Very Cool, IMNSHO) Yeah, you are right about that minimal install, but with that option exactly 180 packages will be installed! but I'm sure that near hundred of them is not required packages. Sincerely yours, Siavash Ghiasvand -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
I thought F13 has a new "minimal" install option that gives you ~120 or so packages installed. That feature seems to have made it into the RHEL6 beta, too! (Very Cool, IMNSHO) -- Chris Kloiber On 07/14/2010 05:51 AM, siavash ghiasvand wrote: Dear All, For some reasons I want to know what are "Minimum Required RPM Packages" for installing fedora on a PC. At installation time, we can remove all optional packages and after removing them Fedora will install with nearly 200 packages! But, many of these packages are not necessary, for example OpenSSH, WireLess, etc. Then, when I tried to remove those unwanted packages after installation, many many dependencies appeared. So, I have two questions: 1- What are Minimum Required RPM Packages for installing Fedora? (just booting up the system with kernel and then, a simple command line access) 2- How can I reach this minimal system? (As I described above those dependencies make it impossible to remove unwanted packages after installation and also there is no option to remove unwanted packages before installation) Sincerely yours, Siavash Ghiasvand smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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siavash ghiasvand gmail.com> writes: > > Dear All, > > For some reasons I want to know what are "Minimum Required RPM > Packages" for installing fedora on a PC. Hi, Search Google for: fedora minimal installation kickstart The first hit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MinimalPlatform will give you info about the project and a contact to the owner at Red Hat. But read on Google results ... JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
Hi, On 07/14/2010 11:51 AM, siavash ghiasvand wrote: > 2- How can I reach this minimal system? (As I described above those > dependencies make it impossible to remove unwanted packages after > installation and also there is no option to remove unwanted packages > before installation) Did you try a kickstart install with '%packages --nobase'? This gets you 189 packages (at least in rawhide). I don't know (and seriously doubt) that you can go any lower without substantial efforts (if you do, let me know). But if you find obviously unnecessary dependencies, it's probably a good idea to file a bug. Maybe you also want to take a look at http://www.owlriver.com/tips/tiny-centos/ Regards, Chris -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
Dear All, For some reasons I want to know what are "Minimum Required RPM Packages" for installing fedora on a PC. At installation time, we can remove all optional packages and after removing them Fedora will install with nearly 200 packages! But, many of these packages are not necessary, for example OpenSSH, WireLess, etc. Then, when I tried to remove those unwanted packages after installation, many many dependencies appeared. So, I have two questions: 1- What are Minimum Required RPM Packages for installing Fedora? (just booting up the system with kernel and then, a simple command line access) 2- How can I reach this minimal system? (As I described above those dependencies make it impossible to remove unwanted packages after installation and also there is no option to remove unwanted packages before installation) Sincerely yours, Siavash Ghiasvand -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
